:wow MVPau

[Brazil]

he would have been a great spurs... oh well...

[ambchang]

Even in TOSB status, MVPau still appreciated around the league.

http://www.nba.com/news/features/john_schuhmann/nba-com-2014-15-gm-survey/index.html#predictions

Which one player acquisition will make the biggest impact?
1. LeBron James, Cleveland -- 96.3%
2. Pau Gasol, Chicago -- 3.7%
Last year: Dwight Howard -- 86.2%

What was the most underrated player acquisition?
1. Tyson Chandler, Dallas -- 17.9%
2. Omer Asik, New Orleans -- 14.3%
Spencer Hawes, L.A. Clippers -- 14.3%
4. Pau Gasol, Chicago -- 7.1%
Paul Pierce, Washington -- 7.1%
Also receiving votes: Arron Afflalo, Denver; Bojan Bogdanovic, Brooklyn; Channing Frye, Orlando; James Johnson, Toronto; Shawn Marion, Cleveland; Nikola Mirotic, Chicago; Jameer Nelson, Dallas; Lance Stephenson, Charlotte; Andrew Wiggins, Minnesota; Marvin Williams, Charlotte; Thaddeus Young, Minnesota
Last year: Jrue Holiday, Andrei Kirilenko, Luis Scola -- 10.0%

[Killakobe81]

I like Pau in the Chi ... I wish him well. Heck this Lakers team could use him desperately ...

But ... LOL polls.
Last year: Dwight Howard 86%, smh quality poll will hold up under scrutiny ...

[ambchang]

I like Pau in the Chi ... I wish him well. Heck this Lakers team could use him desperately ...

But ... LOL polls.
Last year: Dwight Howard 86%, smh quality poll will hold up under scrutiny ...

Not that bad, because last year Howard WAS the biggest acquisition. Who else would have taken that spot instead, even with the benefit of hindsight?

[Killakobe81]

Not that bad, because last year Howard WAS the biggest acquisition. Who else would have taken that spot instead, even with the benefit of hindsight?

Biggest impact? they lost in the first round with him and lost in the first round the year before. so if we talk about the actual question was who had/would have the biggest impact. It was a great pickup for Rox even my Dwight hate cannot deny that. But in the big scheme they were non contenders which I said from day one. And they STILL are non contenders. a year later.

Still a shitty poll. YEs MVpau makes their offense better. But Gibson has that aggression we often wish Pau had. if we could put Taj's fight in Pau we would have ... Prime Tim Duncan Tbh ... and there will be times they should play Gibson over Pau. But even Pau/Gibson is not a bad front-court. IF TT is such a brilliant coach he better maximize the talent they have.

[djohn2oo8]

Biggest impact? they lost in the first round with him and lost in the first round the year before. so if we talk about the actual question was who had/would have the biggest impact. It was a great pickup for Rox even my Dwight hate cannot deny that. But in the big scheme they were non contenders which I said from day one. And they STILL are non contenders. a year later.

Still a shitty poll. YEs MVpau makes their offense better. But Gibson has that aggression we often wish Pau had. if we could put Taj's fight in Pau we would have ... Prime Tim Duncan Tbh ... and there will be times they should play Gibson over Pau. But even Pau/Gibson is not a bad front-court. IF TT is such a brilliant coach he better maximize the talent they have.
They won the most games in franchise history last year. That was his impact. They are not non contenders because of talent. It's because of coaching.

[ambchang]

Biggest impact? they lost in the first round with him and lost in the first round the year before. so if we talk about the actual question was who had/would have the biggest impact. It was a great pickup for Rox even my Dwight hate cannot deny that. But in the big scheme they were non contenders which I said from day one. And they STILL are non contenders. a year later.

Still a shitty poll. YEs MVpau makes their offense better. But Gibson has that aggression we often wish Pau had. if we could put Taj's fight in Pau we would have ... Prime Tim Duncan Tbh ... and there will be times they should play Gibson over Pau. But even Pau/Gibson is not a bad front-court. IF TT is such a brilliant coach he better maximize the talent they have.

So if not dwight, who else?

As for MVPau tough to have any fight when you walk on egg shells all day worrying about getting blamed.

[Killakobe81]

So if not dwight, who else?

As for MVPau tough to have any fight when you walk on egg shells all day worrying about getting blamed.

We all know Pau is highly skilled. One of the most skilled bigs of his era in regards to passing and true post play. Your defense of his "lack of dog" makes no sense. If he played with more "verve" he wouldnt need to walk on eggshells. Even in his absolute prime best, Pau could have used more fight in him. IF Pau, was aggressive in his prime he would have been an even greater player for the Spanish national team and they would not have choked some international tournaments.

I dont blame Pau for Laker losses for me that is on the head coach and the best player since they get the most credit. Pau may have disappeared in 2011 versus the Mavs (for example)...but Kobe was not elite either ,,, so for me RC outcoaching PJ and Dirk outplaying Kobe are the main reasons (also hot Mavs shooting) we lost.

Pau deserves his jersey hanging at Staples ...but dont act as though his lack of aggression (at times) was not a problem in Memphis and L.A. in fact playing with Noah, Gibson for TT is probably the best thing for him. dont get me wrong the coaches could have done a better job featuring him more ...but a more aggressive player (and Kobe has said this to Pau and in media) wouldnt wait for that, they would demand the rock.

[Killakobe81]

They won the most games in franchise history last year. That was his impact. They are not non contenders because of talent. It's because of coaching.

Easy to blame McHale for everything. Just like Laker fans do with Jimbo. Dwight was amazing in the playoffs and pretty good in the season. Like i said last year and will say again this year AS CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED the Rox are NOT CONTENDERS. I said it last year and you said I was blinded by Dwight hate. Even DPG jumped on your side. Yes, Kevin is part of the problem, he sucks. But RC and Pop aint winning with that team either. Im guessing you dont lose to the Blazers with better coaching but you still werent beating the spurs, clips OKC.

I think right now Spurs, Clips, healthy OKC Mavs and Warriors are all better teams than Rox just like last year. Rox are on par with Grizz, Blazers, Suns. One of those teams is missing the playoffs I think you guys make it. but now you facing Mavs/Warriors at best or Spurs Clips at worst. you guys are on tap for another first round loss. But after a couple meaningless regular seasons wins vs spurs you and the chicken shot portion of the spur crew will argue that you have a shot ... You don't. It could be worse and you could miss the playoffs like my Lakeshow. And you probably beat our ass a few times, so you have that.

[djohn2oo8]

Easy to blame McHale for everything. Just like Laker fans do with Jimbo. Dwight was amazing in the playoffs and pretty good in the season. Like i said last year and will say again this year AS CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED the Rox are NOT CONTENDERS. I said it last year and you said I was blinded by Dwight hate. Even DPG jumped on your side. Yes, Kevin is part of the problem, he sucks. But RC and Pop aint winning with that team either. Im guessing you dont lose to the Blazers with better coaching but you still werent beating the spurs, clips OKC.

I think right now Spurs, Clips, healthy OKC Mavs and Warriors are all better teams than Rox just like last year. Rox are on par with Grizz, Blazers, Suns. One of those teams is missing the playoffs I think you guys make it. but now you facing Mavs/Warriors at best or Spurs Clips at worst. you guys are on tap for another first round loss. But after a win vs spurs you and the chicken shot portion of the spur crew will argue that you have a shot. You don't. It could be worse and you could miss the playoffs like my Lakeshow.

With better coaching there is no telling how far they could go. They don't necessarily need to keep adding, they need to develop players like Terrance Jones. McHale isn't just bad, he is the worst. Playoffs are about adjustments. Shaking his head violently at every bad play like he has a terrible case of lice is not coaching. Also, it is on record his entire coaching staff were hyperventalating in 4th quarters of those games. No bullshit.

[Killakobe81]

With better coaching there is no telling how far they could go. They don't necessarily need to keep adding, they need to develop players like Terrance Jones. McHale isn't just bad, he is the worst. Playoffs are about adjustments. Shaking his head violently at every bad play like he has a terrible case of lice is not coaching. Also, it is on record his entire coaching staff were hyperventalating in 4th quarters of those games. No bullshit.

