$250 League - Rules and Settings Discussion

[Guru of Nothing]

Before putting the league charter and rules document down in writing, I want us to clear up some of the important points.

(1) First up, trading. How do you want controversial trades (trades that reek of collusion) handled? Honestly, I'm in favor of having the final say-so myself; it is for situations like this that leagues even have a commish. That said, a simple majority can set the rules such that a trade can be overturned by a 6 out of 10 vote (the two principles involved in the trade do not get to vote).

Personally, as commish, I'd be reluctant to overturn any trade unless it was blatant foul-play. In other words, zero-tolerance for collusion, but I'll allow stupidity (within reason).

If we opt for 6 out of 10 to veto, that's cool with me too. Less for me to concern myself with as commish.

(2) Weekly/Bi-Weekly prizes: Perhaps I assume too much, but I think the majority favors 14x100 dollar payouts vs. 7x200. I also assume everyone is cool with the 1000,400,125,75 breakdown on playoff prizes.

(3) Scoring - yardage - I like rushing and receiving set at the standard of 1 point per 10 yards; passing at 1 point per 40 yards; all TDs = 6 points.

(4) No points for reception. Personally, I like 1 point per reception, but that was roundly rejected last year. Anyone want to speak up on this?

Speak up and speak loudly on this. If I've said it once I've said it one thousand times, by and large, I don't care what settings we use, so long as they are agreed upon and locked before we draft.

Apologies for not having a formal document drafted, but if we come to a consensus on all this, the document will fall into place very quickly.

Adios.

[Guru of Nothing]

Having thought about it for a few minutes, I think I'm in favor of 6 out of 10 overturning a trade, for this season, especially in light of the fact we have newcomers to the league taking a leap of faith with their $250. Perhaps next year once we are all more familiar with another that responsibility can be turned back over to the commissioner.

Here's to no bad trades.

[Mr Dio]

I agree w/a majority vote & no collusion tolerated.

I agree w/a $100 every week payout for the highest scoring team.
If there is a tie what would be the tiebreaker(s) again?

I agree w/the 1pt for 10yds rush/rcv & 6 pts for TD.

Pts for reception. I would/could roll with whatever.

[Guru of Nothing]

That was the "perfect" reply Mr. Dio.

Everyone else, please follow suit with your best Joe "Just the facts" Friday imitation.

Regarding ties, I say take the high scorer on the bench and drill down until the tie is broken.

[Mr Dio]

Regarding ties, I say take the high scorer on the bench and drill down until the tie is broken

I concur.

[Kori Ellis]

I agree w/a majority vote & no collusion tolerated.

I agree w/a $100 every week payout for the highest scoring team.
And the tie breaker as the bench points.

I agree rush/rcv/TD points.

Hell no on pts per reception.

[Guru of Nothing]

Wow, so far, I'm batting 1.000, I think.

[kris]

No PPR. I agree with everything else. What about my proposed hike in negative points for missed fgs in the original discussion?

[Guru of Nothing]

1-20 miss (-4)
21-30 miss (-3)
31-40 miss (-2)
41+ miss (-1)



Field Goals Made:
00-39 yards = 3 points
40-49 yards = 4 points
50-59 yards = 5 points
>> 60 yards = 6 points

Field Goals Missed:
10-19 yards = (-2) points
20-29 yards = (-1) point


I'm in favor of the current league settings.

[Kori Ellis]

I agree, I'm not in favor of getting penalized for missed field goals from over 30.

[kris]

In the opening extended version of the rules (in this topic) there is 1 point for 40 yards passing, but in the original rules it is 1 point for 30 yards passing. I vote for 30 yards passing. Also, rushing for a 2 point conversion is = to 0 points. I lobby for 2 points a conversion or at least 1 point. On the topic of rushing, I noticed RBs receive .67 points per 10 yards and WR receive .80 per 10 yards. I would like RBs to get the same amount of points. Fourth, WRs have (-2) for fumbles lost but RBs have nothing denoted. I think they should have (-2) points also for a fumble lost. Last, on the missed field goals subject, I still would like to appeal to other members of the league to see if they are interested. Does it take a majority vote to get a rule implemented?

If so, and a majority does not support my proposed points, I would like to submit the following.

1-19 yard fg missed (-3)
20-29 yard fg missed (-2)
30-49 yard fg missed (-1)

[Mr Dio]

1-19 yard fg missed (-3)
20-29 yard fg missed (-2)
30-49 yard fg missed (-1)

Field Goals Made:
00-39 yards = 3 points
40-49 yards = 4 points
50-59 yards = 5 points
>> 60 yards = 6 points

I like the above points.

