Secret hearing marks end of Duncans' union

[xmas1997]

I hope there is a special place in hell for those that use the Bible as a weapon to spread fear and guilt. There comes a time when people become so insufferable and self-righteous that those who may have onced loved them can no longer tolerate them. Sometimes it takes a lot more bravery to leave than to stay. You see it everyday, people commiting violent crimes or threatening others when they no longer can hold their wives, girlfriends, husbands, and boyfriends captive. Most of the time when I hear people railing about 'til death do us part' in a holier than thou way, I think to myself, " I hope they got away...I hope they made it!" That being said, good luck to Tim and his kids. I have no idea about their situatation.

I couldn't have expressed it better myself.
That should definitely put skull in his place!
Although I doubt it since he is trolling.
And there is a special place, it is called HELL.

[Skull-1]

I hope there is a special place in hell for those that use the Bible as a weapon to spread fear and guilt. There comes a time when people become so insufferable and self-righteous that those who may have onced loved them can no longer tolerate them. Sometimes it takes a lot more bravery to leave than to stay. You see it everyday, people commiting violent crimes or threatening others when they no longer can hold their wives, girlfriends, husbands, and boyfriends captive. Most of the time when I hear people railing about 'til death do us part' in a holier than thou way, I think to myself, " I hope they got away...I hope they made it!" That being said, good luck to Tim and his kids. I have no idea about their situatation.


There is no eternal hell. More false gospel christian mythology.


Having said that.... If you want to be in the club, so to speak, you have to follow the rules. Otherwise you're in some other club.

Your humanism doesn't override scripture. If a spouse is being abused they can leave (not divorce, not remarry) and seek help. But there is nothing that allows for divorce or remarriage out of a covenant. Frankly, your example is not the norm. What happens is two people get married and after the infatuation wears off they get bored. They meet someone at work who is exciting and then justify destroying their families. I bet there are plenty of spouses, both male and female, who get really cocky and rude to their other because they have a backup plan. Indeed, many get married believing they can bail anytime they want.


well, I got news for ya.... Marriage isn't easy until both partners learn how to do it. Unfortunately, too many quit before that happens.

You know all you need. A covenant marriage has been legally split apart due to pride, selfish behavior, and unforgiveness. I pray Amy repents and Tim forgives. That they return to living as husband and wife, which they are no matter what an unrighteousness court says.

[Skull-1]

I couldn't have expressed it better myself.
That should definitely put skull in his place!
Although I doubt it since he is trolling.
And there is a special place, it is called HELL.


There is no hell, you ignorant twit.

[Spursmania]

Worst thread ever

[Leetonidas]

God doesn't exist. The Bible is a book of fairy tales. Quit arguing over nonsense please.

[xmas1997]

There is no hell, you ignorant twit.

What? :lmao You quote scripture, but say there is no hell when it is clearly mentioned in there numerous times.
You have just proved you are by far and none the most ignorant poster to ever post on this site.
What bible are quoting from, Wiccan?
:rollin

[houston spurs fan]

This site has gone so downhill

[Leetonidas]

"From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. 'Go up, baldhead,' they shouted, 'go up, baldhead!'"

"The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the children to pieces."

— 2 Kings 2:23-24





stupid fucking book

[xmas1997]

This site has gone so downhill

Amen to that, brother!
But I share blame for it's demise. Sorry, I just couldn't resist correcting that troll when he clearly did not know what he was talking about. Having been steeped in the bible teaching, catechism, and many other great religious teachings since I was two, I felt it was required that I weigh in and attempt to educate skull. That was before it was brought to my attention that he was trolling for his own self gratification.
I'll try to resist in the future, sorry if I had a hand in offending anyone.

[Leetonidas]

The Bible also says unicorns existed :lmao

[xmas1997]

The Bible also says unicorns existed :lmao

:lmao
I never realized you had a sense of humor.
But I get it now.
:rollin

Better be careful, leetonidas, or you'll bring down the wrath of skull on you! :lmao

[Leetonidas]

Skull is on my friends list. :) It's okay if he believes in unicorns.

[xmas1997]

Skull is on my friends list. :) It's okay if he believes in unicorns.

:lol
And a refined sense no less!
I wouldn't be surprised if he did believe in them, and even went so far as to quote scripture of their existence!:rollin

[Skull-1]

What? :lmao You quote scripture, but say there is no hell when it is clearly mentioned in there numerous times.
You have just proved you are by far and none the most ignorant poster to ever post on this site.
What bible are quoting from, Wiccan?
:rollin



Sheol. Hades. Gehenna. These are all translated incorrectly as hell. Burning forever in a cavern of flames when you die is pagan mythology that ignorant Christians believe without critical thought. Age is translated wrong also.

“How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. - Jer 8:8 (Idiot bible translators are the scribes. The same ones who turned premarital sex/fornication/porneia into sexual immorality/marital unfaithfulness.)


It is a great scam to divert you from the truth and scare you into tithing to get dead relatives out of purgatory and other such nonsense.

These things are way to deep for a child like you. You can't get judgment, discipline, or marriage right. I can't possibly explain to you all the scripture about "hell".

That said, if you are so afraid of hell then you should get your act together and start obeying the commands of Christ and condemn evil like divorce.

[Skull-1]

Skull is on my friends list. :) It's okay if he believes in unicorns.


Exactly! :) (But I don't believe very much of the OT is literal. A unicorn is just as real as the Ark, aka not real. Theoretically a unicorn could have gone extinct or was the name given to something else, but it doesn't really matter as Genesis is a PARABLE.)

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

You sure can tell it's the off-season... :rolleyes

[PlayNando]

fk thus botch. timmy hneeds to give her a pie e uf gus azz and call ut a day tbh,b dat biotg cant be takin to my man ti mlike dat rwk wal

[Skull-1]

"From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. 'Go up, baldhead,' they shouted, 'go up, baldhead!'"

"The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the children to pieces."

— 2 Kings 2:23-24





stupid fucking book

A parable, bro. Has a deeper meaning than anything literal.

The book isn't stupid, it's the idiots who can't read it correctly that are the problem. So much is figurative for spiritual reasons. There was no Adam and Eve or an Ark or Tower of Babel or a literal Exodus. Those things are parables that represent other, deeper stuff.

[Skull-1]

Amen to that, brother!
But I share blame for it's demise. Sorry, I just couldn't resist correcting that troll when he clearly did not know what he was talking about. Having been steeped in the bible teaching, catechism, and many other great religious teachings since I was two, I felt it was required that I weigh in and attempt to educate skull. That was before it was brought to my attention that he was trolling for his own self gratification.
I'll try to resist in the future, sorry if I had a hand in offending anyone.

catechism? You believe in that infallible (lmao) religion/denomination that excommunicated and/or killed people for daring to say such things as the earth orbits the sun? Lmfao. "Sorry Galileo. We can't allow anyone to doubt the church. You're out of the club."

I spent my first thirty-seven years a catholic. They have it just as wrong as the rest, only a different flavor of wrong.

[xmas1997]

More of your idle malicious gossip I see, hidden behind and falsely justified by misinterpretations of scripture.
You are no better than all the false preachers out there who you rail against and will certainly be punished as such when your time comes.
A word to the wise: keep your nose out of it. Pray if you want to, but stay out of it and quit your gossiping about it!

[benefactor]

http://www.donnymiller.com/fineart/universe/letitgo.jpg

[callo1]

catechism? You mean that infallible (lmao) religion that killed people for daring to say the earth orbits the sun? Lmfao.

I spent my first thirty-seven years a catholic. They have it just as wrong as the rest, only a different flavor of wrong.

Man's motivations and greed has provided multitudes of excuses to use the Bible as means to meet their ends...I don't hardly see how a religion should be discredited based upon the acts of human greed.

Maybe you have your own motivations to discredit religion based upon your experiences...former Catholic alter boy by chance? Just saying

Arguing on the internet either for or against religion is moronic, especially on a sports forum....jeesh!!

[Skull-1]

More of your idle malicious gossip I see, hidden behind and falsely justified by misinterpretations of scripture.
You are no better than all the false preachers out there who you rail against and will certainly be punished as such when your time comes.
A word to the wise: keep your nose out of it. Pray if you want to, but stay out of it and quit your gossiping about it!

Don't give me orders. You have no authority over me. You are an unruly student, not a teacher.

Divorce is sin. Remarriage is adultery. Stop being a stumbling block by encouraging others to sin.

You should also repent of your mocking of God's righteousness and those He sends to deliver the message. If you don't do it in this life, I assure you that you shall in the next.

[Skull-1]

Man's motivations and greed has provided multitudes of excuses to use the Bible as means to meet their ends...I don't hardly see how a religion should be discredited based upon the acts of human greed.

Maybe you have your own motivations to discredit religion based upon your experiences...former Catholic alter boy by chance? Just saying

Arguing on the internet either for or against religion is moronic, especially on a sports forum....jeesh!!


When someone cites a denomination as an authority over the scriptures it is immediate cause for rejection. The organized religions all subjugate the Word of God to their man made traditions as scripture teaches they do. Xmas, in his continual argument about scripture without actually citing scripture--he did quote the Declaration of Independence, though--cited his catechism as a basis for his supposed expertise on the subject. I merely nuked the whole Papal Infallibility bs with but one example of thousands.


Your reference to altar boys is another.

The religion is discredited for advocating positions, dogma, and doctrine not supported by scripture. This goes for all the idiot literalists who think the so-called Old Testament is history, when we are told it is parable and prophecy. The Bible is a book for grown ups, that's why Xmas and the like cannot comprehend even its most visible aspects.

[xmas1997]

Man's motivations and greed has provided multitudes of excuses to use the Bible as means to meet their ends...I don't hardly see how a religion should be discredited based upon the acts of human greed.

Maybe you have your own motivations to discredit religion based upon your experiences...former Catholic alter boy by chance? Just saying

Arguing on the internet either for or against religion is moronic, especially on a sports forum....jeesh!!

This is very true.
I tried telling skull this but he kept up his trolling.
He is obviously rebelling against being told what to do.
But that is a typical reaction as I continue to educate him to the truth.
Eventually he will learn, but he will have to grow up first because what I am teaching him he can only learn when he matures.
At least I told him what do, which fulfills my obligation toward him. I can't help it if he rebels and follows his own folly.

[Skull-1]

This is very true.
I tried telling skull this but he kept up his trolling.
He is obviously rebelling against being told what to do.
But that is a typical reaction as I continue to educate him to the truth.
Eventually he will learn, but he will have to grow up first because what I am teaching him he can only learn when he matures.
At least I told him what do, which fulfills my obligation toward him. I can't help it if he rebels and follows his own folly.


Epic trolling. I gotta hand it to ya.

[anakha]

http://www.donnymiller.com/fineart/universe/letitgo.jpg

[ismael-robert]

The Bible also says unicorns existed :lmao
www.answersingenesis.org/articles/aid/v2/n1/unicorns-in-bible
www.gotquestions.org/Elisha-baldhead.html explains 2 kings 2:23-24
As skull said careful how u read Bible and definitely dont seek translations from atheist websites. Any further questions dont hesitate to ask!

[Brazil]

ismael-robert

2 posts in 8 years one about robinson one about bible :lol

[Skull-1]

ismael-robert

2 posts in 8 years one about robinson one about bible :lol

And more info in one of his than in 15,498 of yours.

[Brazil]

And more info in one of his than in 15,498 of yours.