I like Jone's potential. and though I think Morey outthinks himself (same as Cuban) as most analytics guys do. He has drafted great tradeable assets. He has traded for and landed a big star, tough to blame Morey at all tbh. I like Parsons but do think he was overpaid at time of deal. Now, the cap goes up and maybe it wasnt so bad. But at the time I thought Mnorey was wise not to match. Ariza is a better defender has been on a title team and you NEED that level of defense in your starting lineup ... he and Beverly along with dwight give you three strong defenders and Pat Beverly even looks a bit better on offense. Even if you lose in the first round you wont go down easy. Even if you take step back, (record wise) I actually see improvement from Pat, and Harden as positives for building a real contender going forward, if Harden plays defense like he did for Coach K at times for team USA.

And I said Kevin sucks. It's a bit surprising the vet staff Kevin had (wasnt Sampson on your staff) would also choke ...it's too bad Dwight and SVG already had a bad relationship I think he would have been the perfect fit for your team. Still wouldnt win title but a WCF would be possible if things broke right.

[djohn2oo8]

Yeah. However if they were to add any pieces, it should be a starting PF, just someone who can rebound and hit a jumpshot. And some scoring off the bench. Need a backup PG. Also, Troy Daniels I like alot.

[Killakobe81]

Yeah. However if they were to add any pieces, it should be a starting PF, just someone who can rebound and hit a jumpshot. And some scoring off the bench. Need a backup PG. Also, Troy Daniels I like alot.

And I dont give my assessment to be cruel. Yes I hate conmanD12 ...but just being honest. I have family in Houston, I make this argument all the time. They say it's cuz I hate Dwight or what about your Lakers. Neither have anything to do with my thoughts. I am back coaching (assistant) academy/elite teams here Dallas.

It has changed my perspective a bit. Im just giving b-ball takes. Winning a title is hard. Look how great Harden looked for USA when he was not the #1 or having to create all the offense? Would Bosh as your #3 made you a title contender? Probably. But I still think you guys will be legit contenders and finals favorites if you can place Dwight and Beard as #2's and #3's. I know that is tough and that means you need Durant, Blake or some other elite star ...but if we talking titles that is what is needed. So getting Bosh would have given false hope and got you closer but probably not a title.

[ambchang]

We all know Pau is highly skilled. One of the most skilled bigs of his era in regards to passing and true post play. Your defense of his "lack of dog" makes no sense. If he played with more "verve" he wouldnt need to walk on eggshells. Even in his absolute prime best, Pau could have used more fight in him. IF Pau, was aggressive in his prime he would have been an even greater player for the Spanish national team and they would not have choked some international tournaments.

I dont blame Pau for Laker losses for me that is on the head coach and the best player since they get the most credit. Pau may have disappeared in 2011 versus the Mavs (for example)...but Kobe was not elite either ,,, so for me RC outcoaching PJ and Dirk outplaying Kobe are the main reasons (also hot Mavs shooting) we lost.

Pau deserves his jersey hanging at Staples ...but dont act as though his lack of aggression (at times) was not a problem in Memphis and L.A. in fact playing with Noah, Gibson for TT is probably the best thing for him. dont get me wrong the coaches could have done a better job featuring him more ...but a more aggressive player (and Kobe has said this to Pau and in media) wouldnt wait for that, they would demand the rock.

Memphis had their best years with MVPau and a bunch of scrubs until their recent version, which included fat Gasol, Randolph and a bunch of top notch perimeter defenders on the team. MVPau single handedly brought respectability to that franchise after years and years of Sterling-Clippers level of doormattedness.

The Spanish National team is by far the BEST Spanish national team ever, thanks to MVPau. In fact, even in his TOSB stage, he did great in the tournament this year.

His lack of aggression can have a direct line to Kobe continuously throwing unfounded barbs at him through the media to a) make his own contributions seem more important in the winning years, and b) pass the blame to MVPau when the Lakers were under performing.

MVPau was pushed out of the lane in the Dallas series to make room for Bynumite, and willingly sacrificed his own game for the greater good of the team. Too bad Kobe still managed to shoot the Mavs out of the series, not to mention a couple of famous chokes. MVPau is such a great team player.

[Killakobe81]

Memphis had their best years with MVPau and a bunch of scrubs until their recent version, which included fat Gasol, Randolph and a bunch of top notch perimeter defenders on the team. MVPau single handedly brought respectability to that franchise after years and years of Sterling-Clippers level of doormattedness.

The Spanish National team is by far the BEST Spanish national team ever, thanks to MVPau. In fact, even in his TOSB stage, he did great in the tournament this year.

His lack of aggression can have a direct line to Kobe continuously throwing unfounded barbs at him through the media to a) make his own contributions seem more important in the winning years, and b) pass the blame to MVPau when the Lakers were under performing.

MVPau was pushed out of the lane in the Dallas series to make room for Bynumite, and willingly sacrificed his own game for the greater good of the team. Too bad Kobe still managed to shoot the Mavs out of the series, not to mention a couple of famous chokes. MVPau is such a great team player.

You are so full of shit. No one is denying Pau's impact on the Lakers, Memphis or Spanish National team. It is just a true fact that as great a team-mate as he is, sometimes he defers or avoids physicality too much. You blame Kobe and or his cult for why he was.is passive why no single playoff win (pre Kobe)? I do hope the bulls do well but he is playing with a very unselfish team that definitely needs his post play. Let's see how it shakes out when things get tough inside.

Again I love Pau's game. I like Kobe too but has shitty shot selection. Pau could use more aggressiveness. Saying that is not a slam on Pau. it's an honest critique of his game. Kobe should eliminate some of the tough shots he takes Pau should "force things a bit more. Would rather see Pau do that then take his passive aggressive mode he takes at times. in fact, even though Pau is better than Marc ...if he had his brother's temperament he would be better served.

You seem to be in love with Pau and must defend at every turn. Again, take Kobe out of it ... do you think Pau would not benefit from a bit more fire?

BTW, my older son Plays like Pau. A tall slender pass first big, he doesnt play with enough force. good passer. Not as great a shooter or post player like Pau, but his coach told him after his last game he needs to be more aggressive. It's a bad trait (passive) to have no matter how skilled you are. And I wonder if by raising him in suburbs of Stone Oak (SA) and Frisco (DFW) is part of the problem. Like it or not the inner city kids play with much more force. In fact the higher your skill level, you hurt your team by not utilizing that skill because you lack aggression. My son is also a great team-mate like Pau. I just wish he had more fight. But hey I did have him watch Pau's footwork passing, and how he does a great job of keeping the ball high, when pass shoots or rebounds. Just a great fundamental player A TRUE TREAT TO WATCH when attacking. But he needs a Kobe/noah /gibson at his side because he lacks "force". Phil used to remind him of that ALL the time ...

[Clipper Nation]

:lol at Killa trying to spin MVPau being a good teammate as MVPau being "passive"

[Killakobe81]

CN, about to drop some shitty take, Kobe bomb, MVpau troll job or suck off Lebron Amb or all the above ...:corn:

[Killakobe81]

Ha, he beat my reply ...^

[ambchang]

You are so full of shit. No one is denying Pau's impact on the Lakers, Memphis or Spanish National team. It is just a true fact that as great a team-mate as he is, sometimes he defers or avoids physicality too much. You blame Kobe and or his cult for why he was.is passive why no single playoff win (pre Kobe)? I do hope the bulls do well but he is playing with a very unselfish team that definitely needs his post play. Let's see how it shakes out when things get tough inside.

I am not saying MVPau is the second coming of Maurice Lucas, but the dude played some pretty rough games in his days, and passed with flying colours. His game is a finesse game, but it's not a soft game, he didn't assert himself at all time because he was tired of all that soft talk by uneducated Kobestans and the media though (that's my theory). He played hard in Memphis, in the first few years in LA, last year with Kobe out, and with the Spanish National team, but he clearly was sulking and in the "I don't care" mode during 2010 to 2013.

