Chuck Barkley agrees with Zimmerman trial verdict

[AchillesHeel]

when did you nerds become experts on "lean" and when did watermelon juice and skittles become ingredients to make it?http://i44.tinypic.com/27zit1e.png so any kid going to the corner store with now n laters and sprite is also making lean? what about mike&ikes and big red? GTFOH.

i don't do drugs anymore, but i used to sip lean frequently when i was a young knucklehead and the only candy we used were jolly ranchers(which was rare because it tastes better with just promethazine/codeine &sprite) and even then trayvon had no trace of opiates in his system so......

This nigga knows what's up, that's that Screw Juice.

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They're going to grasp at any straw no matter how short it is to justify a grown man taking the life of a black teenager.

Who was an accomplished "club fighter" in his own right and was in the commission of felony assault when he was stopped.

[Chief Brody]

when did you nerds become experts on "lean" and when did watermelon juice and skittles become ingredients to make it?http://i44.tinypic.com/27zit1e.png so any kid going to the corner store with now n laters and sprite is also making lean? what about mike&ikes and big red? GTFOH.

i don't do drugs anymore, but i used to sip lean frequently when i was a young knucklehead and the only candy we used were jolly ranchers(which was rare because it tastes better with just promethazine/codeine &sprite) and even then trayvon had no trace of opiates in his system so......

Phenergan isn't an opiate.

[Spursfan092120]

Don't even try to reason with them. They're going to grasp at any straw no matter how short it is to justify a grown man taking the life of a black teenager. I think we all know the answer to this. But if aggressive black wannabe cop named DeSean who had a history of beating his wife, assaulting a police officer, flunked out of most his classes and allegedly molested his cousin shot a weed-smoking and hoodie wearing white teenager under the same circumstances; would they be attempting to defend the shooter with this much vigor? And would they trying this hard to de-humanize the victim?
Did the white teenager attack the black wannabe cop repeatedly until the black wannabe cop felt his life was endangered?

[Spursfan092120]

when did you nerds become experts on "lean" and when did watermelon juice and skittles become ingredients to make it?http://i44.tinypic.com/27zit1e.png so any kid going to the corner store with now n laters and sprite is also making lean? what about mike&ikes and big red? GTFOH.

i don't do drugs anymore, but i used to sip lean frequently when i was a young knucklehead and the only candy we used were jolly ranchers(which was rare because it tastes better with just promethazine/codeine &sprite) and even then trayvon had no trace of opiates in his system so......
Watermelon juice is an alternative to Sprite when making lean that adds more flavor. Got friends who drink it...there's my "expertise." Jolly Ranchers are used (sometimes), and so are Skittles.

[chrhawk]

Did the white teenager attack the black wannabe cop repeatedly until the black wannabe cop felt his life was endangered?

We wouldn't know. All we have to go on is his word just like we did in this case. That's my point what would the perception be? Would have the country who believed that Zimmerman was a victim that had to put down an unarmed black teenager to save his life be the same ones to believe that a black neighborhood watchman who is armed had to put down an unarmed white teenager to save his life?

[Trill Clinton]

Watermelon juice is an alternative to Sprite when making lean that adds more flavor. Got friends who drink it...there's my "expertise." Jolly Ranchers are used (sometimes), and so are Skittles.

you have friends who sip lean, riiiiiiighthttp://i43.tinypic.com/9tdahw.jpg

one vid of many of people making lean using jolly ranchers as the candy of choice, you'd be hard pressed to find someone using skittles.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zSdm03G9Jc

[Spursfan092120]

We wouldn't know. All we have to go on is his word just like we did in this case. That's my point what would the perception be? Would have the country who believed that Zimmerman was a victim that had to put down an unarmed black teenager to save his life be the same ones to believe that a black neighborhood watchman who is armed had to put down an unarmed white teenager to save his life?
So the witness means nothing to you? The person who was there that said Trayvon was doing it? And Rachel Jeantel who said Trayvon was putting "whoop-ass" on Zimmerman..she's not believable either? Those two people are out the window? What makes a witness credible to you?

[Spursfan092120]

you have friends who sip lean, riiiiiiighthttp://i43.tinypic.com/9tdahw.jpg

one vid of many of people making lean using jolly ranchers as the candy of choice, you'd be hard pressed to find someone using skittles.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zSdm03G9Jc
Tell me why I can't have friends who sip lean? It's things like that that make me sick. You know nothing about me, but you assume you know me and who I hang out with when all you know about me is the color of my skin. How is that not racist? Yes, Jolly Ranchers are used most of the time..but sometimes people use Skittles also.

[Spursfan092120]

If you want to know a little bit about your "racist murderer," you can start about 5:05. Before that, it's just about Trayvon's past in MMA, and how witnesses say he was reigning down with MMA style blows on GZ, not to mention tweets asking where he can score some codeine, and people telling him he can use candy and Robitussin to make some fire ass lean.

Ebu6Yvzs4Ls

[Chief Brody]

Tell me why I can't have friends who sip lean? It's things like that that make me sick. You know nothing about me, but you assume you know me and who I hang out with when all you know about me is the color of my skin. How is that not racist? Yes, Jolly Ranchers are used most of the time..but sometimes people use Skittles also.
:lolmore future copypasta from Brannon

[Spursfan092120]

:lolmore future copypasta from Brannon
Take it for what you want..doesn't make it any less true.

[spurraider21]

If you want to know a little bit about your "racist murderer," you can start about 5:05. Before that, it's just about Trayvon's past in MMA, and how witnesses say he was reigning down with MMA style blows on GZ, not to mention tweets asking where he can score some codeine, and people telling him he can use candy and Robitussin to make some fire ass lean.

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in b4 trill calls Bill Whittle a racist on the grounds that he is white

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^Good find, 21.

[Trill Clinton]

Tell me why I can't have friends who sip lean? It's things like that that make me sick. You know nothing about me, but you assume you know me and who I hang out with when all you know about me is the color of my skin. How is that not racist? Yes, Jolly Ranchers are used most of the time..but sometimes people use Skittles also.

you can have friends who sip lean if you want. i just find it hard to believe *trill shrug* but hey, if you choose to hang around those type of people, more power to ya. again never heard or seen anyone use skittles but if that helps your argument of painting a dead teen as a druggy then go ahead.


If you want to know a little bit about your "racist murderer," you can start about 5:05. Before that, it's just about Trayvon's past in MMA, and how witnesses say he was reigning down with MMA style blows on GZ, not to mention tweets asking where he can score some codeine, and people telling him he can use candy and Robitussin to make some fire ass lean.

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i'm not gonna watch a 10 minute vid of some square in a suit, who's probably never heard of lean until this year all of a sudden he's a expert, smear a dead teen. most kids and even adults on social media are showoff and try hards who are attention whores. trayvon was an attention whore because if he sipped so much lean then there would be traces of it in his toxicology report, right?

and:lmao "fire ass lean" using robitussin. all that tells me is trayvon had no clue on what lean was if he thought that was some fire. ask ya buddies if robitussin is just as good as codeine lol.

[chrhawk]

Tell me why I can't have friends who sip lean? It's things like that that make me sick. You know nothing about me, but you assume you know me and who I hang out with when all you know about me is the color of my skin. How is that not racist? Yes, Jolly Ranchers are used most of the time..but sometimes people use Skittles also.

What witnesses? One said he saw Trayvon on top, but it was dark and rainy and one was on phone with him. So in a sense, the only story we had to go by was Zimmerman's. And my point is how believeable would it have been to half of the country is is defending Zimmerman now if the shooter had been black and the victim white? And speaking of Jeantel, when did she all of a sudden become a credible witness? Oh, that's right when she said that Martin referred to Zimmerman as a "creepy ass cracka". But when she said that she heard Travon saying "get off me" she wasn't credible. Which is it? Either she is credible and you believe everything she says or she isn't and you don't believe anything she says.

[chrhawk]

Tell me why I can't have friends who sip lean? It's things like that that make me sick. You know nothing about me, but you assume you know me and who I hang out with when all you know about me is the color of my skin. How is that not racist? Yes, Jolly Ranchers are used most of the time..but sometimes people use Skittles also.