:lmao Skull-1

[xmas1997]

:lmao Skull-1

:rollin

[Leetonidas]

www.answersingenesis.org/articles/aid/v2/n1/unicorns-in-bible
www.gotquestions.org/Elisha-baldhead.html explains 2 kings 2:23-24
As skull said careful how u read Bible and definitely dont seek translations from atheist websites. Any further questions dont hesitate to ask!

gtfo with your "oh this is literal but this is a parable! it's all open to interpretation" bullshit. when the book was written, it meant what it said literally. as science has continued to shit on religion, bible thumpers move the goal posts on what is literal and what is not, desperately trying to have their little fairy tale book fit the modern reality or to try and excuse the incredible bigotry, incest, murder, torture, magical fairy tale creatures, and any other garbage.

[xmas1997]

gtfo with your "oh this is literal but this is a parable! it's all open to interpretation" bullshit. when the book was written, it meant what it said literally. as science has continued to shit on religion, bible thumpers move the goal posts on what is literal and what is not, desperately trying to have their little fairy tale book fit the modern reality or to try and excuse the incredible bigotry, incest, murder, torture, magical fairy tale creatures, and any other garbage.


This is exactly what skull is doing! You described his actions perfectly whether you realize it or not.
Thank you.
Regardless, TDs family problems are really none of skulls or anyone else's business. Would you want him or anyone else sticking their noses in your family problems?
In any case, this is a SPORTS forum, not a biblical forum, right?

[Leetonidas]

skull can believe whatever jargon he wants as long as he doesn't try to get me to believe it :lol

[xmas1997]

skull can believe whatever jargon he wants as long as he doesn't try to get me to believe it :lol

I actually feel the same way you do about it and that is why I advised non involvement in this particular threads topic.

[Skull-1]

Don't worry, Leo, I won't try to make you believe it. Literalists would make anyone not want to believe, so I can understand why many don't. Can't blame you.


The parable aspect is pretty clear once you know where to look. Jesus and God tell you. Just about everyone slips right past it. That is also explained. It also explains why xmas thinks it is none of my business when it is. His, too if he is a Christian. One may not be able to change it, but you are to speak out against it.


That's what it means in the passage about looking in the mirror then not remembering what you saw as you turn away. About only being able to "see Moses". Fake christians read the direct words and immediately reject them, but turn to fables and myths.

[Skull-1]

The Son can only do what He has seen the Father doing.



Since Christ spoke in parables to the crowd that means God did, too. That's the Old Testament. Anyone who thinks that stuff is literal is not very bright.


Paul refers to these as Jewish MYTHS and FABLES. They are parables about Jesus.




"All of the Prophets and the Law (the Old Testament) prophesied until John."




"You search the scriptures (The Old Testament) because in them you think you will find eternal life. THEY TESTIFY OF ME (Christ)."

[ohmwrecker]

This is the worst conversation I have ever read on this site. *no hyperbole*

[xmas1997]

I have to live with my conscience. I do not believe in divorce. But it is the province of God Alone to judge others, not us!
So it is between the people getting a divorce and God, not them and me or them and skull.
He needs to understand this, and if he doesn't see this, then I pray someday he will, before he meets his Maker.
Otherwise he will be just as harshly judged.
And no one needs the bible or any other book to know this, they just need to follow their conscience and live a moral life.

[DMC]

Were I to ever meet Jesus face to face, I'd bend his hippie looking faggot ass over and drill him right in his cornhole.

[velik_m]

Were I to ever meet Jesus face to face, I'd bend his hippie looking faggot ass over and drill him right in his cornhole.

But... What Would Jesus Do?

[DMC]

But... What Would Jesus Do?

He'd forgive me.

[ismael-robert]

Xmas why exactly do you think we have a conscience? Where do you think it came from? The Word of God tells us not to judge externally or hypocritically. I cant tell anyone whether or not they're going to Heaven or eternal separation from God. I can't tell someone not to commit adultery if I'm not being loyal to my wife, that includes lusting after others even on computer screen or if I'm single and whorring around. But ifa loved one Iis doing something that will cause them harm are you saying you won't stop them out of fear of judging? Is thst showing yoi love them?
Lee your response shows you really didn't read my articles. There's not so much parables in the articles but as skull said there's a lot of errors in interpreting from Hebrew and Greek to English, mainly in the King James Bible which is an old translation. The New King James and Niv use many of the latest archaeological manuscripts. And it's this archaeology that is proving the bible more n more accurate almost every day. Science as well is proving consistent with the bible not against it. Many well known atheists with more knowledge than you have converted. A debate was recently held at Oxford with some renowned atheists and Christian apologists and the consensus was the atheists lost. Please read tjose articles lee. I do take the Bible more literal than skull but also take it as literature-with metaphors, similes, anthropormorphisims, etc. If anyone tries to convince you Lee take it more as we actually are concerned for our lost brethren and desire God's best for you, and we know what happens if your sins have not been atoned for. If we go on believing we lose nothing.

[Skull-1]

I have to live with my conscience. I do not believe in divorce. But it is the province of God Alone to judge others, not us!
So it is between the people getting a divorce and God, not them and me or them and skull.
He needs to understand this, and if he doesn't see this, then I pray someday he will, before he meets his Maker.
Otherwise he will be just as harshly judged.
And no one needs the bible or any other book to know this, they just need to follow their conscience and live a moral life.




I have repeatedly shown you the direct commands of God on this issue for Christians. God judges those OUTSIDE, Christians are to judge, using Christ's standards, those INSIDE the church. We are also to speak the truth.



Your silly notions of humanism and "decency" may allow you false reassurance, but they do not alter the facts.


If judgment was not authorized then anything goes. May as well have giant sex parties after the false teacher gives his sermon on things he doesn't understand.




You will never have a chance of understanding the parables until you get the literal. The invisible until you get the visible.


The final judgment is God's, but until then we are to judge righteously those within. Doctrine, REPROOF, CORRECTION, and TRAINING IN RIGHTEOUSNESS. This requires JUDGMENT.


You have not offered one single scripture to refute me, nor does one exist.




Now shut your lying face. Your conscience is seared.

[Skull-1]

The NIV is awful, BTW. They took Erasmus' error and popularized it.

[ismael-robert]

If you ever meet Christ it will only be at judgement and you won't have the chance to beg for mercy. He only offers forgiveness in this life no second chances after death

[ohmwrecker]

Jesus Christ.

[ismael-robert]

Skull I believe Tim has the right to move on cause he was not offending party. Does God prefer reconciliation absolutely but the only one who cant move on is Amy since she was violator

[Skull-1]

If you ever meet Christ it will only be at judgement and you won't have the chance to beg for mercy. He only offers forgiveness in this life no second chances after death
I came to bring salvation to ALL MEN. All.

[ismael-robert]

No one forcing u to stick around ohm but u might learn thing or two. Im always open to learn and be sharpened

[ismael-robert]

The road to life is thin and few find it. The path to death is wide and many find it. Sure it was for all, all who want it

[Skull-1]

Skull I believe Tim has the right to move on cause he was not offending party. Does God prefer reconciliation absolutely but the only one who cant move on is Amy since she was violator
That is Erasmian doctrine popularized by Luther. There is no innocent party. Scripture dictates that death, and death alone, can end a covenant marriage. The covenant, the marriage, exists until death.

Every scripture on marriage speaks to its permanence, including Matthew 5 and 19. These speak of Jewish betrothal where fornication is grounds to divorce an ESPOUSED WIFE, aka Mary and Joseph.


A covenant once ratified can neither be altered nor set aside. Gal 3:15


Remarriage while a spouse still lives is adultery, no matter who is or is not "innocent".


This innocent party nonsense is humanism. It is not supported by scripture.


V

[Skull-1]

The road to life is thin and few find it. The path to death is wide and many find it. Sure it was for all, all who want it
Scripture can only be learned by direct revelation or a messenger/apostle.

The narrow way vs the wide parallels the passages on the new wine and the old. It is talking about people like me who have found the truth. Those who haven't are the wide, the many, the old. Those who believe in the innocent party doctrine. Who reject righteous judgment. Who believe all the traditional nonsense taught by all the big denominations.



Only a demon god would roast people in hell for eternity over a lifetime of sin.


All will be judged and recompensed with equity.




Again, scripture does not support eternal punishment by fire, etc. It is ridiculous to think that a drop of sin would result in an bottomless ocean of torment.


The punishment won't be pleasant. However, it won't be eternal or in some mythological hell.




If you can't see the permanence of marriage, which is like kindergarten, then forget the rest. There is no way you will be willing or able to see it.

[ismael-robert]

It wouldn't take a demon God but a just one who cant be in presence of sin due to His holiness. Blaphemy of the Holy Spirit cant be forgiven and thats what unbelievers do

[kemak]

http://themidnightalliance.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/fuck-this-bitch.gif

[ismael-robert]

Interesting the one whodoesnt believe in hell calls me humanist. I never mentioned hell being eternal fire but eternal separation from the imago dei, image of God, in which He is just giving them what they always asked for

[xmas1997]

skull, I have not lied to you. It is only your opinion that I did, when the fact is I did not. And further it does not matter to me whether you believe me or not.
The TRUTH is not JUST contained within the bible. Besides, it has been shown that the bible is incomplete and does not contain all the writings of the Word from the time of Christ, as well as has been changed throughout its history to suit those who sought control of the early Christians such as the Holy Roman Emperor Constantine did at the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D. when he had canon scholars decide which writings would be included and which excluded, and then again as late as 629 A.D., at the Council of Constantinople, with a number of major changes in between those dates, the latest being at the Council of Trent (1645-1563), yet even so it still does not contain all the writings as the Dead Sea Scrolls prove this.
So I make it a habit to refrain from retreating to hiding behind scripture in order to prove a point simply because you can easily prove, or disprove, whatever you want.
You have no right, nor will you ever have the right to judge me and especially by spouting incomplete and twisted scriptures that you have skewed to your own ends and probably have no idea what they mean in the first place!
I can only laugh at your feeble attempts. And pity you.
All you accomplish is make a further fool of yourself. If that is your goal then you are doing it admirably.
You need to examine your conscience, maybe go on a retreat sometime so you can get closer to God leaving your pride behind. Then you might actually learn something profound.

Brazil, God created us with a conscience, that is why we have one, but we also have free will to go against our moral conscience. As long as we are living our lives by morally following our conscience then we are doing Gods Will. And if are called upon to make a judgement call then we must check our conscience first and then live by that decision second, because ultimately God will judge us based upon it.

And basically this is the wrong forum for this type of discussion.:wrongf

[Brazil]

Xmas why exactly do you think we have a conscience? Where do you think it came from? The Word of God tells us not to judge externally or hypocritically. I cant tell anyone whether or not they're going to Heaven or eternal separation from God. I can't tell someone not to commit adultery if I'm not being loyal to my wife, that includes lusting after others even on computer screen or if I'm single and whorring around. But ifa loved one Iis doing something that will cause them harm are you saying you won't stop them out of fear of judging? Is thst showing yoi love them?
Lee your response shows you really didn't read my articles. There's not so much parables in the articles but as skull said there's a lot of errors in interpreting from Hebrew and Greek to English, mainly in the King James Bible which is an old translation. The New King James and Niv use many of the latest archaeological manuscripts. And it's this archaeology that is proving the bible more n more accurate almost every day. Science as well is proving consistent with the bible not against it. Many well known atheists with more knowledge than you have converted. A debate was recently held at Oxford with some renowned atheists and Christian apologists and the consensus was the atheists lost. Please read tjose articles lee. I do take the Bible more literal than skull but also take it as literature-with metaphors, similes, anthropormorphisims, etc. If anyone tries to convince you Lee take it more as we actually are concerned for our lost brethren and desire God's best for you, and we know what happens if your sins have not been atoned for. If we go on believing we lose nothing.

solid third post tbh













:lmao

[Skull-1]

You moron.. You are an idiot. The scriptures actually mention the number of candlesticks that make up......? Extrabiblical sources are wholly unnecessary.


I am judging you. The truth is not in you. You are a liar and a fool.

