Spurs Sign Manu Ginobili to 2 year/$14 Million Deal

[ElNono]

:lol

Now there's a possibility. When someone says "that's just semantics", I take that to mean that they believe that there is no substantial difference among the things being discussed. That it's just a matter of different words saying the same things.

So when I say "it's more than just semantics" in response to you, I am asserting a belief that the things being discussed are substantially different. That it's more than different words to describe the same thing.

I have no idea whether this actually helps at all, but I'm trying. It can be difficult to know if meanings are being fully understood using this form of communication.

Happy 4th Mel! How you and your kid are doing well :toast

[DPG21920]

:lol I pretty much have the same definition as you, but due to my ego being taller than I, I tend to forget people don't read and remember all of my posts on the subject when evaluating their response to me. Hence, the issues

[Typhoon]

Great move...fuck Manu haters and Im glad hes going to retire a Spur.

Like Duncan before him, Manu is due to have an amazing year.

remember when everyone though that Duncan was done?

[Mel_13]

Happy 4th Mel! How you and your kid are doing well :toast

And a happy 4th to you and yours as well.

Both of my kids are doing fine, although we find ourselves geographically distant, with the daughter you met in NYC and my son in Southern California for the summer.

[Mel_13]

:lol I pretty much have the same definition as you, but due to my ego being taller than I, I tend to forget people don't read and remember all of my posts on the subject when evaluating their response to me. Hence, the issues

:lol

Happy 4th to you,DPG :toast

[ElNono]

And a happy 4th to you and yours as well.

Both of my kids are doing fine, although we find ourselves geographically distant, with the daughter you met in NYC and my son in Southern California for the summer.

well, you know where I'll likely be when we play Philly again next year... maybe we can catch up again. :toast

[DJR210]

Grizz will be worse, Clippers got better but the Spurs will have an easier time beating them if they meet, and the Warriors got ridiculously hot for a series and a half. West is still there for the taking if the Spurs stay healthy and get internal improvements from Leonard, Green, Splitter, CoJo, and Nando.

Don't count out the Warriors broski. You saw how hard it can be to stop a squad full of young, athletic shooters.

What's up with the Jizz, I mean Grizz? Haven't been following their offseason.

[Mugen]

And a happy 4th to you and yours as well.

Both of my kids are doing fine, although we find ourselves geographically distant, with the daughter you met in NYC and my son in Southern California for the summer.

Mel, tell the son to hit me up in SoCal if he wants some of that preemo blow tbh.

Happy 4th my good man.

[DPG21920]

:lol

Happy 4th to DPG :toast

Same to you e-friend.

[Mel_13]

Mel, tell the son to hit me up in SoCal if he wants some of that preemo blow tbh.

Happy 4th my good man.

Noted and a happy 4th to you.

[manufan10]

Don't count out the Warriors broski. You saw how hard it can be to stop a squad full of young, athletic shooters.

What's up with the Jizz, I mean Grizz? Haven't been following their offseason.

Overpaid Tony Allen... I think that's all.

[Mel_13]

well, you know where I'll likely be when we play Philly again next year... maybe we can catch up again. :toast

The schedule will be out in about 4 weeks. I'll be making multiple trips to NYC and seeing the Spurs will be a factor in my plans.

[ElNono]

Mel, tell the son to hit me up in SoCal if he wants some of that preemo blow tbh.

Happy 4th my good man.

Happy 4th Mugen, make sure you make it to the 5th, tbh :toast

[MANUNG-Ginobili]

can we just sign Gary Neal now?

[Mugen]

Happy 4th Mugen, make sure you make it to the 5th, tbh :toast

No promises, Nono. Someones going to have to console these white girls when B-Kemp leaves for greener pastures. And me and Mel's kid are up to the task.

Happy 4th, bruh.

[DJR210]

Overpaid Tony Allen... I think that's all.

If that is the only issue, then I can't understand how one could say they won't be a force next year, especially in a "payback" series against SA.

Conley, Gasol, Bayless, Pontdexter, and maybe even Arthur should improve.

[DMX7]

Is Manu still going to play for the National team in the summers?

I might vomit.

[Robz4000]

Don't count out the Warriors broski. You saw how hard it can be to stop a squad full of young, athletic shooters.

What's up with the Jizz, I mean Grizz? Haven't been following their offseason.

Spurs made it look harder than it was with their injury woes to start the playoffs/second round. They have the formula now (and prolly always did).

Grizz are fixing to trade away Zbo and Hollins is already gone. They'll be worse for a year or two but with Ed Davis developing and the addition of more shooters, they'll be better in the long run.

[Robz4000]

If that is the only issue, then I can't understand how one could say they won't be a force next year, especially in a "payback" series against SA.

Conley, Gasol, Bayless, Pontdexter, and maybe even Arthur should improve.

Arthur was traded to Denver for Mozgov or some shit.

[dbestpro]

can we just sign Gary Neal now?

Don't forget McGrady.

[DJR210]

Spurs made it look harder than it was with their injury woes to start the playoffs/second round. They have the formula now (and prolly always did).

Grizz are fixing to trade away Zbo and Hollins is already gone. They'll be worse for a year or two but with Ed Davis developing and the addition of more shooters, they'll be better in the long run.

What injury woes? Are you referring to 2011?

[TheGoldStandard]

Don't forget McGrady.

If he gets a phone call he'll be the first to call Patty to start working on a new set of towel waves.