What witnesses? One said he saw Trayvon on top, but it was dark and rainy and one was on phone with him. So in a sense, the only story we had to go by was Zimmerman's. And my point is how believeable would it have been to half of the country is is defending Zimmerman now if the shooter had been black and the victim white? And speaking of Jeantel, when did she all of a sudden become a credible witness? Oh, that's right when she said that Martin referred to Zimmerman as a "creepy ass cracka". But when she said that she heard Travon saying "get off me" she wasn't credible. Which is it? Either she is credible and you believe everything she says or she isn't and you don't believe anything she says.

[Mori Chu]

I don't know anything about Lean, and I don't even care whether Trayvon was trying to make Lean or just buying candy for the sake of eating candy. I do care that he starting beating the living hell out of Zimmerman and that he had nary a scratch on his body until the gunshot. It's possible that Zimmerman threatened Trayvon or intimidated him or insulted him to cause Martin to attack him that way, but there is no evidence to support that hypothesis, certainly not enough to be sure beyond reasonable doubt. Not guilty.

[Mori Chu]

And my point is how believeable would it have been to half of the country is is defending Zimmerman now if the shooter had been black and the victim white?

Honestly I agree that I would be more bothered if a white guy was shot by a black guy and the shooter got away with it. But I would still have to accept that not guilty was the right verdict. There isn't enough evidence to convict, no matter what race each person involved is.

People keep bringing up some other case of a black woman firing warning shots and being put in prison. I don't know anything about that case; maybe she is wrongly convicted, I'm not sure. But either way, that doesn't mean that Zimmerman should be going to jail. Nobody has come even remotely close to proving beyond reasonable doubt that he did not act in self-defense to save his own life as he claims to have done.

[phoenix219]

Honestly I agree that I would be more bothered if a white guy was shot by a black guy and the shooter got away with it. But I would still have to accept that not guilty was the right verdict. There isn't enough evidence to convict, no matter what race each person involved is.

People keep bringing up some other case of a black woman firing warning shots and being put in prison. I don't know anything about that case; maybe she is wrongly convicted, I'm not sure. But either way, that doesn't mean that Zimmerman should be going to jail. Nobody has come even remotely close to proving beyond reasonable doubt that he did not act in self-defense to save his own life as he claims to have done.

Its shitty for the woman who fired into the air, but I think it was something like, there was no threat to her immediate life, so she had no business shooting the gun period, but Im' not sure. I haven't looked that deeply into it, because no one has made such a huge deal out of it, and it hasn't been in the media to the point where I *had* to go look up all the details and establish my own opinion. :P

[Trill Clinton]

Its shitty for the woman who fired into the air, but I think it was something like, there was no threat to her immediate life, so she had no business shooting the gun period, but Im' not sure. I haven't looked that deeply into it, because no one has made such a huge deal out of it, and it hasn't been in the media to the point where I *had* to go look up all the details and establish my own opinion. :P

her life was in immediate danger. go to the political forum and look for the epic zimmerman thread, i laid all the details surrounding that case out as well.

[Trill Clinton]

too many suns fans in this thread.

[spurraider21]

Its shitty for the woman who fired into the air, but I think it was something like, there was no threat to her immediate life, so she had no business shooting the gun period, but Im' not sure. I haven't looked that deeply into it, because no one has made such a huge deal out of it, and it hasn't been in the media to the point where I *had* to go look up all the details and establish my own opinion. :P


her life was in immediate danger. go to the political forum and look for the epic zimmerman thread, i laid all the details surrounding that case out as well.

i don't buy that, because that woman left the house, went to her car, retrieved a gun, came back into the house, then fired the gun in a room with 2 kids in it

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i don't buy that, because that woman left the house, went to her car, retrieved a gun, came back into the house, then fired the gun in a room with 2 kids in it

They'll drive you to it.

[Trill Clinton]

i don't buy that, because that woman left the house, went to her car, retrieved a gun, came back into the house, then fired the gun in a room with 2 kids in it

she never left the house. you sure we're talking about the same story?

[spurraider21]

Gray told prosecutors in the deposition that Alexander came back into the house holding the weapon and told him to leave. He refused, and what happened next is somewhat unclear. In his deposition, Gray said "she shot in the air one time," prompting him and the children to run out the front door.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/)

[Trill Clinton]

smh she attempted to leave the house by going out through the garage but the door was locked...here is her own husband's testimony of what happened:



As for the day of the shooting incident, he says when he saw the texts on Alexander’s phone he pushed his way into the bathroom to confront her. He said in the deposition: “I was mad, you know. I said, what the f—- is this, and you know, I told her that ... if I can’t have you nobody going to have you … She ain’t shit.”

Gray said that when she tried to leave the bathroom, “I met her where the sink was, and she wanted to get by me and I wouldn’t let her by and I was backing up slow but I was using my body to pretty much contain her in that one area where I want her to be at. [S]he got the bathroom door closed and she locked it, so I were beating on it. [I] was there waiting for her to come out of the bathroom.”

“I was in a rage. I was in a rage, so I was saying a lot of things.” He said, “I beat on the door hard enough where it could have been broken open. [P]robably has some dents.” And: “I was mad, you know … I called her a whore and a bitch.”

“She was trying to get by and I was sitting there trying to make her talk to me. [T]he more she didn’t want to talk about it, the more I was not letting her by.” After she got out of the bathroom, “I was telling her, she ain’t going nowhere, she going to sit right here. [S]he was trying to get by … and I was telling her she not going nowhere.”

He was asked, “Did you ever tell her you knew people that would do your dirt?” Gray said, “Yeah. [I] ain’t going to lie. I been in the streets … I know a lot of people …” Asked if the purpose of “saying something like that was to let her know if she didn’t do what you wanted her to do that you could have hurt her or something?,” he answered, “That’s correct.”

He described her going to the garage, “but I knew that she couldn’t leave out the garage because the garage door was locked …” He reiterated, “I knew she couldn’t get out of the garage.”

“She came back through the doors and she had a gun [from her car]. And she said, ‘You need to leave.’ I told her, I ain’t leaving until you talk to me … and I started walking towards her and she shot in the air.”

Remember, Corey claims that Alexander was not scared at this point. Really. She also claims that Rico Gray lied in this deposition to protect Alexander. Because misogynist monsters always implicate themselves in crimes to protect women.

It’s amazing that Rico Gray can admit in excruciating detail in a deposition to violent attacks on multiple women and be a free man, but when one of those women tries to defend herself, that’s just a bridge too far for Angela Corey.

If there is any justice, the governor of Florida will pardon Alexander—as many online petitions are urging him to do—and make clear that it’s the abusers who are the menace to society, not the abused.



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/07/19/angela-corey-s-overzealous-prosecution-of-marissa-alexander.html

[Chief Brody]

Trill, she left the room (or house, if detached), went to the garage and retrieved a shotgun.

[Trill Clinton]

http://i43.tinypic.com/2i6jlzk.gif

[chrhawk]

Honestly I agree that I would be more bothered if a white guy was shot by a black guy and the shooter got away with it. But I would still have to accept that not guilty was the right verdict. There isn't enough evidence to convict, no matter what race each person involved is.

People keep bringing up some other case of a black woman firing warning shots and being put in prison. I don't know anything about that case; maybe she is wrongly convicted, I'm not sure. But either way, that doesn't mean that Zimmerman should be going to jail. Nobody has come even remotely close to proving beyond reasonable doubt that he did not act in self-defense to save his own life as he claims to have done.

At least you're honest, I have no problem with the verdict either, the prosecution was ass from the start. That doesn't I think Zimmerman is innocent or he felt his life was in danger. The problem I have is that there are people trying so hard to justify a non-black adult following a black teenager while carrying a loaded weapon because of their own racial biases.

[Chief Brody]

btw, I agree that it's asinine what's happening in that case.

[Trill Clinton]

At least you're honest, I have no problem with the verdict either, the prosecution was ass from the start. That doesn't I think Zimmerman is innocent or he felt his life was in danger. The problem I have is that there are people trying so hard to justify a non-black adult following a black teenager while carrying a loaded weapon because of their own racial biases.

