Obama's Trayvon Problem

[boobie4three]

Obama's Trayvon Problem

By Luther Campbell Thursday, Jul 4 2013

I hope President Barack Obama is tuning in to the George Zimmerman murder trial. It is showing off his greatest failure.
Last week, media pundits, trial commentators, and internet racists ridiculed Rachel Jeantel, the 19-year-old star witness who was on the phone with Trayvon Martin right before Zimmerman shot the boy. This cruel crew made fun of her manner of speech and her embarrassing admission that she cannot read or write in cursive.


Her shortcomings personify the first African-American commander-in-chief's refusal to help this nation's blacks obtain the same opportunities he and his wife had. First-class education helped the first couple become articulate, productive members of society.

Jeantel represents the Obama generation. She began high school in 2009, the first year of his first term. She is one of the hundreds of thousands of African-American children who were supposed to benefit from his promise that change was coming. Almost halfway into the president's second term, most kids attending inner-city high schools speak like Jeantel; that includes everyone from those struggling to maintain a 2.0 grade point average to honor students posting better than a 3.5. I understand Jeantel's plight, because as a public high school volunteer, I mentor teenagers just like her. But when no one is teaching children how to speak proper English, how can anyone expect them to survive in the real world? Forget crumbling on the witness stand. They won't stand a chance during a job interview.

Obama has been too busy spying on Americans and quibbling with Republicans over immigration reform to help fix illiteracy, the greatest challenge facing educators at inner-city schools such as Miami Norland High, where Jeantel is a senior. Just as Obama couldn't do squat about banning guns that kill thousands of African-Americans in cities like Miami and his hometown of Chicago, he has done little to improve literacy and grammar skills of black teenagers like Jeantel.

I want our first black president to do only one thing: Afford all African-American children the opportunity to speak the same way he does. The clock is ticking on his legacy.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2013-07-04/news/obama-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman/

[Th'Pusher]

Boobie, can you provide some specific example of policy Obama might have proposed to effect they type of change described in the OP?

[coyotes_geek]

Stupid Obama. It's been 5 years, why hasn't he gotten rid of ebonics yet? This is all his fault.

[boobie4three]

Boobie, can you provide some specific example of policy Obama might have proposed to effect they type of change described in the OP?

Not a policy wonk so I have no idea, but it seems to me that it wouldn't be that hard to enact changes that would ensure that a high school graduate could at least read her diploma.

[ohmwrecker]

Obama has been president for 19 years? Time flies.

[Th'Pusher]

Not a policy wonk so I have no idea, but it seems to me that it wouldn't be that hard to enact changes that would ensure that a high school graduate could at least read her diploma.

Yep, you're not a policy wonk. Though you do appear to be completely naive to the political process and you clearly have not paid attention DC politics the last 5 years. Stick to rooting for Zimmerman where you at least appear to have some vague, although biased, grasp of what you're discussing.

[boobie4three]

Inner city charter schools have proven to be successful, but the teacher's union fights tooth and nail to prevent them. I imagine Obama is reluctant to take them on over this issue because they've got him deep in their back pocket.

[ChumpDumper]

What about all the stupid white kids? Which president gets the blame for them?

[boobie4three]

Yep, you're not a policy wonk. Though you do appear to be completely naive to the political process and you clearly have not paid attention DC politics the last 5 years. Stick to rooting for Zimmerman where you at least appear to have some vague, although biased, grasp of what you're discussing.
A President with ANY kind of leadership skills could create a groundswell to enact change, but alas, this guy has none.

[boobie4three]

What about all the stupid white kids? Which president gets the blame for them?

The problem is predominately in the inner cities. I shouldn't have to scare up any data to prove that.

[Th'Pusher]

A President with ANY kind of leadership skills could create a groundswell to enact change, but alas, this guy has none.
Who was the last president with ANY kind of leadership skills and why did they chose to do nothing about this issue? You realize this isn't a problem that's sprung up in the last 5 years, right?

[ChumpDumper]

The problem is predominately in the inner cities. I shouldn't have to scare up any data to prove that.Yes, you should. Show us there are no stupid white kids anywhere.

[coyotes_geek]

Not a policy wonk so I have no idea, but it seems to me that it wouldn't be that hard to enact changes that would ensure that a high school graduate could at least read her diploma.

