Power struggle: the real differences between Playstation 4 and Xbox One performance

[IronMaxipad]

http://www.edge-online.com/news/power-struggle-the-real-differences-between-ps4-and-xbox-one-performance/


PlayStation 4 is currently around 50 per cent faster than its rival Xbox One. Multiple high-level game development sources have described the difference in performance between the consoles as “significant” and “obvious.”

Our contacts have told us that memory reads on PS4 are 40-50 per cent quicker than Xbox One, and its ALU (Arithmetic Logic Unit) is around 50 per cent faster. One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. “Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,” concluded one developer.

Microsoft is aware of the problem and, having recently upped the clock speed of Xbox One, is working hard to close the gap on PS4, though one developer we spoke to downplayed the move. “The clock speed update is not significant, it does not change things that much,” he said. “Of course, something is better than nothing.”

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[The Reckoning]

holy fuck the banderas gif is perfect :lmao :lmao :lmao

[DJR210]

They're both crap in comparison to even average PC's these days. This gen there is simply no way to create a powerhouse system that is also cost effective as with the Xbox 360. When it comes to consoles the last thing on the consumers mind should be graphics, because if you are primarily focused on them, PC is simply the only option.

[lefty]

the gif :lol

[Cry Havoc]

http://i.imgur.com/lyBERBz.jpg

[MannyIsGod]

Hey guys try to convince everyone how awesome PCs are for gaming some more This is a new and novel posting style that I've never seen before.

How much does that GTX titan cost? 1k?

[symple19]

:lol

[MannyIsGod]

They're both crap in comparison to even average PC's these days. This gen there is simply no way to create a powerhouse system that is also cost effective as with the Xbox 360. When it comes to consoles the last thing on the consumers mind should be graphics, because if you are primarily focused on them, PC is simply the only option.

This is dumb. Just because its not important enough to deal with all the extra costs of a PC doesn't mean people shouldn't care. If someone wants what a console has to offer over a PC that doesn't mean they don't care about graphics.

[ElNono]

Hey guys try to convince everyone how awesome PCs are for gaming some more This is a new and novel posting style that I've never seen before.

How much does that GTX titan cost? 1k?

It will probably be sub-$400 by the time GTA V comes out for it, tbh...

[DJR210]

This is dumb. Just because its not important enough to deal with all the extra costs of a PC doesn't mean people shouldn't care. If someone wants what a console has to offer over a PC that doesn't mean they don't care about graphics. You are talking about someone who wants what "consoles have to offer over PC's" - that certainly isn't graphics. I referenced in my OP gamers who care primarily about graphics. If you are a graphics or tech nut, you cannot settle for crappy APU based consoles. These days the main thing that captures my attention span in games is the graphics, without the immersion I just lose interest too quickly.

Regarding the "extra" cost of the PC? Let's see how much you spend in one year on subscription fees, nickel and dime DLC opposed to a real mod community, and full cost, no sale games. I must have saved hundreds this year alone picking up top games on Steam sales. How long do you need to wait for greatest hits sales from Sony or MS? 2 years or 20 million sales? Forget that shit, I got Max Payne 3 for 13.99 a couple of months after release on the Steam Xmas sale. That shit adds up quick.


How much does that GTX titan cost? 1k? Nice try. The Titan is on the extreme end of the Spectrum, and is really only necessary when gaming at super high resolutions with ultra settings. You can absolutely shit on both consoles with a 249.00 GTX 760. At 600.00 you have the new Hawaii architecture AMD R9-290 set to outperform the Titan. None of the options are cheap in comparison to an all in one set at 399.00 or 499.00 for a console, but fuck, 500.00 for a crappy ass console that is already getting hammered by dev's as a pain in the ass to program for is a rip off. Might as well invest on a PC IMO.

[DJR210]

It will probably be sub-$400 by the time GTA V comes out for it, tbh...

If I can get a Titan for less than 400 by March I'm getting three.

[The Reckoning]

You are talking about someone who wants what "consoles have to offer over PC's" - that certainly isn't graphics. I referenced in my OP gamers who care primarily about graphics. If you are a graphics or tech nut, you cannot settle for crappy APU based consoles.


not really. gameplay experience is far and above more important than graphics. i have a console only for multiplayer to keep up with friends of mine.

being able to have a huge flatscreen TV in your living room with a console, quality headphones and several people online at once trumps the PC experience for me. there are wayyy too many hackers and raging faggots in the PC online community tbh.

[DJR210]

not really. gameplay experience is far and above more important than graphics. i have a console only for multiplayer to keep up with friends of mine.

being able to have a huge flatscreen TV in your living room with a console, quality headphones and several people online at once trumps the PC experience for me. there are wayyy too many hackers and raging faggots in the PC online community tbh.

That's subjective to the user. It needs to be both for me. As far as your living room comment, you do understand that you can have a PC hooked up in the living room with wireless controllers and headphones connected to the same way you would with a console right? If your friends are console only there's no way around that one, but fuck em', I've made plenty of friends with people on Steam and Origin. Also, don't try and hate on the PC community, you have just as many if not more faggots in the console community. People find hacks and exploits no matter the platform, you know that.

[The Reckoning]

That's subjective to the user. It needs to be both for me. As far as your living room comment, you do understand that you can have a PC hooked up in the living room with wireless controllers and headphones connected to the same way you would with a console right? If your friends are console only there's no way around that one, but fuck em', I've made plenty of friends with people on Steam and Origin. Also, don't try and hate on the PC community, you have just as many if not more faggots in the console community. People find hacks and exploits no matter the platform, you know that.


i don't think the cost benefit of blowing well over a couple of grand on a PC setup just to have hooked up in your living room is worth it.

i'm saying the reason why consoles are so popular is because of accessibility and community - not really so much performance.

though when comparing consoles, performance is a factor. that's why 360 users are switching over this generation.

[DJR210]

i don't think the cost benefit of blowing well over a couple of grand on a PC setup just to have hooked up in your living room is worth it.

i'm saying the reason why consoles are so popular is because of accessibility and community - not really so much performance.

though when comparing consoles, performance is a factor. that's why 360 users are switching over this generation.

Dude, you clearly don't know much about PC gaming, but are trying to put up an argument about why it sucks in comparison to a console.

You can build a quality rig for 6-8 hundred. That is not much more than an Xbox One, an extra controller and a game. The console is more accessable to a casual, but anyone with some common sense and the ability to read an instruction guide or watch a Youtube video can put together a PC in a few hours. Not only is it fun to build one, the experience could also earn you some extra cash in fixing other peoples PC's.

Regarding the community..the only advantage is having more people online, but do you really need all 5 million users to enjoy some online gaming? Is the abundance of screaming, singing, annoying kids that much of a selling point for you?

[The Reckoning]

Regarding the community..the only advantage is having more people online, but do you really need all 5 million users to enjoy some online gaming? Is the abundance of screaming, singing, annoying kids that much of a selling point for you?


gaming isn't a hobby for me. it's a leisure activity. i think that's the selling point.


as for screaming little kids. nothing's more fun than pwning shit gamers online. for me the PC community is too sketchy and competitive. i'm talking people who invest 100s of days into a single game.

[The Reckoning]

granted i still play RTS and turn based games on my laptop that i can't play on consoles, but i have built in graphics so i can't run anything past 2008 lol.

mindless games like shooters, GTA, ncaa, etc are much more satisfying for me on the console. there are pros for both that work for me, but as far as graphics go, it's great for initial impressions, but my eye gets trained pretty fast to the graphics and i don't notice after awhile.

[DJR210]

Again, that's not a fair statement to make. You're telling me if I log in to BF3, MW3, Black Ops 1 or 2 on Xbox or PS3 and I check the leaderboards I will not see players with ridiculous amounts of time invested online?

The competitive level on PC is much higher, I agree, but I see that in first person shooters and RTS games. I used to be good on BF3 on Xbox, but dont stand a chance on PC. The mouse is much more accurate, but takes a fucking long ass time to get good enough to compete online.

[The Reckoning]

The competitive level on PC is much higher, I agree, but I see that in first person shooters and RTS games. I used to be good on BF3 on Xbox, but dont stand a chance on
PC. The mouse is much more accurate, but takes a fucking long ass time to get good enough to compete online.


i agree. the difference between PC and console is that gaming on the PC is a sport. you have to invest time, effort, read up on strategy, even watch streams to get to the high level of play that is evident on the leader boards - even the single match ones.

console you just light up a bowl, play a few games to get the idea, and you're already in the top three. there's so much more instant gratification and alot more room to dick around and just have an all around good time. there's a reason why "professional gamers" are exclusive to the PC.

[leemajors]

i agree. the difference between PC and console is that gaming on the PC is a sport. you have to invest time, effort, read up on strategy, even watch streams to get to the high level of play that is evident on the leader boards - even the single match ones.

console you just light up a bowl, play a few games to get the idea, and you're already in the top three. there's so much more instant gratification and alot more room to dick around and just have an all around good time. there's a reason why "professional gamers" are exclusive to the PC.

ehh some people are like that with computer fps' too. they're really both timesinks and wastes of money tbh

[DJR210]

i agree. the difference between PC and console is that gaming on the PC is a sport. you have to invest time, effort, read up on strategy, even watch streams to get to the high level of play that is evident on the leader boards - even the single match ones.

console you just light up a bowl, play a few games to get the idea, and you're already in the top three. there's so much more instant gratification and alot more room to dick around and just have an all around good time. there's a reason why "professional gamers" are exclusive to the PC.

Just to add to my PC elitist views, I would l like to go on record with my marijuana elitist views as having moved on from the peasantry that is known as "bowls", as I now vaporize 80% pure THC wax in my dab pen before gaming.

[MannyIsGod]

PC gaming has lots of advantages over console gaming. That doesn't mean its better for everyone.

[ElNono]

If I can get a Titan for less than 400 by March I'm getting three.

Is it even announced for PC? I thought this might go the RDR route.

[TDMVPDPOY]

nothin beats widescreen 3monitor setup gaming on a pc...

[Creepn]

Off topic. PC gaming is a timesink like a previous poster stated. It's natural as you get older your sink gets smaller with a job and family to support which is way people view PC gamers as losers after a certain age. I would saaaaay if you have long PC gaming sessions and you're 27-45, 85% chance you are on the "lower ambition" side of the scale. I hate to use the term "loser".

The 15% includes - Accomplished richers and bachelors, the disabled, a marriage with a spouse that revolves around video games.

[DJR210]

Is it even announced for PC? I thought this might go the RDR route.

Nah, nothing official. Some people found references in the code that would lead you to believe a PC version is in the works. You know a next generation console version has to come out, so it would only make sense to port over to PC also.

I'm referencing March as the rumor articles were being published the other day from some of the more reputable PC gaming sites, apparently they have reason to believe a March launch will be announced.

[DJR210]

Off topic. PC gaming is a timesink like a previous poster stated. It's natural as you get older your sink gets smaller with a job and family to support which is way people view PC gamers as losers after a certain age. I would saaaaay if you have long PC gaming sessions and you're 27-45, 85% chance you are on the "lower ambition" side of the scale. I hate to use the term "loser".

The 15% includes - Accomplished richers and bachelors, the disabled, a marriage with a spouse that re-vovles around video games.

Great write up. What are your thoughts on a 27-45 year old individual who has "long gaming sessions" on their console or cell phone?

[Creepn]

Great write up. What are your thoughts on a 27-45 year old individual who has "long gaming sessions" on their console or cell phone?

The comparision just doesn't make a dent when up against the horde of 27-45 pc gamers noobing it up with the other noobs. People die playing long sessions on the PC. I haven't heard a death yet from the console.

Is "noob" still a relevent term? It was when I was a PC gamer.

[DJR210]

The comparision just doesn't make a dent when up against the horde of 27-45 pc gamers noobing it up with the other noobs. People die playing long sessions on the PC. I haven't heard a death yet from the console.

Is "noob" still a relevent term? It was when I was a PC gamer.

Lmao, all credibility in the discussion lost with this post.

[Creepn]

Lmao, all credibility in the discussion lost with this post.

Why is that?

[baseline bum]

Why did this turn into a PC vs Consoles thread? Niggas should stick to the topic and scoff the shitty XBox-One tbh.

[AntiChrist]

PC's are more powerful than my phone, but I still play games on my phone.

I guess I would care more about really high-end graphics, but I get to see real boobs on a regular basis, so the photorealism of virtual boobs doesn't matter to me.

[DJR210]

PC gaming has lots of advantages over console gaming. That doesn't mean its better for everyone.

Not trying to flame at all, but based on your posts thus far, I am assuming you will be getting a new console. I wanted to get your reasons as to why you plan on buying one. My personal reason for upgrading would be to get an experience I cannot get with the current system.

Games - MS and Sony have pledged support for current gen for the next few years. Top games will be available on current gen as well.

