True Detective

[Darth_Pelican]

I thougt Rust would keep obsessing knowing that the Tuttles are in the clear, but he found peace. What a great show. Hopefully season 2 can deliver the goods as well, but this season sure did set the bar high.

[Joyrider]

Beautiful ending. I love the fact that it was never truly about the crimes and cult. But about how one case brought together two people with such drastic personalities and in the end, gave them the inner peace they've been looking for. Hart truly now regrets what he had done and Cohle has found the peace he's been searching for since he lost his kiddo. Just great story telling and amazed how much I felt for these characters I've only know for 8 episodes. The bar is set and set fucking high.

[Brunodf]

That last episode was disappointing, 7/10 at best

[Medvedenko]

Love the Jesus metaphor, spear thrusts into Rust's side and Marty carrying him as in the burden of the cross. Definitely religious based and the persistent fight of light and dark. Making all of that christian shit feel actually palpable....
Great show.

[Jacob1983]

How the Hell did they survive that shit from that belly man? Getting stabbed deep in the gut and having an axe thrown into your chest. I was thinking Rust was a goner after getting stabbed like that. It was nice to see Rust change or have a moment of light instead of his usual darkness. And Marty should feel bad for throwing away his marriage and kids. He messed that up big time.

[Mugen]

Just finished the ep. And my first reaction is what a entertaining f'n episode tbh.

I'll have to rewatch the series all the way through to see exactly how I feel but man, it was a fun ride.

Best way to describe the ending is satisfying. I'm not sure exactly how it fits with the tone of the series but I have to say I was not disappointed.

I really think it would have benefited the show to be 10 eps instead of 8 though. Got rushed towards the end. But the McConnaughey and the directing really stood out.

[sook]

Loved the show. Some of you nutters need to get off of your high horse.

[leemajors]

enjoyed it, will watch it again this afternoon. glad everything wasn't tied up neatly.

[Sybok]

"Well, once there was only dark. If you ask me, the light's winning."

Which is inconsistent with the notion that everything comes back around.

[leemajors]

extremely well written review from boing boing:

http://boingboing.net/2014/03/10/true-detective-ends-its-first.html

[DeadlyDynasty]

extremely well written review from boing boing:

http://boingboing.net/2014/03/10/true-detective-ends-its-first.html
Good read...watching the Errol/Sister scene again, funny how he cues the British accent for her--makes light of the whole disturbing nature of the intro to that ep


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0ofIHY9p3M

[mrsmaalox]

Oh man that Carcosa scene had me going crazy---I was sure one or both of them were going to die! I'll try to rewatch the whole thing this week, I was so mind-boggled thru most of the series I'm sure I missed a lot. I liked the finale. I loved that it took us back to where we started---two guys struggling to conquer inner demons and worldly ones, neither task could have been completed solo. I love the red herrings that set the internet buzzing after each episode "Rust is the killer!" "Marty is the killer!" "Maggie's dad is the Yellow King!" "Marty's kid was a victim!" and it was just never that complicated---we all knew who it was pretty early on. And I'm sooo glad the mystical angle was all debunked, nothing would have bummed me out more than supernatural goings on. Quite a task to beat this one next season!

[Sybok]

I actually watched the finale again tonight. I caught it the first time but not real good, but lol when Woody says "scented meat".

[Sybok]

cHWLpJRlBYA

[leemajors]

L'chaim, fatass :tu

[CuckingFunt]

I've watched the finale twice now. I loved the episode and found it an incredibly satisfying close to the season, since I was far more invested in the characters than I ever was in the plot or its ultimate resolution. I felt it completed Hart's and Cohle's arcs beautifully and continued to showcase what has been amazingly adept visual storytelling all season. When Marty was going through the Childress house you could almost smell it and feel that dusky dampness unique to old houses in this climate, and a viewer reaction that visceral requires a hell of a lot more than just good set dressing. Similarly, when Rust was being led through Carcosa the space was filmed so beautifully that even though it was creepy and tense and claustrophobic, part of me wanted to be able to really get in there and explore the space in detail. As much as I loved the characters and the performances, and as much as I enjoyed the writing (even at it's most over-the-top), for me this show was made by its direction and cinematography. Up there with Breaking Bad and Mad Men for me in terms of beautifully filmed television.

I can understand how/why people who were more interested in the mystery of Carcosa and its potential supernatural connotations, or who were more interested in seeing the cased solved completely and everyone brought to justice, may have been disappointed by the finale, though. There is a lot in terms of plot that's left unfinished. And I can also see how certain other possible endings would have been more satisfying in terms of bringing the narrative to a close. But that doesn't mean I share their frustration with the ending we actually got. Especially after the previous two episodes, which I thought felt bogged down by the responsibility of narrative heft and machination, I definitely preferred an ending like this to one that could have felt written out of obligation to tie up loose ends or to close on a bleaker note.

[leemajors]

Deleted scene:

http://www.slashfilm.com/true-detective-deleted-scene/

[Spur-Addict]

"I don't know if you're mostly good and just a coward, or if you're an asshole who is a little smarter than most"

"Well I'd hate to make that call" :rollin

[leemajors]

This mirror is still up:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/video-true-detective-deleted-scene-3236951

[DPG21920]

Did anyone else know that Woody's dad was a real life hit man?

[CuckingFunt]

Did anyone else know that Woody's dad was a real life hit man?

Yeah. I remember that being big news during the press for Natural Born Killers, but I feel like it first became public knowledge even way back during Cheers.

[DPG21920]

I never knew that. Crazy.

[Sybok]

I've watched the finale twice now. I loved the episode and found it an incredibly satisfying close to the season, since I was far more invested in the characters than I ever was in the plot or its ultimate resolution. I felt it completed Hart's and Cohle's arcs beautifully and continued to showcase what has been amazingly adept visual storytelling all season. When Marty was going through the Childress house you could almost smell it and feel that dusky dampness unique to old houses in this climate, and a viewer reaction that visceral requires a hell of a lot more than just good set dressing. Similarly, when Rust was being led through Carcosa the space was filmed so beautifully that even though it was creepy and tense and claustrophobic, part of me wanted to be able to really get in there and explore the space in detail. As much as I loved the characters and the performances, and as much as I enjoyed the writing (even at it's most over-the-top), for me this show was made by its direction and cinematography. Up there with Breaking Bad and Mad Men for me in terms of beautifully filmed television.

