Is there a Bible/ New Testament expert in the house?

[Blake]

So says Judaism or the Old Testament.
What about the New Testament?

In the NT, he doesn't kill you. He fries you forever.

Not sure why nothingness isn't an option for God

[RD2191]

In the NT, he doesn't kill you. He fries you forever.

Not sure why nothingness isn't an option for God
No he doesn't. Where are you getting this from?

[Blake]

No he doesn't. Where are you getting this from?

The New Testament.

You're not bright.

[RD2191]

The New Testament.

You're not bright.
And you're sure about this? Because I've done my research. Do you wanna get owned?

[Clipper Nation]

And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
- Revelation 16:8

And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
- Revelation 16:9

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
- Revelation 20:9

[Blake]

And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
- Revelation 16:8

And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
- Revelation 16:9

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
- Revelation 20:9

watch out, the owning is coming

[xmas1997]

And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
- Revelation 16:8

And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
- Revelation 16:9

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
- Revelation 20:9

Revelations is an apocalyptic form of writing.
Look up the meaning in the dictionary.

[mouse]

Someone in this topic got the Smack bat.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/bored/UNIBROW-SHREK.jpg

[xmas1997]

It was too easy.

[Skull-1]

The New Testament.

You're not bright.
Bad translation. Learn to research, jerkoff.

[Skull-1]

And you're sure about this? Because I've done my research. Do you wanna get owned?
He is only sure within the confines of his tiny mind. When he gets owned he conveniently forgets it and starts the argument anew. The cycle continues until someone finally washes their hands of it.


He has no concept of the metaphor regarding the lake of fire, who is involved, or their place in relation to it.... He is a fool.


The bad trees get burned, but it is not eternal torment. And fire makes things pure. But he missed that, too, with his bs Christian tradition that he doesn't believe...unless it is to mock....then he believes it. Lmfao. Total douche.

[Blake]

Bad translation. Learn to research, jerkoff.

Then God sucks at communication.......which contradicts perfection.

[xmas1997]

Then God sucks at communication.......which contradicts perfection.

No sir, man sucks at communication. Man is imperfect, you and I are imperfect. If indeed God exists, then most of us who believe that, also believe He is perfect.
The only thing imperfect is your conception of Him and your interpretation of what has been said of Him.
Can a tiny ant conceive anything valid of a human?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No sir, man sucks at communication. Man is imperfect, you and I are imperfect. If indeed God exists, then most of us who believe that, also believe He is perfect.
The only thing imperfect is your conception of Him and your interpretation of what has been said of Him.
Can a tiny ant conceive anything valid of a human?

I have to love Christian copouts. Who is man supposedly made in the image of? So imperfect came from perfect intentionally now.

'Perfect' is just stupid circular reasoning when it comes to Christianity. god is perfect. Why? Because everything from god is perfect but its not. Oh wait, it's because we like to play stupid semantic games.

Your god is supposed to be omnipotent and infinite. That is obviously false.

[DMC]

No sir, man sucks at communication. Man is imperfect, you and I are imperfect. If indeed God exists, then most of us who believe that, also believe He is perfect.
The only thing imperfect is your conception of Him and your interpretation of what has been said of Him.
Can a tiny ant conceive anything valid of a human?

I need to ask you again: How do you know a single word of the Bible is "God's word"? You didn't hear it yourself, so you're taking someone's word for it, the same someone who you just stated is imperfect. So a perfect God relies on an imperfect vessel to deliver his message, and you being imperfect, have to decide which parts of the message are true and which are fabricated.

[xmas1997]

I have to love Christian copouts. Who is man supposedly made in the image of? So imperfect came from perfect intentionally now.

'Perfect' is just stupid circular reasoning when it comes to Christianity. god is perfect. Why? Because everything from god is perfect but its not. Oh wait, it's because we like to play stupid semantic games.

Your god is supposed to be omnipotent and infinite. That is obviously false.

So is your premiss that man is perfect, or what?
How do you know beyond a shadow of any doubt that it is false, that God is not omnipotent, omnipresent, infinite, and infallible?
I happen to believe that everything from God IS perfect. And I never said it was not. I said that man is imperfect, not God. And that man, being in the image of God, and having a free will, also creates.
But man being imperfect, creates imperfectly.
Is this so hard to understand?
I also said this was MY, not YOUR, opinion and based on MY experiences, studies, and conscience, and based on YOURS.
And that I do not expect you or anyone else to believe as I do.
What is so hard about that for you to grasp?
Or do you just want to get into pissing contests?
I won't go there with you, sorry. :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So is your premiss that man is perfect, or what?
How do you know beyond a shadow of any doubt that it is false, that God is not omnipotent, omnipresent, infinite, and infallible?
I happen to believe that everything from God IS perfect. And I never said it was not. I said that man is imperfect, not God. And that man, being in the image of God, and having a free will, also creates.
But man being imperfect, creates imperfectly.
Is this so hard to understand?
I also said this was MY, not YOUR, opinion and based on MY experiences, studies, and conscience, and based on YOURS.
And that I do not expect you or anyone else to believe as I do.
What is so hard about that for you to grasp?
Or do you just want to get into pissing contests?
I won't go there with you, sorry. :lol

You don't even know what perfect is. It's just a word you throw out and then call yourself 'imperfect.' You are comparing yourself to something which you will admit you do not understand in your god. You are glorifying something so as to denigrate yourself.

It's not that God is perfect that is meaningful because you can only attribute a need for unquestioning obedience as an outcome. According to your world, perfect is not a necessary outcome of gods actions because you think he made us and we are not perfect. No, instead what is important is that you are imperfect. You are supposed to fixate on what you have done wrong and in some way atone for it. There is a reason your religion has been called a slave religion.

It's convenient that his disciples said that he died so you really don't have to 'do' anything but I imagine selling a lot of this horseshit to the hegemony was not easy.

I don't know anything for certain, btw. I just default to not believing without reason to believe. You know that as skepticism.

And lastly, if you don't want your beliefs questioned then I would advise you not to post. If I see a copout then I am going to comment on it. It has nothing to do with machismo 'contests.' I see typical logically inconsistent semantic nonsense and I comment on it. The notions of truth and knowledge are central to my philosophy and I am not afraid of having my beliefs examined. I invite it.

[silverblk mystix]

I need to ask you again: How do you know a single word of the Bible is "God's word"? You didn't hear it yourself, so you're taking someone's word for it, the same someone who you just stated is imperfect. So a perfect God relies on an imperfect vessel to deliver his message, and you being imperfect, have to decide which parts of the message are true and which are fabricated.


I agree that you have made a point. I agree that there is no proof. On either side.
None of us heard anything directly from whomever or whatever this - word "god" is. None of us can prove that this word "god" did NOT have anything to do with this book either. You have some inconsistencies in the book - but this does not prove anything either except that there are inconsistencies. It also points to the fact that humans did not and do not understand many parts of it - yet. Maybe they never will. What difference does it make?

None. It isn't about a book. Life/reality/love/god whatever you want to label it - is so much more than some book.



Cue the "burden of proof blah blah insult insult logic blah insult"

[DMC]

I agree that you have made a point. I agree that there is no proof. On either side.
None of us heard anything directly from whomever or whatever this - word "god" is. None of us can prove that this word "god" did NOT have anything to do with this book either. You have some inconsistencies in the book - but this does not prove anything either except that there are inconsistencies. It also points to the fact that humans did not and do not understand many parts of it - yet. Maybe they never will. What difference does it make?

None. It isn't about a book. Life/reality/love/god whatever you want to label it - is so much more than some book.



Cue the "burden of proof blah blah insult insult logic blah insult"

The book was written by humans. You insinuate it was put here by aliens.

I think I hear some assholes calling for you... get to fingering.

[silverblk mystix]

The book was written by humans. You insinuate it was put here by aliens.

I think I hear some assholes calling for you... get to fingering.

You are still falling back on insults since you feel insecure debating on truth.

Understood.

[Skull-1]

Then God sucks at communication.......which contradicts perfection.The scriptures are veiled. The scribes were prophesied to lie. People will teach error and mislead many. It is all in there, idiot.

[Skull-1]

I have to love Christian copouts. Who is man supposedly made in the image of? So imperfect came from perfect intentionally now.

'Perfect' is just stupid circular reasoning when it comes to Christianity. god is perfect. Why? Because everything from god is perfect but its not. Oh wait, it's because we like to play stupid semantic games.

Your god is supposed to be omnipotent and infinite. That is obviously false.Man is not made in the image of God, retard. It is a parable.

As if God was so stupid he forgot to make a woman, didn't know where Adam was hiding, etc.

Grow a brain.

[DMC]

The scriptures are veiled. The scribes were prophesied to lie. People will teach error and mislead many. It is all in there, idiot.

lol

[DMC]

Man is not made in the image of God, retard. It is a parable.

As if God was so stupid he forgot to make a woman, didn't know where Adam was hiding, etc.

Grow a brain.

Was the virgin birth of Jesus also a parable? Were the miracles parables? Is God a parable?

[Skull-1]

lol
You can laugh all you want. I have posted many of the applicable passages. Error in Christian doctrine was foretold and is why only a few find truth. You don't have to believe the book but if you are gonna discuss it then you have to acknowledge that it does in fact say that.