Access to the Marketplace, PS Store and online apps - Netflix, Youtube, etc. all available for current gen

Camera/Motion Controls - Available on current gen consoles

Sound - No breakthroughs in sound tech, sound will be the same 5.1 currently available with current gen

Community - Same online capability as current gen

The only clear cut advantage in getting a next gen console based on what I have mentioned would have to be the upgrade in graphics. If this is the case, I just can't see why a consumer would not want to get the best possible experience in relation to the graphical performance and would settle for a system that is already dated prior to being released. Not to mention you get a powerful PC out of the deal which can serve purpuse for several other things in addition to gaming. I mean the new controllers are improved, but does that help sway a decision to buy a completely new console?

[NASpurs]

Jesus Christ, just stop with your crusade about how superior PCs are. No one gives a shit. We all know the pros and cons of each platform. :lol

[The Reckoning]

Why is that?

the correct nomenclature is "n00b"

[resistanze]

Not trying to flame at all, but based on your posts thus far, I am assuming you will be getting a new console. I wanted to get your reasons as to why you plan on buying one. My personal reason for upgrading would be to get an experience I cannot get with the current system.

Games - MS and Sony have pledged support for current gen for the next few years. Top games will be available on current gen as well.

Access to the Marketplace, PS Store and online apps - Netflix, Youtube, etc. all available for current gen

Camera/Motion Controls - Available on current gen consoles

Sound - No breakthroughs in sound tech, sound will be the same 5.1 currently available with current gen

Community - Same online capability as current gen

The only clear cut advantage in getting a next gen console based on what I have mentioned would have to be the upgrade in graphics. If this is the case, I just can't see why a consumer would not want to get the best possible experience in relation to the graphical performance and would settle for a system that is already dated prior to being released. Not to mention you get a powerful PC out of the deal which can serve purpuse for several other things in addition to gaming. I mean the new controllers are improved, but does that help sway a decision to buy a completely new console?
A ton of games will be PS4/Xbox one exclusive (FF, KH, Infamous, Killzone). Don't be disingenuous.

[MannyIsGod]

Not trying to flame at all, but based on your posts thus far, I am assuming you will be getting a new console. I wanted to get your reasons as to why you plan on buying one. My personal reason for upgrading would be to get an experience I cannot get with the current system.

Games - MS and Sony have pledged support for current gen for the next few years. Top games will be available on current gen as well.

Access to the Marketplace, PS Store and online apps - Netflix, Youtube, etc. all available for current gen

Camera/Motion Controls - Available on current gen consoles

Sound - No breakthroughs in sound tech, sound will be the same 5.1 currently available with current gen

Community - Same online capability as current gen

The only clear cut advantage in getting a next gen console based on what I have mentioned would have to be the upgrade in graphics. If this is the case, I just can't see why a consumer would not want to get the best possible experience in relation to the graphical performance and would settle for a system that is already dated prior to being released. Not to mention you get a powerful PC out of the deal which can serve purpuse for several other things in addition to gaming. I mean the new controllers are improved, but does that help sway a decision to buy a completely new console?

My PS3's blue ray drive has some trouble reading games 4 years in. Its a second bluray player and media streamer for our apartment that is easy as shit to set up. Its 400 dollars and is less of a pain to set up and maintain than a PC. Most importantly, don't count on games coming to the PC that I want to play and to play with friends that will own that system.

[MannyIsGod]

Some people just can't help themselves. Have to turn console threads into how much PC gaming is better all the damn time. I don't understand why PC gamers have such an inferiority complex about their systems if they really are so much better.

[DJR210]

Why did this turn into a PC vs Consoles thread? Niggas should stick to the topic and scoff the shitty XBox-One tbh. Never intended my original comment to lead to a PC vs Console thread, my original post was simply to point out the fact that they are both Jaguar based APU crap that has been dated long before their releases. It's a battle of which is the crappiest tbh. It evolved into a "vs" thread because I responded to the inaccurate or stereotypical "PC users are fat geeks hunched over a desk" type comments that were left, and others responded back to me.

And you're right, the claims of the Xbox One's performance in comparison to the PS4 are laughable. They are the Nintendo Wii of the next gen apparently. Ok, maybe not that bad.


Jesus Christ, just stop with your crusade about how superior PCs are. No one gives a shit. We all know the pros and cons of each platform. :lol Yet you still felt the need to stop by and put your two cents in? :lol


A ton of games will be PS4/Xbox one exclusive (FF, KH, Infamous, Killzone). Don't be disingenuous. This is a valid point. Console exclusives are a huge selling point, there just isn't enough of them IMO. I would love access to Madden, Forza, God of War, etc. but I have to take the good with the bad. Hopefully with the x86 architecture across the board, at least maybe I can get a PC Madden next year.


Some people just can't help themselves. Have to turn console threads into how much PC gaming is better all the damn time. I don't understand why PC gamers have such an inferiority complex about their systems if they really are so much better. I speak from the perspective of both sides. It's not a biased opinion whatsoever. I have owned nearly every major console from the NES on, I have the right as a longtime console gamer to shit on them now after transitioning to PC. I made the switch to PC less than a year ago. I guess the real question is why do console gamers get so butthurt when said PC gamer comes in leaves an anti-console remark? :lol

[DJR210]

Also, lol at this thread being our equivalent of the racial war over in The Club.

[IronMaxipad]

Why did this turn into a PC vs Consoles thread? Niggas should stick to the topic and scoff the shitty XBox-One tbh.

This..

Dafuq happened here. I posted this so we can shit on xbone.. >_>

[vander]

is my i7 870 + 6850 as good as a ps4?

[DJR210]

is my i7 870 + 6850 as good as a ps4?

The comparison I saw in regards to the next gen consoles PC equivalent was an i3 and 7850 IIRC. This was before claims surfaced of the the Xbox being so far below the PS4.

[leemajors]

is my i7 870 + 6850 as good as a ps4?

it's irrelevant when you talk about consoles.

[Katherine Robinson]

A lot of blast processing talk.

[AntiChrist]

PC vs console fight


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bkRGH4sJDE

[diego]

Im a lifelong PC gamer, the only console I ever had was a sega genesis that I got as a teenager living in China (after growing up in the states and saving up 50-60$ to but NES, SNES, and turbo grafx cartridges with the neighborhood crew, hello 50 cent cartridges!)(ok, i also got an xbox at a garage sale but I only had it for a couple months and I wanted to play the exclusive oddworld games). So I'm biased. That said...

I last upgraded around 2010, and only in the past couple months have games come out that I cant max out in settings. I find myself pretty bored by most new games- part of it is because I dont have as much free time, but part of it is that Im tired of rehashing same shit / new graphics. I end up playing older games, emulated arcade/console classics, indies, or even the casual/smart phone games more than the AAA PC stuff :oops (which makes my 580 total overkill 90% of the time)

Its especially bad because a lot of the shiny new stuff looks great but plays worse. Id rather have worse graphics if it comes at the expense of less control/fun.

Gamers need to stop rating games solely on their polygon count and "realism". Polygons shaders and lighting arent the only way to make a game look good (I think theyre called artists). And it drives up production costs so high that we only get hollywood style rehashes instead of fresh ideas.

[Captivus]

PC gaming has lots of advantages over console gaming. That doesn't mean its better for everyone.

Exactly, is a different product, completely.
I have both a console and a PC...and yes, before someone asks, my PC can run every game. Still, sometimes you just want to connect the console a play 2K in your couch with a beer. And maybe that same day, I want to hunt dragons in Skyrim...
2K and Dragons...two different things...like PCs and consoles...

[DJR210]

Exactly, is a different product, completely.
I have both a console and a PC...and yes, before someone asks, my PC can run every game. Still, sometimes you just want to connect the console a play 2K in your couch with a beer. And maybe that same day, I want to hunt dragons in Skyrim...
2K and Dragons...two different things...like PCs and consoles...

:lol

I'm trying to decypher through your broken english, but If my translation is correct you're saying that you want a console to play 2k or Skyrim in a couch with a beer.. hmmm.. yeah, you would definitely need a console as PC's do not offer 2K, Skyrim, HDMI ports, wireless controllers, or condone the use of alcohol.

[Captivus]

:lol

I'm trying to decypher through your broken english, but If my translation is correct you're saying that you want a console to play 2k or Skyrim in a couch with a beer.. hmmm.. yeah, you would definitely need a console as PC's do not offer 2K, Skyrim, HDMI ports, wireless controllers, or condone the use of alcohol.

What Im saying is that games like Skyrim should be played in a PC,not a console. Off course, not everybody can have both...and many don't care.
Games like 2K are the same, and its better, IMO, to play them in a console, which usually is connected to a TV near a couch.
So, at the end, 2 different products that fulfill two different needs.
Arguing that a PC is better than a console...well, apple and oranges.

Thats all Im saying...excuse my english, is not perfect, specially when I type quickly.

[DJR210]

Games like 2K are the same, and its better, IMO, to play them in a console, which usually is connected to a TV near a couch.


What the fuck is so hard about picking up your PC (if setup at a desk) and moving it next to your TV and hooking it up via HDMI? :lol

This is a good read here too..

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2049400/why-steamos-will-challenge-windows-for-pc-gaming-supremacy.html

[NASpurs]

Yet you still felt the need to stop by and put your two cents in? :lol



I stopped by to read the original subject of this thread which was the XBox 1 vs PS4. You hijacked it with your faggot takes on how superior PCs are once again. See the difference?

[NASpurs]

Do you jerk off to your PC specs bro?

[MannyIsGod]

What the fuck is so hard about picking up your PC (if setup at a desk) and moving it next to your TV and hooking it up via HDMI? :lol

This is a good read here too..

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2049400/why-steamos-will-challenge-windows-for-pc-gaming-supremacy.html

What if someone just doesn't want to hassle with shit like that? What if someone just wants to come home - turn on a console - and play for a bit while they drink a beer, and thats it? Why do you have to continue to think that everyone has to want the same experience as you?


GREAT you fucking enjoy your PC. NO ONE CARES. Did anyone ask you about your PC experience? Does anyone EVER?

[DJR210]

What if someone just doesn't want to hassle with shit like that? What if someone just wants to come home - turn on a console - and play for a bit while they drink a beer, and thats it? Why do you have to continue to think that everyone has to want the same experience as you?

:lol You mad faggot? It seems so with your all cap highlights. Most people would try and say "anti-PC" gamers are either close minded, too broke, or too stupid to consider it. The Xbox One is gonna be 600.00 with an extra controller, so I wouldn't say it's the money. It's gotta be your stupidity. It's one thing to just say, "I prefer console", but it's different when you try to give your lame justification. Maybe this helps:

Step 1. Turn on PC

Step 2. Grab Beer

Step 3. Launch PC game and pick up controller

Step 4: "Play for a bit while drinking beer, and that's it"

:rollinstupid fucking idiot :rollin

[symple19]

:lol

[IronMexican]

I think what we all got from this thread is a lot of PC gamers are really big fagots.

[chunticakes]

I think what we all got from this thread is a lot of PC gamers are really big fagots.

fat faggot geeks hunched over a desk with an inferiority complex might i add.

[DJR210]

http://atei.st/src/1377707939763541.jpg

[DJR210]

fat faggot geeks hunched over a desk with an inferiority complex might i add.

You mad faggot?

http://www.maximumpc.com/files/u152332/livingroom-2271_small.jpg

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah dude. I'm the mad one. Thats why I go into threads not even about PCs and spam about PCs like an insecure moron. I'm sure this is not the first time you've done it either.

[MannyIsGod]

What the fuck is so hard about picking up your PC (if setup at a desk) and moving it next to your TV and hooking it up via HDMI? :lol

This is a good read here too..

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2049400/why-steamos-will-challenge-windows-for-pc-gaming-supremacy.html


:lol You mad faggot? It seems so with your all cap highlights. Most people would try and say "anti-PC" gamers are either close minded, too broke, or too stupid to consider it. The Xbox One is gonna be 600.00 with an extra controller, so I wouldn't say it's the money. It's gotta be your stupidity. It's one thing to just say, "I prefer console", but it's different when you try to give your lame justification. Maybe this helps:

Step 1. Turn on PC

Step 2. Grab Beer

Step 3. Launch PC game and pick up controller

Step 4: "Play for a bit while drinking beer, and that's it"

:rollinstupid fucking idiot :rollin


Where's the step where you move the PC back and forth between a desk where you use the PC for work and the TV in a completely different room in your house? Where's the step where you have to buy a console anyway because the game is a console exclusive? Where's the step where you end up paying more for a PC because of upgrades you need to do very often. How many games that come out today can you play on a 2006 PC with no upgrades?

I'm paying 400 for a PS4 that will last me a long ass time and will not need any upgrades and will have access to the exclusive games I like. I'll never have to mess with drivers (and its not that its hard - its that I don't have to do it because I don't want to), service packs for an OS, config files, or anything else that I would have to mess with on a PC. I won't have to move it back and forth and I'll be able to add using its functionality on a second TV in my house for all of 100 dollars.