I can understand how/why people who were more interested in the mystery of Carcosa and its potential supernatural connotations, or who were more interested in seeing the cased solved completely and everyone brought to justice, may have been disappointed by the finale, though. There is a lot in terms of plot that's left unfinished. And I can also see how certain other possible endings would have been more satisfying in terms of bringing the narrative to a close. But that doesn't mean I share their frustration with the ending we actually got. Especially after the previous two episodes, which I thought felt bogged down by the responsibility of narrative heft and machination, I definitely preferred an ending like this to one that could have felt written out of obligation to tie up loose ends or to close on a bleaker note.

What?

[CitizenDwayne]

Did anyone else know that Woody's dad was a real life hit man?

Seems like his dad has been pegged by some conspiracy theorists as a potential suspect for the JFK assassination...could be wrong

[CuckingFunt]

What?

Words, mostly.

[Sybok]

Words, mostly.

I understood it up to that point.

[mrsmaalox]

Did anyone else know that Woody's dad was a real life hit man?

Yea I mentioned it earlier in this thread. His dad, Charles Harrelson, was convicted of murdering a Federal judge here in SA, Judge John Wood, in 1981. He had been hired by the Chagra brothers in El Paso; the Chagras were a crime family of drug dealers and attorneys that had the Feds on their asses and one of them was about to go on trial. It was BIG news when I was a kid in El Paso. Haven't heard much about the Chagras since then, I think the brothers and their wives are all rotting in prison now and a couple of them have died behind bars.

[vander]

So, why was that one murder done publicly?
Seems like the bad guys were doing just fine and getting away with it till they chose to make a scene.

[leemajors]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZX38aoElN0#t=96

[Sybok]

So, why was that one murder done publicly?
Seems like the bad guys were doing just fine and getting away with it till they chose to make a scene.

Wasn't it obvious that homeboy with the cave shit had put his father on a rack? The father was doing part of it, but burned face had a mental issue, and an ego. What good is thinking you're a genius if no one else knows. It's the mark of a serial killer.

[vander]

Wasn't it obvious that homeboy with the cave shit had put his father on a rack? The father was doing part of it, but burned face had a mental issue, and an ego. What good is thinking you're a genius if no one else knows. It's the mark of a serial killer.

if it was the kid who did the one public because of ego, and then proceeded to not get caught, wouldn't he continue to display victims publicly?

to me, it just doesn't fit with what the yellow king society had been doing.

and since this show was supposed to more about the two lead characters than the plot/investigation anyway, I must say I found them quite shallow and uninteresting.

[Sybok]

if it was the kid who did the one public because of ego, and then proceeded to not get caught, wouldn't he continue to display victims publicly?

The feds had photos of people he had strung up and killed...


to me, it just doesn't fit with what the yellow king society had been doing.

I believe the son went rogue which caused all the commotion. No one could turn him in because he knew too much. I don't know that the Rev or the Gov were involved in the killing of Dora, however they had enough skeletons in their closets. I think the Rev recognized the work, so he got involved. I don't think it was a group killing.


and since this show was supposed to more about the two lead characters than the plot/investigation anyway, I must say I found them quite shallow and uninteresting.
I think the writer intentionally didn't want to make the killers interesting people.

[xmas1997]

Yea I mentioned it earlier in this thread. His dad, Charles Harrelson, was convicted of murdering a Federal judge here in SA, Judge John Wood, in 1981. He had been hired by the Chagra brothers in El Paso; the Chagras were a crime family of drug dealers and attorneys that had the Feds on their asses and one of them was about to go on trial. It was BIG news when I was a kid in El Paso. Haven't heard much about the Chagras since then, I think the brothers and their wives are all rotting in prison now and a couple of them have died behind bars.

Yes, I remember this well. His murder happened as he got out of his car at a very well-to-do gated apartment complex in Alamo Heights just two blocks away from my childhood house.

[Sybok]

Yes, I remember this well. His murder happened as he got out of his car at a very well-to-do gated apartment complex in Alamo Heights just two blacks away from my childhood house.

So we're measuring distance in ghetto neighbors now?

[GoodOdor]

Brad Pitt might be in season 2 - ahhhh yiiisssssss.

[xmas1997]

So we're measuring distance in ghetto neighbors now?

You obviously have no conception of San Antonio. Your fool badge is protruding.
:lol

[Sybok]

You obviously have no conception of San Antonio. Your fool badge is protruding.
:lol

You're the one who said "two blacks away".

[xmas1997]

You're the one who said "two blacks away".

What, never seen a typo before?
Besides, I fixed it.
So what exactly is your problem?

[xmas1997]

Actually I see how humorous it was now.
Good come back.

[Trill Clinton]

That finale was ass.

[MarkTravis]

Time as a flat circle and the San Antonio Spurs. http://www.caller.com/news/2014/mar/29/travis-lessons-be-learned-spurs-true-detective/

[Sybok]

That finale was ass.

You know, I just saw "12 Years a Slave" and I felt the same way. I loved the movie until the dude gets away at the end.

[Trill Clinton]

You know, I just saw "12 Years a Slave" and I felt the same way. I loved the movie until the dude gets away at the end.

dang, dude. you're hardcore:tu

[ChumpDumper]

Finally got around to the finale. Solid.

[The Gemini Method]

I'm on episode 6...since we've gotten HBO for a trial basis...it's a good series. I like the tone and the desperate feel to it...crazy.

[Mugen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xbO61Nd0Jlk

:lol

[The Gemini Method]

:lmao :lmao :lmao ^^^

[leemajors]

http://www.theverge.com/2014/5/27/5754722/true-detective-three-main-characters-in-season-two


When it returns to HBO for a second season, True Detective will feature three main characters. Show creator and writer Nic Pizzolatto revealed that key detail in an interview with To The Best of Our Knowledge. Those characters will be new to the show — true to its anthology format — with casting slated to kick off in the coming weeks. Anyone joining True Detective will have big shoes to fill as they set out to follow the stellar performances delivered by Matthew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson in season one. The internet has already thrown out countless possibilities with the #truedetectiveseason2 hashtag, though most have taken the duo approach; now they'll need to dream up the ultimate trio.
Pizzolatto also said that season two will take place in "lesser-known venues" of California, avoiding obvious settings like Los Angeles. True Detective used its environment to maximum effect in the first season, and Pizzolatto and his cohorts clearly plan to maintain that emphasis on surroundings the second time around. "The world itself is poison. There's something ruinous at work here. The poison at the root of the world is humanity," he said. In March, Pizzolatto hinted at what's to come in an interview with HitFlix, teasing that True Detective's sophomore season will be all about "hard women, bad men and the secret occult history of the United States transportation system."