[Robz4000]

What injury woes? Are you referring to 2011?

Diaw, Splitter, Manu, and Tony were all either out/hobbled by injuries to start the playoffs this past season, and a lot of it carried over into the GS series.

[tim_duncan_fan]

This sucks. If Manu needs money so badly that he'd ruin his on-court legacy over the next 2 years to get it, then make him a coach instead.

The ONLY chance we have of improving is if Kawhi suddenly proves to be a great offensive wing player. It's absurd that they didn't do anything to get better.

Sorry, Timmy. :(

[Johnny RIngo]

Great move...fuck Manu haters and Im glad hes going to retire a Spur.

I used to like Ginobili too...but he should have retired last year. The next two years are going to be ugly for all the Manu fans. Going to be a lot of damage control on ST.


Like Duncan before him, Manu is due to have an amazing year.

:lol No he won't. Duncan's an all-time great while Manu is someone that was lucky to piggyback TD for three rings. Role players like Manu decline fast.


remember when everyone though that Duncan was done?

Duncan reinvented his game and spends his summers preparing for the NBA season. Ginobili's more concerned about Argie basketball in the off-season. He doesn't have the dedication or drive that Duncan has shown throughout his career.

[elemento]

If that is the only issue, then I can't understand how one could say they won't be a force next year, especially in a "payback" series against SA.

Conley, Gasol, Bayless, Pontdexter, and maybe even Arthur should improve.

Arthur was traded to Denver. They have a solid backup Center now though (Koufos)

[L.I.T]

Based on that fact the Spurs still have the MLE and attractive assets and contracts for S&Ts I'm really not sure why Spurs fan thinks they're done for the offseason.

[DJR210]

Diaw, Splitter, Manu, and Tony were all either out/hobbled by injuries to start the playoffs this past season, and a lot of it carried over into the GS series.

Regression.

[z0sa]

Since it makes no difference concerning the MLE, good contract.

[timmy2003]

too expensive. Damn!

[still.focused]

Spurs had all the leverage here.
After thius reg season and this Finals Manus value on the open market couldnt have been lower
And to top it off the entire league, similar to us, just doesnt see Manu as anything other than a Spur.
I realy think they shoulda lowballed him or made him wait while they looked elsewhere
Fuck can he do? Leave? So the fuck what
Would a Manu-less Spurs team really be any worse?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Spurs had all the leverage here.
After thius reg season and this Finals Manus value on the open market couldnt have been lower
And to top it off the entire league, similar to us, just doesnt see Manu as anything other than a Spur.
I realy think they shoulda lowballed him or made him wait while they looked elsewhere
Fuck can he do? Leave? So the fuck what
Would a Manu-less Spurs team really be any worse?

Spurs are not a 'bottom line' team. I truly do not think that they fake the notion of solidarity and chemistry they claim. Given that, notions of 'leverage' are besides the point.

[manufan10]

This sucks. If Manu needs money so badly that he'd ruin his on-court legacy over the next 2 years to get it, then make him a coach instead.

The ONLY chance we have of improving is if Kawhi suddenly proves to be a great offensive wing player. It's absurd that they didn't do anything to get better.

Sorry, Timmy. :(

Why are you apologizing to Duncan, when he himself has already said he's happy that Manu's back?

[tim_duncan_fan]

Why are you apologizing to Duncan, when he himself has already said he's happy that Manu's back?

Of course he wants Manu back. Everybody wants Manu back. We don't want to need him replaced, but that doesn't change the fact that we do need him replaced. We really did give him too much money for him to run up court and throw a retarded, inaccurate jump pass every time. We've never had much flexibility on account of being pretty good always, but we've never maximized the space that we've had. Just wasting time/money on people like Bonner, Jefferson, Turkoglu, RMJ (fucking Pop), Finley, Van Exel etc.

[houston spurs fan]

Kelvin Cato applauded this contract.

[Sean Cagney]

Of course he wants Manu back. Everybody wants Manu back. We don't want to need him replaced, but that doesn't change the fact that we do need him replaced. We really did give him too much money for him to run up court and throw a retarded, inaccurate jump pass every time. We've never had much flexibility on account of being pretty good always, but we've never maximized the space that we've had. Just wasting time/money on people like Bonner, Jefferson, Turkoglu, RMJ (fucking Pop), Finley, Van Exel etc.
Finley played great in the 06 playoffs and hit alot of threes in the 07 playoffs! Later he got too old and should have been gone but he did work out for a year or so.

[SilverSpur]

Should have been 2 yrs 10 mil
With a condtion he work out to build muscle. he is falling in line with Duncan, Diaw and any Older player who stop the conditioning to stay On top of their game.

[ducks]

spurs better give tp the max now

[tim_duncan_fan]

Finley played great in the 06 playoffs and hit alot of threes in the 07 playoffs! Later he got too old and should have been gone but he did work out for a year or so.

You're probably right on Finley, but there was a time when he was hanging around when he should have been gone, getting abused on D and whatnot. But yeah, I think I'll retract Finley from that statement, even though Pop liked him for a little too long.

[ata]

I like Manu, but 2y/14mio$ is too much; 2/10 or 2/9 would be acceptable

[spurraider21]

this is actually becoming a civil war among spurs fans

:lol holy shit

[DAF86]

smh

Why are you shaking your head? if you don't get it I can try to explain it better, I can also explain you why not bealiving in God isn't as bad as you think it is, tbh.