SMH. I guess since CH finally got tired of making these threads and symple just posts emoticons in them you're the new insecure PC gamer around here.

[Creepn]

You mad faggot?

http://www.maximumpc.com/files/u152332/livingroom-2271_small.jpg

lol that is just stupid. Look at that idiot with the keyboard. I bet he's wishing he has a desk right there.

[chunticakes]

lol that is just stupid. Look at that idiot with the keyboard. I bet he's wishing he has a desk right there.

lmao, that's the first time i agree with you man...lol keyboard. fuck yo pc clown.

[symple19]

Where's the step where you move the PC back and forth between a desk where you use the PC for work and the TV in a completely different room in your house? Where's the step where you have to buy a console anyway because the game is a console exclusive? Where's the step where you end up paying more for a PC because of upgrades you need to do very often. How many games that come out today can you play on a 2006 PC with no upgrades?

I'm paying 400 for a PS4 that will last me a long ass time and will not need any upgrades and will have access to the exclusive games I like. I'll never have to mess with drivers (and its not that its hard - its that I don't have to do it because I don't want to), service packs for an OS, config files, or anything else that I would have to mess with on a PC. I won't have to move it back and forth and I'll be able to add using its functionality on a second TV in my house for all of 100 dollars.

SMH. I guess since CH finally got tired of making these threads and symple just posts emoticons in them you're the new insecure PC gamer around here.

You're getting trolled, manny, as evidenced by the novel you just wrote in response to DJR. Must be tough to be such a smart guy and play games on a device for kiddies

And don't get insecurity mixed up with trolling. There's a reason why it's always the same people in here responding when we laugh at those who play on consoles.

It's fun to watch you guys have ass pains

[MannyIsGod]

Well if me writing 3 paragraphs gave you joy, congrats. There are advantages to being simple minded as you've displayed. :tu

[symple19]

Well if me writing 3 paragraphs gave you joy, congrats. There are advantages to being simple minded as you've displayed. :tu

What's "simple" is not responding when people egg you on. For whatever reason this particular subject pisses you off, and it's funny.

[MannyIsGod]

I promise you out of the thousands of posts you and your fellow PC gamers have posted on the subject here I've responded to very few. But by all means, get all the enjoyment you can out of me taking the time to write out a maybe 3 paragraphs in a post that you characterize as a novel. No skin off my back.

[The Reckoning]

i think it boils down to - xbox one is complete shit and will see a dropoff in sales comparable to the ps2->ps3

the free market wins again.

[Death In June]

Consoles are closed systems, so they'll be able to achieve parity with a decent PC for the first year or two. But they were always first and foremost about convenience, ubiquity (performance typically doesn't vary), and affordability. There's also the pull of of exclusives. I have an awesome PC, but it hasn't eliminated my desire for new consoles.

[NASpurs]

Consoles are closed systems, so they'll be able to achieve parity with a decent PC for the first year or two. But they were always first and foremost about convenience, ubiquity (performance typically doesn't vary), and affordability. There's also the pull of of exclusives. I have an awesome PC, but it hasn't eliminated my desire for new consoles.

How dare you keep your options open and not settle over a FUCKING PIECE OF ELECTRONIC like you're going to war for it! Don't you know you're supposed to choose one or the other?! What are you, Switzerland?

[NASpurs]

i think it boils down to - xbox one is complete shit and will see a dropoff in sales comparable to the ps2->ps3

the free market wins again.

I heard PS4 pre orders are almost sold out while there's still plenty of Xbox1s. It didn't help Microsoft the first thing people heard were their crappy policies when it came to rental games and always being online. Sure we may know that they changed all that but the normal Joe who just plays Madden and COD aren't that well informed compared to us and still carry that old information. It's Microsoft's own fault and all that backpeddling they did soured many people as well.

[leemajors]

I heard PS4 pre orders are almost sold out while there's still plenty of Xbox1s. It didn't help Microsoft the first thing people heard were their crappy policies when it came to rental games and always being online. Sure we may know that they changed all that but the normal Joe who just plays Madden and COD aren't that well informed compared to us and still carry that old information. It's Microsoft's own fault and all that backpeddling they did soured many people as well.

Depends on what kind of holiday bundles there are tbh. people will forget in a hurry if they get an exclusive and bonus xbox online points/$$

[ElNono]

:lol arguing PC vs Console while you could be playing GTA V...

Oh wait :lol

[DJR210]

:lol arguing PC vs Console while you could be playing GTA V...

Oh wait :lol

Too busy playing Arma III to care. It will be worth the wait for the superior version.

[DJR210]

Where's the step where you move the PC back and forth between a desk where you use the PC for work and the TV in a completely different room in your house? Where's the step where you have to buy a console anyway because the game is a console exclusive? Where's the step where you end up paying more for a PC because of upgrades you need to do very often. How many games that come out today can you play on a 2006 PC with no upgrades?

I'm paying 400 for a PS4 that will last me a long ass time and will not need any upgrades and will have access to the exclusive games I like. I'll never have to mess with drivers (and its not that its hard - its that I don't have to do it because I don't want to), service packs for an OS, config files, or anything else that I would have to mess with on a PC. I won't have to move it back and forth and I'll be able to add using its functionality on a second TV in my house for all of 100 dollars.

SMH. I guess since CH finally got tired of making these threads and symple just posts emoticons in them you're the new insecure PC gamer around here.

"Where's the step where you move the PC back and forth between a desk where you use the PC for work and the TV in a completely different room in your house?"

Who is to say the PC ever needs to be moved? Have it set up permanently in your living room. I built a gaming PC, not a work PC. Not sure if you are aware of a Micro ATX PC, but they are small enough to be carried by a child in the worst case you would need to move it. Cry Havoc's PC is half the size of a mid tower, and his PC is much bigger than some of the other micro cases out there.

"Where's the step where you have to buy a console anyway because the game is a console exclusive?"

Again, this is valid, but as a PC only gamer you will simply miss out on all two must have exclusives a year. I never said I was a PC only gamer. I just understand they are both not going to be too special as the Xbox 360 was in 2005.

"Where's the step where you end up paying more for a PC because of upgrades you need to do very often"

Where is the step where you may pay as much as a PC off of yearly subscription fees on top of the cost of the system? 64.00 a year Xbox live? This might not be an issue for you depending on Sony's approach, but do the math. There simply is no weight in your argument here. I researched my build fully before purchase, my 680 is going to be relevant for quite some time. If you buy the right parts up front, the PC should last as long as a console would. Microsoft just announced the plan for the Xbox One to have a 10 year life which sucks considering the growth of graphics chips, and the fact that the Xbox One is already outdated. You would be a fool to say now that you will not be looking at technology advances in a few years and not want to be able to experience them on an upgrade restricted console. Developers are going to have so much more to work with in a few years to improve gameplay mechanics and graphics considering the advancements in tech, and the consoles will be stuck in the past.

"How many games that come out today can you play on a 2006 PC with no upgrades?"

You can play most all recent games with older PC's. The game will play just fine, but you may have to adjust the settings based on your framerate preference. Even at low settings, these games will still look better than what is currently possible with the 360 or PS3. 2006 graphics cards will not support DX 11 effects, however DX 9 looks amazing still. Battlefield 4 may be the only exception as it recommends Windows 8, and a graphics card with 3 GB of VRAM.

"I'll never have to mess with drivers (and its not that its hard - its that I don't have to do it because I don't want to), service packs for an OS, config files, or anything else that I would have to mess with on a PC."

I love driver updates. My Nvidia app will notify me of an update, and I will hit the install button. Within 5 minutes my games run better than they did 10 minutes before. Service Packs are rare, and do not need to be installed. A service pack is comparable to a console required update, so how is this different? The PC will automatically install overnight when you shutdown, so this is a non-issue. Config files? Not an issue unless you're a modder.

Again, weak argument. You just seem too close minded to get on board and at least consider the future of games. I could understand if you were such a casual gamer you didn't give a shit, but for you to sit here and debate with me for this long, you're obviously not a casual gamer. There's nothing personal here, I just spouted off my opinion in the original post, and people responded. If you would ever consider it, I'd even be willing to help you build a sick gaming PC, one that could sit in your entertainment center and never need to be moved.

[DJR210]

When we're not fighting over the better gaming platform, this board is fucking 10 feet deep.

[TDMVPDPOY]

bf4 on pc vs console

+64 players i think max is 128 right? vs console how many?

warhammer 40000 on pc fkn 3month campaigns looks nasty just nasty

[DJR210]

It gets worse for Xbox One..

http://m.techradar.com/news/gaming/call-of-duty-ghosts-offers-native-1080p-graphics-on-ps4-only-720p-on-xbox-one-1195090

:lol 500.00 dollar "next gen" console that still cant push 1080p

[DJR210]

:lol Xbox One
:lol More expensive
:lol Less powerful
:lol Can't render 1080p

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/gaming/consoles/ps4-vs-xbox-one-graphics-what-are-the-differences-and-do-they-matter--1195580

[baseline bum]

:lol Xbox One
:lol More expensive
:lol Less powerful
:lol Can't render 1080p

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/gaming/consoles/ps4-vs-xbox-one-graphics-what-are-the-differences-and-do-they-matter--1195580

But can force you to buy XBox Live Gold to watch Netflix which has to be paid for separately?

[DJR210]

But can force you to buy XBox Live Gold to watch Netflix which has to be paid for separately?

Isn't that fucking awesome?

[DJR210]

bf4 on pc vs console

+64 players i think max is 128 right? vs console how many?

warhammer 40000 on pc fkn 3month campaigns looks nasty just nasty

64 on both. Only difference is scaled down graphics (per usual) on console.

[Cry Havoc]

It gets worse for Xbox One..

http://m.techradar.com/news/gaming/call-of-duty-ghosts-offers-native-1080p-graphics-on-ps4-only-720p-on-xbox-one-1195090

:lol 500.00 dollar "next gen" console that still cant push 1080p

Meanwhile you can pay $~600 (less on Black Friday) for a computer that will play BF4 on 1080p with better graphics than either console.

[DJ Mbenga]

that guy that used to be from G4, Adam Sessler was losing his mind after he defended the xbone's lower resolution. dude was defending that shit. only thing stopping me from building a pc is i cant get windows 7 for free. that cuts into my small budget.

[DJR210]

Meanwhile you can pay $~600 (less on Black Friday) for a computer that will play BF4 on 1080p with better graphics than either console.

Not to mention every other game released on both platforms.

But you gotta remember..sometimes people just want to have a beer and play some games on the couch..and nobody wants to have to deal with the hassle of drivers, and all of the other crap associated with PC's. I'll buy the crappier of the gaming options so I can have cool features like media streaming and paid DLC.


only thing stopping me from building a pc is i cant get windows 7 for free. that cuts into my small budget. Didn't pay a cent for mine. Not hard at all.

[Suspect]

I really have been wanting to invest in a gaming pc, I just dont know how to build them/choose the best one.

Pretty much dont know anything about gaming on pcs except the monitors :lol

[NASpurs]

First time in a console launch that the PC looks like the better option... wait let me think about that... yep first time.

[Brunodf]

I really have been wanting to invest in a gaming pc, I just dont know how to build them/choose the best one.

Pretty much dont know anything about gaming on pcs except the monitors :lol
Get a gaming laptop

[DJR210]

Get a gaming laptop

Yeah, horrible advice, please don't listen to this.


First time in a console launch that the PC is the better option... wait let me think about that... yep first time.

True.


I really have been wanting to invest in a gaming pc, I just dont know how to build them/choose the best one.

Pretty much dont know anything about gaming on pcs except the monitors :lol

Literally knew nothing about PC building a year ago. I'd be happy to link you to the 3 videos I used to learn what I needed to know.

[baseline bum]

I really have been wanting to invest in a gaming pc, I just dont know how to build them/choose the best one.

Pretty much dont know anything about gaming on pcs except the monitors :lol

Do some reading on Tom's Hardware, since they always seem to have articles on building a first computer and recommendations for components to fit a given budget. It's not at all difficult. After you do it once you'll never want to buy another desktop prebuilt again.

[baseline bum]

Isn't that fucking awesome?

Still can't believe you need XBox Live Gold just to watch fucking youtube on an XBox 360.

[Suspect]

Yeah, horrible advice, please don't listen to this.



True.



Literally knew nothing about PC building a year ago. I'd be happy to link you to the 3 videos I used to learn what I needed to know.
link me

[Suspect]

Do some reading on Tom's Hardware, since they always seem to have articles on building a first computer and recommendations for components to fit a given budget. It's not at all difficult. After you do it once you'll never want to buy another desktop prebuilt again.
:toast

[DJR210]

Still can't believe you need XBox Live Gold just to watch fucking youtube on an XBox 360.

Yeah, real Jewish of MS tbh. You also need Xbox Live to be able to subscribe to any of the music apps as well.