[The Gemini Method]

The three lead story is going to be interesting--they need to balance them like they did for McConaughey and Harrelson. I know it is going to be hard to replicate the success those two had. I hope they select actors who'll blend seamlessly. California is central to many of the Noir genre lines so it'll be interesting to see where they take the 2nd season.

[Darth_Pelican]

:tu 12 Emmy Nominations

[Gummi Clutch]

:tu 12 Emmy Nominations
I read your posts in his voice, tbh.

[DMC]

I read your posts in his voice, tbh.
Well alright alright alright

[Gummi Clutch]

Well alright alright alright
i'd rather sybok respond.

[leemajors]

http://iwatchstuff.com/2014/07/next-true-detective-to-have-four-leads-t.php


While the first season of True Detective drew from the casting pool of guys you'd find stoned on a beach, it seems the second will pluck from batch of guys you wouldn't be surprised if they owned a motorcycle. According to The Wrap, Colin Farrell is in talks to join the next season of the hit HBO series, Battleship's Taylor Kitsch is said to be "the leading candidate" to play his young protégé. Both are already accustomed to using hair length as a signifier of period changes, so they should do just fine.

Meanwhile, speaking to The Daily Beast, series creator Nic Pizzolatto said that, while he initially envisioned three leads for the next season, that number has since "ballooned a little bit; he now says "there are four central roles." They're gonna need more Lone Stars.

[ChumpDumper]

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140202062120/marvelmovies/images/d/d0/Bullseye-1_528_poster.jpg
No thank you.

[The Gemini Method]

Vince Vaughn is in talks to join the second season? Hmmmm...I'm not sure.

[Proxy]

Vince Vaughn is in talks to join the second season? Hmmmm...I'm not sure.

Never would've thought McConaughey to be Rust either.

Have there been any rumors on the director?

[ChumpDumper]

McConaughey always had dramatic potential. I can think back as far as Lone Star for that. I'm trying to remember if I thought the same for Vaughn. I guess if there is any way to rehabilitate a career, starring in True Detective has proved it at least once.

[The Gemini Method]

McConaughey always had dramatic potential. I can think back as far as Lone Star for that. I'm trying to remember if I thought the same for Vaughn. I guess if there is any way to rehabilitate a career, starring in True Detective has proved it at least once.

True about his dramatic past--that was covered up by the typecast in which he struggled to break out of over the years. 2013 proved to be that year where everything came together for him and he step from his overacting moments and shined as Rust and in Dallas Buyers Guide.

[leemajors]

Following news that Vince Vaughn will transition his internship into a full-time television role, word has come that we may now have our fourth and final True Detective lead in Mad Men's Elizabeth Moss. Somewhat similar to what she did in Jane Campion's Top of the Lake, Moss would reportedly play a sheriff--a "tough, no-nonsense" one with troublesome issues in gambling and alcohol. Sort of a "flawed hero," if you could imagine such a thing showing up in True Detective.



:tu she was great in Top of the Lake

[vy65]

:(

Peggy might be the most annoying character on Mad Men, and there's literally not a single role Moss has played that hasn't made me want to punch my face in.

[DMC]

Vince Vaughn is a shitty actor.

[DMC]

:(

Peggy might be the most annoying character on Mad Men, and there's literally not a single role Moss has played that hasn't made me want to punch my face in.

Peggy is annoying because she's repulsive. If she was hot, that would be better.

[DD]

Not crazy about the rumored cast either, but this show earned the benefit of the doubt imo

[Darth_Pelican]

Season 2 teaser trailer released

watch?v=4OfU7CGY5DQ

[ChumpDumper]

Big shoes to fill. Doesn't help that the lead actors have been pretty terrible for years. Hope it works out.

[SnakeBoy]

If it's only half as good as Season 1 then it will be awesome.

[Spur-Addict]

Colin Farrell? :wtf

[DD]

please don't suck

[TE]

Season 2 premiere is almost here. With this season of Game of Thrones about to finish, gonna need something to watch this summer.

[monosylab1k]

Doesn't help that the lead actors have been pretty terrible for years.

You could have said the same thing about McConaughey before Season 1 tho.

[cantthinkofanything]

You could have said the same thing about McConaughey before Season 1 tho.

I don't know about that. Mud, Killer Joe, Dallas Buyers Club. His career was in the upswing. He had just won the Oscar.

[monosylab1k]

I don't know about that. Mud, Killer Joe, Dallas Buyers Club. His career was in the upswing. He had just won the Oscar.

When he first signed on to do the show it was before all of that.

[ChumpDumper]

You could have said the same thing about McConaughey before Season 1 tho.Yeah, but I'm trying to think of when either of the leads was actually good in a drama.

[DeadlyDynasty]

1 week:cry

[cantthinkofanything]

When he first signed on to do the show it was before all of that.

I don't think so.

[gambit1990]

hate colin colin farrell, like vince vaughn.

[Spur|n|Austin]

hate colin colin farrell, like vince vaughn.

You hate him? Why's that?

[Darth_Pelican]

bump

Season 2 starts soon tbh

[Mugen]

Really have low expectations for this one but Season 1 was so great that I'll at least give it a shot tbh.

[InRareForm]

anticipating

[DMC]

Preview looks like they are trying to recapture the feel of the 1st season. Another chain smoking loner cop, another family guy cop trying to walk the line.

Don't expect to see it in the Emmy's again.

[Darth_Pelican]

meh... too many moving parts

- 3 Emotionally fucked up Cops instead of 2; at least 1 of them dirty; 1 of them is a psychopath, and one has daddy issues
- too much focus on dirty money; not nearly as interesting or gripping as a raping/murdering cult
- how will the missing Mexican gal fit into this

[ChumpDumper]

Seems more conventional than season one, but season one was more conventional than season one seemed in the first place tbh. Will keep watching but not expecting lightning to strike twice.

[vy65]

Let down. Lacked the philosophical background of the first season, too many moving parts, and the characters seem one-dimensional/flat. There was a depth to the first season that came from the characters, the scenery, the dialogue, and the themes. Totally absent here -- it was about as empty and vacuous as the city it's set in.

