Spurs out as possible AK47 suitor

[ihustle]

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Pendergraph-is-latest-and-maybe-last-Spurs-4650675.php?t=6cddab1982927fc3fb

[Mel_13]

They were never really in.

[benefactor]

They were never really in.

[Baam]

Guess the only improvements will come from :

- Pop realizing Kawhi is the third banana and actually running plays for him

- Baynes cracking the rotation and boosting our shitty rebounding a little

[cd98]

If Spurs flipped the Jackson expiring contract last season for Benelli and Pendergraff, we would all have been happy, Right? Right? Those are the missing pieces, right? Right?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Misleading title.

[Bartleby]

Nothing new here. Everything in the article could have been gleaned from Spurstalk threads (and probably was).

[Robz4000]

God dammit. If he ends up on the Thunder...

[Nathan89]

Full details of the deal, which cannot be formally signed until Wednesday, were not available.

Article says nothing.

[coyotes_geek]

I see a lot of "could", "likely", "appears" and "not expected to" in that article.

In other words, McDonald is guessing just like the rest of us are.

[SpursSerb]

Bullshit article.

[Bruno]

This article just seemed a speculation but McDonald tweeting today that Pendergraph got $4M put Spurs basically out of the equation for Kirilenko.

It could still theoretically be possible with some crazy and complicated S&T scenarios but it's just in theory. In practical, Spurs won't get Kirilenko.

[apalisoc_9]

Bullshit article.

Yeah.

I really don't trust Mcdonald with any inside information anyway..
























Because he never has one...

[cd021]

God dammit. If he ends up on the Thunder...

Him, Ellis, or Nate Robinson

[Mel_13]

God dammit. If he ends up on the Thunder...

Next to impossible.

[cd021]

This article just seemed a speculation but McDonald tweeting today that Pendergraph got $4M put Spurs basically out of the equation for Kirilenko.

It could still theoretically be possible with some crazy and complicated S&T scenarios but it's just in theory. In practical, Spurs won't get Kirilenko.

Thats an overpay for Pendergraph. He could have been had for much closer to the minimum ($988,863). We'd still be under the cap by a little and could still use the room exception, if i'm not mistaken.

[Robz4000]

Next to impossible.

It's gonna happen. Heat are gonna get Oden and Bynum who'll fortify Lebron, who in turn will fortify Wade, who will fortify Bosh, etc.

[cd021]

Next to impossible.

True they'd have to cut 3 non guaranteed deals and then use the $7.5 remaining space between their team salary and the luxary tax to sign 3 players. In other words they'd probably have to split the MLE up to sign 2 players and use the vet minimum.

Crazier things have happened who would have though someone would have taken RJ & Beidrens $20 million for a couple of 1st rounders, clearing the way for GSW to sign Iggy

[cd021]

It's gonna happen. Heat are gonna get Oden and Bynum who'll fortify Lebron, who in turn will fortify Wade, who will fortify Bosh, etc.

Bynum will hopefully go to Dallas if he goes to Miami he can go to hell.

Oden needs to be a Spur or a Pacer not a "Heatle"

[Robz4000]

In all honesty tho, the Spurs standing pat again was a terrible (but expected) move. The West is still wide-open, but they could've cemented themselves at the top.

[Agloco]

If the title of the article is on the money, it's quite disappointing to say the least.

[SpursSerb]

So who are the other possible suitors?

[Poolboy5623]

The spurs are banking on green, Leonard, and splitter making continued progress. They made remarkable strides from two years ago, to last year. If they can replicate that, next season, they should be in good shape. Again. What's the problem?

[HarlemHeat37]

The spurs are banking on green, Leonard, and splitter making continued progress. They made remarkable strides from two years ago, to last year. If they can replicate that, next season, they should be in good shape. Again. What's the problem?

The Spurs are still the favourites in the West, especially with OKC losing Martin, but the West doesn't have any powerhouse teams, so the conference is still open, tbh..

However, had the Spurs actually used their cap space on an impact player like Kirilenko or somebody else, they would have been a level above the rest of the conference, tbh..

Seems like the Spurs were content with staying pat and internal improvement with OKC losing Martin and the lack of dominant teams in the NBA at the moment, tbh..

[phxspurfan]

Holting pattern again huh

[Birn]

I was never that high on AK47. No doubt he would've helped but not a game changer. I think Stephen Jackson at 35 is still much better than AK47. I'm hoping that maybe there's a way that SJAX comes back for the league minimum. He won't get any other offers after being waived. Teams are staying away from him.

Probably a long shot but you never know.

Another cheap option is James Anderson...he'll probably get waived by the Rockets.

[HarlemHeat37]

Kirilenko just had an 18 PER season with a shitty Wolves team, he's still a very good player, tbh..

Stephen Jackson is one of the worst players in the league right now, and I'd be surprised if a team signs him, tbh..

[tmtcsc]

WTF? The Spurs were five seconds from being the best team in the league in 2013. Nobody got tremendously better this offseason. Houston will have to incorporate Coward in to their offense and team. His signing is already causing waves with Asik who wants to be traded.

Lakers may have improved a little by shedding themselves of a talentless, overrated malcontent but they added no personnel to substitute for Kobe's expected recovery time or Flight's position.

Oklahoma City lost Harden AND Martin. They've done nothing to make up for those losses.

Memphis lost their head coach and part of their identity.

The Clippers may have improved but I'm not concerned about them either. As long as they have Griffen as their go-to player, we're fine.

Dallas is a joke.

Golden State just got worse. How do you let solid role players just leave ? Jack, Landry, Biedrins. No way am I counting RJ as a loss.

Who am I missing ? We should be the favorites in the West again. As far as I know, we lost only Blair at this point. Gary Neal hasn't been offered a contract and we could still match it. Blair is the only guy who is most likely not returning.

[TheGoldStandard]

Guess the only improvements will come from :

- Pop realizing Kawhi is the third banana and actually running plays for him

- Baynes cracking the rotation and boosting our shitty rebounding a little

Splitter/Diaw/Bonner/Baynes.. always have and always will.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Yea looks like the spurs are fine rolling out green as backup small forward. I mean it worked out ok in the finals but still it would have been nice to have a true back up sf that can play small ball 4.

[HarlemHeat37]

WTF? The Spurs were five seconds from being the best team in the league in 2013. Nobody got tremendously better this offseason. Houston will have to incorporate Coward in to their offense and team. His signing is already causing waves with Asik who wants to be traded.

Lakers may have improved a little by shedding themselves of a talentless, overrated malcontent but they added no personnel to substitute for Kobe's expected recovery time or Flight's position.

Oklahoma City lost Harden AND Martin. They've done nothing to make up for those losses.

Memphis lost their head coach and part of their identity.

The Clippers may have improved but I'm not concerned about them either. As long as they have Griffen as their go-to player, we're fine.

Dallas is a joke.

Golden State just got worse. How do you let solid role players just leave ? Jack, Landry, Biedrins. No way am I counting RJ as a loss.

Who am I missing ? We should be the favorites in the West again. As far as I know, we lost only Blair at this point. Gary Neal hasn't been offered a contract and we could still match it. Blair is the only guy who is most likely not returning.

Sure, but the Spurs could have been a level above the rest of the conference, rather than being the best team on the same level, tbh..

[CGD]

Article says nothing, though, the tweet speculating about 2y/4m deal is interesting if on point. Still wouldn't rule out a sign and trade involving Neal and De Colo for an underrated SF backup. Nando is an interesting prospect but I can see him bitching a lot this coming year with Belli in tow.

[CGD]

Sure, but the Spurs could have been a level above the rest of the conference, rather than being the best team on the same level, tbh..
I actually think the team got slightly better tbh. Belli + Pende > Blair + Neal + marginal corporate knowledge

[T Park]

Love all the pull it out of their ass assumptions here.

[Nathan89]

I actually think the team got slightly better tbh. Belli + Pende > Blair + Neal + marginal corporate knowledge

Those possible improvements are insignificant on a old team. Even a slight player decline erases those improvements.

[SpursSerb]

It could be that the Spurs were unwilling to give a long term deal to a 32 years old player.After the Jefferson fiasco,they're probably not ready to give a long term deal to a player,that hasn't been proven in Spurs system.

[Mel_13]

It could be that the Spurs were unwilling to give a long term deal to a 32 years old player.After the Jefferson fiasco,they're probably not ready to give a long term deal to a player,that hasn't been proven in Spurs system.

Excellent point.

So many want to assume that the Spurs had a plan to create and use cap space. We'll never know it that was ever the case. Even if they did have AK47 as a possible target, that plan could have died on initial contact with AK's agent if he told the Spurs that a 2 year deal wouldn't be considered. The Spurs had to go beyond 2015 with Splitter, as they will with Kawhi, but they very well may have drawn the line right there.

[ducks]

his article was really stupid nothing but speculation it came out before latest specualtion figure


I would not even count that figure he is an idiot

[Libri]

This article just seemed a speculation but McDonald tweeting today that Pendergraph got $4M put Spurs basically out of the equation for Kirilenko.

It could still theoretically be possible with some crazy and complicated S&T scenarios but it's just in theory. In practical, Spurs won't get Kirilenko.

I guess the question will be, how serious were the Spurs in getting AK47? Hopefully Wojnarowski will give us some insight with one of his columns.

[Man In Black]

How does one read that article and say OUT? Comprehension is a lost art.

NO longer considered viable doesn't mean OUT OF THE RUNNING. It just means that based on what appears, it would seem that Spurs can't entice AK47 with what perceived little money they have left to offer.