If it weren't that hard to do, it would have happened a long, long time ago.

[Th'Pusher]

Seriously boobie, stick to the Zimmerman trial. In that regard you just look like a racist. When you stray from that topic, you show yourself to be a complete and total moron.

[Rogue]

Obama never really wants to improve people's intelligence and literacy levels because he would lose their votes if people get smarter. his rhetorics could only deceive those people who were either undereducated (like my goddess) or those who were born stupid, and those are the majority of population unfortunately which was why he got elected in the first place

[boobie4three]

Who was the last president with ANY kind of leadership skills and why did they chose to do nothing about this issue? You realize this isn't a problem that's sprung up in the last 5 years, right?

Evidently this writer wants to blame Obama.


Obama has been too busy spying on Americans and quibbling with Republicans over immigration reform to help fix illiteracy, the greatest challenge facing educators at inner-city schools such as Miami Norland High, where Jeantel is a senior. Just as Obama couldn't do squat about banning guns that kill thousands of African-Americans in cities like Miami and his hometown of Chicago, he has done little to improve literacy and grammar skills of black teenagers like Jeantel.

I want our first black president to do only one thing: Afford all African-American children the opportunity to speak the same way he does. The clock is ticking on his legacy.

[boobie4three]

Obama never really wants to improve people's intelligence and literacy levels because he would lose their votes if people get smarter. his rhetorics could only deceive those people who were either undereducated (like my goddess) or those who were born stupid, and those are the majority of population unfortunately which was why he got elected in the first place


Keeping them on the Plantation, so to speak.

[ChumpDumper]

Evidently this writer wants to blame Obama.


Obama has been too busy spying on Americans and quibbling with Republicans over immigration reform to help fix illiteracy, the greatest challenge facing educators at inner-city schools such as Miami Norland High, where Jeantel is a senior. Just as Obama couldn't do squat about banning guns that kill thousands of African-Americans in cities like Miami and his hometown of Chicago, he has done little to improve literacy and grammar skills of black teenagers like Jeantel.

I want our first black president to do only one thing: Afford all African-American children the opportunity to speak the same way he does. The clock is ticking on his legacy.
He wants Obama to send all the black kids to school in Indonesia?

lol 2Live Crew.

[Trill Clinton]

lol@uncle luke...anyways, only thing i agree on is that blacks should be awarded a free college education. this country was built on our ancestors backs and we got nothing in return. the indians got theirs so i want mine.

[Rogue]

Evidently this writer wants to blame Obama.


Obama has been too busy spying on Americans and quibbling with Republicans over immigration reform to help fix illiteracy, the greatest challenge facing educators at inner-city schools such as Miami Norland High, where Jeantel is a senior. Just as Obama couldn't do squat about banning guns that kill thousands of African-Americans in cities like Miami and his hometown of Chicago, he has done little to improve literacy and grammar skills of black teenagers like Jeantel.

I want our first black president to do only one thing: Afford all African-American children the opportunity to speak the same way he does. The clock is ticking on his legacy.


tit for tat imho, even if the writer was actually blaming him. Obama is the biggest blame-card player to ever take office as the US president, and what the writer said was nothing but the plain truth imho. Dude didn't only fail to live up to his promises, he also made things worse, much worse than when he first took office. Despite him being a terrible president, however, he always has the blame-card to play and to shield himself from criticism, and he can always spot the right target to blame no matter it is GWB or China

[Th'Pusher]

Evidently this writer wants to blame Obama.


Obama has been too busy spying on Americans and quibbling with Republicans over immigration reform to help fix illiteracy, the greatest challenge facing educators at inner-city schools such as Miami Norland High, where Jeantel is a senior. Just as Obama couldn't do squat about banning guns that kill thousands of African-Americans in cities like Miami and his hometown of Chicago, he has done little to improve literacy and grammar skills of black teenagers like Jeantel.

I want our first black president to do only one thing: Afford all African-American children the opportunity to speak the same way he does. The clock is ticking on his legacy.


The writer has unrealistic expectations and I'd bet my left nut he voted for Obama in 2012, even after Obama did jack shit for the black community in his initial term. He's unhappy with Obama? The line forms to the left.

Saying it's 'not that hard' to fix our public education system, particularly in poor environments, as you did, is incredibly naive and stupid.