[DJR210]

link me

There you go.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPIXAtNGGCw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_56kyib-Ls


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxaVBsXEiok

Now as to your question about understanding what parts to buy, I can help you with that too. It all starts with buying the most up to date motherboard technology, and the processor, GPU, and RAM that goes with it. The only item that may not be compatible with a motherboard of those that I just listed is the processor, however once you learn to distingish the type of socket the processor uses (for example the newest 4th generation Intel Core processors are using socket 1150) then you simply match that socket between the two.

Not sure if you have seen the recommendations for pcpartpicker.com, but this site will take all of the guesswork out of your build. Not only will it tell you where to buy the part at it's absolute cheapest, it will also tell you how many watt power supply you will need to power the PC, and it will also tell you if you have selected parts that will not work together. Even if you don't order from the sites it lists, it's good to run your parts through the tool to check for compatibility issues.

[lefty]

First time in a console launch that the PC looks like the better option... wait let me think about that... yep first time.
Yup

Plus, Sony is gonna charge people for online gaming on the PS4 :lmao

Not that I'm an online gamer (except when it comes to owning Ironmaxipad on FIFA), but it's still retarded

[Suspect]

There you go.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPIXAtNGGCw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_56kyib-Ls


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxaVBsXEiok

Now as to your question about understanding what parts to buy, I can help you with that too. It all starts with buying the most up to date motherboard technology, and the processor, GPU, and RAM that goes with it. The only item that may not be compatible with a motherboard of those that I just listed is the processor, however once you learn to distingish the type of socket the processor uses (for example the newest 4th generation Intel Core processors are using socket 1150) then you simply match that socket between the two.

Not sure if you have seen the recommendations for pcpartpicker.com, but this site will take all of the guesswork out of your build. Not only will it tell you where to buy the part at it's absolute cheapest, it will also tell you how many watt power supply you will need to power the PC, and it will also tell you if you have selected parts that will not work together. Even if you don't order from the sites it lists, it's good to run your parts through the tool to check for compatibility issues.
appreciate it

Yup

Plus, Sony is gonna charge people for online gaming on the PS4 :lmao

Not that I'm an online gamer (except when it comes to owning Ironmaxipad on FIFA), but it's still retarded
not really THAT big of a deal considering there are already many users who pay for ps+ now. Considering its still useful for ps3, ps vita(those will still be free online play) you can still use other internet based apps for free, you get "free" games and sales every month, its honestly not bad for $50 a year. M$ is the one to laugh at in this category

[IronMaxipad]

link me

Use this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AvaYhPmP5kwadHZsOW9QVFRkZEpzcUplak5zZFUyYnc&output=html

Different builds for different budgets. Mix and match to your preference.

[DJR210]

Yup

Plus, Sony is gonna charge people for online gaming on the PS4 :lmao

:lol consoles

Steam = 100% Free

Features: online gaming, friend system, chat and voice parties, integrated Steam workshop to easily share and download modded content, demos, weekly sales up to 75% off in some cases, Big Picture Mode that allows you to have a couch gamer friendly interface specifically geared to gaming and web browing with a controller.

If you wan't Netflix, Pandora, Hulu, Crackle, etc. then fucking open a web browser and do it, it's a PC afterall.

[DJR210]

:lmao

Day one update not just to have DVD and BD playback. Fancy paperweights until you install the mandatory update.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/08/xbox-one-needs-mandatory-day-one-update-to-do-anything

:lol Millions of users trying to download at the same time
:lol Didn't they learn from Nintendo?
:lol Microsoft/Sony

[ElNono]

awful... and they're probably gonna ask you everything short of your SSN to have the privilege to download the update in order to 'activate' your console.

Microsoft is especially notorious for this kind of shit, and they seemingly never learn...

[DJR210]

awful... and they're probably gonna ask you everything short of your SSN to have the privilege to download the update in order to 'activate' your console.

Microsoft is especially notorious for this kind of shit, and they seemingly never learn...

Yup. You're gonna have people waiting for days to be able to download the update. So much for launch day.

[DJ Mbenga]

Not to mention every other game released on both platforms.

But you gotta remember..sometimes people just want to have a beer and play some games on the couch..and nobody wants to have to deal with the hassle of drivers, and all of the other crap associated with PC's. I'll buy the crappier of the gaming options so I can have cool features like media streaming and paid DLC.

Didn't pay a cent for mine. Not hard at all.

PM me the details then.

[apalisoc_9]

PM me the details then.

Who is that bitch in your sig?

[ElNono]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/11/09/sony-wont-ban-early-ps4-users/

:lmao

[Suspect]

Who is that bitch in your sig?
that LADY is Hannah Simone

[IronMaxipad]

http://youtu.be/0P8h3ZJbmeY?t=2m25s

:lmao

[DJR210]

Kinda shitty launch lineup for both systems tbh. What game(s) are you planning to pickup at launch?

Titles at launch
PlayStation 4: 16
Xbox One: 23

Exclusive titles

PlayStation 4: Deep Down; Driveclub; InFamous: Second Son; Killzone: Shadow Fall; Knack; Resogun; Shadow of the Beast; The Order: 1886.

Xbox One: Dead Rising 3; Forza Motorsport 5; Halo 5; Killer Instinct; Project Spark; Quantum Break; Ryse: Son of Rome; Sunset Overdrive; Titanfall.

I personally would buy a PS4 over the Xbox as it's more powerful and cheaper. I'm not too interested in their exclusive games, if I had to choose one of them it would probably be Infamous, but for sure I would pick up NBA 2k14 (non-exclusive of course).

For Xbox, I might pick up Forza as an exclusive, and Killer Instinct would be a sure thing as it's F2P.

[Suspect]

people outside waiting at best buy lol

[DJR210]

people outside waiting at best buy lol

Wait 12 hours to come home and wait 12 hours or more to download day 1 update..smh.

[NASpurs]

Wait 12 hours to come home and wait 12 hours or more to download day 1 update..smh.

That's only a problem if you didn't download the firmware beforehand, which Sony put online on their website. You just put it on a USB stick and you're good to go. Nonissue, tbh.

[IronMaxipad]

That's only a problem if you didn't download the firmware beforehand, which Sony put online on their website. You just put it on a USB stick and you're good to go. Nonissue, tbh.
This.. Already have the update on a usb stick..

Amazon already shipped mine should be here tomorrow. I'll be at work doe.

[DJR210]

That's only a problem if you didn't download the firmware beforehand, which Sony put online on their website. You just put it on a USB stick and you're good to go. Nonissue, tbh.

Well, guess you're one of the "smart" ones. What game you gonna get?

[NASpurs]

This.. Already have the update on a usb stick..

Amazon already shipped mine should be here tomorrow. I'll be at work doe.

With the way the consoles launch went last year with the RROD and the YLOD, I'm wary* in diving headfirst for a console this go-around. I'll wait for six months to a year for you early adopters to iron out the kinks. :lol Hope you like the new system bro. You should have asked for the day off, I know I would have. :lol

*edit*

[Suspect]

I hope those 2 free games on ps+ are still free when I get mine in a couple months

[NASpurs]

Well, guess you're one of the "smart" ones. What game you gonna get?

I'm undecided if I'm going to buy an XBone or PS4... or to go the PC route. I'm not feeling these games right now. Only game I want right now is Dark Souls 2 which is going to be on the PS3.

[MannyIsGod]

Pretty sure patch downloads are actually P2P so there shouldn't be any issues with servers. In fact it would seem the more people are downloading it the better.

[MannyIsGod]

I've got BF4 or the PS4 but I'm not sure I'm picking up anything else until Second Son drops. Maybe 2k14

[DJR210]

Pretty sure patch downloads are actually P2P so there shouldn't be any issues with servers. In fact it would seem the more people are downloading it the better.

It's not p2p. It's a Sony server. At least they learned from previous mistakes and allowed people to download from the site to a USB drive.


I'm undecided if I'm going to buy an XBone or PS4... or to go the PC route. I'm not feeling these games right now. Only game I want right now is Dark Souls 2 which is going to be on the PS3.

Yeah the launch games are crappy, but usually the launch games are minus a couple of games. I'll more than likely be getting Dark Souls 2 as well, but will probably just download the torrent off TPB. I only buy the games I plan on playing online tbh.


I've got BF4 or the PS4 but I'm not sure I'm picking up anything else until Second Son drops. Maybe 2k14

I have been a BF advocate since I "saw the light" on the BF franchise with Bad Company 2. After 3 came out I just lost interest in it and thought it was becoming more "CoDish". I haven't even played 4 yet minus the beta. I switched over to the Arma series and it's just so much more fun when cooperating with people online.

I agree with 2k14, that shit looks ridiculous. Only game that has made me even consider *shudders* purchasing a PS4, but I'll just wait til next year when they use the new engine on the PC as well. The current gen on PC doesn't look too bad as it is, plus I'm having a good time w/ the graphics mods, and the extra jersey's and shit people create for the game.

[IronMaxipad]

PS4's instock at amazon
http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-4-Launch/dp/B00BGA9WK2/ref=lp_6427871011_1_3?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1384492231&sr=1-3

[NASpurs]

Yeah the launch games are crappy, but usually the launch games are minus a couple of games. I'll more than likely be getting Dark Souls 2 as well, but will probably just download the torrent off TPB. I only buy the games I plan on playing online tbh.
.

Fuck that, From Software will get all of my monies. For as much time I've put in these games, the satisfaction I get from them as well as the frustration, I'll support those assholes til the day I die. :lol

[IronMaxipad]

:lmao

http://i.imgur.com/uujScOM.gif

Chinkbanderas. Some cringe worthy shit right there.

[Suspect]

sup hypocrite

[DJR210]

Thats one ugly fucking gook no homo.

[MannyIsGod]

Resogun is a lot of fun. Really enjoying that game. BF4 taking forever to finish dowloading on my shitty New Mexico internet. BUT it is cool that I can already play the campaign at least.

Have used the party chat function and it seems good. Have streamed and it seems great as well. So far pretty impressed with the system.

[IronMaxipad]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZKfJ8xCYAEqQiJ.jpg:large

[DJR210]

Visual quality is on par with the jump seen when 2k6 first launched for 360 compared to the regular Xbox.

[Lincoln]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZKfJ8xCYAEqQiJ.jpg:large

Holy shit that looks amazing.

Can't wait to try fifa and BF3 on next gen consoles

Debating ps4 or Xbox tho...I have a ton of friends that play 360 and will get the xb1 so I'm leaning that way but ps4 looks impressive

[DJR210]

Holy shit that looks amazing.

Can't wait to try fifa and BF3 on next gen consoles

Debating ps4 or Xbox tho...I have a ton of friends that play 360 and will get the xb1 so I'm leaning that way but ps4 looks impressive

BF4 you mean, and fuck your friends, you selling yourself short (for 499.00) with the Xbox One.

[NASpurs]

I totally dig that the PS4 controller has a headphone jack... that might be a system seller for me as simple as that sounds. :lol I know I would use it all the time.

[ElNono]

no big drama about downloading the update... I guess the gun was jumped on det one...

[CuckingFunt]

I totally dig that the PS4 controller has a headphone jack... that might be a system seller for me as simple as that sounds. :lol I know I would use it all the time.

I'd need a long cord. I've never outgrown the habit of leaning or violently jerking my controller in the direction my video game character is moving during tense or difficult moments.

[IronMaxipad]

The control feels fucking awesome tbh.

I have sunday off so i'll be able to finally sit down and really play the damn thing.

[Jacob1983]

Is the reason why the Xbox One is 500 dollars because it comes with the Kinect?

[DJR210]

I'd need a long cord. I've never outgrown the habit of leaning or violently jerking my controller in the direction my video game character is moving during tense or difficult moments.

Lol, are you one of the people who thinks leaning or moving your head will allow you to see better in game?


Is the reason why the Xbox One is 500 dollars because it comes with the Kinect?

I think that's a big part of it.


no big drama about downloading the update... I guess the gun was jumped on det one...

Pains me to admit.

[Jacob1983]

I really want one of these systems to be like the Wii U so they will be readily available and cheaper within a year. I wonder how much credit toward an Xbox One or a PS4 shitty Gamestop would give me if I turned in my XBOX 360.

[IronMaxipad]

I really want one of these systems to be like the Wii U so they will be readily available and cheaper within a year. I wonder how much credit toward an Xbox One or a PS4 shitty Gamestop would give me if I turned in my XBOX 360.

Best Buy is giving $100 giftcards for trading in your old 360 or ps3:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=717092

[MannyIsGod]

I totally dig that the PS4 controller has a headphone jack... that might be a system seller for me as simple as that sounds. :lol I know I would use it all the time.

Yeah and with a good pair of buds the in actually sounds pretty good.

[jeebus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu7jHLsW-5s

[symple19]

:lol

[DMC]

I've never wanted to be the first to own new technology. I've always wanted to wait for the bugs to be ironed out, to get reviews from those who had to be the 1st.