[xmas1997]

You moron.. You are an idiot. The scriptures actually mention the number of candlesticks that make up......? Extrabiblical sources are wholly unnecessary.

I am judging you. The truth is not in you. You are a liar and a fool.

:lmao and you are calling me the idiot?:lol

I feel really sorry for you, you know not what you do!
And ultimately you will be called down to pay for your narrow minded, convoluted, and self righteous bigotry by the very One you profess to follow.
I forgive your ignorance in this matter, and refuse to take offense.

[Skull-1]

Interesting the one whodoesnt believe in hell calls me humanist. I never mentioned hell being eternal fire but eternal separation from the imago dei, image of God, in which He is just giving them what they always asked for


That is just silly.


For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may nowe receive mercy. 32For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all. Romans 11:30-32


God is sovereign over all things. In the OT that so many incorrectly call literal, Pharoah had his heart hardened by God. The potter makes the clay as HE desires. Wicked people to contend against the good. There is no way He will make billions of people to either burn for ever or separate in anguish, particularly when HE made them that way. It is ludicrous and not supported. God is a JUST God and all will be recompensed with EQUITY. EQUITY.


You are spouting tradition.

[Skull-1]

I feel really sorry for you, you know not what you do!
And ultimately you will be called down to pay for your narrow minded, convoluted, and self righteous bigotry by the very One you profess to follow.
I forgive your ignorance in this matter, and refuse to take offense.


Bigotry? You obviously don't even know what it means as it doesn't apply in any event.

I would feel sorry for you, but not even Jesus had much sympathy for unrepentant, hard headed, self-indulgent, cowardly hypocrites. People with no guts to stand for what is right would be very low on His Rolodex.

[xmas1997]

Bigotry? You obviously don't even know what it means as it doesn't apply in any event.

I would feel sorry for you, but not even Jesus had much sympathy for unrepentant, hard headed, self-indulgent, cowardly hypocrites. People with no guts to stand for what is right would be very low on His Rolodex.


You really don't have any idea of what you're talking about.
You're trying to justify wrong actions by hiding behind the bible proves that.

[Skull-1]

You really don't have any idea of what you're talking about.
You're trying to justify wrong actions by hiding behind the bible proves that.


Again, warning your brother that what he is doing is sinful is NOT wrong. IT IS COMMANDED.

STFU ALREADY.

[xmas1997]

Again, warning your brother that what he is doing is sinful is NOT wrong. IT IS COMMANDED.

STFU ALREADY.

You don't have to get all butthurt over it.
I am only trying to help you by pointing out the holes in your argument.
I am guided by the Holy Spirit in this in steering you toward your God given conscience rather than relying on man made scriptures that have been skewed and twisted according to mans own ends.
Yet you resort to baseless accusations and false teachings.
What does that accomplish you? Nothing but more foolishness.
I should have just told you that you have obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit.
But I tried to aid you in not going further astray than you already are.
Foolish notion on my part. We all have much to learn on this roller coaster called LIFE.
So I say again, leave this discussion for a different forum.
This is a sports forum!

[Skull-1]

You don't have to get all butthurt over it.
I am only trying to help you by pointing out the holes in your argument.
I am guided by the Holy Spirit in this in steering you toward your God given conscience rather than relying on man made scriptures that have been skewed and twisted according to mans own ends.
Yet you resort to baseless accusations and false teachings.
What does that accomplish you? Nothing but more foolishness.
I should have just told you that you have obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit.
But I tried to aid you in not going further astray than you already are.
Foolish notion on my part. We all have much to learn on this roller coaster called LIFE.
So I say again, leave this discussion for a different forum.
This is a sports forum!


The only holes are in your head.


You don't even know what the Holy Spirit is.


The carnal person (xmas) does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. - 1 Cor 2:14

[xmas1997]

The only holes are in your head.


You don't even know what the Holy Spirit is.


The carnal person (xmas) does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. - 1 Cor 2:14


Sorry to inform you but the only folly we are dealing with here is your reasoning!
Truth hurts sometimes!

[Skull-1]

Sorry to inform you but the only folly we are dealing with here is your reasoning!
Truth hurts sometimes!

Please....spare me your stupid assertions.

[xmas1997]

Please....spare me your stupid assertions.

They are called "cliches".
And you would do well to heed them, better than you are doing now anyway!
Follow your God given conscience, skull, and you won't go further astray than you already are.

[Skull-1]

I have a God-given conscience, given through revelation. Which is why I speak against the heresy spread by idiots like you, even though it comes at a price. Your conscience is dead. Scarred. Seared as Paul said.

When you stop posting lies I will stop refuting them.

[ismael-robert]

Interesting the one whodoesnt believe in hell calls me humanist. I never mentioned hell being eternal fire but eternal separation from the imago dei, image of God, in which He is just giving them what they always asked for that's righteous judgement. The truth is simply the gospel not all this nonessential stuff you're complicating it with.

[xmas1997]

I have a God-given conscience, given through revelation. Which is why I speak against the heresy spread by idiots like you, even though it comes at a price. Your conscience is dead. Scarred. Seared as Paul said.

When you stop posting lies will stop refuting them.


As I already told you once, no lies from me. Did you miss remedial reading in grade school or something, or have you not gotten that far yet?
Those lies you accuse me of are a figment of your 1st grade imagination.
Have you learned anything yet?
Doesn't appear you have because you keep spewing BS satanic bible shit.
Good luck with that.
Next you'll be telling me Mexican food in the Valley is better than in S.A. And quoting me demonic scripture to support it.:lol
Don't you have anything better to do, like your homework, than to follow me around this website?

[ismael-robert]

Im goin to have to side with xmas in that skull u sound like the pharisees u condemn. You have no clue how to share the truth with love gentleness n respect. You talk like one with a sharp mind n tongue but not a softened heart. You're right God is in control. We all are born into sin and He saves whomever He chooses to save. You're right again he does form the pots and the rest of the verse says he forms some for destruction. Jesus told Nicodemus you must be born again. That happens by faith God made it very easy.
Xmas there are no errors or missing books. The Bible is Word of God. Yo downplay that is to say God was not in control of what would be handed down to us. One of the test fir canonicity was whether something contained errors or contradictions as the bible contains none and God cant err. So the apocrypha you reference was never considered scripture cause it was nit inspired by Holy Spirit. Its good for history thats it. Plus it was written on different type of paper not the parchment of dead sea scrolls. Lots of books were discovered in dat cave. Secondly it is by comparing todays Bibles to the oldest manuscript evidence that we see the Bible has been translated with near perfect accuracy minus kjv. The minor differences are on small unimportant words that do not take away from the meaning. So no please do not use that argument as its a common one for unbelievers and no believer should believe that at all.

[Skull-1]

As I already told you once, no lies from me. Did you miss remedial reading in grade school or something, or have you not gotten that far yet?
Those lies you accuse me of are a figment of your 1st grade imagination.
Have you learned anything yet?
Doesn't appear you have because you keep spewing BS satanic bible shit.
Good luck with that.
Next you'll be telling me Mexican food in the Valley is better than in S.A. And quoting me demonic scripture to support it.:lol
Don't you have anything better to do, like your homework, than to follow me around this website?


You're the one who can't read, as you've shown for page upon page.


Shut your trap and perhaps this thread will drop off. Keeping spewing unscriptural ignorance and this could be the longest thread of anyone's lifetime.

[ismael-robert]

You honor me with your lips but your heart is far from me

[Skull-1]

Im goin to have to side with xmas in that skull u sound like the pharisees u condemn. You have no clue how to share the truth with love gentleness n respect. You talk like one with a sharp mind n tongue but not a softened heart. You're right God is in control. We all are born into sin and He saves whomever He chooses to save. You're right again he does form the pots and the rest of the verse says he forms some for destruction. Jesus told Nicodemus you must be born again. That happens by faith God made it very easy.
Xmas there are no errors or missing books. The Bible is Word of God. Yo downplay that is to say God was not in control of what would be handed down to us. One of the test fir canonicity was whether something contained errors or contradictions as the bible contains none and God cant err. So the apocrypha you reference was never considered scripture cause it was nit inspired by Holy Spirit. Its good for history thats it. Plus it was written on different type of paper not the parchment of dead sea scrolls. Lots of books were discovered in dat cave. Secondly it is by comparing todays Bibles to the oldest manuscript evidence that we see the Bible has been translated with near perfect accuracy minus kjv. The minor differences are on small unimportant words that do not take away from the meaning. So no please do not use that argument as its a common one for unbelievers and no believer should believe that at all.


I never referenced apocrypha. Not once. Again, you are filled with error.

I have already tried the kind approach. I am not required to be nice to mockers and scoffers. Perhaps you should go back and read all the harshness used by God, Jesus, Paul, etc. when appropriate.


I downplay nothing. The scriptures are veiled on purpose. God keeps them that way in many different ways. The latest and greatest is really just what went before. Biased, wicked translators "who take the truth of God and turn it into a lie." It isn't difficult.


You have no more control over being BORN FROM ABOVE (it is not born again) than you did in the first place physically. HE WHO IS BORN OF GOD CANNOT SIN, CANNOT SIN, CANNOT SIN. 1 John 3. That's not a choice you make or a stupid prayer. It is a process. A painful one. Again, you cite tradition not the Word.


The oldest extant text has a monumental number of errors. Oldest is not best. Not by a long shot. The only way to find the text as originally written is to collate and compare with other texts. You can distill and determine which ones added and which ones subtracted (like MS 69 which added a margin note in an attempt to fix an improper importation of Mat 5 into Mat 19). One of the best researchers on this topic is Dr. Leslie McFall. He is the foremost expert on this.

The most accurate, or at least consistent, is the Byzantine Majority Text. The Egyptian texts are older but contain a monumental number of mistakes, internally and externally.

That being said, even an improperly translated English Bible has enough fail safes in it for a spiritual man to find the truth. You can change FORNICATION to MARITAL UNFAITHFULNESS all you want. The contradicting scriptures are enough for the spiritual man to know what it really means. Or change Gal 3:15 to say IRREVOCABLE AGREEMENT instead of COVENANT. It doesn't matter. The other information is still there in enough places to counter it for the spiritual man....and to trap the carnal one.

Bad translations like the NIV and the NLT are allowed by God for the same reason Jesus spoke in parables....

[ismael-robert]

It pleases God to punish sin not the sinners and who are we as pots to say He cant show His wrath when He chooses

[Skull-1]

It pleases God to punish sin not the sinners and who are we as pots to say He cant show His wrath when He chooses


He already told us it will be with equity. Also, wrath has multiple meanings. Some face correction in this life, some don't. But there is a common salvation at some point.

[ismael-robert]

The apocrypha reference was for xmas. Notice his name at beginning of paragraph. So now whos in error. Never said my salvation was my decision. No one stops sinning. Not till we leave this earth will we be perfected but salvation happens when one truly believes with their heart not their head and receives the Holy Spirit. He then works out the sanctification. By no longer sinning he means continual unrepentant sin or could also mean that by receiving Christ I received His reghteousness so im already perfect and my sins r no longer counted against me

[xmas1997]

It pleases God to punish sin not the sinners and who are we as pots to say He cant show His wrath when He chooses

Skull is truly lost, so lost it really isn't even amusing, it's sad.
Yes, you are right in your comparison to the Pharisees, I pointed this out to him once already, but he is blinded by his self righteousness to the point he cannot see the rightness of God.
Again it is sad. I've tried to open his mind to his God given conscience, but he will have none of that either.
I've never seen someone as closed and narrow minded as skull, ready to condemn just because someone has a different opinion. It is no wonder there are religious wars and persecutions on this planet with sick demented people like that who falsely think they have the right to tell others what to do and how to believe especially when they don't know what they are talking about yet have just enough knowledge to be sickly dangerous. Reminds me of Hitler. Heaven forbid they ever convince anyone of their falsehoods!