[Kori Ellis]

I don't like negative points for FG's in the 40's at all. I would deal for -1 in the 30's, but not 40's.

[Guru of Nothing]

Regarding rushing and receiving yards, I want simplicity.

100 yards rushing = 10 points; 100 yards receiving = 10 points

Document arriving in a neighborhood near you soon.

I stilll favor generic scoring for kickers, simply because I do not want to factor kickers into my pre-draft analysis. I'm biased.

[kris]

I think that's too much for WRs and RBs. I vote for 8 points per 100 yards.

[Mr Dio]

Regarding rushing and receiving yards, I want simplicity.
100 yards rushing = 10 points; 100 yards receiving = 10 points

OK, for simplicity the above is OK.

I've taken away the NEG point for missed FG over 39yds.
I could go with the GoN suggestion as well or the below points.

1-19 yard fg missed (-3)
20-29 yard fg missed (-2)
30-39 yard fg missed (-1)

Field Goals Made:
00-39 yards = 3 points
40-49 yards = 4 points
50-59 yards = 5 points
>> 60 yards = 6 points

[Kori Ellis]

Update on who has paid:

Guru - Paid
TPark - Paid
me - Paid
timvp - Paid
Perry - Paid (Kris has check)
Kris - 1 week
Dio - 1 week
ASF - 1-2 weeks
Donald - Paid
Jeff - Paid
JohnnyBlaze - making payments

[Mr Dio]

So we are realistically 1-2 wks from deciding draft order?

Blaze, this year Sundays are going to be like Saturday nights for you man..You're GOING DOWN!

[Guru of Nothing]

Hola folks.

I detest drudgery, hence no "final" league settings document. Actually, I was hoping to see more feedback on the "setting the settings," but it appears everyone is like me - just want to know what they are and lock them down before the draft.

I will go with the aforementioned "6 out of 10" can veto a trade. I don't really like it, but it seems to safest route to go in light of the fact we all don't really know each other yet. I'll want to kick around alternatives next year.

Regarding points per yards for receiving and rushing, Kris and I seemed to pitted against one another here - he wants 8 points per 100, I want 10 points per 100. I want more feedback on this.

Who needs an invite from FoxSports to join the league?

[Guru of Nothing]

1-19 yard fg missed (-3)
20-29 yard fg missed (-2)
30-39 yard fg missed (-1)

Field Goals Made:
00-39 yards = 3 points
40-49 yards = 4 points
50-59 yards = 5 points
>> 60 yards = 6 points

I'm rolling with this.

[Kori Ellis]

Who needs an invite from FoxSports to join the league?

Have Donald and Jeff been given the information?

If not, I'll PM you their email addresses.

[Guru of Nothing]

Have Donald and Jeff been given the information?

If not, I'll PM you their email addresses.

Please do PM me their emails. I think I have Jeff's, but it's at work.

Thanks.

[kris]

In the opening extended version of the rules (in this topic) there is 1 point for 40 yards passing, but in the original rules it is 1 point for 30 yards passing. I vote for 30 yards passing. Also, rushing for a 2 point conversion is = to 0 points. I lobby for 2 points a conversion or at least 1 point. On the topic of rushing, I noticed RBs receive .67 points per 10 yards and WR receive .80 per 10 yards. I would like RBs to get the same amount of points. Fourth, WRs have (-2) for fumbles lost but RBs have nothing denoted. I think they should have (-2) points also for a fumble lost. Last, on the missed field goals subject, I still would like to appeal to other members of the league to see if they are interested. Does it take a majority vote to get a rule implemented?

If so, and a majority does not support my proposed points, I would like to submit the following.

1-19 yard fg missed (-3)
20-29 yard fg missed (-2)
30-49 yard fg missed (-1)


I noticed some of my concerns did not reach the table, so I'll quote myself. As far as the field goals, I propose this alteration:

1-19 yard fg missed (-4)
20-29 yard fg missed (-3)
30-39 yard fg missed (-2)

Let me explain my thinking behind the missed fgs. 1) I like the idea of negative points since it gives a team behind in the count a chance to comeback. 2) These bumped field goal (-) points give a little more importance to having a good kicker. 3) 1-19 yard field goals are rarely attempted.

Any more opinions on the points per 100 yards for rushers and receivers?

[AlamoSpursFan]

Yes on the majority vote, but does this mean we're going to have to vote on every trade or will a complaint have to be lodged?