[DMC]

You can laugh all you want. I have posted many of the applicable passages. Error in Christian doctrine was foretold and is why only a few find truth. You don't have to believe the book but if you are gonna discuss it then you have to acknowledge that it does in fact say that.

No it doesn't.

[Skull-1]

Was the virgin birth of Jesus also a parable? Were the miracles parables? Is God a parable?


Does it matter?


People perform miracles to this day. Hell, people spontaneously awaken from comas or regain sight for no reason whatsoever. But, the miracle thing is veiled. If I am to perform a greater miracle than making a blind man see......what do you think that means? What is more miraculous than giving sight to a blind man?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Man is not made in the image of God, retard. It is a parable.

As if God was so stupid he forgot to make a woman, didn't know where Adam was hiding, etc.

Grow a brain.

:lol smh

[Skull-1]

No it doesn't.
Yes, it does. Jeremiah, Titus, Timothy, etc.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Does it matter?


People perform miracles to this day. Hell, people spontaneously awaken from comas or regain sight for no reason whatsoever. But, the miracle thing is veiled. If I am to perform a greater miracle than making a blind man see......what do you think that means? What is more miraculous than giving sight to a blind man?

http://i.stack.imgur.com/jiFfM.jpg

:lol giving
:lol does it matter

[Blake]

The scriptures are veiled. The scribes were prophesied to lie. People will teach error and mislead many. It is all in there, idiot.

So God doesn't care about the masses.....which contradicts the notion that he cares about everyone.

[silverblk mystix]

So God doesn't care about the masses.....which contradicts the notion that he cares about everyone.

Uh, maybe you could ask "GOD"

[DMC]

Does it matter?


People perform miracles to this day. Hell, people spontaneously awaken from comas or regain sight for no reason whatsoever. But, the miracle thing is veiled. If I am to perform a greater miracle than making a blind man see......what do you think that means? What is more miraculous than giving sight to a blind man?

I think it matters.

If all these miracles are parables, none of them occurred. If Mary wasn't a virgin when she gave birth, then the virgin birth story is false. Christianity itself is built around the concept of Jesus being the son of Yaweh, through the virgin Mary. So yeah, it matters. Just ask your pastor if it matters. Also, ask a Catholic priest if the immaculate conception matters.

It sounds like your belief could be just as much Buddhist as Christian, since miracles don't matter.

[Blake]

What is more miraculous than giving sight to a blind man?

That's your miracle ceiling?

giving a limb back to an amputee would be more miraculous.

[DMC]

Yes, it does. Jeremiah, Titus, Timothy, etc.

Show specific verses that support your statement.

[Blake]

Uh, maybe you could ask "GOD"

Uh, you're even less intelligent and less educated than skull. You're making a mess in this thread about the Bible.

[Skull-1]

So God doesn't care about the masses.....which contradicts the notion that he cares about everyone.
Whose notion? Yours?

And if in the end it is to show even greater mercy then wouldn't that count as caring?

[Skull-1]

Show specific verses that support your statement.


I already have. Jer 8:8, Titus 1:9, 1 or 2 Tim 4.....etc. ad nauseum (going by memory here so I probably missed). Go back and read this thread. I am not re-typing the same sh-t over and over to be ignored.


Read why Jesus spoke in parables in Mark and Matthew. Isaiah.

[silverblk mystix]

Uh, you're even less intelligent and less educated than skull. You're making a mess in this thread about the Bible.


yay - insults - how shocking

[Skull-1]

Uh, you're even less intelligent and less educated than skull. You're making a mess in this thread about the Bible.
The things of the spirit are foolish to the carnal. Thank you for proving scripture right once again.

[Skull-1]

yay - insults - how shocking
If that was an insult I would say it was pretty weak.

[Skull-1]

That's your miracle ceiling?

giving a limb back to an amputee would be more miraculous.
In your estimation. But you only see through a carnal lens. What is more miraculous than allowing a deaf man to hear or a blind man to see?

[silverblk mystix]

If that was an insult I would say it was pretty weak.

It is all he has, it is pretty much all most trolls have.

Have you ever been in a thread here without insults?

Pretty revealing of what we are dealing with.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I already have. Jer 8:8, Titus 1:9, 1 or 2 Tim 4.....etc. ad nauseum (going by memory here so I probably missed). Go back and read this thread. I am not re-typing the same sh-t over and over to be ignored.


Read why Jesus spoke in parables in Mark and Matthew. Isaiah.

Just so no one else is like wtf and so as to not feel crazy: this is the first time he has posted those verses.

Think about it, when he does have an argument he likes to post it and then gloat. When he doesn't he resorts to the copouts. His schtick is cliche at this point.

[xmas1997]

IMHO, skull and SBM have this discussion pretty well under control, that is, once you get passed all the insults. :lol

[Skull-1]

I think it matters.

If all these miracles are parables, none of them occurred. If Mary wasn't a virgin when she gave birth, then the virgin birth story is false. Christianity itself is built around the concept of Jesus being the son of Yaweh, through the virgin Mary. So yeah, it matters. Just ask your pastor if it matters. Also, ask a Catholic priest if the immaculate conception matters.

It sounds like your belief could be just as much Buddhist as Christian, since miracles don't matter.
I don't have a pastor. Pastors lie.

And, no, it really doesn't matter because the stories point to spiritual truths that are more important and profound.

Also, a parable, like Judas betraying Christ, CAN be literal. They don't HAVE to be, but they CAN be.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

DMC, he still hasn't answered your initial question. He is tap dancing around it though.

[Skull-1]

Just so no one else is like wtf and so as to not feel crazy: this is the first time he has posted those verses.

Think about it, when he does have an argument he likes to post it and then gloat. When he doesn't he resorts to the copouts. His schtick is cliche at this point.
Really?


I can guarantee you that Xmas remembers me posting those verses more than once in multiple threads.

Your shtick is to lie and hope people won't research it for themselves.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Really?


I can guarantee you that Xmas remembers me posting those verses more than once in multiple threads.

Your shtick is to lie and hope people won't research it for themselves.

At least you have a sense of irony.

xmas, do you recall him citing 'Jer 8:8, Titus 1:9, 1 or 2 Tim 4' before?

[Skull-1]

At least you have a sense of irony.

xmas, do you recall him citing 'Jer 8:8, Titus 1:9, 1 or 2 Tim 4' before?




The beating will begin.

Exhibit A.



10For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, 11who must be silenced because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain. Titus 1:10-11

[DMC]

I don't have a pastor. Pastors lie.

And, no, it really doesn't matter because the stories point to spiritual truths that are more important and profound.

Also, a parable, like Judas betraying Christ, CAN be literal. They don't HAVE to be, but they CAN be.

How can a lie point to the truth?

[DMC]

The beating will begin.

Exhibit A.

That says nothing about the scriptures being veiled.

[Skull-1]

That says nothing about the scriptures being veiled.

Oh, I am? Really, douchebag?




Okay numb nuts. I will do the work for you in the hope you might see...


9And when his disciples asked him what this parable meant, 10he said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God, but for others they are in parables, so that ‘seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.’ - Luke 8:9-10






And from Matthew with more detail...




10Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” 11And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12For to the one who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 13This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says:




“‘You will indeed hear but never understand,
and you will indeed see but never perceive.
15 For this people’s heart has grown dull,
and with their ears they can barely hear,
and their eyes they have closed,
lest they should see with their eyes
and hear with their ears
and understand with their heart
and turn, and I would heal them.’




16But blessed are your eyes, for they see, and your ears, for they hear. - Matthew 13:10-16

[Skull-1]

How can a lie point to the truth?
Define lie.

A metaphor is not a lie.

[Skull-1]

That says nothing about the scriptures being veiled.

Epic fail.


For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. 15Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. 16But when oned turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. - 2 Corinthians 3:14-15


...

[DMC]

I already have. Jer 8:8, Titus 1:9, 1 or 2 Tim 4.....etc. ad nauseum (going by memory here so I probably missed). Go back and read this thread. I am not re-typing the same sh-t over and over to be ignored.


Read why Jesus spoke in parables in Mark and Matthew. Isaiah.

Jer 8:8 doesn't state that the scripture was veiled. It states that it was corrupted. Those are two different things (ask any IT person the difference between a firewall and a virus). No need to address the rest since you start off with a non-sequitur.

[Skull-1]

That says nothing about the scriptures being veiled.


"All this I have spoken to you in veiled language. The time is coming when I shall no longer speak to you in veiled language, but will tell you about the Father in plain words." - John 16:25

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The beating will begin.

Exhibit A.

The 20 or so posts before that one were about mingus being high. You may have quoted that verse, which doesn't say what you claim, but you didn't make the argument. Now show me where you have made the argument before. Show me weehre you have made the argument with those other verses.

Also


10 For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group. 11 They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach—and that for the sake of dishonest gain. 12 One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.”[c] 13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith 14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth. 15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. 16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.

That is the context. Now where does it say that scripture is misleading.