[TD 21]

Guess the only improvements will come from :

- Pop realizing Kawhi is the third banana and actually running plays for him

- Baynes cracking the rotation and boosting our shitty rebounding a little

It's a given that he'll be running plays for Leonard. Specifically, I'd imagine he'll be utilized as a pick-and-roll ball handler some, which makes the Belinelli signing especially perplexing, because then they don't necessarily need another wing to serve as a secondary ball handler/Ginobili insurance. Instead, they should have signed an actual backup SF, such as Delfino, who can actually handle somewhat as well. And if they still weren't satisfied on that front, then they should have brought in a proper backup PG.

Baynes not only won't be cracking the rotation, but won't even be cracking the active roster, so long as the other five bigs are healthy and they're not giving Duncan the game off.

[Leetonidas]

We won't know shit until it's already happened, so speculating is worthless anyway. Spurs weren't rumored to be interested in Pendergraph until right before they signed him, same with Belinelli. Whatever is going on, that faggot McDonald doesn't know shit and neither does anyone else probably. But if Adrian Wojarnowski said the Spurs were eyeing him, they probably were/are. And since we still won't know the full details of their deals for a few more days, it's all up in the air. Who knows.

I really hope the Spurs are not going to begin the season with the roster they have now though, they need a backup SF. Green/Diaw/Manu/Beli splitting time ain't going to cut it.

[Bruno]

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Well, if Bonner contract is still mostly non-guaranteed, the following scenario would work in theory:

Spurs trade Bonner and De Colo for Kirilenko
Minny trade Kirilenko for Kevin Martin and Bonner
OKC trade Martin for a TE
Utah trade TE for De Colo

Add pick, rights to foreign player and cash to balance the trade. Spurs could have Kirilenko with a 8.2M salary in that scenario.

[stephen jackson]

we back in it.

[xmas1997]

What makes you think the Spurs are involved in this?

[SpursSerb]

Couldn't it just be a deal between OKC and Minny?

[DesignatedT]

Lol

[TE]

OKC is getting AK47 tbh

[DesignatedT]

Probably.

[xmas1997]

OKC is getting AK47 tbh

That would really suck!

[objective]

353995173581172736

Well, if Bonner contract is still mostly non-guaranteed, the following scenario would work in theory:

Spurs trade Bonner and De Colo for Kirilenko
Minny trade Kirilenko for Kevin Martin and Bonner
OKC trade Martin for a TE
Utah trade TE for De Colo

Add pick, rights to foreign player and cash to balance the trade. Spurs could have Kirilenko with a 8.2M salary in that scenario.


Bruno, you're driving yourself mad here. I worry for your mental health.

It's over, mon ami.

[TXstbobcat]

353995173581172736

Well, if Bonner contract is still mostly non-guaranteed, the following scenario would work in theory:

Spurs trade Bonner and De Colo for Kirilenko
Minny trade Kirilenko for Kevin Martin and Bonner
OKC trade Martin for a TE
Utah trade TE for De Colo

Add pick, rights to foreign player and cash to balance the trade. Spurs could have Kirilenko with a 8.2M salary in that scenario.

Hi Bruno. In this scenario, would Bonner have to have agreed to extend the date for a possible 1 million dollar buyout?

[Robz4000]

Called it a week ago tbh. Thunder can't go smallball without someone to replace Martin. Not only would AK47 be a good replacement, he'd fit much better than Martin. That may put OKC over the Spurs again.

[SpursSerb]

On the other hand,why would the Okc want Kirilenko?Doesn't fill their needs for a legit shooting guard.

[TE]

He would help them in small ball situations. If they go small, they would have Ibaka, Durant and AK47 on the floor together at the same time. I'm thinking they would hide KD on a lesser talented player and give AK47 the tougher defensive assignment. :wow

[Mel_13]

353995173581172736

Well, if Bonner contract is still mostly non-guaranteed, the following scenario would work in theory:

Spurs trade Bonner and De Colo for Kirilenko
Minny trade Kirilenko for Kevin Martin and Bonner
OKC trade Martin for a TE
Utah trade TE for De Colo

Add pick, rights to foreign player and cash to balance the trade. Spurs could have Kirilenko with a 8.2M salary in that scenario.

If Martin were willing to sign for the MLE, would Minny be able to trade Kirilenko in a "normal" trade where they take back roughly equal salaries in return?

[Bruno]

What makes you think the Spurs are involved in this?

Nothing and I don't think Spurs are involved. I'm just pointing it's possible


Couldn't it just be a deal between OKC and Minny?

I don't see OKC taking Kirlenko salary and they could face the restriction applied to teams above the apron with S&T.

[coyotes_geek]

353995173581172736

Well, if Bonner contract is still mostly non-guaranteed, the following scenario would work in theory:

Spurs trade Bonner and De Colo for Kirilenko
Minny trade Kirilenko for Kevin Martin and Bonner
OKC trade Martin for a TE
Utah trade TE for De Colo

Add pick, rights to foreign player and cash to balance the trade. Spurs could have Kirilenko with a 8.2M salary in that scenario.

I'm all for it, but I can't see OKC wanting to help us out in landing a guy who seems to be tailor-made for guarding Durant.

The other complication of course being the Spurs apparent unwillingness to hand out anything longer than a 2yr deal. Maybe 2yrs-$17 would be enough for AK, but I'd think he'd want that 3rd and maybe even 4th years.

Still, nice thinking on your part. Something to keep the board interesting for a while longer. :toast


Couldn't it just be a deal between OKC and Minny?

If AK wanted to go to OKC, it would just be a deal between those two.

[xmas1997]

Bruno, I know you want AK47 badly, I do too, but isn't this a bit of a stretch?

[Mal]

Like article said anything

[SpursSerb]

At this point i would happy with just Kirilenko not going to OKC.

[xmas1997]

At this point i would happy with just Kirilenko not going to OKC.

Me too!

[Bruno]

Bruno, you're driving yourself mad here. I worry for your mental health.

It's over, mon ami.

Yeah, I know. :)


Hi Bruno. In this scenario, would Bonner have to have agreed to extend the date for a possible 1 million dollar buyout?

Yes, he would and that's one of the various reason why it's an unlikely trade.


I'm all for it, but I can't see OKC wanting to help us out in landing a guy who seems to be tailor-made for guarding Durant.

If Minny has enough space below the cap to take Bonner $1M and to sign Martin, they wouldn't be able to stop a Kirilenko to Spurs S&T. If Minny hasn't enough cap space to do that, it would be for sure an issue.

[freetiago]

just sign Artest once hes amnestied and call it an offseason tbh...

[Bruno]

If Martin were willing to sign for the MLE, would Minny be able to trade Kirilenko in a "normal" trade where they take back roughly equal salaries in return?

Martin and Minny have still agreed on an above MLE deal ($28M/4 years). This S&T would allow Minny to have the MLE+LLE left instead of the room exception.

[Baam]

Well AK is going somewhere, as long as we don't know where you can't stop wondering, because even if it's not us he said he wanted to play on a contender badly... His destination could impact our chances quite a bit no matter what he does...

[Mel_13]

Martin and Minny have still agreed on an above MLE deal ($28M/4 years). This S&T would allow Minny to have the MLE+LLE left instead of the room exception.

:smchode:

Just when I think I'm getting the hang of this stuff.

Thanks, Bruno.

[SpursSerb]

So a deal involving just Spurs and Wolves is not possible?

[xmas1997]

Martin and Minny have still agreed on an above MLE deal ($28M/4 years). This S&T would allow Minny to have the MLE+LLE left instead of the room exception.

I don't think the Minny FO is that smart.

[Baam]

The Spurs working out Gelabale doesn't make me optimistic... But I at least hope he doesn't end up on the Rockets or OKC...

[TD 21]

At this point i would happy with just Kirilenko not going to OKC.

I wouldn't worry about it. They let Martin walk because they refuse to pay the tax and the players they've been rumored interested in, Wright and Delfino, are room exception caliber players and even one of them, in addition to signing their draft picks and a third PG, will make it difficult to avoid the tax.

[Baam]

I wouldn't worry about it. They let Martin walk because they refuse to pay the tax and the players they've been rumored interested in, Wright and Delfino, are room exception caliber players and even one of them, in addition to signing their draft picks and a third PG, will make it difficult to avoid the tax.

What about the Rockets? Asik for AK?

[xmas1997]

I just hope he goes somewhere soon so we can either celebrate or cry. Lol

[Bruno]

Bruno, I know you want AK47 badly, I do to, but isn't this a bit of a stretch?

Yep, it's a wild speculation. It isn't impossible because Spurs have been said to be interested in Kirilenko and because this trade quite makes sense for all the teams involved, but it remains highly unlikely.

[HarlemHeat37]

What about the Rockets? Asik for AK?

Asik wants to start, he would have the same issue in Minny, where he would be playing behind Love and Pekovic(assuming they keep him, which seems to be their plan), tbh..

[ducks]

very strange team or team is not leaked what the sign and trade would be
very spur like in that aspect
NOT SAYING SPURS ARE TEAM

[xmas1997]

Plus I keep remembering he is good friends with TP and it would make the most sense for him to want to come here, but as you said, highly unlikely it happens, just wish it would.

[Hoops Czar]

The Spurs aren't trading Bonner.

[Bruno]

A simpler version of that fantasy trade could be:
Spurs trade Bonner+De Colo for Kirilenko
Minny trade Kirilenko for a TE
Utah trade cap space for Bonner and De Colo

Spurs would send cash to Utah to cover Bonner's buyout.

[ducks]

So a deal involving just Spurs and Wolves is not possible?

it is if they can agree on something

trades like this ususally involve a player and a second round pick

[xmas1997]

A simpler version of that fantasy trade could be:
Spurs trade Bonner+De Colo for Kirilenko
Minny trade Kirilenko for a TE
Utah trade cap space for Bonner and De Colo

Spurs would send cash to Utah to cover Bonner's buyout.