I appreciate your insight, ismael, at least it's not veiled in hypocrisy, and shows reason and intelligence.

[Skull-1]

The apocrypha reference was for xmas. Notice his name at beginning of paragraph.

I stand corrected on this point.


So now whos in error. Never said my salvation was my decision. No one stops sinning. Not till we leave this earth will we be perfected but salvation happens when one truly believes with their heart not their head and receives the Holy Spirit. He then works out the sanctification. By no longer sinning he means continual unrepentant sin or could also mean that by receiving Christ I received His reghteousness so im already perfect and my sins r no longer counted against me


You are still in error. Cannot sin. Cannot sin. Cannot sin. Paul said he was aware of NOTHING against himself.


He who is born of God cannot sin. Period. If you still sin you're still not in Christ. Pretty simple stuff when the veil is removed.

[Skull-1]

Skull is truly lost, so lost it really isn't even amusing, it's sad.
Yes, you are right in your comparison to the Pharisees, I pointed this out to him once already, but he is blinded by his self righteousness to the point he cannot see the rightness of God.
Again it is sad. I've tried to open his mind to his God given conscience, but he will have none of that either.
I've never seen someone as closed and narrow minded as skull, ready to condemn just because someone has a different opinion. It is no wonder there are religious wars and persecutions on this planet with sick demented people like that who falsely think they have the right to tell others what to do and how to believe especially when they don't know what they are talking about yet have just enough knowledge to be sickly dangerous. Reminds me of Hitler. Heaven forbid they ever convince anyone of their falsehoods!


You are repeatedly in error. You have been reproved and corrected but refuse to repent. Not my problem.

[Skull-1]

It pleases God to punish sin not the sinners and who are we as pots to say He cant show His wrath when He chooses


God has no pleasure in punishment. It isn't like He relishes it.

[xmas1997]

You are repeatedly in error. You have been reproved and corrected but refuse to repent. Not my problem.


Wrong again, skull. They should put "numb" in front of your name.
You have done nothing except show your foolishness and total ignorance.
Give it up, you lost the argument a long time ago!
You're just too thick headed to admit it, you lost.

[anakha]

So much for letting this fucking thread die.

[Skull-1]

Wrong again, skull. They should put "numb" in front of your name.
You have done nothing except show your foolishness and total ignorance.
Give it up, you lost the argument a long time ago!
You're just too thick headed to admit it, you lost.


Negative, Ghostrider, your trolling is full.

It isn't even argument. An argument would require you to actually make a point for yourself instead of continually making mine.

[xmas1997]

Negative, Ghostrider, your trolling is full.

It isn't even argument. An argument would require you to actually make a point for yourself instead of continually making mine.

:lmao more of your self righteous BS instead of the rightness of God.
You have no point, or did you forget?

[Skull-1]

:lmao more of your self righteous BS instead of the rightness of God.
You have no point, or did you forget?


Still waiting on you to make something other than a complete ass of yourself. Gonna be awhile so I will grab a Snickers.

[xmas1997]

Still waiting on you to make something other than a complete ass of yourself. Gonna be awhile so I will grab a Snickers.

Actually I am pretty competent at making a fool of myself at times, I even poke fun at myself, but you take the cake.
No one could ever top you for a lack of class and in being the fool of fools!
I concede to your ignorance.
Sad part is you seem totally unaware of how foolish you truly are!
At least I know when I'm being an idiot and can admit it when I'm wrong.
You should take some more lessons in that. You might grow up.

[ismael-robert]

And just to make clear by my own conscience im incapable of good. Our definition of good isnt God's. Only He is good. Only those works we allow Him to work through us by the Holy Spirit are the ones that count for anything. Only those done in His name and for His Word and glory. Our own attempts to follow our conscience and do good are like filthy rags to His holiness

[xmas1997]

And just to make clear by my own conscience im incapable of good. Our definition of good isnt God's. Only He is good. Only those works we allow Him to work through us by the Holy Spirit are the ones that count for anything. Only those done in His name and for His Word and glory. Our own attempts to follow our conscience and do good are like filthy rags to His holiness

I easily go along with that.
I don't try to portray myself as someone who is holier than thou like skull does.
There is much to be said for humility and kindness, and especially forgiveness.
I am secure in the knowledge that God will guide me through my conscience as long as I continue to seek Him in a moral manner and do unto others as I would have them do unto me.

[ismael-robert]

If you're a believer in Christ you no longer live by conscience but Spirit. And xmas you're right we csnt force our beliefs upon people but we should definitely share the gospel because only it is the power of salvation. So if you never share it with those you care about and they dont come to Faith don't be surprised when you don't see them with you in eternity. Also don't be afraid to call a brother out of sin and keep them on the narrow path.

[Skull-1]

I easily go along with that.
I don't try to portray myself as someone who is holier than thou like skull does.
There is much to be said for humility and kindness, and especially forgiveness.
I am secure in the knowledge that God will guide me through my conscience as long as I continue to seek Him in a moral manner and do unto others as I would have them do unto me.


Forgiveness requires repentance!

[Skull-1]

If you're a believer in Christ you no longer live by conscience but Spirit. And xmas you're right we csnt force our beliefs upon people but we should definitely share the gospel because only it is the power of salvation. So if you never share it with those you care about and they dont come to Faith don't be surprised when you don't see them with you in eternity. Also don't be afraid to call a brother out of sin and keep them on the narrow path.


And the Spirit will cause you to walk......


It is not sufficient to believe in Christ. Even "demons" believe. You must BELIEVE HIM.

[ismael-robert]

What I meant. Good luck with no sin thing. You're going to have nervous breakdown or be manic depressive. By the wqy didnt paul also say I do what I don't wanna do.

[Axegrinder]

God says: STFU already

[Sean Cagney]

God says: STFU already

Hell even the devil is sick of this shit and says STFU already.......

[Skull-1]

What I meant. Good luck with no sin thing. You're going to have nervous breakdown or be manic depressive. By the wqy didnt paul also say I do what I don't wanna do.


Because Paul is not speaking in the present tense. Romans is one of the most difficult parts of the Bible to understand. I will give you a hint: IT IS NOT LINEAR.

"I am aware of nothing against myself."

The no sin thing is very simple really. If God chooses you then you're chosen. It is a process. Parable of the four soils. Tie that into Peter. That's how it works.

[Skull-1]

Hell even the devil is sick of this shit and says STFU already.......

LOL!!! :)

[ismael-robert]

Yall using abusive language in a discussion on faith is just evidence how far this society has fallen. I love learning about my faith cause in the end its all that matters. God isn't going to ask us how much we can tell him about the Spurs.

[xmas1997]

Yall using abusive language in a discussion on faith is just evidence how far this society has fallen. I love learning about my faith cause in the end its all that matters. God isn't going to ask us how much we can tell him about the Spurs.

Correct, this thread shouldn't even be on here for two reasons, 1. As decent God loving Christians we should be keeping our noses out of other people's business, we have no right to meddle, and there can be no argument about that unless you are an evil malicious gossiper, and 2. This is a forum about the Spurs, not God, a sports forum.
Skull sticks his malicious nose where it does not, nor ever will, belong, so if nothing else, one thing is obviously true, he is no decent Christian! He hides behind scripture and doesn't have the foggiest idea of what he is talking about.
It is so easy to poke holes in his arguments that even a 4th grader could do it.
.

[anakha]

<snip>


As mentioned before - continuing to respond to him just keeps this inane cycle going.

It's painfully obvious neither of you will ever resolve this, so if you really see yourself as the bigger man, step away and just put him back on ignore.

The last week or so has been dominated by both of you bickering as if you both have some repressed sexual tension between you. Frankly, it's getting tiresome. Enough already.

[Skull-1]

Xmas, you are not even worthy of quoting. But the lesson will continue despite your inability to grasp it.

This will go on until you repent, shut your face, or the mods shut it down.


Again, numbnuts. Words mean things. The scripture is clear. We are to judge righteously those INSIDE the church to discipline them. We are ALSO commanded to speak the truth. Thus the UNbiblical civil divorce that Amy and Tim executed is wrong and should be condemned and reconciliation must be promoted.

Meanwhile, stupid, you have yet to argue anything scriptural to support your false assertions. You are a disgrace to the faith you claim.

[xmas1997]

As mentioned before - continuing to respond to him just keeps this inane cycle going.

It's painfully obvious neither of you will ever resolve this, so if you really see yourself as the bigger man, step away and just put him back on ignore.

The last week or so has been dominated by both of you bickering as if you both have some repressed sexual tension between you. Frankly, it's getting tiresome. Enough already.


I suppose you're right, it will take the better man to stop this BS especially since all he wants to do is quote scripture from 3rd grade children's books, so I will have to stop since he has proven to be a child.

[Skull-1]

Nice to know you consider the Word of God third grade. Although, there is one truth. A third grader can understand "until death do us part" a lot better than most adults I know.

[Skull-1]

Yall using abusive language in a discussion on faith is just evidence how far this society has fallen. I love learning about my faith cause in the end its all that matters. God isn't going to ask us how much we can tell him about the Spurs. Abusive language? Let's see. Jesus used words like, serpent, viper, wretched, miserable, poor, blind, naked, fool, etc. God used other words that were even harsher. Words are just words, frankly. If they evoke a visceral response in you (hopefully to get you to realize how much God cannot stand people divorcing their spouses and wrecking their families) then they have done their job. If you want to learn about your faith you came to the right person. If you want to spout off false gospel bullsh*t "christian" tradition then go right ahead into the ditch. I don't really have time for a dummy who doesn't understand that "CANNOT SIN" / "IS NOT ABLE TO SIN" means just what it says. The people never listened to the prophets and wisemen in their day, they won't now either--as it is written. I don't bother worrying about it. It is what it is.

[xmas1997]

Thank you for moving this here, it never should have been in the other forum in the first place.
Now that idiot skull can troll all he wants to and no one will pay any attention to him.

[exstatic]

This thread is still open, but they lock a relatively harmless discussion about duncan228 being missed? Well, alrighty, then.

[Blake]

Nice to know you consider the Word of God third grade.

Sad that we have adults in todays time still believe in fairy tales

[Brazil]

Worst thread ever tbh

[Skull-1]

Thank you for moving this here, it never should have been in the other forum in the first place.
Now that idiot skull can troll all he wants to and no one will pay any attention to him. I agree it should never have been here in the first place, but since it was, and since some are willing to promote lies, I have no choice but to speak up. Everyone who reads this is free to disagree all they wish. It will not worry me in the SLIGHTEST.

[Skull-1]

Sad that we have adults in todays time still believe in fairy tales
I completely agree. The OT is almost entirely parables (as are many things in the NT). Anyone who thinks the Ark is real or that a man literally lived in the belly of a whale for three days is a complete idiot. The Bible is true, it is just not entirely literal. It isn't even MOSTLY literal.

[Blake]

The Bible is true, it is just not entirely literal. It isn't even MOSTLY literal.

If the Bible isn't entirely literal, then it's not true.

[Skull-1]

If the Bible isn't entirely literal, then it's not true.That's a ridiculous comment. Parables contain veiled truth. That's what they're for. If you are going to read the f'ing thing then you have to follow the rules it sets out within itself. It directly tells you in multiple places that it is not a history book. It isn't even linear, both cover to cover and within some of its books (Romans being the greatest example). There is a TON of metaphor, symbolism, and spiritual reference that is not literal at all. Anyone who takes the Bible as literal from beginning to end is a dipsh*t. It has some literal parts, but they are NOT NOT NOT the majority of it.

