Spurs Sign Tiago Splitter to 4 year/$36 Million Deal

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs fan bitches about an average contract for a starting big while thinking that an Oden or a Baynes are viable options.

[Jordanobili2320]

Spurs fan bitches about an average contract for a starting big while thinking that an Oden or a Baynes are viable options.

this.

[Mugen]

If Kirilenko and his camp are expressing interest, its literally retarded to not amnesty Bonner

Don't forget also worrying about resigning Gary F'n Neal.

How Bonner is still being discussed as a hindrance in 2013 is beyond me tbh.

[3 Legged Dog]

He'll play limited stretches and not with the 1st or 2nd team, he'll be on the 3rd team when everyone else is looking to take shots so he won't get that many touches.

Not to belabor the point;

Timmy played in 69 games in 2012/2013 and will probably only play in 60 games this year (if there is any hope of keeping him fresh for the playoffs.

Shitter cannot play more than 24 minutes per game as he is just physically capable of doing more than that on a regular basis.

no one else on the roster, other than Baynes, can even begin to play like a post. After Timmy and Tiago we're gonna post up Bonner or Boris?

i think that after spending a few months with this team and a full Summer working with our coaches and trainers.... Baynes will take it to all of the bigs in camp. He has explosiveness, actual post moves, drive, desire and more talent than all of our "bigs", other than Timmy.

one things for sure; we're gonna find out soon enough

[TD 21]

If Kirilenko and his camp are expressing interest, its literally retarded to not amnesty Bonner

Why would they jump the gun? If they can reach an agreement with Kirilenko in principal, then they can rid themselves of Bonner and the more I think about it, the less I think it'll be via amnesty. The Hawks and Jazz, are two examples of teams with cap space (plus, it's unlikely either lands a big name) and a need for a stretch four and they're ran by former Spurs executives.

The other way to add an extra $1-1.5M in cap space, would be to trade either Mills or De Colo, to a team with the cap space to absorb their contract without sending any salary back. This especially makes sense if Neal is re-signed, since they'll have one guard too many anyway.

[EIC]

We're fucked.

[3 Legged Dog]

Spurs fan bitches about an average contract for a starting big while thinking that an Oden or a Baynes are viable options.

A couple of thoughts;

1) we just paid above average money to a below average player

2) we will all find out if Baynes is a viable talent ..... Soon enough.

[coyotes_geek]

Spurs fan bitches about an average contract for a starting big while thinking that an Oden or a Baynes are viable options.

Well if the 8 minutes Baynes played against that quitter Dwight Howard in the first round clincher isn't enough to convince you that he's a starting-caliber NBA center then I don't know what to tell you..........

[HI-FI]

Don't forget also worrying about resigning Gary F'n Neal.

How Bonner is still being discussed as a hindrance in 2013 is beyond me tbh.

I'm a fan of Bonner, think he's a good guy for the team, but in no way is he someone you can expect to win a championship as a second big. Not sure what happened there, maybe after the fourth championship we started to coast a bit in our player evaluations.

[Juggity]

You stated that Tiago Splitter "is one of the best defensive big men" and you suggest that I'm blind?

and, by the way, I would rather be blind that watch another minute of that worthless bag of shit playing for my team.

You must've just joined spur fandom in time for the 2013 finals, then. That's literally the only way you could fail to acknowledge the role that Tiago played in reversing the disastrous 2009-2011 era.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

he's still young and there's a lot of upside. He will get better - and remember that without Splitter the Spurs would have probably never gotten to the Finals. I don't think this is a bad deal, despite the huge meltdown most people are having here.

[AFBlue]

Don't hate it, don't love it. Spurs paid market price for a big who shrinks to the occasion against the primary contenders for the next several years (OKC/Miami), and who gets no respect from the refs. But, he's a solid two-way player. IF he develops a reliable mid-range shot or learns how to handle small ball pressure D, he might actually outperform the contract.

[Leetonidas]

What's kind of hilarious is the dumbfucks on RealGM laughing at us saying that Brendan Haywood or Feztus Ezeli would be the same or similar production for much cheaper :lmao

[spurraider21]

Well if 8 minutes isn't enough to convince you that Baynes is a starting-caliber NBA center then I don't know what to tell you..........

[AFBlue]

he's still young and there's a lot of upside. He will get better...

Dude has been playing professional basketball for over a decade...he's no longer young with upside. Maybe he learns to handle the blitz, but it's more likely he folds like a lawn chair. Maybe he pulls a Fab and develops a reliable J out of nowhere, but it's also possible his improvement ends at free throws.

Point is, I don't think you can count on improvement when someone has been playing as long as Tiago has...possible, but more likely he is what he's going to be at this point.

[EIC]

It's not about a lack of skill or the potential for development. It's his character. He's soft. Pau Gasol soft. Europeans are just soft, that's all there is to it. Smart, sure; but soft. Rare is the Euro who is hard-nosed and they are usually Eastern european. No amount of development is going to give him the balls a 7-foot man should have.

[TheGoldStandard]

I'm a fan of Bonner, think he's a good guy for the team, but in no way is he someone you can expect to win a championship as a second big. Not sure what happened there, maybe after the fourth championship we started to coast a bit in our player evaluations.

I think all of that had to do with a 31 year old Duncan still on the tail end of his prime.

[Sean Cagney]

What's kind of hilarious is the dumbfucks on RealGM laughing at us saying that Brendan Haywood or Feztus Ezeli would be the same or similar production for much cheaper :lmao

LMFAO :( SHIT FUCKING HELL DAMNIT FUCK THIS year man lol.

[timvp]

It's not about a lack of skill or the potential for development. It's his character. He's soft. Pau Gasol soft. Europeans are just soft, that's all there is to it. Smart, sure; but soft. Rare is the Euro who is hard-nosed and they are usually Eastern european.

What is your opinion on extreme South Western Europeans, tbh?

[EIC]

What is your opinion on extreme South Western Europeans, tbh?

:rollin

para ser honesto, no me gusta

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Tiago is worth it niggas. A good post defender (see mem & la series) and a excellent pick n roll defender (see GS series). He's also probably one of the best pick n roll bigman in the league. His weakness? rebounding and post play.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

:lol splitter isnt even european, he's from fucking south america

[EIC]

:lol splitter isnt even european, he's from fucking south america

:lol

South America is just Europe West, tbh.

Argentina = Spain West
Brazil = Portugal West

Besides, he played enough Euro-ball for the Euro to have fully infested him. He's as Euro as Euro gets.

[sexinthatsx]

I've given it a couple hours to sink in, and the more I think about it the more Tiago's signing is not that bad. We are merely judging Splitter based on his numbers this season, and it's clear that given around a solid 32-35 minutes a night he can produce pretty well. While I was at first infatuated with having a big man such as Marcin Gortat that didn't make soft hook shots, no big man on the free agency market outside of Al Jefferson has post moves compared to Splitter (yes, even Dwight). With that said, I hope Splitter takes this contract as a sign that the Spurs are going to juice every dollar out of him and make him man the fuck up and stop being so soft.

Also, us being able to amnesty Bonner to get AK-47 would be fantastic; I'd trade a player that only shoots 3's and spreads the floor with mediocre defense with one that is able to shoot from any range and plays good defense. Take a second and imagine what the Finals would have been like if we had AK-47 and the small ball lineup that Spurs could use:
Parker
Danny Green
Ginobili
Kawhi Leonard
AK-47
:wow:wow:wow

[unforeseen]

:lol splitter isnt even european, he's from fucking south america

Exactly but people associate his soft play with European players.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Dude has been playing professional basketball for over a decade...he's no longer young with upside. Maybe he learns to handle the blitz, but it's more likely he folds like a lawn chair. Maybe he pulls a Fab and develops a reliable J out of nowhere, but it's also possible his improvement ends at free throws.

Point is, I don't think you can count on improvement when someone has been playing as long as Tiago has...possible, but more likely he is what he's going to be at this point.

a 28 year old player isn't young anymore? splitter doesnt have upside? im pretty sure the front office doesn't agree with you...

[Das Texan]

Splitter got maybe half a million more than I thought he deserved based on the market itself.


Not a bad deal for the Spurs. Definitely no hometown discount, but definitely fair market value.


Many other shittier bigmen have gotten just the same or more. Tiago prolly coulda dicked over the Spurs and held out for another 2-3 mil per if he really wanted to, tbh.

[PingPong]

If Baynes were a better player than Splitter, he'd have made the NBA a long time ago and would be making a hell of a lot more than league minimum. Baynes' ceiling is sticking on an NBA roster as a garbage time player.