And blaming him not playing hard causing the Griz to not win a single game? Are you kidding me? How about having Mike Miller and Shane Battier as his best teammates in the ultra tough Western Conference? You know, the same conference where Kobe couldn't even make the playoffs with Caron Butler and Lamar Odom, or make it out of first round with Odom, Bynum and Phil Jackson?


Again I love Pau's game. I like Kobe too but has shitty shot selection. Pau could use more aggressiveness. Saying that is not a slam on Pau. it's an honest critique of his game. Kobe should eliminate some of the tough shots he takes Pau should "force things a bit more. Would rather see Pau do that then take his passive aggressive mode he takes at times. in fact, even though Pau is better than Marc ...if he had his brother's temperament he would be better served.

He wouldn't, because every time he takes a shot, it's a shot away from Kobe, and Kobe will tell him to put his big boys pants on and start passing him the ball so that he can go after Jordan's scoring record.


You seem to be in love with Pau and must defend at every turn. Again, take Kobe out of it ... do you think Pau would not benefit from a bit more fire?

Everyone would benefit with more fire. You can even say that for Kobe. It's not like there is a maximum level for fire.


BTW, my older son Plays like Pau. A tall slender pass first big, he doesnt play with enough force. good passer. Not a great shooter or post player like Pau, but his coach told him after his last game he needs to be more aggressive. It's a bad trait (passive) to have no matter how skilled you are. And I wonder if by raising him in suburbs of Stone Oak (SA) and Frisco (DFW) is part of the problem. Like it or not the inner city kids play with much more force. In fact the higher your skill level, you hurt your team by not utilizing that skill because you lack aggression. My son is also a great team-mate like Pau. I just wish he had more fight. But hey I did have him watch Pau's footwork passing, and how he does a great job of keeping the ball high, when pass shoots or rebounds. Just a great fundamental player A TRUE TREAT TO WATCH when attacking. But he needs a Kobe/noah /gibson at his side because he lacks "force". Phil used to remind him of that ALL the time ...

Passing the ball doesn't mean passive. Walton, Shaq, and Duncan are some of the best passing big men the league has ever seen, but they will never be seen as passive. Passiveness usually rears its ugly head on defense, and only for staying out of the paint area after a couple of shoves.

[Killakobe81]

I am not saying MVPau is the second coming of Maurice Lucas, but the dude played some pretty rough games in his days, and passed with flying colours. His game is a finesse game, but it's not a soft game, he didn't assert himself at all time because he was tired of all that soft talk by uneducated Kobestans and the media though (that's my theory). He played hard in Memphis, in the first few years in LA, last year with Kobe out, and with the Spanish National team, but he clearly was sulking and in the "I don't care" mode during 2010 to 2013.

And blaming him not playing hard causing the Griz to not win a single game? Are you kidding me? How about having Mike Miller and Shane Battier as his best teammates in the ultra tough Western Conference? You know, the same conference where Kobe couldn't even make the playoffs with Caron Butler and Lamar Odom, or make it out of first round with Odom, Bynum and Phil Jackson?



He wouldn't, because every time he takes a shot, it's a shot away from Kobe, and Kobe will tell him to put his big boys pants on and start passing him the ball so that he can go after Jordan's scoring record.



Everyone would benefit with more fire. You can even say that for Kobe. It's not like there is a maximum level for fire.



Passing the ball doesn't mean passive. Walton, Shaq, and Duncan are some of the best passing big men the league has ever seen, but they will never be seen as passive. Passiveness usually rears its ugly head on defense, and only for staying out of the paint area after a couple of shoves.

1. Asked you take Kobe out, but of course for you that's not possible.
2. Who cares what Kobe wants/thinks? We are talking about Pau. Part of being a great team-mate is demanding the ball when you have an advantage.
3. Pau was great in some tough games 2010 Game 7 is a great example, but part of that was bynum occupying (and taking out Perk). You say he sacrficed to allow Bynum in the paint without bynum's and Artest's force we dont win that year. Despite the skill of Kobe/Pau. But he also lacked force for Memphis, Lakers and the spanish team. I already posted some great examples of this I dont want to bash Pau here so if you need it you can find them easy. There are some major international tournaments that spain was favored and lost Pau was big reason.
4. Of course there is no maximum but if you cannot see that as a fault in Pau's game dont knwo what to tell you. Shaq's lack of dedication to fitness and craft (plus FT's) was his. Magic could not defend quick PG's. Kobe's bad shot selection. Worth kept the ball too low when spinning middle and got stripped a lot. Kareem would sometimes fail to block out his big part of why he struggled with Moses and Hakeem at times. All great Lakers all have faults. You keep making excuses for him being passive but that is the world you live in so I will let that go.
5. Again being passive on offense is very real and tangible. Kobe in game 7 vs. PHX. Pau in 2008. chris Paul game 7 vs. Spurs. Lebron in 2010 vs. Celts all passive imho.

[ambchang]

1. Asked you take Kobe out, but of course for you that's not possible.

Fine substitute Kobe for Tim Duncan. Point still stands.


2. Who cares what Kobe wants/thinks? We are talking about Pau. Part of being a great team-mate is demanding the ball when you have an advantage.

Of course he does, otherwise he will be exiled to some other teams. Everybody wants to play in LA. Why would he undermine his chances of staying on the team? You think he wants to be another one of the victims and be thrown under the bus?


3. Pau was great in some tough games 2010 Game 7 is a great example, but part of that was bynum occupying (and taking out Perk). You say he sacrficed to allow Bynum in the paint without bynum's and Artest's force we dont win that year. Despite the skill of Kobe/Pau. But he also lacked force for Memphis, Lakers and the spanish team. I already posted some great examples of this I dont want to bash Pau here so if you need it you can find them easy. There are some major international tournaments that spain was favored and lost Pau was big reason.

There are many cases the Lakers were favoured and lost, does that mean Kobe lacks fire? Makes no sense.


4. Of course there is no maximum but if you cannot see that as a fault in Pau's game dont knwo what to tell you. Shaq's lack of dedication to fitness and craft (plus FT's) was his. Magic could not defend quick PG's. Kobe's bad shot selection. Worth kept the ball too low when spinning middle and got stripped a lot. Kareem would sometimes fail to block out his big part of why he struggled with Moses and Hakeem at times. All great Lakers all have faults. You keep making excuses for him being passive but that is the world you live in so I will let that go.

I am saying his passiveness is a direct result of being afraid to be thrown under the bus. I am not saying his passiveness is not an issue.


5. Again being passive on offense is very real and tangible. Kobe in game 7 vs. PHX. Pau in 2008. chris Paul game 7 vs. Spurs. Lebron in 2010 vs. Celts all passive imho.

Kobe in Game 7 was very aggressive, just aggressively sending a point.

Pau in 2008 took his game out of the game.

CP3 got bottled by Bowen.

Lebron was the focus of the entire Boston team, he should be passing those shots.

[Killakobe81]

Fine substitute Kobe for Tim Duncan. Point still stands.



Of course he does, otherwise he will be exiled to some other teams. Everybody wants to play in LA. Why would he undermine his chances of staying on the team? You think he wants to be another one of the victims and be thrown under the bus?



There are many cases the Lakers were favoured and lost, does that mean Kobe lacks fire? Makes no sense.



I am saying his passiveness is a direct result of being afraid to be thrown under the bus. I am not saying his passiveness is not an issue.



Kobe in Game 7 was very aggressive, just aggressively sending a point.

Pau in 2008 took his game out of the game.

CP3 got bottled by Bowen.

Lebron was the focus of the entire Boston team, he should be passing those shots.

1. Not saying that those Spanish team losses are ALL on him. but before the development of Ibaka and his brother Pau was the stud of that ESP national team and as such had a responsibilty to stay aggressive because when you are the best player your team feeds off that. In fact I tell my best player (mostly PG's) that if I trust them with the rock it's their responsibilty to go hard every game.