Yes to weekly payouts.

Mr. Dio's FG plan works for me, and I agree on the 8 points for 100 yards.

[Guru of Nothing]

I agree on the 8 points for 100 yards.

You know, someone else might draft Peyton this year.

My math is VERY BAD, but I think you make it and-1 for 8 points per 100 yards; Don't ask me how I break the tie on this, if it comes down to it.

[Guru of Nothing]

Yes on the majority vote, but does this mean we're going to have to vote on every trade or will a complaint have to be lodged?




I must revisit FoxSports, but, yeah, we should have a vote only on trades with which there is an initial objection.

[AlamoSpursFan]

You know, someone else might draft Peyton this year.

Something tells me he won't be available when I make my selection, but if I end up with the number 1 pick, he will be back with the Hooligans to follow up on his record setting (and first round playoff choking) performance. Thanks, Sports Illustrated.

[timvp]

I've finally decided to start thinking about fantasy football. I usually try to ignore it until August because once I start, I just sit around ranking and re-ranking my picks all day.

The rules I've read in this thread sound reasonable. I just tried to register my team with foxsports but the website wasn't responding once I got to a certain point in the process.

:flipoff

Tomorrow I'll try again and then give my opinion regarding these matters.

[kris]

The last spot in this league has been filled by my other uncle. He will pay me tommorow. His team is Riven Storm in the foxsports league.

[Guru of Nothing]

The last spot in this league has been filled by my other uncle. He will pay me tommorow. His team is Riven Storm in the foxsports league.

Does that mean it is 0.08 points per yard rushing and receiving? :blah

Seriously, kudos for all your recruiting efforts Kris. Thanks!

Y'all are like the Mannings of FSP Fantasy football. So, who is Archie? Who is Peyton? ... and who is Eli?

[kris]

Not a problem. (I want to see my DP.)

I'm probably not Eli because I would have rather played for SD.

[Mr Dio]

(I want to see my DP.)

Double Penetration?
I didn't know any else knew Blaze made those movies while I filmed him & those (2) young Asian boys.

[kris]

I brought up a few points that haven't been discussed yet. Opinions?

When can we decide the Draft Order?

[Guru of Nothing]

Let's review.

.08 points per TD (ETA - haha - I meant to say, 0.08 points per rushing/receiving yard), unless someone jumps in here and backs me up on 0.1.

Are the 2 FBG guys here? Speaking of FBG, did you check it out Dio? Information overload, eh?

Waivers? I'm on dial-up at home, so I really don't feel like sifting through all the FoxSports marketing at the moment, but assuming the league software supports it, I want typical worst team/first waiver priority rules to apply, and I want waivers to run once per week - on Tuesday evenings, after all the dust has settled. I feel VERY strongly about this. There's a nice chunk of money up for grabs, and I don't think someone should get an unfair competive advantage because they can be online at midnight on Sundays and Mondays.

Upon further review, I'm adamant about this. I won't have it any other way. Additionally, I will send everyone my cell phone number so that they can call in roster changes, waiver acquisitions, etc., in case they are unable to access the league site - but please, try to avoid doing such just mere minutes before a deadline

Speaking of reaching out and touching someone, I will set the draft order randomly within the net few days, using net-commish.com, unless someone speaks up with an objection. I assume FoxSports allows me to draft order manually (bear with me folks, I'm as new to Fox as you are).

I have email addresses for everyone, except your "other" uncle, Kris. I'll die laughing if his name is Darryl.

And this just in - AUGUST 20th draft date (4:00 CST) is set in stone! ... anyone who wants to change it will have to take it upon themselves to contact all 11 other league mates and get them to agree to a change. I want to keep everyone happy, but I will not go chasing my tail. If you cannot make the draft, please set your pre-rankings; better yet, arrange for someone to draft for you. I can easily find a FF geek who would love to draft you a kick-ass team for no obligation.

[kris]

In the opening extended version of the rules (in this topic) there is 1 point for 40 yards passing, but in the original rules it is 1 point for 30 yards passing. I vote for 30 yards passing. Also, rushing for a 2 point conversion is = to 0 points. I lobby for 2 points a conversion or at least 1 point. On the topic of rushing, I noticed RBs receive .67 points per 10 yards and WR receive .80 per 10 yards. I would like RBs to get the same amount of points. Fourth, WRs have (-2) for fumbles lost but RBs have nothing denoted. I think they should have (-2) points also for a fumble lost. Last, on the missed field goals subject, I still would like to appeal to other members of the league to see if they are interested. Does it take a majority vote to get a rule implemented?