If he was any good, he would be playing in the Spanish league, the most competitive and perhaps best paying league in Europe. At least he'd be playing in Turkey. Not in a f*ing eastern europe shithole team for some six figure salary.

[TheGoldStandard]

I've given it a couple hours to sink in, and the more I think about it the more Tiago's signing is not that bad. We are merely judging Splitter based on his numbers this season, and it's clear that given around a solid 32-35 minutes a night he can produce pretty well. While I was at first infatuated with having a big man such as Marcin Gortat that didn't make soft hook shots, no big man on the free agency market outside of Al Jefferson has post moves compared to Splitter (yes, even Dwight). With that said, I hope Splitter takes this contract as a sign that the Spurs are going to juice every dollar out of him and make him man the fuck up and stop being so soft.

Also, us being able to amnesty Bonner to get AK-47 would be fantastic; I'd trade a player that only shoots 3's and spreads the floor with mediocre defense with one that is able to shoot from any range and plays good defense. Take a second and imagine what the Finals would have been like if we had AK-47 and the small ball lineup that Spurs could use:
Parker
Danny Green
Ginobili
Kawhi Leonard
AK-47
:wow:wow:wow

He's not playing 32 to 35 minutes. He'll average about 25 this season.

[spurraider21]

Exactly but people associate his soft play with European players.

that and he played in spain/euroleague. i mean, i don't consider steve nash a south african player

[jestersmash]

Don't hate it, don't love it. Spurs paid market price for a big who shrinks to the occasion against the primary contenders for the next several years (OKC/Miami), and who gets no respect from the refs. But, he's a solid two-way player. IF he develops a reliable mid-range shot or learns how to handle small ball pressure D, he might actually outperform the contract.

I might be imagining things but I recall seeing Tiago hoist up a mid range free throw line jumper as the shot clock was going down and he actually banked it in :lol

I agree, I think the next big frontier for Tiago to explore is that mid range jumper. His free throw shooting has improved drastically, and at least initially opposing teams will just give him that mid range J for free. For all intents and purposes it'll be like a free throw. Of course, when (if) teams start adjusting to it, that should open up things for other guys as well.

[TheGoldStandard]

I might be imagining things but I recall seeing Tiago hoist up a mid range free throw line jumper as the shot clock was going down and he actually banked it in :lol

I agree, I think the next big frontier for Tiago to explore is that mid range jumper. His free throw shooting has improved drastically, and at least initially opposing teams will just give him that mid range J for free. For all intents and purposes it'll be like a free throw. Of course, when (if) teams start adjusting to it, that should open up things for other guys as well.

I'd rather him try to learn some more post moves and to use his other hand and get stronger.. He needs to stay close and get rebounds and put backs, that's where most of his points come from anyway. The offense will not go into him, he's not that kind of player. If he does get post moves he can at least pass out of it and reset rather than getting stripped if he's picking and popping or blocked.

[PingPong]

:lol splitter isnt even european, he's from fucking south america

Splitter is a typical brazillian as Julián Castro is a WASP. :lol Guy is jew-german descendant, was born in one of most germanic towns in Brazil (most of the families speaks german at home, not portuguese) and gone to Spain as a teenager. Nene and Barbosa play brazilian basketball, because they played their entire career in the Brazilian league before arriving in the NBA. He played more years in Spain and U.S. than he played in the brazilian league. Splitz played just two seasons in Brazil before going to Spain at sixteen. Ten years after that, he arrived in U.S.

[Spurtacus]

About market value for a center. He's arguably entering his prime and still has room to improve his NBA game. Hopefully the last year of his deal is backloaded.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Wow this guy couldn't tie his own shoes in the finals. Over paid were there any other teams who would of over paid him?

[Baam]

Wow this guy couldn't tie his own shoes in the finals. Over paid were there any other teams who would of over paid him?

Nah that's the worst part, Portland just acted like they would to fuck with us.

[Sean Cagney]

Nah that's the worst part, Portland just acted like they would to fuck with us.

They still get us back for MMDAY miracle! From the way they play us the last few years like they are possessed to Batum etc.! That team feels they just owe us one everytime they play us or screw us lol. Whats funny is I would have waited to see what was thrown at him since he is a RFA and then matched if it was worth it! Instead on got damn day two they throw that contract at him.

[spurraider21]

If the Spurs only offered a lower figure and wouldn't budge, Splitter's camp would probably sit and wait for the Howard sweepstakes to end, and see if the losers between Atlanta, Houston, Dallas would throw money at him.

[Sean Cagney]

If the Spurs only offered a lower figure and wouldn't budge, Splitter's camp would probably sit and wait for the Howard sweepstakes to end, and see if the losers between Atlanta, Houston, Dallas would throw money at him.

I would bet MONEY Dallas would to screw us, you can always count on CUBES to do that. I would have bet on it.

[spurraider21]

I would bet MONEY Dallas would to screw us, you can always count on CUBES to do that. I would have bet on it.

Exactly. So people saying we didn't need to pay Splitter this much because Portland wasn't serious about making an offer don't realize that Portland is moot. The real players are the losers of the Howard sweepstakes

[TheGoldStandard]

Exactly. So people saying we didn't need to pay Splitter this much because Portland wasn't serious about making an offer don't realize that Portland is moot. The real players are the losers of the Howard sweepstakes

Had that scenario played out and he went to one of these teams you'd know exactly what to do in order to make him ineffective.. Put a guard on him, catch him high in the pick n roll .

[spurraider21]

Had that scenario played out and he went to one of these teams you'd know exactly what to do in order to make him ineffective.. Put a guard on him, catch him high in the pick n roll .

I'm not worried about how I'd deal with Splitter on the Mavs. I'm worried about how I'd replace my starting center

[BatManu20]

:flag:

[TheGoldStandard]

I'm not worried about how I'd deal with Splitter on the Mavs. I'm worried about how I'd replace my starting center

Spurs could have panicked and overpaid some other big. Lets hope he doesn't get that big man syndrome, "I got paid, now I can relax"

[FireMicoHalili]

Somehow your sports analysis is worse than Mico Halili's.
Nah man we still overpaid. Blazers did well making us burn our cap space. Could've had Millsap or Gortat. Was never sold on Splitter. If his PER or ORTg was better than Gortat's that's cause the system made him better.

[Baam]

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In a year where half the league is tanking, Tiago Splitter is getting 9M really?

[BatManu20]

http://i44.tinypic.com/2ewflmg.jpg

[TheGoldStandard]

http://i44.tinypic.com/2ewflmg.jpg

Now to put up mediocre stats that look impressive compared to shitty bigs in the league.

[Chinook]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swj7Nx_uxlA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aszI1ETzII4

Splitter needs to get back to this form more than anything. The thing I noticed, especially in the first video, was his jump shot. He had range out to the three-point line. It was an odd-looking form, for sure, but he certainly can get back to that.

[Werdsniper2]

Price was too high, in my opinion.

Realistically, I was expecting $6M - $7M a year. That's about what he is worth.

He still has some upside, keep in mind. But he is a high floor, low ceiling type of guy to me.

4 years, $26M sounded about right.

[PingPong]

:lol:lol:lol http://i.imgur.com/m9R6j2M.jpg

[Sean Cagney]

Price was too high, in my opinion.

Realistically, I was expecting $6M - $7M a year. That's about what he is worth.

He still has some upside, keep in mind. But he is a high floor, low ceiling type of guy to me.

4 years, $26M sounded about right.

I would have loved that there! DAMN!

[PingPong]

Now Tiago can help his father to increase his bookscollection. Tiago's dad has a 10.000 books collection. :lol http://i.imgur.com/HgbclH5.jpg

[TheGoldStandard]

Now Tiago can help his father to increase his bookscollection. Tiago's dad has a 10.000 books collection. :lolhttp://i.imgur.com/HgbclH5.jpg

Not one of them is about how to play the post.

[PingPong]

Not one of them is about how to play the post.

His dad and his Brother are lawyers. He learned how to get good contracts, tbh... :lol

[TheGoldStandard]

His dad and his Brother are lawyers. He learned how to get good contracts, tbh... :lol

He called the Spurs.. "Ugh, this is Portland.. we're prepared to pay 10M for Tiago in a couple of days, we swear"

[PingPong]

Splitter needs to get back to this form more than anything. The thing I noticed, especially in the first video, was his jump shot. He had range out to the three-point line. It was an odd-looking form, for sure, but he certainly can get back to that.