[ChumpDumper]

Let down. Lacked the philosophical background of the first season, too many moving parts, and the characters seem one-dimensional/flat. There was a depth to the first season that came from the characters, the scenery, the dialogue, and the themes. Totally absent here -- it was about as empty and vacuous as the city it's set in.I'm thinking that might be the point. It's certainly a way to distance this season from the previous one. Since ep 1 was all backstory, I'm willing to see how the main characters interact now that they are together. Maybe one of them will end up being likable or at least identifiable in some way.

[vy65]

I'm thinking that might be the point. It's certainly a way to distance this season from the previous one. Since ep 1 was all backstory, I'm willing to see how the main characters interact now that they are together. Maybe one of them will end up being likable or at least identifiable in some way.

I know Pizzolto (sp?) made a concerted effort to distance himself from S1, but there's a difference between exploring new characters, themes, ideas, etc... in a compelling way and putting up a flat and boring film noir retread.

I'll definitely give it the full season, but this episode didn't even come close to the visceral punch that S1E1 had.

[Oh, Gee!!]

not nearly as interesting or gripping as a raping/murdering cult
- how will the missing Mexican gal fit into this

I think rape/cultish behavior is behind her dissapearance and the city manager's death.

[Spur-Addict]

It was bad just like I thought it would be. Although the scene where Colin unloaded on his fat illegitimate son was funny.

[redzero]

I liked it.

[DPG21920]

Sh*t, it already aired???

[Jacob1983]

Too many stories and last night's episode was boring, slow, and confusing. The only thing entertaining was when Colin Farrell beat that dad up with the brass knuckles and said "fuck you" to that little kid.

[leo_d]

I have 3 issues with chapter one:

1)All the characters are tormented in a very explicit way.
2) they gave too much of their stories in chapter one.
3) There is no character that gives you, with his comments, some kind of a break of all the shit that goes around (e.g Woody Harrelson). To me, part of what made season one so good i that there was a balance between Rust and Marty.

[redzero]

I get everybody's storylines, kinda, but the dead guy I don't know about--which is the point, since we're only one episode in.

[vy65]

I liked it.

I'll buttfuck your father with your mom's headless corpse on this goddamn lawn

[DPG21920]

It's interesting enough. I thought Taylors character was by far the most intriguing and well acted. Rachel Mcadams I thought had good depth.

I liked Colin's start overall, but not sure how he will turn out. Vaughn was hard to tell - not sure what he's going for.

[mrsmaalox]

Sh*t, it already aired???

My thoughts exactly :lol I'll have to catch it at a later time, I'm sure it will be repeated several times this week or OD

[Spur-Addict]

It's interesting enough. I thought Taylors character was by far the most intriguing and well acted. Rachel Mcadams I thought had good depth.

I liked Colin's start overall, but not sure how he will turn out. Vaughn was hard to tell - not sure what he's going for.

It feels like he has rage underneath in his character that will explode eventually. That's all I'm really going to continue to watch for.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Too many stories and last night's episode was boring, slow, and confusing. The only thing entertaining was when Colin Farrell beat that dad up with the brass knuckles and said "fuck you" to that little kid.

Confusing?? If anything, e01 of the first season was more confusing. If you were confused by the laid out plot of this episode then I don't know what to tell you.

also, he didn't say "fuck you" he said
I'll buttfuck your father with your mom's headless corpse on this goddamn lawn

[Darius McCrary]

I have no idea what's going on with Vince Vaughn character, and it's kinda dumb how they try to make the chick from Mean Girls ugly when it's not possible.

Here's a good question. What sex act do yall think Rachel was trying to do when she freaked out her fuck buddy?

[monosylab1k]

I have no idea what's going on with Vince Vaughn character, and it's kinda dumb how they try to make the chick from Mean Girls ugly when it's not possible.

Here's a good question. What sex act do yall think Rachel was trying to do when she freaked out her fuck buddy?

Probably butt stuff.

[Darth_Pelican]

That ending :wow

Did he dieded?

[ChumpDumper]

Hard to think he didn't, but that seems awfully early for a guy who got such high billing.

Was that a big bird head?

Well, if we were missing the weirdness of the first series, it's back.

How does doom song chick have a regular gig at that bar?

[InRareForm]

Much better 2nd episode I thought. It slowed down and that's a good thing

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, if this were named anything other than True Detective, I'd be easier on it. The bar was just set so high.

Some critics have been annoyed by the aerial transition shots. I think they are cool and getting pretty varied.

I will say I like Vaughn a whole lot better as a dramatic actor. His comedy is limited to aping Bill Murray or Jack Lemmon and it's terrible.

[Jacob1983]

Did you think the dickless crotch shot was going to be the nudity? I didn't think they would go that route.

I hope Colin Farrell didn't get killed off. He's been the best out of Gambit and Regina George. And I still want to hear him say he is going butt fuck someone.

[vy65]

Yeah, if this were named anything other than True Detective, I'd be easier on it. The bar was just set so high.

Some critics have been annoyed by the aerial transition shots. I think they are cool and getting pretty varied.

I will say I like Vaughn a whole lot better as a dramatic actor. His comedy is limited to aping Bill Murray or Jack Lemmon and it's terrible.

Agreed on this, better episode overall, but still lackluster compared to S1 standards.

However, I don't know how you can possibly think Vaughn is a better dramatic actor -- he was amazing in Swingers. Plus, last night's opening scene was excruciatingly bad.

[DeadlyDynasty]

If they kill Vaughn off in next episode the season can still be saved

[ChumpDumper]

Agreed on this, better episode overall, but still lackluster compared to S1 standards.

However, I don't know how you can possibly think Vaughn is a better dramatic actor -- he was amazing in Swingers. Plus, last night's opening scene was excruciatingly bad.Swingers, sure -- then what?

It's all relative. I don't think of him as a particularly good actor at all. I just cringe more in his comedies.

I'm still waiting for any of the characters to be likable or at least relatable.

[Darth_Pelican]

Hard to think he didn't, but that seems awfully early for a guy who got such high billing.

Even if dead, I expect we will see a lot of him in flashbacks of past events, especially relating to what really happened when he confronted his ex-wife's rapist, and if he really killed him and if he's connected to the current murder or missing person if he didn't.