:tu

[spurraider21]

Couldn't care less if Martin was black or white, and couldn't care less if Zimmerman was white black hispanic asian. There wasn't anywhere near enough evidence to get a conviction, and quite frankly wasn't much even to go to trial. They're selling the race story and you're all buying. In the time since the verdict was passed, there have been 6 blacks in chicago killed by blacks, but I don't see anybody protesting there demanding stricter gun laws or demanding justice for the lost lives. No rallies, no pickets, no national outcry. You're all buying the race narrative. It's as if one black man's life is worth more than the other 6 combined just because the killer's skin was of a certain color. It's disgusting tbh

[phoenix219]

http://www.dlas.org/questions-zimmerman-verdict/

Last thing i'm sayin on the matter. Just read and answer the quesiontairre. It goes great with the video posted earlier in the thread.

And who in the *fuck* cares what team any of us are a fan on, when it comes to an issue this big?!

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^& the POTUS is spearheading that white wash.

[Trill Clinton]

Couldn't care less if Martin was black or white, and couldn't care less if Zimmerman was white black hispanic asian. There wasn't anywhere near enough evidence to get a conviction, and quite frankly wasn't much even to go to trial. They're selling the race story and you're all buying. In the time since the verdict was passed, there have been 6 blacks in chicago killed by blacks, but I don't see anybody protesting there demanding stricter gun laws or demanding justice for the lost lives. No rallies, no pickets, no national outcry. You're all buying the race narrative. It's as if one black man's life is worth more than the other 6 combined just because the killer's skin was of a certain color. It's disgusting tbh

yea we already said according to the law he would be found not guilty, we off that. just not buying the coward's story tis all.

[spurraider21]

yea we already said according to the law he would be found not guilty, we off that. just not buying the coward's story tis all.

oh. well then we fall back again into hypotheticals, opinions, and biased predispositions. but by all means, speculate as you wish

[BigTex342006]

If I lived in that neighborhood and knew that several burglaries have occurred recently and my neighborhood watch guy didn't check out a young man walking around at night in the rain....I would be pissed. What is the purpose of neighborhood "watch"? But hey lets get in our mind that he "stalked" the kid like on some kind of hunt. In fact, based on his history, Trayvon could of very well been looking to burglarize that night... This Saint Martin mantra is a storyline I am not buying. It is a tragedy no matter how you look at it.... but comparing it to Emmitt Till or Rodney King and making it the biggest issue and fight for blacks in America is insane.

[Trill Clinton]

oh. well then we fall back again into hypotheticals, opinions, and biased predispositions. but by all means, speculate as you wish

its fun to speculate. oj wrote a book on pure speculation.

[Trill Clinton]

If I lived in that neighborhood and knew that several burglaries have occurred recently and my neighborhood watch guy didn't check out a young man walking around at night in the rain....I would be pissed. What is the purpose of neighborhood "watch"? But hey lets get in our mind that he "stalked" the kid like on some kind of hunt. In fact, based on his history, Trayvon could of very well been looking to burglarize that night... This Saint Martin mantra is a storyline I am not buying. It is a tragedy no matter how you look at it.... but comparing it to Emmitt Till or Rodney King and making it the biggest issue and fight for blacks in America is insane.


soooooo everybody that walks in the rain should be stopped by the watchmen? if it was that bad in the neighborhood then they needed more police presence, not vigilante watchmen. i'm buying the saint martin story because he was just a normal kid. wasn't like he was out here molesting his cousins.

[spurraider21]

its fun to speculate. oj wrote a book on pure speculation.

oh i agree. as sports fans, we speculate all the time, especially when comparing players of different positions, eras, etc. but claiming speculations as fact is where i would pull away, which is what we've been seeing by some on this topic

[BigTex342006]

soooooo everybody that walks in the rain should be stopped by the watchmen? if it was that bad in the neighborhood then they needed more police presence, not vigilante watchmen. i'm buying the saint martin story because he was just a normal kid. wasn't like he was out here molesting his cousins.

After crime in the neighborhood and a young man wondering around in the rain at night?? I would want him to do his job and WATCH. Keep a fucking eye on the dude. So yes. Normal kid? What is your description of a normal kid? That is the problem here....he was acting like a normal black kid, and that seems to be accepted in America now... There you go.... Trayvon and Rachel....just good 'ol normal American kids these days.... sheesh

[Trill Clinton]

oh i agree. as sports fans, we speculate all the time, especially when comparing players of different positions, eras, etc. but claiming speculations as fact is where i would pull away, which is what we've been seeing by some on this topic

yea it goes both ways. both sides have their interpretation of what happened and the only way we can know what the god honest truth is, is if it was caught on camera like the guy who shot his teen neighbor point blank in the chest. without that footage who knows what would have happened.

its over, zimmerman has to live his life in fear and the martin family lost a son too son. i just hope some good comes out of this as far as race relations go because its obvious there is still some issues we've let go on for far too long.

[phoenix219]

If thats whats normal for kids now, and is deemed appropriate, saintly behavior, then we are far more fucked than I ever suspected.

[spurraider21]

yea it goes both ways. both sides have their interpretation of what happened and the only way we can know what the god honest truth is, is if it was caught on camera like the guy who shot his teen neighbor point blank in the chest. without that footage who knows what would have happened.

its over, zimmerman has to live his life in fear and the martin family lost a son too son. i just hope some good comes out of this as far as race relations go because its obvious there is still some issues we've let go on for far too long.
no good will come out of it was far as race relations go because this case was blown up into a racial divide when it wasn't necessary or relevant

[Trill Clinton]

After crime in the neighborhood and a young man wondering around in the rain at night?? I would want him to do his job and WATCH. Keep a fucking eye on the dude. So yes.

he wasn't wondering. he was getting candy and a drink and walking back home when it started to rain. that complex is one way in and one way out, he didn't have to keep an eye on him. all he had to do was stay at the entrance/exit until law enforcement arrived.

[Spursfan092120]

i'm not gonna watch a 10 minute vid of some square in a suit, who's probably never heard of lean until this year all of a sudden he's a expert, smear a dead teen. most kids and even adults on social media are showoff and try hards who are attention whores. trayvon was an attention whore because if he sipped so much lean then there would be traces of it in his toxicology report, right?

and:lmao "fire ass lean" using robitussin. all that tells me is trayvon had no clue on what lean was if he thought that was some fire. ask ya buddies if robitussin is just as good as codeine lol.
There weren't traces in his toxicology, but if you did watch this video, you'd know that his liver had issues that is normally caused by codeine. Yeah, I know tussin isn't as good as codeine, but if you can't get ahold of it, like his facebook posts showed he couldn't, you use what you can. Look, man...I'm not trying to say this kid deserved to die. I'm not trying to say he should have died. Hell, I think Zimmerman should have stayed in his damn car. I'm just saying all evidence shows Trayvon attacked him and he pulled the trigger defending himself. They were both wrong. I just don't like everything being pointed at Zim like he's the KKK. The video showed many things about how he is not a racist. He lived with black people in his house growing up. The FBI told Holder a Civil Rights case against him would fail because not only is there nothing showing he's racist, all the evidence is to the contrary. Everyone in his neighborhood (a multi-cultural community) liked him. There's just no evidence showing anything to him being racist. There's so many more things to be worried about in this country right now, and this is simply a ruse by the government to get everyone's minds off the fact that they are fucking up right now.

[Trill Clinton]

no good will come out of it was far as race relations go because this case was blown up into a racial divide when it wasn't necessary or relevant

there is no racial divide unless one side isn't willing to show some empathy and hear the other side out.

[spurraider21]

there is no racial divide unless one side isn't willing to show some empathy and hear the other side out.

you know what I mean, Trill. This case was made into a black vs white thing when it shouldn't have been.