His body language shows that he was confidente or 'at home'. You can see it in his face. Pop did the favor of destroying his confidence and self esteem. COY. Dumb militaire without logical sense, takes his best rebounder and gives a second 3pts chance. :lol

[DesignatedT]

Will the setup of Splitters contract (flat 9M per season or gradual increase structure) have any significant impact on how much we have to spend this summer?

[Chinook]

Will the setup of Splitters contract (flat 9M per season or gradual increase structure) have any significant impact on how much we have to spend this summer?

It shouldn't, as either the Spurs will be over the cap, or they'll just wait to officially sign him until after they make their moves. The team is in a pretty good position to maximize their flexibility without having to worry about the tax.

How it's structured could determine how they feel about Splitter as a future replacement to Duncan, though.

[Man In Black]

I can buy that. But we need another good passer outta the PnR. Team is too thin at ball handler. Either pray to god CoJo takes a big step, or let Neal walk and grab one, IMO.

I like this guy for that backup PG spot.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Shaun-Livingston-3327/

He's not what he used to be but for 20 minutes a night, he's perfect. Question is, will he play for the San Antonio discount?

[Brunodf]

Spurs will trade him tbh

[Rapper]

Can't wait to next season let's take a look at our starting lineup and bench for next season

C Dwight Howard
F Timmy D
F AK47
G Leonard
G Parker
---------------------------

Bench

C Oden
F Tigao
F Green
G Manu
G Neal

I can see the hope for our fifth championship

[baseline bum]

Can't wait to next season let's take a look at our starting lineup and bench for next season

C Dwight Howard
F Timmy D
F AK47
G Leonard
G Parker
---------------------------

Bench

C Oden
F Tigao
F Green
G Manu
G Neal

I can see the hope for our fifth championship

Still ain't got a backup point guard.

[ChumpDumper]

spurfan gets upset when the team actually pays market price.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I'm not worried about how I'd deal with Splitter on the Mavs. I'm worried about how I'd replace my starting center

Exactly.

Consider this: Gortat, Asik and others have similar contracts to Splitter. Spurs had to sign Splitter now so they don't get poisoned-pilled and lose him for nothing, but that doesn't mean they won't trade him later if they aren't happy with him. Patience is in order.

[therealtruth]

His body language shows that he was confidente or 'at home'. You can see it in his face. Pop did the favor of destroying his confidence and self esteem. COY. Dumb militaire without logical sense, takes his best rebounder and gives a second 3pts chance. :lol

Everyone should praise Pop's player development skills. He's reduced a skilled offensive player to a guy who can only score on layups and dunks.

[unforeseen]

I really hope you are right about that.


Exactly.

Consider this: Gortat, Asik and others have similar contracts to Splitter. Spurs had to sign Splitter now so they don't get poisoned-pilled and lose him for nothing, but that doesn't mean they won't trade him later if they aren't happy with him. Patience is in order.

[dg7md]

Disgusting. The dude can't finish at the rim and is a completely bland player.

[chapnis]

Disgusting. The dude can't finish at the rim and is a completely bland player.

I can't believe the Spurs got someone bland, I was totally expecting them to get someone flashy and exciting as they have done for the past 15 years.


Splitter shoots 68% at the rim, Duncan shoots 70% at the rim. Duncan is 62% on layups, Splitter is 62% on layups. Duncan is 97% on dunks, Splitter is 94% on dunks. If Splitter can't finish around then rim then neither can Duncan.

[Marcus Bryant]

spurfan gets upset when the team actually pays market price.

Spurs fan also gets bent about cheap contracts for bench players.

And turns summer league players into HOFers.

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs fan bitches about this contract like it's 1993.

Puro San Antonio.

[jesterbobman]

Tiago Splitter posted insane efficiency numbers with TP and TD off the court. From nbawowy, TS% of 59.2 on usage of 21.9 when neither of them was on.

From Basketball reference, http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/splitti01.html

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Tm
Lg
Pos
G
MP
PER
TS%
eFG%
ORB%
DRB%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
BLK%
TOV%
USG%
ORtg
DRtg
OWS
DWS
WS
WS/48


2010-11 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/splitti01/gamelog/2011/)
26
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2011.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011.html)
C
60
738
16.0
.550
.529
11.6
19.8
15.8
5.3
2.0
1.6
11.2
17.7
113
103
1.1
1.1
2.3
.149


2011-12 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/splitti01/gamelog/2012/)
27
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2012.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012.html)
C
59
1121
20.5
.649
.618
9.7
21.4
15.7
9.2
1.0
3.0
17.1
20.7
117
102
3.0
1.6
4.6
.197



2012-13 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/splitti01/gamelog/2013/)
28
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2013.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013.html)
PF
81
1997
18.7
.609
.560
8.8
20.3
14.9
10.0
1.6
2.3
12.7
18.2
118
100
4.7
3.5
8.2
.197


Career



NBA

200
3856
18.7
.610
.572
9.6
20.5
15.3
8.9
1.5
2.4
13.8
18.8
117
101
8.8
6.2
15.1

.188




Pretty decent. A well above average player by both PER and WS.

Evan Zamir's EZPM: http://www.d3coder.com/thecity/ezpm-player-ratings/

Hey look, 51st in the league in total wins.

Tiago Splitter is a good basketball player. $9 million dollars a year is a good deal, considering what he gives you.

People need to stop comparing his deal to Duncan. Duncan is better than Tiago. Duncan is also the best PF of all time, took a decent deal and then outperformed rational expectations of him. Tiago is not Tim. People need to accept that, and realise that 9 million is a good deal for a player with Tiago's warts. If he didn't have those, he'd be kind of like that once in a generation big he starts next to, and he's get 20m a year rather than 9.

[Baam]

Tiago Splitter posted insane efficiency numbers with TP and TD off the court. From nbawowy, TS% of 59.2 on usage of 21.9 when neither of them was on.

From Basketball reference, http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/splitti01.html

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MP
PER
TS%
eFG%
ORB%
DRB%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
BLK%
TOV%
USG%
ORtg
DRtg
OWS
DWS
WS
WS/48


2010-11 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/splitti01/gamelog/2011/)
26
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2011.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011.html)
C
60
738
16.0
.550
.529
11.6
19.8
15.8
5.3
2.0
1.6
11.2
17.7
113
103
1.1
1.1
2.3
.149


2011-12 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/splitti01/gamelog/2012/)
27
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2012.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012.html)
C
59
1121
20.5
.649
.618
9.7
21.4
15.7
9.2
1.0
3.0
17.1
20.7
117
102
3.0
1.6
4.6
.197


2012-13 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/splitti01/gamelog/2013/)
28
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2013.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013.html)
PF
81
1997
18.7
.609
.560
8.8
20.3
14.9
10.0
1.6
2.3
12.7
18.2
118
100
4.7
3.5
8.2
.197


Career


NBA

200
3856
18.7
.610
.572
9.6
20.5
15.3
8.9
1.5
2.4
13.8
18.8
117
101
8.8
6.2
15.1
.188



Pretty decent. A well above average player by both PER and WS.

Evan Zamir's EZPM: http://www.d3coder.com/thecity/ezpm-player-ratings/

Hey look, 51st in the league in total wins.

Tiago Splitter is a good basketball player. $9 million dollars a year is a good deal, considering what he gives you.

People need to stop comparing his deal to Duncan. Duncan is better than Tiago. Duncan is also the best PF of all time, took a decent deal and then outperformed rational expectations of him. Tiago is not Tim. People need to accept that, and realise that 9 million is a good deal for a player with Tiago's warts. If he didn't have those, he'd be kind of like that once in a generation big he starts next to, and he's get 20m a year rather than 9.

The problem is that Boris has been much better in the post seasons since he got here and he's making 4M.

[L.I.T]

Market deal. Nothing more nothing less.

It does allow the Spurs to retain their current salary flexibility.

[Marcus Bryant]

Shitty contracts are the same money for Adonal Foyle a decade ago, or Jim McIlvaine two decades previous.

Splitter is a good fit and the Spurs paid a fair price. Spurs fan assumes all non-star players should play for the vet min.

[Baam]

Shitty contracts are the same money for Adonal Foyle a decade ago, or Jim McIlvaine two decades previous.

Splitter is a good fit and the Spurs paid a fair price. Spurs fan assumes all non-star players should play for the vet min.

He should at least play like the second best big is all.

[Slippy]

Pop got his whipping boy back. There's no way coach keeping a tight leash now that Tiago's getting 9mill. In fact, with this news coming early and Tiago agreeing before feeling out other teams, they must be on the same page going forward.