Without googling, could you even tell me who's the secretary of education?

[Ignignokt]

Yes, you should. Show us there are no stupid white kids anywhere.

That standard doesn't disprove or prove boobie's argument. Can you provide a better metric?

[Th'Pusher]

Wow. I should have bothered to actually click on that link. :lol "Writer"

[ChumpDumper]

That author's failure to pay child support is also Obama's fault.

[ChumpDumper]

That standard doesn't disprove or prove boobie's argument. Can you provide a better metric?What is his argument?

[Ignignokt]

The writer has unrealistic expectations and I'd bet my left nut he voted for Obama in 2012, even after Obama did jack shit for the black community in his initial term. He's unhappy with Obama? The line forms to the left.

Saying it's 'not that hard' to fix our public education system, particularly in poor environments, as you did, is incredibly naive and stupid.

Without googling, could you even tell me who's the secretary of education?


What's the point of voting for obama if he wasn't going to exact the change he promised? If your awnser is because you only had two options, don't we have primaries, and didn't he make such promises in those races?

[Ignignokt]

What is his argument?

So you've given up on trying to disprove his argument and provide a better metric because you don't know his argument?

[ChumpDumper]

So you've given up on trying to disprove his argument and provide a better metric because you don't know his argument?I asked him to prove there are no stupid white kids. I never said there were no stupid black kids.

You don't know what his argument is either.

[Ignignokt]

lol@uncle luke...anyways, only thing i agree on is that blacks should be awarded a free college education. this country was built on our ancestors backs and we got nothing in return. the indians got theirs so i want mine.

No it wasn't. Industrialization not agriculture is what got us to going from subsistence farming and living to having a vibrant middle class. Brazil had slavery, and so did africa, so to say that slave labor brought any country into the developed nation status illustrates historic and economic ignorance.

You guys don't deserve anything except a chance to compete like all the rest, you had no claim on this land like the indians. If you want restitution, the only thing you're owned is your ancestors to be returned back to africa, and that would not be possible. Unless you think america should pay to ship all blacks back to africa on the taxpayer dime, but then you realized that your in this country both by fortune-good or bad.

[Th'Pusher]

What's the point of voting for obama if he wasn't going to exact the change he promised? If your awnser is because you only had two options, don't we have primaries, and didn't he make such promises in those races?

No. The is effectively no primaries for incumbent presidents where it was evident he had failed to deliver on the promises of his first term. I saw no one in the republican primary that appealed to me. I do know of one person who would have been less effective at delivering on his primary promises should he have assumed office than was Barry - Ron Paul.

[Trill Clinton]

That author's failure to pay child support is also Obama's fault.

:lmao

[Trill Clinton]

No it wasn't. Industrialization not agriculture is what got us to going from subsistence farming and living to having a vibrant middle class. Brazil had slavery, and so did africa, so to say that slave labor brought any country into the developed nation status illustrates historic and economic ignorance.

You guys don't deserve anything except a chance to compete like all the rest, you had no claim on this land like the indians. If you want restitution, the only thing you're owned is your ancestors to be returned back to africa, and that would not be possible. Unless you think america should pay to ship all blacks back to africa on the taxpayer dime, but then you realized that your in this country both by fortune-good or bad.

indians got theirs, i want mine

[Ignignokt]

I asked him to prove there are no stupid white kids. I never said there were no stupid black kids.

You don't know what his argument is either.

But his argument was never about there being no stupid white kids, it was about obama's failure to institute any policy to affect positive change in public schools.

I don't know how you're third rate UTSA rhetorical devices prove or disprove his assertion.

[Ignignokt]

indians got theirs, i want mine

your what?

you're better off than your african brothers who are not living in this relatively prosperous enviornoment. I think the sacrifice of 4 million dead northerners and southerners over your right to be free was the price.


Even if we were to give all blacks land collectively, history hasn't been kind to black management of territories.

http://www.fivefeetoffury.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/hiroshima-detroit.jpg.pagespeed.ce.F7UPG9H-IR.jpg



what's more devastating?

The a-bomb or the n-bomb imho??

[boobie4three]

The writer has unrealistic expectations and I'd bet my left nut he voted for Obama in 2012, even after Obama did jack shit for the black community in his initial term. He's unhappy with Obama? The line forms to the left.