[Skull-1]

Jer 8:8 doesn't state that the scripture was veiled. It states that it was corrupted. Those are two different things (ask any IT person the difference between a firewall and a virus). No need to address the rest since you start off with a non-sequitur.
You think God doesn't have multiple ways to veil scripture? You don't think bad translations hide the meanings from the many?


Once again, it is veiled. To you. Pretty flipping obvious to me, though.

[Skull-1]

The 20 or so posts before that one were about mingus being high. You may have quoted that verse, which doesn't say what you claim, but you didn't make the argument. Now show me where you have made the argument before. Show me weehre you have made the argument with those other verses.

Also



That is the context. Now where does it say that scripture is misleading.


The context continues to this day. They don't see the truth because it is veiled and teach error. This passage is to be taken in context with all the rest.


Veiled. Mystery. Parable. Few find the truth.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You think God doesn't have multiple ways to veil scripture? You don't think bad translations hide the meanings from the many?


Once again, it is veiled. To you. Pretty flipping obvious to me, though.

:lol

So you go from Jesus saying that what he had actually been saying at the time being veiled and twist that into this crap?

[Skull-1]

:lol

So you go from Jesus saying that what he had actually been saying at the time being veiled and twist that into this crap?


You're a moron. Jesus tells us he veiled it for a purpose.

Argue with Him.

[Skull-1]

It doesn't say *when* they are saved you twit. I already referenced that verse to refute eternal hell, so let's not act like you discovered something I didn't already know.




"But the natural man does not receive/understand/perceive/accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him; and he cannot know....CANNOT KNOW.....cannot know...CANNOT KNOW them because they are spiritually discerned..." - 1 Cor 2:14






Blake, you are overmatched. Give it up. The Good News is consistently referred to as a mystery. As veiled. Parables abound. Jesus Himself tells you it is veiled. Go argue with HIM and tell HIM how wrong He is and how right YOU are. I am sure He will get a good laugh.




When Paul says WE and YOU it doesn't mean everyone--it only refers to those to whom it applies, as defined by scripture...


"--(A)nd the scripture cannot be broken--" -John 10:35


You, sir, are not one of the WE or YOU Paul speaks of. You're a THEY or THEM, a mocker. A fool.




http://biblez.com/searchverse.php?q=Mystery




A few of these don't directly apply but I am growing weary of wasting my time on imbeciles so I am not going to edit them out. I also am not endorsing the version listed. The NIV sucks and is usually the default on that site. I did not check. Disclaimers included, the point is made regardless.




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... Brothers and sisters, when I came to you, I didn't speak about God's mystery
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Ephesians 1:9 he made known to us the mystery of his will ...
he made known to us the mystery of his will according to
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Ephesians 3:3 that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation ...
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Ephesians 3:4 In reading this, then, you will be able to ...
In reading this, then, you will be able to understand
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Ephesians 3:5 which was not made known to people in other ...
... In the past, this mystery was not known by people as it is now. ...
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Ephesians 3:6 This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles ...
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Ephesians 3:9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of ...
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Then you can search veiled.




Then try hidden, concealed, secret, symbolic, etc..


Parable. Veiled. Hidden. It lays it out there for you. What tiny little bit of knowledge YOU, Blake, THINK you have has been snatched away.


Only a very very few find the truth in this life. To the rest it is hidden. Veiled. The good must contend against something. Someone has to oppress the elect if the elect are to be like their Teacher.


This stuff is way over your head. Keep up with the arrogant rejection of the revelation you are being offered. You will then be assured to learn NOTHING.

[Blake]

Define lie.

A metaphor is not a lie.

When you said you were done with this thread, was that a lie or a metaphor?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The context continues to this day. They don't see the truth because it is veiled and teach error. This passage is to be taken in context with all the rest.


Veiled. Mystery. Parable. Few find the truth.

I read what it says. You add shit to what it says. 'veiled' 'mystery' 'parable' are not written there and if you think Paul would have bought your ad libbing I can only laugh at you. He is shitting on people ad libbing in that verse.

Nice to see your narcissism of being one of 'the few' is still there though.

Peter was one the 'circumcision group' though.

[Skull-1]

Sheol. Hades. Gehenna. These are all translated incorrectly as hell. Burning forever in a cavern of flames when you die is pagan mythology that ignorant Christians believe without critical thought. Age is translated wrong also.


“How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. - Jer 8:8 (Idiot bible translators are the scribes. The same ones who turned premarital sex/fornication/porneia into sexual immorality/marital unfaithfulness.)




It is a great scam to divert you from the truth and scare you into tithing to get dead relatives out of purgatory and other such nonsense.


These things are way to deep for a child like you. You can't get judgment, discipline, or marriage right. I can't possibly explain to you all the scripture about "hell".


That said, if you are so afraid of hell then you should get your act together and start obeying the commands of Christ and condemn evil like divorce.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You're a moron. Jesus tells us he veiled it for a purpose.

Argue with Him.

he said 'what I have said' and not your 'it.' you don't get to speak for jesus, narcissist.

[DMC]

You think God doesn't have multiple ways to veil scripture? You don't think bad translations hide the meanings from the many?

Perhaps you should confront your experts on their exegesis of the scripture.


Once again, it is veiled. To you. Pretty flipping obvious to me, though.
The bible doesn't mention it, though.

[Blake]

Nice to see your narcissism of being one of 'the few' is still there though.


I guess we'll never know the reward of being one of the few.

[Skull-1]

I read what it says. You add shit to what it says. 'veiled' 'mystery' 'parable' are not written there and if you think Paul would have bought your ad libbing I can only laugh at you. He is shitting on people ad libbing in that verse.

Nice to see your narcissism of being one of 'the few' is still there though.

Peter was one the 'circumcision group' though.
No scripture is of its OWN interpretation.



Veiled, mystery, and parable are throughout scripture, your carnal, insipid, beast.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well at least we know that if he has indeed made a claim before he will go back and find them. So when you ask him to prove it and he doesn't then you can know he is full of shit.

like I said, if he think he gets one up on you he will try and thump his chest about it ad nauseum. He is mentally ill though and I am toying with him again. I should stop.

[silverblk mystix]

This makes sense to my mind as I have always spoken about "seeing" something and how most humans cannot "see" due to their programming/conditioning/prejudices/likes/dislikes/fears/desires/beliefs


yes...

Truth/god/love/reality...


Is "veiled" to most people and only a few will ever "see"

Pretty self evident.


Truth is truth wherever it appears from.

[Skull-1]

Perhaps you should confront your experts on their exegesis of the scripture.

The bible doesn't mention it, though.
Are you stupid?

2 Cor 4:3 - If our gospel is veiled it is veiled to those who are perishing.


And I already explained and quoted the veil being removed only in Christ. And being in Christ is not what tradition teaches.

Mark 7:8 - "Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”



You guys should pick a different debate topic because you are woefully inept regarding scripture.

[Blake]

This makes sense to my mind as I have always spoken about "seeing" something and how most humans cannot "see" due to their programming/conditioning/prejudices/likes/dislikes/fears/desires/beliefs


yes...

Truth/god/love/reality...


Is "veiled" to most people and only a few will ever "see"

Pretty self evident.


Truth is truth wherever it appears from.

None of that garbage is truth.

[Skull-1]

Well at least we know that if he has indeed made a claim before he will go back and find them. So when you ask him to prove it and he doesn't then you can know he is full of shit.

like I said, if he think he gets one up on you he will try and thump his chest about it ad nauseum. He is mentally ill though and I am toying with him again. I should stop.


You are a petulant child.

[Skull-1]

This makes sense to my mind as I have always spoken about "seeing" something and how most humans cannot "see" due to their programming/conditioning/prejudices/likes/dislikes/fears/desires/beliefs


yes...

Truth/god/love/reality...


Is "veiled" to most people and only a few will ever "see"

Pretty self evident.


Truth is truth wherever it appears from.

And you are on the cusp of explaining the greater miracle....

[Blake]

And you are on the cusp of explaining the greater miracle....

Skull, what is going to be your reward when you die?

[Skull-1]

Skull, what is going to be your reward when you die?
Don't worry about it, bible expert. You know already with your obvious mastery of scripture. /sarcasm

[silverblk mystix]

None of that garbage is truth.

It is all truth. Someday you might see. It seems as if you are not interested in it - so how could you get anywhere near it?

Where did all your beliefs come from? Your opinions? Likes? Dislikes? Prejudices? Fears? Desires?

Yup...


All inherited. You were not born with them nor are they facts. They are inherited and mostly false ideas/conclusions/

and you are saying none of this is truth?

How can a rational, thoughtful, honest, sincere person deny this?

You were born with all these things?

No.

Inherited. Temporary. Beliefs.

In other words- there is a veil - over your eyes/senses/mind - that is affixed temporarily on you - and only you can decide you want to "see"

Only you can take your own medicine and try to lift the blindfold.

Self evident and irrefutable truth. Sad that even when gifted with this - you will stupidly deny it and return to what you know best - insults.

5,4,3.....

[Blake]

Are you stupid?

2 Cor 4:3 - If our gospel is veiled it is veiled to those who are perishing.


And I already explained and quoted the veil being removed only in Christ. And being in Christ is not what tradition teaches.