The humerous part of this thread amongst Spurs fans spewing their hard earned money getting spent on Tiago Splitter is Designated T pretending to be happy he's coming back, yet continously digging at his finals' stats.

When Tiago got blocked by lebron and got a subsequent benching 1min into game 4, this guy would of been smiling.

[benefactor]

You must've just joined spur fandom in time for the 2013 finals, then. That's literally the only way you could fail to acknowledge the role that Tiago played in reversing the disastrous 2009-2011 era.
Truth bomb.

Let's recap the past several seasons:

"Timmy needs help! We have to get another 7 footer!"

"Oh no! Not Michael Finley at PF again!"

"Oh no! Not more Bonner!"

"Please please please please find us another real big!"

"Splitter! Finally!"

"Splitter is here on bench...why won't Pop play him!"

"Splitter is playing now! Woohoo! So glad he helped us this season! We are finally back in the Finals!"

"Splitter sucks! He never helped at all! That slow footed aussie on the bench is better than him!"

"You mean his sorry ass won't play for the MLE! Fuck this guy! He's never been worth a damn! We could have played all of last year and made the Finals without his ass!"

:wakeup

[Marcus Bryant]

Nice.

[siraulo23]

i have no problem with resigning splitter at 9/year but i was hoping the spurs could lowball him to around 8/year

i also would have been fine if they could not resign him for financial reasons and went another direction to sign another bigman

i also have no problem with bringing almost everyone back from the team who got as close as you can get to a championship, but hopefully they make a couple of moves instead of standing pat, i.e. backup sf/backup pg

[therealtruth]

Based on the skills he shows in his youtube videos he would be worth 9M/year. He just hasn't shown the same game as a Spur. I think that is on Pop who has always sold him as an unskilled big. I have a feeling RC and Pop don't have the same view of Splitter.

[temujin]

Richard-Jeffersonesque signing.

[dg7md]

I can't believe the Spurs got someone bland, I was totally expecting them to get someone flashy and exciting as they have done for the past 15 years.


Splitter shoots 68% at the rim, Duncan shoots 70% at the rim. Duncan is 62% on layups, Splitter is 62% on layups. Duncan is 97% on dunks, Splitter is 94% on dunks. If Splitter can't finish around then rim then neither can Duncan.

Not the point, man.

The point is, you watched the same Finals as me, and Splitter is not ready for legitimate NBA competition. He's not going to help us get back to the Finals, so he's a complete waste of a signing; I've had enough of soft Euros.

Dumb to compare him with Duncan. Duncan is in the twilight of his career, Splitter is not as old as Duncan, and even in this day and age Duncan is a better finisher than Splitter is.

[eDizzle20]

Richard-Jeffersonesque signing.
That's taking it a bit far. Splitter is still an excellent player. He did a great job of shutting down Z-Bo in the conference finals. Miami was a bad matchup for him. He just lost confidence when LeBron stuffed him. I don't even think he was going convert on that dunk, the ball was already slipping from his hand by the time LeBron blocked.

[SpursFan4-Life]

you can't teach height, nor can do 7ft big men who can pass and finish like Tiago grow on trees



he got market value, quit bitching, had he gone to Portland and averages 16/7 everyone would cry he left

[3 Legged Dog]

You must've just joined spur fandom in time for the 2013 finals, then. That's literally the only way you could fail to acknowledge the role that Tiago played in reversing the disastrous 2009-2011 era.

Actually, I have been. Fan since 1974. Unlike you, I actually saw George Gervin, James Silas, Billy Paultz and Larry Kenon play. Do you even know who thy are.

Unlike you, had my heart ripped out in the 1979 Eastern Conference Final. That's right, the Spurs used to play in the east

Unlike you, I had to endure the Bob Weiss era. Again, another bit of Spurs history you probably have no clue about.

Unlike you, I am aware that the Spurs colors are black and silver because in 1973, when the Spurs migrated from Dallas, a minority owner was a Raiders fan.

While I could go on, I don't feel the need to justify why I have a different opinion than you. So run along. Go slather on some pimple cream and get back to your XBOX Live.

[3 Legged Dog]

:lol splitter isnt even european, he's from fucking south america

He's 100% German. He just happens to have grown up in Brazil.

[Keepin' it real]

Splitter is not ready for legitimate NBA competition.

Don't be so disrespectful to the man. He had a solid season, was quite good in the first round, and very good in the WCF. Tim took a pay cut so the Spurs could make signings like this to stay competitive.


He's not going to help us get back to the Finals

I'm sorry, but that comment is just ignorant. Did you not watch this past season? It appears your judgment is clouded by your disdain for "Euros."


Dumb to compare him with Duncan.

Agree 100%. But it's not dumb to compare a Duncan/Splitter front court with Spurs front courts since 50 retired. This is the best Tim has had it in a decade. He knows it. Pop knows it. RC knows it. Holt knows it. Half of Spurstalk knows it. What's wrong with the other half?

[EIC]

Truth bomb.

Let's recap the past several seasons:

"Timmy needs help! We have to get another 7 footer!"

"Oh no! Not Michael Finley at PF again!"

"Oh no! Not more Bonner!"

"Please please please please find us another real big!"

"Splitter! Finally!"

"Splitter is here on bench...why won't Pop play him!"

"Splitter is playing now! Woohoo! So glad he helped us this season! We are finally back in the Finals!"

"Splitter sucks! He never helped at all! That slow footed aussie on the bench is better than him!"

"You mean his sorry ass won't play for the MLE! Fuck this guy! He's never been worth a damn! We could have played all of last year and made the Finals without his ass!"

:wakeup

To summarize the evolution of the Splitter-related posts:

Hope
Denial
Acceptance

[Captivus]

This Dan McCarney guy (twitter) seems to be upset about the Tiago contract, on a personal level...

[look_at_g_shred]

This Dan McCarney guy (twitter) seems to be upset about the Tiago contract, on a personal level...

:lol

[3 Legged Dog]

Just not a fan of Clitter

[cd98]

The problem is that Boris has been much better in the post seasons since he got here and he's making 4M.

What? Diaw had his moments, but if you look at the totality of the playoffs, i.e., all rounds, no question Tiago was better.

[look_at_g_shred]

What? Diaw had his moments, but if you look at the totality of the playoffs, i.e., all rounds, no question Tiago was better.

To me they were both equally good and helped us when the matchups were in their favor. Lakers (Tiago), GSW (Diaw), Grizz (Tiago), Heat (Diaw)

[jjktkk]

Everyone should praise Pop's player development skills. He's reduced a skilled offensive player to a guy who can only score on layups and dunks.

Yes, because it really benefits the Spurs to do this. Smh.

[SpursDynasty21]

9.6 million left, Manu will take some of that and if they re-sign NEAL forget it.

Thanks!

[kaji157]

Everyone should praise Pop's player development skills. He's reduced a skilled offensive player to a guy who can only score on layups and dunks.

He was never "offensivelly gifted" that´s why Argentina frontline always stopped Splitter even when we don´t have good defenders other than Oberto who´s not around from a while.
Deny the roll near the basket, let him have the ball a bit far from the post and he will either loose it or try a soft low percentage shot.

Vagina should give us a one million discount per year for sucking against a 6-7 guards in the finals.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Shitty contracts are the same money for Adonal Foyle a decade ago, or Jim McIlvaine two decades previous.

Splitter is a good fit and the Spurs paid a fair price. Spurs fan assumes all non-star players should play for the vet min.

Yup.


Truth bomb.

Let's recap the past several seasons:

"Timmy needs help! We have to get another 7 footer!"

"Oh no! Not Michael Finley at PF again!"

"Oh no! Not more Bonner!"

"Please please please please find us another real big!"

"Splitter! Finally!"

"Splitter is here on bench...why won't Pop play him!"

"Splitter is playing now! Woohoo! So glad he helped us this season! We are finally back in the Finals!"

"Splitter sucks! He never helped at all! That slow footed aussie on the bench is better than him!"

"You mean his sorry ass won't play for the MLE! Fuck this guy! He's never been worth a damn! We could have played all of last year and made the Finals without his ass!"

:wakeup

Truth nuke! :toast

[kaji157]

To me they were both equally good and helped us when the matchups were in their favor. Lakers (Tiago), GSW (Diaw), Grizz (Tiago), Heat (Diaw)

People need to stop defending Tiago saying he didn´t have a good matchup in the Heat series, he was guarded by freaking Mike Miller, if that´s a bad matchup then it´s because you cannot xploit it offensivelly. He just couldn´t score against smaller guys and was pussying all over the court, he even looked scared at times.