Saying it's 'not that hard' to fix our public education system, particularly in poor environments, as you did, is incredibly naive and stupid.

Without googling, could you even tell me who's the secretary of education?

Arne Duncan. I knew that believe it or not. Ideas on how to improve inner city schools would carry more weight coming from a black poster. So who's black in here?....Besides me.

[George Gervin's Afro]

wasn't it the republicans who gutted the education budget in texas a couple of years ago? All of the teachers that lost their jobs should hold Obama accountable for that? Should the parents in TX blame Obama for the mess that Perry andthe GOP legislature created? Making class sizes larger in TX is Obama's fault? You guys will blame him for everything

[coyotes_geek]

Luther Campbell probably had more ability to influence education amongst african americans back during the peak of 2-Live's popularity than Obama does now, TBQH...

[TeyshaBlue]

indians got theirs, i want mine

You do not want what the Indians got.

[robinlopez.gif]

your what?

you're better off than your african brothers who are not living in this relatively prosperous enviornoment. I think the sacrifice of 4 million dead northerners and southerners over your right to be free was the price.


Even if we were to give all blacks land collectively, history hasn't been kind to black management of territories.

http://www.fivefeetoffury.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/hiroshima-detroit.jpg.pagespeed.ce.F7UPG9H-IR.jpg



what's more devastating?

The a-bomb or the n-bomb imho??

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/589434_o.gif

[coyotes_geek]

You do not want what the Indians got.

A free one-way ticket to the shitty parts of Oklahoma? (and no, that's not an oxymoron, it's relative)

[TeyshaBlue]

A free one-way ticket to the shitty parts of Oklahoma? (and no, that's not an oxymoron, it's relative)

They didn't exactly get the choice real estate in NM either.

[Trill Clinton]

You do not want what the Indians got.

i don't. i just want a free education, fam.

[Jacob1983]

This article is racist. Obama should help all kids, not just black kids. And isn't it racist that people think every black kid needs help because they're black?

[Wild Cobra]

Boobie, can you provide some specific example of policy Obama might have proposed to effect they type of change described in the OP?
Not to agree with Pusher, but really. This can't be blamed on Obomba.

[ChumpDumper]

But his argument was never about there being no stupid white kids, it was about obama's failure to institute any policy to affect positive change in public schools.Whose argument was that? 2 Live Crew's? Or whatever troll name that is?


I don't know how you're third rate UTSA rhetorical devices prove or disprove his assertion.Since I never set out to prove or disprove anything, your education has been a complete failure.

[ChumpDumper]

Arne Duncan. I knew that believe it or not. Ideas on how to improve inner city schools would carry more weight coming from a black poster. So who's black in here?....Besides me.You won't prove that last claim either tbh.

[Bill_Brasky]

lol@uncle luke...anyways, only thing i agree on is that blacks should be awarded a free college education. this country was built on our ancestors backs and we got nothing in return. the indians got theirs so i want mine.
I agree, would be majorly beneficial to society. A great leader puts people in a position to succeed, and blacks in this country haven't been put into that position. Only the hardest working most savvy ones are able to really make it and prosper, the rest are cast away while the dumb whites are entitled to their middle class lifestyle that their grandparents worked hard for and their parents helped sustain.

[boutons_deux]

Obama's Trayvon Problem

By Luther Campbell Thursday, Jul 4 2013

I want our first black president to do only one thing: Afford all African-American children the opportunity to speak the same way he does. The clock is ticking on his legacy.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2013-07-04/news/obama-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman/

:lol BoobieBird, ya got some real shitty sources, man. real shitty. :lol

Expecting Barry to get blacks to speak, act white? :lol

Wouldn't getting blacks to quit murdering blacks be a higher priority, as in excessively regulating gun owership? :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

lol@uncle luke...anyways, only thing i agree on is that blacks should be awarded a free college education. this country was built on our ancestors backs and we got nothing in return. the indians got theirs so i want mine.

Hardly a surprise there.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

lol@uncle luke...anyways, only thing i agree on is that blacks should be awarded a free college education. this country was built on our ancestors backs and we got nothing in return. the indians got theirs so i want mine.

Everyone should get close to a free education just like they do in every other modern country except 'Murica.

