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whitemamba

01-13-2014, 05:15 PM

Who would you want to shoot with the game on line tbh? Both great players, both clutch.

spurraider21

01-13-2014, 05:25 PM

Ray Allen no question

Killakobe81

01-13-2014, 05:31 PM

Ray. he can be a prick ...but Ray has some final daggers while Miller's best came in the ECF ... and required a push-off (vs. Knicks and Bulls)

D-Wade

01-13-2014, 05:42 PM

Post-6, Ray Ray has the mantle.

Jacob1983

01-13-2014, 07:01 PM

I'd say Reggie Miller because he was basically the number 1 option on every Pacers team he was on. Ray Allen was the only number 1 option in Milwaukee and Seattle. Once he started to chase rings in Boston and Miami, he became the 3rd or 4th option. I'd also say that Allen is a chucker and has a bad shot selection. Reggie Miller seemed to take shots that he felt confident when he shot them.

spurraider21

01-13-2014, 07:03 PM

dgaf what "option" he was in your opinion. we're talking about a last second shot here. robert horry was never a #3 option but he's a great last second shot guy

DMC

01-13-2014, 07:04 PM

Ray, especially if it was a fast break lay up against Tayshun Prince.

Venti Quattro

01-13-2014, 07:09 PM

Ray, because he doesn't need the benefit of a clear offensive foul to sink a game-winner.

ElNono

01-13-2014, 07:22 PM

Manu

ElNono

01-13-2014, 07:22 PM

:lol

sook

01-13-2014, 10:08 PM

Ray. Dude has the most versatile 3pt shot and one of the quickest releases ever. Its damn near impossible to block and he shoots it the same way every time. Like a damn freethrow.

Phillip

01-13-2014, 10:43 PM

Ray

Arcadian

01-13-2014, 10:59 PM

3P%:

Allen 40.0%
Miller 39.5%

Allen it is...by half a percentage point.

Rogue

01-13-2014, 11:18 PM

depending on the context imho. If you need a catch&shooter then Miller would be the better option imho because he's taller but if you need him to dribble one or two steps then you'd better take Allen imho.

lefty

01-13-2014, 11:27 PM

Im taking Reggie tbh

Nigga was a crazy mofo in the playoffs

25 pts in quarter vs the Knicks
8 pts in 18 seconds vs the Knicks
almost brought down the Bulls in 1998.

Jacob1983

01-13-2014, 11:44 PM

Miller was a better leader. He led a team to the Finals as the main man.

Thebesteva

01-14-2014, 02:07 AM

Niggas acting like this didnt happen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBhC1gMTsc8

spurraider21

01-14-2014, 02:23 AM

Niggas acting like this didnt happen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBhC1gMTsc8
did they review that play? doesn't seem like it went off on time, tbh.

whitemamba

01-14-2014, 03:14 AM

ray for the most part cant really create his own shot, he needs to be freed via a screen play of some sort, reggie could make it happen anywhere, just put the ball in his hands.. surprised no one brought that up.

Thebesteva

01-14-2014, 03:30 AM

did they review that play? doesn't seem like it went off on time, tbh.

You're right actually. I think it was good during the review though. I recall watching Jimmy Kimmel or some shit that night and Michael Rappaport was on the show and freaked out during that shot as he watched it backstage. Reggie is a legend in that regards.

I think Kobe is seriously underrated as far as clutch shots go, the problem is he took way too many and the stat # may be lower, but the guy is fuckin clutch.

spurraider21

01-14-2014, 03:34 AM

kobe's made his fair share of clutch shots, but its due to the law of averages. when you attempt so many, you're mathematically going to hit a few. percentage wise he's unremarkable

Stalin

01-14-2014, 04:53 AM

Miller time

romsey31

01-14-2014, 07:55 AM

Reggie miller hand's down. Dude changed rules in the nba. He was feared league wise when the game was on the line and he was the ultimate douche bag, didnt give a fuck who liked him unlike these clowns these daya. That shot against the nets made the nba implement reviews. Reggie was cold blooded, and he wudve never played 3rd fiddle betraying his boys chasing rings like ray does now

AchillesHeel

01-14-2014, 08:32 AM

Allen is the better 3pt shooter but Reggie was a fucking beast himself. I'll take Allen because he hit a huge shot in the Finals that saved his team and won him a ring.

irishock

01-14-2014, 08:40 AM

Allen is faster when coming off a screen.

UNCLE-DREW

01-14-2014, 08:43 AM

Shouldnt even be a question after Game 6

resistanze

01-14-2014, 08:54 AM

AchillesHeel

01-14-2014, 08:57 AM

I don't see anything about special Game 6 that would make that the deciding factor, he was basically left open for that 3 by the Spurs. Still shocking that even happened :lol

It's close, but still pick Ray for that quick release.

Oh yes, he had 0 pressure to make the shot down 3 with only seconds left, his team was about to get eliminated and Parker got to him as soon as he caught the ball

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2808499/allen3.gif

resistanze

01-14-2014, 09:09 AM

Oh yes, he had 0 pressure to make the shot down 3 with only seconds left, his team was about to get eliminated and Parker got to him as soon as he caught the ball

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2808499/allen3.gif

:lol No one said he had zero pressure. I'm just saying it's not something Miller couldn't have made so I wouldn't separate them based on that.

But :lol @ Parker being there as soon as he got the ball. Ray was already going up - a late rotating defender doesn't affect a shooter that much, especially one like Ray. He's made harder game winner shots.

UNCLE-DREW

01-14-2014, 09:12 AM

:lol No one said he had zero pressure. I'm just saying it's not something Miller couldn't have made so I wouldn't separate them based on that.

But :lol @ Parker being there as soon as he got the ball. Ray was already going up - a late rotating defender doesn't affect a shooter that much, especially one like Ray. He's made harder game winner shots.

give me a more high pressure shot then 3 down in the finals elimination game with 5 sec left.

resistanze

01-14-2014, 09:18 AM

give me a more high pressure shot then 3 down in the finals elimination game with 5 sec left.

Horry in Game 5 of the 2005 Finals was close. But what does that have to do with anything I said?

UNCLE-DREW

01-14-2014, 09:56 AM

the question was Who would you want to shoot with the game on the line?
so the timing of the shot matters not the difficulty so who would you rather have the shot taken

a guy who proved to hit one of the hardest shots ever (Timing wise) or the other

Both Clutch shooters btw

Killakobe81

01-14-2014, 02:36 PM

AchillesHeel

01-14-2014, 02:41 PM

Ray's shot is underrated yes he was left open, Mamu fell
But he had the presence of mind to get his feet behind the line and release while the contest was coming late.
Imho when it comes to all-time great Playoffs shots: (no particular order just off the dome)

1. Ray, 6
2. Mj over russell
3. Horry vs.Kings
4. Horry vs. Pistons
5. Mj over Ehlo
6. .4
7. Sean Elliott
8. Miller vs. Bulls ECF
9. Stockton over Rox (IIRC)
10. Chuck over David

There are so many but those are the iconic jumpers ...

Special mention to Magic's baby skyhook over the Celts in 1987 not a jumper but bonus for hitting over two near 7 footers ...

Tbh that Timmy fadeaway over shaq before .4 was one of the greatest playoff shots I've ever seen. How many players have made a long fadeaway off the wrong foot with a 7-footer who weighs over 300 pounds towering over them in the last second of a playoff game? God damn if he had just released .1-.2 seconds later...fuck