[Keepin' it real]

People need to

You lost me right there.

[Russo21]

Isn't the Beast Nikola Pekovic available? Or is he restricted

[Juggity]

Actually, I have been. Fan since 1974. Unlike you, I actually saw George Gervin, James Silas, Billy Paultz and Larry Kenon play. Do you even know who thy are. Unlike you, had my heart ripped out in the 1979 Eastern Conference Final. That's right, the Spurs used to play in the east. Unlike you, I had to endure the Bob Weiss era. Again, another bit of Spurs history you probably have no clue about. Unlike you, I am aware that the Spurs colors are black and silver because in 1973, when the Spurs migrated from Dallas, a minority owner was a Raiders fan. While I could go on, I don't feel the need to justify why I have a different opinion than you. So run along. Go slather on some pimple cream and get back to your XBOX Live.

Okay, so let me get this straight: you know a few things about spurs history and have been a fan for 40 years, but can't recognize the value that a mobile, defensively strong center brings when paired with Tim Duncan? Two deep playoff runs in 2012 and 2013, one of which resulted in the spurs being 1 rebound away from a championship, means nothing to you?

Come on now.

[Baam]

Okay, so let me get this straight: you know a few things about spurs history and have been a fan for 40 years, but can't recognize the value that a mobile, defensively strong center brings when paired with Tim Duncan? Two deep playoff runs in 2012 and 2013, one of which resulted in the spurs being 1 rebound away from a championship, means nothing to you?

Come on now.

Stop making stuff up, Tiago didn't do shit the last two runs, he had one semi good series, the second best big during that timeframe was Boris Diaw.

He was a backup who got hacked and choked in 2012 and in 2013 he was the worst player in two series.

[timtonymanu]

Okay, so let me get this straight: you know a few things about spurs history and have been a fan for 40 years, but can't recognize the value that a mobile, defensively strong center brings when paired with Tim Duncan? Two deep playoff runs in 2012 and 2013, one of which resulted in the spurs being 1 rebound away from a championship, means nothing to you?

Come on now.

I would think that Spurs fans that had to put up with tough years outside the Duncan era would know better.

[Juggity]

I would think that Spurs fans that had to put up with tough years outside the Duncan era would know better.

:tu

[SpursDynasty21]

I can't see Splitter taking over as the Spurs star big man when Duncan retires. I can't believe they signed him for 4 seasons.

[kobyz]

Spurs fuck themself, Splitter coming back was worth only if it was for no more than 6-7 million... the point with Splitter is that he is a role player, he is a player that although can be usefull somtimes has significant flaws to his game... he is kind of player that can be good to have only for role player money, not third wheel kind money... cause now Spurs dig hole for themself, they now will have to use Splitter in a more main role to try to prove his salary, he his not gonna match expetaitions... Spurs got panic i think, i don't think that Portland or other teams really wanted to go after him... and nevertheless even if we could not have bringing him back at good money, i think Spurs was better let him go... now Spurs gave themself very hard time assemble a winning team, they should better find a catch or gamble elsewhere instead of giving Splitter much money!

[I. Hustle]

Spurs fuck themself, Splitter coming back was worth only if it was for no more than 6-7 million... the point with Splitter is that he is a role player, he is a player that although can be usefull somtimes has significant flaws to his game... he is kind of player that can be good to have only for role player money, not third wheel kind money... cause now Spurs dig hole for themself, they now will have to use Splitter in a more main role to try to prove his salary, he his not gonna match expetaitions... Spurs got panic i think, i don't think that Portland or other teams really wanted to go after him... and nevertheless even if we could not have bringing him back at good money, i think Spurs was better let him go... now Spurs gave themself very hard time assemble a winning team, they should better find a catch or gamble elsewhere instead of giving Splitter much money!

Especially with all the dime a dozen big men that are out there. I mean we could have grabbed... but then there's... they could have signed... Oh wait

[Baam]

Especially with all the dime a dozen big men that are out there. I mean we could have grabbed... but then there's... they could have signed... Oh wait

TRob
Robin Lopez
Gortat
Millsap
Big Al
Sam Dalembert

[I. Hustle]

TRob
Robin Lopez
Gortat
Millsap
Big Al
Sam Dalembert

Right, because those are locks right? All of them either want to go to the Spurs or their teams are willing to trade them. We know that for certain.

lol @ Dalembert & Lopez

[Baam]

Right, because those are locks right? All of them either want to go to the Spurs or their teams are willing to trade them. We know that for certain.

lol @ Dalembert & Lopez

Lopez has two more years left at 5M a year, his contract would be up at the same time as Duncan and he puts similar numbers than Splitter and yes he's on the block :rolleyes.

[cjw]

Lopez has two more years left at 5M a year, his contract would be up at the same time as Duncan and he puts similar numbers than Splitter and yes he's on the block :rolleyes.

If you combined Brook and Robin, you'd have one heck of a player. Problem with Lopez is he's not available RIGHT now and it's not a sure bet he'd make it to San Antonio if he were cut. Too much risk to not resign Splitter. Imagine the debacle that would have ensued had they been left with Bonner as their third big?

[quentin_compson]

I think that money is quite reasonable for a big of Splitter's quality. Some people here are a bit too quick to forget how much Tiago was a reason for the Spurs becoming a better team defensively.

[I. Hustle]

Lopez has two more years left at 5M a year, his contract would be up at the same time as Duncan and he puts similar numbers than Splitter and yes he's on the block :rolleyes.

Again, you can guarantee that they want to do business with the Spurs? What would they take back? :rolleyes

[I. Hustle]

If you combined Brook and Robin, you'd have one heck of a player. Problem with Lopez is he's not available RIGHT now and it's not a sure bet he'd make it to San Antonio if he were cut. Too much risk to not resign Splitter. Imagine the debacle that would have ensued had they been left with Bonner as their third big?

A GNSF with a brain

[gameFACE]

It's not a bad signing especially if Tim holds up this next season. Splitter is a bit soft at times and he does get blocked. He can still get better but he's not a star player by any means. The Spurs don't need a star player at center - again, if Tim holds up.

I skimmed through 21 pages of this thread and was surprised the Palm Sunday block was only posted once. Spurs must not be that disappointed


http://images.thehollywoodgossip.com/iu/t_xlarge_l/v1370863904/lebron-james-block-gif.gif

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I was hoping he'd of come in a little lower, but bigs with any talent command a lot of coin in this league. He's a young center just hitting his prime. I hope his health stays good.

Short of getting Aldridge from Portland, there's not a center available who I would have wanted on the Spurs more than Tiago.

[temujin]

Isn't the Beast Nikola Pekovic available? Or is he restricted

If Splitter will make 45 M,
Nikola Pekovic is going to make 100 M.
He gets rebounds and has a jumpshot.

[cjw]

A GNSF with a brain

Hey, the way I look at it, I can only move up in the world from here

[BatManu20]

:flag:

[SpursDynasty21]

People can complain about Ginobili's new contract, but Splitter's new contract is the one that frustrates me.

[Baam]

People can complain about Ginobili's new contract, but Splitter's new contract is the one that frustrates me.

Same here, people like to point the finger at Bonner but Splitter hasn't done anything in the POs.

[BatManu20]

People can complain about Ginobili's new contract, but Splitter's new contract is the one that frustrates me.

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/2194/tiagosplitteryoumad.jpg

[dbestpro]

The one thought that really might make next year a go is if the contract Splitter received now allows him to get calls like the rest of the big boys. He has been getting the rookie call by the refs since he has been in the league.

[ohmwrecker]

:lmao Robin Lopez

[TheGoldStandard]

The one thought that really might make next year a go is if the contract Splitter received now allows him to get calls like the rest of the big boys. He has been getting the rookie call by the refs since he has been in the league.

It's not about contract, the dude goes up weak most of the time that's why they don't call it. He looks like he's flailing his arms around when he gets blocked so its hard to tell if he's being blocked or hacked.

[rascal]

Right, because those are locks right? All of them either want to go to the Spurs or their teams are willing to trade them. We know that for certain.

lol @ Dalembert & Lopez

Don't need all of them, just one.

[rascal]

If you combined Brook and Robin, you'd have one heck of a player. Problem with Lopez is he's not available RIGHT now and it's not a sure bet he'd make it to San Antonio if he were cut. Too much risk to not resign Splitter. Imagine the debacle that would have ensued had they been left with Bonner as their third big?

You don't go anywhere being afraid of risks.