If so, and a majority does not support my proposed points, I would like to submit the following.

1-19 yard fg missed (-3)
20-29 yard fg missed (-2)
30-49 yard fg missed (-1)

Matt, what about these issues?

[Guru of Nothing]

Matt, what about these issues?

Too many numbers floating around in my head at the moment, BUT, 1 point per 30 yards passing works for me.

Rushing 2-point conversion: I thought I covered this; it = 2 points.

Ditto for fumbles: Lost fumble = (-2) points for QB, RB and WR.

[kris]

Matt,

Those points sound good to me. You may have covered the conversions previously but at the time I scanned the rules, I did not see that denoted. You have the email address. Can we get the draft order set today - Wednesday, July 27th?

[Mr Dio]

Why don't we get all the issues on 1 thread/post & we can go from there.

Or, I can try & hit them all up.

** 2pt conversion..I like for the RB/WR that scores it to get the 2pts..what about a QB that runs/throws for it?

** Rush/Rcv yards..I like 1 pt for every 10.

** Passing yds..I can go with the 30 yds = 1pt.

** FGs, I like this.
1-19 yard fg missed (-3)
20-29 yard fg missed (-2)
30-39 yard fg missed (-1)

Field Goals Made:
00-39 yards = 3 points
40-49 yards = 4 points
50-59 yards = 5 points
>> 60 yards = 6 points

Did I forget anything not already cvrd?

[Kori Ellis]

On another note, only 9 teams have signed up at FoxSports. Everybody (including my husband) needs to get signed up.

[kris]

Mr. Dio,

I vote for 2 points for qb, wr, rb.

I vote for 8 points per 100 yards for wr and rb.

I'll await anymore feed back on the mfgs.

[Guru of Nothing]

Upon further review, foxsports allows only one setting for missed field goals (I cannot specify ranges), so I set it to (-1) for all missed field goals.

Is that okay with everyone?

[Kori Ellis]

Upon further review, foxsports allows only one setting for missed field goals (I cannot specify ranges), so I set it to (-1) for all missed field goals.

:wtf

So you miss get -1 if you miss a 60 yarder or a 20 yarder?

[Guru of Nothing]

:wtf

So you miss get -1 if you miss a 60 yarder or a 20 yarder?


Yes, I can do away with it. Judging from the feedback, it's down to you and Kris. Me, I think I agree with you.

[Guru of Nothing]

Also, there is only one setting for "all blocked kicks," whether it be a punt, FG or extra point. I'm penciling it in for 2 points for the defense on that.

[kris]

That is rediculous for the mfgs. I vote for (-2), but I don't think that's fair for longer mfgs.

[kris]

Since there does not seem to be alter interest besides the few in dicussion, I agree with the (-1) in so the settings can be finalized.

[Guru of Nothing]

I sent emails to everyone in the league earlier. If you did not receive it, then I probably don't have a current email address for you. I know I'm good with email address for Kris, his two uncles, TribeCalledJeff, Lord Gator, Kori, LJ and Tpark.

I'm pretty sure I've got ASF's correct too. Not sure about Johnny Blaze and and Mr Dio. PM your addresses if you have not received email from me today. I need the corret addresses so that you can receive the draft order selection results.

[Guru of Nothing]

Draft order is set.

1 Rivenstorm (Kris' uncle)
2 Pride of Princess4 (Kori)
3 Johnny Blaze
4 Whiney Idiots (Footballguys guy, Lord Gator)
5 Tribe Called Jeff (Footballguys guy)
6 Red Hot Tamales (Moi)
7 Game Day 2006 (Kris)
8 TPark's Quitters
9 Los Chorizos (Mr. Dio)
10 Mr. Princess (timvp)
11 Shaftsbury Hooligans (Alamo Spurs Fan)
12 Red Dog (Kris' other uncle)

[Kori Ellis]

Sweet.

Thanks Guru.

[Mr Dio]

OK, who wants to trade picks?
I don't care if I move up or down because I'm used to doing it with Blaze ..When he's tied up & blindfolded.

[Mr Dio]

Is the draft @ your place Kori?

[kris]

JB,

Are you interested in moving your #3 pick?

[AlamoSpursFan]

I ranked my top 6 players...I didn't get to 11. I'll entertain any offers that would put Peyton "Cut That Meat!" Manning back in a Hooligans jersey this season.

[Kori Ellis]

Looking at the settings, did we already agree on 1 pt per 50 return yards and 0 pts for Return TD's?

