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10-21-2013, 09:08 AM
JamStone
His playoff numbers, as a bigger sample, are better even with those World Series numbers. .276 BA, which isn't all that great,....... And 10 HR with 30 RBI in 41 games. Translate that to a 162 game season, his overall playoff numbers would be on pace for a 39 HR and 118 RBI season...
Likewise in 2013 he went
.262
.311 on base
2 HRs in 42 at bats
7 rbi
In his only truly clutch situation at bat, that being Game 3 bottom 8th trailing 1-0 with runners on 1st and 3rd:
struck out.
I suppose you could say his Game 5 7th inning ground out double play rbi which brought Detroit within 4-3 was clutch in that it got the run in. But i mean really?
While his playoff #s drastically drop from his reg season #s, it should be noted that compared to other players:
HRs 2 is good for 2nd place
RBIs 7 is good for 2nd place (tied).
So Cabrera is indeed with the *league* leaders in HRs/RBIs in the 2013 AL playoffs.
JamStone
But since you wanted to label me a stats guy, I will give you a few hitting stats for the two players. RISPw2outs, runners in scoring position with 2 outs, almost universally accepted as one of the main clutch hitting stats used to determine clutch hitting. High Leverage hitting stats, advanced stats geeks break down each AB and determine how important and pivotal an AB is in terms of swinging and determining the outcome of the game. High leverage situations can help show how good a hitter can be in the most important hitting situations. And Margin>4 runs, basically hitting stats when the game is a blowout either way, 5 run lead or 5 run deficit. In many of those situations, opposing pitchers are usually just trying to get through innings, usually are no longer in high pressure situations throwing high stress pitches. If it's still the starting pitcher who is losing the blowout, he's probably beat up. If it's a reliever, he's probably throwing a lot of fastballs just trying to get quick outs.
Mike Trout
RISP2/o: .291/.426/.491/.917
High Leverage: .272/.385/.346/.730
Margin>4: .469/.541/.875/1.416
Miguel Cabrera
RISP2/o: .447/.594/.957/1.551
High Leverage: .351/.480/.766/.1.246
Margine>4: .250/.303/.400/.703
So what you see there is that Miggy is one of the greatest hitters ever, but even better in clutch situations, in high pressure ABs. And you also see that Mike Trout morphs into Babe Ruth when the game is a blowout either way and shrinks into Mark Kotsay in important and clutch situations. The difference between Miggy and Trout, as both are having great, great seasons, is that Miggy hits 2 HRs in consecutive ABs against Mariano Rivera in save situations at Yankees stadium, and Mike Trout hits a 3 run homer late in a game with his team trailing 14-4 against a Triple-A call-up.
Do tell us how Miggy did with your 3 stats in these 2013 playoffs.
Chris
Yeah Miggy is sooooo clutch
So clutch he got his ass swept in the World Series and struck out looking on the final at bat. Fastball right down them middle.
2003 Marlins 6 24 .167
2012 Tigers 4 13 .231
Heath Ledger
Look at who is batting behind Cabrera, Fielder, and although Fielder is semi struggling right now with a guy like Fielder behind Cabrera obviously he is going to see a lot more good pitches to hit because Fielder is no slouch. And Cabrera can hit non strikes out of the park as well. He's just that good. If it comes out that hes juicing I will leave Spurstalk forever.
Can a fair amount of Cabrera/Detroits loss to Boston be put on Fielders suckage?
Hornets78
Ryan Braun was great from Day one. In the minors and even once he got to the majors. He was a beast at every level.
I don't know if Miggy has juiced. No evidence. Wouldn't surprise me due to the history of Latin American stars, but I won't accuse him.
woops
His playoff numbers, as a bigger sample, are better even with those World Series numbers. .276 BA, which isn't all that great,....... And 10 HR with 30 RBI in 41 games. Translate that to a 162 game season, his overall playoff numbers would be on pace for a 39 HR and 118 RBI season...
Likewise in 2013 he went
.262
.311 on base
2 HRs in 42 at bats
7 rbi
In his only truly clutch situation at bat, that being Game 3 bottom 8th trailing 1-0 with runners on 1st and 3rd:
struck out.
I suppose you could say his Game 5 7th inning ground out double play rbi which brought Detroit within 4-3 was clutch in that it got the run in. But i mean really?
While his playoff #s drastically drop from his reg season #s, it should be noted that compared to other players:
HRs 2 is good for 2nd place
RBIs 7 is good for 2nd place (tied).
So Cabrera is indeed with the *league* leaders in HRs/RBIs in the 2013 AL playoffs.
JamStone
But since you wanted to label me a stats guy, I will give you a few hitting stats for the two players. RISPw2outs, runners in scoring position with 2 outs, almost universally accepted as one of the main clutch hitting stats used to determine clutch hitting. High Leverage hitting stats, advanced stats geeks break down each AB and determine how important and pivotal an AB is in terms of swinging and determining the outcome of the game. High leverage situations can help show how good a hitter can be in the most important hitting situations. And Margin>4 runs, basically hitting stats when the game is a blowout either way, 5 run lead or 5 run deficit. In many of those situations, opposing pitchers are usually just trying to get through innings, usually are no longer in high pressure situations throwing high stress pitches. If it's still the starting pitcher who is losing the blowout, he's probably beat up. If it's a reliever, he's probably throwing a lot of fastballs just trying to get quick outs.
Mike Trout
RISP2/o: .291/.426/.491/.917
High Leverage: .272/.385/.346/.730
Margin>4: .469/.541/.875/1.416
Miguel Cabrera
RISP2/o: .447/.594/.957/1.551
High Leverage: .351/.480/.766/.1.246
Margine>4: .250/.303/.400/.703
So what you see there is that Miggy is one of the greatest hitters ever, but even better in clutch situations, in high pressure ABs. And you also see that Mike Trout morphs into Babe Ruth when the game is a blowout either way and shrinks into Mark Kotsay in important and clutch situations. The difference between Miggy and Trout, as both are having great, great seasons, is that Miggy hits 2 HRs in consecutive ABs against Mariano Rivera in save situations at Yankees stadium, and Mike Trout hits a 3 run homer late in a game with his team trailing 14-4 against a Triple-A call-up.
Do tell us how Miggy did with your 3 stats in these 2013 playoffs.
Chris
Yeah Miggy is sooooo clutch
So clutch he got his ass swept in the World Series and struck out looking on the final at bat. Fastball right down them middle.
2003 Marlins 6 24 .167
2012 Tigers 4 13 .231
Heath Ledger
Look at who is batting behind Cabrera, Fielder, and although Fielder is semi struggling right now with a guy like Fielder behind Cabrera obviously he is going to see a lot more good pitches to hit because Fielder is no slouch. And Cabrera can hit non strikes out of the park as well. He's just that good. If it comes out that hes juicing I will leave Spurstalk forever.
Can a fair amount of Cabrera/Detroits loss to Boston be put on Fielders suckage?
Hornets78
Ryan Braun was great from Day one. In the minors and even once he got to the majors. He was a beast at every level.
I don't know if Miggy has juiced. No evidence. Wouldn't surprise me due to the history of Latin American stars, but I won't accuse him.
woops