[Baam]

:lmao Robin Lopez

T-Vag :lol
29 year old in his 3rd year still has groupies say that he's not soft as a waxed vagina, "it's just playoffs jitters", "gonna get better and develop" :lol

[poeticism707]

Tiago is good role player, but the Pop and front office are weak minded fools for overpaying that much for him. Should have just let him walk, you don't have a snow ball's chance in Hell of winning another title in the TD era anyway, Pop and Manu already gift wrapped the last opportunity.

[TheCerebral1]

Better than 5 years and $45M, but all in all completely fine by me. I like Splitter and feel while he has flaws, so do many players. He has much better fluid motions around the rim and unlike Jefferson does not need a ton of ISO to get points. Welcome back Tiago!

[dallasmaverickslose]

Splitter was a better option than anything else out there at this point.

[rascal]

Splitter was a better option than anything else out there at this point.

Aldridge was better.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Aldridge was better.

Well duh, but he's not a realistic option. Unless I'm entirely misunderstood, we'd have to give up a lot to get him.

[Mel_13]

Aldridge was better.

LeBron is also better. Do you ever have a point?

[TheGreatYacht]

Tiago is good role player, but the Pop and front office are weak minded fools for overpaying that much for him. Should have just let him walk, you don't have a snow ball's chance in Hell of winning another title in the TD era anyway, Pop and Manu already gift wrapped the last opportunity.Well said my friend.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/970034_542304679148625_1855418513_n.jpg

[manufan10]

Well said my friend.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/970034_542304679148625_1855418513_n.jpg

If you're going to use a meme at least use a correct one. How does that correlate with Bad Luck Brian?

Edit: If anything you should have used the most interesting man in the world and put: "I don't always play poorly in the NBA Finals, but when I do I get a 4 year $36m contract. :toast

[Baam]

Well said my friend.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/970034_542304679148625_1855418513_n.jpg

And the worst part is that he's now protected, even if Baynes outplays him getting such a ridiculous contracts means that he's guaranteed to start to maintain any potential trade value like we did for RJeff.

[ChumpDumper]

Splitter was a better option than anything else out there at this point.


Aldridge was better.Better player. Not actually an option.

[TheCerebral1]

I swear, it's like people assume that big men in the late part of the first round grow on trees. Sure they had a shot at Muscala, but he's not a classic center. Big men don't grow on trees unless you're drafting in the lottery (suck) or trade for a pick it's unlikely you end up with someone there. Secondly Splitter is being paid what the market alots. He's getting the same type of money that Asik is getting etcetera.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Spurs should have gone for Milsap over Tiago

[chrhawk]

Spurs should have gone for Milsap over Tiago

For all of Splitter's faults, he is still a vital part of the Spurs' defense rising back to elite status. In a perfect world, I would've wanted them both. However, that's no longer possible with Ginobili's newly signed contract.

[benefactor]

Milsap isn't a big. He's a short PF. I don't know why people keep comparing him to Splitter.

[Johnny RIngo]

Milsap isn't a big. He's a short PF. I don't know why people keep comparing him to Splitter.

And Splitter's a big that can't rebound worth a damn and finishes like a point guard. For a 7 footer, Tiago doesn't play like one. The only aspect of Tiago that comes close to resembling a big is his defense.

[benefactor]

And Splitter's a big that can't rebound worth a damn and finishes like a point guard. For a 7 footer, Tiago doesn't play like one. The only aspect of Tiago that comes close to resembling a big is his defense.
Splitter is an elite pick and roll player that finished almost 68% of his shots around the rim last season. Yes, he could rebound better, but sacrificing his defensive contribution for a player like Milsap would mean Duncan would have to play more minutes...which means Duncan wears out and the Spurs are finished.

Cue the "Baynes could take Splitter's minutes" argument.

[HarlemHeat37]

Don't mind this deal, seems fair for Splitter, tbh..

Statistically, Splitter was one of the most valuable contributors in the NBA this season, both offensively and defensively..he's one of the top 15 best all-around defensive bigs in the NBA, and the threat of his pick&roll game is an essential part of the offense..

Unfortunately, he's a pussy that doesn't rebound and has an erratic post game, but hopefully the Finals embarrassment will motivate him..

[PingPong]

And the worst part is that he's now protected, even if Baynes outplays him getting such a ridiculous contracts means that he's guaranteed to start to maintain any potential trade value like we did for RJeff.

:lmao:lmao

[ohmwrecker]

I don't see what the big deal is . . . Splitter's deal seems pretty fair. Lots of good players choke in their first finals ie. Harden. Let's try to remember what a vast improvement Splitter made from '12 to '13. Spurs fans expectaions are really out of wack.

:lol Aldridge (no fucking way)
:lol Millsap (short, overrated)
:lol Gortat (sucks)

[ducks]

gortot is making what splitter is

[therealtruth]

I don't see what the big deal is . . . Splitter's deal seems pretty fair. Lots of good players choke in their first finals ie. Harden. Let's try to remember what a vast improvement Splitter made from '12 to '13. Spurs fans expectaions are really out of wack.

:lol Aldridge (no fucking way)
:lol Millsap (short, overrated)
:lol Gortat (sucks)

Splitter didn't make any improvement. If anything he regressed if you look at the stats. He only got to play more.

[ohmwrecker]

Splitter didn't make any improvement. If anything he regressed if you look at the stats. He only got to play more.

That's not at all accurate. Advanced stats always go down when a player gets more minutes. It's completely obvious and natural that they would.

[Drom John]

WS is an advance stat that incorporates playing time.
Splitter was 25 the league in WS last year.
Duncan was 24th.
Randolph was 26th.

[look_at_g_shred]

Splitter didn't make any improvement. If anything he regressed if you look at the stats. He only got to play more.
Yeah he did, he improved his Free throw shooting lol

[Agloco]

I just can't panic and meltdown any more after 6. I mean it's like you just got back from Mai Lai, flamethrower in hand, and you're supposed to be scared of Compton?

:lol Goods.

[ViceCity84]

MUTHAFUCKER!

If Pat Riley was our GM he would of let that pos Splitter walk.

[ViceCity84]

What's worse, this or game six?

-GNSF

:lmao

[ALVAREZ6]

I swear, it's like people assume that big men in the late part of the first round grow on trees. Sure they had a shot at Muscala, but he's not a classic center. Big men don't grow on trees unless you're drafting in the lottery (suck) or trade for a pick it's unlikely you end up with someone there. Secondly Splitter is being paid what the market alots. He's getting the same type of money that Asik is getting etcetera.
That's a god damn shame because Asik is significantly more effective than Tiago Splitter, and most importantly he's not a pussy like the Brazilian.

[Bruno]

Per RealGM trade checker, Splitter starting salary is $10M. Either he is paid more than $36M or his contract has a decreasing structure. The max decreasing structure will pay him ($10M, $9.25M, $8.5M and $7.75M) for a total of $35.5M. It would fit with Spurs trying to have as much cap space as possible in 2015 for the post Duncan era.

[TheGoldStandard]

:pctoss

[temujin]

So his first year is 2 M cheaper than Nikola Pekovic.

A Splitter guy if shipped to play with the Wizards mediocres ends up playing like Vezely.

[Baam]

Per RealGM trade checker, Splitter starting salary is $10M. Either he is paid more than $36M or his contract has a decreasing structure. The max decreasing structure will pay him ($10M, $9.25M, $8.5M and $7.75M) for a total of $35.5M. It would fit with Spurs trying to have as much cap space as possible in 2015 for the post Duncan era.

Good news I guess, will be easier to trade him.

[Mal]

Per RealGM trade checker, Splitter starting salary is $10M. Either he is paid more than $36M or his contract has a decreasing structure. The max decreasing structure will pay him ($10M, $9.25M, $8.5M and $7.75M) for a total of $35.5M. It would fit with Spurs trying to have as much cap space as possible in 2015 for the post Duncan era.

So either way Spurs werent getting AK47 with cap space. They went over the cap for MLE by paying Ginobili and make Splitter`s deal decreasing. Neal and Blair are officialy out via SnT or free agency.

[Bruno]

So either way Spurs werent getting AK47 with cap space. They went over the cap for MLE by paying Ginobili and make Splitter`s deal decreasing. Neal and Blair are officialy out via SnT or free agency.

Splitter's contract structure had no impact on Spurs possible cap space as long as his first year was higher than his cap hold of $7.5M.

[Bruno]

Good news I guess, will be easier to trade him.

Well, RealGM also reports that he has a trade bonus which will make it harder to trade. The decreasing structure will make it easier for Spurs to rebuild when Duncan will retire. It's a good move from Spurs.