[Blake]

That's a ridiculous comment. Parables contain veiled truth. That's what they're for. If you are going to read the f'ing thing then you have to follow the rules it sets out within itself. It directly tells you in multiple places that it is not a history book. It isn't even linear, both cover to cover and within some of its books (Romans being the greatest example). There is a TON of metaphor, symbolism, and spiritual reference that is not literal at all. Anyone who takes the Bible as literal from beginning to end is a dipsh*t. It has some literal parts, but they are NOT NOT NOT the majority of it.

Ok, name a part of the Bible that's literally true.

[Skull-1]

Ok, name a part of the Bible that's literally true. Some of Jesus' confrontations with the Pharises. His talks with the disciples in private. Yet even within those somewhat literal events (like any history they probably aren't accurate down to the second--the Pharises ask Christ the question in one account, in the other account of the same event Christ asks them the question....it doesn't really matter as the answer is the same) Jesus spoke in (not exclusively, mind you) veiled, metaphorical language in many cases.

He explains remarriage is adultery which is quite literal, but when He mentions Eunichs being made by birth, choice, or other men that contains enough spiritual metaphor to write a ten page essay. The conversation took place. The disciples were shocked. And Jesus STILL threw a spiritual concept at them that NOBODY today even remotely gets. It is brilliant, really.

[ismael-robert]

Jesus' existence was literal. So if even most educated atheist accept all the historical evidence He lived how is that fairy tale. 11 of the 12 apostles were martyred for believing a fairy tale? Exactly what did they gain for that if they truly didn't witness what they died proclaiming. Last apostle was exiled so still not good ending. Guess its also a shame there's men and scientists with triple doctorates defending the Bible while making atheism look third grade

[ismael-robert]

Xmas you degraded bible again? The very book you've learned your faith from? Its not a salad bar where you pick and choose what you like. Blake I do believe in adam n eve, ark etc oh well. Really not hard to grasp if we can grasp that one supreme being created all this. So why couldn't He perform all the acts in Ot?

[Trainwreck2100]

mods on a mufucking rampage today

[Biernutz]

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[Skull-1]

Xmas you degraded bible again? The very book you've learned your faith from? Its not a salad bar where you pick and choose what you like. Blake I do believe in adam n eve, ark etc oh well. Really not hard to grasp if we can grasp that one supreme being created all this. So why couldn't He perform all the acts in Ot?


Because Jesus explicitly states they are testimony of Him. Prophecy. Paul calls them fables and Jewish myths.


Ecclesiastes says that which has been is that which shall be yet men are not being vomited on the beach after three days inside a whale. IT IS A PARABLE! They (Adam and Eve, Noah, Tower of Babel, Goliath, Jonah and the Whale, etc.) are all parables!

Exodus is not literal and has absolutely NOTHING to do with 50,000 Jews on some extended desert camping trip.

This stuff is so deep it will make your head spin. But until you reject all that bs you were spoon fed all you can see is Moses. The old wine. Noah and the Ark literal? Lmfao!

[Skull-1]

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NO ONE ASKED YOU.

[xmas1997]

Xmas you degraded bible again? The very book you've learned your faith from? Its not a salad bar where you pick and choose what you like. Blake I do believe in adam n eve, ark etc oh well. Really not hard to grasp if we can grasp that one supreme being created all this. So why couldn't He perform all the acts in Ot?

No, not the Bible, rather what that hypocritical self righteous bigoted ignorant asswipe skull calls the bible or scripture.
He's making up BS as he goes along and calling that the bible. That is what I criticized.
If you take writings out of the context they were written it, then naturally you're going to get whatever viewpoint you want rather than the one it was intended for. That is why I accused him of skewing and twisting scripture to suit his own ends, validate his ignorant arguments.
To quote scripture is very dangerous even for biblical scholars because it carries a stiff penalty for leading others astray with misquotes and erroneous translations.
This hypocrite skull is full of more of this than anyone I have ever heard. That is why I was called on to speak out against him! Even so, I refrain from judging him, rather I call him out for his inaccuracies, and poke holes in his ignorant arguments.
It pisses him off that we do this, but in the end it will help him become a better Christian.

[Skull-1]

No, not the Bible, rather what that hypocritical self righteous bigoted ignorant asswipe skull calls the bible or scripture.
He's making up BS as he goes along and calling that the bible. That is what I criticized.


Still awaiting a quote. Your feeble attempt at argument is complete hot air.


My position is accurate, consistent, and fully backed by scripture, page after page which you have been shown but are too stupid to read.

[xmas1997]

Still awaiting a quote. Your feeble attempt at argument is complete hot air.


My position is accurate, consistent, and fully backed by scripture, page after page which you have been shown but are too stupid to read.


You are making up BS as you go along and calling that the bible. That is what I criticize!
If you take writings out of the context they were written it, then naturally you're going to get whatever viewpoint you want rather than the one it was intended for. That is why I accuse you of skewing and twisting scripture to suit your own ends, and validate your ignorant arguments.
To quote scripture is very dangerous even for biblical scholars because it carries a stiff penalty for leading others astray with misquotes and erroneous translations.

This hypocrite skull is full of more of this than anyone I have ever heard. That is why I was called on to speak out against him! Even so, I refrain from judging him, rather I call him out for his inaccuracies, and poke holes in his ignorant arguments.
It pisses him off that we do this, but in the end it will help him become a better Christian.

[Skull-1]

You are making up BS as you go along and calling that the bible. That is what I criticize!
If you take writings out of the context they were written it, then naturally you're going to get whatever viewpoint you want rather than the one it was intended for. That is why I accuse you of skewing and twisting scripture to suit your own ends, and validate your ignorant arguments.
To quote scripture is very dangerous even for biblical scholars because it carries a stiff penalty for leading others astray with misquotes and erroneous translations.

This hypocrite skull is full of more of this than anyone I have ever heard. That is why I was called on to speak out against him! Even so, I refrain from judging him, rather I call him out for his inaccuracies, and poke holes in his ignorant arguments.
It pisses him off that we do this, but in the end it will help him become a better Christian.


Oh, but I take them completely in context from multiple multiple places.


You have yet to refute what I have cited with even a single line of scripture. I have quoted, in context, volumes. We are still waiting, dbag. EVERY WORD OF GOD IS TESTED. I have quoted some of the most basic rules that scripture gives us for understanding it. You just throw ad hominems, unsupported by anything.

You lost the argument a long time ago. Your only recourse is to cast aspersions in a feeble attempt to hide your ineptitude. Epic. F'ing. Fail.

You are the one leading people astray with your false gospel, don't judge fellow believers, sin is perfectly okay, non-quoting bullish-t. Shut the hell up, stupid. You are overmatched and way out of your league.


It is quite obvious all you are doing is trolling. So be it. I have plenty of free time to slay you any way.

[DMC]

lol welcome to the club

[Skull-1]

lol welcome to the club


Thanks brah! Crazy in here! Hahaha!

[xmas1997]

lol welcome to the club


Thanks brah! Crazy in here! Hahaha!

He wasn't even talking to you, skull, you dimwit!:lmao

[Skull-1]

He wasn't even talking to you, skull, you dimwit!:lmao


Stfu, troll. He wasn't talking to you because you wouldn't be able to understand him any way.

[xmas1997]

Stfu, troll. He wasn't talking to you because you wouldn't be able to understand him any way.

:lmao

You have got to be the most dimwitted ignorant troll we've ever had on this site, you take the cake!
Now that you've lost every argument on this site, slink back to your hole!

[Skull-1]

:lmao

You have got to be the most dimwitted ignorant troll we've ever had on this site, you take the cake!
Now that you've lost every argument on this site, slink back to your hole!


We are still waiting, stupid.


...


DMC and I see eye to eye about Ginobili. He wouldn't give you a second thought with your blind homerism. Gtfo.

[xmas1997]

We are still waiting, stupid.
...
DMC and I see eye to eye about Ginobili. He wouldn't give you a second thought with your blind homerism. Gtfo.

See my last post.:lol

[Skull-1]

...I am pretty competent at making a fool of myself at times...

...I know when I'm being an idiot and can admit it when I'm wrong.


You have proven the former, but not the latter.

[xmas1997]

You have proven the former, but not the latter.

See my last post.

[Skull-1]

See my last post.


Gee, what were the odds?

[xmas1997]

Gee, what were the odds?


Again, see my last post.

[Skull-1]

Again, see my last post.


Let me guess....


Squawk squawk.

[xmas1997]

Let me guess....


Squawk squawk.

You can't stand it.
See my last post.

[Skull-1]

You can't stand it.
See my last post.


We have been watching you post your "last" post for quite awhile, yet here you are. Just can't shut your face.

[xmas1997]

We have been watching you post your "last" post for quite awhile, yet here you are. Just can't shut your face.

Idiot, I said for you to see my last post, not my next one. What an ignoramus you are.

[Skull-1]

Idiot, I said for you to see my last post, not my next one. What an ignoramus you are.


Squawk squawk. Last post. Final. Learn English moron.

[xmas1997]

Squawk squawk. Last post. Final. Learn English moron.


See my last post.

[Skull-1]

See my last post.
It is clearly not your last because your ignorant azz is still posting.

[xmas1997]

It is clearly not your last because your ignorant azz is still posting.

Can't help it if you do not understand simple English.
See my last post.

[Skull-1]

Can't help it if you do not understand simple English.
See my last post.


The ignorant troll doesn't know what proper English is. Please insure that was truly your last post.

[Skull-1]

I suppose you're right, it will take the better man to stop this BS especially since all he wants to do is quote scripture from 3rd grade children's books, so I will have to stop since he has proven to be a child.



Still waiting for you to keep your word. Just once. No such luck. You just keep running your mouth.

[xmas1997]

Still waiting for you to keep your word. Just once. No such luck. You just keep running your mouth.


See my last post.

[Skull-1]

See my last post.


Here is a clue genius. Try "previous" or "prior" you inbred clown.

[xmas1997]

Here is a clue genius. Try "previous" or "prior" you inbred clown.

No, clown, I used the correct word, the exact perfect word to convey what I wanted because "previous or prior" was not the last post I made, rather it was just the one I made "next"' right before this one, which would not have been correct.
Whereas my "last" post said what I wanted to say best and did not need to be written over and over again.

[Skull-1]

No, clown, I used the correct word, the exact perfect word to convey what I wanted because "previous or prior" was not the last post I made, rather it was just the one I made "next"' right before this one, which would not have been correct.
Whereas my "last" post said what I wanted to say best and did not need to be written over and over again.


Your previous post said to see your last (that means final) post. But until you shut your hole we will never know what your last post really is.

I think the folks at nambla are looking for you. They miss you.

Your prior post....and your first post....as well as every single one in between said absolutely NOTHING. Go bother someone else. Maybe the Lakers site.....?

[TE]

Here is a clue genius. Try "previous" or "prior" you inbred clown.

tbh I thought this clown was done days ago.

[Skull-1]

tbh I thought this clown was done days ago.


Thank you, TE. I keep waiting for him to shut up like he said he would. At least you finally got him off your six. He is so far up my ass I am gonna need surgery to remove him.

[Blake]

Some of Jesus' confrontations with the Pharises. His talks with the disciples in private. Yet even within those somewhat literal events (like any history they probably aren't accurate down to the second--the Pharises ask Christ the question in one account, in the other account of the same event Christ asks them the question....it doesn't really matter as the answer is the same) Jesus spoke in (not exclusively, mind you) veiled, metaphorical language in many cases.

He explains remarriage is adultery which is quite literal, but when He mentions Eunichs being made by birth, choice, or other men that contains enough spiritual metaphor to write a ten page essay. The conversation took place. The disciples were shocked. And Jesus STILL threw a spiritual concept at them that NOBODY today even remotely gets. It is brilliant, really.

