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he was hurt you re ed
JamStoneLikewise in 2013 he wentHis playoff numbers, as a bigger sample, are better even with those World Series numbers. .276 BA, which isn't all that great,....... And 10 HR with 30 RBI in 41 games. Translate that to a 162 game season, his overall playoff numbers would be on pace for a 39 HR and 118 RBI season...
.262
.311 on base
2 HRs in 42 at bats
7 rbi
In his only truly clutch situation at bat, that being Game 3 bottom 8th trailing 1-0 with runners on 1st and 3rd:
struck out.
I suppose you could say his Game 5 7th inning ground out double play rbi which brought Detroit within 4-3 was clutch in that it got the run in. But i mean really?
While his playoff #s drastically drop from his reg season #s, it should be noted that compared to other players:
HRs 2 is good for 2nd place
RBIs 7 is good for 2nd place (tied).
So Cabrera is indeed with the *league* leaders in HRs/RBIs in the 2013 AL playoffs.
JamStoneDo tell us how Miggy did with your 3 stats in these 2013 playoffs.But since you wanted to label me a stats guy, I will give you a few hitting stats for the two players. RISPw2outs, runners in scoring position with 2 outs, almost universally accepted as one of the main clutch hitting stats used to determine clutch hitting. High Leverage hitting stats, advanced stats geeks break down each AB and determine how important and pivotal an AB is in terms of swinging and determining the outcome of the game. High leverage situations can help show how good a hitter can be in the most important hitting situations. And Margin>4 runs, basically hitting stats when the game is a blowout either way, 5 run lead or 5 run deficit. In many of those situations, opposing pitchers are usually just trying to get through innings, usually are no longer in high pressure situations throwing high stress pitches. If it's still the starting pitcher who is losing the blowout, he's probably beat up. If it's a reliever, he's probably throwing a lot of fastballs just trying to get quick outs.
Mike Trout
RISP2/o: .291/.426/.491/.917
High Leverage: .272/.385/.346/.730
Margin>4: .469/.541/.875/1.416
Miguel Cabrera
RISP2/o: .447/.594/.957/1.551
High Leverage: .351/.480/.766/.1.246
Margine>4: .250/.303/.400/.703
So what you see there is that Miggy is one of the greatest hitters ever, but even better in clutch situations, in high pressure ABs. And you also see that Mike Trout morphs into Babe Ruth when the game is a blowout either way and shrinks into Mark Kotsay in important and clutch situations. The difference between Miggy and Trout, as both are having great, great seasons, is that Miggy hits 2 HRs in consecutive ABs against Mariano Rivera in save situations at Yankees stadium, and Mike Trout hits a 3 run homer late in a game with his team trailing 14-4 against a Triple-A call-up.
ChrisHeath LedgerYeah Miggy is sooooo clutch
So clutch he got his ass swept in the World Series and struck out looking on the final at bat. Fastball right down them middle.
2003 Marlins 6 24 .167
2012 Tigers 4 13 .231Can a fair amount of Cabrera/Detroits loss to Boston be put on Fielders suckage?Look at who is batting behind Cabrera, Fielder, and although Fielder is semi struggling right now with a guy like Fielder behind Cabrera obviously he is going to see a lot more good pitches to hit because Fielder is no slouch. And Cabrera can hit non strikes out of the park as well. He's just that good. If it comes out that hes juicing I will leave Spurstalk forever.
Hornets78woopsRyan Braun was great from Day one. In the minors and even once he got to the majors. He was a beast at every level.
I don't know if Miggy has juiced. No evidence. Wouldn't surprise me due to the history of Latin American stars, but I won't accuse him.
he was hurt you re ed
No, Cabrera put up about the same #s he puts up every playoffs. Are you claiming he was hurt every single year of his career in the playoffs?
According to your other profile, Mike Trout was a pussy when he played while hurt.
Maybe you should make up yet another profile and attempt to spin.
no, you sucked mike trout's relentlessly for playing hurt. then jamstone said you're re ed, a lot of players play hurt.
if you can walk, you should play, esp in the playoffs, but to criticize his playoff numbers when he played hurt is just one of the worst takes I've ever read on this site.
Almost everyone's offensive numbers decline in the playoffs due to better starters/bullpens (typically).
2003 was his rookie year
Last season he faced several juggernaut pitching staffs
This year he faced very good pitching staffs and was injured
Even the greatest hitter in the history of postseason stats had a rough go vs. Dodgers. Several timely hits, but struggles overall. Not even Beltran is immune.
Already post this numb nutts:
You wanna chase your tail in circles in attempted trolling, go for it.No, Cabrera put up about the same #s he puts up every playoffs. Are you claiming he was hurt every single year of his career in the playoffs?
The thread is for discussion. Good point noted on Beltran.
As i op'd Cabrera was 2nd in AL playoff HRs and RBIs.
Still wanna hear from CramStone.
Silence from the Miggy honks.
Trout's playoff performance was fairly noticeable.
No, he sucked Mike Trout's for NOT playing hurt and "conserving" himself
Mike Trout playoff stats
0/0/0/0/0/0/.000
more silence from the Cabrera honks.
I haven't been on Spurstalk. I wasn't avoiding this thread.
As for your question, it wasn't good. If he wanted to really be the great hitter many people suggest he is, he needed to perform better. I won't make excuses with injury. If he's good enough to play, he is expected to perform. He wasn't good enough. Outside of the Tigers starting pitching and Victor Martinez and Jhonny Peralta, the team as a whole didn't show up to deserve to advance. No excuses. I don't know what you wanted Tigers fans to say.
I'll still take Cabrera on my team. Hopefully, in the future, he'll show up when it counts the most, injuries or not.
^
Sounds like he may well have had a hernia.
Miguel Cabrera undergoes surgery
The Tigers made the announcement on their official Twitter account, saying that Cabrera had "successful core muscle repair surgery."
"I tried to [play hurt], to take advantage of the chance we had in the playoffs, because with so many good teams, you never know when a chance like this will come along," Cabrera told Rojas. "It took me eight or nine years to get back in the playoffs, and I wanted to be back there and help the team win."
whole article:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/98...pring-training
I already knew that a few days ago. It was reported on Detroit sports talk radio. He had a tear in his groin. He probably had been playing on in for a couple months or more.
That doesn't change my comments. I made my comments knowing that. If he was going to be in the line-up, injuries are not an excuse. He still had to perform. It may have been the reason for him not performing up to his standards, but for me it's not an excuse. Unlike Trout blowhards, I don't sit at the teet of Miguel Cabrera waiting to suck on it. He was playing, therefore he had to perform. It's commendable that he's tough enough to play through the injury, but it doesn't change the fact that the Tigers are sitting and watching the World Series right now with 27 other teams.
the best way to not suck in the playoffs is to never get there. thats why my TroutDoll is the best!
the best way to not suck in the playoffs is to never get there. thats why my MiggyDoll is the best!
Miggy Cabreras playoff stats for:
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010
I like to post on the interwebs.
Just when you thought Spurtalk Poster might show an ounce of class.
Make one wonder if Miggy Cabrera would have rested some more games in September if he would have done better in the playoffs.
When Miggy Cabrera sits out with a strain, he's the ultimate stud.
When Trout sits out with a similar strain, he's a pussy.
Trouts rookie year too.
"If Miggy Cabrera was traded to the Angels for Trout this year, the Angels would have wonned the World Series."
Can you make one for me?
Miggy Cabrera never lost Game 6 and Game 7 at Fenway.
I'm juiced.
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