Lets say something like this happens and Bonner is bought out. Aren't there rules in place now to discourage the origin team from taking him back? Because I seriously doubt the Spurs will let Bonner go, don't know why, but they love this guy despite all his faults.

[Rogue]

AK47 is still a decent player but he wouldn't be a better SF option than Leonard. Playing him at PF? This would've sounded nice before Splitter was signed to the 4yr/36m contract. If AK47 only wants a ring w/o giving a shit about whatever pay and role he's gonna get, he will choose Miami over the Spurs.

[Marrow]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU

[yavozerb]

I expect AK to go to Dallas or Atl.

[weebo]

The Spurs aren't trading Bonner and not getting AK. They'll either get someone from the Summer leagues or a player cut after the preseason. They'll sign the guy, stick him to the end of the bench, send him to Austin for a few games, and play sparingly the second half of the season.

Manu, Green, Beli, and Diaw will probably play back up SF by committee.

[Sean Cagney]

The Spurs aren't trading Bonner and not getting AK. They'll either get someone from the Summer leagues or a player cut after the preseason. They'll sign the guy, stick him to the end of the bench, send him to Austin for a few games, and play sparingly the second half of the season.

Manu, Green, Beli, and Diaw will probably play back up SF by committee.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS!

[PlayNando]

I'm pretty sure Belinelli is going to be our backup SF, tbh. Is it ideal? Eh, maybe not, but it's going to be the way it is.

AK47 is mostly a pipe dream, tbh, though I do hope it happens. I doubt a player of his caliber wants to be a bench player, though.

[mountainballer]

Excellent point.

So many want to assume that the Spurs had a plan to create and use cap space. We'll never know it that was ever the case. Even if they did have AK47 as a possible target, that plan could have died on initial contact with AK's agent if he told the Spurs that a 2 year deal wouldn't be considered. The Spurs had to go beyond 2015 with Splitter, as they will with Kawhi, but they very well may have drawn the line right there.

I remember AK state that he opted out because of the lenght of his contract. asked what number of years he is seeking he answered: at least 3. 2015 will be the year of the re start of the Spurs franchise. it might take a max (or at least borderline max) contract to keep Kawhi. Tiago costs about 10 million for 2015-16. depending on what happens with Tony Spurs might have the cap room for a max FA. if they sign AK for 3 years, this scenario is dead. (call it the Kevin Love scenario)
no doubt Spurs were interested in AK. no doubt they didn't offer more that 2 years. so, no doubt as well, that they never had a legit chance to get him.

[Bruno]

Lets say something like this happens and Bonner is bought out. Aren't there rules in place now to discourage the origin team from taking him back? Because I seriously doubt the Spurs will let Bonner go, don't know why, but they love this guy despite all his faults.

Spurs won't be able to re-sign him but the "love affair" between Pop and Bonner is highly overrated.

This year, Bonner played 909 minutes in the regular season while Blair played 851 minutes and De Colo 920 minutes. In the playoffs, he played 267 minutes but if you take away the first 5 games where Diaw and/or Splitter were injured, he played 146 minutes in the last 16 games which makes 9.1 mpg.

I don't think Spurs decision of keeping him for a cost of $3M was that easy to take and it's fully possible that the deadline did indeed get pushed and Spurs are still working on what to do with his partially guaranteed contract.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Spurs won't be able to re-sign him but the "love affair" between Pop and Bonner is highly overrated.

This year, Bonner played 909 minutes in the regular season while Blair played 851 minutes and De Colo 920 minutes. In the playoffs, he played 267 minutes but if you take away the first 5 games where Diaw and/or Splitter were injured, he played 146 minutes in the last 16 games which makes 9.1 mpg.

I don't think Spurs decision of keeping him for a cost of $3M was that easy to take and it's fully possible that the deadline did indeed get pushed and Spurs are still working on what to do with his partially guaranteed contract.

And add to the fact that they have now got 5 Frontcourt players already - Duncan, Splitter, Diaw, Baynes, Pendergraph and Bonner is clearly going to be either the 5th or the 6th big in that list if he is included... in that case, the Spurs are definitely going to overpay him if they intend to keep him.

I doubt if the intention is to retain him and I think the Spurs are trying to trade his expiring contract.

I also think, for all his flaws and faults, Bonner is very tradeable for his unique value.

[Raven]

freaking belinelli :depressed

[T Park]

freaking belinelli :depressed


Yeah, sucks to upgrade depth.

[Raven]

Yeah, sucks to upgrade depth.

neal >>> belinelli

[Bruno]

http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Wolfson_Timberwolves_extend_formal_contract_offer_ to_Nikola_Pekovic070813

The same source said while unrestricted free agent forward Andrei Kirilenko's camp is pushing for a sign-and-trade, the more likely scenario has the Wolves renouncing his rights.



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[look_at_g_shred]

http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Wolfson_Timberwolves_extend_formal_contract_offer_ to_Nikola_Pekovic070813




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Dude that asked the question look like Rubio :lol

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I would have loved to have had AK 47 as a backup SF and PF, but the Spurs had other plans.

I like both the Belinelli and Pendergraph signings. Marco should be able to help out right away and Pendergraph is Blair's replacement, a guy 3" taller and who has an outside jumper.

The last two roster spots are more than likely going to come from the Summer League and possibly T-Mac signing for the Vet Min. I think Richards and/or Thomas will be on the roster for the Minimum next season and spend most of the year with the Toros developing. They are the only Spurs draft picks not under contract at the moment.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Dude that asked the question look like Rubio :lol

I'm pretty sure the guy asking the question is on the right, standing next to Rubio.

[SpursSerb]

Not sure Utah wants to sign long term deal with Kirilenko,they are obviously tanking next season.That is probably the biggest reason he hasn't found a suitor yet,he wants a long term deal.

[Chinook]

Spurs won't be able to re-sign him but the "love affair" between Pop and Bonner is highly overrated.

This year, Bonner played 909 minutes in the regular season while Blair played 851 minutes and De Colo 920 minutes. In the playoffs, he played 267 minutes but if you take away the first 5 games where Diaw and/or Splitter were injured, he played 146 minutes in the last 16 games which makes 9.1 mpg.

I don't think Spurs decision of keeping him for a cost of $3M was that easy to take and it's fully possible that the deadline did indeed get pushed and Spurs are still working on what to do with his partially guaranteed contract.

Besides just the potential for amnesty, extending Bonner's deadline would also give the Spurs the ability to take back more salary for his contract than they had previously (~$4.6 Million last year to ~$6 Million this year). It's possible they had a trade target in mind that would require them to use that difference, but I couldn't tell you who that would be. Since the Wolves seem content to stay over the cap this season, they probably can be persuaded to take on a bit of Bonner's salary, provided the Spurs actually give them something of value to do so.

[thunderup]

neal >>> belinelli
Agreed. Neal lacks basic defensive skills like defensive awareness on the perimeter. Another thing Neal lacks is the awareness to step out of permanent heat check mode. From the games I've seen he takes so many ill-advised shots it's almost criminal. By default, Marco is an upgrade over Neal.

I'm pretty sure the guy asking the question is on the right, standing next to Rubio.

:lol Good catch partner.

[SpursFan4-Life]

again, they have no money for him now, obviously they're out

[mudyez]

Would have loved him, but right now I'm just hoping T-Mac comes back and tutors KL a little bit.

[dbestpro]

The Spurs are done for the off season. Manu will be moved into the starting lineup. Danny Green will play backup SF. Marco is the backup SG. Thomas will get a chance in summer league to prove he should get a chance for a roster spot. The only signing will be vet minimum SF, if that.

If the plan does not work, then the Spurs will look to do a midseason swap of Diaw and Bonner for a player whose team wants to shed salary.

[elec99]

The Spurs are done for the off season. Manu will be moved into the starting lineup. Danny Green will play backup SF. Marco is the backup SG. Thomas will get a chance in summer league to prove he should get a chance for a roster spot. The only signing will be vet minimum SF, if that.

If the plan does not work, then the Spurs will look to do a midseason swap of Diaw and Bonner for a player whose team wants to shed salary.

You know you may have something. With his explosiveness gone he no longer fits the bill of being the punch off the bench, so inserting him into a lineup where he is possible scoring option number 4 is more likely??

This is getting interesting, manu could be the spot up shooter in the starting lineup, the expectations drop a little and he might be a bit more comfortable with that. That being said, if the roster stands as it is that means nando and green share the 2 and 3 spots.

[ceperez]

I would have loved to have had AK 47 as a backup SF and PF, but the Spurs had other plans.

I like both the Belinelli and Pendergraph signings. Marco should be able to help out right away and Pendergraph is Blair's replacement, a guy 3" taller and who has an outside jumper.

The last two roster spots are more than likely going to come from the Summer League and possibly T-Mac signing for the Vet Min. I think Richards and/or Thomas will be on the roster for the Minimum next season and spend most of the year with the Toros developing. They are the only Spurs draft picks not under contract at the moment.

Roster as it stands today:

Parker/Joseph/DeColo/Mills
Ginobili,Belinelli,Green
Leonard
Duncan/Bonner/Pendegraph/Diaw
Splitter/Baynes

14 players already on the payroll.... and word out is that Spurs are talking to Morrow (as a backup plan if Neal isn't signed... which he hasn't yet)

[monkeypunk]

Roster as it stands today:

Parker/Joseph/DeColo/Mills
Ginobili,Belinelli,Green
Leonard
Duncan/Bonner/Pendegraph/Diaw
Splitter/Baynes

14 players already on the payroll.... and word out is that Spurs are talking to Morrow (as a backup plan if Neal isn't signed... which he hasn't yet)

I hope they don't sign Morrow unless they have a trade in place. Belinelli would seem to make Morrow redundant...