[Trill Clinton]

I agree, would be majorly beneficial to society. A great leader puts people in a position to succeed, and blacks in this country haven't been put into that position. Only the hardest working most savvy ones are able to really make it and prosper, the rest are cast away while the dumb whites are entitled to their middle class lifestyle that their grandparents worked hard for and their parents helped sustain.


Everyone should get close to a free education just like they do in every other modern country except 'Murica.

Yup, that's all i'm asking for is a chance for the most disenfranchised race to get a chance to succeed. Happy to see someone agrees with me.

[leemajors]

lol@uncle luke...anyways, only thing i agree on is that blacks should be awarded a free college education. this country was built on our ancestors backs and we got nothing in return. the indians got theirs so i want mine.

How about the Irish and the Chinese too?

[TeyshaBlue]

How about the Irish and the Chinese too?

Fuck'em. They're whiter.

[TeyshaBlue]

:lol BoobieBird, ya got some real shitty sources, man. real shitty. :lol



Extreme Irony Alert.

[Trill Clinton]

How about the Irish and the Chinese too?


Fuck'em. They're whiter.


"fair skin? you're in"


i think we went through a lot more and are still suffering from 400 years of oppression. just let me get my phd from Duke. that's all i want.

[leemajors]

the railroads were built on the backs of the chinese and irish, all i'm saying.

[Trill Clinton]

when chinese are being hung, shot, and are the butt of 90% of racism in America then holla at ya boy. i just want to go to Cal Berkeley for undergrad, is that too much to ask for?

[leemajors]

when chinese are being hung, shot, and are the butt of 90% of racism in America then holla at ya boy. i just want to go to Cal Berkeley for undergrad, is that too much to ask for?

the chinese didn't exactly have it easy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act

I think the chinese also know a little bit about racism in America, too. Maybe it is just that the "coolies" were the different looking people out west back then.

[boutons_deux]

Extreme Irony Alert.

TB :lol EXTREME content free post, shithead

[boutons_deux]

the chinese didn't exactly have it easy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act

I think the chinese also know a little bit about racism in America, too. Maybe it is just that the "coolies" were the different looking people out west back then.

The "Latinos" in the Americas are really Native Americans that came across from Asia the Ice Age :)

[TeyshaBlue]

:cryI got bitch slapped again!:cry

As if on cue. http://homerecording.com/bbs/images/smilies/facepalm.gif

[Trill Clinton]

the chinese didn't exactly have it easy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act

I think the chinese also know a little bit about racism in America, too. Maybe it is just that the "coolies" were the different looking people out west back then.

Well I can only speak for myself and others of my race. I have seen first hand how slavery, racism and the civil rights movement affected blacks long term.

[ChumpDumper]

How has slavery affected you personally?

[boutons_deux]

As if on cue. http://homerecording.com/bbs/images/smilies/facepalm.gif

TB :lol as if on cue! :lol

[boobie4three]

Well I can only speak for myself and others of my race. I have seen first hand how slavery, racism and the civil rights movement affected blacks long term.

Which one is you?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/cotton-pickers-1_zps3fd18a52.jpg

[TeyshaBlue]

TB :lol as if on cue! :lol

:cry Stop Stalking me!:cry

[boutons_deux]

http://www.upworthy.com/know-an-american-who-thinks-were-equal-show-them-what-this-guy-does-when-hes-stopped-by-a-cop

[Trill Clinton]

How has slavery affected you personally?

wow really? well besides the obvious racism and discrimination towards blacks due to hundreds of years of slavery, i lost a family member to a hate crime during the civil rights movement.

do you think blacks are owed reperations or at least a free education?

[TeyshaBlue]

Trill...that's a fair question and I would like to examine it in some detail. First off, I obviously lack your perspective...if I come across as naive or insensitive, keep this in mind. It's not a blanket apology, it just is what it is..and I'm often an asshole too boot. :lol
Anyway, if you're going to propose reparations, then it seems to me that you have to quantify and monetize loss to accomplish this. Otherwise, just throwing the checkbook out to be used as needed doesn't seem to be a very prudent approach. How would you characterize/quantify the loss?

[TeyshaBlue]

Feel free to completely reject my premise of quantification and substitute one of your own if needed.

[CosmicCowboy]

Feel free to completely reject my premise of quantification and substitute one of your own if needed.

I admit that he has clearly proven in this forum that the education system has failed him.