[ChumpDumper]

Even if dead, I expect we will see a lot of him in flashbacks of past events, especially relating to what really happened when he confronted his ex-wife's rapist, and if he really killed him and if he's connected to the current murder or missing person if he didn't.Sure, he's got to have a lot of history with Vaughn's character and rapist is probably in there somehow. It's just that as much homage to Chinatown season 2 seemed to be paying at first, now it's To Live and Die in LA in episode 2. Maybe they are just mixing up all the LA stories they can remember

[Darth_Pelican]

Sure, he's got to have a lot of history with Vaughn's character and rapist is probably in there somehow. It's just that as much homage to Chinatown season 2 seemed to be paying at first, now it's To Live and Die in LA in episode 2. Maybe they are just mixing up all the LA stories they can remember

In season 1, I believe it was episode 3 that we met the killer (lawnmower man). I think there's a good chance that we've already met him in season 2 (counting the picture of the rapist in episode 1 as a possibility)

[Spur-Addict]

While episode 2 is clear and away better than episode 1, especially given that CF's character seems to have been killed off, there's one thing about that scenario that makes no sense to me. Here we have a veteran cop, who makes what would seem on the surface as an unlikely mistake. He hadn't cleared many rooms, yet he relatively quickly puts his firearm away. The fuck?

He even goes into what seems like a hidden room without his firearm out. And given the nature of the case, this is all the more unlikely. Everybody (even non-cops) know to clear all of the fucking rooms before putting away your firearm. Even though you're given the impression that the gunman came from the exterior of the house, or perhaps another area CF passed upon entry, that is not particularly relevant because he shouldn't have had to remove his gun from the holster. I don't like how that scene was written up, although I like the ending of the scene and overall feeling you get from it.

[InRareForm]

Trying to give this season a chance.... but I am finding it a little bland, the acting seems off (vince vaughn I just can't take seriously), and it's going a little too slow. and that damn bar restaraunt is getting annoying.


summary so far..... episode 1 was ok, episode 2 good, episode 3 weak.

[Jacob1983]

Tim Riggins is gay?

[Darth_Pelican]

Tim Riggins is gay?

Yep, and he's in complete gay denial mode, which is why he's so angry and fucked up. He can't even get a hard on for his gf without the blue pill, and he was about to kick his old army pal's ass when he brought up their gay adventures in the service.

Anyways, I thought episode 3 was a step down. Rubber bullets, really? I'm intrigued by how this mess is all going to come together, but I just don't care about a sex addicted corrupt city leader getting murdered as much as I cared about the innocent victims in season 1. This season's suspects seem vendetta related. Season 1's suspects were just sick, evil fuckers.

[Jacob1983]

Why is Tim Riggins with that señorita? I've never heard of fake straight guys taking viagara to get hard for women. That is truly sad. If you like dick, go suck it. Don't be a fake straight guy and lie to some hot señorita. You're better than that. Am I the only one that thinks Rachel McAdams doesn't belong in this show?

[Bender]

Rubber bullets, really?
so what... a common riot gun load

[Rust Cohle]

I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in evolution. We became too self-aware. Nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself - we are creatures that should not exist by natural law... We are things that labor under the illusion of having a self, that accretion of sensory experience and feelings, programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody, when in fact everbody's nobody... I think the honorable thing for our species to do is to deny our programming. Stop reproducing, walk hand in hand into extinction - one last midnight, brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I'm really trying to look for a silver lining with this show, but now that Colin Farrell isn't dead there's nothing left. It's almost as if the acting is supposed to be exaggerated, like I'm watching a show full of David Caruso's. If you disregard the atrocious acting (which is hard to do), the story itself just isn't interesting at all. Pure dogshit

[MI21]

I'm really trying to look for a silver lining with this show, but now that Colin Farrell isn't dead there's nothing left. It's almost as if the acting is supposed to be exaggerated, like I'm watching a show full of David Caruso's. If you disregard the atrocious acting (which is hard to do), the story itself just isn't interesting at all. Pure dogshit

Couldn't agree more. I really, really, really want to like it but it is just so overacted, miscast, uninteresting, laborious and just boring. I quite like how it looks and that is about it.

I swear I remember reading prior to release that it was going to be about the occult history of the Californian transport system... I'm not seeing any signs of that tbh

[Spur-Addict]

It feels like he has rage underneath in his character that will explode eventually. That's all I'm really going to continue to watch for.

And there it is. He starts by beating the shit out of a Mexican guy, and ripping out his grill/teeth with pliers. My only hope is that Vaughn just becomes even worse, lets his anxiety go and just starts brutally injuring (and killing) people. Otherwise, this is trash. Granted, his inner conflict/anxiety doesn't really fit him as an actor, but that's what the character is designed to do because he's clearly struggling with his identity as a legit businessman and street businessman. This is the only character that I was drawn to as written, as I think it has potential, so hopefully the deeper the dive becomes, the better he becomes in the role.

[JudynTX]

I couldn't even get through the first episode.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Why is Tim Riggins with that señorita? I've never heard of fake straight guys taking viagara to get hard for women.

The show actually brought up that very idea. Remember the convo between Riggins and the obviously gay, male prostitute? They were talking about some club and Riggins asked him if he ever got with the women, and the male prostitute said something along the lines of "yes, but not without the help of a blue pill." I don't remember the exact words, but I think they touched on that topic.

[gambit1990]

can't get into this season. i've had time to watch it but have decided to pass so far. i've just seen a couple minutes and then changed the channel. with the first season i saw a couple minutes and kept watching.

[Bender]

bunch of ADD people here

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Boring so far.

[DeadlyDynasty]

There we go, finally some improvement. When all else fails increase the body count.

[Darth_Pelican]

Pretty good gunfight last night. We're finally seeing some connections being made as well. I figured that strange doctor/psychiatrist would resurface. I'm wondering if Rachel McAdam's dad knows more than he has let on.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Pretty good gunfight last night. We're finally seeing some connections being made as well. I figured that strange doctor/psychiatrist would resurface. I'm wondering if Rachel McAdam's dad knows more than he has let on.
Yup, that old pic he had of those guys by the lake was telling. Still too many story lines, and I don't care for the Woodrow is a fag angle either

[DPG21920]

Kitsch has impressed me. I never liked him before, but I think he's easily been the best actor to start the series. Has an interesting role and is playing it very well IMVHO.

Still not sure what this is about or how it ties into everything from S1 though. You have similar elements (old photos that allude to something, men in masks, rich families ruling things behind the scenes and in with cops, etc..) but I really don't know much of the plot 4 episodes in.

[ChumpDumper]

Kitsch has impressed me. I never liked him before, but I think he's easily been the best actor to start the series. Has an interesting role and is playing it very well IMVHO.

Still not sure what this is about or how it ties into everything from S1 though. You have similar elements (old photos that allude to something, men in masks, rich families ruling things behind the scenes and in with cops, etc..) but I really don't know much of the plot 4 episodes in.Totally separate from S1.