[LakerHater]

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[therealtruth]

So either way Spurs werent getting AK47 with cap space. They went over the cap for MLE by paying Ginobili and make Splitter`s deal decreasing. Neal and Blair are officialy out via SnT or free agency.

Kirilenko signed for 3M. They could have used the mid-level.

[T Park]

He wasnt signing in San Antonio for 3 million.
He didn't sign in Brooklyn for 3 either..

[Vic Petro]

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[SpursDynasty21]

What is a trade kicker?

[FvckMavs]

What is a trade kicker?

It will kick your ass if you trade him.

[Vic Petro]

What is a trade kicker?

If he's traded he's owed an additional 15% of the remainder of the contract.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

This was a bloated contract, but everyone forgot once we won the title. He needs to start stepping up of he fan because this is going to be a huge debate at the end of the year if he keeps playing like this.

[K...]

It's not a bloated contract. Big men get paid if they have any skill. Tiago is very tradable, but won't be traded because the spurs can't get a better big man value.

[ElNono]

Didn't Portland offer him the same amount of money? At that point his value is set and the Spurs have to pay or let him walk for nothing. That's how free agency works in the NBA...

Pretty similar to how it's going to work with Kiwi this summer...

[Johnny RIngo]

This was a bloated contract, but everyone forgot once we won the title. He needs to start stepping up of he fan because this is going to be a huge debate at the end of the year if he keeps playing like this.

Yeah, better to let him go to Portland that summer so we can continue to pair Duncan with Dejuan Blair and Jeff Ayres. Tiago was HUGE in last year's title run - more important than Parker for instance. He more than earned that contract with the contributions he brought to last year's championship. Is he not playing well right now? Yeah, but it could be any number of factors like fatigue from playing off-season basketball in the summer or the injury he suffered in pre-season.

[SpursFan86]

Portland ended up getting the better deal though tbh. I'd take Robin Lopez for 3 years/$15 million over Splitter for 4 years/$36 million.

Regardless, Splitter's contract is fine. Parker's contract is the one I'm worried about.

[PingPong]

If Portland had got Splitter, they could have swept the Spurs last season. Imagine Splitter and LaMarcus Aldridge playing together?

[ElNono]

Portland ended up getting the better deal though tbh. I'd take Robin Lopez for 3 years/$15 million over Splitter for 4 years/$36 million.

Regardless, Splitter's contract is fine. Parker's contract is the one I'm worried about.

Spurs got the ring, Portland did not, and Tiago was an integral part of that. If that's not the better deal...

[Chinook]

Spurs got the ring, Portland did not, and Tiago was an integral part of that. If that's not the better deal...

Not just that, but Tiago shut down Portland's best player. What more do people need to see?

[SpursFan86]

I never argued that Tiago didn't play a big part in us getting a ring. I'm saying that Robin Lopez for 3 years/$15 million is a better deal than Splitter for 4 years/$36 million. Lopez isn't that much worse than Splitter, he's much more durable, and they got him for way cheaper.

Ask 30 GMs if they'd rather have Splitter for 4 years/$36 million or Robin Lopez for 3 years/$15 million. I'd wager the majority of them take the latter option.

[Chinook]

I never argued that Tiago didn't play a big part in us getting a ring. I'm saying that Robin Lopez for 3 years/$15 million is a better deal than Splitter for 4 years/$36 million. Lopez isn't that much worse than Splitter, he's much more durable, and they got him for way cheaper.

Ask 30 GMs if they'd rather have Splitter for 4 years/$36 million or Robin Lopez for 3 years/$15 million. I'd wager the majority of them take the latter option.

But he's worse on both ends and can't guard the league's best bigs.

[Robz4000]

Cat Faggot with another shitful take. Splitter's earned that contract already.

[TheGreatYacht]

Just wait until they max out a role player this offseason

[Chinook]

Just wait until they max out a role player this offseason

Better than maxing out a cancer last off-season.

[apalisoc_9]

Better than maxing out a cancer last off-season.

:lmao

[HI-FI]

Better than maxing out a cancer last off-season.
/thread

[Mugen]

I never argued that Tiago didn't play a big part in us getting a ring. I'm saying that Robin Lopez for 3 years/$15 million is a better deal than Splitter for 4 years/$36 million. Lopez isn't that much worse than Splitter, he's much more durable, and they got him for way cheaper.

Ask 30 GMs if they'd rather have Splitter for 4 years/$36 million or Robin Lopez for 3 years/$15 million. I'd wager the majority of them take the latter option.

i think most GMs would take the 4yrs/36mil and a ring over the "better deal" and getting their shit pushed in during the 2nd round tbh.

[SpursFan86]

i think most GMs would take the 4yrs/36mil and a ring over the "better deal" and getting their shit pushed in during the 2nd round tbh.

Put Lopez on the Spurs and Splitter on the Blazers. You seriously think we suddenly are the ones getting our shit pushed in? :lol

Again, I'm not arguing that the Spurs made a mistake or that Splitter doesn't deserve his contract. I'm arguing that Lopez's contract is a better deal than Splitter's.

[benefactor]

Spurs probably don't have five without Splitter. His earned every penny.

[Nathan89]

Any contract pre- pure domination was worth it. Tiago could have a max contract right now and that would be alright because he helped us win a ring.

[Mugen]

Put Lopez on the Spurs and Splitter on the Blazers. You seriously think we suddenly are the ones getting our shit pushed in? :lol

Again, I'm not arguing that the Spurs made a mistake or that Splitter doesn't deserve his contract. I'm arguing that Lopez's contract is a better deal than Splitter's.

Replace last year's Tiago with last year's Lopez and the Spurs suffer another 1st round meltdown against the Mavs tbh.

[chazley]

Spurs probably don't have five without Splitter. His earned every penny.

This. He was DOMINANT the first two rounds defensively against Dirk/LMA.

[K...]

It took him long enough, but splitter has earned the title best big to pay besides Duncan since drob. If he were just a bit younger his contract would be much higher. Closer to gortat than Lopez. Lopez is a bench big. Splitter would be a starter on 2/3 of today's nba team.

[Chinook]

Put Lopez on the Spurs and Splitter on the Blazers. You seriously think we suddenly are the ones getting our shit pushed in? :lol

Again, I'm not arguing that the Spurs made a mistake or that Splitter doesn't deserve his contract. I'm arguing that Lopez's contract is a better deal than Splitter's.

Yes. The Spurs don't beat Dallas with Lopez guarding Dirk. Lopez wouldn't even have been a starter.

[SpursFan86]

Yes. The Spurs don't beat Dallas with Lopez guarding Dirk. Lopez wouldn't even have been a starter.

Sounds like you're arguing that Lopez is a better fit for us than Splitter was...in which case I'd probably agree. My initial comment was that Portland got a better deal when they missed out on Splitter and ended up getting Lopez for much cheaper. The only argument I've seen from people is "We ended up getting a ring and whooping Portland's ass with Splitter"...which is great at all, but it doesn't really disprove my argument.

[Johnny RIngo]

Better than maxing out a cancer last off-season.

:lol Chinook shitting all over TheGreatYacht

[Chinook]

Sounds like you're arguing that Lopez is a better fit for us than Splitter was...in which case I'd probably agree. My initial comment was that Portland got a better deal when they missed out on Splitter and ended up getting Lopez for much cheaper. The only argument I've seen from people is "We ended up getting a ring and whooping Portland's ass with Splitter"...which is great at all, but it doesn't really disprove my argument.

Sure, if you ignore all the arguments that Splitter is a better player and actually fits with Tim.

[Malik Hairston]

Splitter absolutely earned his money last year, that makes the contract worth it, regardless of what else happens IMO..

[Mugen]

Sounds like you're arguing that Lopez is a better fit for us than Splitter was...in which case I'd probably agree. My initial comment was that Portland got a better deal when they missed out on Splitter and ended up getting Lopez for much cheaper. The only argument I've seen from people is "We ended up getting a ring and whooping Portland's ass with Splitter"...which is great at all, but it doesn't really disprove my argument.

He's also a significantly better player than Lopez.

[SpursFan86]

Sure, if you ignore all the arguments that Splitter is a better player and actually fits with Tim.

I don't think Splitter is so much better (when you take into account his durability issues) that he's worth the far bigger contract. That's what I'm arguing.

And again, I'm speaking strictly on the players and their contracts. Not about their fits in SA. I just said that Splitter is a better fit than Lopez for us.

[downunder]

If Duncan leaves next year how much will the Spurs need to pay Baynes ?