So did Jesus literally do magic tricks like raise Lazarus from the dead?

[xmas1997]

Your previous post said to see your last (that means final) post. But until you shut your hole we will never know what your last post really is.

I think the folks at nambla are looking for you. They miss you.

Your prior post....and your first post....as well as every single one in between said absolutely NOTHING. Go bother someone else. Maybe the Lakers site.....?

Go and see my last post, not my first, although that might help you too, and not my final. If you had done this you would have understood.
But since you don't know proper English and tenses, then you will continue to be ignorant of the truth.
So I will continue to abbreviate my sentence by telling you to see my last post. It said it all..

[Blake]

Xmas you degraded bible again? The very book you've learned your faith from? Its not a salad bar where you pick and choose what you like. Blake I do believe in adam n eve, ark etc oh well. Really not hard to grasp if we can grasp that one supreme being created all this. So why couldn't He perform all the acts in Ot?

the acts God committed in the OT horribly contradict his message of peace and forgiveness in the NT

[TE]

Thank you, TE. I keep waiting for him to shut up like he said he would. At least you finally got him off your six. He is so far up my ass I am gonna need surgery to remove him.

I don't see the logic in proclaiming "I'm done" like some hormonally charged teenage girl only to continue to respond like a vagina. It doesn't help that his posts reek of effeminacy tbh.

[Skull-1]

the acts God committed in the OT horribly contradict his message of peace and forgiveness in the NT
They are parables. They didn't actually happen.

[TE]

the acts God committed in the OT horribly contradict his message of peace and forgiveness in the NT

Sup Blake

[Skull-1]

Go and see my last post, not my first, although that might help you too, and not my final. If you had done this you would have understood.
But since you don't know proper English and tenses, then you will continue to be ignorant of the truth.
So I will continue to abbreviate my sentence by telling you to see my last post. It said it all..

Irrelevant. They have no content.

[Blake]

Jesus' existence was literal. So if even most educated atheist accept all the historical evidence He lived how is that fairy tale. 11 of the 12 apostles were martyred for believing a fairy tale? Exactly what did they gain for that if they truly didn't witness what they died proclaiming. Last apostle was exiled so still not good ending. Guess its also a shame there's men and scientists with triple doctorates defending the Bible while making atheism look third grade

11 dummies

[Skull-1]

I don't see the logic in proclaiming "I'm done" like some hormonally charged teenage girl only to continue to respond like a vagina. It doesn't help that his posts reek of effeminacy tbh.


Well said. The guy is a complete douche.

[Skull-1]

So did Jesus literally do magic tricks like raise Lazarus from the dead?

I believe He did, but that is not important. Consider those things parables that didn't happen and it changes nothing. They are part of a larger spiritual narrative. When He said His true followers, His true believers, His DISCIPLES, would perform greater miracle than those He performed in the narrative....He wasn't talking about the physical.

[xmas1997]

Irrelevant. They have no content.

That is only your opinion, and I have news for you, your opinion does not mean squat to me, or to most other rational thinkers.
As I keep saying until it gets into your thick skull, go and see my last post of consequence.
It said everything I needed to say to you and was perfectly concise and to the point.
What's more, that will be what I will continue to say to you until you have done what I asked you to do which is: see my last post.

[Skull-1]

That is only your opinion, and I have news for you, your opinion does not mean squat to me, or to most other rational thinkers.
As I keep saying until it gets into your thick skull, go and see my last post of consequence.
It said everything I needed to say to you and was perfectly concise and to the point.
What's more, that will be what I will continue to say to you until you have done what I asked you to do which is: see my last post.


You don't have a post of consequence.

[xmas1997]

You don't have a post of consequence.

See my last post. It was all you deserved, it was exactly to the point, and I don't need to repeat it to make my point.

[TE]

See my last post.

It's see my most "recent" post, tbh...:lol

[Blake]

They are parables. They didn't actually happen.

were Jesus' magic tricks all just parables too?

[Blake]

I believe He did, but that is not important. Consider those things parables that didn't happen and it changes nothing. They are part of a larger spiritual narrative. When He said His true followers, His true believers, His DISCIPLES, would perform greater miracle than those He performed in the narrative....He wasn't talking about the physical.

Ok, so you're saying that magic only happened in the new testament?

[xmas1997]

Ok, so you're saying that magic only happened in the new testament?

If you believe anything skull says, then you have only yourself to blame.

[Skull-1]

Ok, so you're saying that magic only happened in the new testament?


I am saying that the OT was referred to directly by Christ as a prophecy and a testimony of Him. His direct words say so.

In terms of Christ performing miracles we have no definitive evidence one way or the other, so that would be a matter of faith. In any event, whether it actually happened (walking on water, healing the sick, or raising the dead) is irrelevant. The events about Christ speak to a higher spiritual meaning. A prophecy that is repeated in every generation. It is way deeper than some history about a hippie in sandals pissing off religious leaders and hanging out with a group of homeless dudes.

[Skull-1]

It's see my most "recent" post, tbh...:lol


Lol! LMAO! :rollin

[xmas1997]

Lol! LMAO! :rollin


See my last post.

[Skull-1]

It's see my most "recent" post, tbh...

[xmas1997]

See my last post, not most recent, not final, not next, not first, not previous, and not prior. Past tense, idiots.

[Skull-1]

And just to make clear by my own conscience im incapable of good. Our definition of good isnt God's. Only He is good. Only those works we allow Him to work through us by the Holy Spirit are the ones that count for anything. Only those done in His name and for His Word and glory. Our own attempts to follow our conscience and do good are like filthy rags to His holiness


...Baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience. - 1 Peter 3

[xmas1997]

...Baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience. - 1 Peter 3


And what have I been telling you all along from my first to last post? A good God given conscience is what you need, but sorely lack.
So go back and read my last post, it was there too.

[Skull-1]

And what have I been telling you all along from my first to last post? A good God given conscience is what you need, but sorely lack.
So go back and read my last post, it was there too.

You don't even have the scriptures on marriage or judgment correct, thus it is impossible for you to have a God given good conscience. Impossible. "The scripture cannot CANNOT CANNOT be broken." Not even by a pathetic little worm like you.

[Blake]

I am saying that the OT was referred to directly by Christ as a prophecy and a testimony of Him. His direct words say so.

In terms of Christ performing miracles we have no definitive evidence one way or the other, so that would be a matter of faith. In any event, whether it actually happened (walking on water, healing the sick, or raising the dead) is irrelevant. The events about Christ speak to a higher spiritual meaning. A prophecy that is repeated in every generation. It is way deeper than some history about a hippie in sandals pissing off religious leaders and hanging out with a group of homeless dudes.

There's nothing anywhere in the NT that refers to the OT as just parables.

the new testament itself clearly says Jesus was walking on water. If he didn't, then the word of God lied.

[Skull-1]

See my last post, not most recent, not final, not next, not first, not previous, and not prior. Past tense, idiots.

Troll. Success!

"All your troll are belong to us."

[Skull-1]

the new testament clearly says Jesus was walking on water. If he didn't, then the word of God lied.

Thats not how it works. The scriptures are veiled. Only those with spiritual eyes can see.

I personally believe He did, but it wouldn't surprise me if He didn't. It doesn't change the point being made.

[Skull-1]

There's nothing anywhere in the NT that refers to the OT as just parables.

the new testament itself clearly says Jesus was walking on water. If he didn't, then the word of God lied.



Also, you show your ignorance of scripture. I have already quoted Christ and Paul explaining that the OT is prophecy and testimony. That Christ spoke in parables because He saw God doing so. That they are Jewish myths and fables.

[xmas1997]

You don't even have the scriptures on marriage or judgment correct, thus it is impossible for you to have a God given good conscience. Impossible. "The scripture cannot CANNOT CANNOT be broken." Not even by a pathetic little worm like you.

You keep spewing your false gospel and you keep judging me where you have no right to judge. You don't even know me, so yours are the empty meaningless words from a false Christian and demon worshiper. You've already been established as and discovered to be a troll.
Why should we ever believe any of your hypocritical lies?
And the only thing veiled is your twisted conception of the truth.
You may as well admit you failed miserably.

[Blake]

Thats not how it works. The scriptures are veiled. Only those with spiritual eyes can see.

I personally believe He did, but it wouldn't surprise me if He didn't. It doesn't change the point being made.

Nothing anywhere says the scriptures are veiled.

You made that up.

[Skull-1]

The Son can only do what He has seen the Father doing. - John 5:19



Since Christ spoke in parables to the crowd that means God did, too. That's the Old Testament. Anyone who thinks that stuff is literal is not very bright.


Paul refers to these as Jewish MYTHS and FABLES. Titus 1:14. 2 Timothy 4:4. There are other references that clue you into the fact that the Ark story isn't literal. Jonah and the whale is an obviousarable about the resurrection.


They are parables about Jesus.




"All of the Prophets and the Law (the Old Testament) prophesied until John." - Matthew 11:13




"You search the scriptures (The Old Testament) because in them you think you will find eternal life. THEY TESTIFY OF ME (Christ)." - John 5:39

[Skull-1]

Nothing anywhere says the scriptures are veiled.

You made that up.


Okay, genius. Why did Jesus speak in parables then?

[Blake]

Also, you show your ignorance of scripture. I have already quoted Christ and Paul explaining that the OT is prophecy and testimony. That Christ spoke in parables because He saw God doing so. That they are Jewish myths and fables.

prophecy/testimony do not equal parables.

You're making up your own reason as to why Christ spoke in parables.

[Skull-1]

Nothing anywhere says the scriptures are veiled.

You made that up.


Epic fail.

For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. 15Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. 16But when oned turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. - 2 Corinthians 3:14-16


There are many others. Answer why Jesus spoke in parables. Come on...

[Blake]

Okay, genius. Why did Jesus speak in parables then?

Good analogies help make speaking points.

[TSA]

Looks like Blake is closing in on a Sunday Internet win.

[xmas1997]

Good analogies help make speaking points.


How right you are!
But you'll never convince skull, because he is a troll trying to get under your skin and failing miserably to do so.

[Skull-1]

prophecy/testimony do not equal parables.

You're making up your own reason as to why Christ spoke in parables.

Oh, I am? Really, douchebag?


Okay numb nuts. I will do the work for you in the hope you might see...

9And when his disciples asked him what this parable meant, 10he said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God, but for others they are in parables, so that ‘seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.’ - Luke 8:9-10



And from Matthew with more detail...


10Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” 11And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12For to the one who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 13This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says:


“‘You will indeed hear but never understand,
and you will indeed see but never perceive.
15 For this people’s heart has grown dull,
and with their ears they can barely hear,
and their eyes they have closed,
lest they should see with their eyes
and hear with their ears
and understand with their heart
and turn, and I would heal them.’


16But blessed are your eyes, for they see, and your ears, for they hear. - Matthew 13:10-16

[Skull-1]

Looks like Blake is closing in on a Sunday Internet win.


Not even close. Do you know how to read?

[Skull-1]

Good analogies help make speaking points.


The analogies they draw are veiled, you stupid azz.

[xmas1997]

The analogies they draw are veiled, you stupid ass.

And so are your eyes, to the Truth.
Don't you see?
Oops, I guess not, asswipe!
You just don't have the balls to admit when you lose.
Epic fail on your part.

[Blake]

Epic fail.

For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. 15Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. 16But when oned turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. - 2 Corinthians 3:14-16


There are many others. Answer why Jesus spoke in parables. Come on...

The scriptures aren't veiled. Their hearts, minds, eyes and other body parts I guess are veiled.

epic meltdown.

[Skull-1]

The scriptures aren't veiled. Their hearts, minds, eyes and other body parts I guess are veiled.

epic meltdown.


Wrong!