Mark 7:8 - "Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”



You guys should pick a different debate topic because you are woefully inept regarding scripture.

The very next verse:


2 Corinthians 4:4

*in whom the god of this age did blind the minds of the unbelieving, that there doth not shine forth to them the enlightening of the good news of the glory of the Christ, who is the image of God;

The "god of this age" is lower case for a reason.

But I'm sure you'll go narcissist again and claim "bad translation".

[Blake]

Don't worry about it, bible expert. You know already with your obvious mastery of scripture. /sarcasm

I'm not worried about it, extra Bible expert. Why are you such a coward? I honestly don't understand why you can't answer.

[Blake]

Skull, I'd also like to see the Bible you undoubtedly put together that's free of bad translations. Thanks in advance.

[Skull-1]

The very next verse:



The "god of this age" is lower case for a reason.

But I'm sure you'll go narcissist again and claim "bad translation".


Laughing.


You have no idea what that means, either.

[Blake]

It is all truth. Someday you might see. It seems as if you are not interested in it - so how could you get anywhere near it?

Where did all your beliefs come from? Your opinions? Likes? Dislikes? Prejudices? Fears? Desires?

Yup...


All inherited. You were not born with them nor are they facts. They are inherited and mostly false ideas/conclusions/

and you are saying none of this is truth?

How can a rational, thoughtful, honest, sincere person deny this?

You were born with all these things?

No.

Inherited. Temporary. Beliefs.

In other words- there is a veil - over your eyes/senses/mind - that is affixed temporarily on you - and only you can decide you want to "see"

Only you can take your own medicine and try to lift the blindfold.

Self evident and irrefutable truth. Sad that even when gifted with this - you will stupidly deny it and return to what you know best - insults.

5,4,3.....

Tldr. I'm sure it's the same regurgitated bullshit you bring every time.

Two things that make it bullshit:

1. It's not provable

2. You run around this forum leaving miserable trails of shit in your wake. A truly enlightened person by your rules wouldn't be such a mentally and emotionally weak minded fool.

Since you're clearly unenlightened, there is no reason to believe such enlightenment exists.

[Skull-1]

Tldr. I'm sure it's the same regurgitated bullshit you bring every time.

Two things that make it bullshit:

1. It's not provable

2. You run around this forum leaving miserable trails of shit in your wake. A truly enlightened person wouldn't be such a mentally and emotionally weak minded fool.
Go straighten your adulterous wife out, pal.

[Blake]

Go straighten your adulterous wife out, pal.

Oh look! A personal attack!

go get your perfectly translated Bible out and give us your opinion on the afterlife, bud.

[silverblk mystix]

Tldr. I'm sure it's the same regurgitated bullshit you bring every time.

Two things that make it bullshit:

1. It's not provable

2. You run around this forum leaving miserable trails of shit in your wake. A truly enlightened person by your rules wouldn't be such a mentally and emotionally weak minded fool.


...and this folks is what the response is when given truth.


Self evident and irrefutable truth.

Proof?

Why is proof needed when the truth is self evident.

Were you (was anyone) BORN with their current brain/beliefs/level of sophistication?
Anyone?

No one was.

What does this PROVE?

That all we presently think - and all we presently believe - all we presently consist of - WAS INHERITED FROM SOMEWHERE.

Self evident truth.

So if you want to get back to a pristine state - to a clean slate - and a clear and truthful place - you need to lift the "veil" get rid of your programming/conditioning and learn to see again.

But don't let me try to give you any helpful hints - I am a fool - lol.

[Blake]

Laughing.


You have no idea what that means, either.

it's satan. What do you think it means

[DMC]

30K a year will make anyone get back to the basics tbh

[RD2191]

Blake why are you so worried about what happens when you die? You seem more interested in what happens when you die than any of us theists, are you not satisfied with the notion that nothing happens when you die? What do you want to happen when you die?

[xmas1997]

The irony in this thread seems to be going right over most peoples heads here IMHO.
And that is: there are people here who have come to do nothing but mock and ridicule.
Yet even they will profit from all of this as much as they try to deny it.
There is much of the Truth here.
And even though they have infertile soil, these Truths, these Seeds, will take root and grow within each of you, even the worst mocker and ridiculer here, they will grow and gain in wisdom and grace. It my not be tomorrow or the next day, but it has been planted. And then there will come a time when they have to resolve those things within with the things without. That will be the time of choice. Choose wisely. And laugh a little bit too when you do. :lol

[silverblk mystix]

The irony in this thread seems to be going right over most peoples heads here IMHO.
And that is: there are people here who have come to do nothing but mock and ridicule.
Yet even they will profit from all of this as much as they try to deny it.
There is much of the Truth here.
And even though they have infertile soil, these Truths, these Seeds, will take root and grow within each of you, even the worst mocker and ridiculer here, they will grow and gain in wisdom and grace. It my not be tomorrow or the next day, but it has been planted. And then there will come a time when they have to resolve those things within with the things without. That will be the time of choice. Choose wisely. And laugh a little bit too when you do. :lol

Agreed 100%

No one else can take your medicine for you either.

It is you who have to walk out on that plank on your own. The truth has been staring us in the face forever....it is up to you to open your eyes and wake up.

[DMC]

The irony in this thread seems to be going right over most peoples heads here IMHO.
And that is: there are people here who have come to do nothing but mock and ridicule.
Yet even they will profit from all of this as much as they try to deny it.
There is much of the Truth here.
And even though they have infertile soil, these Truths, these Seeds, will take root and grow within each of you, even the worst mocker and ridiculer here, they will grow and gain in wisdom and grace. It my not be tomorrow or the next day, but it has been planted. And then there will come a time when they have to resolve those things within with the things without. That will be the time of choice. Choose wisely. And laugh a little bit too when you do. :lol

Poor persecuted Christians.

[xmas1997]

Poor persecuted Christians.

Do you consider yourself a persecutor of Christians?
Because I assure you I do not feel the least bit persecuted.
I am having fun here. I am growing too.
Thank you, you've aided this process immensely.

[Blake]

Blake why are you so worried about what happens when you die? You seem more interested in what happens when you die than any of us theists, are you not satisfied with the notion that nothing happens when you die? What do you want to happen when you die?

Again, not worried, just curious as to believers opinions of the afterlife.

I would like to be transformed into a super powered being when I die.....but I'm not counting on it.

[xmas1997]

Again, not worried, just curious as to believers opinions of the afterlife.

I would like to be transformed into a super powered being when I die.....but I'm not counting on it.

Why do you limit yourself to being one only once you die?
Why can't you do it while you live?

[Blake]

Do you consider yourself a persecutor of Christians?
Because I assure you I do not feel the least bit persecuted.


Could have fooled me

[Blake]

Why do you limit yourself to being one only once you die?
Why can't you do it while you live?

Because beings with unlimited super powers don't exist.

Do you believe they do?

[xmas1997]

Could have fooled me


Oh no, not me.
Take credit for credits due.
You have only yourself to blame.
You are your own greatest critic.
You are the one fooling yourself.

[Blake]

...and this folks is what the response is when given truth.


Self evident and irrefutable truth.

Proof?

Why is proof needed when the truth is self evident.

Were you (was anyone) BORN with their current brain/beliefs/level of sophistication?
Anyone?

No one was.

What does this PROVE?

That all we presently think - and all we presently believe - all we presently consist of - WAS INHERITED FROM SOMEWHERE.

Self evident truth.

So if you want to get back to a pristine state - to a clean slate - and a clear and truthful place - you need to lift the "veil" get rid of your programming/conditioning and learn to see again.

But don't let me try to give you any helpful hints - I am a fool - lol.

Tldr

[Skull-1]

30K a year will make anyone get back to the basics tbhHell yes. Or in my case, 16k.

[Blake]

Oh no, not me.
Take credit for credits due.
You have only yourself to blame.
You are your own greatest critic.
You are the one fooling yourself.

Oh yes, you. You have been the one whining about ridicule in this thread.

[silverblk mystix]

I hate truth - yup - just like SBM stated many times - people hate truth!

[Skull-1]

I'm not worried about it, extra Bible expert. Why are you such a coward? I honestly don't understand why you can't answer.
Christ was often cowardly by that logic.

[Skull-1]

Oh look! A personal attack!

go get your perfectly translated Bible out and give us your opinion on the afterlife, bud.


It was just helpful advice.

[Blake]

Hell yes. Or in my case, 16k.

sorry you're poor.

now how about getting back to answering my questions. Thanks.

[Blake]

It was just helpful advice.

If you want to be helpful, stay on topic

[Skull-1]

sorry you're poor.

now how about getting back to answering my questions. Thanks.
I make $255k now. I just know what it is like to have nothing....more than once. I expect it to happen again.


I will answer you when you acknowledge the truths I have already generously revealed.

[Skull-1]

If you want to be helpful, stay on topic

okay. The color of the robe is irrelevant to the spiritual truth contained in the account. Scarlet, crimson, and purple are, however, appropriate descriptors in any event.



Boom. Done.

[xmas1997]

Because beings with unlimited super powers don't exist.

Do you believe they do?