[Trill Clinton]

There weren't traces in his toxicology, but if you did watch this video, you'd know that his liver had issues that is normally caused by codeine. Yeah, I know tussin isn't as good as codeine, but if you can't get ahold of it, like his facebook posts showed he couldn't, you use what you can. Look, man...I'm not trying to say this kid deserved to die. I'm not trying to say he should have died. Hell, I think Zimmerman should have stayed in his damn car. I'm just saying all evidence shows Trayvon attacked him and he pulled the trigger defending himself. They were both wrong. I just don't like everything being pointed at Zim like he's the KKK. The video showed many things about how he is not a racist. He lived with black people in his house growing up. The FBI told Holder a Civil Rights case against him would fail because not only is there nothing showing he's racist, all the evidence is to the contrary. Everyone in his neighborhood (a multi-cultural community) liked him. There's just no evidence showing anything to him being racist. There's so many more things to be worried about in this country right now, and this is simply a ruse by the government to get everyone's minds off the fact that they are fucking up right now.

i refuse to watch some grown man make a video and go out of his way to paint a 17 year old kid as some violent druggy. all those stories about him being a addict and having liver problems are coming from a evil place and i don't need that type of karma in my life.

yes there are a lot of issues in this country, we can't multitask? the issues of several million african americans isn't an important issues?

my stance on this is, zimmerman stalked him and put trayvon in a position above his level of maturity. at 17 years old i would have reacted the same way if a stranger followed me, asked me questions and didn't identify himself. i have a swing first mentality as well.

[Spursfan092120]

What witnesses? One said he saw Trayvon on top, but it was dark and rainy and one was on phone with him. So in a sense, the only story we had to go by was Zimmerman's. And my point is how believeable would it have been to half of the country is is defending Zimmerman now if the shooter had been black and the victim white? And speaking of Jeantel, when did she all of a sudden become a credible witness? Oh, that's right when she said that Martin referred to Zimmerman as a "creepy ass cracka". But when she said that she heard Travon saying "get off me" she wasn't credible. Which is it? Either she is credible and you believe everything she says or she isn't and you don't believe anything she says.
I'm just going off Kool's argument that everything she said just had to be accurate. No one ever said her saying Trayvon said "get off me" wasn't credible. You need to read that shit again, son. We said it's possible that Trayvon started the shit, and when the scuffle happened, Trayvon said "get off me." If Trayvon was running, and trying to get away, why did he make it only 30 yards in 4 minutes? It's all in the video I posted, if you watch it. Trayvon went back for him. You're as bad as cool..everything's gotta be about the race card. Why couldn't it be a suspicious person..he got out to follow, and then the suspicious person attacked? Why does it have to be about race? If that's the case, his mom is hispanic..that legally makes Zimmerman hispanic...this isn't a black/white thing...they need to stop with that shit. Like I said..it's a ruse put on to get everyone's minds off the real problems in our society. But honestly, if you really think Trayvon was shot just for walking home, you're not ready to have a conversation.

[Trill Clinton]

you know what I mean, Trill. This case was made into a black vs white thing when it shouldn't have been.

i don't think it was made out to be a black vs white thing. the prosecutors never brought up race during the trial. people's guilt and lack of empathy made it a racial thing.

[Spursfan092120]

i refuse to watch some grown man make a video and go out of his way to paint a 17 year old kid as some violent druggy. all those stories about him being a addict and having liver problems are coming from a evil place and i don't need that type of karma in my life.

yes there are a lot of issues in this country, we can't multitask? the issues of several million african americans isn't an important issues?

my stance on this is, zimmerman stalked him and put trayvon in a position above his level of maturity. at 17 years old i would have reacted the same way if a stranger followed me, asked me questions and didn't identify himself. i have a swing first mentality as well.
Hold up now...him being an addict comes from an evil place and you don't need that type of karma, but you'll talk about how bad Zimmerman is? Come on now...keep it real here. These weren't stories...these weren't someone trying to paint shit. Don't bash the video if you refuse to watch it. Everything in this video was all evidence and facts. Facebook posts...Tweets. Proof that Trayvon was looking for codeine to make lean. One of his friends telling him tussin worked just as good. Him talking about a lot of things that are not talked about by "nice innocent 17 year olds." Did he deserve to die because of it? No...but if he attacked Zim like the evidence and witnesses say, Zim was protecting his life. You can't throw the race card at that shit.

[spurraider21]

i don't think it was made out to be a black vs white thing. the prosecutors never brought up race during the trial. people's guilt and lack of empathy made it a racial thing.

i didn't mention the prosecution. new outlets. everybody you talk to about the case. this damn forum. everywhere. its been made out to be a black vs white thing and don't act like you're oblivious to it

[Spursfan092120]

i don't think it was made out to be a black vs white thing. the prosecutors never brought up race during the trial. media made it a racial thing.
fify, man.

[Spursfan092120]

Honestly I agree that I would be more bothered if a white guy was shot by a black guy and the shooter got away with it. But I would still have to accept that not guilty was the right verdict. There isn't enough evidence to convict, no matter what race each person involved is.

People keep bringing up some other case of a black woman firing warning shots and being put in prison. I don't know anything about that case; maybe she is wrongly convicted, I'm not sure. But either way, that doesn't mean that Zimmerman should be going to jail. Nobody has come even remotely close to proving beyond reasonable doubt that he did not act in self-defense to save his own life as he claims to have done.


Its shitty for the woman who fired into the air, but I think it was something like, there was no threat to her immediate life, so she had no business shooting the gun period, but Im' not sure. I haven't looked that deeply into it, because no one has made such a huge deal out of it, and it hasn't been in the media to the point where I *had* to go look up all the details and establish my own opinion. :P
In the case with the woman, she started this confrontation herself...and the issue was, she not only pointed the gun at her husband, but also his two kids, and the warning shots went through a wall into a room where another one of their kids were. Zimmerman was let off because he didn't start the confrontation.

[phoenix219]

he wasn't wondering. he was getting candy and a drink and walking back home when it started to rain. that complex is one way in and one way out, he didn't have to keep an eye on him. all he had to do was stay at the entrance/exit until law enforcement arrived.

If that was true, he would have been home about a half hour before Z even saw him. There was a big gap between the store, and the confrontation, not to mention the gap between Zimmerman losing sight of him, and the confrontation. If TM wanted to be home, in any form, he would have been.

Thanks for the clarification, SF. That sounds about right.

[BigTex342006]

he wasn't wondering. he was getting candy and a drink and walking back home when it started to rain. that complex is one way in and one way out, he didn't have to keep an eye on him. all he had to do was stay at the entrance/exit until law enforcement arrived.

If he was just trying to get his ass home, he would have made it pretty easily. GZ's call to the police state that he was walking around and looking at houses. Plus there is no evidence that he continued to follow Martin after the dispatcher told him not to. I don't have a doubt that Zimmerman shouldn't have gotten out of his car and both sides could have done things to prevent the tragedy. But to use this case as the defining race moment in America is retarded as Rachel would say...

[Spursfan092120]

If that was true, he would have been home about a half hour before Z even saw him. There was a big gap between the store, and the confrontation, not to mention the gap between Zimmerman losing sight of him, and the confrontation. If TM wanted to be home, in any form, he would have been.
Yep...100 yards he had to go....he made it 30 yards in 4 minutes. No way in hell was he trying to make it home. Especially not running, as they were trying to say.

[Spursfan092120]

If he was just trying to get his ass home, he would have made it pretty easily. GZ's call to the police state that he was walking around and looking at houses. Plus there is no evidence that he continued to follow Martin after the dispatcher told him not to. I don't have a doubt that Zimmerman shouldn't have gotten out of his car and both sides could have done things to prevent the tragedy. But to use this case as the defining race moment in America is retarded as Rachel would say...
:tu to everything in this post

[Trill Clinton]

Hold up now...him being an addict comes from an evil place and you don't need that type of karma, but you'll talk about how bad Zimmerman is? Come on now...keep it real here. These weren't stories...these weren't someone trying to paint shit. Don't bash the video if you refuse to watch it. Everything in this video was all evidence and facts. Facebook posts...Tweets. Proof that Trayvon was looking for codeine to make lean. One of his friends telling him tussin worked just as good. Him talking about a lot of things that are not talked about by "nice innocent 17 year olds." Did he deserve to die because of it? No...but if he attacked Zim like the evidence and witnesses say, Zim was protecting his life. You can't throw the race card at that shit.

its evil because 1.) he's dead and not here to defend himself and his family has been nothing but class this entire time and 2.) he was a child. i love children and would never smear a dead child, that's pure unfiltered evil. george bush snorted cocaine and had dui's as a young man but was he labeled a thug? no, kids experiment nowadays and he had no criminal record or history of serious crimes. he was just a kid doing what most kids his age do.


i didn't mention the prosecution. new outlets. everybody you talk to about the case. this damn forum. everywhere. its been made out to be a black vs white thing and don't act like you're oblivious to it

i'm not oblivious to the racism, majority of it is very one sided. when will people stop blaming the media? just turn the tv off and go into the real world and you'll see the issues firsthand.