[Cry Havoc]

I've never wanted to be the first to own new technology. I've always wanted to wait for the bugs to be ironed out, to get reviews from those who had to be the 1st.

Short of the horrific Xbox 360 launch, most consoles have been solid out of the gate.

[DMC]

Short of the horrific Xbox 360 launch, most consoles have been solid out of the gate.

True, but they aren't the only new technology. There's no penalty for waiting to see which product has the least issues and the best performance. There's no reward for being 1st to own a product, unless you're selling on Ebay. I feel a high percentage of these people who line up for these releases are resellers, much like scalpers imo, and that's too bad.

[Cry Havoc]

True, but they aren't the only new technology. There's no penalty for waiting to see which product has the least issues and the best performance. There's no reward for being 1st to own a product, unless you're selling on Ebay. I feel a high percentage of these people who line up for these releases are resellers, much like scalpers imo, and that's too bad.

There's something to be said for the rush of having something new, something that's completely novel to the world. There are thousands of sites that are talking about it, writing reviews and recommendations and "tricks" you can do. This be it a console or the launch of a major phone. It's a pretty cool feeling to be in the middle of all that experiencing it with so many other people who are super enthusiastic about the tech. And the reward is you get to own the tech earlier. If the time you buy doesn't matter, why don't you wait until the end of the life of a product when they are dirt cheap and buy it then? Because on some level, it of course *does* matter to you, you just don't want to pay that price out of the gate.

[DMC]

There's something to be said for the rush of having something new, something that's completely novel to the world. There are thousands of sites that are talking about it, writing reviews and recommendations and "tricks" you can do. This be it a console or the launch of a major phone. It's a pretty cool feeling to be in the middle of all that experiencing it with so many other people who are super enthusiastic about the tech. And the reward is you get to own the tech earlier. If the time you buy doesn't matter, why don't you wait until the end of the life of a product when they are dirt cheap and buy it then? Because on some level, it of course *does* matter to you, you just don't want to pay that price out of the gate.

The price of the consoles don't drop much if any at all over their useful life. Most of my gaming is done on a PC though. I like playing new releases, and you don't see the new releases for old systems. I doubt games will continue to be released for PS3 after the PS4 takes hold. My PS3 is nearing the end of it's life as is, I've replaced the laser and HDD a couple of times, and done work on the main board. I just like to know I'm buying a solid platform. I don't really get a thrill from being being one of the first to write a complaint about a new product. I expect to have some issues given that I have so many different devices. I don't buy every console that comes out. I do plan on buying a PS4 however, to replace the tired ass PS3 I have now that I really only use for movies and such, rarely games.

[DJR210]

Forbes: "Don't Buy An Xbox One"

http://games.yahoo.com/news/forbes-don-t-buy-xbox-one-152040908.html

[Reck]

The Xbox 1 is actually doing well in sales.

But one thing the article forgets to mention is that the Xbox 1 needed 11 more countries to match the PS4 on the 1 million mark.

PS4 did it only needing 2 countries. (US and Canada)

It will be a while before a clear cut winner in sales at least is to be declared.

[Reck]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5okb9Vc8SY

LOL Microsoft playing big brother.

[baseline bum]

It will probably be sub-$400 by the time GTA V comes out for it, tbh...

Well, the GTX 970 beat the Titan for $330 at GTA V's release, so I guess your ass was kind of right.

[ElNono]

Well, the GTX 970 beat the Titan for $330 at GTA V's release, so I guess your ass was kind of right.

Prolly forgot the Titan has like 12GB of memory... that shit isn't coming down in price anytime soon.

[baseline bum]

Prolly forgot the Titan has like 12GB of memory... that shit isn't coming down in price anytime soon.

The Titan has 6GB and performs a little less than a 970, the Titan Black does also and performs a little less than a 980, and Titan X has 12 GB and performs a little higher than a 980 Ti.

[ElNono]

didn't know there was a non X Titan, tbh... haven't really looked at cards until recently...

[baseline bum]

didn't know there was a non X Titan, tbh... haven't really looked at cards until recently...

There is also Titan Z, which is dual Titan Blacks and launched at three fucking thousand dollars, I kid you not. Then like a month or two later AMD released the R9 295x2 for $1400 that destroyed it.

[baseline bum]

People who buy Titans deserve to be cockpunched.

[IronMexican]

Christ, the first page of this thread is full of fagotry. This is why people hate PC gamers.

[baseline bum]

Christ, the first page of this thread is full of fagotry. This is why people hate PC gamers.

:lol Yeah, I can understand buying a Playstation 4 (but XBox One is still shit). If you're not going to spend $800 or more on a gaming computer then there is no reason to not just buy a $350 PS4 instead unless you're a faggot Warcraft player or a kid into Minecraft.

[IronMexican]

"I'm happy paying a little bit more for the convenience and getting to play with all my friends I interact with in real life."

"No, you fucking imbecile, PC game g is the only way to go. The community is even tighter. Who cares if you can't play with people you actually know. More likely than not, they are all huge fagots."

[Strange Love]

That nigga DJR210 went full commando with his PC master race rants. :lol

[IronMexican]

DJR is a cool poster. We've all had moments on this site tbh. If you pull some of my old stuff, I know I'd bury my head in the sand.

[DJR210]

It's no moment, it's a way of life, peasant.

[Blizzardwizard]

Xbox>>>>>All.

The true master race. Plus, as mentioned above, I get to talk and play with people I actually know, not some Warcraft dweeb that will threaten to hack my account.

[Infinite_limit]

Xbox>>>>>All.

The true master race. Plus, as mentioned above, I get to talk and play with people I actually know, not some Warcraft dweeb that will threaten to hack my account.
Which other consoles did you own, to compare?

And you owned a SNES growing up?

[Blizzardwizard]

Which other consoles did you own, to compare?

And you owned a SNES growing up?

I owned a sega genesis and a gameboy. Had little interest in the SNES or PS1 when that came out.

[baseline bum]

OG Xbox over PS2? No way man, that's crazy talk.

[Heath Ledger]

fuck pc gaming,,,, aimbots, wall hacks fuck that shit.

[DJR210]

fuck pc gaming,,,, aimbots, wall hacks fuck that shit.

I've only seen that fag shit in Counter Strike GO.. that's the only place with losers hardcore enough to want to use that shit

[hater]

:lol Yeah, I can understand buying a Playstation 4 (but XBox One is still shit). If you're not going to spend $800 or more on a gaming computer then there is no reason to not just buy a $350 PS4 instead unless you're a faggot Warcraft player or a kid into Minecraft.

Im neither but I do need my fix of Civ 5. Whats a good video card these days? I need a card that will be able to play Civilization 6 when it comes out....

don't care about other shooter bullshit games IMO

[hater]

this a good card nigs?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487091&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-eDealinfo.com%20Inc.-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=600263&SID=

[hater]

Oh and regarding these anemic consoles. It's obvious Sony and msft are making a shitload on the games. Why even bother to come out with a beast of a console? They are still squeezing every last cent from these fat greasy console slobs and their parents :lol

They don't give a fuck.

[DJR210]

this a good card nigs?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487091&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-eDealinfo.com%20Inc.-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=600263&SID=

Spend a lil more for a 970 imo

[hater]

Spend a lil more for a 970 imo

Thanx bro..i thought so. Cheapest I can find one is 300

[baseline bum]

Im neither but I do need my fix of Civ 5. Whats a good video card these days? I need a card that will be able to play Civilization 6 when it comes out....

don't care about other shooter bullshit games IMO


this a good card nigs?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487091&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-eDealinfo.com%20Inc.-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=600263&SID=

A GTX 960 is good if you want to play the new Civilization at 1080p, 60 fps, since a GTX 670 can do 60 fps and a GTX 960 is better (the 960 performs in between the GTX 670 and GTX 770). Who knows when Civ VI will even be out though? No sense to overspend on a card now and maybe it's still not enough for the new game. Or maybe it's still overkill. With GPUs you can't really plan for the future at least buying high end shit, because they still improve a lot every year, unlike CPUs where i7s from 2009 are still good and i5s from 2011 are still great.

http://gamegpu.ru/images/remote/http--www.gamegpu.ru-images-stories-Test_GPU-strategy-Sid_Meiers_Civilization_Beyond_Earth-test-civilizationbe_1920.jpg

[baseline bum]

Spend a lil more for a 970 imo


Thanx bro..i thought so. Cheapest I can find one is 300

A 970 is overkill and a waste of money for someone only looking to play Civilization unless you're playing 1440p or higher.

[baseline bum]

Even if the 960 can't do 60 fps in Civ 6 in late 2016 or early 2017 (I can't imagine it's getting a 2015 release or an early 2016 release with no announcement yet), is Civ the kind of game where you need 60 fps for smooth gameplay? Or is it the kind of game where 45 fps is fine, since it's turn based? 45 fps is terrible in a shooter or playing GTA V, but in a game where you're not making quick movements is it bad? Even in the worst case where a 960 isn't enough in late 2016 or early 2017 for Civ VI, just sell your 960 for $100 on eBay and buy the new $200 GPU then, I'd be shocked if the midrange 60-series Pascal card in late 2016 or early 2017 or the new AMD 80-series card with HBM in late 2016/early 2017 isn't more powerful than a $330 GTX 970.

[Infinite_limit]

Why does the Xbox pop out of gameplay when you press X a couple times during game? It happens constantly. Bar far the biggest issue with the 2 systems.

[hater]

A 970 is overkill and a waste of money for someone only looking to play Civilization unless you're playing 1440p or higher.

I see. Yeah I'm getting too old for games i guess. Thanx bum

[DJR210]

Thanx bro..i thought so. Cheapest I can find one is 300

Get an EVGA if you can, they have great customer service.

[baseline bum]

+1 to DJR210's post, EVGA is great when it comes to customer service while companies like Zotac and Asus are horrible if something fucks up. Plus if you register your card with EVGA within 14 days of purchase you qualify for the Step Up program, which allows you to return your card and only pay the difference between them if you want something better within 90 days. So if you buy a 960 and two months later you decide you should have gone for a 970 or a 980 Ti instead, you can exchange for the difference in price. Not all EVGA cards can be stepped up to though, like you can't step up to their high end Classified cards. Or if you decide the 960 was too much GPU and a waste of money, you can't step down to a GTX 750 Ti and get money back.

[DJR210]

A 970 is overkill and a waste of money for someone only looking to play Civilization unless you're playing 1440p or higher.

If he had the horsepower I'm pretty sure he'd end up getting on board some of the more intensive games.. plus, why spend 200 bucks to limit yourself in the long run.. might as well leave yourself some options in case something great comes out down the line.. plus, all these strategy games take some horsepower to run, wouldn't be a bad investment

[DJR210]

Also, hater (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7609), you sure you have enough power to supply the card?


Why does the Xbox pop out of gameplay when you press X a couple times during game? It happens constantly. Bar far the biggest issue with the 2 systems.

I think it has to do w/ peasantry.. hard to fix

[Infinite_limit]

Also, hater (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7609), you sure you have enough power to supply the card?



I think it has to do w/ peasantry.. hard to fix
Ya my 2 buddies (1 owned previous Xbox consoles) both decided to go Xbox. Both kinda regret it. Might sell/switch this Holiday season.

One guy is a baseball fanatic, when he found out Xbox had no baseball game he nearly went to Toys R Us that night

[baseline bum]

If he had the horsepower I'm pretty sure he'd end up getting on board some of the more intensive games.. plus, why spend 200 bucks to limit yourself in the long run.. might as well leave yourself some options in case something great comes out down the line.. plus, all these strategy games take some horsepower to run, wouldn't be a bad investment

I'm taking hater at his word that he doesn't care about FPS, driving, RPG, and so on, and a decent 970 costs $145 more. That's more than 80% of the 960 price, it's not just a little more. If he's just playing Civ that extra performance from the 970 is useless if even a 670 can run it at 60 fps at 1920x1080. You know how much I hate the 960, I think it should be a $160 card like the similarly performing R9 280 was sold at for so long. But it's like telling your grandmother to buy a Corvette when she'd just use it to drive to church on Sundays. Besides, a lot of strategy games are badly CPU bound, like the Total War series.

[baseline bum]

Ya my 2 buddies (1 owned previous Xbox consoles) both decided to go Xbox. Both kinda regret it. Might sell/switch this Holiday season.

One guy is a baseball fanatic, when he found out Xbox had no baseball game he nearly went to Toys R Us that night

Ubisoft released figures for their sales in 2015, and 27% was for PS4, 23% was PC, and fucking 11% was XBox One, tying it with the XBox 360 and PS3 for 2015 sales. :lol

[ElNono]

the xbox was due, tbh... was one of the few very good products Microsoft had and it was just a matter of time until they took a huge dump on it...

[Strange Love]

:lol at you guys entertaining hater. Guy doesn't have 100 bucks to his name in his shitty mexican shack stealing his vecino's free wifi. :lol

[hater]

Thanx brothas. Pay no attention to the tool above me.