The writing for McAdams' character is pretty terrible, but Pizzolatto hasn't really done a decent female character yet. Pleasantly surprised with all the performances overall, though each character has at least one really stupid thing going on that shouldn't be a problem (Really Frank? ALL your money?).

Cool shootout. Pretty nice lingering on the detectives' reaction to the enormity of the situation right after.

[DPG21920]

Totally separate from S1.

The writing for McAdams' character is pretty terrible, but Pizzolatto hasn't really done a decent female character yet. Pleasantly surprised with all the performances overall, though each character has at least one really stupid thing going on that shouldn't be a problem (Really Frank? ALL your money?).

Cool shootout. Pretty nice lingering on the detectives' reaction to the enormity of the situation right after.

So there is not supposed to be any tie in at all w/S1?? I knew it would be different, but I didn't think that all the events of S1 would just vanish and have absolutely 0 relation to S2. That is just too odd.

It was funny how McAdams caught that complaint and used the "if this were a man" line to which her CO replied "we'd handle it the same way, except he couldn't use that line" :lol

[ChumpDumper]

So there is not supposed to be any tie in at all w/S1?? I knew it would be different, but I didn't think that all the events of S1 would just vanish and have absolutely 0 relation to S2. That is just too odd. It's an anthology series. A minor trend these days -- True Detective, Fargo, American Horror Story....


It was funny how McAdams caught that complaint and used the "if this were a man" line to which her CO replied "we'd handle it the same way, except he couldn't use that line" :lolYeah, that was good. So two out of the three cops are suspended from their regular jobs and the third is known to be dirty. Jeez, how long would everyone be riding desks while that shootout with dozens of victims and no one left alive save those three got sorted out?

[Darth_Pelican]

Yeah, that was good. So two out of the three cops are suspended from their regular jobs and the third is known to be dirty. Jeez, how long would everyone be riding desks while that shootout with dozens of victims and no one left alive save those three got sorted out?

The case is likely going to be considered closed by the higher-ups in the beginning of episode 5. After all, as Ray said, "I don't think we're really supposed to solve this case".

[ChumpDumper]

The case is likely going to be considered closed by the higher-ups in the beginning of episode 5. After all, as Ray said, "I don't think we're really supposed to solve this case".Oh sure, they're going to have to go rogue to get to the bottom of things. I'm just wondering how something like that incident would be handled IRL.

[InRareForm]

Good episode. Trying not to be a snob and just try to enjoy a show in the summer. Have to painfully realize there is no basketball or football

[Darius McCrary]

One 9 minute gunfight scene and everyone predictably jumps back on board.

[HarlemHeat37]

I criticized people early on for not giving it a chance and automatically considering it to be a failure due to the impossible task of living up to season 1, but I really haven't been impressed, so far:lol..

It's still doing enough to keep me engaged, but it hasn't been anything special..McAdams' character has been poorly written, Farrell's character is a giant cliche, and I don't know if it's because I'm accustomed to seeing Vince Vaughn in so many sarcastic, dry humor roles, but I can't take him seriously..

Kitsch has been the only main character I've enjoyed, tbh..McAdams' dad and the psychiatrist seem interesting, among peripheral characters..

[Spur-Addict]

I'm done. If there's another season after this I'll give it a go based on how the first season went. But this is where I officially get off the train. I tried.

[HarlemHeat37]

Hopefully Fargo isn't as much of a letdown:lol..

[Darth_Pelican]

:lol not a single comment on the past episode... has everyone given up on it?

The curiosity factor will keep me tuned into the last 3 episodes, especially after Farrell just showed up at Vince Vaughn's house to confront him about giving him the wrong rapist suspect to kill.

[cantthinkofanything]

:lol not a single comment on the past episode... has everyone given up on it?

The curiosity factor will keep me tuned into the last 3 episodes, especially after Farrell just showed up at Vince Vaughn's house to confront him about giving him the wrong rapist suspect to kill.

we dropped HBO a few months ago. Seems like we go through phases. Was thinking about picking it up again just for TD 2 but glad I didn't.

The first season was pretty close to perfect. Guess they set the bar too high.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol not a single comment on the past episode... has everyone given up on it?

The curiosity factor will keep me tuned into the last 3 episodes, especially after Farrell just showed up at Vince Vaughn's house to confront him about giving him the wrong rapist suspect to kill.This might have been the best episode so far tbh, but it almost made all the previous episodes superfluous.

It's pretty funny that once you take away the setting and the quasi-mystical bullshit from season 1, it's not too different from season 2 as far as plot and writing go. I'd want to say that Vaughn was miscast, but the stupid monologues and odd metaphors just don't fit Frank as a character at all.

[Darth_Pelican]

This might have been the best episode so far tbh, but it almost made all the previous episodes superfluous.

Yeah we were both right about the post-gunfight episode being some time into the future and they are, well, semi-rogue in the sense that they are working undercover and off the grid. The detective work in TD has always thrived when they don't have to follow the rules, hence Farrell beating the hell out of Dr. Pitler (SP?) to get some answers.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah we were both right about the post-gunfight episode being some time into the future and they are, well, semi-rogue in the sense that they are working undercover and off the grid. The detective work in TD has always thrived when they don't have to follow the rules, hence Farrell beating the hell out of Dr. Pitler (SP?) to get some answers.It was trippy seeing Rick Springfield made up like that; same with Rob Lowe in the Liberace show. His character reminded me a lot of Henry Gibson's doctor character in The Long Goodbye, one of my favorite LA crime movies.

[DPG21920]

I just don't get this season at all. It's not bad, but I think it was a huge mistake to not tie into S1. There was no possible way with how S1 was received that they could have shaken the comparisons. They should have went with it.

[MI21]

This might have been the best episode so far tbh, but it almost made all the previous episodes superfluous.

That's how I felt as well. I said to my wife that they could have condensed the first 4 episodes into 2 episodes and got to this situation much quicker and allowed more time to flesh out the interesting bits.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I'm sticking with it.
Last two episodes have me committed to see through the end. Frank's wife is so cougar I love it

[redzero]

I just don't get this season at all. It's not bad, but I think it was a huge mistake to not tie into S1. There was no possible way with how S1 was received that they could have shaken the comparisons. They should have went with it.

From the beginning, we were told that each season was its own separate story. The problem with this season isn't that it didn't tie into season 1; it's that it isn't as good as season 1 from a writing or directing perspective.