[Trill Clinton]

If he was just trying to get his ass home, he would have made it pretty easily. GZ's call to the police state that he was walking around and looking at houses. Plus there is no evidence that he continued to follow Martin after the dispatcher told him not to. I don't have a doubt that Zimmerman shouldn't have gotten out of his car and both sides could have done things to prevent the tragedy. But to use this case as the defining race moment in America is retarded as Rachel would say...

he would have made it very easily if zimmerman wouldn't have made it obvious he was following him. i don't know about you, but if a stranger is following me and there are no adults home, i'm going to try to hide from him; not let him follow me to my house. ya'll have no street smarts.

[Trill Clinton]

In the case with the woman, she started this confrontation herself...and the issue was, she not only pointed the gun at her husband, but also his two kids, and the warning shots went through a wall into a room where another one of their kids were. Zimmerman was let off because he didn't start the confrontation.

go back a few pages and read the link and the husbands testimony. he said it hisself he was in rage and not going to let her leave that house.

[spurraider21]

i'm not oblivious to the racism, majority of it is very one sided. when will people stop blaming the media? just turn the tv off and go into the real world and you'll see the issues firsthand.
i didn't say you are being oblivious to racism. heck, you see it even when it isn't there. i said you are being oblivious to the fact that this case is being made all about race when it doesn't warrant it. and forget the media. everybody i talk to in person, as you suggest, or elsewhere such as on this forum is going along with the narrative that this is a black vs white thing

[Spursfan092120]

he would have made it very easily if zimmerman wouldn't have made it obvious he was following him. i don't know about you, but if a stranger is following me and there are no adults home, i'm going to try to hide from him; not let him follow me to my house. ya'll have no street smarts.
Man..so many hypotheticals coming out of this. Truth is, witness say Travyon reigning blows on Zim...Zim was all fucked up and Trayvon just had some bruised knuckles, besides the bullet wound. I'm not about making Trayvon out to be evil. I just hate how the media made him out to be a saint and Zimmerman out to be an evil racist murderer. They weren't real about it. If it was just an honest trial, it would be a different story. But it wasn't. Half of Zim's evidence in his favor didn't even come out, and he still was found not guilty. They did a horrible job on the prosecution, and everything pointed to self defense. That's why it took so long for this trial to come to fruition in the first place..police weren't going to charge him...self defense. If it wasn't for the FBI and everything else, it may not have happened. No show of racism by Zimmerman in his past at all. Like I said, in fact, the FBI told Holder a civil rights case would fail because all the evidence and people they've talked to show to the contrary.

[phoenix219]

So you'd feel safer on the street with no protection, then locked inside your own, accessible house? What does street smarts have to do with anything? And, "adults" ? In a few months, TM would have *been* an "adult" by law, and was already quite confident in his own fighting abilities. If safety was his motivation, again, he would have been home long before. And, from his own home, it would have been a safe and smart place to call the police on his stalker from. SMH....

[Trill Clinton]

i didn't say you are being oblivious to racism. heck, you see it even when it isn't there. i said you are being oblivious to the fact that this case is being made all about race when it doesn't warrant it. and forget the media. everybody i talk to in person, as you suggest, or elsewhere such as on this forum is going along with the narrative that this is a black vs white thing

in my professional opinion, it became a race issue through social media. blogs, forums, sites and comment sections all decided to turn trayvon into a the stereotypical black villian. they used every stereotype that america has used against black men since the beginning of time. he was called the n word, violent, angry, they said he was dressed like a thug, posted pictures of him with gold teeth(i posted photos miley cyrus wearing the same grill) made meme's out of his corpse...it was very ugly, evil and there was no empathy. that's when people were like, damn, there is a huge problem with racism in ameria in 2013. the talking heads in the media picked up on it and spoke about it and for whatever reason, folks act like they didn't read or see all the stereotypical racist comments.

[Trill Clinton]

So you'd feel safer on the street with no protection, then locked inside your own, accessible house? What does street smarts have to do with anything? And, "adults" ? In a few months, TM would have *been* an "adult" by law, and was already quite confident in his own fighting abilities. If safety was his motivation, again, he would have been home long before. And, from his own home, it would have been a safe and smart place to call the police on his stalker from. SMH....

its a free country. i should be able to walk in the rain if i want. but i do understand that if i get shot in a struggle and die, then the person who lives gets to tell the story however they see fit. i just don't buy zimmermans story considering he's a wife beater, assaulted a police officer and is accused of molestation.

[phoenix219]

Thats funny, I feel all the same things about the media, social networking, memes, etc, but from the exact opposite angle.... that they have demonized Zimmerman as a racist while covering up every little tiny thing that doesn't fit into the "Saint Martin" narrative..... right down to the choice of pictures and covering up of his past transgressions that led him to his situation. *WOW*.

[spurraider21]

in my professional opinion, it became a race issue through social media. blogs, forums, sites and comment sections all decided to turn trayvon into a the stereotypical black villian. they used every stereotype that america has used against black men since the beginning of time. he was called the n word, violent, angry, they said he was dressed like a thug, posted pictures of him with gold teeth(i posted photos miley cyrus wearing the same grill) made meme's out of his corpse...it was very ugly, evil and there was no empathy. that's when people were like, damn, there is a huge problem with racism in ameria in 2013. the talking heads in the media picked up on it and spoke about it and for whatever reason, folks act like they didn't read or see all the stereotypical racist comments.

really? i feel like it was made out to be that zimmerman was the white racist vigilante while trayvon was the poor innocent kid buying skittles for his brother who was only killed because he was black?

the pictures that came out of martin's gold teeth, etc, came out in response to the fact that they kept portraying trayvon as the 12 year old in a hollister shirt

[spurraider21]

its a free country. i should be able to walk in the rain if i want. but i do understand that if i get shot in a struggle and die, then the person who lives gets to tell the story however they see fit. i just don't buy zimmermans story considering he's a wife beater, assaulted a police officer and is accused of molestation.

had trayvon been alive to tell his side, would you buy his story considering he was a drug user with a history of violence?

[Spursfan092120]

its a free country. i should be able to walk in the rain if i want. but i do understand that if i get shot in a struggle and die, then the person who lives gets to tell the story however they see fit. i just don't buy zimmermans story considering he's a wife beater, assaulted a police officer and is accused of molestation.
Again, taking what the media says and running with it. He was arrested for assault on a law enforcement officer and resisting arrest. It was IMMEDIATELY dropped to resisting arrest, and then dropped altogether. Trayvon was shown to be a drug dealer in evidence from his FB posts and tweets, and stolen goods were found in his locker. But you tend to think he was doing nothing at all, except buying his candy and Arizona and going home. So Zim is lying because he has a bad history, but Trayvon was innocent and did nothing wrong when he had just as bad of a history. Hmm...

[Trill Clinton]

Man..so many hypotheticals coming out of this. Truth is, witness say Travyon reigning blows on Zim...Zim was all fucked up and Trayvon just had some bruised knuckles, besides the bullet wound. I'm not about making Trayvon out to be evil. I just hate how the media made him out to be a saint and Zimmerman out to be an evil racist murderer. They weren't real about it. If it was just an honest trial, it would be a different story. But it wasn't. Half of Zim's evidence in his favor didn't even come out, and he still was found not guilty. They did a horrible job on the prosecution, and everything pointed to self defense. That's why it took so long for this trial to come to fruition in the first place..police weren't going to charge him...self defense. If it wasn't for the FBI and everything else, it may not have happened. No show of racism by Zimmerman in his past at all. Like I said, in fact, the FBI told Holder a civil rights case would fail because all the evidence and people they've talked to show to the contrary.

witnesses didn't see the entire fight. i'm pretty sure they tusseled and exchanged top control several times. who they saw on top is moot.

[Trill Clinton]

really? i feel like it was made out to be that zimmerman was the white racist vigilante while trayvon was the poor innocent kid buying skittles for his brother who was only killed because he was black?

the pictures that came out of martin's gold teeth, etc, came out in response to the fact that they kept portraying trayvon as the 12 year old in a hollister shirt

i never got the white racist angle. i did get the white-hispanic over zealous watchen. i still gave him the benefit of the doubt up until i found out he was a wife beater, assaulted a cop and molested his cousin. at that point he lost all credibility with me.