[TeyshaBlue]

Im talkin' to Trill. Feel free to start your own conversation with him.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I admit that he has clearly proven in this forum that the education system has failed him.

You're one to talk. Go prune a tree.

[Trill Clinton]

Trill...that's a fair question and I would like to examine it in some detail. First off, I obviously lack your perspective...if I come across as naive or insensitive, keep this in mind. It's not a blanket apology, it just is what it is..and I'm often an asshole too boot. :lol
Anyway, if you're going to propose reparations, then it seems to me that you have to quantify and monetize loss to accomplish this. Otherwise, just throwing the checkbook out to be used as needed doesn't seem to be a very prudent approach. How would you characterize/quantify the loss?

its all good, fam. first off, as horrible and evil as slavery was, there really is no legit way to quantify how much more a person's descendants suffered than the other. i really don't have an idea how to quantify or monetize it. i was having a conversation about reparations with my barber and while i mentioned a free college education to every african american, he countered with offering every african american family a 1/4 acre of land or a home.

i think it would be very dangerous to give people a lump sum of money. that's why i'm sticking with offering a education so they can have better opportunities or a home to get families off government assistance. i think most feel that entitlement programs like food stamps, housing, medicaid, etc are reparations but those programs do more harm than good for minorities. i just wish that my peers who are poverty stricken would see it the same way.

[TeyshaBlue]

its all good, fam. first off, as horrible and evil as slavery was, there really is no legit way to quantify how much more a person's descendants suffered than the other. i really don't have an idea how to quantify or monetize it. i was having a conversation about reparations with my barber and while i mentioned a free college education to every african american, he countered with offering every african american family a 1/4 acre of land or a home.

i think it would be very dangerous to give people a lump sum of money. that's why i'm sticking with offering a education so they can have better opportunities or a home to get families off government assistance. i think most feel that entitlement programs like food stamps, housing, medicaid, etc are reparations but those programs do more harm than good for minorities. i just wish that my peers who are poverty stricken would see it the same way.

That's a very well thought out response. Tough choice between education and a home, but from an administrative standpoint, the education would win hands down. Plus, there's a tax burden that goes with land and a house..that's the gift that keeps on giving.
That being said, I would support the education initiative with the caveat that the degrees are applicable. No theater arts degrees (I'm looking at my daughter here.:bang)...something that is actually marketable or usable. It's really a win/win when you factor in meaningful employment = less social $ outlay.

I would also support this policy for any student, but if we had to single out a population to start with, I'm in.

[Trill Clinton]

That's a very well thought out response. Tough choice between education and a home, but from an administrative standpoint, the education would win hands down. Plus, there's a tax burden that goes with land and a house..that's the gift that keeps on giving.
That being said, I would support the education initiative with the caveat that the degrees are applicable. No theater arts degrees (I'm looking at my daughter here.:bang)...something that is actually marketable or usable. It's really a win/win when you factor in meaningful employment = less social $ outlay.

I would also support this policy for any student, but if we had to single out a population to start with, I'm in.

well i already have my degree but i would love to upgrade to a better house lol. i agree with you and DOK that education should be free period.

[boobie4three]

well i already have my degree but i would love to upgrade to a better house lol. i agree with you and DOK that education should be free period.

Don't be a pushover dude. Have them throw in a brand new Caddy too.

[Trill Clinton]

Don't be a pushover dude. Have them throw in a brand new Caddy too.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Robin-Lopez-Suns-Bench-Shock-Reaction.gif

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Don't be a pushover dude. Have them throw in a brand new Caddy too.

A well educated workforce leads to a diverse and strong economy. It diminishes the rich poor gap and supports the middle class. It is a societal good.

When you make it a privilege instead, it becomes something that exacerbates the rich-poor gap and shrinks the middle class.

One thing that makes me laugh about so called 'conservatives' is that so many are making less than 6 figures. Acting like the GOP is going to look out for the common man is ignorant. It reminds me of the relationship between the southern 'gentry' and the rest of whitey in the slavery era. They even use the same fears for the social control.

[boobie4three]

A well educated workforce leads to a diverse and strong economy. It diminishes the rich poor gap and supports the middle class. It is a societal good.

When you make it a privilege instead, it becomes something that exacerbates the rich-poor gap and shrinks the middle class.