I love games for some reason I can't seem to play action games anymore, my reflexes are shot :lol

Anyway I loved RPGs and strategy games better. Unfortunately don't have the time either. But once in a while I find a few hours and prefer to spend it in Civ or a good RPG. I do love graphics thus why IF I build a PC soon it will have a decent card.

I gave up on consoles tbh. Those asholes are just money grubbing bitches that don't care about technological advances. They are basically the mcdonalds of gaming. I can see the tablet/phone gaming taking their cookies and the dubmfucks are too stupid to do anything about it.

Glad PC gaming is alive and well

[baseline bum]

Thanx brothas. Pay no attention to the tool above me.

I love games for some reason I can't seem to play action games anymore, my reflexes are shot :lol

Anyway I loved RPGs and strategy games better. Unfortunately don't have the time either. But once in a while I find a few hours and prefer to spend it in Civ or a good RPG. I do love graphics thus why IF I build a PC soon it will have a decent card.

I gave up on consoles tbh. Those asholes are just money grubbing bitches that don't care about technological advances. They are basically the mcdonalds of gaming. I can see the tablet/phone gaming taking their cookies and the dubmfucks are too stupid to do anything about it.

Glad PC gaming is alive and well

If you like RPGs then it's worth it to go up to the $300 range, as they're often some of the most graphically intense games out there. Games like Dragon Age Inquisition and Witcher 3 are extremely demanding and the $200 GPUs like the GTX 960 and R9 380 aren't really up to the task of giving you 60 fps gaming at 1080p without turning some settings down significantly. My first recommendation would then be the $330 MSI Gaming R9 390, that thing is a fucking beast. The GTX 970s have gone up in price recently now that Nvidia isn't under the crazy pressure of the $230 R9 290s, and the cheapest good 970 is the EVGA GTX 970 SSC for $330 (don't get the SC, the SSC has way better power delivery), though the best ones are the $340 MSI Gaming and the $350 Gigabyte G1 Gaming. What CPU are you running? You can't get an AMD GPU if you have an i3 or an AMD CPU, as AMD's DirectX11 drivers have bigtime overhead that overwhelms i3s and AMD CPUs. Nvidia's DirectX11 drivers are way leaner and perform a lot better on lower end CPUs even when AMD's hardware is way better (e.g., a fucking GTX 750 Ti can get better framerates with an i3 in some games than a much much more powerful AMD R9 280).

If you're talking about building a system from scratch these two systems are fucking beasts and would be around the best bang for your buck:

System 1: i5 + R9 390
PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/PCr9dC) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/PCr9dC/by_merchant/)

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54590) ($189.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-h97mpro4) ($81.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2kit4g3d1609ds1s0) ($49.49 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex) ($47.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-r9390gaming8g) ($329.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-cas340wb1) ($62.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-hcg620m) ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: NZXT Air Flow Series 83.6 CFM 140mm Fan (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-fan-rffz14002) ($7.99 @ Directron)
Case Fan: NZXT Air Flow Series 83.6 CFM 140mm Fan (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-fan-rffz14002) ($7.99 @ Directron)
Total: $840.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-17 11:21 EDT-0400



System 2: i5 + GTX 970
PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wrmV99) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wrmV99/by_merchant/)

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54590) ($189.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-h97mpro4) ($81.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2kit4g3d1609ds1s0) ($49.49 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex) ($47.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvn970g1gaming4gd) ($353.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-cas340wb1) ($62.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-hcg620m) ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: NZXT Air Flow Series 83.6 CFM 140mm Fan (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-fan-rffz14002) ($7.99 @ Directron)
Case Fan: NZXT Air Flow Series 83.6 CFM 140mm Fan (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-fan-rffz14002) ($7.99 @ Directron)
Total: $864.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-17 11:24 EDT-0400

[hater]

Awesome shit! :wow baseline u the berraquero

Will study this but really go for an i5? Haven't been paying attention but should i7 give me more power?

Oh and I would get min 16gb ram. And definitely need SSD. So if I upgrade those anything else I should upgrade?

[hater]

Oh and I'm liking those box style cases that are somewhat portable. Any recommendations? Of course it would need to be able to house a big GPU

[baseline bum]

Awesome shit! :wow baseline u the berraquero

Will study this but really go for an i5? Haven't been paying attention but should i7 give me more power?

Oh and I would get min 16gb ram. And definitely need SSD. So if I upgrade those anything else I should upgrade?

Right now an i7 is a waste of money for gaming, but DirectX 12 might change that with the ability to send draw calls to the GPU from multiple threads. The i7-4790k is awesome if you have the budget, since even without an overclock the base clock is already 4 GHz and the turbo is 4.2 GHz if all four cores are active. Alternatively, the Xeon E3-1231v3 gives the hyperthreading of an i7 for an i5 level price (about $250), but the base clock is 3.4 GHz and the turbo 3.6 GHz, and you can't overclock it like the i7-4790k. Games don't tend to benefit much from hyperthreading on an i7 or Xeon over an i5 right now, but it could be a decent investment considering how well hyperthreading works on an i3 to make it absolutely slaughter the Pentiums in games even though they're both dual cores. The other day I was playing GTA V and disabling cores and enabling/disabling hyperthreading and simulating an i3 by turning off two cores and leaving HT on, the gameplay was really smooth with my GTX 970. But turning off the HT to simulate a Pentium at the same clocks made GTA V a completely unplayable stuttering mess with constant drops into the 30 fps range and even some in the 20s. So if HT can be a night and day difference between a Pentium and an i3 at the same clock speed with the same architecture, I think it's a reasonable gamble to pay for it for the future if you're willing to spend a little more than an i5.

16GB isn't strictly needed right now, though Dying Light can make use of more than 8 GB and GTA V has a memory leak that is really noticeable if you play the game for more than a couple of hours. And DDR3 RAM is dirt cheap right now, so it's not a bad idea to buy 16 GB.

I wouldn't buy a small case. Bigger cases have better airflow and are much easier to build in. Better airflow means your GPU runs faster and quieter.

Don't buy a mini-ITX case if this is the first time you are building a computer. Another worthy upgrade would be changing the case to a Phanteks Enthoo Pro full tower. As a matter of fact, fuck getting the NZXT S340 I initially recommended, since at $63 with $16 worth of fans you're at $79 and the Enthoo Pro at $100 is a much better value. A case like that used to cost $150 until the Enthoo Pro came out.

cBhmn21ylkc

[baseline bum]

If you're thinking about 1440p or 4k instead of 1080p, also look into the GTX 980 Ti. It's $650 though. redzero just built a system with a GTX 980 Ti that me and DJR210 are jealous as fuck of. :lol

AMD Fury at $550 is another great 1440p/4k card to look at, though it's not out yet (in benchmarks it destroys the $500 GTX 980, which is maginally better than the $330 GTX 970). Fury X at $650 would be a stupid buy though, unless you're dead set on having a small case, as the 980 Ti for $650 is a better card.

[baseline bum]

But for 1080p gaming on a 60 Hz monitor you're looking at some severe diminishing returns on your dollar going above the two systems I recommended, other than upgrading the case to a Phanteks Enthoo Pro. And going with the HT CPU could be a worthy gamble too like I said above, but as of now it's not doing much and maybe DirectX12 doesn't live up to the hype (it wouldn't be a first for Microsoft).

[Cry Havoc]

If you like RPGs then it's worth it to go up to the $300 range, as they're often some of the most graphically intense games out there. Games like Dragon Age Inquisition and Witcher 3 are extremely demanding and the $200 GPUs like the GTX 960 and R9 380 aren't really up to the task of giving you 60 fps gaming at 1080p without turning some settings down significantly. My first recommendation would then be the $330 MSI Gaming R9 390, that thing is a fucking beast. The GTX 970s have gone up in price recently now that Nvidia isn't under the crazy pressure of the $230 R9 290s, and the cheapest good 970 is the EVGA GTX 970 SSC for $330 (don't get the SC, the SSC has way better power delivery), though the best ones are the $340 MSI Gaming and the $350 Gigabyte G1 Gaming. What CPU are you running? You can't get an AMD GPU if you have an i3 or an AMD CPU, as AMD's DirectX11 drivers have bigtime overhead that overwhelms i3s and AMD CPUs. Nvidia's DirectX11 drivers are way leaner and perform a lot better on lower end CPUs even when AMD's hardware is way better (e.g., a fucking GTX 750 Ti can get better framerates with an i3 in some games than a much much more powerful AMD R9 280).

If you're talking about building a system from scratch these two systems are fucking beasts and would be around the best bang for your buck:

System 1: i5 + R9 390
PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/PCr9dC) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/PCr9dC/by_merchant/)

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54590) ($189.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-h97mpro4) ($81.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2kit4g3d1609ds1s0) ($49.49 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex) ($47.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-r9390gaming8g) ($329.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-cas340wb1) ($62.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-hcg620m) ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: NZXT Air Flow Series 83.6 CFM 140mm Fan (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-fan-rffz14002) ($7.99 @ Directron)
Case Fan: NZXT Air Flow Series 83.6 CFM 140mm Fan (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-fan-rffz14002) ($7.99 @ Directron)
Total: $840.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-17 11:21 EDT-0400



System 2: i5 + GTX 970
PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wrmV99) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wrmV99/by_merchant/)

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54590) ($189.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-h97mpro4) ($81.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2kit4g3d1609ds1s0) ($49.49 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex) ($47.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvn970g1gaming4gd) ($353.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-cas340wb1) ($62.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-hcg620m) ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: NZXT Air Flow Series 83.6 CFM 140mm Fan (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-fan-rffz14002) ($7.99 @ Directron)
Case Fan: NZXT Air Flow Series 83.6 CFM 140mm Fan (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-fan-rffz14002) ($7.99 @ Directron)
Total: $864.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-17 11:24 EDT-0400

I'd echo these builds. Great deals for the money. Whatever you do, if you decide to deviate from these to save a few bucks hater, DON'T skimp on the power supply. You could fry your entire board buying a $30 PSU. It's not worth the risk.

I'd also be very careful about the case you buy. Get one that works but also one that allows for easy access and modding. I haven't checked out that NZXT personally but they are a solid case manufacturer.


Also because it does bear mentioning, if you wait around a few weeks a lot of this stuff goes on sale individually. If you're really looking to save you might even wait for black friday/cyber monday deals. I got a GPU for $100 off a couple years ago doing that.

[Cry Havoc]

If you're thinking about 1440p or 4k instead of 1080p, also look into the GTX 980 Ti. It's $650 though. redzero just built a system with a GTX 980 Ti that me and DJR210 are jealous as fuck of. :lol

AMD Fury at $550 is another great 1440p/4k card to look at, though it's not out yet (in benchmarks it destroys the $500 GTX 980, which is maginally better than the $330 GTX 970). Fury X at $650 would be a stupid buy though, unless you're dead set on having a small case, as the 980 Ti for $650 is a better card.

do you still have that dual Titan setup? Or was that someone else?

[baseline bum]

I'd echo these builds. Great deals for the money. Whatever you do, if you decide to deviate from these to save a few bucks hater, DON'T skimp on the power supply. You could fry your entire board buying a $30 PSU. It's not worth the risk.

I'd also be very careful about the case you buy. Get one that works but also one that allows for easy access and modding. I haven't checked out that NZXT personally but they are a solid case manufacturer.

The S340 is pretty roomy for a mid tower, especially with no 5.25" drive bays whatsoever. And the build quality is great other than the window that scratches easily. But getting the 140 mm fans for the front intake drives it up to being an $80 case essentially, and for that price might as well drop $20 extra and get the Phanteks Enthoo Pro, which is about the best full tower you can get until you start getting into the Corsair 900D territory where you're spending $350 or more for a case.

[baseline bum]

do you still have that dual Titan setup? Or was that someone else?

I had Quad Titan Z with my 4960x tbh

[Cry Havoc]

I had Quad Titan Z with my 4960x tbh

https://i.imgur.com/PNYRZ.gif

[baseline bum]

https://i.imgur.com/PNYRZ.gif

RT I'd never build an SLI system, Nvidia's SLI scaling sucks lately. Crossfire has way better scaling right now.

[ElNono]

If you like RPGs then it's worth it to go up to the $300 range, as they're often some of the most graphically intense games out there. Games like Dragon Age Inquisition and Witcher 3 are extremely demanding and the $200 GPUs like the GTX 960 and R9 380 aren't really up to the task of giving you 60 fps gaming at 1080p without turning some settings down significantly. My first recommendation would then be the $330 MSI Gaming R9 390, that thing is a fucking beast. The GTX 970s have gone up in price recently now that Nvidia isn't under the crazy pressure of the $230 R9 290s, and the cheapest good 970 is the EVGA GTX 970 SSC for $330 (don't get the SC, the SSC has way better power delivery), though the best ones are the $340 MSI Gaming and the $350 Gigabyte G1 Gaming. What CPU are you running? You can't get an AMD GPU if you have an i3 or an AMD CPU, as AMD's DirectX11 drivers have bigtime overhead that overwhelms i3s and AMD CPUs. Nvidia's DirectX11 drivers are way leaner and perform a lot better on lower end CPUs even when AMD's hardware is way better (e.g., a fucking GTX 750 Ti can get better framerates with an i3 in some games than a much much more powerful AMD R9 280).