[-21-]

I was hoping for more of 2 year/$10M but I'm not surprised by this. I've no problem with them paying Manu that much money, I was just hoping we could use some of it to get more help.

[DieMrBond]

Been re-watching the Playoffs from the start, and just finished the Golden State series. Manu played a heap of good games and was a pretty major part in the Spurs even getting to the finals, let alone past Golden State. He made a tonne of great plays in that series, not to mention a couple of dagger threes.

Need a reminder?
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Manu-Ginobili-Three-Pointer-vs-Golden-State-Warriors.gif

YES, he took some stupid threes sometimes but even still, I wouldn't want him anywhere else. You don't think 29 other teams would want what Manu brings instead of us?

If you don't think he's worth $7mil to the FO (considering all the PR he does for the team not to mention leadership and on court stuff) you're nuts.

Personally, I'm happy he's back. I'm no cap expert (or even amateur) but even I can see it sounds reasonable.

[DPG21920]

Why are you shaking your head? if you don't get it I can try to explain it better, I can also explain you why not bealiving in God isn't as bad as you think it is, tbh.

Bradley Bealiving?

[cjw]

You're assuming they would amnesty Bonner... that's far from a sure thing...

I'm sure they considered all of this, but seeing that the market for a shooter like Korver was $6 million per year, they decided to stick with what they had (1 year of Bonner @ $4 million is a lot less risky than the four years everyone else is getting). Even had Manu taken half as much + amnestying Bonner, it would have just meant $7.5 million of cap space plus a smaller exception once they hit the cap. I'm in the minority here, but think it's hard to replace Bonner for a couple of million bucks. As it stands, it seems like there are more players out there than cap space available, so several of these guys are going to have to live with the MLE like Monta and AK47.

The team is being prudent as it has to save some room to extend Kawhi next offseason without creeping into the tax.

[baseline bum]

Nice. Glad to have Manu back! :tu

[rogues]

this is actually becoming a civil war among spurs fans

:lol holy shit
:lolI love it, tbh..the finals loss closed the door on the team and made the fans turn on each other..

[Sean Cagney]

:lolI love it, tbh..the finals loss closed the door on the team and made the fans turn on each other..

Fuck outta here you dickhead, your team won't exist after BRON LEAVES!!!!!!!!!!! You will be back to an average team for years. Your fans won't exist then again.

Your team might get oneeeeee more, might, but after that Wade will get old per par and Bosh gone probably and Bron will bolt! Then you will not enjoy the longevity the Spurs have had an they did not buy their team.

[SenorSpur]

I know that Pop and the organization love Ginobili and rightfully so. The risk the Spurs are taking here is betting that Ginobili's production and availability will match the level of this contract over the next two years. Unlike Duncan, his body has taken an awful beating with his year-round basketball committments to both the Spurs and his home country. It's no wonder he's starting to break down.

[blkroadrunners]

Hopefully Manu will take the Duncan-route this off-season, and get into better shape. Fortunately the Olympics aren't occurring this summer, so he can rest and work on his conditioning better.

[rogues]

Fuck outta here you dickhead, your team won't exist after BRON LEAVES!!!!!!!!!!! You will be back to an average team for years. Your fans won't exist then again.

Your team might get oneeeeee more, might, but after that Wade will get old per par and Bosh gone probably and Bron will bolt! Then you will not enjoy the longevity the Spurs have had an they did not buy their team.
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/24369211.jpg

[Jordanobili2320]

Without Manu going off in game 7 in 2005 we would only have 3 rings. You people also need to also realize he won game 5 for us this year. Yeah, his turnovers were costly in game 6 but a collapse or a choke is a team effort. He missed a free throw, Leonard missed a free throw, Pop subbed out Duncan, we couldn't grab a rebound, Parker ball hogged on a bunch of shots at end of 4th and in overtime. Just get over it.. His contract isn't that bad.

The main thing here is, you don't break up a core. Everyone thought that Ray Allen was the least significant of the big 3(the same way we think about Manu) and look how much it showed in Boston. A big part of success is chemistry and being familiar with the players around you, Manu is a huge part of all of that. Just get over it guys, we didn't win the fucking championship move on with your lives already and stop going off on Manu.

[Baam]

At this point we can only hope Manu retires next year, another even year down the drain.

[Jordanobili2320]

At this point we can only hope Manu retires next year, another even year down the drain.

wow....your joking right? The season hasn't even started.

[SenorSpur]

Without Manu going off in game 7 in 2005 we would only have 3 rings. You people also need to also realize he won game 5 for us this year. Yeah, his turnovers were costly in game 6 but a collapse or a choke is a team effort. He missed a free throw, Leonard missed a free throw, Pop subbed out Duncan, we couldn't grab a rebound, Parker ball hogged on a bunch of shots at end of 4th and in overtime. Just get over it.. His contract isn't that bad.

The main thing here is, you don't break up a core. Everyone thought that Ray Allen was the least significant of the big 3(the same way we think about Manu) and look how much it showed in Boston. A big part of success is chemistry and being familiar with the players around you, Manu is a huge part of all of that. Just get over it guys, we didn't win the fucking championship move on with your lives already and stop going off on Manu.