One thing that makes me laugh about so called 'conservatives' is that so many are making less than 6 figures. Acting like the GOP is going to look out for the common man is ignorant. It reminds me of the relationship between the southern 'gentry' and the rest of whitey in the slavery era. They even use the same fears for the social control.
You're hopeless.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You're hopeless.

You're an inarticulate ideologist. I can demonstrate this by once again pointing out your inability to articulate a supporting argument once again and the flippant comment about a Cadillac.

The relationship between socioeconomics and education is well established empirically. If you don't believe me then I will be more than happy to link a multitude of scholarly works that outline how this is so. Hell, they teach it in every economics class that has ever been.

Take note of the above. That is how to articulate what you mean and why you mean it. I would be more than happy to walk you through some exercises that would help you with this skill. You clearly lack it.

[2centsworth]

A well educated workforce leads to a diverse and strong economy. It diminishes the rich poor gap and supports the middle class. It is a societal good.

When you make it a privilege instead, it becomes something that exacerbates the rich-poor gap and shrinks the middle class.

One thing that makes me laugh about so called 'conservatives' is that so many are making less than 6 figures. Acting like the GOP is going to look out for the common man is ignorant. It reminds me of the relationship between the southern 'gentry' and the rest of whitey in the slavery era. They even use the same fears for the social control.

I'm no longer a member of the GOP, but there are two values I share with most GOPers.

1. Self-Reliance
2. Anything is possible attitude if you work hard enough

[boobie4three]

You're an inarticulate ideologist. I can demonstrate this by once again pointing out your inability to articulate a supporting argument once again and the flippant comment about a Cadillac.

The relationship between socioeconomics and education is well established empirically. If you don't believe me then I will be more than happy to link a multitude of scholarly works that outline how this is so. Hell, they teach it in every economics class that has ever been.

Take note of the above. That is how to articulate what you mean and why you mean it. I would be more than happy to walk you through some exercises that would help you with this skill. You clearly lack it.


You've got to be the stupidest mother fucker to ever come down the pike. Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it dipshit?

[boobie4three]

You're an inarticulate ideologist. I can demonstrate this by once again pointing out your inability to articulate a supporting argument once again and the flippant comment about a Cadillac.

The relationship between socioeconomics and education is well established empirically. If you don't believe me then I will be more than happy to link a multitude of scholarly works that outline how this is so. Hell, they teach it in every economics class that has ever been.

Take note of the above. That is how to articulate what you mean and why you mean it. I would be more than happy to walk you through some exercises that would help you with this skill. You clearly lack it.

And another thing shitbird. I bet that Caddy joke didn't bother Trill one bit, so go fuck yourself you worthless piece of shit.

[Th'Pusher]

^ Someone just came to the realization that he's stupid and not happy about it.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You've got to be the stupidest mother fucker to ever come down the pike. Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it dipshit?

Do you really think that anyone buys this?

I can only suppose that you are either trying to get a rise out of me or trying to make yourself feel better.

If you are trying to make anything resembling a compelling argument you have a long way to go. All you are doing is again showing that you are inarticulate. Bravo.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm no longer a member of the GOP, but there are two values I share with most GOPers.

1. Self-Reliance
2. Anything is possible attitude if you work hard enough

Both are ideology. We just approach things entirely different.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

Take note of the above. That is how to articulate what you mean and why you mean it. I would be more than happy to walk you through some exercises that would help you with this skill. You clearly lack it.

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[scroteface]

"fair skin? you're in"


i think we went through a lot more and are still suffering from 400 years of oppression. just let me get my phd from Duke. that's all i want.

your dumb coon ass couldn't pass the classes tbh

[scroteface]

when chinese are being hung, shot, and are the butt of 90% of racism in America then holla at ya boy. i just want to go to Cal Berkeley for undergrad, is that too much to ask for?

this happened as recently as the 1930's out in Tyler, Tx. a black guy raped a white woman and the town stormed the courthouse, beat him to death cut off his wang and burned him alive, then drug his body through the streets and hung it in the middle of town and lit a fire underneath it. we're going to go back to these times if these coons actually try to riot or attack whites after zimmerman gets declared innocent tbh.

[2centsworth]

Both are ideology. We just approach things entirely different.