Are you absolutely sure about this?
Or maybe your conception of super powers are a little bit flawed?
Consider the greatest advances in man kinds history in the last 100 years, like electricity, flying, telephones, microwaves, the internet, etc. And don't limit it to just that. Try music. Who were some of the greatest musicians to come along in ages and created most of the music genres we listen to now?
A thousand years ago these would have been no less than miracles created by supermen or gods.
Do you think you are any less than they?
Only in your conception in your own self created reality chock full of your own self imposed limitations and disbeliefs is this true.
And it is all shared creations too. That is why one of the greatest commandments not of the ten is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

[xmas1997]

Oh yes, you. You have been the one whining about ridicule in this thread.

And all this time I thought I was just calling a spade a spade.
Go figure. :lol

[Skull-1]

And all this time I thought I was just calling a spade a spade.
Go figure. :lol
He can't figure. He can't even read.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not worried about it, extra Bible expert. Why are you such a coward? I honestly don't understand why you can't answer.

I am not kidding when I say that he is mentally ill. He is mentally incapable of admitting that he is wrong. A narcissist will evade, lie, cheat, steal, threaten or any other manner of things in an effort to not admit anything they deem negative to themselves. Can you recall at any point, him admitting that he was wrong?

He is classic. I used to think he was just trolling but I do not think so. He is the third person like this that I have encountered. It's interesting like watching bum fighting is interesting but there is nothing remotely noble in it.

[RD2191]

You're not worried about it but you keep asking the same fucking question? Are all atheist as dumb as you?

[Skull-1]

I am not kidding when I say that he is mentally ill. He is mentally incapable of admitting that he is wrong. A narcissist will evade, lie, cheat, steal, threaten or any other manner of things in an effort to not admit anything they deem negative to themselves. Can you recall at any point, him admitting that he was wrong?

He is classic. I used to think he was just trolling but I do not think so. He is the third person like this that I have encountered. It's interesting like watching bum fighting is interesting but there is nothing remotely noble in it.. Jesus was such a narcissist. Mentally ill.

[Skull-1]

You're not worried about it but you keep asking the same fucking question? Are all atheist as dumb as you?
Yes, they are. They can't even see the unfolding of scripture when you give it to them step by step.

[ChumpDumper]

I think a narcissist would probably continuously compare himself to a messiah.

[xmas1997]

Do you consider yourself a persecutor of Christians?
Because I assure you I do not feel the least bit persecuted.
I am having fun here. I am growing too.
Thank you, you've aided this process immensely.


Could have fooled me

How so?
What made you think I felt that way?
All I've attempted to do was answer questions by giving my opinion.
I didn't even get ruffled feathers from the feeble attempts at ridicule.

[Blake]

okay. The color of the robe is irrelevant to the spiritual truth contained in the account. Scarlet, crimson, and purple are, however, appropriate descriptors in any event.



Boom. Done.

It's actually relevant because it's an error in a book that is supposed to be error free.

You went off on a tangent on how men wrote the book and that some of it is true, some of it isn't.

Now I'm asking for a copy of the skull edition that contains only truths (including afterlife) and you are noticeably running away from it.

[Blake]

Are you absolutely sure about this?
Or maybe your conception of super powers are a little bit flawed?
Consider the greatest advances in man kinds history in the last 100 years, like electricity, flying, telephones, microwaves, the internet, etc. And don't limit it to just that. Try music. Who were some of the greatest musicians to come along in ages and created most of the music genres we listen to now?
A thousand years ago these would have been no less than miracles created by supermen or gods.
Do you think you are any less than they?
Only in your conception in your own self created reality chock full of your own self imposed limitations and disbeliefs is this true.
And it is all shared creations too. That is why one of the greatest commandments not of the ten is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

You asked me what I want when I die. I want unlimited comic book super hero power forever. + sex. + free cable.

[Skull-1]

It's actually relevant because it's an error in a book that is supposed to be error free.

You went off on a tangent on how men wrote the book and that some of it is true, some of it isn't.

Now I'm asking for a copy of the skull edition that contains only truths (including afterlife) and you are noticeably running away from it.
It is not an error.

And who says it is an error? You? What defines error, your carnal, limited, feeble intellect, or the deep, veiled, spiritual truths defined by the Word? What you call error merely reinforces the deep truths contained in the scriptures.


You're just stupid. Blind.

[Skull-1]

I think a narcissist would probably continuously compare himself to a messiah.
I am what I am. Point is, being called names and considered crazy, as Christ was, is a great compliment.

[Skull-1]

You asked me what I want when I die. I want unlimited comic book super hero power forever. + sex. + free cable.Carnal. Limited. Banal. Clueless.

[xmas1997]

It's actually relevant because it's an error in a book that is supposed to be error free.

You went off on a tangent on how men wrote the book and that some of it is true, some of it isn't.

Now I'm asking for a copy of the skull edition that contains only truths (including afterlife) and you are noticeably running away from it.

Why do so many consider it devoid of errors?
Because it was inspired by God?
Men put it together.
Men had their own agendas.
Men left parts out on purpose IMHO.
Are you saying that God inspired those men?
If so, how did anyone arrive at that opinion and misstate it as a fact?

[ChumpDumper]

I am what I am. Point is, being called names and considered crazy, as Christ was, is a great compliment.I don't think Jesus was as big a narcissist as you, but he didn't make a ton of logical sense either.

[Blake]

How so?
What made you think I felt that way?
All I've attempted to do was answer questions by giving my opinion.
I didn't even get ruffled feathers from the feeble attempts at ridicule.


He can ridicule me as much as he wants, it will not change my beliefs simply because I arrived at them over the years and they are mine, not his. I won't be lured into a pissing contest based on opinions just because he might choose to disagree.
He is entitled to his opinions........

so you're just noting the ridicule without feeling ridiculed. Ok noted.

[Blake]

Why do so many consider it devoid of errors?
Because it was inspired by God?
Men put it together.
Men had their own agendas.
Men left parts out on purpose IMHO.
Are you saying that God inspired those men?
If so, how did anyone arrive at that opinion and misstate it as a fact?

The Bible itself says the Bible is error free.

The men that left out the apocrypha and other scrolls would probably tell you they were divinely inspired to do so.....much like Joseph Smith would tell you his brand new add on was a divine gift.

[Blake]

It is not an error.

And who says it is an error? You? What defines error, your carnal, limited, feeble intellect, or the deep, veiled, spiritual truths defined by the Word? What you call error merely reinforces the deep truths contained in the scriptures.


You're just stupid. Blind.

It's an error because crimson is not purple. It's pretty simple.

You're crazy.

[xmas1997]

so you're just noting the ridicule without feeling ridiculed. Ok noted.

Thank you, yes.
I noted and commented on it but was not fazed by it.
On the contrary, I found it amusing.
I love humor, but ridicule is rather childish, and only mildly funny because of the fool it makes of the one doing the ridiculing. And most of the time the one doing it does not even realize how foolish they are making themselves look in a feeble attempt to make someone else look foolish.

[xmas1997]

The Bible itself says the Bible is error free.

The men that left out the apocrypha and other scrolls would probably tell you they were divinely inspired to do so.....much like Joseph Smith would tell you his brand new add on was a divine gift.

Who, and where does it ever say it is error free? OT? NT?

[Skull-1]

I don't think Jesus was as big a narcissist as you, but he didn't make a ton of logical sense either.
I am just right. Label it what you will, dork wad.

[Skull-1]

It's an error because crimson is not purple. It's pretty simple.

You're crazy.


Well you're stupid, because I have already shown from multiple angles how it is.... Obviously not simple enough for a simpleton like you.

[ChumpDumper]

I am just right.Just right about what?

[Skull-1]

Just right about what?You being a loser.

[ChumpDumper]

You being a loser.Why so salty?

Salty enough to make dorkwad two words.

[ChumpDumper]

As long as you didn't say you were just right about the Jesus, that's cool.

[Skull-1]

As long as you didn't say you were just right about the Jesus, that's cool.

Not just. But, yes. I am.

[Skull-1]

Why so salty?

Salty enough to make dorkwad two words.Salty as Morton.

[ChumpDumper]

Not just. But, yes. I am.And what makes you right about that?

[Skull-1]

And what makes you right about that?The scriptures.

[ChumpDumper]

The scriptures.Which ones?

Written by whom?

Which translation?

Approved by which scripture committee meeting?

[xmas1997]

You asked me what I want when I die. I want unlimited comic book super hero power forever. + sex. + free cable.

:lmao

[silverblk mystix]

You asked me what I want when I die. I want unlimited comic book super hero power forever. + sex between my wife and whichever bull she chooses + free cable.


fify


:rollin:rollin:rollin

[RD2191]

:lmao

[silverblk mystix]

:chestbump


Now it's appropriate!

[RD2191]

:violin

[xmas1997]

I'm just glad God has such wide ranging sense of humor!
He would be awfully boring if He didn't, and the same goes for the Bible.
I just regret it is not complete enough to tell the whole story and had to have so many veils. But then IMHO all of the Truth is veiled in real life as well.
I wonder sometimes why is real truth that way, why is it veiled?