2. I think anyone would agree that overall Pau plays basketball the right way especially on offense but even his defense is a bit underrated. He plays tall at the rim even if he lacks force at times. He is a top 5 passing big man even as he ages a capable shooter and on the block as a pivot maybe only Al Jeff and Duncan are clearly better. I just want more "force". Hard to describe, if yo dont play or coach but if you watch him play you see it on boards, rim protection etc.

3. Being agressive doesnt mean you take Swaggy P/Kobe/Crawford hero shots. but you can aggressively attack and then dish. Paul vs. Spurs, Lebron in 2010 and that guys vs. PHX sould all have done other things with force to have a more of an impact.

4. Pau's greatest success has primarily come as a #2. He is not built to be MVPau no matter how much you want that to be truth to denigrate the other player. Kobe also needed him too or his light two rings.

5. Nothing you have said changes my point. You just are making excuses for his passive play which you freely admit is just opinion. Which is why I pointed at the national team games. Where he was the clear star, no Kobe, yet he still for some reason falls in to that passive zone from time to time. If he just sucked like Boozer or had not shown he CAN play with force. I would not care. But I like Pau and wanted him to be his best. I still do. Not sure who I would rather see win out East Love (UCLA!) or Pau (laker great). He was the perfect Kobe partner because he did not need to shoot a great deal to have an impact and we all know Kobe is shot hungry. But he does not need your excuses.

[ambchang]

1. Not saying that those Spanish team losses are ALL on him. but before the development of Ibaka and his brother Pau was the stud of that ESP national team and as such had a responsibilty to stay aggressive because when you are the best player your team feeds off that. In fact I tell my best player (mostly PG's) that if I trust them with the rock it's their responsibilty to go hard every game.

You reaching dawg, are you saying that the Spanish National team underperformed before Ibaka and Fat Gasol came to their own? Of course the Spanish National team couldn't make any noise without them, because they were extremely important to the success of the team. You expecting MVPau to roll the three of them into one and dominate like prime Wilt vs. team Angola?


2. I think anyone would agree that overall Pau plays basketball the right way especially on offense but even his defense is a bit underrated. He plays tall at the rim even if he lacks force at times. He is a top 5 passing big man even as he ages a capable shooter and on the block as a pivot maybe only Al Jeff and Duncan are clearly better. I just want more "force". Hard to describe, if yo dont play or coach but if you watch him play you see it on boards, rim protection etc.

MVPau is decent defensively, but there are limitations, he is not the best in the world, not the worst in the world, but he's definitely above average, or can even be a vital piece of the defense.

As for offense, his post play is one of the best, extremely skilled player who knows when to shoot and when to pass.


3. Being agressive doesnt mean you take Swaggy P/Kobe/Crawford hero shots. but you can aggressively attack and then dish. Paul vs. Spurs, Lebron in 2010 and that guys vs. PHX sould all have done other things with force to have a more of an impact.

Why not use those teammates around you? Duncan does that year after year, but nobody ever said he's not aggressive, because the Spurs win. if the Lakers won, nobody will be talking about MVPau not being aggressive enough. In fact, name me one superstar who is NOT aggressive enough in a series win.


4. Pau's greatest success has primarily come as a #2. He is not built to be MVPau no matter how much you want that to be truth to denigrate the other player. Kobe also needed him too or his light two rings.

He's got #2 personality, #1 talent.


5. Nothing you have said changes my point. You just are making excuses for his passive play which you freely admit is just opinion. Which is why I pointed at the national team games. Where he was the clear star, no Kobe, yet he still for some reason falls in to that passive zone from time to time. If he just sucked like Boozer or had not shown he CAN play with force. I would not care. But I like Pau and wanted him to be his best. I still do. Not sure who I would rather see win out East Love (UCLA!) or Pau (laker great). He was the perfect Kobe partner because he did not need to shoot a great deal to have an impact and we all know Kobe is shot hungry. But he does not need your excuses.

MVPau was the clear #1 on those highly successful teams.

[Killakobe81]

You reaching dawg, are you saying that the Spanish National team underperformed before Ibaka and Fat Gasol came to their own? Of course the Spanish National team couldn't make any noise without them, because they were extremely important to the success of the team. You expecting MVPau to roll the three of them into one and dominate like prime Wilt vs. team Angola?



MVPau is decent defensively, but there are limitations, he is not the best in the world, not the worst in the world, but he's definitely above average, or can even be a vital piece of the defense.

As for offense, his post play is one of the best, extremely skilled player who knows when to shoot and when to pass.



Why not use those teammates around you? Duncan does that year after year, but nobody ever said he's not aggressive, because the Spurs win. if the Lakers won, nobody will be talking about MVPau not being aggressive enough. In fact, name me one superstar who is NOT aggressive enough in a series win.



He's got #2 personality, #1 talent.



MVPau was the clear #1 on those highly successful teams.

1. no he was not a clear #1 ...That is why you take every chance to argue the opposite. It's why despite Duncan haveing an obvious advantage after 5 you still bother going through the shenanigans you do on here. If it was clear why do you argue?

2. Are you that ignorant of international ball? Pau had plenty of NBA caliber international talent. These were the guys that tried out in 2007 One year before he joined the Lakers. As Argentina aged SPain was the clear favorites yet they were beat by Kirilenko and Dirk led teams with far less NBA talent in Euro Basket and FIBA world championships ...
Again not knocking him, but your excuses are weak here. You pin it all on Kobe, stans or media but until he won with Kobe, Phil and Fish he couldnt even win in FIBA as a#1. It has nothing to do with Pau not having great talent he just is better suited because he is not agressive enough to be a #1 on a team that is trying to contend for ANY championship here or overseas.

BTW, he was really good the past few years for FIBA ...could mean abounce back year with Bulls, I hope it does.

Spain:

PG:
- José Manuel Calderón*
- Sergio Rodríguez*
- Ricky Rubio

SG:
- Juan Carlos Navarro*
- Rudy Fernández*
- Berni Rodríguez*


SF:
- Carlos Jiménez*
- Alex Mumbru*
- Sergi Vidal

PF/C:
- Pau Gasol*
- Jorge Garbajosa*
- Felipe Reyes*
- Marc Gasol*
- Fran Vázquez

2007 Euro Basket invitations ...recognize any of those names?

[ambchang]

1. no he was not a clear #1 ...That is why you take every chance to argue the opposite. It's why despite Duncan haveing an obvious advantage after 5 you still bother going through the shenanigans you do on here. If it was clear why do you argue?

2. Are you that ignorant of international ball? Pau had plenty of NBA caliber international talent. These were the guys that tried out in 2007 One year before he joined the Lakers. As Argentina aged SPain was the clear favorites yet they were beat by Kirilenko and Dirk led teams with far less NBA talent in Euro Basket and FIBA world championships ...
Again not knocking him, but your excuses are weak here. You pin it all on Kobe, stans or media but until he won with Kobe, Phil and Fish he couldnt even win in FIBA as a#1. It has nothing to do with Pau not having great talent he just is better suited because he is not agressive enough to be a #1 on a team that is trying to contend for ANY championship here or overseas.

BTW, he was really good the past few years for FIBA ...could mean abounce back year with Bulls, I hope it does.

Spain:

PG:
- José Manuel Calderón*
- Sergio Rodríguez*
- Ricky Rubio

SG:
- Juan Carlos Navarro*
- Rudy Fernández*
- Berni Rodríguez*


SF:
- Carlos Jiménez*
- Alex Mumbru*
- Sergi Vidal

PF/C:
- Pau Gasol*
- Jorge Garbajosa*
- Felipe Reyes*
- Marc Gasol*
- Fran Vázquez

2007 Euro Basket invitations ...recognize any of those names?

Any of those can claim to be the #1 over Pau Gasol.

PG:
- José Manuel Calderón*- Where did he lead Toronto and Dallas
- Sergio Rodríguez* - Great promise, but ended up a journeyman
- Ricky Rubio - :lol was he 12 back in 2007?