I would like to hear you're approach.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

2. Anything is possible attitude if you work hard enough

That's not a value, it's a naive bullshit belief people use to either give themselves hope for a hopeless future or make themselves feel less guilty about being born on 3rd base so they can convince themselves they personally hit a triple.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Don't be a pushover dude. Have them throw in a brand new Caddy too.

The fact you associate a free education with a free Cadillac demonstrates a gross lack of education.

[scroteface]

i think he was making fun of the guy tbh, the whole idea of dumb coons feeling entitled to free stuff

[KingsFanWithoutName]

I would like to hear you're approach.

Same here, guy/gal just seems to drop truth bombs.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I would like to hear you're approach.

Empirical.

I do not speak in gross generalities like 'anything is possible' instead I look to specifics ie 'is X possible given situation Y.'

I do not consider ideology such as 'self-reliance.' Very few people have ever existed that have not relied on someone else to cope. Instead, I look at it as 'can I do X by myself or do I need help?'

[FuzzyLumpkins]

i think he was making fun of the guy tbh, the whole idea of dumb coons feeling entitled to free stuff

I would bet on Trill given the Standford IQ test. You should stick to one account.

[scroteface]

Don't quote me queer

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Don't quote me queer

:lol

[KingsFanWithoutName]

Empirical.

I do not speak in gross generalities like 'anything is possible' instead I look to specifics ie 'is X possible given situation Y.'

I do not consider ideology such as 'self-reliance.' Very few people have ever existed that have not relied on someone else to cope. Instead, I look at it as 'can I do X by myself or do I need help?'


I can't think of a single person, although I do think of myself as pretty damn self reliant. Who are these people you speak of?

[2centsworth]

That's not a value, it's a naive bullshit belief people use to either give themselves hope for a hopeless future or make themselves feel less guilty about being born on 3rd base so they can convince themselves they personally hit a triple.

, I was born on the bench in Bedford Stuyvesant Brooklyn to a single mother with a 10th grade education. I'm relatively successful today because it's never hopeless.

[2centsworth]

Empirical.

I do not speak in gross generalities like 'anything is possible' instead I look to specifics ie 'is X possible given situation Y.'

I do not consider ideology such as 'self-reliance.' Very few people have ever existed that have not relied on someone else to cope. Instead, I look at it as 'can I do X by myself or do I need help?'

So do you believe there's enough opportunity for people to pull themselves out of poverty. Not to say more opportunity shouldn't be created, but as it stands today, are the opportunities there?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So do you believe there's enough opportunity for people to pull themselves out of poverty. Not to say more opportunity shouldn't be created, but as it stands today, are the opportunities there?

There are considerably less opportunities for people born into poverty today than people born into poverty 30-40 years ago. Baby boomers use bullshit phrases like, "The foam ALWAYS rises to the top!" because that's how it was when they were growing up. I went to high school with idk how many kids who worked 10x as hard as I did but nothing was going to create as much opportunity for them as I had because of what I was born with.

[2centsworth]

There are considerably less opportunities for people born into poverty today than people born into poverty 30-40 years ago. Baby boomers use bullshit phrases like, "The foam ALWAYS rises to the top!" because that's how it was when they were growing up. I went to high school with idk how many kids who worked 10x as hard as I did but nothing was going to create as much opportunity for them as I had because of what I was born with.

there was considerably more violence in Brooklyn 30 years ago. Now it's a hip place. As far as opportunity, rich people do have more because they have access to capital. However, more times than not, rich kids who don't appreciate the value of that capital usually waste the opportunities they were given. That capital goes to booze, drugs and women.

I was born and grew-up poor, so I know a little bit more about how to getting out, self-reliance and an anything is possible attitude is the foundation. Not to say additional help shouldn't be given.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So do you believe there's enough opportunity for people to pull themselves out of poverty. Not to say more opportunity shouldn't be created, but as it stands today, are the opportunities there?

If you want me to play with hypothetical then you need to give me specific hypotheticals. All I am getting is more ideology here. We just view this differently.

As for the general question, I do not think that all poor people are lazy and the solution to their problem is just to work harder. That's been a long standing meme and as the contract with america demonstrated, it doesn't bear out in practice.

The minimum wage is below the poverty line and unemployment is what it is. All the while school funding is shrinking and more and more wealthy partisans are attempting to not have to pay for public education.

[Oh, Gee!!]

obama needs to hurry up and convict zimmerman so all these illiterate black kids can learn to read