[kris]

Should we count return TD's if a RB or WR runs them in?

[Guru of Nothing]

Looking at the settings, did we already agree on 1 pt per 50 return yards and 0 pts for Return TD's?

No. When I saw the TD settings for returns were set to 0, my brain automagically zeroed out the yards for returns. I have set yards to 0 too.

[fear_the_fro]

I am really against 8 points per 100 yards, and would strongly prefer 10 points per 100. i'd also prefer a PPR, but it sounds like that's not gonna happen. consider this my vote for 1/10 rush/rec.

[Mr Dio]

So how many is that for 8pts & how many for 10pts?

[Guru of Nothing]

I sent out a request for a league vote on this.

I wanted to see if I could put up a league vote on the league site, but I can't login. Actually, I can login, but there is no link between my user ID and the league.

Anyone else having problems?

[Guru of Nothing]

Hmmm, I wonder if my problem is due to the fact I am logged in from my PC at work.

If that's the problem, I'm gonna go "Ducks" on them.

[timvp]

Well I just tried to register but it timed out again. This site is pissing me off already. I've wasted like an hour trying to register my damn team.

:pctoss


Gateway Timeout
The proxy server did not receive a timely response from the upstream server.

I'm guessing the problem is no one has bought a Gateway computer since 1997.

[Kori Ellis]

Hmmm, I wonder if my problem is due to the fact I am logged in from my PC at work.

If that's the problem, I'm gonna go "Ducks" on them.

I was having no problem logging in earlier today, but now it won't let me login. Well actually, it logs me in but it doesn't get me to the page with our league on it, it just keeps kicking me to the main FoxSports page. :wtf

[Guru of Nothing]

Well actually, it logs me in but it doesn't get me to the page with our league on it, it just keeps kicking me to the main FoxSports page. :wtf

That's precisely my problem.

Freakin web programmers! They are probably learning database concepts on the fly.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Don't use my Hotmail address. I barely use it. I just had to use that to get logged into Fox Sports.

PM me if you need my e-mail addy.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I'm on our league homepage.

I have a Passport, though. Don't know if that makes a difference. I just logged in with the Passport.

[Kori Ellis]

Don't use my Hotmail address. I barely use it. I just had to use that to get logged into Fox Sports.

PM me if you need my e-mail addy.


We've been PMing you for about the last week to get a real email address from you. I sent you a few AOL IM's plus a private message on SpursTalk.

[Guru of Nothing]

I've got Blaze's Gmail address in my address book.

My big concern was getting the draft results sent to everyone the first time, because it's not something I can re-run; but seeing that he's drafting from the 3-hole, I'm sure he's happy, regardless.

[AlamoSpursFan]

I wonder what he wants for that pick?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I wonder what he wants for that pick?

Your mortal soul. Plus your first and second-rounder.

[Kori Ellis]

The FoxSports site was working fine yesterday and now it's not working again (when you log-in, it kicks you back to the FoxSports main page and you can't access your team).

I will give them another week to get their act together, but it needs to start working properly consistently (read: every day).

[Mr Dio]

Just checked it again.
Is my link the only one that is working?

[Kori Ellis]

It worked for me totally fine yesterday. Let me check again now.

[Kori Ellis]

Yes it works fine now. I guess the problem is intermitten. It would suck if that happens around the draft.

[Guru of Nothing]

I'll check to see about scheduling a draft at a backup site. Yahoo is out of the question because they are nearly booked up (certainly could not get the same draft slot at this late of date).

Maybe we can get a backup at the free NFL.com league site.

[AlamoSpursFan]

Your mortal soul. Plus your first and second-rounder.

My mortal soul's already spoken for. :cooldevil

I was thinking more along the lines of 1st and third round.

[Guru of Nothing]

My mortal soul's already spoken for. :cooldevil

I was thinking more along the lines of 1st and third round.

Damn!

I hope Blaze takes Stephen Davis in the first round again.

:blah

[Kori Ellis]

Guru -- FoxSports has been working great for me for the past couple days - I hope it's working for you.

[Guru of Nothing]

Guru -- FoxSports has been working great for me for the past couple days - I hope it's working for you.

Nope. I just emailed them.

I'm about to go check out AOL/Fanball. Supposedly it free and it offers live scoring. I don't want to ask everyone to go to another site and register, but apparently Microsoft and FoxSports are still wrestling with the "complexities" of logging in.

[Mr Dio]

So, we are drafting on Yahoo @ 4p Central right?

[Kori Ellis]

Correct.