SG:
- Juan Carlos Navarro* - Good player too bad he didn't stick around the league. But he's not even the best Navarro, Dave Navarro kicks ass.
- Rudy Fernández* - Is this guy supposed to be the new Manu? More like the new manure
- Berni Rodríguez* - Waiting for his NBA debut


SF:
- Carlos Jiménez* - Waiting for his NBA debut
- Alex Mumbru* - Waiting for his NBA debut
- Sergi Vidal - Waiting for his NBA debut

PF/C:
- Pau Gasol* - MVPau GOAT!
- Jorge Garbajosa* - was this before or after his crippling leg injury that rendered him useless the rest of his career?
- Felipe Reyes* - Waiting for his NBA debut
- Marc Gasol* - So good he got drafted in the 2nd round, and didn't even became good until 2 years later.
- Fran Vázquez - So good he doesn't even have to guts to come to the NBA

And :lol about Rubio, how old was he then? 12?

[Killakobe81]

Amb I'm done pau can do no wrong it's the media, Kobe and us mean ungrateful Lakers fans are why Pau plays with lack of force from time to time. Sure some of those guys were not great in nba but they were not facing the 85 Lakers or 86 Lakers either internationally those were very good teams.

[Medvedenko]

Bottom Line: Pau became a pussy and the Lakers tried to trade him 2 years in a row. He knew this and turned into a bigger pussy while playing. When Kobe was out all season, what did he do....nothing. Hopefully he can turn it around on the Bulls. This doesn't take anything away from the 2 rings he got while in LA as the 2nd option. Nothing wrong with that.

[ambchang]

There we go again. Blame goes to MVPau when the lakers don't win. He's soft when we lose, but not when we do. This is using the results to justify your claims.

Besides, isn't Kobe the leader of the team? Why can't he make MVPau mentally stronger? Isn't that what leaders do?

[midnightpulp]

Just keeps trucking along like it's nothing. 21 and 11.

[Killakobe81]

Happy for Pau hope they or Cavs or Knicks make or win Finals

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjPb7VHBEro

[Infinite_limit]

Watching my recording now. REALLY REALLY liking Pau Gasol. He's a Champion at every level he's played and the fire still burns inside. Lakers had no choice because he needed a change of scenery and thus i'm grateful to the Lakers for that. He made a tremondous decision coming to Chicago over stops like NYK & OKC. Bulls respect and honestly need him

Pau is the first established scorer on the Bulls since Ben Gordon left town (Hamilton over the Hill)

[spurraider21]

Watching my recording now. REALLY REALLY liking Pau Gasol. He's a Champion at every level he's played and the fire still burns inside. Lakers had no choice because he needed a change of scenery and thus i'm grateful to the Lakers for that. He made a tremondous decision coming to Chicago over stops like NYK & OKC. Bulls respect and honestly need him

Pau is the first established scorer on the Bulls since Ben Gordon left town (Hamilton over the Hill)
it had nothing to do with the laker's choice. the lakers made him the biggest offer

[ambchang]

MVPau continuing his trend turning pretenders into contenders.

[Bill_Brasky]

Oh look Pau shitting on niggas as soon as he gets away from a toxic situation. Who knew.

[Clipper Nation]

MVPau still the alpha :worthy:

[Infinite_limit]

it had nothing to do with the laker's choice. the lakers made him the biggest offer
Oh okay. So Boozer was sort of a you help us and we'll help you situation?

[Splits]

Pau was unrestricted and took less to go to the Bulls. Boozer was amnestied and the Lakers "won" his rights by being the highest bidder. The two signings were mutually exclusive.

[spurraider21]

Oh okay. So Boozer was sort of a you help us and we'll help you situation?
no. the bulls hadn't amnestied Boozer, they would only have the midlevel exception to offer. If the MLE was Pau's only offer, the Spurs were his team of choice. the only way Chicago could up the offer was by amnestying Boozer, which they did. The Lakers claiming Boozer is pure luck. Teams enter blind bids and highest bid claims the player. The Lakers were dumb enough to actually make a bid :lol

[djohn2oo8]

lol at the Lakers managing to trade Pau and Dwight for nothing.

[Raven]

may just be one game, but he really looked like the shit.

[ambchang]

22 points on only 14 shots, to go along 14 rebounds. 18.8/10.6/2.2 so far this year.

Not to mention 4-1.

MVPau doing MVPau things.

[Splits]

27/11/2/3 in 35 minutes

Can't believe this scra led that shitty Lakers team to 27 wins last year, with a worse squad than Kirby is working with this year.

Pretty pissed he didn't come to SA, could have gotten another ring, tbh

http://i.imgur.com/hz6hVqb.png

[hater]

Elnono with the gods imo

Damn if this niga had come to SA. Nigas would n be linking up to slobber that cock upstairs imo

[spurraider21]

not to mention 2.4 blocks per

[MI21]

Duncan/Gasol/Splitter/Diaw as the front court for the Spurs with Parker/Gino/Mill/Green/Beli in the backcourt and that nigga Kawhi at SF... NBA would have been fucked, tbh

[Malik Hairston]

Duncan/Gasol/Splitter/Diaw as the front court for the Spurs with Parker/Gino/Mill/Green/Beli in the backcourt and that nigga Kawhi at SF... NBA would have been fucked, tbh

It was never going to happen, tbh, despite Gasol pretending like there was a real chance..

He would have had to come off the bench and play limited minutes, since he wouldn't be able to play with Duncan from a defensive standpoint..

In Chicago, he's essentially the #1 option since Rose can't even play a full game anymore..

[MI21]

It was never going to happen, tbh, despite Gasol pretending like there was a real chance..

He would have had to come off the bench and play limited minutes, since he wouldn't be able to play with Duncan from a defensive standpoint..

In Chicago, he's essentially the #1 option since Rose can't even play a full game anymore..

I never thought it would happen either, been a Spur fan for to long to expect big names to come to town.

I think they would have figured it out, not like there isn't a lot of minutes to be had as a Spurs bench player. He could play next to Diaw or Splitter, tbh.

[Malik Hairston]

533104320972324864

[spurraider21]

It was never going to happen, tbh, despite Gasol pretending like there was a real chance..

He would have had to come off the bench and play limited minutes, since he wouldn't be able to play with Duncan from a defensive standpoint..

In Chicago, he's essentially the #1 option since Rose can't even play a full game anymore..
Chicago was really hesitant to fork over the cash and amnesty boozer. if Gasol's only offer was the MLE, the spurs were his preference iirc.

the game changed when the reports came out (not TSpence, tbh) that the Bulls were offering more than the MLE, which meant the amnesty was coming

[scanry]

It was never going to happen, tbh, despite Gasol pretending like there was a real chance..

He would have had to come off the bench and play limited minutes, since he wouldn't be able to play with Duncan from a defensive standpoint..

In Chicago, he's essentially the #1 option since Rose can't even play a full game anymore..

I think Pop would've started Duncan & Pau and sub in Diaw for Duncan after 7 mins into the quarter. Duncan minutes are way up this season due to our horrid defense and Splitter's injury. We ought to cut Daye very soon though. He's not an NBA talent.

I don't think Chicago is going anywhere with that offense btw. They could've been successful in the 2000's but not in this era.

[djohn2oo8]

On another note, just saw Marc Gasol to the Spurs happens if Tim retires after this year.

[Kool Bob Love]

On another note, just saw Marc Gasol to the Spurs happens if Tim retires after this year.

Link

[BillMc]

And D'Antoni couldn't find a way to use him....:lol

[Cry Havoc]

:lmao

Lakers FO

:lmao

Kobe

:lmao

Biggest laughingstock in the NBA

:lmao

Still on the hook for a $70,000,000 team that won't win 25 games.

:lmao

[Cry Havoc]

:lmao Spurs paying a total of $200k more than the Lakers :lmao

[djohn2oo8]

Link



Originally Posted by cyberx http://www.clutchfans.net/bbs/images_cfans/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9332096#post9332096)
Gasol to Spurs if Timmy retires.




http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=9332096&postcount=13706

The guy is legit. He works for an agent out of L.A. He also posted info regarding Dwight, Asik ahead of time before national media got it.


http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=238488 (Dwight upset with Lakers, willing to give up 5th year to leave LA)

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=223668 (Bulls won't match Asik)
http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=250906&highlight=cyberx (Rockets, Lakers eye Rondo)
http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=256380 (Gasol to Chicago)

He's legit.