That's true and he deserves all the props in the world for it. Then what did he do the next year? He commits a stupidly, inexplicable foul on Dirk in Game 7 of the WCSF, giving him an "and-1" that forced a tie and sent the game into OT, where the Spurs lost. It was, without a doubt, the dumbest play I've ever seen a Spurs player commit. Without that dumb foul, the Spurs go on to beat the Suns - again - in the WCF and secure a berth in the 2006 NBA Finals versus the Heat. The point is, that one single error on Manu's part, likely cost the Spurs a championship. So let's not sit here and pretend that it's all been ice cream and cake with Ginobili. He's been a godsend to the Spurs franchise and a big important part to the Spurs success. At the same time, he's been a maddening player to root for because of unthinkable gaffes, costly turnovers and errors of commission, like the one I just described.

[Marcus Bryant]

Another non story Spurs fans will get their panties in a wad over.

[flacura]

Manu is a superstar, a quality player, a different brain. He deserves this an more. He will bring the spurs to another title. He will be retired as a spur, his number will be retired too and he will be a hall of famer, so

Respect Manu

[Jordanobili2320]

That's true and he deserves all the props in the world for it. Then what did he do the next year? He commits a stupidly, inexplicable foul on Dirk in Game 7 of the WCSF, giving him an "and-1" that forced a tie and sent the game into OT, where the Spurs lost. It was, without a doubt, the dumbest play I've ever seen a Spurs player commit. Without that dumb foul, the Spurs go on to beat the Suns - again - in the WCF and secure a berth in the 2006 NBA Finals versus the Heat. The point is, that one single error on Manu's part, likely cost the Spurs a championship. So let's not sit here and pretend that it's all been ice cream and cake with Ginobili. He's been a godsend to the Spurs franchise and a big important part to the Spurs success. At the same time, he's been a maddening player to root for because of unthinkable gaffes, costly turnovers and errors of commission, like the one I just described.

While he did commit a TERRIBLE foul on that play lets not sit here and pretend our ring would have been gift wrapped. Who knows what would have happened against the Suns, who knows what would have happened against the Heat. In my opinion, yes, we beat both of those teams easily but its not fair to just assume we win and blame the loss of a ring on him. Championships are fucking hard to win and a lot of things have to go your way. 2006 was a weird year in general, if I remember correctly its when Pop started to change up the offense a little bit, it wasn't exactly the strongest Spurs roster I had ever seen and a lot of those games agains the Mavs went into overtime when they didn't have to. Yeah, game 7 was a heartbreaker but we had PLENTY of oppurtunities earlier in that series to win games that we didn't. Its not really fair to do the what ifs.

Parker has had plenty of flame outs that we choose to forget and in my opinion he has been the most underwhelming star the Spurs have ever had when it comes playoff time. Manu makes dumb mistakes, but how many times have we seen Parker just become a shell of himself once the going gets tough. We lost multiple series because of Parker as well. If Parker didn't flame out in the WCF last year we could have been in the finals last year. He has choked pretty much his entire career besdies this year when you think about it. He got owned by Conley in 2011, bitched out in the WCF against the Thunder. Lastly, its easy to say game 6 ruined Manus legacy, I watched it and was just as angry as the next guy. But heres the thing, I know Parker hit those two HUGE shots but he also ball hogged and took some AWFUL shots at the end of regulation. He didn't pass on the last play when he was clearly gassed, defended well and running out of time. What if Parker passed it the last play instead of relentlessly driving the ball toward no one? No one seems to blame Parker for that....

[Capt Bringdown]

He's been a godsend to the Spurs franchise and a big important part to the Spurs success. At the same time, he's been a maddening player to root for because of unthinkable gaffes, costly turnovers and errors of commission, like the one I just described.

Solid Spurs fan take. I thank Manu for his contributions and his place in Spurs history, but at this point in his career he's a liability. You're not a Spurs fan if you didn't cringe every time he touched the ball in the finals.

[dbestpro]

this is actually becoming a civil war among spurs fans

:lol holy shit

This is a war of loyalty verses reality. Loyalty is nice, but reality wins out every time.

[milkyway21]

this is actually becoming a civil war among spurs fans

:lol holy shit



:lol

as if we are paying Manu's salary :wakeup

[Russo21]

And I know many of us are envious of pro athlete salaries, but don't forget how many of them declare bankruptcy soon after leaving the game.

Here's an ESPN article (http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3469271) about it, and there's also a telling Outside the Lines episode about it if you can find it. Amazing how so many of them throw millions upon millions of dollars down the drain.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3469271 I've heard that to, Dumb fucks. They must not have a brain in their heads to blow that kind of money. Wasn't Mike Tyson the highest paid athlete in the world and he went bust to. It's crazy how dumb these people are. Matt Bonner earns 3-4 million apx? Yet he has a brain and will retire more comfortably then most of these idiots.

[Capt Bringdown]

I've heard that to, Dumb fucks. They must not have a brain in their heads to blow that kind of money.

I used to work for a guy in Seattle who was one of Microsoft's first 100 employees. He couldn't not make money and was semi-retired before he reached 30. A couple of years ago I heard he was flat busted and back to working in a cubicle.
Shit happens.

[Russo21]

Maybe he had the majority of his cash invested in the stock market which got hammered during the Global Financial Crisis. In that case its pretty fucked up and unlucky. If I had that cash id just have it safely in the bank and forget investments, that shit is to unstable.

[BackHome]

I just can't see giving a contract of 14 mill to a guy who could not even dribble the ball without turning it over?

[Russo21]

I just can't see giving a contract of 14 mill to a guy who could not even dribble the ball without turning it over? :depressed I don't know. He was more of an asset to freakin Miami then he was to us :bang The figure is astounding IMO

[Keepin' it real]

What if Parker passed it the last play instead of relentlessly driving the ball toward no one? No one seems to blame Parker for that....