If you're talking about building a system from scratch these two systems are fucking beasts and would be around the best bang for your buck:

System 1: i5 + R9 390
PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/PCr9dC) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/PCr9dC/by_merchant/)

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54590) ($189.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-h97mpro4) ($81.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2kit4g3d1609ds1s0) ($49.49 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex) ($47.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-r9390gaming8g) ($329.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-cas340wb1) ($62.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-hcg620m) ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: NZXT Air Flow Series 83.6 CFM 140mm Fan (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-fan-rffz14002) ($7.99 @ Directron)
Case Fan: NZXT Air Flow Series 83.6 CFM 140mm Fan (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-fan-rffz14002) ($7.99 @ Directron)
Total: $840.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-17 11:21 EDT-0400



System 2: i5 + GTX 970
PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wrmV99) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wrmV99/by_merchant/)

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54590) ($189.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-h97mpro4) ($81.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2kit4g3d1609ds1s0) ($49.49 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex) ($47.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvn970g1gaming4gd) ($353.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-cas340wb1) ($62.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-hcg620m) ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: NZXT Air Flow Series 83.6 CFM 140mm Fan (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-fan-rffz14002) ($7.99 @ Directron)
Case Fan: NZXT Air Flow Series 83.6 CFM 140mm Fan (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-fan-rffz14002) ($7.99 @ Directron)
Total: $864.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-17 11:24 EDT-0400

These are solid builds, you might actually not need the extra case fans, but for $16, it won't hurt.

The only thing I would change is the hard drive for an internal 500GB SSD (Samsung 850 EVO is going for $164 on Amazon right now). Then add a x TB HD or an external USB harddrive both for backup and large data libraries (music, videos, etc).

[Cry Havoc]

RT I'd never build an SLI system, Nvidia's SLI scaling sucks lately. Crossfire has way better scaling right now.

TBH, I think a single card is the way to go right now unless you HAVE to game at 4k. xfire and SLI are just not stable enough. I have xfire but I do get occasional frame rate weirdness, even playing league of legends.

Be interesting to see how my dual 6950s stack up against the monster 290x that's on it's way.

[baseline bum]

TBH, I think a single card is the way to go right now unless you HAVE to game at 4k. xfire and SLI are just not stable enough. I have xfire but I do get occasional frame rate weirdness, even playing league of legends.

Be interesting to see how my dual 6950s stack up against the monster 290x that's on it's way.

I'm pretty sure a single 290x will destory crossfire 6950 even if you were getting 100% scaling. Look how bad it wrecks a 6970:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1061?vs=1059

[Cry Havoc]

I'm pretty sure a single 290x will destory crossfire 6950 even if you were getting 100% scaling. Look how bad it wrecks a 6970:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1061?vs=1059

Oh, I'm aware. I wouldn't have dropped the cash if I had thought there wasn't going to be a huge jump. I'm just excited to see how much of a gulf there is between the two.

[hater]

good shit.

now you got me hooked on this shit. What about this???

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54690k) ($199.99 @ Micro Center)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z97mpro4) ($90.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2kit8g3d1609ds1s00) ($94.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam) ($97.95 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex) ($47.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvn970ixoc4gd) ($298.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair Air 240 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-cc9011069ww) ($77.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-hcg620m) ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $970.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-17 18:20 EDT-0400

[baseline bum]

These are solid builds, you might actually not need the extra case fans, but for $16, it won't hurt.

The only thing I would change is the hard drive for an internal 500GB SSD (Samsung 850 EVO is going for $164 on Amazon right now). Then add a x TB HD or an external USB harddrive both for backup and large data libraries (music, videos, etc).

The S340 doesn't come with any front case fans. Just a back and a top exhaust. I wouldn't remove either in a system with the power supply bottom mounted.

[baseline bum]

good shit.

now you got me hooked on this shit. What about this???

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54690k) ($199.99 @ Micro Center)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z97mpro4) ($90.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2kit8g3d1609ds1s00) ($94.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam) ($97.95 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex) ($47.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvn970ixoc4gd) ($298.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair Air 240 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-cc9011069ww) ($77.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-hcg620m) ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $970.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-17 18:20 EDT-0400

Don't get that 970, it's loud and it's hot, and overclocks like crap. If you want to use that case, get this 970, which usually overclocks really well and should fit pretty easily:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127832

If you're overclocking your CPU the bundled stock cooler has to be replaced. Most of the time I'd recommend a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO cooler, but that case doesn't have the clearance for it. I'm not a big fan of 120mm closed loop liquid coolers, but those would be your best bets to cool it, like this video shows. A 240mm rad might get in the way of your GPU and you don't want to go to the shorter 970s since the GPU is by far the most important part of a gaming PC.

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That case doesn't look like it would actually be too bad to build in for something so small.

EDIT: I forgot to mention those Microcenter CPU prices are store only. I don't know where you're at, but the only two in Texas are in Dallas and Houston. All San Antonio has is shitty overpriced Altex. :lol

If you do have a Microcenter nearby they often offer $40 off on combo deals with CPU+board.

[baseline bum]

Also don't get that AsRock board. Board doesn't matter a whole lot for locked CPUs, but for overclocking an i5 or i7 get something nicer. I have heard bad things about the AsRock Z97m. For an overclocking board I'd stick to Gigabyte or Asus. It's too bad Abit went under because they were the best overclocking boards years ago.

[ElNono]

The S340 doesn't come with any front case fans. Just a back and a top exhaust. I wouldn't remove either in a system with the power supply bottom mounted.

I never put front fans, never had temp problems, tbh... then again, I don't overclock...

[ElNono]

good shit.

now you got me hooked on this shit. What about this???

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54690k) ($199.99 @ Micro Center)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z97mpro4) ($90.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2kit8g3d1609ds1s00) ($94.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam) ($97.95 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex) ($47.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvn970ixoc4gd) ($298.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair Air 240 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-cc9011069ww) ($77.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-hcg620m) ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $970.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-17 18:20 EDT-0400

I dig that case :tu

[baseline bum]

I never put front fans, never had temp problems, tbh... then again, I don't overclock...

You don't live in Texas bro.

[baseline bum]

I dig that case :tu

It looks much better designed than the Air 540, the full ATX equivalent.

[ElNono]

You don't live in Texas bro.

:lol true. We're scheduled to have our first 100+ degrees day of the year tomorrow.

[baseline bum]

gAa5hmEXyxw

I wish the fucking Corsair Air 540 had better options for mounting 3.5" drives. I need a case that can handle a lot because I have a ton of shit stored in my system. Lots of Spurs games, rentals from nosteam, Michelle Wild's entire body of work, and one drive for Linux. With all that empty space there should be tons of room for 3.5" mechanical drives, but they only have two mechanical mounts in front and then four SSD mounts? Who the fuck uses four SSDs?

[ElNono]

gAa5hmEXyxw

I wish the fucking Corsair Air 540 had better options for mounting 3.5" drives. I need a case that can handle a lot because I have a ton of shit stored in my system. Lots of Spurs games, rentals from nosteam, Michelle Wild's entire body of work, and one drive for Linux. With all that empty space there should be tons of room for 3.5" mechanical drives, but they only have two mechanical mounts in front and then four SSD mounts? Who the fuck uses four SSDs?

You should really look into a NAS for storage if you have a ton of shit. Something like this:

http://www.amazon.com/Synology-DiskStation-Diskless-Attached-DS214se/dp/B00FWURI8K?

With a couple of 4TB drives and then you can decouple big storage and protection from your box, IMO

[baseline bum]

You should really look into a NAS for storage if you have a ton of shit. Something like this:

http://www.amazon.com/Synology-DiskStation-Diskless-Attached-DS214se/dp/B00FWURI8K?

With a couple of 4TB drives and then you can decouple big storage and protection from your box, IMO

Not a bad idea. I have an extra board and CPU, I'd need a case and some RAM. You have any suggestions for free media server software I could use with say a Roku or Chromecast?

Is PLEX pretty much the best there is?

[ElNono]

Not a bad idea. I have an extra board and CPU, I'd need a case and some RAM. You have any suggestions for free media server software I could use with say a Roku or Chromecast?

Is PLEX pretty much the best there is?

Since you've already dabbled in Unix, FreeNAS is probably the way to go:

http://www.freenas.org/

Fully open source, built atop FreeBSD and ZFS... from what I've read it's fully featured. It includes a Plex Media server plugin, so you should be all set for streaming.

[baseline bum]

Since you've already dabbled in Unix, FreeNAS is probably the way to go:

http://www.freenas.org/

Fully open source, built atop FreeBSD and ZFS... from what I've read it's fully featured. It includes a Plex Media server plugin, so you should be all set for streaming.

Thanks, I'll check it out. I wonder if I can just run it from a command line since I'd be running it headless, so no reason to bother loading into X11.

[ElNono]

Thanks, I'll check it out. I wonder if I can just run it from a command line since I'd be running it headless, so no reason to bother loading into X11.

That's a web interface... it's designed to run headless and you can connect and configure it from anywhere.

[ElNono]

If you wanna toy with it for a bit, install it on a Virtualbox instance...

[ElNono]

If you don't even want to put a VGA card on it, you can enable the serial console and that should allow it to boot. Instructions here:
https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?threads/headless-install-no-kb-no-mon-only-serial-how.7487/

[baseline bum]

If you don't even want to put a VGA card on it, you can enable the serial console and that should allow it to boot. Instructions here:
https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?threads/headless-install-no-kb-no-mon-only-serial-how.7487/

Thanks man, that sounds like a great idea to run a PLEX server off FreeNAS and pull my storage away from heat produced by my GPU and CPU in my gaming system. 4 Western Digital Reds in RAID-5 sounds like a good way to go.

[ElNono]

Thanks man, that sounds like a great idea to run a PLEX server off FreeNAS and pull my storage away from heat produced by my GPU and CPU in my gaming system. 4 Western Digital Reds in RAID-5 sounds like a good way to go.

You don't want to do Raid 5 with less than 5 drives, unless your data is not that important. FreeNAS will give you different options based on how much reliability, performance and storage you want to use, but basically the options are:

Raid 10: Mirror and Stripped, good reliability, good performance, least amount of storage
Raid Z2: Basically a Raid 6. You can still lose up to two drives at the same time and your data will be ok. You gain some extra space vs Raid 10, but you lose a bit of performance.
Raid Z1: Basically a Raid 5. You lose more than one drive at the same time and you're toast. On the flipside, you get a bit more storage than Z2, and better performance.
Raid 0: Just stripped, no redundancy.

Raid Z2 is probably a good balance. Plus storage is generally cheap and you can always add more drives to the array.

EDIT: Forgot to add that the performance penalty on Z1/Z2 is mostly on write. Reading should be about the same, but slower than stripped options, obviously.

[baseline bum]

You don't want to do Raid 5 with less than 5 drives, unless your data is not that important. FreeNAS will give you different options based on how much reliability, performance and storage you want to use, but basically the options are:

Raid 10: Mirror and Stripped, good reliability, good performance, least amount of storage
Raid Z2: Basically a Raid 6. You can still lose up to two drives at the same time and your data will be ok. You gain some extra space vs Raid 10, but you lose a bit of performance.
Raid Z1: Basically a Raid 5. You lose more than one drive at the same time and you're toast. On the flipside, you get a bit more storage than Z2, and better performance.
Raid 0: Just stripped, no redundancy.

Raid Z2 is probably a good balance. Plus storage is generally cheap and you can always add more drives to the array.

EDIT: Forgot to add that the performance penalty on Z1/Z2 is mostly on write. Reading should be about the same, but slower than stripped options, obviously.

You consider RAID-5 dangerous with 4 drives? I figure if more than one dies at once it's probably something catastrophic that kills the whole system.

[ElNono]

You consider RAID-5 dangerous with 4 drives? I figure if more than one dies at once it's probably something catastrophic that kills the whole system.

That's the wrong question :lol

The real question is how much you value that data and only you can answer that question.

But, more succinctly, the typical mistake with Raid 5s is:
- Disk goes bad
- "Oh, let me shop for a new disk"
- Week goes by
- Finally order disk, another 3-5 days to arrive
- 2nd drive goes bad in the interim

This happens more often than you think.

The solution: have a spare. If the system allows you to configure a "hot spare", even better, the Raid will failover to the spare automatically and a sudden 2nd drive failure won't likely hurt you (unless it happens during rebuild).
I think FreeNAS let's you configure spares, but it doesn't do "hot spare". So basically when a drive fails, you just go ahead and manually replace the bad with the spare from the GUI.