[Kool Bob Love]

^
Thanks brah.

[unleashbaynes]

533104320972324864

paulpha, tbh...

[Raven]

dayum... is he in the mvp conversation tbh?

[Splits]

dayum... is he in the mvp conversation tbh?

No but...

530078848407588865

[Dex]

No but...

530078848407588865

:lmao :lmao :lmao I sincerely hope that is a troll job by Magic, because otherwise that's a whole 'nother level of stupid.

There is no value in leading your team to 1-7. Being the prettiest turd in the toilet bowl doesn't make you any less a turd.

[ambchang]

9 blocks

Just when you think MVPau did it all, he comes up with a career high.

[scanry]

Pau is exposing Joakim tbh. It's gonna cost him a lot of money next summer.

[djohn2oo8]

Pau with 28 and 9 at the half

[Malik Hairston]

Pau with 28 and 9 at the half

:Wow..

[scanry]

Pau with 28 and 9 at the half

:wow

[spursparker9]

Pau with 28 and 9 at the half

wtf ....

[djohn2oo8]

35 and 15 now

[jeebus]

I'm just glad :wow: MVPau got away from the Cancers down in LA.

[djohn2oo8]

40 and 16

[spurraider21]

:lol and the lakers were trying to trade this dude every year instead of dealing the cancer

[Malik Hairston]

If Pau goes for 50, SpursTalk will blow up, tbh:lmao..

[spursparker9]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/57959393.jpg

[Clipper Nation]

Impossible, isn't MVPau a soft pussy beta? That's what Lakerfan always said...

[Clipper Nation]

Killakobe81 LkrFan

[lefty]

Killakobe81 LkrFan

[Malik Hairston]

MVP chants:(..

[timtonymanu]

:cry MVPAU

[jeebus]

46 points :cry

[Blizzardwizard]

Damnit TSpence :cry

[Mugen]

:cry 50+ pages

[ElNono]

:cry but, but Phil tapped him in the chest

[FkLA]

Rapist is the biggest fraud in NBA history.

[DMC]

MVPau, most overlooked superstar player in league history.

[Pelicans78]

Should have been Finals MVP against Boston.

[LkrFan]

***BUMP***

1-7 vs Kevin fucking Love. GasofTTT

[HI-FI]

***BUMP***

1-7 vs Kevin fucking Love. GasofTTT
you deserve the rapist and his bukkaking of the Lakers tbh.

[LkrFan]

you deserve the rapist and his bukkaking of the Lakers tbh.
Sure. I'll also take the 5 titles he brought to LA LA Land. ;)

[HI-FI]

Sure. I'll also take the 5 titles he brought to LA LA Land. ;)
Brought :lol
pretty sure you have to lead the way to do that, not riding bitch.

[hater]

MVPau 2-11 and getting assfucked by Mozgov :lmao

[LkrFan]

Brought :lol
pretty sure you have to lead the way to do that, not riding bitch.

This again? :lol Get some new material. -20 points son.

[HI-FI]

This again? :lol Get some new material. -20 points son.
because you semen shielding Kobe over other lakers is groundbreaking. Minus 25 points and don't forget to tip your coyotaje.

[LkrFan]

because you semen shielding Kobe over other lakers is groundbreaking. Minus 25 points and don't forget to tip your coyotaje.

5 > 4 > 2

[HI-FI]

5 > 4 > 2
(Checks BnrFan's registration date) No importa.

[LkrFan]

(Checks BnrFan's registration date) No importa.
:lol

[ElNono]

All-Star MVPau :wow

Has there been a fastest career turnaround for a player after just switching teams, tbh?

[Splits]

Can't believe how Lakerfan shit all over this guy after he was robbed of 2 fMVPs

[Clipper Nation]

All-Star starter, legitimately (i.e. not via Chinese/Mexican vote-stuffing) and actually playing in the game :worthy:

Killakobe81 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=10786) LkrFan (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=18824)

[LkrFan]

All-Star starter, legitimately (i.e. not via Chinese/Mexican vote-stuffing) and actually playing in the game :worthy:

Killakobe81 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=10786) LkrFan (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=18824)

:lmao

[HI-FI]

Killakobe81 has been pretty honest and legit about Kobe. LkrFan ....he can't but help put the name in the back over the front. supposedly the better one is at raping or cannibalism the more Aztecs see that person as a deity. smdh.

[spurraider21]

Killakobe81 has been pretty honest and legit about Kobe. LkrFan (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=18824) ....he can't but help put the name in the back over the front. supposedly the better one is at raping or cannibalism the more Aztecs see that person as a deity. smdh.
-

[Venti Quattro]

Really happy for Pow

[Venti Quattro]

All-Star starter, legitimately (i.e. not via Chinese/Mexican vote-stuffing) and actually playing in the game :worthy:

Killakobe81 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=10786) LkrFan (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=18824)

Maybe it's the spics who voted them both as starters... or the Catalans crofl

[Bynumite]

MVPau with 12 points and 17 rebounds against jim :hat

Right now it's clearly MVPau>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim and it's not even close.

MVPau didn't even allow jim to stat pad his double-double :lmao 6 points, 7 rebounds :lmao

[Venti Quattro]

MVPau with 12 points and 17 rebounds against jim :hat

Right now it's clearly MVPau>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim and it's not even close.

MVPau didn't even allow jim to stat pad his double-double :lmao 6 points, 7 rebounds :lmao

6 points :lmao :lmao

[ElNono]

Absolutely beast game... how you let an All Star like that just walk away?

[Robz4000]

Man, if the Spurs had landed MVPau, they'd coast to seis.

:lmao Lakers for letting him walk

[ambchang]

MVPau leading his team in the playoffs, per par.

[spurraider21]

MVPau leading his team in the playoffs, per par. Thread

[Clipper Nation]

MVPau = carrying his team on his back to playoff series win, per par

Kirby = missing the playoffs without a generational big man to carry him, per par

[Killakobe81]

MVPau = carrying his team on his back to playoff series win, per par

Kirby = missing the playoffs without a generational big man to carry him, per par

shutup and get your ass back in the gamethread for the CP3/Blake/Doc choke job ...

[Infinite_limit]

http://isportsweb.com/wp-content/uploads//2014/11/Praise-Pau-Gasol.jpg

[ElNono]

Bulls have no shot without MVPau, tbh...

[DMC]

Can someone make a gif of that zoom in on Pau in a suit and tie? That'll be used forever here.

[Clipper Nation]

Derrick Blose can't even win a playoff game without MVPau holding his hand. Neither can Kirbs.

tee, hee.

[ambchang]

Let us all give a big round of applause to MVPau. Playing hurt and giving his all.

Not to mention how the Bulls just totally crumbles without a healthy MVPau. We already knew how dependent the Bulls are on MVPau, but the rest of the world will finally clue in.

:clap

[Thread]

Let us all give a big round of applause to MVPau. Playing hurt and giving his all.

Not to mention how the Bulls just totally crumbles without a healthy MVPau. We already knew how dependent the Bulls are on MVPau, but the rest of the world will finally clue in.

:clap

Pussy & chickenshit set up. Gasol wins you're right. Gasol loses you're right. Typical SF.

[ambchang]

Pussy & chickenshit set up. Gasol wins you're right. Gasol loses you're right. Typical SF.

He's going to be a problem.

Signed, Dale.

[whitemamba]

Funny how all the stat whores run away from the fact that Gasol hasnt done anything without the Kobes. Meh, best luck to Gasol though.

[Thread]

He's going to be a problem.

Signed, Dale.

Absolutely.

[Thread]

Funny how all the stat whores run away from the fact that Gasol hasnt done anything without the Kobes. Meh, best luck to Gasol though.

He won a playoff game(s) without him. That's Pau's claim to fame. That's all there is.

[Splits]

He won a playoff game(s) without him. That's Pau's claim to fame. That's all there is.