[DMC]

The solution to all these issues is to smoke more cigarettes during the show. Have even the babies smoking cigarettes, every shot is lighting up. It adds character... -Don Draper

[Holden_Caulfield]

nice. didnt know throwing up suddenly relinquishes the effects of pure molly. going to try that next time.

[redzero]

Whelp, we just got this season's "Who goes there?".

[DPG21920]

From the beginning, we were told that each season was its own separate story. The problem with this season isn't that it didn't tie into season 1; it's that it isn't as good as season 1 from a writing or directing perspective.

I know that we were told that - that was my point, hence the comment about them changing their plan. It was highly unlikely, even w/ a different story that it would be as good. But when it was so well received? They should have kep that going.

[InRareForm]

That last 30 minutes of the episode was great. Kept me guessing

[Darth_Pelican]

Still plenty of questions that I want to see answered in the final 2 episodes:

Who gave Vince Vaughn the false rapist for him to give to Farrell, and why?

What really happened in Black Mountain with Paul?

Who is the "skinny white cop" that gave the stolen jewelry to the Mexican girl to sell before she was killed?

Who is the masked man that shot Farrell with rubber bullets, and how does it tie into the investigation which is now focused on the "powerful people" sex parties and blackmail leading to Caspere's death?

What about answers to all of the subplots yet to be resolved, like Vaughn and his wife's attempts at becoming parents, McAdam's weirdness in many ways, Paul's suppressing his gayness, Farell/Ex-Wife/Kid?

[MI21]

Still plenty of questions that I want to see answered in the final 2 episodes:

Who gave Vince Vaughn the false rapist for him to give to Farrell, and why?

What really happened in Black Mountain with Paul?

Who is the "skinny white cop" that gave the stolen jewelry to the Mexican girl to sell before she was killed?

Who is the masked man that shot Farrell with rubber bullets, and how does it tie into the investigation which is now focused on the "powerful people" sex parties and blackmail leading to Caspere's death?

What about answers to all of the subplots yet to be resolved, like Vaughn and his wife's attempts at becoming parents, McAdam's weirdness in many ways, Paul's suppressing his gayness, Farell/Ex-Wife/Kid?

Shit, for some reason I thought the first series was 10 episodes and that this one was ramping up now and still had a good 4 episodes left.

What a fucking let down this is, they can't possibly condense everything into 2 episodes.. smh

[LaMarcus Bryant]

That eyes wide shut scene was completely over sold.

The Vince Vaughn scenes have now become a contest to see who in the room can hold in their laughter the longest. He's becoming so funny to take seriously that it's gone from awkwardly horrible to entertaining like watching Nascar waiting for that epic multi car crash.

I don't think I've ever stuck with a show and given it this much slack quite like this before. Lol
I can see this becoming a cult comedy classic in 5 years.

Colin Farrell has been solid though. I'm impressed.

[Reck]

I recently started watching the second season Eps 1-6 in 2 days and I think the show isn't as bad as people are making it sound. Definitely not better than the first season (duh) but very watchable.

I dont like that the show tries to pull fast ones on us and fail miserably. Like that episode where Colin's character gets a shotgun to the chest...twice and then nothing comes of it.

Then that face off with him and Vaughn at the kitchen table that let to some sobbing shit about you're the only friend I have. That's bordering on stupid.

They never really commit to pulling the trigger on big moments like that. Literally.

Also I noticed in the opening credits that both Harrelson and Mcconaughey are both credited as co-producers. Are they involved on this season at all? Because if so, their inputs have been crap and fallen on deaf ears.

[InRareForm]

Detailed pack episode Tbh..

[Reck]

Beyond terrible episode.

[redzero]

Nah, this episode was great. The only thing I didn't like about it was how Burris knew homosex cop would come out that exit.

[Darth_Pelican]

Damn, Vince Vaughn did some damage to those who have screwed him over. I'd like to see him and his wife make it out of the country, but I think he may get killed in the finale.

[Darth_Pelican]

Thanks for the most depressing, unsatisfying season finale ever True Detective. No, really, thanks.

[scottspurs]

I defended this season for weeks, but wow after that ending I feel like I'll never get those 8 hours back.

[T Park]

So many similarities between season 1 and 2 in plot and writing.

Hilarious stuff.

[Reck]

That earlier scene between Vaughn and that red head woman was cringe worthy stuff. Yikes

They really fucked up the last couple of episodes here. This episode put me halfway to sleep.

Season 2 was a total dud overall.

[Gent]

Abysmal season from minute 1 to the very dragged out season finale.

Hopefully HBO just learned a valuable lesson tonight. The finale and the overall season is getting shredded by everyone who has seen it.

HBO with a rare flop.

[InRareForm]

I guess I am in the minority with this one... I enjoyed the season and the finale. *shrug*

[DPG21920]

:lmao I loved how Vaughns woman told him he was a shitty actor. Wonder if that was managements way of getting back at him

[Floyd Pacquiao]

I guess I am in the minority with this one... I enjoyed the season and the finale. *shrug*

Nah, you ain't the only one bro. I enjoyed the season and finale. The only thing I didn't like was Frank dying :( I wanted him and his wife to live happily ever after :(

[Darth_Pelican]

Maybe I missed something, but here are some things that bothered me with the finale.

- Why was Vince Vaughn so concerned about the 3.5 million dollars in diamonds in his suit pocket when he just split a 12 million dollar heist with Farrell? He would rather die than give up the suit with the diamonds?

- How could Farrell be so stupid as to visit his son's school when he knew that the cops would be scoping it out? And why would he get back in the bugged car instead of just grabbing the money and finding a way to get another car?

- How did the Mexican gang know where Vince Vaughn was? Magic?

- What happens with McAdams' sister and father? They have to hide out for the rest of their lives since she is still a fugitive? And what becomes of Paul's preggo gf and mom? I guess they weren't significant enough characters for us to deserve answers?


Other than that, I also didn't like the fact that 3 of the 4 main characters were killed, the other main character ends the show as a fugitive, living in another country, and depending on handing off all of the evidence to a news reporter in hopes to take down a city of corruption. And we will never know if he will be successful. So at the end of the day, they solved the case, all but 1 survived, yet no justice was served, and we will never know if it ever will be. And just to make sure that the audience isn't unhappy enough, they had to make sure to let us know that Farrell's last message to his son didn't go through.

[InRareForm]

- How could Farrell be so stupid as to visit his son's school when he knew that the cops would be scoping it out? And why would he get back in the bugged car instead of just grabbing the money and finding a way to get another car?