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, it looks more like the Spurs are trying to work a trade than anything. If it doesn't work out in the offseason, those expiring deals aren't going anywhere and rolling with the current lineup is far from a disaster despite what is being posted lately.

[T Park]

neal >>> belinelli


Only in your world.

[Nathan89]

The Spurs are done for the off season. Manu will be moved into the starting lineup. Danny Green will play backup SF. Marco is the backup SG. Thomas will get a chance in summer league to prove he should get a chance for a roster spot. The only signing will be vet minimum SF, if that.


Danny Green is not being taken out of the starting lineup. His offense is entirely dependent on other creating shots for him. He's also the second best perimeter defender so the Spurs get much more benefit if he's guarding a starter.

[Raven]

Only in your world.

i'm not exactly sure what people expect from him, he's neal with worse shooting, worse defense and worse playmaking ability.

[DesignatedT]

i'm not exactly sure what people expect from him, he's neal with worse shooting, worse defense and worse playmaking ability.

Neal was a terrible shooter this season. Neal is not a better defender. Last part is debatable.

Belinelli was asked to do a ton in Chicago this year with all their injuries. His numbers don't tell the kind of season he had.

Neal was the worst player on the team besides Jackson during the regular season.

[DesignatedT]

dp

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Neal was a terrible shooter this season. Neal is not a better defender. Last part is debatable.

Belinelli was asked to do a ton in Chicago this year with all their injuries. His numbers don't tell the kind of season he had.

Neal's stats don't tell his story either. He was injured.

[DesignatedT]

Neal's stats don't tell his story either. He was injured.

Not buying it.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Not buying it.

...

Did you see him at the beginning of the year and the finals compared to the beginning of the playoff and end of regular season?

[DesignatedT]

...

Did you see him at the beginning of the year and the finals compared to the beginning of the playoff and end of regular season?

Without the game three barrage of three pointers by Green and Neal, Gary shot 36% from the field in the Finals (15-41). He had one good game, which he deserves credit for but this game is seriously clouding peoples judgment. Not to mention his horrendous defense all series long.

I'm not saying Belinelli is some huge upgrade but he is indeed an upgrade.

[Raven]

Neal was a terrible shooter this season. Neal is not a better defender. Last part is debatable.

Belinelli was asked to do a ton in Chicago this year with all their injuries. His numbers don't tell the kind of season he had.

Neal was the worst player on the team besides Jackson during the regular season.

he shot .395 and .357 from 3, i'm not sure if that's clear to everyone.. he's been a fredette type of defender until thibs got something out of him, something completely irrelevant since even robinson looked like he could defend there.. i'm not hating, but i know him well enough to expect the worst tbh..

[DesignatedT]

he shot .395 and .357 from 3, i'm not sure if that's clear to everyone.. he's been a fredette type of defender until thibs got something out of him, something completely irrelevant since even robinson looked like he could defend there.. i'm not hating, but i know him well enough to expect the worst tbh..








Neal shot an even worse % than Belinelli last season from three. Belinelli was also asked to do a lot of things he isn't comfortable doing with all the injuries Chicago was dealing with. He was practically running point some games. Neal was playing in his normal role off the bench, playing in the Spurs high octane offense, off of players like Tim, Tony and Manu and shot a worse % than Beli. Belinelli was playing next to guys like Robinson and Jimmy Butler in a horrible offensive system.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Without the game three barrage of three pointers by Green and Neal, Gary shot 36% from the field in the Finals (15-41). He had one good game, which he deserves credit for but this game is seriously clouding peoples judgment. Not to mention his horrendous defense all series long.

I'm not saying Belinelli is some huge upgrade but he is indeed an upgrade.

Why are you discluding the barrage?

That's like me saying "without averaging 17 rebounds per game for his career, Rodman averaged 12 in his final year"

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Neal shot an even worse % than Belinelli last season from three. Belinelli was also asked to do a lot of things he isn't comfortable doing with all the injuries Chicago was dealing with. He was practically running point some games. Neal was playing in his normal role off the bench, playing in the Spurs high octane offense, off of players like Tim, Tony and Manu and shot a worse % than Beli. Belinelli was playing next to guys like Robinson and Jimmy Butler in a horrible offensive system.

No he didn't. Bellineli didn't shoot very well this year, but that was due to them making him become a playmaker. He will do good on the Spurs, but you're making stuff up.

[DesignatedT]

Why are you discluding the barrage?

That's like me saying "without averaging 17 rebounds per game for his career, Rodman averaged 12 in his final year"

Add in the game 3 and it brings his fg% up to 41%. Hardly spectacular.

I was pointing out that all people seem to remember is that one game.

[DesignatedT]

No he didn't. Bellineli didn't shoot very well this year, but that was due to them making him become a playmaker. He will do good on the Spurs, but you're making stuff up.

Gary Neal shot .355 from three this season.

Marco Belinelli shot .357 from three this season.

So no I am not making stuff up.

Neal got to play in his normal role off the bench, play next to guys like tim tony and manu, play in the spurs high octane offense which creates tons of open looks.

Belinelli had to play out of position all season, play in a horrible offensive system, play with guys like nate robinson and joakim noah.

[monkeypunk]

Why are you discluding the barrage?

That's like me saying "without averaging 17 rebounds per game for his career, Rodman averaged 12 in his final year"

People are discounting the shooting in the one game because it's just one game. If he shot like that the entire Finals then we'd have already resigned him ourselves, tbh. According to you, we should give DB a ten year max contract because he had 23 rebounds in a game??

Don't give big paydays to the inconsistent guys (yeah yeah, Manu Manu whatever) and you keep your team competitive.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

People are discounting the shooting in the one game because it's just one game. If he shot like that the entire Finals then we'd have already resigned him ourselves, tbh. According to you, we should give DB a ten year max contract because he had 23 rebounds in a game??

Don't give big paydays to the inconsistent guys (yeah yeah, Manu Manu whatever) and you keep your team competitive.

Show me where I said he needs a max.

It doesn't matter if it's just "one game". That "one game" counts.

Spurs fans logic: Lets not count the games where the player did good, only the bad games, so we can talk shit about him.

[DesignatedT]

Show me where I said he needs a max.

It doesn't matter if it's just "one game". That "one game" counts.

Spurs fans logic: Lets not count the games where the player did good, only the bad games, so we can talk shit about him.


I specifically said he deserved credit for that game. Was just trying to show you how awful he was in the other 6.

I also said, counting game 3 he shot 41% from the field in the series.

[BatManu20]

So now that the Spurs are out of the running for his services, where will he likely end up? I don't see any contenders with enough cap space to sign AK47. It will likely be with a bottom-feeder. What a waste.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I specifically said he deserved credit for that game. Was just trying to show you how awful he was in the other 6.

I also said, counting game 3 he shot 41% from the field in the series.

.. with most of those being threes. 41% from three is good.

[monkeypunk]

Show me where I said he needs a max.

It doesn't matter if it's just "one game". That "one game" counts.

Spurs fans logic: Lets not count the games where the player did good, only the bad games, so we can talk shit about him.

I was just using you as an example.

When you look at a player and whether they are worth a contract, you have to take the whole season in account, not just one good game.

Obviously, Neal has value as a shooter but Beli brings more to the table, imo, than a Neal.

Swap Neal and Beli last year, do you think Neal will shoot that well in a system not as geared towards creating open looks as the Spurs? And what would Beli's numbers look like on the Spurs? As DesignatedT already said, Beli shot better over the course of last year than Neal did, in our system.

I think Beli can have a breakout shooting year in our offense and still bring more BBIQ to the table than Neal.

Full Of Win, this pickup is...

[SpursSerb]

So now that the Spurs are out of the running for his services, where will he likely end up? I don't see any contenders with enough cap space to sign AK47. It will likely be with a bottom-feeder. What a waste.

I guess he overestimated his value on the market.Biggest problem is that he wants a long contract.It seems that the bottom-feeders are the only left.

[raybies]

So now that the Spurs are out of the running for his services, where will he likely end up? I don't see any contenders with enough cap space to sign AK47. It will likely be with a bottom-feeder. What a waste.

From HoopsRumors Via Wolfsn of ESPN Twin Cities
The Thunder have interest in signing-and-trading Kevin Martin (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/martike02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.typepad.com) to the Wolves, but an outright signing is more likely. Andrei Kirilenko (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kirilan01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.typepad.com)'s camp is also pushing for a sign-and-trade, says Wolfson, but the Wolves are more likely to simply renounce his rights.

[mudyez]

right now it probably would look like this:

Parker/Joseph/DeColo
Green/Ginobili/Mills
Leonard/Belinelli
Duncan/Diaw/Bonner
Splitter/Pendegraph/Baynes

(Manu actually will play some PG and Mills will be together on the court with Nando/Manu)

short playoff rotation:
Parker/Joseph
Green/Ginobili
Leonard/Belinelli
Duncan/Diaw
Splitter

(with Leonard playing small ball 4 thats ok)

That said: A true backup SF would be nice (even better if he can play some PF for the playoffs too) and we could afford loosing Nando/Mills in order to get one (I don't see mills leaving).

F*** AK47 is just what is missing

[elec99]

Regarding KM, Thats what happens when you allow someone to become a FA, the time for you to get something in return has past. Too late.

Re AK: not sure why MN doesnt want to get something for AK as opposed to just letting him walk? Unless they simply dont want to add to their cap.

[Bruno]

Spurs last semi realistic possibility to get Kirilenko is trough a S&T. It will end up Wednesday when Minny will likely sign Kevin Martin and will have to renounce at Kirilenko's bird rights.

At least, rumors won't drag during the whole summer.

[apalisoc_9]

Spurs last semi realistic possibility to get Kirilenko is trough a S&T. It will end up Wednesday when Minny will likely sign Kevin Martin and will have to renounce at Kirilenko's bird rights.