An entire series.

http://s1.postimg.org/q49ggz2en/image.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/PrA5bOv.png

[Thread]

An entire series.

http://s1.postimg.org/q49ggz2en/image.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/PrA5bOv.png

& Buss chose well:::

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

[Splits]

& Buss chose well:::

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

We'll never know if that was a wise choice or not. Shaq wasn't replaceable for 6 full years. Kirbs woulda been easy to replace, there we several high-volume chuckers that could have come in and filled that role. Bring in AI for example and Lakers probably have more than just 11.

[Thread]

We'll never know if that was a wise choice or not. Shaq wasn't replaceable for 6 full years. Kirbs woulda been easy to replace, there we several high-volume chuckers that could have come in and filled that role. Bring in AI for example and Lakers probably have more than just 11.

We do know. Kobe has 2 without Daddy---Daddy has 1 without Kobe. 1 NBA Title ain't nothing to sneeze at...you being light that 1 a living testament.

[Splits]

We do know. Kobe has 2 without Daddy---Daddy has 1 without Kobe. 1 NBA Title ain't nothing to sneeze at...you being light that 1 a living testament.

No, we don't. Shaq brought a chip to a franchise that had never won one. If he'd a stuck with the Lakers, who knows. Stern gifted them everything in the aughts.

[Thread]

No, we don't. Shaq brought a chip to a franchise that had never won one. If he'd a stuck with the Lakers, who knows. Stern gifted them everything in the aughts.

I know, but, he didn't stick with the Lakers. Buss ran him off. Result:::

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

[Splits]

I know, but, he didn't stick with the Lakers. Buss ran him off. Result:::

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1


An entire series.

http://s1.postimg.org/q49ggz2en/image.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/PrA5bOv.png

[Thread]

^Boiled down:::

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

[midnightpulp]

Let us all give a big round of applause to MVPau. Playing hurt and giving his all.

Not to mention how the Bulls just totally crumbles without a healthy MVPau. We already knew how dependent the Bulls are on MVPau, but the rest of the world will finally clue in.

:clap

Yep. Just a fantastic player. It's unfortunate he tweaked his hamstring and we didn't get to see him play in 2 games and at full strength for the last game. Tony Allen had the same injury that took him out of a crucial game, but you don't see anyone calling him a "pussy."

[Thread]

Yep. Just a fantastic player. It's unfortunate he tweaked his hamstring and we didn't get to see him play in 2 games and at full strength for the last game. Tony Allen had the same injury that took him out of a crucial game, but you don't see anyone calling him a "pussy."

Crawl, If, crawl!!!!!!!!!

[midnightpulp]

Crawl, If, crawl!!!!!!!!!

Boiled down:

Pau: 2nd round

Kobe sans Pau: Can't figure out how to win 30 games.

[Thread]

Boiled down:

Pau: 2nd round

Kobe sans Pau: Can't figure out how to win 30 games.

If, runnin' just as fast as he can.

[Splits]

If, runnin' just as fast as he can.

Riddle me this. What other "superstar" played his last meaningful game at the ripe age of 33?

[ElNono]

644619768515969026

<3, tbh

[Clipper Nation]

MVPau :worthy:

[TheGreatYacht]

This whole time I thought Kobe was insulting Aldridge, but now I realized what he meant :lol

:cry Be my Pau Gasol :cry

[ambchang]

Sometimes you just have to put everything aside and stand in awe at the absolute dominance of MVPau.

Way past his prime, missing a number of top quality teammates, and still managed will his team to the finals on one of basketballs biggest stage.

Just marvellous. One of the best basketball players of all time.

[Killakobe81]

Sometimes you just have to put everything aside and stand in awe at the absolute dominance of MVPau.

Way past his prime, missing a number of top quality teammates, and still managed will his team to the finals on one of basketballs biggest stage.

Just marvellous. One of the best basketball players of all time.

Pau doing things other bigs couldn't do on the international stage ..wait, I thought international games only meant something when won by Manu? They matter now? Even the losses? Good to know.

Proud of Pau, great player still overrated on here underrated on LG.

[Raven]

Pau doing things other bigs couldn't do on the international stage ..wait, I thought international games only meant something when won by Manu? They matter now? Even the losses? Good to know.

Proud of Pau, great player still overrated on here underrated on LG.
it only doesn't matter if it's involving the USA. Anyway, Pau played against Gobert, the biggest talent at the position in the world, which makes his match even more impressive.

[Killakobe81]

it only doesn't matter if it's involving the USA. Anyway, Pau played against Gobert, the biggest talent at the position in the world, which makes his match even more impressive.

:lol

[ambchang]

Pau doing things other bigs couldn't do on the international stage ..wait, I thought international games only meant something when won by Manu? They matter now? Even the losses? Good to know.

Proud of Pau, great player still overrated on here underrated on LG.

When did anyone say international stage doesn't matter? It's important in evaluating players, taking teammates and competition into consideration.

Manu, MVPau, Oscar Schmidt, Sergei Below, Drazen Petrovic and Arvydis Sabonis are on the same plane, maybe Toni Kukoc.

[DMC]

When did anyone say international stage doesn't matter? It's important in evaluating players, taking teammates and competition into consideration.

Manu, MVPau, Oscar Schmidt, Sergei Below, Drazen Petrovic and Arvydis Sabonis are on the same plane, maybe Toni Kukoc.

That's a lot of people on one plane.

[Raven]

:lol

well it's true, I don't see how can anyone argue that..

[ambchang]

That's a lot of people on one plane.

Is there a limit?

[DMC]

Is there a limit?
130 on the 737

[ambchang]

130 on the 737

Here you go: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plane_(geometry)

[DMC]

Here you go: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plane_(geometry)
https://www.google.com/search?q=plane&biw=1920&bih=955&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CC0QsARqFQoTCPecueXChMgCFcGNDQodiowAhw

[Mark Celibate]

130 on the 737
There's no limit to the number of people on board for chinks though.

[Killakobe81]

When did anyone say international stage doesn't matter? It's important in evaluating players, taking teammates and competition into consideration.

Manu, MVPau, Oscar Schmidt, Sergei Below, Drazen Petrovic and Arvydis Sabonis are on the same plane, maybe Toni Kukoc.

Lots of people here claim it doesnt matter especially when defending their favorite swimmers or bible thumpers failure to medal

[DMC]

There's no limit to the number of people on board for chinks though.

Plus they have a cargo area.

[DMC]

Lots of people here claim it doesnt matter especially when defending their favorite swimmers or bible thumpers failure to medal

When the NBA is the Expert Level for basketball, making the rest of the world the "advanced level", it doesn't matter that you haven't beaten the advanced level when you are winning the Expert level. I mean, no one cares if someone with a doctorate got an associates degree.

[ambchang]

https://www.google.com/search?q=plane&biw=1920&bih=955&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CC0QsARqFQoTCPecueXChMgCFcGNDQodiowAhw

You define what I say now?

[ambchang]

Lots of people here claim it doesnt matter especially when defending their favorite swimmers or bible thumpers failure to medal

I don't.

[DMC]

You define what I say now?

Someone has to.

[ambchang]

Someone has to.

I already did. It's. It my fault you are too stupid.

[ambchang]

Despite all this unpleasantness to deal with the total retardedness of fat hands, let's not overlook the greatness of MVPau who rightfully and predictably win the MVp, doing what MVPs do.

[Killakobe81]

Despite all this unpleasantness to deal with the total retardedness of fat hands, let's not overlook the greatness of MVPau who rightfully and predictably win the MVp, doing what MVPs do.

happy for him ...

[DAF86]

Pau doing things other bigs couldn't do on the international stage ..wait, I thought international games only meant something when won by Manu? They matter now? Even the losses? Good to know.

Proud of Pau, great player still overrated on here underrated on LG.

I wonder what do you consider to be overrating/underrating him? Pau is like Manu, one of the greatest baskteball players of all-time, period. But they get grossly underrated by most NBA fans.

[Killakobe81]

I wonder what do you consider to be overrating/underrating him? Pau is like Manu, one of the greatest baskteball players of all-time, period. But they get grossly underrated by most NBA fans.