[ElNono]

:lol this thread


I see no reason then to give consideration as existing for things that have no compelling evidence for existence. You assign truth value to emotional movements and anecdotal evidences however none of that compels me to believe in anything other than emotional movement and anecdotal evidences. I refuse to grant a pass to a suggested supernatural deity who cannot make itself apparent to the world it claims to have created and ruled.

Every once in a while we get one of those 'god of the gaps' dudes :lol

[mouse]

Bad translation. Learn to research, jerkoff.


words in Bold are not really needed when debating a subject online.

[xmas1997]

There are some on here who cannot accept the idea that others have arrived at parts of the truth as they see it simply because to them it defies reason and rationality.
That in and of itself does not make it a false truth just because someone cannot accept it.
Plus we've been discussing opinions for the most part which are different than facts in that opinions in nature are not subject to empirical method.
However, even when the holes in someone's argument which is based upon opinions are pointed out, they resort to ridicule and insults because they have no other recourse, and they do not have the confidence in their own point of view in order to discuss it in a rational and mature manner.
No one is here trying to change anyone's point of view or opinion except for a few self appointed individuals who for whatever reason feel bound to do so.
The pity is that when they find something that they can not accept, they then resort to ridicule hoping to draw them into pissing contests rather than a decent discussion, thus sidetracking the issue. But all they accomplish by the use of that tactic is to bring about how foolish and childish they are. Their attempts to insult end up backfiring on themselves instead of giving them the satisfaction of making their target look like fools.
Thus they gain nothing from the discussion.
That is a shame, because all could expand their minds if they did not approach it with minds that were closed and narrow.
It is what it is.

[xmas1997]

I guess this thread has been put to bed.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I still want to point out that Skull-1 likes to claim he is a twice published sci-fi author who is friends with amongst others Stephen Hawking, various 20th century astronauts, and Saudi royalty.

For some reason he won't promote his books though. I wonder why that is.

[xmas1997]

I still want to point out that Skull-1 likes to claim he is a twice published sci-fi author who is friends with amongst others Stephen Hawking, various 20th century astronauts, and Saudi royalty.

For some reason he won't promote his books though. I wonder why that is.

That is a really good question.

[Skull-1]

words in Bold are not really needed when debating a subject online.


Not needed, but appropriate.


Then again, when Christ used words liked serpent, hypocrite, viper, satan, wretched, poor, blind, naked....and God used whore, whoremonger.....Paul used liar, etc. they probably weren't necessary either.

Words are words.

[Skull-1]

That is a really good question.
Not a good question at all. A certain level of anonymity is appreciated by most people. The less is known about someone the harder it is to cause them harm. My book....one....not two....sold quite well. I don't need to promote it. I am not into that.

It shows the extremely limited mind of doucheylimpdork that he thinks my claims are extraordinary. They're actually rather tame. I flew Elton John only a few weeks ago. Then Kenny Loggins and Jessie Jerkson. So what?

Lost an astronaut friend last week or the week before, with whom I spent an evening at his house in Colorado with my wife and kids.

Flew with Frank Borman in a warbird in NM not too long ago.


Blah blah blah.

dimpleforeskins is just a feeble minded man who doesn't even understand who Constantine was, what the scriptures are, or where they came from. Every assertion of his has been debunked and nullified repeatedly. Constantine is a black helicopter Da Vinci Code conspiracy that has no basis in reality. The scriptures were effectively codified within sixty years of the death of Christ, with a few exceptions. The canon, which was finalized decades after Constantine died, merely put the books that were widely accepted into one volume. And even within Christianity the canon is not universally accepted. The rest is grasping.

I don't read dorkyfagnuts' posts except in quotes. He has nothing worthy to say. When he has an original thought, please let me know. Hopefully it is in a new thread.

[xmas1997]

We all have our crosses to bear to a certain extent. And a certain amount of anonymity on a forum site is probably a very wise thing. We set ourselves up for ridicule otherwise.

[Skull-1]

We all have our crosses to bear to a certain extent. And a certain amount of anonymity on a forum site is probably a very wise thing. We set ourselves up for ridicule otherwise. Ridicule I can handle. But retaliation is the bigger threat. And gawd forbid some mental case kicks my door in while I am away and murders my family or something. The world is dangerous. We are all better off keeping our private lives private. Speaking in general terms is already too much, really.

[xmas1997]

Why would anyone have a desire to retaliate? If one does nothing to engender a retaliatory response like say a police detective or judge, etc., then there should be no need to fear something like that.
Of course there are the crazies who go postal out there too, like the guy who murdered Lennon, but for the most part that is a worry for the rich and famous, otherwise it could be considered a bit of paranoia.

[Skull-1]

Why would anyone have a desire to retaliate? If one does nothing to engender a retaliatory response. Like say a police detective or judge, etc., then there should be no need to fear something like that.
Of course there are the crazies who go postal out there too, like the guy who murdered Lennon, but for the most part that is a worry for the rich and famous, otherwise it could be considered a bit of paranoia.Retaliation doesn't need to be physical. With all the animosity on this forum I wouldn't be surprised if someone went after someone else just out of spite. Again, not physical. That said... My wife wonders everyday if someone will try to kill her for shooting the scumbag who tried to rape her.

[xmas1997]

Your wife shot someone who tried to rape her?
Did he die?

There is a lot of animosity on this forum, surprising enough. I wonder why that is.
I think most of it is pretty harmless and juvenile though.

[Skull-1]

Your wife shot someone who tried to rape her?
Did he die?

There is a lot of animosity on this forum, surprising enough. I wonder why that is.
I think most of it is pretty harmless and juvenile though.

Not right away, but he collapsed in our driveway after she shot him and basically bled out before the cops even showed up to do their worthless job harassing the would be victim. This was in SA of all places. The cops there are nazis as far as I am concerned. Long time ago but seems like yesterday.

As for the juvenile and harmless part, let us hope so. :toast

[xmas1997]

I am sorry to hear that, sincerely. She has my sympathy.
Odd about the S.A. Cops though. They are supposedly the highest trained, best salaried, and nicest in all of Texas, so that doesn't bode well for Texas law enforcement in general.

I think they are, except for the out and out kooks who express obsessive behavior like kobyz.
After all, they are mostly Spur fans. The Spurs have the classiest players in the league. And most of us like to think their fans are the classiest fans in the league.

[Skull-1]

I am sorry to hear that, sincerely. She has my sympathy.
Odd about the S.A. Cops though. They are supposedly the highest trained, best salaried, and nicest in all of Texas, so that doesn't bode well for Texas law enforcement in general.

I think they are, except for the out and out kooks who express obsessive behavior like kobyz.
After all, they are mostly Spur fans. The Spurs have the classiest players in the league. And most of us like to think their fans are the classiest fans in the league.
Oh gawd no, SA cops are d---s. Their police chief is a rabid anti-gun zealot. They will harass normal folks regarding firearms all day long even when the gun owner obeys state law. That's partly why so much affluence has fled north and out of SA.

I loved the rally this weekend at the Alamo. Hundreds of armed Texans peacefully assembled at the Shrine of Texas Liberty. :)

Thanks for the thought.

[xmas1997]

Oh gawd no, SA cops are d---s. Their police chief is a rabid anti-gun zealot. They will harass normal folks regarding firearms all day long even when the gun owner obeys state law. That's partly why so much affluence has fled north and out of SA.

I loved the rally this weekend at the Alamo. Hundreds of armed Texans peacefully assembled at the Shrine of Texas Liberty. :)

Thanks for the thought.

I know, the Second Amendment to the Constitution, the right to bear arms, is in danger.
Oddly enough I have been seeing lots of people at major intersections all over the city carrying signs about the First Amendment. I wonder what that is all about! What is their beef?

[Skull-1]

I know, the Second Amendment to the Constitution, the right to bear arms, is in danger.
Oddly enough I have been seeing lots of people at major intersections all over the city carrying signs about the First Amendment. I wonder what that is all about! What is their beef?
Dunno, but without the Second you can forget the First.

[xmas1997]

Dunno, but without the Second you can forget the First.

:lol

Touché'.

[Blake]

Not a good question at all. A certain level of anonymity is appreciated by most people. The less is known about someone the harder it is to cause them harm. My book....one....not two....sold quite well. I don't need to promote it. I am not into that.

It shows the extremely limited mind of doucheylimpdork that he thinks my claims are extraordinary. They're actually rather tame. I flew Elton John only a few weeks ago. Then Kenny Loggins and Jessie Jerkson. So what?

Lost an astronaut friend last week or the week before, with whom I spent an evening at his house in Colorado with my wife and kids.

Flew with Frank Borman in a warbird in NM not too long ago.


Blah blah blah.

dimpleforeskins is just a feeble minded man who doesn't even understand who Constantine was, what the scriptures are, or where they came from. Every assertion of his has been debunked and nullified repeatedly. Constantine is a black helicopter Da Vinci Code conspiracy that has no basis in reality. The scriptures were effectively codified within sixty years of the death of Christ, with a few exceptions. The canon, which was finalized decades after Constantine died, merely put the books that were widely accepted into one volume. And even within Christianity the canon is not universally accepted. The rest is grasping.

I don't read dorkyfagnuts' posts except in quotes. He has nothing worthy to say. When he has an original thought, please let me know. Hopefully it is in a new thread.