At least, rumors won't drag during the whole summer.

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/So-Youre-Telling-Me-Theres-a-Chance-In-Dumb-and-Dumber-Gif.gif

[raybies]

right now it probably would look like this:

Parker/Joseph/DeColo
Green/Ginobili/Mills
Leonard/Belinelli
Duncan/Diaw/Bonner
Splitter/Pendegraph/Baynes

(Manu actually will play some PG and Mills will be together on the court with Nando/Manu)

short playoff rotation:
Parker/Joseph
Green/Ginobili
Leonard/Belinelli
Duncan/Diaw
Splitter

(with Leonard playing small ball 4 thats ok)

That said: A true backup SF would be nice (even better if he can play some PF for the playoffs too) and we could afford loosing Nando/Mills in order to get one (I don't see mills leaving).

F*** AK47 is just what is missing

I like the way that looks. I don't think SF is a good idea for Manu but Marco, yeah, maybe. Also do you think Pendergraph is ahead of Baynes? Would like to see him on the Summer League. Would be interesting to see both Baynes and Pendergraph, but I think Jims addition as the big man coach is going to make a difference.

[Chinook]

Pendergraph is a four-year vet who can play multiple positions. He'll be ahead of Baynes in the rotation. I actually am not sure Baynes will make it out of training camp, as much as I like him. He's the only player on the roster right now with a non-guaranteed deal.

The real question is if Pendergraph will get time over Bonner.

[DesignatedT]

Is there any confirmation about Baynes playing Summer League? It will be big for him.

[BatManu20]

Pendergraph is a four-year vet who can play multiple positions. He'll be ahead of Baynes in the rotation. I actually am not sure Baynes will make it out of training camp, as much as I like him. He's the only player on the roster right now with a non-guaranteed deal.

The real question is if Pendergraph will get time over Bonner.

I'm pulling hard for Baynes. He's got some skill for a man his size, he just needs to put it all together. Plus, he's great to have around when we play teams big centers. He'd be nice to have to throw at Dwight when we face Houston too. He played him unbelievably well in the first round.

[mudyez]

I like the way that looks. I don't think SF is a good idea for Manu but Marco, yeah, maybe. Also do you think Pendergraph is ahead of Baynes? Would like to see him on the Summer League. Would be interesting to see both Baynes and Pendergraph, but I think Jims addition as the big man coach is going to make a difference.

Not 100% sure about Pendergraph and Baynes. Just thinking that Pendergraph is making more money and probably will be more flexible (Baynes is for Dwight and Memphis). I like both of them but doubt either will play a big role come playoff time.

[ace3g]

Bruno (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2449) which out of these teams still have more than MLE?

Atlanta, Charlotte, Cleveland, Dallas, Detroit, Houston, Milwaukee, Orlando, Philadelphia, Portland, Sacramento and Utah.

[DPG21920]

Pendergraph is a four-year vet who can play multiple positions. He'll be ahead of Baynes in the rotation. I actually am not sure Baynes will make it out of training camp, as much as I like him. He's the only player on the roster right now with a non-guaranteed deal.

The real question is if Pendergraph will get time over Bonner.

Weren't you just speaking about expectations? A 4 year vet that can play multiple positions? I guess. But what he really is, is someone who's been in the league 4 years, blown out his knee, not really stuck on any team (Spurs are his 3rd team now in that 4 years) and could not really beat out very below average players for PT on Indy.

Not sure where you get this "he will beat out Baynes" and "can play mulitple positions" stuff from to be completely honest. I mean, he may be able to do those things but he hasn't shown the ability to do it consistently nor at a high level. He hasn't even ever played in that many games nor posted an above average PER in a single season.

[elec99]

Alright, let's cut the crap and get this done:

S&T of AK for:

Bonner
Nando
Mills
Neal

Neal's new salary will have to be adjusted to make the trade work.
MN gets a spread 4 in bonner to backup Love when he sits, they also get a shooter in Neal.
And yes, they get more PGs that they dont need but they are short contracts so they can participate in the FA bonanza of 2014.
Pop's man crush for bonner ends.



AKs camp is pushing for a S&T ( Andrei Kirilenko's camp is also pushing for a sign-and-trade, says Wolfson, but the Wolves are more likely to simply renounce his rights. http://www.hoopsrumors.com/minnesota-timberwolves/) , plus MN only has, what, 8 signed players after waiving Stiemsma??




Sorry, had to get it out of my system.....

[elec99]

9 after signing Kevin Martin....

[Chinook]

Weren't you just speaking about expectations? A 4 year vet that can play multiple positions? I guess. But what he really is, is someone who's been in the league 4 years, blown out his knee, not really stuck on any team (Spurs are his 3rd team now in that 4 years) and could not really beat out very below average players for PT on Indy.

Not sure where you get this "he will beat out Baynes" and "can play mulitple positions" stuff from to be completely honest. I mean, he may be able to do those things but he hasn't shown the ability to do it consistently nor at a high level. He hasn't even ever played in that many games nor posted an above average PER in a single season.

We're talking about the fifth-big spot here. A player in that role isn't supposed to have an illustrious resume. But the Spurs chose to guarantee money to a player (and more than the minimum at that) much earlier in the off-season than they would have if they thought he was going to be the sixth big. This wasn't a training camp invite here. What's true is that Pendergraph has shown in his small sample size that he has the skills to play out on the perimeter and in the post. Baynes has a cool-looking jumper that I hope gets better, but the team clearly doesn't see him as a four. Pendergraph could very well see time at both spots this season.

The Spurs are his third team in five years, not four. That may seem like it doesn't matter, but it makes a difference. The Blazers cut him after he got injured, but they loved him before that. He was so highly thought of that he received a higher-than-minimum offer even though he was still recovering. Then he played out his contract and managed to get another raise, due in large part to his personal coach vouching for him. He's improved each of the last two seasons. He's a bit of a journeyman, but he's not camp fodder.

It's no secret I want to see Pendergraph be another success story and end up solidifying a spot in the rotation. But I'd be fine seeing Baynes do that instead. I just think that Pendergraph has his spot on the roster guaranteed, while Baynes doesn't. Aron is pretty much in direct competition with the summer-league bigs for a spot right now. Jeff would have to be horrible for the Spurs to cut him.

[benefactor]

Pendergraph is a four-year vet who can play multiple positions. He'll be ahead of Baynes in the rotation. I actually am not sure Baynes will make it out of training camp, as much as I like him. He's the only player on the roster right now with a non-guaranteed deal.

The real question is if Pendergraph will get time over Bonner.
According to Sham Baynes' deal is guaranteed.

[Bruno]

player on the roster right now with a non-guaranteed deal.

AFAIK, Baynes contract is fully guaranteed.

[DPG21920]

I thought part of getting Baynes over mid-season was that they gave him guaranteed money?

[Chinook]

According to Sham Baynes' deal is guaranteed.


AFAIK, Baynes contract is fully guaranteed.


I thought part of getting Baynes over mid-season was that they gave him guaranteed money?

Indeed it is. That's good to know, thanks. I didn't want the team to have incentive to cut him over other players.

But having six bigs under guaranteed contracts this early is interesting. It'll be interesting to see if it stays that way.

[Bruno]

Bruno (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2449) which out of these teams still have more than MLE?

Atlanta, Charlotte, Cleveland, Dallas, Detroit, Houston, Milwaukee, Orlando, Philadelphia, Portland, Sacramento and Utah.

7 remains: Atlanta, Cleveland, Dallas, Detroit, Orlando, Philadelphia and Sacramento.

Wolfson is reporting that Kirilenko's camp is pushing for a S&T. It means that there is a least one team, outside these 7 teams, that has offered Kirilenko a contract he would be willing to sign. If you removes teams above the apron who can't receive a player in a S&T, about 18 teams could have made Kirilenko that offer. Spurs are one of these 18 teams.

[coachmac87]

Chinook is a tard....Danny Green shooting off the dribble...please.

You're a joke

[Chinook]

Chinook is a tard....Danny Green shooting off the dribble...please.

You're a joke

So pointless. It's not my fault you are too stuck in your confirmation bias to look at a stat sheet.

Or do you want to look foolish by questioning sample size again?

[elec99]

7 remains: Atlanta, Cleveland, Dallas, Detroit, Orlando, Philadelphia and Sacramento.

Wolfson is reporting that Kirilenko's camp is pushing for a S&T. It means that there is a least one team, outside these 7 teams, that has offered Kirilenko a contract he would be willing to sign. If you removes teams above the apron who can't receive a player in a S&T, about 18 teams could have made Kirilenko that offer. Spurs are one of these 18 teams.

Basically AK wants to go to a contender. But of the 7 teams with an MLE none are contenders thus he's pushing for a S&T, more than likely with a contender.

Hope I'm understanding this right.

[coachmac87]

So pointless. It's not my fault you are too stuck in your confirmation bias to look at a stat sheet.

Or do you want to look foolish by questioning sample size again?

I'm Jk bud. But seriously your sample size was 3 shots out of 30......

[Chinook]

I'm Jk bud. But seriously your sample size was 3 shots out of 30......

No, my sample size was bigger than that. Those were examples of off-dribble threes he took in the Finals. Not only was that enough to show he can do it, but I showed stats for all the long twos he took during year, nearly all of which (I can't think of any that weren't) were off the dribble.

Your only defense was that you can't remember any, and then you tried to suggest a poll. Then I just let it lie there, and you brought it up again.

[apalisoc_9]

Chinook is a tard....Danny Green shooting off the dribble...please.