I originally blamed Parker, but not after rewatching the game. The Heat transition D on that last play was perfect. Parker had no one to pass the ball to. The guys in the corners were covered. The spacing between Manu and Tim, who both trailed on that play, was poor, so Wade was able to guard Manu and be in the passing lane for Tim at the same time. Bosh was in the paint to stop anything going to the basket. Great defense ... Poor spacing on offense. Not Tony's fault.

[Russo21]

Parker immediately went Hero Ball after half time though. He went away from Tim who had just hit 25 first half points. All of a sudden in the 3rd Quarter it was all Tony, and he was shit.

[Texas_Ranger]

So JR Smith will get 6M....

[SenorSpur]

Solid Spurs fan take. I thank Manu for his contributions and his place in Spurs history, but at this point in his career he's a liability. You're not a Spurs fan if you didn't cringe every time he touched the ball in the finals.

^this

Hey I love Manu for all his greatness and his contributions as an iconic player for this franchise. On some level. I'm glad he's still a Spur. However, I do struggle watching his continual declining play. Indeed it was an absolute beating to watch during the playoffs. Hey, many of us were saying the same things about Duncan until he changed his body and his style to re-emerge as a dominant player. It's a proven fact that older players get injured more often and at some point productivity becomes limited. It happens to every athlete and it's certainly nothing to be ashamed of. Manu is still a bonafide HOFer. However, if he unable to stem his decline, one has to wonder if the best thing for him to have done is retire?

One thing is certain, this will certainly be discussed, ad nauseum, on this forum over the next two years.

[SenorSpur]

While he did commit a TERRIBLE foul on that play lets not sit here and pretend our ring would have been gift wrapped. Who knows what would have happened against the Suns, who knows what would have happened against the Heat. In my opinion, yes, we beat both of those teams easily but its not fair to just assume we win and blame the loss of a ring on him. Championships are fucking hard to win and a lot of things have to go your way. 2006 was a weird year in general, if I remember correctly its when Pop started to change up the offense a little bit, it wasn't exactly the strongest Spurs roster I had ever seen and a lot of those games agains the Mavs went into overtime when they didn't have to. Yeah, game 7 was a heartbreaker but we had PLENTY of oppurtunities earlier in that series to win games that we didn't. Its not really fair to do the what ifs.

Parker has had plenty of flame outs that we choose to forget and in my opinion he has been the most underwhelming star the Spurs have ever had when it comes playoff time. Manu makes dumb mistakes, but how many times have we seen Parker just become a shell of himself once the going gets tough. We lost multiple series because of Parker as well. If Parker didn't flame out in the WCF last year we could have been in the finals last year. He has choked pretty much his entire career besdies this year when you think about it. He got owned by Conley in 2011, bitched out in the WCF against the Thunder. Lastly, its easy to say game 6 ruined Manus legacy, I watched it and was just as angry as the next guy. But heres the thing, I know Parker hit those two HUGE shots but he also ball hogged and took some AWFUL shots at the end of regulation. He didn't pass on the last play when he was clearly gassed, defended well and running out of time. What if Parker passed it the last play instead of relentlessly driving the ball toward no one? No one seems to blame Parker for that....

No argument on the criticisms of Parker - especially the ball-hogging in Game 7, when he was totally gassed. I cursed him incessantly for that too. Where I disagree with you is when you say Parker doesn't get blame for that. He's gotten plenty. Parker has clearly been the most polarizing of the Big Three - especially on this forum. He's been lambasted, rightly and wrongly, on this forum for years - especially before he became one of the premier point guards in the NBA. Manu, on the other hand and in many ways, has been probably the most beloved and protected of the Big Three - even ahead of franchise icon Tim Duncan. Just a little added perspective.

[Sean Cagney]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/24369211.jpg

No really im not mad right now. One day though that team you root for won't be good anymore and you won't be a fan, like most fake Miami fans! Thats the truth though.


BTW Lebron looks 40 :wow:lol:lol:lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

No really im not mad right now. One day though that team you root for won't be good anymore and you won't be a fan, like most fake Miami fans! Thats the truth though.


BTW Lebron looks 40 :wow:lol:lol:lmaoDon't worry, I too get called a bandwagon fan by the Popsuckers and Manu fan boys on ST. What you said is very true. All of them will one day lose interest in the Spurs once their glorious days are over and the ATT seats get emptier. They're all a bunch of hypocrites if they really think that we're bandwagon fans.

[Skull-1]

Even timvp admits that Manu is a little more selfish than TP and TD.

Then again, the commie scum in Argentina's government likely confiscate 80 percent of his income so he probably couldn't afford any less.


I just hope he learns how to pass again....to our team.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

bump

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lmao some people are gonna be embarrassed reading back on this

[Brazil]

:lmao some people are gonna be embarrassed reading back on this

Why ?

[DAF86]

Why ?

Because of posts like these:


Trash. Manu is past done.


This.


The main problem with tosb Manu is Pop still believing he's the third option


officially Spurs gave up on next season!!
they don't try to compete, they only want to be loyal and generous with their guys!