Basically, the critical part is to minimize the time the array is degraded. This is especially crucial in Raid 5 setups, whereas it's more forgiving on Raid 6.

[baseline bum]

That's the wrong question :lol

The real question is how much you value that data and only you can answer that question.

But, more succinctly, the typical mistake with Raid 5s is:
- Disk goes bad
- "Oh, let me shop for a new disk"
- Week goes by
- Finally order disk, another 3-5 days to arrive
- 2nd drive goes bad in the interim

This happens more often than you think.

The solution: have a spare. If the system allows you to configure a "hot spare", even better, the Raid will failover to the spare automatically and a sudden 2nd drive failure won't likely hurt you (unless it happens during rebuild).
I think FreeNAS let's you configure spares, but it doesn't do "hot spare". So basically when a drive fails, you just go ahead and manually replace the bad with the spare from the GUI.

Basically, the critical part is to minimize the time the array is degraded. This is especially crucial in Raid 5 setups, whereas it's more forgiving on Raid 6.

If I'm running that kind of array I'm replacing as soon as the SMART data looks bad on one. Still, maybe I'll just buy bigger drives and do 2 in RAID-1 and as I add a couple more later on I can change it to RAID-10.

[ElNono]

If I'm running that kind of array I'm replacing as soon as the SMART data looks bad on one. Still, maybe I'll just buy bigger drives and do 2 in RAID-1 and as I add a couple more later on I can change it to RAID-10.

That's what we did for our backup system at the office. Drives are cheap as fuck. Even external units are as cheap or cheaper than internal, especially for the newer 5TB drives. They're slower drives, but for storage it's ideal.

You just want to make sure you have a virtual volume system like ZFS does, where you can add more drives if you want and it just takes care of expanding storage for you.

[hater]

I dig that case :tu

:tu

reminds me of the old Sun Ultra Sparc servers which I used to loved... :cry

http://www.tech.proact.co.uk/i/sun_enterprise_450.jpg

[baseline bum]

That's what we did for our backup system at the office. Drives are cheap as fuck. Even external units are as cheap or cheaper than internal, especially for the newer 5TB drives. They're slower drives, but for storage it's ideal.

You just want to make sure you have a virtual volume system like ZFS does, where you can add more drives if you want and it just takes care of expanding storage for you.

Externals can be a pain in the ass to take out of their enclosures though. A few years ago I had a Seagate external where the flimsy USB port broke, and the case wasn't designed to ever be opened again, so I had to take a saw to that bitch to pull the drive out so I could recover my data. :lol

[hater]

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I wish the fucking Corsair Air 540 had better options for mounting 3.5" drives. I need a case that can handle a lot because I have a ton of shit stored in my system. Lots of Spurs games, rentals from nosteam, Michelle Wild's entire body of work, and one drive for Linux. With all that empty space there should be tons of room for 3.5" mechanical drives, but they only have two mechanical mounts in front and then four SSD mounts? Who the fuck uses four SSDs?

oh crap the 240 doesn't have 5 inch bays? I am an old fart used to having CD/Blue Rays. damn Im old and pathetic :lol

[baseline bum]

oh crap the 240 doesn't have 5 inch bays? I am an old fart used to having CD/Blue Rays. damn Im old and pathetic :lol

I think the only time I use my DVD drive is to burn CDs to listen to in the car. Damn, now I sound old as fuck listening to CDs in the car. :lol

[hater]

I think the only time I use my DVD drive is to burn CDs to listen to in the car. Damn, now I sound old as fuck listening to CDs in the car. :lol

:lol

[baseline bum]

Damn this looks like a fucking sweet case for a PLEX server.

uTU4sN40_Xk

[The Reckoning]

mother fucking hdmi port straight up broke off the motherboard of my ps4

[ElNono]

Damn this looks like a fucking sweet case for a PLEX server.

uTU4sN40_Xk

I remember looking at it when I was building our backup server... it was out of stock then... ended up getting a Thermaltake Core V21, since it has easy access to the drive bays on the side.

[hater]

k I think I settled with this. :tu

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54690k) ($199.99 @ Micro Center)
Motherboard: Asus GRYPHON Z87 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-gryphonz87) ($77.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport XT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2k8g3d169ds3) ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam) ($97.95 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-video-card-strixgtx970dc2oc4gd5) ($319.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair Air 240 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-cc9011069ww) ($77.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-hcg620m) ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $930.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-18 20:59 EDT-0400

[baseline bum]

k I think I settled with this. :tu

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54690k) ($199.99 @ Micro Center)
Motherboard: Asus GRYPHON Z87 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-gryphonz87) ($77.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport XT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2k8g3d169ds3) ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam) ($97.95 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-video-card-strixgtx970dc2oc4gd5) ($319.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair Air 240 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-cc9011069ww) ($77.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-hcg620m) ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $930.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-18 20:59 EDT-0400

This sucks how much the GTX 970 has gone up with the cheap R9 290s out of the picture now. You used to be able to get the EVGA SSC and MSI Gaming for $330 straight up, no rebates. You could even get the G1 Gaming for that price for a while. Now the MSI Gaming is $340 after a $20 rebate, EVGA SSC is $330 after a $20 rebate, and so on. I regret not spending the extra $20 for a Gigabyte G1 Gaming when I got my 970, as I got the EVGA SC ACX (not the SSC), which doesn't have the power delivery to get the overclocks to 1500+ MHz. Mine's only stable around 1400MHz. It's still a beast, but in retrospect I would have paid the 6% more for 7% higher performance. Some people can get the Strix to 1500 MHz but I have heard a lot of complaints about its power delivery.

Also, the i5-4690k is a Devil's Canyon process, which isn't supported by Z87 out the box. Z87 supports the i5-4430, i5-4440, i5-4570, i5-4670, and i5-4670k out the box, but not the i5-4460, i5-4590, i5-4690, or i5-4690k. A Z87 board will run Devil's Canyon every bit as well as a Z97 board if it has a new enough BIOS on it though. So you might need to flash the BIOS with a USB drive to update it to something new enough. The good news is the Z87 Gryphon supports this, and that board is a fucking steal at $78 after rebate.

http://www.asus.com/microsite/2014/MB/New_4th_gen_Intel_processor_compatibility/#models

Don't buy an i5-4670k though just to get compatibility without a BIOS update with the Gryphon Z87, the original Haswell chips often have a gap between the thermal paste on the core and the heat spreader above it, which makes temperatures horrible and can greatly limit overclocks to the point lots of people started removing the heat spreader (aka delidding). The i5-4690k and i7-4790k fix this problem though and are much better CPUs than the i5-4670k and i7-4770k they replaced.

[hater]

awesome

thanks

[baseline bum]

awesome

thanks

oops, I mean to write flash it with a USB stick

[DJR210]

k I think I settled with this. :tu

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54690k) ($199.99 @ Micro Center)
Motherboard: Asus GRYPHON Z87 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-gryphonz87) ($77.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport XT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2k8g3d169ds3) ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam) ($97.95 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-video-card-strixgtx970dc2oc4gd5) ($319.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair Air 240 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-cc9011069ww) ($77.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-hcg620m) ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $930.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-18 20:59 EDT-0400

Switch that GPU to an EVGA model and that build is straight :tu

[baseline bum]

Switch that GPU to an EVGA model and that build is straight :tu

If San Antonio can get In N Out and Krispy Kreme why the fuck can't they get Microcenter?

[DJR210]

If San Antonio can get In N Out and Krispy Kreme why the fuck can't they get Microcenter?

I'll take dispensaries before Microcenter

[resistanze]

k I think I settled with this. :tu

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54690k) ($199.99 @ Micro Center)
Motherboard: Asus GRYPHON Z87 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-gryphonz87) ($77.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport XT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2k8g3d169ds3) ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam) ($97.95 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-video-card-strixgtx970dc2oc4gd5) ($319.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair Air 240 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-cc9011069ww) ($77.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-hcg620m) ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $930.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-18 20:59 EDT-0400

Just finished building my rig yesterday, very similar.

Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
Cooler Master Hyper TX3 - CPU Cooler
Corsair Obsidian 250D Mini ITX Case
Gigabyte LGA 1150 Intel Z97N Wi-Fi-Bluetooth HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX
Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 1600 MHz (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory
Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
WD Blue 1TB Desktop 3.5 Inch SATA 6Gb/s 7200rpm Internal Hard Drive
Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card
EVGA 500 W1 80+, 500W

First time with a SSD :lol Jesus what a difference. Editing with Lightroom/Photoshop is such a joy.

[baseline bum]

Just finished building my rig yesterday, very similar.

Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
Cooler Master Hyper TX3 - CPU Cooler
Corsair Obsidian 250D Mini ITX Case
Gigabyte LGA 1150 Intel Z97N Wi-Fi-Bluetooth HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX
Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 1600 MHz (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory
Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
WD Blue 1TB Desktop 3.5 Inch SATA 6Gb/s 7200rpm Internal Hard Drive
Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card
EVGA 500 W1 80+, 500W

First time with a SSD :lol Jesus what a difference. Editing with Lightroom/Photoshop is such a joy.

Post your Firestrike nigga

[baseline bum]

That's what we did for our backup system at the office. Drives are cheap as fuck. Even external units are as cheap or cheaper than internal, especially for the newer 5TB drives. They're slower drives, but for storage it's ideal.

You just want to make sure you have a virtual volume system like ZFS does, where you can add more drives if you want and it just takes care of expanding storage for you.

When you say ZFS takes care of expanding storage when I add new drives, do you mean it would be possible to initially set it up with one 4GB drive, and then a little later I could add a second 4GB drive and it would be able to build a RAID-1 array without losing the data? Then add two more later on to make a RAID-10 array? I don't feel like buying $650 worth of hard drives today tbh. :lol

[ElNono]

When you say ZFS takes care of expanding storage when I add new drives, do you mean it would be possible to initially set it up with one 4GB drive, and then a little later I could add a second 4GB drive and it would be able to build a RAID-1 array without losing the data? Then add two more later on to make a RAID-10 array? I don't feel like buying $650 worth of hard drives today tbh. :lol

What ZFS does is it provides a virtual filesystem. It allows you to attach new volumes and they automatically expand the pool (storage). Unfortunately, I don't think it allows to do what you're mentioning.

I think what does allow you to do that is straight Linux RAID, but you would have to look that up. On our backup box we run Centos 6, using Linux RAID to create the RAID 1 (2 drives, shows up as 1 volume), then OpenZFS on top as the filesystem. If we want to expand storage we can just get another two drives, build a new RAID 1 volume, and add it to ZFS, which automatically expands our storage.

[baseline bum]

What ZFS does is it provides a virtual filesystem. It allows you to attach new volumes and they automatically expand the pool (storage). Unfortunately, I don't think it allows to do what you're mentioning.

I think what does allow you to do that is straight Linux RAID, but you would have to look that up. On our backup box we run Centos 6, using Linux RAID to create the RAID 1 (2 drives, shows up as 1 volume), then OpenZFS on top as the filesystem. If we want to expand storage we can just get another two drives, build a new RAID 1 volume, and add it to ZFS, which automatically expands our storage.

Thanks man.

[hater]

Just finished building my rig yesterday, very similar.

Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
Cooler Master Hyper TX3 - CPU Cooler
Corsair Obsidian 250D Mini ITX Case
Gigabyte LGA 1150 Intel Z97N Wi-Fi-Bluetooth HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX
Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 1600 MHz (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory
Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
WD Blue 1TB Desktop 3.5 Inch SATA 6Gb/s 7200rpm Internal Hard Drive
Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card
EVGA 500 W1 80+, 500W

First time with a SSD :lol Jesus what a difference. Editing with Lightroom/Photoshop is such a joy.

congrats! just finished mine:
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54690k) ($199.99 @ Micro Center)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaz97mxgaming5) ($113.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport XT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2k8g3d169ds3) ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam) ($89.99)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX 2.0 Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-04gp42978kr) ($324.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair Air 240 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-cc9011069ww) ($77.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx600m) ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $961.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-20 21:56 EDT-0400


Same here with the SSD :wow 5 second boot time :wow

[hater]

so what is the best game to test this shit with??

witcher 3????

played witcher 1 and 2 and loved em

[baseline bum]

so what is the best game to test this shit with??

witcher 3????

played witcher 1 and 2 and loved em

Witcher 3 will push the ever living hell out of your system. It's one of the few games out there that a GTX 970 can't do 1080p ultra if you want 60 fps. But high looks great on it. Dragon Age Inquisition is pretty impressive graphically. I fucking love Dying Light, but it's first person so you might not dig it since you said you're not into shooters. GTA V is amazing on a GTX 970.

Dude, what's your Firestrike score and how high can you overclock the GPU?

[baseline bum]

I still think one of the baddest things about PC gaming is you can play all the old shit too. I was jut playing God of War II on PCSX2, that game seems like it has aged pretty well when lots of PS2 game didn't. Okami is pretty badass too.