You're a joke

:lol

I don't think chinooks is advocating a Manu Ginobili or a similar role to what kawhi leonard should be getting next year. Green just needs to come up with a counter move against defenders the closes on him. A floater ( highly unlikely, although you would hope he could develop that). But a dribble and fast release from mid-range is realistic to learn this summer IMO.

[Bruno]

Basically AK wants to go to a contender. But of the 7 teams with an MLE none are contenders thus he's pushing for a S&T, more than likely with a contender.

Hope I'm understanding this right.

These 7 teams could offer Kirilenko more than the MLE, which is what he is seeking. If one of these teams were really interested in Kirilenko, they would likely jut sign him without needing a S&T.

It looks like there is at least one team that is looking to get Kirilenko through a S&T. Now, You can remove:
- Teams with cap space because a S&T wouldn't be needed for them.
- Teams with a really high payroll because the new CBA forbid them to get a player thorugh S&T.
- Teams that are loaded at the forward spots.
- Teams in full rebuilding mode who won't go after an aging Kirilenko.

I haven't do the counting, but, at the end, there should have about 10 teams that are realistic landing spots for a Kirilenko S&T. Spurs are obviously one of these 10 teams.

Wolfson also said that this S&T scenario wasn't the most likely one and that the more likely would be Minny renounced to Kirilenko's bird rights.

[Proxy]

No, my sample size was bigger than that. Those were examples of off-dribble threes he took in the Finals. Not only was that enough to show he can do it, but I showed stats for all the long twos he took during year, nearly all of which (I can't think of any that weren't) were off the dribble.

Your only defense was that you can't remember any, and then you tried to suggest a poll. Then I just let it lie there, and you brought it up again.

Danny Green is a spot up shooter.

His finals stats aren't indicative of his skill set considering the performance was an anomaly. Spurs aren't going to call an iso for him at the top of the key, which is an indication of what your stats are attempting to imply.

[Raven]

Neal shot an even worse % than Belinelli last season from three. Belinelli was also asked to do a lot of things he isn't comfortable doing with all the injuries Chicago was dealing with. He was practically running point some games. Neal was playing in his normal role off the bench, playing in the Spurs high octane offense, off of players like Tim, Tony and Manu and shot a worse % than Beli. Belinelli was playing next to guys like Robinson and Jimmy Butler in a horrible offensive system.

neal played backup point for the whole season when he's obviously an sg.. belinelli got to statpad as much as he wanted, and still got nowhere and not even got extended by a team lacking any bench..

(also, according to 82games.com , belinelli played the point exactly 0% of the time)

[Chinook]

Danny Green is a spot up shooter.

His finals stats aren't indicative of his skill set considering the performance was an anomaly. Spurs aren't going to call an iso for him at the top of the key, which is an indication of what your stats are attempting to imply.

No, the original discussion was about if Green could shoot off the dribble. I said he can and that he had done so throughout the year. Then he asked for examples. I said he did so a few times during the Finals, and he also did so on his long twos.

Green can shoot the ball off the dribble, as in he has that skill already established in his game. But because a play that gets Green a shot that isn't a three-pointer or a layup is such a low priority for the offense, we only rarely saw it. Green has a lot of things he needs to work on, but his poor Finals showing from inside the arch actually biases people in the opposite direction. He's not nearly as bad scoring from two as he seemed in the Finals; he's just incredibly inconsistent.

[DesignatedT]

neal played backup point for the whole season when he's obviously an sg

no he didnt.


belinelli got to statpad as much as he wanted

lol

[Proxy]

No, the original discussion was about if Green could shoot off the dribble. I said he can and that he had done so throughout the year. Then he asked for examples. I said he did so a few times during the Finals, and he also did so on his long twos.

Green can shoot the ball off the dribble, as in he has that skill already established in his game. But because a play that gets Green a shot that isn't a three-pointer or a layup is such a low priority for the offense, we only rarely saw it. Green has a lot of things he needs to work on, but his poor Finals showing from inside the arch actually biases people in the opposite direction. He's not nearly as bad scoring from two as he seemed in the Finals; he's just incredibly inconsistent.

Neal, Kawhi, and Manu have done enough to get attempts within the arc as wings to serve as a reasonable comparison for us figure that Green's dribbling skills aren't up to par, regardless of how many of his attempts are technically classified as off the dribble.

Green getting those plays called (or rarely called) for him is a result of his skill set, so arguing that his stats are a result of those play calls is a faulty argument imo. He does a great job in getting open and reading the defender, but his scoring opportunities aren't generated by his handles.

[spursfan4ever]

Neal, Kawhi, and Manu have done enough to get attempts within the arc as wings to serve as a reasonable comparison for us figure that Green's dribbling skills aren't up to par, regardless of how many of his attempts are technically classified as off the dribble.

Green getting those plays called (or rarely called) for him is a result of his skill set, so arguing that his stats are a result of those play calls is a faulty argument imo. He does a great job in getting open and reading the defender, but his scoring opportunities aren't generated by his handles.

Shit, man... Make up another thread about Green's ball handling skills. Every time I see a new post in this thread, I'm hoping for some good news that is on topic. Take this debate elsewhere.

[BackHome]

I think we can all agree that Green sucks at trying to create his own shot and has a difficult time dribbling the ball. The same thing happened last year and I said this last year "Good player just needs to learn how to dribble the ball.....How can you be in the NBA and not know how to dribble?. He needs to play this summer on some team and he needs to be the PG.....I don't care if it is a high school team play PG the whole summer.

[Chinook]

Neal, Kawhi, and Manu have done enough to get attempts within the arc as wings to serve as a reasonable comparison for us figure that Green's dribbling skills aren't up to par, regardless of how many of his attempts are technically classified as off the dribble.

Green getting those plays called (or rarely called) for him is a result of his skill set, so arguing that his stats are a result of those play calls is a faulty argument imo. He does a great job in getting open and reading the defender, but his scoring opportunities aren't generated by his handles.

This is probably where most of the disagreement is coming from. Being able to shoot off the dribble has nothing to do with how well one dribbles. The skill is that a player can get into a consistent shooting motion when they are dribbling the ball, which is markedly more difficult than getting into a shooting motion after catching the ball while set. What some people are trying to argue is that Green can't get his own shot, meaning he can't consistently (or even usually) beat his man off the dribble and nail a pull-up shot. We all agree on that, and I have no problem admitting he needs to add that to his game to be a more-complete player.

But shooting off the dribble has more uses than just being able to get one's own shot. It allows players to make shots off screens and to pull up on the break drain a three. Green can do that, so that already makes him more than just a spot-up shooter. But his handles prevent him from being a good option to get into a pull-up situation, since he probably holds the ball the least amount of game time out of any of the starters outside of Splitter (at least ideally). So even though Green CAN hit threes off the dribble, under no normal circumstances would Pop want Green to end the Spurs' possessions that way (and neither do Spurs fans, seeing as so many of us hate when Neal and Ginobili do it). But when Danny is on a hot streak, he will call his own number shoot pull-ups, as he showed in the Heat series.

So to reiterate, Green is not a good dribbler. He should not try to beat his man off the dribble and get his own shot unless/until he develops better handles. But that doesn't mean he's just a spot-up shooter. His ability to hit open threes in many different circumstances (off-dribble, off-screen, transition and spot-up) makes him a shooter in Ray Allen's vein (not in his caliber, at least not yet), not in Bowen's or Mike Miller's. As Pop showed against Golden State, the Spurs understand that Green can do more with his skill set than he has shown. I imagine they'll build on the plays they actually did call for him next year.

[xmas1997]

Shit, man... Make up another thread about Green's ball handling skills. Every time I see a new post in this thread, I'm hoping for some good news that is on topic. Take this debate elsewhere.


I agree, I thought this thread was about AK47!!!!

[Chinook]

Shit, man... Make up another thread about Green's ball handling skills. Every time I see a new post in this thread, I'm hoping for some good news that is on topic. Take this debate elsewhere.


I agree, I thought this thread was about AK47!!!!

You're right. I'm moving to the thread Mac created. Sorry for the inconvenience.

[Proxy]

This is probably where most of the disagreement is coming from. Being able to shoot off the dribble has nothing to do with how well one dribbles. The skill is that a player can get into a consistent shooting motion when they are dribbling the ball, which is markedly more difficult than getting into a shooting motion after catching the ball while set. What some people are trying to argue is that Green can't get his own shot, meaning he can't consistently (or even usually) beat his man off the dribble and nail a pull-up shot. We all agree on that, and I have no problem admitting he needs to add that to his game to be a more-complete player.

But shooting off the dribble has more uses than just being able to get one's own shot. It allows players to make shots off screens and to pull up on the break drain a three. Green can do that, so that already makes him more than just a spot-up shooter. But his handles prevent him from being a good option to get into a pull-up situation, since he probably holds the ball the least amount of game time out of any of the starters outside of Splitter (at least ideally). So even though Green CAN hit threes off the dribble, under no normal circumstances would Pop want Green to end the Spurs' possessions that way (and neither do Spurs fans, seeing as so many of us hate when Neal and Ginobili do it). But when Danny is on a hot streak, he will call his own number shoot pull-ups, as he showed in the Heat series.

So to reiterate, Green is not a good dribbler. He should not try to beat his man off the dribble and get his own shot unless/until he develops better handles. But that doesn't mean he's just a spot-up shooter. His ability to hit open threes in many different circumstances (off-dribble, off-screen, transition and spot-up) makes him a shooter in Ray Allen's vein (not in his caliber, at least not yet), not in Bowen's or Mike Miller's. As Pop showed against Golden State, the Spurs understand that Green can do more with his skill set than he has shown. I imagine they'll build on the plays they actually did call for him next year.

then the discussion is an argument about semantics

but yeah, forget this. C'mon AK-47, please get to us via S&t

[Outlier]

You are delusional if you don't think Rockets got a lot better.