[Brazil]

Because of posts like these:

For me it's premature to say people are gonna be embarrassed by posts like these, if Manu is injured or get gassed for the pos they won't be wrong

[DPG21920]

Manu is playing phenomenal, but it's really early. He played great at the beginning of last year too and then suffered the injuries. He never regained his form physically or mentally and the result was rough. But as of this moment, he's playing great. For 7M a year, you hope he can last and sustain his high level of play into the playoffs.

[Brazil]

Don't get me wrong Manu is playing amazing so far he is having a great first half, and I'm delighted to have Manu back with the spurs obviously but for me contract was too much, still the case. Hope I will eat a crow during the POs.

[Brazil]

Manu is playing phenomenal, but it's really early. He played great at the beginning of last year too and then suffered the injuries. He never regained his form physically or mentally and the result was rough. But as of this moment, he's playing great. For 7M a year, you hope he can last and sustain his high level of play into the playoffs.

Dpg said it better than me

[DAF86]

For me it's premature to say people are gonna be embarrassed by posts like these, if Manu is injured or get gassed for the pos they won't be wrong

I think it's more than proved that Manu wasn't done, tbh.

[Brazil]

I think it's more than proved that Manu wasn't done, tbh.

Again last year Manu started well too, Manu not done as a full RS and POs player still need to be seen. But yes his start of the season is well above my expectations.

[DPG21920]

I think it's more than proved that Manu wasn't done, tbh.

How? With Manu, injuries play a huge role in his ability to play effectively. He's broken down before and the risk is still great with him, even this year.

I agree it's proved he's not done in the sense that if he's healthy he is still able to produce (albeit in very limited managed minutes), but overall it's still early.

[Skull-1]

How? With Manu, injuries play a huge role in his ability to play effectively. He's broken down before and the risk is still great with him, even this year.

I agree it's proved he's not done in the sense that if he's healthy he is still able to produce (albeit in very limited managed minutes), but overall it's still early.


How many points last night? Lol

[spurraider21]

How many points last night? Lol
he averages more points per game than Kawhi while playing less minutes and taking less shots per game

[apalisoc_9]

he averages more points per game than Kawhi while playing less minutes and taking less shots per game

The difference is that Pop puts Manu in situations where he'll score points efficiently..Kawhi is forced to take Forced shots..Haven't you been watching? Tony loves to pass the ball to kawhi when there is hardly any seconds left in the clock.

[TheGoldStandard]

The difference is that Pop puts Manu in situations where he'll score points efficiently..Kawhi is forced to take Forced shots..Haven't you been watching? Tony loves to pass the ball to kawhi when there is hardly any seconds left in the clock.

Pop isn't the one driving the ship when Manu has the ball. I dont think anybody quite knows what Manu will do when he has the ball except Manu and whoever he passes it to about a fraction of a second before he does.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

How many points last night? Lol

11 with 12 assists. "hez dun doe" - lol

[Skull-1]

he averages more points per game than Kawhi while playing less minutes and taking less shots per game


Against the second string.

[T Park]

He never looked as good last year as he has this year. He underwent as has been documented rigorous, more so than in the past, training. Program to regain strength and to build up his body. He's thicker and has better at end of games this year as compared to last year as well. No question he has to stay healthy, but IMO, he didn't look close to as good last year at any point, than he does now.

[T Park]

The difference is that Pop puts Manu in situations where he'll score points efficiently..Kawhi is forced to take Forced shots..Haven't you been watching? Tony loves to pass the ball to kawhi when there is hardly any seconds left in the clock.

All Parker and pop's fault he's missed those open corner threes. Got it.

[spurraider21]

Against the second string.
Also with the second string

[apalisoc_9]

All Parker and pop's fault he's missed those open corner threes. Got it.

I guess people don't understand the importance of getting your guys into rythem...

[DPG21920]

He never looked as good last year as he has this year. He underwent as has been documented rigorous, more so than in the past, training. Program to regain strength and to build up his body. He's thicker and has better at end of games this year as compared to last year as well. No question he has to stay healthy, but IMO, he didn't look close to as good last year at any point, than he does now.

I haven't checked the per-minute numbers last year pre-injury vs this year so far, but maybe you're right. However, I seem to remember him playing pretty damn well pre-injury last year.

[T Park]

I guess people don't understand the importance of getting your guys into rythem...

That and unicorns exist I suppose. Nothing to do with rythum though.

[T Park]

I haven't checked the per-minute numbers last year pre-injury vs this year so far, but maybe you're right. However, I seem to remember him playing pretty damn well pre-injury last year.

IMO, eye test, he looks far better. His leaping ability is back to about 2007 levels. His passing is better. His stamina late in games. Their guard rotation is RH best it's ever been. It'll show when things settle down in April.

Numbers wise, couldn't tell you. Eye test wise? Not close, again, jmo.

[Skull-1]

Also with the second string


Oh, but he is worthy of being a starter, right?

Eyeroll.

[Skull-1]

IMO, eye test, he looks far better. His leaping ability is back to about 2007 levels. His passing is better. His stamina late in games. Their guard rotation is RH best it's ever been. It'll show when things settle down in April.

Numbers wise, couldn't tell you. Eye test wise? Not close, again, jmo.

Getting embarrassed in the Finals, being called a sellout loser, and taking a summer off can do wonders for one's desire to be better than "so so".

[jacuza20]

Oh, but he is worthy of being a starter, right?

Eyeroll.

you're just mad that kawhi isn't playing up to your expectations this season while all your predictions about Ginobili being done are being thrown right back in your face. No need to hate, he's playing well. I bet everytime Ginobili has a good game you cringe about how wrong you were, but then put on a mask and start talking mess on ST.