Lol still name dropping

[Blake]

Not a good question at all. A certain level of anonymity is appreciated by most people. The less is known about someone the harder it is to cause them harm. My book....one....not two....sold quite well. I don't need to promote it. I am not into that.

It shows the extremely limited mind of doucheylimpdork that he thinks my claims are extraordinary. They're actually rather tame. I flew Elton John only a few weeks ago. Then Kenny Loggins and Jessie Jerkson. So what?

Lost an astronaut friend last week or the week before, with whom I spent an evening at his house in Colorado with my wife and kids.

Flew with Frank Borman in a warbird in NM not too long ago.


Blah blah blah.

dimpleforeskins is just a feeble minded man who doesn't even understand who Constantine was, what the scriptures are, or where they came from. Every assertion of his has been debunked and nullified repeatedly. Constantine is a black helicopter Da Vinci Code conspiracy that has no basis in reality. The scriptures were effectively codified within sixty years of the death of Christ, with a few exceptions. The canon, which was finalized decades after Constantine died, merely put the books that were widely accepted into one volume. And even within Christianity the canon is not universally accepted. The rest is grasping.

I don't read dorkyfagnuts' posts except in quotes. He has nothing worthy to say. When he has an original thought, please let me know. Hopefully it is in a new thread.

Lol still name dropping

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not a good question at all. A certain level of anonymity is appreciated by most people. The less is known about someone the harder it is to cause them harm. My book....one....not two....sold quite well. I don't need to promote it. I am not into that.

It shows the extremely limited mind of doucheylimpdork that he thinks my claims are extraordinary. They're actually rather tame. I flew Elton John only a few weeks ago. Then Kenny Loggins and Jessie Jerkson. So what?

Lost an astronaut friend last week or the week before, with whom I spent an evening at his house in Colorado with my wife and kids.

Flew with Frank Borman in a warbird in NM not too long ago.


Blah blah blah.

dimpleforeskins is just a feeble minded man who doesn't even understand who Constantine was, what the scriptures are, or where they came from. Every assertion of his has been debunked and nullified repeatedly. Constantine is a black helicopter Da Vinci Code conspiracy that has no basis in reality. The scriptures were effectively codified within sixty years of the death of Christ, with a few exceptions. The canon, which was finalized decades after Constantine died, merely put the books that were widely accepted into one volume. And even within Christianity the canon is not universally accepted. The rest is grasping.

I don't read dorkyfagnuts' posts except in quotes. He has nothing worthy to say. When he has an original thought, please let me know. Hopefully it is in a new thread.

:lol his 'proof' is more name dropping. and if retaliation is your concern you wouldn't name drop in the first place.

and codified within 60 years? you just like making shit up and fronting as if it is true. We have already established that prior to the Byzantine scripts, the works were all over the place.

[xmas1997]

What does this mean, that "the scriptures were effectively codified within sixty years of the death of Christ"?
And what are the few exceptions?
I sincerely want to know. And please no "riddle me this" answers. :lol

[Skull-1]

What does this mean, that "the scriptures were effectively codified within sixty years of the death of Christ"?
And what are the few exceptions?
I sincerely want to know. And please no "riddle me this" answers. :lol


Hard to explain but off the top of my head.... I will go by a faded memory of twenty years ago and tidbits i vaguely recall since. You will get enough to research it with the following...

The early church fathers....the guys right after the Disciples and Paul....roughly late first century and early second....up to 200ish years before Constantine....quoted "The New Testament" extensively. So much so that you could compile the entire NT almost down to the word. (I heard it said maybe a dozen verses were not quoted or some such).

The Gospels and Epistles were considered authoritative in their own time period. There were a few that may have been debated. James, 2 Peter, and Hebrews weren't universally accepted until AFTER Constantine was long dead. Gnostic gospels were really never accepted.

Basically the scriptures were individual books that were collected. The OT was fairly intact, the Catholics including the Apocrypha which they keep to this day. The Gospels that were accepted are the four we have now. The Epistles with the above mentioned exceptions were also disseminated essentially as a group long before Constantine. Think of a brochure being handed out that said, "The Epistles" or something. LOL

So roughly 95 percent of the Bible was accepted as it is now by roughly 200 AD, it just wasn't in one bound volume. That happened long after Constantine. The Council of Nicea really didn't do much. Hell, we can read the minutes of the meeting... They came up with some doctrine (much of it wrong, yet still permeating Christianity to this day) but to say they came up with the bible is ludicrous.

[Skull-1]

Oh, and I think there is a fragment from Mark dating to 40 AD or so. Mark permeates parts of Luke and I think Matthew, maybe... I forget. But any way.... Constantine obviously had a time machine.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol that is just bullshit. Most people were illiterate including clergy. They kept their works by making their kaballah ie a chant of the work. Now perhaps those were consistent as they were passed down from master to student but you have no way of knowing that. We have no idea at what point they began being written down, we have no idea who wrote it nor do we have any idea what they were for the original incarnation.

What we do know is that the works prior to Constantine's commissions are all over the place in terms of content and the rejection of many of the works were completely arbitrary. Eseentially what is being siad is that works from before the ones we know that are all over the place are MORE consistent? That is just bullshit. Obvious non sequitor.

[xmas1997]

Hard to explain but off the top of my head.... I will go by a faded memory of twenty years ago and tidbits i vaguely recall since. You will get enough to research it with the following...

The early church fathers....the guys right after the Disciples and Paul....roughly late first century and early second....up to 200ish years before Constantine....quoted "The New Testament" extensively. So much so that you could compile the entire NT almost down to the word. (I heard it said maybe a dozen verses were not quoted or some such).

The Gospels and Epistles were considered authoritative in their own time period. There were a few that may have been debated. James, 2 Peter, and Hebrews weren't universally accepted until AFTER Constantine was long dead. Gnostic gospels were really never accepted.

Basically the scriptures were individual books that were collected. The OT was fairly intact, the Catholics including the Apocrypha which they keep to this day. The Gospels that were accepted are the four we have now. The Epistles with the above mentioned exceptions were also disseminated essentially as a group long before Constantine. Think of a brochure being handed out that said, "The Epistles" or something. LOL

So roughly 95 percent of the Bible was accepted as it is now by roughly 200 AD, it just wasn't in one bound volume. That happened long after Constantine. The Council of Nicea really didn't do much. Hell, we can read the minutes of the meeting... They came up with some doctrine (much of it wrong, yet still permeating Christianity to this day) but to say they came up with the bible is ludicrous.

Interesting. When you say those right after Paul, do you mean a long long time after, or those that actually knew him such as Clement of Alexandria who carried on where Paul left off?

I have only argued in the past that the books were put in bible format at the Council of Nicea, but were known of long before that and were principally oral.

And what about the Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Judas, Gospel of John, Gospel of Mark, etc. discovered in The Dead Sea Scrolls?
Why, in your opinion, were these left out, but most probably still taught? Do you think they did not conform to Constantine's agenda at the time?

[Skull-1]

Interesting. When you say those right after Paul, do you mean a long long time after, or those that actually knew him such as Clement of Alexandria who carried on where Paul left off?

I have only argued in the past that the books were put in bible format at the Council of Nicea, but were known of long before that and were principally oral.

And what about the Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Judas, Gospel of John, Gospel of Mark, etc. discovered in The Dead Sea Scrolls?
Why, in your opinion, were these left out, but most probably still taught? Do you think they did not conform to Constantine's agenda at the time?

The first gen after Paul. Like Martyr, Ignatius, Clement, Polycarp, etc. I am again going by memory. But they wrote quite a lot of stuff.

There were first century catechisms that quoted the NT books....

I don't really remember enough to answer on Thomas, Mary, etc. I just know I researched enough to be satisfied that my position is not wrong--and changed my mind on things in the process...


The bible wasn't set at Nicea. The canon was finalized well after that but accepted generally long before.

These are general answers. You can research it more on your own, though and figure it out. I am a scripture expert. I don't focus on man made histories any more.

[xmas1997]

The first gen after Paul. Like Martyr, Ignatius, Clement, Polycarp, etc. I am again going by memory. But they wrote quite a lot of stuff.

There were first century catechisms that quoted the NT books....

I don't really remember enough to answer on Thomas, Mary, etc. I just know I researched enough to be satisfied that my position is not wrong--and changed my mind on things in the process...

I had a feeling Clement was involved, as was Origen, Valentinus, and Marcion.

Should you ever get the chance you should check out those other Gospels, they are eye openers and it is no wonder that Constantine did not want them included. Had they been the Roman Christians would have never fought for him.

[Skull-1]

I had a feeling Clement was involved, as was Origen, Valentinus, and Marcion.

Should you ever get the chance you should check out those other Gospels, they are eye openers and it is no wonder that Constantine did not want them included. Had they been the Roman Christians would have never fought for him.
I read them in college. I may go revisit them and refresh my memory.

Origen, et. al. involved in what? Nicea?

Do a timeline search for early church fathers and it will clear it up some. I used to know who came from where, who mentioned who, etc. but I brain dumped it because scripture doesn't require extra biblical source material to be true, in my opinion.