[Brunodf]

If Duncan leaves next year how much will the Spurs need to pay Baynes ?
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[tholdren]

Splitter sucks dixk. Blair him on the Spurs and in the mavs series. Baynes out plays him this year

[ElNono]

Sounds like you're arguing that Lopez is a better fit for us than Splitter was...in which case I'd probably agree. My initial comment was that Portland got a better deal when they missed out on Splitter and ended up getting Lopez for much cheaper. The only argument I've seen from people is "We ended up getting a ring and whooping Portland's ass with Splitter"...which is great at all, but it doesn't really disprove my argument.

Your argument is that Splitter and Lopez are basically the same player and should have the same value. That's simply not true.

[Mugen]

I don't think Splitter is so much better (when you take into account his durability issues) that he's worth the far bigger contract. That's what I'm arguing.

And again, I'm speaking strictly on the players and their contracts. Not about their fits in SA. I just said that Splitter is a better fit than Lopez for us.

They've played the same amount of games this year. Both are worthless outside the paint but Tiago is a much better finisher, better passer and a more versatile defender.

[SpursFan86]

Your argument is that Splitter and Lopez are basically the same player and should have the same value. That's simply not true.

No...my argument is that Lopez for 3 years/$15 million is a better deal than Splitter for 4 years/$36 million. There's a huge difference in those contracts. There's not a huge difference in their impact on the court.

[SpursFan86]

They've played the same amount of games this year. Both are worthless outside the paint but Tiago is a much better finisher, better passer and a more versatile defender.

1) Lopez over his career is shooting 66.4% at the rim. Splitter is shooting 68%. Splitter isn't a "much better finisher".

2) Lopez is only 26 years old, while Splitter is 30.

3) They've played the same amount of games this season, but if you look at their careers, Lopez definitely appears to be more durable.

Yes, Splitter is better than Lopez. No, I don't think he's so much better that it makes up for the very noticeable difference in their contracts.

[Chinook]

No...my argument is that Lopez for 3 years/$15 million is a better deal than Splitter for 4 years/$36 million. There's a huge difference in those contracts. There's not a huge difference in their impact on the court.

First, that is pretty much the argument that ElNono said you made. Second, that wasn't even the point. The point is that Portland didn't get a better "deal" on Lopez' contract. They should regret the Spurs matching, because the player they missed out on completely ruined their chances of making a deep post-season run. Moreover, it's not like Portland needed that extra $4 Million for other players, so the actual difference in "value" for their contracts is minimal.

Portland would probably be a true contender with Splitter instead of Lopez. Robin is definitely cheaper, but he's a backup on a team with a championship-caliber big rotation. I'd love to have Lopez on that contract to back up Splitter, though.

[SpursFan86]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think Portland getting 20-25 mpg of Splitter rather than 30 mpg of Lopez would make them legitimate contenders.

[ElNono]

No...my argument is that Lopez for 3 years/$15 million is a better deal than Splitter for 4 years/$36 million. There's a huge difference in those contracts. There's not a huge difference in their impact on the court.

But that's exactly what I said. You think there's not a big difference between the two of them, and I disagree with that.

[ElNono]

And FWIW, I'm aware Splitter has had a down season so far, but that doesn't cloud what he's done before...

[therealtruth]

But that's exactly what I said. You think there's not a big difference between the two of them, and I disagree with that.

Exactly. Tiago's BBIQ is really what makes him such a great player and that doesn't show up directly in individual stats.

[ElNono]

Exactly. Tiago's BBIQ is really what makes him such a great player and that doesn't show up directly in individual stats.

Tiago is a professional that has made a career before even making the NBA. I'm not even sure it's fair to compare them.

Robin Lopez looks like a good, young big, that's still learning, and I'm sure if he keeps playing well, he'll get his $9m payday one day.

[testies]

This discussion is so ridiculous. We rang, he was important piece. Who cares.

[Godbama]

I don't want to come off as one of those one issue Spursforum posters by any means, but shiiiiit I feel way better about this contract than what we gave Tony Parker tbh, his historical contributions notwithstanding. What's more likely, a 30 year old big man returning to some semblance of form or a 32 year old PG with tons of playoff minutes who relied heavily on pre-injury quickness? Splitter has way less ground to cover in returning to form than TP, so god forbid Parker doesn't bounce back that contract we gave him is gonna be my real payroll bummer going forward. Even with Diaw inconsistent as well.

[BatManu20]

Ah, how quickly people forget how important Splitter was last year against Portland, Memphis, and especially Dallas, on our way to 5. He's earned it, and then some.

[timtonymanu]

Some people really underrate Splitter's impact.

[Sean Cagney]

Some people really underrate Splitter's impact.

I agree with you fully, they really do.

[therealtruth]

Some people really underrate Splitter's impact.

Yeah. When him and TD are manning the middle it allows Kawhi and Green to aggressively defend on the wings. That improves our defense and makes us a much better team. In general teams want to start their best defensive players because that allows you to start the game with a defensive mindset that makes it hard for the other team to get it going on offense.

[Ice009]

Splitter's been really good the last two games. He's been very good defensively. This is more of what I am looking for from Tiago.

He's been a bit more aggressive on offense too, which is a good thing.

[tholdren]

Splitter absolutely earned his money last year, that makes the contract worth it, regardless of what else happens IMO..

He went toe to toe with blair who makes about a ninth of what splitter makes. Splitter was thoroughly outplayed by blair. This can't even be discussed it was so one sided.

Splitter played a great portland series, then too shitty to play in the biggest series.

He can't rebound, can't shoot, and is overrated defensively.

With all that being said he will be needed for minutes for the Spurs to go deep.

It's not as bad as watching Antonio mcdyess but it's getting close

[K...]

Is blair even in the league right now? I looked it up:

Washington Wizards Previous 10: Games 6.5 minutes .500 FG 2.0 Rebounds 3 points.

Blair and splitter went toe to toe on offense for a time. Blair was definitely more motivated and useful when both he and splitter were on the team at the same time. But last years playoff splitter obliterates any version of Blair you can dream up. It's hard not to accuse you of ignoring the defensive side of each man's game.

I think what you mean to say is that Splitter has been poor this year and is frustrating to watch because he's no a dominant big man. He's not exactly a finesse big, just a skilled rather than athletic big. That's why he's a starting caliber big while Blair sits on the bench and Lopez is only a borderline starting quality big.

Basically, if you prefer the spurs have an energy guy that's fine. Just don't say Splitter has been disappointing. Even with the injuries he's still the best big that the spurs could realistically afford.

[tholdren]

Is blair even in the league right now? I looked it up:

Washington Wizards Previous 10: Games 6.5 minutes .500 FG 2.0 Rebounds 3 points.

Blair and splitter went toe to toe on offense for a time. Blair was definitely more motivated and useful when both he and splitter were on the team at the same time. But last years playoff splitter obliterates any version of Blair you can dream up. It's hard not to accuse you of ignoring the defensive side of each man's game.

I think what you mean to say is that Splitter has been poor this year and is frustrating to watch because he's no a dominant big man. He's not exactly a finesse big, just a skilled rather than athletic big. That's why he's a starting caliber big while Blair sits on the bench and Lopez is only a borderline starting quality big.

Basically, if you prefer the spurs have an energy guy that's fine. Just don't say Splitter has been disappointing. Even with the injuries he's still the best big that the spurs could realistically afford.

Could care less about what blair is doing now. He fucked splitter from behind in the mavs series. And splitter is a girl

[Chinook]

Could care less about what blair is doing now. He fucked splitter from behind in the mavs series. And splitter is a girl

:rolleyes pretty sure Tiago was too busy taking Dirk's cookie to worry about what Blair was doing.

[Johnny RIngo]

:rolleyes pretty sure Tiago was too busy taking Dirk's cookie to worry about what Blair was doing.

:tu

tholdren doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Blair's a marginal player in the NBA.

[ducks]

Splitter's been really good the last two games. He's been very good defensively. This is more of what I am looking for from Tiago.

He's been a bit more aggressive on offense too, which is a good thing.

:flag:

[Brunodf]

He went toe to toe with Dirk who made about three times as much as splitter makes. Dirk was thoroughly outplayed by Splitter 5 out of 7 games. This can't even be discussed it was so one sided.


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[look_at_g_shred]

Bump

[therealtruth]

If you look at the 5-man units on nba.com I think the starting lineup of TP, DG, KL, TD, TS leads the league in net rating. If the bench can hold up in the playoffs I don't see why they can't win #6.