[AFBlue]

That's where I'm at. I think the deal stinks, and I'm just left hoping that he finds the same "second wind" in his career that Timmy experienced last year. Because one thing is clear...there is no one on this roster as it's currently constituted to take Manu's role away from him. Spurs second unit is going to live and die by Manu.

God help us. I'll be praying (in vein?) for a re-energized, healthy Manu.

Looks like my prayers are paying off fwiw tbqh.

[ElNono]

I haven't checked the per-minute numbers last year pre-injury vs this year so far, but maybe you're right. However, I seem to remember him playing pretty damn well pre-injury last year.

He was up and down last season... he had games where his shooting percentage (over 50%) and per-minute production was great but when you look into the numbers he only attempted 4 shots that game... I agree with you it's early, and that the injuries last season messed him up not just physically but mentally too. Let's just hope he can keep it going and that the rest of the team follows suit.

[timtonymanu]

Looks great, tbh.

He's been the best player for the Spurs this year. I'm always just worried he's going to end up getting injured though.

[Spurs_Be_Beastin']

Looks great, tbh.

He's been the best player for the Spurs this year. I'm always just worried he's going to end up getting injured though.

every time he drives to the rim I ask my T.v. " are you ok Manu ? "
when he lands from the shot attempt.
Dude worries me.

[Skull-1]

you're just mad that kawhi isn't playing up to your expectations this season while all your predictions about Ginobili being done are being thrown right back in your face. No need to hate, he's playing well. I bet everytime Ginobili has a good game you cringe about how wrong you were, but then put on a mask and start talking mess on ST.


Oh he is still done. Miami will give him another beating should we make it that far... Last night he turned into braindead mode and threw the game for us, per par...tbqh fwiw.

[Skull-1]

every time he drives to the rim I ask my T.v. " are you ok Manu ? "
when he lands from the shot attempt.
Dude worries me.


Strangely, that was my favorite part of the game. Seeing him go for it. The Manu I knew for so long...until last year and "so so".

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Oh he is still done. Miami will give him another beating should we make it that far... Last night he turned into braindead mode and threw the game forums per par...tbqh fwiw.

Skull with the bads

[Kool Bob Love]

:flag:

We got him discounted.

[Skull-1]

Skull with the bads


Thanks. :lol

[Skull-1]

:flag:

We got him discounted.


Fire sale priced! Lol :toast Buy low sell high.

[Southwest Texas Fan]

Getting embarrassed in the Finals, being called a sellout loser, and taking a summer off can do wonders for one's desire to be better than "so so".

I personally don't think he didn't have the desire.

[ducks]

throwing it to the other teams seems no desire or plan stupid your choice

[T Park]

Getting embarrassed in the Finals, being called a sellout loser, and taking a summer off can do wonders for one's desire to be better than "so so".


No one was talking to you degenerate. Be gone.

[Skull-1]

No one was talking to you degenerate. Be gone.


Your mother charges how much?!! Daaaaaamn! Not worth it!

[Skull-1]

throwing it to the other teams seems no desire or plan stupid your choice


No desire or plain stupid to throw it to Miami in the deciding game(s) of the Finals? You hater! Lol

:toast

[Skull-1]

I personally don't think he didn't have the desire.


Eight turnovers in Game Six alone. Verdict: Lack of desire.

The idiot was MyFace 'ing his Finals jersey before we even played! He was satisfied with getting there. Winning wasn't on his brainlocked radar. Epic fail!

[DAF86]

Again last year Manu started well too, Manu not done as a full RS and POs player still need to be seen. But yes his start of the season is well above my expectations.


How? With Manu, injuries play a huge role in his ability to play effectively. He's broken down before and the risk is still great with him, even this year.

I agree it's proved he's not done in the sense that if he's healthy he is still able to produce (albeit in very limited managed minutes), but overall it's still early.

Those comments I quoted were written in the sense that it was a foregone conclusion that Manu was done. That has been proved to be wrong no matter what happens from now on.

[RD2191]

I'm glad Manu is playing well but he needs to show up in the playoffs.

[apalisoc_9]

No one was talking to you degenerate. Be gone.

Serious question, when are you planning on losing the weight?

[RD2191]

:lmao

[SpurSwag]

How the fuck are you gonna say Manu didn't want it and that he was just happy to get there? You claim he was your favorite player at one point, but clearly you don't know him as a player very much to suggest he didn't want it enough. It's funny that everyone within the Spurs organization has claimed that Manu is one of the fiercest competitors of all time and yet you claim to know for a fact that he just didn't want to win. You are such a faggot it's actually hysterical, and I mean that whole heartedly.

How can your favorite player, who has come through for us time and time again, all of a sudden after one sub par series in which he was definintely more banged up than he led on suddenly become someone you rip on time and time again. Jesus christ I understand being disappointed in him, I was too and it really did hurt watching my favorite player (him and Tim are tied for that spot in my mind) play so poorly. But I didn't for a second wish he signed somewhere else or rip on him. You know why? Because he's my favorite player and I am a loyal fan. Not some pathetic piece of shit calling for the dudes head on some forum 24/7 even when he's playing well.

Why aren't you even remotely mad at Kawhi for missing a free throw? Sure he's a young player but that shot would have made the difference. How about being mad at Tim for missing a layup that would have tied the game and given us hope going forward in that game to pull it off.