"All this I have spoken to you in veiled language. The time is coming when I shall no longer speak to you in veiled language, but will tell you about the Father in plain words." - John 16:25

And the veil is only removed in Christ. You cannot see Heavenly things as a carnal person. Period.


You have to be in Christ.

[Blake]

Oh, I am? Really, douchebag?


Okay numb nuts. I will do the work for you in the hope you might see...

9And when his disciples asked him what this parable meant, 10he said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God, but for others they are in parables, so that ‘seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.’ - Luke 8:9-10



And from Matthew with more detail...


10Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” 11And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12For to the one who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 13This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says:


“‘You will indeed hear but never understand,
and you will indeed see but never perceive.
15 For this people’s heart has grown dull,
and with their ears they can barely hear,
and their eyes they have closed,
lest they should see with their eyes
and hear with their ears
and understand with their heart
and turn, and I would heal them.’


16But blessed are your eyes, for they see, and your ears, for they hear. - Matthew 13:10-16

Yeah, sounds like a long winded way of saying that although the disciples get the message, other people need a good story to make it make sense.

[xmas1997]

Wrong!


And the veil is only removed in Christ. You cannot see Heavenly things as a carnal person. Period.


You have to be in Christ.
It's pretty obvious that you are not in Christ.
More like you think you are Christ risen from the dead.

[Skull-1]

And so are your eyes, to the Truth.
Don't you see?
Oops, I guess not, asswipe!
You just don't have the balls to admit when you lose.
Epic fail on your part.

This testimony is true about you.... "I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?" - John 3:12

[Skull-1]

Yeah, sounds like a long winded way of saying that although the disciples get the message, other people need a good story to make it make sense.


You retard. He tells them, and you, a parable to VEIL THE TRUTH.

[Blake]

Wrong!


And the veil is only removed in Christ. You cannot see Heavenly things as a carnal person. Period.


You have to be in Christ.

Says you.

But hey, you making up your own Bible philosophy is nothing new. It's been around since Bible times.

[xmas1997]

See what I mean?
This idiot is truly delusional.
He is probably a sociopath too who believes his own lies and delusions of grandeur.
Plus he is too busy condemning all of us to really see the true message of Jesus Christ, love and forgiveness.
Well, I forgive you your ignorance skull.

[Blake]

You retard. He tells them, and you, a parable to VEIL THE TRUTH.

why would he come to earth to veil the truth?

[Skull-1]

why would he come to earth to veil the truth?

Ask Him. He tells you why in the verses I quoted.

[Skull-1]

Says you.

But hey, you making up your own Bible philosophy is nothing new. It's been around since Bible times.


No, I am quoting Christ. References to the veiling of scripture are ALL OVER THE PLACE You just don't want to believe it. The old wine is good enough.

"All this I have spoken to you in veiled language. The time is coming when I shall no longer speak to you in veiled language, but will tell you about the Father in plain words." - John 16:25

[xmas1997]

Epic fail on your part, skull. Admit it, you lost big time.

[Skull-1]

Read the words. Veiled. Parable. Perceive. These are consistent.

But they did not understand His meaning: it was veiled from them that they might not perceive it, and they were afraid to ask Him about it. - Luke 9:45


Veiled. Parable. It is the same thing. Idiots.

[Skull-1]

3So if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are dying (perishing, being destroyed). - 2 Cor 4:3

Spiritual concept here.

[xmas1997]

This testimony is true about you.... "I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?" - John 3:12


You keep trying and failing miserably to turn my own words against me.
Give up skull, you lost a long long time ago.
You should repent all the foul things you've said about me, about Pop, about Manu, about San Antonio and the best Mexican food in the world, and about God, .... Also about all these others you maliciously malign.

[Skull-1]

LOL!

[xmas1997]

Thanks for finally once and for all in conceding defeat, that you were totally owned.
No matter what you post from now on, and if you post anything else, it is an admission that you have been wrong all along.
And that your whole entire life up to this point in time has been a complete waste.
This is the final word on this subject.
Goodbye and good riddance.

[Blake]

3So if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are dying (perishing, being destroyed). - 2 Cor 4:3

Spiritual concept here.

nah, there's no actual veil. It's just a parable.

[PlayNando]

Skull-1 is a terrible poster.

[PlayNando]

3So if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are dying (perishing, being destroyed). - 2 Cor 4:3

Spiritual concept here.
LOL at religion.

You are grasping at straws with your mysticism.

[Blake]

No, I am quoting Christ. References to the veiling of scripture are ALL OVER THE PLACE You just don't want to believe it. The old wine is good enough.

"All this I have spoken to you in veiled language. The time is coming when I shall no longer speak to you in veiled language, but will tell you about the Father in plain words." - John 16:25

1 Timothy 2:3-4

King James Version (KJV)
3*For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4*Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.


Because Jesus came down to veil the good news!

[Skull-1]

1 Timothy 2:3-4

King James Version (KJV)
3*For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4*Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.


Because Jesus came down to veil the good news!


It doesn't say *when* they are saved you twit. I already referenced that verse to refute eternal hell, so let's not act like you discovered something I didn't already know.


"But the natural man does not receive/understand/perceive/accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him; and he cannot know....CANNOT KNOW.....cannot know...CANNOT KNOW them because they are spiritually discerned..." - 1 Cor 2:14



Blake, you are overmatched. Give it up. The Good News is consistently referred to as a mystery. As veiled. Parables abound. Jesus Himself tells you it is veiled. Go argue with HIM and tell HIM how wrong He is and how right YOU are. I am sure He will get a good laugh.


When Paul says WE and YOU it doesn't mean everyone--it only refers to those to whom it applies, as defined by scripture...

"--(A)nd the scripture cannot be broken--" -John 10:35

You, sir, are not one of the WE or YOU Paul speaks of. You're a THEY or THEM, a mocker. A fool.


http://biblez.com/searchverse.php?q=Mystery


A few of these don't directly apply but I am growing weary of wasting my time on imbeciles so I am not going to edit them out. I also am not endorsing the version listed. The NIV sucks and is usually the default on that site. I did not check. Disclaimers included, the point is made regardless.


Bible Search Results 1 - 38 of about 38 for Mystery. Search took 0.02 seconds.
Mark 4:11 He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been ...
... And He was saying to them, "To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom
of God, but those who are outside get everything in parables ...
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Luke 8:10 He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of ...
... To whom he said: To you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but
to the rest in parables, that seeing they may not see, and hearing may not ...
//bible.cc/luke/8-10.htm - 19k
Luke 18:34 The disciples did not understand any of this. Its ...
... What he said was a mystery to them, and they didn't know what he meant. ... The words
were a mystery to them, nor could they see what He meant. ...
//bible.cc/luke/18-34.htm - 18k
Romans 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery ...
I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that
you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the ...
//bible.cc/romans/11-25.htm - 20k
Romans 16:25 Now to him who is able to establish you in accordance ...
... who is able to establish you in accordance with my gospel, the message I proclaim
about Jesus Christ, in keeping with the revelation of the mystery hidden for ...
//bible.cc/romans/16-25.htm - 20k
1 Corinthians 2:1 And so it was with me, brothers and sisters. ...
... Brothers and sisters, when I came to you, I didn't speak about God's mystery
as if it were some kind of brilliant message or wisdom. ...
//bible.cc/1_corinthians/2-1.htm - 19k
1 Corinthians 2:7 No, we declare God's wisdom, a mystery that has ...
No, we declare God's wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and
that God destined for our glory before time began. ...
//bible.cc/1_corinthians/2-7.htm - 19k
1 Corinthians 15:51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all ...
Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be
changed ... Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep ...
//bible.cc/1_corinthians/15-51.htm - 18k
Ephesians 1:9 he made known to us the mystery of his will ...
he made known to us the mystery of his will according to
his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ ...
//bible.cc/ephesians/1-9.htm - 18k
Ephesians 3:3 that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation ...
that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. ...
//bible.cc/ephesians/3-3.htm - 18k
Ephesians 3:4 In reading this, then, you will be able to ...
In reading this, then, you will be able to understand
my insight into the mystery of Christ ...
//bible.cc/ephesians/3-4.htm - 18k
Ephesians 3:5 which was not made known to people in other ...
... In the past, this mystery was not known by people as it is now. ...
//bible.cc/ephesians/3-5.htm - 18k
Ephesians 3:6 This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles ...
This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel,
members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in ...
//bible.cc/ephesians/3-6.htm - 19k
Ephesians 3:9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of ...
and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for
ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. ...
//bible.cc/ephesians/3-9.htm - 19k
Ephesians 5:32 This is a profound mystery--but I am talking about ...
This is a profound mystery--but I am talking about Christ and the church. ... This mystery
is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. ...
//bible.cc/ephesians/5-32.htm - 17k
Ephesians 6:19 Pray also for me, that whenever I speak, words may ...
Pray also for me, that whenever I speak, words may be given me so that
I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel ...
//bible.cc/ephesians/6-19.htm - 18k
Colossians 1:26 the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and ...
the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations,
but is now disclosed to the Lord's people. ...
//bible.cc/colossians/1-26.htm - 18k
Colossians 1:27 To them God has chosen to make known among the ...
To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches
of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. ...
//bible.cc/colossians/1-27.htm - 19k
Colossians 2:2 My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and ...
... may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches
of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God ...
//bible.cc/colossians/2-2.htm - 20k
Colossians 4:3 And pray for us, too, that God may open a door for ...
And pray for us, too, that God may open a door for our message, so that we
may proclaim the mystery of Christ, for which I am in chains. ...
//bible.cc/colossians/4-3.htm - 19k
Colossians 4:4 Pray that I may proclaim it clearly, as I should.
... Pray that I may make this mystery as clear as possible. ...
//bible.cc/colossians/4-4.htm - 17k
2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already ...
... For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now ... The mystery
of this sin is already at work. But it cannot work ...
//bible.cc/2_thessalonians/2-7.htm - 19k
1 Timothy 3:9 They must keep hold of the deep truths of the faith ...
... They must be committed to the mystery of the faith now revealed
and must live with a clear conscience. ...
//bible.cc/1_timothy/3-9.htm - 17k
1 Timothy 3:16 Beyond all question, the mystery from which true ...
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He
appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was ...
//bible.cc/1_timothy/3-16.htm


Then you can search veiled.


Then try hidden, concealed, secret, symbolic, etc..

Parable. Veiled. Hidden. It lays it out there for you. What tiny little bit of knowledge YOU, Blake, THINK you have has been snatched away.

Only a very very few find the truth in this life. To the rest it is hidden. Veiled. The good must contend against something. Someone has to oppress the elect if the elect are to be like their Teacher.

This stuff is way over your head. Keep up with the arrogant rejection of the revelation you are being offered. You will then be assured to learn NOTHING.

[Skull-1]

nah, there's no actual veil. It's just a parable.


A parable IS a veil moron.

[Blake]

A parable IS a veil moron.

Let's look it up.


A parable is a short tale that illustrates universal*truth, one of the simplest of*narratives. It sketches a setting, describes an*action, and shows the*results. It often involves a character facing a*moral*dilemma, or making a questionable*decision*and then suffering the*consequences. Though the meaning of a parable is often not explicitly stated, the meaning is not usually intended to be hidden or secret but on the contrary quite straightforward and obvious.[6]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable

Nothing about a veil. Quite the opposite, actually.

Looks like you are overmatched by wikipedia.

[Skull-1]

Let's look it up.



Nothing about a veil. Quite the opposite, actually.

Looks like you are overmatched by wikipedia.


I ALREADY LOOKED IT UP: IN THE BIBLE. JESUS is the authority on what parables are, not Wikipedia.