[Kindergarten Cop]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--cavs-make-andrew-bynum--24-million-offer-015715453.html

Bynum, 25, left Cleveland to travel to Atlanta to meet with Hawks officials, and Cleveland has begun to engage free agents Andrei Kirilenko and Elton Brand on possible one-year deals that would preclude the Cavaliers from the ability to sign Bynum, league sources said.

[DesignatedT]

Kirilenko makes sense for Cleveland, but they aren't going to give him a long term deal like he wants.

[spurs10]

Like a lot of people, I've been hoping AK47 would come our way. The fact that he would probably be a great fit is hard to deny. He's friends with TP and Pop is a fan, I've been told. We don't have a backup for Kawhi and he'd be a great small ball PF. It could still happen I suppose, but the silence is deafening. I have a one track mind about the team right now; redemption. Every little move that could help us win is all I care about. The two players we acquired seem like fair enough substitutes for Neal and Blair. Maybe they are an improvement? Now I'm wondering if the FO thinks AK47 is the improvement we need the most. Kawhi is sure to play big minutes and Diaw was pretty impressive in the playoffs. Do we have enough minutes? Would backing up Kawhi and being the 3rd or 4th big be enough for him? I'd like to think it would, and that playing on a winning and focused team would be more important than anything else. Is TP's backup going to be covered by CJ, Patty, or Nando? I think a move is coming, just don't know if it's going to happen this summer....

[spursfan4ever]

As I understand by reading this thread and Bruno's info in the think tank forum is that Kirilenko wants to play for a contender BUT he also wants a long term deal. According to what everyone's info here on Spurstalk is that the only way the Spurs can sign him is on a S/T deal or amnesty Bonner and let go Nando, right? So Cleveland is not a possibility where he would go. Bruno? Chinook? Coyote? Anyone?

[Vic Petro]

Woj says this was our guy. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--spurs--talks-for-andrei-kirilenko-end-without-deal-052544949.html

[loveforthegame]

Figures. :td

[spurraider21]

Woj says this was our guy. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--spurs--talks-for-andrei-kirilenko-end-without-deal-052544949.html

ouch

[Marcus Bryant]

So he wanted closer to $40MM than $24MM.

[TheGoldStandard]

Yup because we didn't have flexibility.

[BatManu20]

Bummer.

354837522779619331

[T Park]

Yup because we didn't have flexibility.


Root for another team.

[TheGoldStandard]

Now these offseason moves really don't make sense.

[spurraider21]

tell them we'll throw in nando

[TheGoldStandard]

Root for another team.
Really? That's your response? I make a comment that we didn't land a guy because we didn't have cap flexibility to offer a deal.. Didn't say "Oh shit it's all over" Great Job buddy.

[MannyIsGod]

If AK could have been had for 8 million per then Manu really screwed the Spurs.

[TheGoldStandard]

If AK could have been had for 8 million per then Manu really screwed the Spurs.

Keeping Bonner too..

[MannyIsGod]

Really? That's your response? I make a comment that we didn't land a guy because we didn't have cap flexibility to offer a deal.. Didn't say "Oh shit it's all over" Great Job buddy.

If Tpark ever tells you to root for another team ask him about 2005 in the Finals.

[BatManu20]

Bummer.

354837522779619331

I only Manu took less money tbh.

[ElNono]

How does Flip Saunders lands a GM job? :lol

[MannyIsGod]

Keeping Bonner too..

Yeah that too.

[Marcus Bryant]

Then either Kirilenko signs with someone for a high dollar one year deal or he learns that his decision wasn't the best and takes a multi-year deal for the MLE. Spurs at least tried to find a way to get him more $.

[InRareForm]

damn...

[TheGoldStandard]

Then either Kirilenko signs with someone for a high dollar one year deal or he learns that his decision wasn't the best and takes a multi-year deal for the MLE. Spurs at least tried to find a way to get him more $.

I wonder if he was an afterthought.. After they signed Manu and Splitter they say, "shit AK47 is still available lets go after him" or was he called prior.. because then that says a lot about the guys negotiating there deals.

[MannyIsGod]

The Spurs moves just become more and more puzzling. If AK had interest here - it seems a better idea to use your capspace to land him at all costs before signing Pendergraph and Bellinelli. Why limit yourself to a S&T for those 2 when they're fairly redundant here? Makes me wonder who the Spurs were considering in their offer. Was Danny Green part of that package?

Who the fuck would the TWolves find appealing that didn't include Danny Green? Bonner and Diaw? LOL

[TheGoldStandard]

The Spurs moves just become more and more puzzling. If AK had interest here - it seems a better idea to use your capspace to land him at all costs before signing Pendergraph and Bellinelli. Why limit yourself to a S&T for those 2 when they're fairly redundant here? Makes me wonder who the Spurs were considering in their offer. Was Danny Green part of that package?

Who the fuck would the TWolves find appealing that didn't include Danny Green? Bonner and Diaw? LOL

Depends when the interest was there.. Was it after they signed Tiago and Manu or before... you go to them and tell them they need to be flexible because they're trying to land AK and then that says a lot about that deals.. or was this an afterthought... did they reach out and get a figure after they signed Manu/Tiago and still went ahead with Marco/Pendergraph and keeping Bonner...

Its very puzzling.

[spurraider21]

http://hotpopjunk.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/no-darth_vader.jpeg

[Nathan89]

Spurs didn't offer Green in the S&T. They offered Bonner and more crap.

[MannyIsGod]

Tiago and Manu were the first orders of business. You didn't know how much capspace you had until that was taken care of. So they were obviously limited a bit there, but I think it would have been possible to get to the 8 million per year mark with some moves to open up cap space. Maybe not after Manu's deal though. If they had cut Bonner then it would have all been moot because they would have had the space.

Keeping Bonner is probably the biggest mistake of the offseason.

[spurraider21]

call them back and throw in another 1st. idc. something. not like we're going to be serious contenders in the immediate post big-3 era anyway. lets do whatever we can do win over the next year or two.

[MannyIsGod]

Spurs didn't offer Green in the S&T. They offered Bonner and more crap.


There were possible combinations of Spurs assets that appealed to the T'wolves, but ultimately Minnesota was unable – or unwilling – to take back the contracts on what could've been an $8 million to $9 million annual salary agreement for Kirilenko, league sources said.

I doubt that Bonner and Crap was what appealed to the Twolves. I think it was Bonner+Green. Maybe Diaw+Green.

[Vic Petro]

:pop: If you have to put Matty in the deal RC, ask for Kevin Love first.

[TheGoldStandard]

Tiago and Manu were the first orders of business. You didn't know how much capspace you had until that was taken care of. So they were obviously limited a bit there, but I think it would have been possible to get to the 8 million per year mark with some moves to open up cap space. Maybe not after Manu's deal though. If they had cut Bonner then it would have all been moot because they would have had the space.

Keeping Bonner is probably the biggest mistake of the offseason.

They did call Monta early, wonder if they were in contact with Kirelenko. At that point I low ball Manu and tell him what they're trying to do over collectively tell them both to take a smaller salary. Doesn't make sense with what they did after, as if they went out of there way to sign guys that they could flip? Bonner has been a brutal mistake for a long time.

[ElNono]

I don't know what's so puzzling... Spurs wanted the same team back, stalled a potential bid war for Neal by bringing Belli, and replaced Blair with Pendergraph. If there was a shot at trading up for better talent (ie: AK) good, but hardly a priority. This FO hardly ever gambles.

[spurraider21]

I doubt that Bonner and Crap was what appealed to the Twolves. I think it was Bonner+Green. Maybe Diaw+Green.

get over your Green theory tbh

[Vic Petro]

Marc Stein had them on Kirilenko on July 1st

[siraulo23]

this sucks :td

[TheGoldStandard]

I don't know what's so puzzling... Spurs wanted the same team back, stalled a potential bid war for Neal by bringing Belli, and replaced Blair with Pendergraph. If there was a shot at trading up for better talent (ie: AK) good, but hardly a priority. This FO hardly ever gambles.

AK is not really a gamble.. he's a bench guy and that probably would have been understood, would still have been getting minutes and even if he sucked at offense his defense is still something.

[Marcus Bryant]

Perhaps part of the S&T scenario was to amnesty Bonner.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't know what's so puzzling... Spurs wanted the same team back, stalled a potential bid war for Neal by bringing Belli, and replaced Blair with Pendergraph. If there was a shot at trading up for better talent (ie: AK) good, but hardly a priority. This FO hardly ever gambles.

Kirelenko isn't really a gamble. Not having a replacement for Neal or Blair hardly qualify as gambles either. Waiving Bonner early isn't a gamble. These really are some bad mistakes by the FO. I'm not usually critical - and I've defended them this offseason - but we didn't really need Neal or Blair replacements or Matt Bonner as much as we needed a guy like AK.

[MannyIsGod]

get over your Green theory tbh

Who do you think the TWolves found appealing then? Do you think Danny Green is somehow untradeable?

[Texas_Ranger]

Spurs not good

[Marcus Bryant]

Marc Stein had them on Kirilenko on July 1st

So now Kirilenko is looking at MLE offers. Much more appropriate for his age.

[TheGoldStandard]

Perhaps part of the S&T scenario was to amnesty Bonner.

Perhaps but at the same time factoring in what they could have done by not signing Pendergraph or Marco 1st and Amnestying bonner to begin with they could have freed up cap space much sooner and locked in this deal.

[MannyIsGod]

So now Kirilenko is looking at MLE offers. Much more appropriate for his age.

Maybe - maybe not. If he ends up getting an MLE deal then it makes the Spurs moves even worse, IMO.

[Nathan89]

I doubt that Bonner and Crap was what appealed to the Twolves. I think it was Bonner+Green. Maybe Diaw+Green.