[Skull-1]

How the fuck are you gonna say Manu didn't want it and that he was just happy to get there? You claim he was your favorite player at one point, but clearly you don't know him as a player very much to suggest he didn't want it enough. It's funny that everyone within the Spurs organization has claimed that Manu is one of the fiercest competitors of all time and yet you claim to know for a fact that he just didn't want to win. You are such a faggot it's actually hysterical, and I mean that whole heartedly.

How can your favorite player, who has come through for us time and time again, all of a sudden after one sub par series in which he was definintely more banged up than he led on suddenly become someone you rip on time and time again. Jesus christ I understand being disappointed in him, I was too and it really did hurt watching my favorite player (him and Tim are tied for that spot in my mind) play so poorly. But I didn't for a second wish he signed somewhere else or rip on him. You know why? Because he's my favorite player and I am a loyal fan. Not some pathetic piece of shit calling for the dudes head on some forum 24/7 even when he's playing well.

Why aren't you even remotely mad at Kawhi for missing a free throw? Sure he's a young player but that shot would have made the difference. How about being mad at Tim for missing a layup that would have tied the game and given us hope going forward in that game to pull it off.


Fiercest competitor? Lmao. Bonner is a fierce competitor, too. Did not see him passing wildly to the wrong team or forgetting how to dribble the ball! Competitiveness is no excuse for brainlessness.

Old Manu would have ripped himself for his play. New Manu says, eh, so so. Gtfo with your weak sauce.

More banged up than he let on? Revisionist history. He stated emphatically he was fine physically.


Manu blew it with eight turnovers and tons of horrible bricks early in the shot clock. Leonard is the only reason we were even in the game. Manu does his job and stays moderately under control and Leonard can miss all his FTs. Meanwhile, mister moneybags missed one to win it himself.


Manu's epic failure and inexplicably horrid mistakes put us in the position to lose. We had no margin for error thanks to the one man wrecking crew Ginobili. It will take a lot more than some regular season flashes against scrub teams to convince me he still has it. Your take: Fail.

[DPG21920]

Those comments I quoted were written in the sense that it was a foregone conclusion that Manu was done. That has been proved to be wrong no matter what happens from now on.

Fair enough. There were those that thought that even if Manu was fully healthy he couldn't produce at a high level. He has proved that wrong.

[SpurSwag]

Fiercest competitor? Lmao. Bonner is a fierce competitor, too. Did not see him passing wildly to the wrong team or forgetting how to dribble the ball! Competitiveness is no excuse for brainlessness.

Old Manu would have ripped himself for his play. New Manu says, eh, so so. Gtfo with your weak sauce.

More banged up than he let on? Revisionist history. He stated emphatically he was fine physically.


Manu blew it with eight turnovers and tons of horrible bricks early in the shot clock. Leonard is the only reason we were even in the game. Manu does his job and stays moderately under control and Leonard can miss all his FTs. Meanwhile, mister moneybags missed one to win it himself.


Manu's epic failure and inexplicably horrid mistakes put us in the position to lose. We had no margin for error thanks to the one man wrecking crew Ginobili. It will take a lot more than some regular season flashes against scrub teams to convince me he still has it. Your take: Fail.

i mean clearly he was banged up because he has indisputably looked better this year. There is literally no other reason for that other than he was injured in some capacity.

But it that isn't even my point. He did play so - so up til game 6, though he was pretty quiet I don't remember him exactly being a detriment to the team. You keep saying how you hate that he wasn't harder on himself, but did you know when he was at a hotel he asked the staff to have footage of the finals no where in sight and for people no to talk to him about it? It really bothered him, he has said so on multiple occasions. The fact that you compared his competitiveness to bonner's shows just how little you even know about Manu.

[Skull-1]

i mean clearly he was banged up because he has indisputably looked better this year. There is literally no other reason for that other than he was injured in some capacity.

But it that isn't even my point. He did play so - so up til game 6, though he was pretty quiet I don't remember him exactly being a detriment to the team. You keep saying how you hate that he wasn't harder on himself, but did you know when he was at a hotel he asked the staff to have footage of the finals no where in sight and for people no to talk to him about it? It really bothered him, he has said so on multiple occasions. The fact that you compared his competitiveness to bonner's shows just how little you even know about Manu.

Bro, he looks better this year because he finally finally finally sat out for a summer. Add in the wounded pride. Dude looked like a total TOSB in the Finals and decided not to go out like that.

Bonner competes his ass off. Doesn't have the skills but he tries. Competiveness is not an excuse for fcking up! Repeatedly!

[T Park]

Serious question, when are you planning on losing the weight?

The same day you get a job, a life, another real human being to talk to you.

So looks like the fat is sticking around a while. Shucks.

[spurraider21]

worth every penny

[Spurs9]

Solid bump

[DAF86]

Such a manly man. Only Spurs player to not have shit his pants at any point during this series.

[Richie]

Manu has earnt every penny tonight, he's been incredible

[spurraider21]

:lmao his contract cost us Kirilenko

[ducks]

Such a manly man. Only Spurs player to not have shit his pants at any point during this series.

sucked against Portland
playing great tonight though
only played 11 minutes night before
why pop benched him

[DAF86]

sucked against Portland
playing great tonight though
only played 11 minutes night before
why pop benched him

Whatever you say son.

[spurraider21]

playing poorly =/= playing scared. manu will never be guilty of the latter

[Pocho La Pantera]

Manu haters are ungrateful idiots.