[spurraider21]

witnesses didn't see the entire fight. i'm pretty sure they tusseled and exchanged top control several times. who they saw on top is moot.
had zimmerman been on top for any significant period of time, wouldn't martin have some other sort of bruising or noticeable injury?

[Trill Clinton]

Again, taking what the media says and running with it. He was arrested for assault on a law enforcement officer and resisting arrest. It was IMMEDIATELY dropped to resisting arrest, and then dropped altogether. Trayvon was shown to be a drug dealer in evidence from his FB posts and tweets, and stolen goods were found in his locker. But you tend to think he was doing nothing at all, except buying his candy and Arizona and going home. So Zim is lying because he has a bad history, but Trayvon was innocent and did nothing wrong when he had just as bad of a history. Hmm...

doesn't matter if it was dropped, he did it. there were no drugs on tray the night he died and he had no tools to commit burglary so....

[Spursfan092120]

really? i feel like it was made out to be that zimmerman was the white racist vigilante while trayvon was the poor innocent kid buying skittles for his brother who was only killed because he was black?

the pictures that came out of martin's gold teeth, etc, came out in response to the fact that they kept portraying trayvon as the 12 year old in a hollister shirt
Exactly...the only picture I saw blasted all over television during the trial was this one..

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Trayvon-Martin-George-Zimmerman-620x457.jpg

They just as easily could have posted this one..

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Cw1cM0PSYVk/ULjuvuKuLeI/AAAAAAAAAXc/EsX1B8PqM1c/s320/Trayvon+Martin.png

[spurraider21]

doesn't matter if it was dropped, he did it. there were no drugs on tray the night he died and he had no tools to commit burglary so....

if he did it, why were the charges dropped?

furthermore, its irrelevant what was on tray the night he died. has absolutely nothing to do with the case. his history is being brought up to show he's not this clean angel he's being made out to be, and to counter all of the irrelevant history of wrongdoings on zimmerman's part

[Spursfan092120]

doesn't matter if it was dropped, he did it. there were no drugs on tray the night he died and he had no tools to commit burglary so....
No..you're right..they found tools to commit burglary in his locker...along with the goods. You are so damn ridiculous right now. So you're saying every charge someone is brought up on, that means they did it, even if the cops drop all charges? Are you out of your damn mind? If some cop decided to come to your house right now and arrest you for assaulting him, and then got you to the police station and then dropped all charges, would you say "well, I was brought up on these charges, I must have done it." That's how riots get started...people bringing people up on charges when it's not factual.

[Spursfan092120]

The officer never told GZ he was an officer, and he attacked first. Shortly after that, in September 2005, the same unit was conducting a sting at UCF and an officer was killed by an OPD officer because he discharged his weapon and did not identify himself.

[Spursfan092120]

witnesses didn't see the entire fight. i'm pretty sure they tusseled and exchanged top control several times. who they saw on top is moot.
Again...hypotheticals.

[Trill Clinton]

Exactly...the only picture I saw blasted all over television during the trial was this one..

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Trayvon-Martin-George-Zimmerman-620x457.jpg

They just as easily could have posted this one..

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Cw1cM0PSYVk/ULjuvuKuLeI/AAAAAAAAAXc/EsX1B8PqM1c/s320/Trayvon+Martin.png

why would trayvon's parents choose that photo to give to the news stations? would you choose that photo to represent your child? anyways....


http://www.now1057fm.com/upload/justin-bieber-middle-finger.jpg


http://promotewho.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/miley-cyrus.png

[Trill Clinton]

if he did it, why were the charges dropped?


because his daddy is a judge?

and yea it is irrelevant, just like trayvon's marijuana use has nothing to do with him being killed that night.

[Spursfan092120]

why would trayvon's parents choose that photo to give to the news stations? would you choose that photo to represent your child? anyways....


http://www.now1057fm.com/upload/justin-bieber-middle-finger.jpg


http://promotewho.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/miley-cyrus.png
Yep...and both of those people are douches. So the parents choose a picture of their son from years ago, and the only picture the media could come up with for GZ was one from about 7 years ago when he was arrested. Nice.

[Spursfan092120]

because his daddy is a judge?

and yea it is irrelevant, just like trayvon's marijuana use has nothing to do with him being killed that night.
Guess you missed the actual story on why the charges were dropped...and you decide again to go with "he did it and got off even though he shouldn't have." Again, so every charge a cop brings up on someone is factual, and they're guilty. Understand...

[Spursfan092120]

because his daddy is a judge?

and yea it is irrelevant, just like trayvon's marijuana use has nothing to do with him being killed that night.
And GZ's accusation of molestation was irrelevant as well. Just like the dropped charges of assault.

[spurraider21]

because his daddy is a judge?

and yea it is irrelevant, just like trayvon's marijuana use has nothing to do with him being killed that night.

if you are going to continuously bring up GZ's past, then you should realize that Martin's past was equally relevant. if you are going to dismiss Martin's past as irrelevant, then you must also dismiss GZ's past as irrelevant. can't have your cake and eat it too. can't talk about how you "dont trust that wife beating, police assaulting, cousin molesting" guy and simultaneously tell me about how Martin's history of fighting, drug use, and apparent theft isn't relevant to the case

[Trill Clinton]

Yep...and both of those people are douches. So the parents choose a picture of their son from years ago, and the only picture the media could come up with for GZ was one from about 7 years ago when he was arrested. Nice.

what do them being douches have to do with trayvon? just showing the hypocrisy in posting a photo of him sticking up his middle finger like most kids his age don't do the same. as far as the coward, the media got that photo from his mugshot from his previous run ins with the law. its standard procedure.

[Trill Clinton]

if you are going to continuously bring up GZ's past, then you should realize that Martin's past was equally relevant. if you are going to dismiss Martin's past as irrelevant, then you must also dismiss GZ's past as irrelevant. can't have your cake and eat it too. can't talk about how you "dont trust that wife beating, police assaulting, cousin molesting" guy and simultaneously tell me about how Martin's history of fighting, drug use, and apparent theft isn't relevant to the case

again, his charges were dropped thanks to his pops.

they're both irrelevant but the difference is, one person was a child and the other was a grown ass man who beat his wife, fought a cop and molested his cousin, sad.

[spurraider21]

again, his charges were dropped thanks to his pops.

they're both irrelevant but the difference is, one person was a child and the other was a grown ass man who beat his wife, fought a cop and molested his cousin, sad.
that's all that matters. if its irrelevant, you can stop there. thanks

[Spursfan092120]

again, his charges were dropped thanks to his pops.

they're both irrelevant but the difference is, one person was a drug dealing, user, and thief and the other was a grown ass man who beat his wife, fought a cop after being attacked without knowing he was an officer, and was accused of molesting his cousin, sad.
fify

And no...the charges were dropped because the officer didn't tell GZ he was an officer, and the officer attacked him first. So if an undercover comes up to you, and starts hitting you, and you hit back, and you get arrested for assaulting an officer, that's ok?

[Spursfan092120]

I love how hypocritical dude is... "These people accuse GZ of molestation, and he gets brought up on charges for something that is immediately dropped...he's a criminal..and a bad person...he must have been a racist murderer" followed by "There's no evidence of drug use or robbery tools on him when he was killed...he was a child so he could be a criminal and that's ok...he's only a 17 year old child." In Texas, 17 is a grown ass man.

[Trill Clinton]

that's all that matters. if its irrelevant, you can stop there. thanks

naw i'll continue. one was a 17 year old kid with his life ahead of him, the other was a grown ass man who molested his cousin for over a decade, sad.


fify

And no...the charges were dropped because the officer didn't tell GZ he was an officer, and the officer attacked him first. So if an undercover comes up to you, and starts hitting you, and you hit back, and you get arrested for assaulting an officer, that's ok?

you said you have friends who sip lean, are they bad people?

[Spursfan092120]

naw i'll continue. one was a 17 year old kid with his life ahead of him, the other was a grown ass man who molested his cousin for over a decade, sad.



you said you have friends who sip lean, are they bad people?
Nope...but they didn't deal drugs and rob people.