They are giving Kevin Martin 4 years 28 mil. If green was involved they would have done the deal in a heart beat.

[spurraider21]

I don't know what's so puzzling... Spurs wanted the same team back, stalled a potential bid war for Neal by bringing Belli, and replaced Blair with Pendergraph. If there was a shot at trading up for better talent (ie: AK) good, but hardly a priority. This FO hardly ever gambles.

what's puzzling is that we had loads of cap room and didn't do anything productive with it, when the opportunity was there. "in a bubble" i wasn't upset with the tiago contract, or even the Manu contract, for that matter. but when you put them together, it really hampered our offseason's potential. and if one of them was to take less, it would be your boy Manu. based on his minutes, his production, and inability to stay healthy, he should have agreed to a smaller sum. all in all, i'm glad he's back. its just we were so happy we got out of the RJ contract 1 year early, but we could have made the EXACT same moves even with that contract in the books.

for years people have been talking about the closing window, and I think at this point we are going with the theory that the window is open as long as the big 3 are around. now that there is a firm expiration date on that (2015), i think the FO should have done absolutely everything in its power to load up for the last ride. can we win with the team as currently constructed? sure. we darn near did just a few weeks ago. but if they could have taken a measure or two to increase those odds, it should have been a priority.

this is why its puzzling, at least to me

[ElNono]

AK is not really a gamble.. he's a bench guy and that probably would have been understood, would still have been getting minutes and even if he sucked at offense his defense is still something.

No, you're missing the point. They could've done all this ass backward moves to try to clear $8m in cap space then Cavs come in and offer AK $12m/4 years. That's the gamble. I think they feel pretty good with the team we have. That's the priority. If you can improve from there, good.

[spursince#99]

so it's completely over? No chance now? And Hell no Danny Green wasn't apart of that possible sign & trade.

[racm]

If Kahn were still with the Twolves AK would be a Spur by now imo

[Marcus Bryant]

Yet they haven't signed anyone. Yet.

[MannyIsGod]

They are giving Kevin Martin 4 years 28 mil. If green was involved they would have done the deal in a heart beat.

They wanted to do the deal. It was the total salary for the players they were getting they balked at. Woj's article said this.

[spurraider21]

So now Kirilenko is looking at MLE offers. Much more appropriate for his age.
If kirilinko is seriously willing to accept the MLE we should honestly flip the bird to Belinelli and Pendergraph :lol
none of these contract agreements are set in stone yet

i know i'm speaking idiot, but i'm delusional right now

[MannyIsGod]

No, you're missing the point. They could've done all this ass backward moves to try to clear $8m in cap space then Cavs come in and offer AK $12m/4 years. That's the gamble. I think they feel pretty good with the team we have. That's the priority. If you can improve from there, good.

So you're telling me this team would be much worse off if they didn't have Pendergraph, Belinelli and Bonner? Ehhhhhh.

[spursince#99]

I'm mad.

[Marcus Bryant]

No, you're missing the point. They could've done all this ass backward moves to try to clear $8m in cap space then Cavs come in and offer AK $12m/4 years. That's the gamble. I think they feel pretty good with the team we have. That's the priority. If you can improve from there, good.

Now you wait and allow Kirilenko to find out the market price is the MLE for him.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

fckin shit Spurs.

[TheGoldStandard]

No, you're missing the point. They could've done all this ass backward moves to try to clear $8m in cap space then Cavs come in and offer AK $12m/4 years. That's the gamble. I think they feel pretty good with the team we have. That's the priority. If you can improve from there, good.

There had to have been a price tag in discussions early on that would have indicated where the Spurs needed to be.. I have a strong feeling this was an afterthought, they signed players and then were like shit we have way too many guards.. lets see if we can tempt TWolves to make a deal to give us AK..

[spurraider21]

Who do you think the TWolves found appealing then? Do you think Danny Green is somehow untradeable?

the spurs aren't looking to give a roster facelift. they are bringing back the core guys. yes, danny green is one of the core guys. i'm sure they wanted to bring in talent like monta ellis or AK47, but not to substitute our core guys

[MannyIsGod]

the spurs aren't looking to give a roster facelift. they are bringing back the core guys. yes, danny green is one of the core guys. i'm sure they wanted to bring in talent like monta ellis or AK47, but not to substitute our core guys

Danny Green is not a core guy. He's a role player. Straight up answer: Do you think Danny Green is untradeable?

[SA210]

:lol Bonner

[MannyIsGod]

The Spurs aren't about to reneg on deals to sign Pendergraph and Bellinelli. Most here now probably have no idea who this is but they're not going to be like him.

http://www.nba.com/clippers/photos/Lamond-Murray-1.jpg

[ElNono]

So you're telling me this team would be much worse off if they didn't have Pendergraph, Belinelli and Bonner? Ehhhhhh.

I'm telling you they like the formula that they had last season, except they didn't want Blair and didn't know if Neal was going to be available to re-sign.

And don't tell me you just found out this FO loves Bonner, whatever it is he brings to this team.

[Spursfanfromafar]

The Spurs definitely had more leeway early in the offseason to go for a good backup SF to Kawhi and address a few of its small ball weaknesses. By getting rid of TMac, Blair, and Neal, they could have carved out enough cap space (and if they were lent more than a big helping hand by Manu) to sign Kirilenko or they could have just waited to sign him for the MLE following Manu's and Tiago's contracts. I think they missed a trick by signing Belinellli & Pendergraph who are not really upgrades over Neal & Blair.

I think between the two risks - expecting the MLE to be less for AK47 and going without replacements for Blair & Neal vs expecting to S&T for AK47 after finding replacements for Blair & Neal, the Spurs chose the latter. But they only put the ball in Minnesota's court rather than the market's court in the first risk. I think it was a misread by the Spurs FO. They should have taken a risk with trying the MLE option for AK47 before signing Belinelli/ Pendergraph who could surely have been available later as well (perhaps not Belinelli but surely Pendergraph).

[Nathan89]

If AK was going to take the MLE wouldn't the Spurs and the Wolves worked out a deal worth closer to the MLE instead of 8-9mil?

[spurraider21]

Danny Green is not a core guy. He's a role player. Straight up answer: Do you think Danny Green is untradeable?

in any circumstance? no, green isn't untradeable. in a deal where the centerpiece is a 32 year old SF/PF, yes, he's untradeable.

[Marcus Bryant]

If AK was going to take the MLE wouldn't the Spurs and the Wolves worked out a deal worth closer to the MLE instead of 8-9mil?

What are his options to get more than the MLE?

[MannyIsGod]

I'm telling you they like the formula that they had last season, except they didn't want Blair and didn't know if Neal was going to be available to re-sign.

And don't tell me you just found out this FO loves Bonner, whatever it is he brings to this team.

I know they love Bonner but that doesn't make keeping him a good move.

[ElNono]

There had to have been a price tag in discussions early on that would have indicated where the Spurs needed to be.. I have a strong feeling this was an afterthought, they signed players and then were like shit we have way too many guards.. lets see if we can tempt TWolves to make a deal to give us AK..

I think he was a target, just not the priority.

[MannyIsGod]

in any circumstance? no, green isn't untradeable. in a deal where the centerpiece is a 32 year old SF/PF, yes, he's untradeable.

LOL thanks. I would trade DG straight up for AK and not even blink. I promise you the Spurs would too. 32 years old or not, Kirilenko is a better player.

[ElNono]

I know they love Bonner but that doesn't make keeping him a good move.

Well, we're trying to figure out what the FO is thinking, not what you or I like (and I agree with you about Bonner)

[TheGoldStandard]

There needs to be a petition to not resign him next season

[Nathan89]

What are his options to get more than the MLE?

1yr deal with the Cavs, go overseas, perhaps something else.

[spurraider21]

LOL thanks. I would trade DG straight up for AK and not even blink. I promise you the Spurs would too. 32 years old or not, Kirilenko is a better player.

you seem like you would trade Green for a lot of things, tbh

[spurraider21]

1yr deal with the Cavs, go overseas, perhaps something else.

actually, if the Cavs manage to land Bynum and Kirilenko, thats pretty nasty, provided both injury prone guys stay healthy

[ElNono]

IMO, the fact that the Spurs guaranteed Bonner's salary early on is the indication they were not going to use the cap. That turned Bonner's contract into a juicy expiring deal, which they could use now or even later in the season.

[Marcus Bryant]

Kirilenko doesn't get the multiyear deal he wants. If he wants to leave the NBA, sure.

This may not be over. Just the S&T is.

[MannyIsGod]

you seem like you would trade Green for a lot of things, tbh

Not a lot of things at all. I just recognize that right now is a good time to sell high on Danny Green for the right players. An AK type player is exactly the deal I would make. I'm willing to be thats exactly the deal our front office would make too since Woj pretty much just reported that.

[TheGoldStandard]

Kirilenko doesn't get the multiyear deal he wants. If he wants to leave the NBA, sure.

This may not be over. Just the S&T is.

We can't offer all that much

[Man In Black]

Well, we're trying to figure out what the FO is thinking, not what you or I like (and I agree with you about Bonner)

Maybe this guy who knows the Spurs and Pop already?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--magic-negotiating-buyout-with-hedo-turkoglu-210244170.html

[spurraider21]

Maybe this guy who knows the Spurs and Pop already?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--magic-negotiating-buyout-with-hedo-turkoglu-210244170.html

:vomit:

[MannyIsGod]

Maybe this guy who knows the Spurs and Pop already?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--magic-negotiating-buyout-with-hedo-turkoglu-210244170.html

LOL why man? WHY?

[MannyIsGod]

Kirilenko doesn't get the multiyear deal he wants. If he wants to leave the NBA, sure.

This may not be over. Just the S&T is.

We don't have the MLE to offer.