Constantine didn't have anything to do with the canon. Much of that stuff had been rejected before Nicea any way as I recall.

[xmas1997]

I read them in college. I may go revisit them and refresh y memory.

Origen, et. al. involved in what? Nicea?

Dona timeline search for early church fathers and it will clear it up some. I used to know who came from where, who mentioned who, etc. but I brain dumped it because scripture doesn't require extra biblical source material to be true, in my opinion.


Constantine didn't have anything to do with the canon. Much of that stuff had been rejected before Nicea any way as I recall.

Those guys I mentioned, Origen, etc. were pre Constantine and post Paul, along with Clement who is one of the easiest to remember.

You mention brain dumping because scripture doesn't require extra source material to be true. This is what I, and yes, SBM too, have been saying about ridding the mind of a lot of the superfluous and dogmatic knowledge that we have absorbed all our lives which hide or impede truth from being recognized.
By the subtraction, rather than the addition, of more and more trivialities do the veils begin to fall away. Keep in mind I am being simplistic here, but it isn't easy to condense years into a simple definition, and especially in a forum.

[silverblk mystix]

Those guys I mentioned, Origen, etc. were pre Constantine and post Paul, along with Clement who is one of the easiest to remember.

You mention brain dumping because scripture doesn't require extra source material to be true. This is what I, and yes, SBM too, have been saying about ridding the mind of a lot of the superfluous and dogmatic knowledge that we have absorbed all our lives which hide or impede truth from being recognized.
By the subtraction, rather than the addition, of more and more trivialities do the veils begin to fall away. Keep in mind I am being simplistic here, but it isn't easy to condense years into a simple definition, and especially in a forum.


Good point about condensing years of experience, knowledge & insights coupled with learning, unlearning, suffering, joy, loss, gain, tragedy, triumph and every learning experience and then trying to put it into words - or into a formula/concept to people who want the cliffs' notes and do not want to actually spend more than two seconds on anything.

Add to this the fact that most people do not want new information or truth - but merely to confirm their own conclusions - and you get what we have here.

Hard earned truths being shared and the response to this is;

"you are a dumb piece of shit, minimum wage earning, blah-blah " :lol




People hate truth.

[DMC]

Good point about condensing years of experience, knowledge & insights coupled with learning, unlearning, suffering, joy, loss, gain, tragedy, triumph and every learning experience and then trying to put it into words - or into a formula/concept to people who want the cliffs' notes and do not want to actually spend more than two seconds on anything.

Add to this the fact that most people do not want new information or truth - but merely to confirm their own conclusions - and you get what we have here.

Hard earned truths being shared and the response to this is;

"you are a dumb piece of shit, minimum wage earning, blah-blah " :lol




People hate truth.

Yes, it's all them Norman. They are evil people, a monolithic entity of hate that is well beneath you.

[Clipper Nation]

Not a good question at all. A certain level of anonymity is appreciated by most people. The less is known about someone the harder it is to cause them harm. My book....one....not two....sold quite well. I don't need to promote it. I am not into that.

It shows the extremely limited mind of doucheylimpdork that he thinks my claims are extraordinary. They're actually rather tame. I flew Elton John only a few weeks ago. Then Kenny Loggins and Jessie Jerkson. So what?

Lost an astronaut friend last week or the week before, with whom I spent an evening at his house in Colorado with my wife and kids.

Flew with Frank Borman in a warbird in NM not too long ago.


Blah blah blah.

dimpleforeskins is just a feeble minded man who doesn't even understand who Constantine was, what the scriptures are, or where they came from. Every assertion of his has been debunked and nullified repeatedly. Constantine is a black helicopter Da Vinci Code conspiracy that has no basis in reality. The scriptures were effectively codified within sixty years of the death of Christ, with a few exceptions. The canon, which was finalized decades after Constantine died, merely put the books that were widely accepted into one volume. And even within Christianity the canon is not universally accepted. The rest is grasping.

I don't read dorkyfagnuts' posts except in quotes. He has nothing worthy to say. When he has an original thought, please let me know. Hopefully it is in a new thread.
:lol So-called "best-selling author" whose idea of a "diss" is nicknames like "dimpleforeskins" and "dorkyfagnuts"

[silverblk mystix]

:lol So-called "best-selling author" whose idea of a "diss" is nicknames like "dimpleforeskins" and "dorkyfagnuts"

Those were actually very creative and funny but because you are a shitty snitch sypathizer and cyber troll nutrider - you don't find them funny.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol So-called "best-selling author" whose idea of a "diss" is nicknames like "dimpleforeskins" and "dorkyfagnuts"

:lol so now he is a best selling author?

If I were published I would be on here promoting my book; I would not be telling people that I wrote something anonymous in an attempt to impress people.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I read them in college. I may go revisit them and refresh y memory.

Origen, et. al. involved in what? Nicea?

Dona timeline search for early church fathers and it will clear it up some. I used to know who came from where, who mentioned who, etc. but I brain dumped it because scripture doesn't require extra biblical source material to be true, in my opinion.


Constantine didn't have anything to do with the canon. Much of that stuff had been rejected before Nicea any way as I recall.

This is like saying that the Koch Bros don't have anything to do with government. It's asinine. He commissioned the first bibles soon after founding consantinople with the express purpose of generating dogma. He paid the church leaders in Asia Minor to do so.

And what agency rejected anything before the centralization? The various bishops were independent so while one may have that was not necessarily taken up by another. This is what I get at when I say you have no concept of historical context.

Trent closed canon as to what it is now but what was canon was begun by Constantines commission a few years after that first Nicaea council. They added to it over time sure but it still is what it is. Prior to Nice there was no orthodoxy and that is the point that completely escapes you.

[Blake]

Those were actually very creative and funny but because you are a shitty snitch sypathizer and cyber troll nutrider - you don't find them funny.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1660739/taking-the-bullet-o.gif

[Clipper Nation]

Those were actually very creative and funny but because you are a shitty snitch sypathizer and cyber troll nutrider - you don't find them funny.

They weren't creative or funny at all, tbh, grade-school quality.... btw, you never answered my question about exactly how many people you've snitched on to Kori and timvp, snitch...

[ChumpDumper]

lol snitch

[Skull-1]

Those were actually very creative and funny but because you are a shitty snitch sypathizer and cyber troll nutrider - you don't find them funny.


Thanks. :lol


Also, can you tell me Sbm where I said I was a best selling author? I can't find that assertion anywhere... I said I was published....once....and it sold quite well. Maybe you can enlighten the troll....

[DMC]

Some here seem to think the laity were reading bibles back in those days. They didn't read, they weren't allowed to read the bible. Only the clergy could do that. Kings could, but they were gods themselves so why would they need to?

[silverblk mystix]

Thanks. :lol


Also, can you tell me Sbm where I said I was a best selling author? I can't find that assertion anywhere... I said I was published....once....and it sold quite well. Maybe you can enlighten the troll....


Don't listen to these idiots - I mentioned once that we wear many hats during our life - and Corrections - was a hat I wore once -

Of course - non-creative people think the target is stationary - so they cannot imagine where someone who wore a hat 25-30 years ago would be today. It is good though to see their flailing and fishing attempts.

[Skull-1]

Some here seem to think the laity were reading bibles back in those days. They didn't read, they weren't allowed to read the bible. Only the clergy could do that. Kings could, but they were gods themselves so why would they need to?
And the catholic church kept it locked up for centuries to boot. But there was access to it. People risked their lives to read what they had, those who could.

[Spursfan092120]

Blake asks a simple fucking question (and if you can see by the title, he asked for an expert...so someone who actually gives a shit about the topic) and it goes 32 fucking pages because people can't just keep their damn mouths shut if they don't believe. I swear...some Atheists get so pissed off at Christians because we try to talk about Christianity yet they can't shut the fuck up about Atheism...hypocrites.

[Blake]

Don't listen to these idiots - I mentioned once that we wear many hats during our life - and Corrections - was a hat I wore once -

Is hat just a correctional facility word for ass glove

[Skull-1]

Blake asks a simple fucking question (and if you can see by the title, he asked for an expert...so someone who actually gives a shit about the topic) and it goes 32 fucking pages because people can't just keep their damn mouths shut if they don't believe. I swear...some Atheists get so pissed off at Christians because we try to talk about Christianity yet they can't shut the fuck up about Atheism...hypocrites.Well, I answered him pretty clearly. His false assertion that the color "discrepancy"--which isn't--makes scripture imperfect--which it doesn't--is why we are here still going around and around.


The scriptures are spiritual. No carnal man has a prayer (pun) of understanding them on even a basic level.... Flake and potatoforeskins are perfect examples of that truth.

[Blake]

Well, I answered him pretty clearly. His false assertion that the color "discrepancy"--which isn't--makes scripture imperfect--which it doesn't--is why we are here still going around and around.


Crimson equals purple in crazy Christian cherry picking world.

And Tim Duncan is a sinner for getting a divorce in skull world.

[xmas1997]

Is hat just a correctional facility word for ass glove

Are you guys going to just continue to put each other down?

[silverblk mystix]

Are you guys going to just continue to put each other down?


No, only for the next few years...:lmao

[xmas1997]

No, only for the next few years...:lmao
:lol