[Spursfan092120]

Look man...again..he didn't deserve to die...just bugs me that people are painting a halo on his head and a devil's crown on Zimmerman's, and calling it racism. Both sides were wrong. That's where I'm donePERIOD

[Trill Clinton]

Nope...but they didn't deal drugs and rob people.

proof that trayvon robbed people and sold drugs? anybody can tweet that they sell drugs, where is the proof?:wakeup

[spurraider21]

naw i'll continue. one was a 17 year old kid with his life ahead of him, the other was a grown ass man who molested his cousin for over a decade, sad.
so you preface it by saying "its irrelevant" then go on to tell me about how its relevant. smooth. if thats what your argumentation comes down to, i'm done here

[Trill Clinton]

Look man...again..he didn't deserve to die...just bugs me that people are painting a halo on his head and a devil's crown on Zimmerman's, and calling it racism. Both sides were wrong. That's where I'm donePERIOD

nobody said he was perfect. his own mother said he wasn't perfect, but he was only 17 and people have turned him into a 30 year old thug with the fighting skills of mike tyson.

[Trill Clinton]

so you preface it by saying "its irrelevant" then go on to tell me about how its relevant. smooth. if thats what your argumentation comes down to, i'm done here

peace

[Spursfan092120]

proof that trayvon robbed people and sold drugs? anybody can tweet that they sell drugs, where is the proof?:wakeup
Look man..I've stated it several times..the stolen items were in his locker along with burglary tools. And his tweets were asking people where to find codeine to make a batch and a lot of people asking him where to go to buy "a plant" and other things of that nature. And it wasn't just one person. There's your proof. But like I said...he didn't deserve to die. Just don't act like he was a perfect innocent child and GZ was a horrible person, so he must be a racist murderer, and had no reason to kill Trayvon. I hope you don't believe Trayvon was shot just for walking home. If that's so, you're really not ready to have this conversation. Now....I'm done. I have nothing against you, man...just got different feelings about this case.

[Trill Clinton]

Look man..I've stated it several times..the stolen items were in his locker along with burglary tools. And his tweets were asking people where to find codeine to make a batch and a lot of people asking him where to go to buy "a plant" and other things of that nature. And it wasn't just one person. There's your proof. But like I said...he didn't deserve to die. Just don't act like he was a perfect innocent child and GZ was a horrible person, so he must be a racist murderer, and had no reason to kill Trayvon. I hope you don't believe Trayvon was shot just for walking home. If that's so, you're really not ready to have this conversation. Now....I'm done. I have nothing against you, man...just got different feelings about this case.


thats not proof of anything. tweets don't mean shit. i need some concrete evidence like statements from people who bought drugs from tray and victims of his burglaries. the grown man's own cousin and her parents said george molested her, sad.

at 17 i smoked weed, drank, fuck bitches, sold a couple 8 balls, slapped up a few people but i grew out of that and am a successful man. i don't think me and trayvon were any different. you need to tell your friends to stop sipping lean before they catch a drug case, though. the way you talk about the drug use, i'm surprised you associate yourself with people like that.

[Koolaid_Man]

thats not proof of anything. tweets don't mean shit. i need some concrete evidence like statements from people who bought drugs from tray and victims of his burglaries. the grown man's own cousin and her parents said george molested her, sad.

at 17 i smoked weed, drank, fuck bitches, sold a couple 8 balls, slapped up a few people but i grew out of that and am a successful man. i don't think me and trayvon were any different. you need to tell your friends to stop sipping lean before they catch a drug case, though. the way you talk about the drug use, i'm surprised you associate yourself with people like that.

they trying to create a boogie monster to soothe their conscience :lol and yet still no proof cept heresay and innuendo...I slapped them with proof on Zimmerman being a THUG and all they got of the Trayvon is a few pictures when he was 15 and 16 and a few made up stories....that's called white guilt with no shame

[Spursfan092120]

thats not proof of anything. tweets don't mean shit. i need some concrete evidence like statements from people who bought drugs from tray and victims of his burglaries. the grown man's own cousin and her parents said george molested her, sad.

at 17 i smoked weed, drank, fuck bitches, sold a couple 8 balls, slapped up a few people but i grew out of that and am a successful man. i don't think me and trayvon were any different. you need to tell your friends to stop sipping lean before they catch a drug case, though. the way you talk about the drug use, i'm surprised you associate yourself with people like that.
Those guys are my friends because they've always been there for me and would do anything for me. Best friends? No...but they are friends. Be honest, bro..no one's going to come out now and say Trayvon was their dealer...The stolen items were returned. If he did molest her, yes..that's sad. But like you said, irrelevant.

[Spursfan092120]

they trying to create a boogie monster to soothe their conscience :lol and yet still no proof cept heresay and innuendo...I slapped them with proof on Zimmerman being a THUG and all they got of the Trayvon is a few pictures when he was 15 and 16 and a few made up stories....that's called white guilt with no shame
lol @ your hypotheticals being proof. Proof is the witness and Rachel saying Trayvon was beating the shit out of Zim. They found the stolen items and burglary tools in his locker, and returned them to the victims. All the people asking him where to meet to buy drugs, and him answering. Him asking people where to buy codeine to make a "batch." What other proof do you want?

[Koolaid_Man]

lol @ your hypotheticals being proof. Proof is the witness and Rachel saying Trayvon was beating the shit out of Zim. They found the stolen items and burglary tools in his locker, and returned them to the victims. All the people asking him where to meet to buy drugs, and him answering. Him asking people where to buy codeine to make a "batch." What other proof do you want?

Proof or shut your lying, Zimmerman wannbe ass up....:lol...you wanna be like Zim? ok cool...don't forget to assault a cop, beat your wife, and molest your kid...

[spurraider21]

lol @ your hypotheticals being proof. Proof is the witness and Rachel saying Trayvon was beating the shit out of Zim. They found the stolen items and burglary tools in his locker, and returned them to the victims. All the people asking him where to meet to buy drugs, and him answering. Him asking people where to buy codeine to make a "batch." What other proof do you want?

wasn't that essentially what the state's case was?

[spurraider21]

Proof or shut your lying, Zimmerman wannbe ass up....:lol...you wanna be like Zim? ok cool...don't forget to assault a cop, beat your wife, and molest your kid...

cop didn't identify himself and attacked zimmerman first, which is why both charges there were dropped. by the way i forgot, was this a domestic abuse case, a molestation case, or a self defense/homocide case? remind me so we can disragard the 2 incorrect answers

[Koolaid_Man]

cop didn't identify himself and attacked zimmerman first, which is why both charges there were dropped. by the way i forgot, was this a domestic abuse case, a molestation case, or a self defense/homocide case? remind me so we can disragard the 2 incorrect answers

:lol you bout as good at lying as Z....thus far you've provided no proof of any of your claims...none..I provided you links to Z's court records from the Washington Post....where's the beef Spuirraider :lol

[Spursfan092120]

Proof or shut your lying, Zimmerman wannbe ass up....:lol...you wanna be like Zim? ok cool...don't forget to assault a cop, beat your wife, and molest your kid...
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html

Love how you don't even read up on the shit..just believe what the media throws at you.

and :lmao at you talking shit about assaulting a cop. If someone came at you and beat your ass without you knowing they were an officer and you fought back, followed by you getting arrested, you'd cry a damn river.

[spurraider21]

http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/87267817

[Rogue]

I just don't see it how a quarrel or shit could deteriorate into a situation where one had to die in order for the other to survive. The kid was bare-handed and the man was said to put out a gun to defend himself against a young black kid who was totally unarmed, that's just inexplicable to me

[spurraider21]

i don't understand why you find it so important to bring up zimmerman's past and then discredit Martin's past as irrelevant to the case. its either both or neither. make up your damn mind

[Koolaid_Man]

i don't understand why you find it so important to bring up zimmerman's past and then discredit Martin's past as irrelevant to the case. its either both or neither. make up your damn mind

I've provided proof as to past..you've provided conjecture...provide proof and then we can talk...