Hey! You there! Hello?!?!! Listen carefully......... Jesus defines what a parable is in the many verses I quoted. He spoke in parables to veil the truth so they (YOU!) WOULD NOT....WOULD NOT....WOULD NOT UNDERSTAND / SEE / PERCEIVE.

Are you stupid?


THERE IS NOT A SINGLE PARABLE IN THE BIBLE THAT YOU, BLAKE, CAN EXPLAIN. NOT ONE. (Even the ones I have dropped hints about you do not grasp. And full disclosure: many are still veiled to me, so in that regard you're not alone.)


I will take Jesus over Wikipedia. LMAO at anyone who cites Wikipedia as an authority on scripture.


Go back and read the scriptures again. And again. And again. Very slowly.

"I speak to them in parables so they WILL NOT understand."

Will not.

If understanding by the many was His goal then He would not have spoken in a parable designed explicitly to veil the truth to them.

[Blake]

So he wants all men to be saved, but he veils the truth to all except for a select few.

Your Jesus doesn't seem to want to save all men very badly.

[Skull-1]

So he wants all men to be saved, but he veils the truth to all except for a select few.

Your Jesus doesn't seem to want to save all men very badly.


I am not going to parlay with you much longer.


NARROW IS THE WAY....AND FEW....FEW....FEW.....THERE BE THAT FIND IT. FEW.

I can't explain why the rules are as written, I just know what they are.

Saving all is on His timetable. You put temporal limits on salvation that do not exist. If God chooses to save us after we die then that's His prerogative. It will be far more pleasant to be saved in this life, but I see no scriptural requirement for it to be so.

The truth is veiled for God's purposes, one of which is to show mercy on the evil people.....eventually. I wouldn't want to suffer the recompense that will precede it, however.

[xmas1997]

So he wants all men to be saved, but he veils the truth to all except for a select few.

Your Jesus doesn't seem to want to save all men very badly.

Blake, his jesus isn't the real Christ. He follows the antichrist.
You can tell by his twisting of the Word to fit his tiny narrow self righteous conception of reality.
Tiny minds like his have no choice but to rebel against the Truth.

[Skull-1]

There are man...many...MANY...MANYempty talkers and deceivers...WHO MUST BE SILENCED, for they are upsetting whole families by teaching things they should not teach for sordid gain. - Paul the Apostle through Direct revelation.


Many. Like evangelist preachers, catholic priests, and braindead christians who don't understand the gospel they profess to follow.


I don't make a penny off my teaching. I offer it for free to all. And I am one of a very few. I also do not break apart families preaching remarriage heresies...

The way is narrow. The keys to the Kingdom are the veiled mysteries that most everyone sails right past.

Again, if you cannot perceive the VISIBLE THINGS you will never grasp the spiritual things.

[clambake]

yikes. its like the angry angel_luv.

[Skull-1]

yikes. its like the angry angel_luv.. Righteous anger is perfectly justified.

"Be slow to anger" doesn't mean don't ever be angry.

"Be angry and do not sin." Again, righteous anger is fine.

I am not angry that people don't understand. I am angry at those who mock, scoff, bait, and troll for entertainment. If we want to have a discussion where people truly want to learn my patience is unending. But teenage jackasses who act like morons get the sword pretty fast.

[xmas1997]

See what I mean?
He hangs himself with his own words.

[Skull-1]

See what I mean?
He hangs himself with his own words.


This is why I get angry. You are mocking and baiting. You aren't interested in learning.

My words reference the scriptures.

I am willing to try one more time to teach you, and anyone who is interested, something. I will downshift if you will and then perhaps we can have a rational discussion that will benefit people.


At the very least you may gain some insight into things you missed before.

[clambake]

you're trolling, right?

[xmas1997]

Obviously he thinks he can teach something when he probably doesn't even know the meaning of the word "teach".
And especially so since he has already shown he knows nothing about scripture.
All he has shown is how narrow minded and self righteous and egotistical he is in his own tiny little world of foolishness and self delusion.
All you can do is feel sorry for him, and pray he gets some emotional, intellectual, psychological, and especially some spiritual help somewhere before it is too late.

[xmas1997]

you're trolling, right?


Yes, he is, that's all he ever does, but he tries to disguise it behind meaningless quotes of scripture.
Very sad, indeed!

[Skull-1]

you're trolling, right?

No, but Xmas is. I offered to back up and try again if he would. He isn't interested in anything but mocking. I don't think he has ever even picked up the scriptures. He sure can't quote any.

I suppose it is more fun to be an Internet tough guy than to ask questions and perhaps learn something...

[Skull-1]

Obviously he thinks he can teach something when he probably doesn't even know the meaning of the word "teach".
And especially so since he has already shown he knows nothing about scripture.
All he has shown is how narrow minded and self righteous and egotistical he is in his own tiny little world of foolishness and self delusion.
All you can do is feel sorry for him, and pray he gets some emotional, intellectual, psychological, and especially some spiritual help somewhere before it is too late.


Typical trolling. I have slayed you with the sword and you laugh. So be it.

[xmas1997]

If I've been slain, then how can I laugh? Idiot! If I'm dead, then how can I laugh?
And furthermore the past tense of slay is "slain"' not "slayed", there is no such word.
More of your typical ignorance on parade for all of us to laugh at!

[Skull-1]

If I've been slain, then how can I laugh? Idiot! If I'm dead, then how can I laugh?
And furthermore the past tense of slay is "slain"' not "slayed", there is no such word.
More of your typical ignorance on parade for all of us to laugh at!


You are one of the stupidest people it has ever been my displeasure to encounter. I won't bother answering your question. You can't grasp earthly things so spiritual ones are a waste of time.


slay (sl)
tr.v. slew (sl), slain (sln), slay·ing, slays
1. To kill violently.
2. past tense and past participle often slayed. Slang: To overwhelm, as with laughter or love: Those old jokes still slay me.
[Middle English slen, slayen, from Old English slan.]
slayer n.

[Skull-1]

For He will be handed over to the Gentiles, and will be mocked and mistreated and spit upon... - Luke 18:32

A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone when he is fully trained will be like his teacher. - Luke 6:40

Surely mockers surround me; my eyes must dwell on their hostility. - Job 17:2

Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts... - 2 Peter 3:3

Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men corrupted in mind and disqualified regarding the faith. But they will not get very far, for their folly will be plain to all, as was that of those two men. - Tim 3:8-9

[xmas1997]

Just more scriptural quotes quoted wildly out of context.
When will you learn that you cannot support any argument whatsoever using scripture as your basis?
Life does not work that way.
I will never ever stoop to your level and use scripture in such an infantile way as you do. Nor will I ever be coerced into doing so by the likes of you just for your amusement. I respect scripture a lot more than that than to use it in such a juvenile manner. You can if want to, but you will not get me to, I have more class than that.

[Skull-1]

Just more scriptural quotes quoted wildly out of context.
When will you learn that you cannot support any argument whatsoever using scripture as your basis?
Life does not work that way.
I will never ever stoop to your level and use scripture in such an infantile way as you do. Nor will I ever be coerced into doing so by the likes of you just for your amusement. I respect scripture a lot more than that than to use it in such a juvenile manner. You can if want to, but you will not get me to, I have more class than that.
Correction. You will never use scripture...at all. Because you can't. You don't understand it even at the most basic, obvious levels.

[xmas1997]

You don't have either the right nor the intelligence to correct me. Nor will you ever.
Go back and retread my post before this one. I said it exactly perfect, every word exactly as I intended it to be.
If you want me to change it, then send me a script and maybe I'll use it, but I doubt it.
You can't win an argument until you show irrefutable proof that you are correct, and not JUST because you happen to say I am incorrect, it doesn't work that way.
Nor can you base an argument on scripture because it has long been common knowledge that scripture can be easily twisted, skewed, and misinterpreted by each an every individual on this planet whenever he or she decides to!
It is a common thing to do by those who have evil intentions in order to confuse and divide.
So if you truly want to "teach" (which I seriously doubt you know the meaning of that word), then first learn something, because so far you have zero credibility!

[leemajors]

can you at least take it to PM?

[cantthinkofanything]

I said it exactly perfect

LOL

[Skull-1]

You don't have either the right nor the intelligence to correct me. Nor will you ever.
Go back and retread my post before this one. I said it exactly perfect, every word exactly as I intended it to be.
If you want me to change it, then send me a script and maybe I'll use it, but I doubt it.
You can't win an argument until you show irrefutable proof that you are correct, and not JUST because you happen to say I am incorrect, it doesn't work that way.
Nor can you base an argument on scripture because it has long been common knowledge that scripture can be easily twisted, skewed, and misinterpreted by each an every individual on this planet whenever he or she decides to!
It is a common thing to do by those who have evil intentions in order to confuse and divide.
So if you truly want to "teach" (which I seriously doubt you know the meaning of that word), then first learn something, because so far you have zero credibility!I have already layed it out for you. I have peeled back multiple layers of the onion. If you can start by putting your tradition aside (Paul warned us that traditions of men would replace the Word of God and to thus be wary) then you might start to perceive some of the things that are in there. "Cretins are always liars and they always lie." That isn't just people from Crete. THIS IS NOT A FUN PROCESS. Jesus said that people would reject the new wine because the old wine is good enough. Being born from above is not easy or fun. And it happens very slowly. Look at Paul *AND* Peter. Heck, Paul reproved Peter for backsliding. That had to have been quite humbling for the "lead" Disciple.

[Skull-1]

I will give you another hint or two. 1) The Bible is "The Lion's Book of the Lamb." It is about ONE thing. ONE person. 2) It is a book that is written in a completely non-linear fashion. Take the book, like a deck of cards, shuffle the pages, and put it back together. That's how it is laid out. This is precisely why you have to jump all around to find correlative verses, passages, and princ iples. Indeed, there are things in Psalms, Romans, Revelation, and Genesis that speak to the exact same thing, almost down to the letter, but God changes one word and it causes you to go right past it without making the connection. He did this on purpose. I can't tell you how hard it was for me to give up my "idols" about the OT being literal and hell being eternal, etc. It is not easy or fun and I resisted it greatly. In that we are alike. That's the way it is supposed to be, for whatever reason (He hints at those reasons, too.).

[xmas1997]

LOL


I meant "perfectly", or rather "as I intended to say it."
Sorry.
Didn't mean to imply that I was a perfect being, or infallible.
Sometimes I write too fast for my own good.
:lmao. I am so perfect! :lmao Geez, what a joke! :lol

And, skull, obviously you did not read a word I wrote, otherwise you should have come away with a completely different opinion.
Just go back to what I told you in my earlier post.
And very very s l o w l y r e r e a d, that is, if you can read,
I said it e x a c t l y as I intended.
Maybe for once in your pathetic life you can learn something!
Oh, I forgot, you do not know what the word "learn" means.
So how can I ever expect you to understand what the word "teach" means?
My bad!

[Skull-1]

I meant "perfectly", or rather "as I intended to say it."
Sorry.
Didn't mean to imply that I was a perfect being, or infallible.
Sometimes I write too fast for my own good.
:lmao. I am so perfect! :lmao Geez, what a joke! :lol Even I will admit that was funny.

[Skull-1]

can you at least take it to PM? We could but then Blake or someone else will just stir it back up again, so may as well lay it all out there so I don't have to type it all twice.

[xmas1997]

Even I will admit that was funny.

I will quote you this one time and applaud you for at least having a sense of humor!

[cantthinkofanything]

I meant "perfectly", or rather "as I intended to say it."
Sorry.
Didn't mean to imply that I was a perfect being, or infallible.
Sometimes I write too fast for my own good.
:lmao. I am so perfect! :lmao Geez, what a joke! :lol


The LOL was that you used "exactly" to modify, "perfect".
nevermind...

[xmas1997]

The LOL was that you used "exactly" to modify, "perfect".
nevermind...


Oops!:wow