A great player. A couple notches below Duncan/Kobe/Shaq and a notch below KG/Dirk.... at least as far as pure NBA accomplishments go. He is a better all around player than Dirk but dirk has done and meant more to the NBA ...Rather have Pau in the triangle, Princeton etc. But if I absolutely need a bucket in most cases would rather have Dirk. That's no knock on Pau. But some on here place him as top tier #1 even calling him a alpha etc. when his best success has come as a #2 same with Kobe in the early years ...

And if you do not think he is a bit overrated on here you dont slum down here enough ....

As for LG some losers thought that we should trade Pau for peanuts and were mad when Mitch refused to. Sure we lost him for nothing but no way would I trade Pau even now for less than a first rounder. I get some would rather have a lottery pick but in most drafts Pau is worth more than most picks outside of the top 5 in last year's draft ...especially at his reduced salary.

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao Pau = "a couple notches behind Kobe"
:lmao How do you even function with takes as shitty as those?

[Killakobe81]

:lmao Pau = "a couple notches behind Kobe"
:lmao How do you even function with takes as shitty as those?

I was speaking of accomplishments you dumbass. there is not a world where any neutral party can argue Pau has accomplished more than Bryant even if you factor international play it's debatable but then you can make a case for Pau, NBA wise it's not close and only a shitty troll like yourself could argue otherwise.

[spurraider21]

rip OP

[ElNono]

^ :lol

[ElNono]

det block on Lebron for the win... <3

[Silver&Black]

http://www.sherralsequineartstudio.com/Customs/swayback%20horse%20448%20kb.jpg

[Shaq 3 Pau 2 Kobe 0]

MVPau :worthy:
Second-greatest Laker of the 2000s, only to Shaq :worthy:

[Bynumite]

MVPau :worthy:
Second-greatest Laker of the 2000s, only to Shaq :worthy:

Gook

[DMC]

M'fkin Pau

[Silver&Black]

26/19/3...

On 12-19 shooting.

:worthy: MVPau

[Robz4000]

:worthy:

[midnightpulp]

:wow

The Lakers got Carlos Boozer as a result, though. :lol

[Bynumite]

Cucks would be scary if Pau had joined them. Good thing they got Lasoft instead.

[Silver&Black]

Cucks would be scary if Pau had joined them. Good thing they got Lasoft instead.

And you guys would still be relevant if he never left....

[Splits]

724663653656469506

[whitemamba]

724663653656469506

O my...

[ambchang]

Wow, someone of MVPau's caliber in SA? Even though he's way over the hill from his peak, you are talking about MVPau! It's like getting 98 version of Hakeem or 88 version of Kareem, or 2020 version of Duncan. MVPau for the ring.

[Splits]

23 points on 7/9 shooting and added 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 blocks and 2 steals in just 23 minutes of play. It was a virtuoso performance by Pau, and his Spanish team handed Lithuania their first loss in Rio with a final score of 109-59

:wow 50 point win against an undefeated Olympic team
:wow 23 points on 9 shots



:worthy::worthy::worthy::worthy::worthy:

[Silver&Black]

We Staaaaaaaaaacked

[Spur-Addict]

http://i.makeagif.com/media/9-18-2015/KOcqib.gif

[ambchang]

:wow. And this is a way over his prime MVPau.

[hater]

:lol Lithuania :lol

Pendegrafff woulda destroyed Lithuania

[ElNono]

:wow 20-11-3 in 30 mins, with no LMA to help... what a warrior, tbh...

[spurraider21]

How did the Lakers not ring 6 times with MVPau... Some Bermuda triangle shit

[Dancelot]

Cucks would be scary if Pau had joined them. Good thing they got Lasoft instead.
Good call

[Clipper Nation]

MVPau :worthy:

[Chris]

MVPau :worthy:

[Robz4000]

MVPau :worthy:

[Splits]

:wow 20-11-3 in 30 mins, with no LMA to help... what a warrior, tbh...

:wow

[spursistan]

MVPau :worthy:

[Molotov]

MVPau :worthy:

[Brazil]

and still a bunch of Spurs fans was like meh Gasol... bunch of fools

[Kool Bob Love]

:wow. And this is a way over his prime MVPau.


MVPau :worthy:

[spurraider21]

Cucks would be scary if Pau had joined them. Good thing they got Lasoft instead.
:lol

[Splits]

21/9/6/1/2

:wow

[Robz4000]

Still don't agree with the aquisition of MVPau, but it isn't because he can't play. Dude can still ball tbh.

[spursistan]

22 pts(9-9)/9 Rebs /6 asts at 37 ...

Demolition job ..:hat

[Silver&Black]

:worthy: MVPau

[Benoit]

This guy has been blessed, not surprising he was nothing with the Bulls

He's playing in Pops system now after spending years with the closest thing to MJ and best player of his generation

[lefty]

#700

[Mr. Body]

His passing and range are big pluses.

[Kawhitstorm]

This guy has been blessed, not surprising he was nothing with the Bulls

He's playing in Pops system now after spending years with the closest thing to MJ and best player of his generation

http://a3.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2015%2F1112%2Fnba_g_jordanbut_cr_ 1296x729.jpg

[Clipper Nation]

851982358974746624

MVPau :worthy:

[ambchang]

Renaissance man of basketball.

[ElNono]

damn, 12/9/4/2 in a defining playoff game, when the Spurs had their heads down with Tony being out... what a guy... :wow

[lefty]

Like LMA, playing better without Porker

[mystargtr34]

Det rim protection was Duncanesque

[140]

Like LMA, playing better without Porker

[Clipper Nation]

Like LMA, playing better without Porker

[Robz4000]

:worthy: MVPau :worthy:

[whitemamba]

:lol what was pau doing on that play

[ElNono]

double-double on a series clinching game on the road, with top scorer sidelined :worthy:

[Splits]

Plus 5 dimes and 3 blocks

:worthy::worthy::worthy::worthy::worthy::worthy::w orthy::worthy::worthy:

[spurraider21]

how did the lakers not win every year with this guy in his prime :wow

[buttsR4rebounding]

how did the lakers not win every year with this guy in his prime :wow

He had to carry Kobe.

[ElNono]

20/17/5/2 :wow

:worthy:

[Raven]

remember when he was done, like 7 years ago...

[Robz4000]

He has his limitations obviously, but I've been fairly impressed with him this year. He's actually earned that $16mil this season. Just really don't like the fact he's getting it for another two years.

[spurraider21]

i just dont like that pop plays him against small-ball teams like HOU and GSW

[Killakobe81]

lol bipolar fan base gonna bitch about hiw soft he is come playoffs tbs, Pau is a hof caliber player who is especially effective when not the primary scorer or facing physical bigs ...without him we at 14 not 16

[whitemamba]

20/17/5/2 :wow

:worthy:

In four games since getting a DNP on Dec. 9, he was averaging 3.0 points on 21.1 percent shooting. Seemingly out of nowhere, he finished tonight's road win with the first 20/15/5

[Killakobe81]

In four games since getting a DNP on Dec. 9, he was averaging 3.0 points on 21.1 percent shooting. Seemingly out of nowhere, he finished tonight's road win with the first 20/15/5


wow

[SAGirl]

In four games since getting a DNP on Dec. 9, he was averaging 3.0 points on 21.1 percent shooting. Seemingly out of nowhere, he finished tonight's road win with the first 20/15/5

Kawhi sat out that game... Food for thought

[ElNono]

In four games since getting a DNP on Dec. 9, he was averaging 3.0 points on 21.1 percent shooting. Seemingly out of nowhere, he finished tonight's road win with the first 20/15/5


bounce back game, IMO

[whitemamba]

bounce back game, IMO

Non-issue

[ElNono]

:wow triple double last night

Turning into Magic without the AIDS...

[spurraider21]

:wow 17/11/7 on 7-11 shooting

[spurraider21]

https://i.gyazo.com/2ef24dd20bba8044de85bc0acb3ff712.png

[140]

:worthy:

[Ditty]

2nd best player on the Spurs

[Splits]

2x Finals MVP just doing Finals MVP things.