[spurraider21]

I just don't see it how a quarrel or shit could deteriorate into a situation where one had to die in order for the other to survive. The kid was bare-handed and the man was said to put out a gun to defend himself against a young black kid who was not at all armed, that's just inexplicable to me

are we speaking moral or legal grounds, rogue. that's what this case comes down to. the bottom line is nobody actually knows who was at fault here. but to convict GZ, you have to convince the jury beyond a reasonable doubt that GZ was the instigator. that obviously didn't happen, as there was no real case. everything outside the actual case/verdict is 100% pure speculation since it's all an unknown, and it would be irrational and unreasonable to come to a conclusion either way. on moral grounds, they both have a shady history, so i woulnd't be surprised either way. but on legal grounds, there is nothing there to garner a conviction

[spurraider21]

I've provided proof as to past..you've provided conjecture...provide proof and then we can talk...

what? your "proof" is that GZ was once accused of a crime. problem with that is, the charges were shortly dropped. your lame theory that "his dad got him out of it" doesn't hold water when his pappy was a retired judge in ANOTHER STATE. thus, you've only provided conjecture. even then, even IF he was guilty of that, which he wasn't as charges were dropped, it is IRRELEVANT to the trayvon martin case. if you want to include GZ's past as "proof" or evidence in this case, then the same must be done for Martin's violent past as well

[Rogue]

agree with raider, past records ain't relevent in this case. Dudes could sell drugs and fuck their moms but those had nothing to do with this case.

[Spursfan092120]

agree with raider, past records ain't relevent in this case. Dudes could sell drugs and fuck their moms but those had nothing to do with this case.
Exactly...

[pad300]

I just don't see it how a quarrel or shit could deteriorate into a situation where one had to die in order for the other to survive. The kid was bare-handed and the man was said to put out a gun to defend himself against a young black kid who was totally unarmed, that's just inexplicable to me

Really ... the "young black kid" was 6'2", a high school football player, an MMA fighter, and a guy with street fight experience. The man was a fat ass 29 year old who was in terrible shape, an did not fight... The reason Zimmerman was carrying a gun was that he knew damn well he couldn't hack it in any kind of street fight without it.

[spurraider21]

Zimmerman:
http://s3.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20120425&t=2&i=599324119&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=600&pl=390&r=2012-04-25T220011Z_02_TM3E84P0Y3301_RTRRPP_0_USA-FLORIDA-SHOOTING-ZIMMERMAN

Martin:
http://www.calwatchdog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Trayvon-Martin-17.jpg



extreme exaggeration, yes. but can we stop depicting zimmerman as the fucking terminator?

[Rogue]

The current legal system is a broken one I think. Just because Zimmerman was acquitted in the court of law it doesn't mean he was really innocent (though no one has any evidence to prove otherwise either), and it ain't the first time the legal system has failed. Violence happens around the country every single minute and the Zimmerman case only drawed more eyeballs because it happened between a white man and a black. The media are trying yet again to fool you folks into buying their shit and squandering your time on the relentless discussions concerning racism.

It's not the first time we learned how screwed-up the Floridan law is, and I'm really worried about the safety of my nigga LM (the real LM, not my troll)

[spurraider21]

The current legal system is a broken one I think. Just because Zimmerman was acquitted in the court of law it doesn't mean he was really innocent (though no one has any evidence to prove otherwise either), and it ain't the first time the legal system has failed. Violence happens around the country every single minute and the Zimmerman case only drawed more eyeballs because it happened between a white man and a black. The media are trying yet again to fool you folks into buying their shit and squandering your time on the relentless discussions concerning racism.

It's not the first time we learned how screwed-up the Floridan law is, and I'm really worried about the safety of my nigga LM (the real LM, not my troll)

how can you on one hand say there's nothing to show that he's guilty, and then proclaim that the system failed. isn't it possible that the system got it exactly right?

[whitemamba]

how can you on one hand say there's nothing to show that he's guilty, and then proclaim that the system failed. isn't it possible that the system got it exactly right?

Do u think he was innocent tbh?

[spurraider21]

Do u think he was innocent tbh?

allow me to preface this by saying this is all purely speculation, and that my guess (yes, its a guess) is as good as anybody's.

personally, if GZ's intention was to pick a fight or to murder the kid, i don't think he would call the cops to warn them first. if he had his vigilante fake cop complex, he'd probably serve "sweet justice" by quietly sneaking up on trayvon and putting him down quietly, not with a loud gunshot in plain sight

similarly, trayvon wasn't walking home with the intention of finding the first guy he saw and picking a fight with him. i'm not going to say he had vicious intent that night, but its not out of the realm of possibility that he was suspicious of GZ following him and he reacted more aggressively than the situation called for. besides, isn't there some sort of confirmed timeline that shows martin had 4 minutes to get to his destination, which was 100 yards away at the time? by the end of the struggle, he lied dead 70 yards away, meaning he moved all of 30 yards in that timespan. if the struggle had gone on THAT long, for 3-4 minutes, surely there'd have been more eyewitnesses.

now if tomorrow some crazy groundbreaking evidence came out that proved Zimmerman was the aggressor/instigator i wouldn't be THAT shocked, or offended or anything stupid like that. i have no personal ties to GZ in any way shape or form. he's white/hispanic and i'm armenian which is more middle eastern than anything. but i don't see how any of the facts of the case outside of the damn race card makes GZ look like the instigator

[Spursfan092120]

allow me to preface this by saying this is all purely speculation, and that my guess (yes, its a guess) is as good as anybody's.

personally, if GZ's intention was to pick a fight or to murder the kid, i don't think he would call the cops to warn them first. if he had his vigilante fake cop complex, he'd probably serve "sweet justice" by quietly sneaking up on trayvon and putting him down quietly, not with a loud gunshot in plain sight

similarly, trayvon wasn't walking home with the intention of finding the first guy he saw and picking a fight with him. i'm not going to say he had vicious intent that night, but its not out of the realm of possibility that he was suspicious of GZ following him and he reacted more aggressively than the situation called for. besides, isn't there some sort of confirmed timeline that shows martin had 4 minutes to get to his destination, which was 100 yards away at the time? by the end of the struggle, he lied dead 70 yards away, meaning he moved all of 30 yards in that timespan. if the struggle had gone on THAT long, for 3-4 minutes, surely there'd have been more eyewitnesses.

now if tomorrow some crazy groundbreaking evidence came out that proved Zimmerman was the aggressor/instigator i wouldn't be THAT shocked, or offended or anything stupid like that. i have no personal ties to GZ in any way shape or form. he's white/hispanic and i'm armenian which is more middle eastern than anything. but i don't see how any of the facts of the case outside of the damn race card makes GZ look like the instigator
Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Rogue]

The current legal system is a broken one I think. Just because Zimmerman was acquitted in the court of law it doesn't mean he was really innocent (though no one has any evidence to prove otherwise either), and it ain't the first time the legal system has failed. Violence happens around the country every single minute and the Zimmerman case only drawed more eyeballs because it happened between a white man and a black. The media are trying yet again to fool you folks into buying their shit and squandering your time on the relentless discussions concerning racism.

It's not the first time we learned how screwed-up the Floridan law is, and I'm really worried about the safety of my nigga LM (the real LM, not my troll)
I don't have no evidence to prove Zimmerman guilty or otherwise, but I read a thread in the political forum yesterday that suggests how broke and retarded the floridan legislation is.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220105&p=6771512#post6771512

[spurraider21]

I don't have no evidence to prove Zimmerman guilty or otherwise, but I read a thread in the political forum yesterday that suggests how broke and retarded the floridan legislation is.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220105&p=6771512#post6771512
I didn't bother reading because it wasn't relevant to the case. When people talk about the "broken system" or whatever, and I mention that its irrelevant to the case, they always respond with the "its not about this case. It's about the big picture!" To which I respond, "if its about the big picture, and not relevant to this case, why did you only bring this up after this specific case."

there is no law or system that forced either party to act violently

[Rogue]

The case itself isn't worth that much attention and discussion imho. Shit happens everyday in every corner and street. Instead of diverting the whole discussion towards the end of racism talk I'd rather bring it up as a proof of how stupid the Floridan legislation is. Even the local police couldn't find enough evidence to convict that man so we don't really have anything to do about it but let the truth get buried with Martin's dead corpse.

it's a done case so just let Martin rest in peace.

[pikkiwoki]

Chuck with the truth bomb.