I agree... very dumb for him to visit school. But sometimes your rational is lacking when it comes to love, family, etc.....

He knew it was over.... when he was standing in street before he got in, he pretty much knew it was checkmate. Get to the woods for one last shootout, send your audio message, and say good night.

[Bender]

- Why was Vince Vaughn so concerned about the 3.5 million dollars in diamonds in his suit pocket when he just split a 12 million dollar heist with Farrell? He would rather die than give up the suit with the diamonds?
the way I took that scene, was that Vince was "put down" and/or kept in his place for a lot of his life... and when the mexicans wanted to put him in his place and humiliate him by giving up his suit, he said forget it...
Actually, I forgot about him having the diamonds when I was watching. May have to re-think it.

I agree with Ray's extreme stupidity for detouring. That is my main complaint with the episode. Several people were depending on him to bring himself and the money down south to start over.

Mex gang could have been keeping tabs on Vince Vaughn, or else just patrolling the general area around his clubs until finding him.

[DMC]

Nah, this episode was great. The only thing I didn't like about it was how Burris knew homosex cop would come out that exit.
Only episode I saw and only saw part of it. I knew homo would get it when he thought he was safe. It's too cliche'. This one has jumped the shark. Oh well. Twin Peaks recycled.

[InRareForm]

The people bitching about how bad it was, what else is out there is better besides Mr. Robot, Ray Donovan at the current moment? I will take what I can get it tbh...

[Reck]

The people bitching about how bad it was, what else is out there is better besides Mr. Robot, Ray Donovan at the current moment? I will take what I can get it tbh...

Turn, Hell on Wheels, The Americans to name a few.

And as a bonus, Humans.

[Spurminator]

Good finale, but unfortunately there were very few stakes because I was only half interested in the preceding 7 episodes. I had very little invested in any of these characters.

[redzero]

Wow, I guess Pizza wanted to make up for season one having a somewhat happy ending. Frank and Ray had to die? And Ray gave up awfully quickly when he found out that the transponder was on his car. He didn't even attempt to leave it behind and try to find another one. He just accepted that he was done for and drove off into the woods where Burris could kill him in front of no witnesses.

[MI21]

I'm a pretty seasoned TV watcher and really enjoy grit and detail, but this season was just on another level. So much detail, so many characters referred to and barely fleshed out that it made it hard to keep track of what the fuck was going on. I read these two articles, really highlights how overly complicated this shit was.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2015/08/03/true_detective_season_two_a_guide_to_the_plot_of_t his_confusing_season.html

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2015/08/10/true_detective_season_2_finale_plot_explained.html

[CosmicCowboy]

Maybe I missed something, but here are some things that bothered me with the finale.

- Why was Vince Vaughn so concerned about the 3.5 million dollars in diamonds in his suit pocket when he just split a 12 million dollar heist with Farrell? He would rather die than give up the suit with the diamonds?

- How could Farrell be so stupid as to visit his son's school when he knew that the cops would be scoping it out? And why would he get back in the bugged car instead of just grabbing the money and finding a way to get another car?

- How did the Mexican gang know where Vince Vaughn was? Magic?

- What happens with McAdams' sister and father? They have to hide out for the rest of their lives since she is still a fugitive? And what becomes of Paul's preggo gf and mom? I guess they weren't significant enough characters for us to deserve answers?


Other than that, I also didn't like the fact that 3 of the 4 main characters were killed, the other main character ends the show as a fugitive, living in another country, and depending on handing off all of the evidence to a news reporter in hopes to take down a city of corruption. And we will never know if he will be successful. So at the end of the day, they solved the case, all but 1 survived, yet no justice was served, and we will never know if it ever will be. And just to make sure that the audience isn't unhappy enough, they had to make sure to let us know that Farrell's last message to his son didn't go through.

The point was they were all broken people to start with for one reason or another. It was hopeless from the beginning. Basically the futility of trying to fight the system. Bezzarides doesn't get killed, but her spirit is broken and she is on the run for the rest of her life. All their futile thrashing trying to "make a difference" accomplished nothing. Just a dark and gloomy plot to start with.

[~O~]

This season pissed me off. The ending is very inconclusive and no can't relate to the main characters. Hell, some people here don't bother knowing their names.

The writing seemed like a vague story that was trying too hard to be a masterpiece. You understood the gist of reference and inference but it was never clear. However, you'd have to rewatch a scene if you zoned out.

[DD]

I laughed hysterically through the last 30 minutes or so.

[Kim Jong-il]

Maybe I missed something, but here are some things that bothered me with the finale.

- Why was Vince Vaughn so concerned about the 3.5 million dollars in diamonds in his suit pocket when he just split a 12 million dollar heist with Farrell? He would rather die than give up the suit with the diamonds?

- How could Farrell be so stupid as to visit his son's school when he knew that the cops would be scoping it out? And why would he get back in the bugged car instead of just grabbing the money and finding a way to get another car?

- How did the Mexican gang know where Vince Vaughn was? Magic?

- What happens with McAdams' sister and father? They have to hide out for the rest of their lives since she is still a fugitive? And what becomes of Paul's preggo gf and mom? I guess they weren't significant enough characters for us to deserve answers?


Other than that, I also didn't like the fact that 3 of the 4 main characters were killed, the other main character ends the show as a fugitive, living in another country, and depending on handing off all of the evidence to a news reporter in hopes to take down a city of corruption. And we will never know if he will be successful. So at the end of the day, they solved the case, all but 1 survived, yet no justice was served, and we will never know if it ever will be. And just to make sure that the audience isn't unhappy enough, they had to make sure to let us know that Farrell's last message to his son didn't go through.
Woodrugh's gf and mom were shown at his funeral. That's the only answer I can provide :lol

[Rust Cohle]

If the only thing keeping a person watching this shitty season is the expectation of a decent ending, then brother that person is a piece of shit.

[benefactor]

Started this for the first time tonight. Holy shit what an amazing show. I'm about halfway through the first season.

[Reck]

Started this for the first time tonight. Holy shit what an amazing show. I'm about halfway through the first season.

:lol Enjoy it as much you can.

It goes downhill----off a cliff from there.

It got so bad that HBO might not even make a third season. :lol

[JMarkJohns]

Started this for the first time tonight. Holy shit what an amazing show. I'm about halfway through the first season.

First 5 episodes were damn near perfection.

Last three are very good but felt disappointing after the first 5.

Season two was season two and independent of the title, might be better in retrospect, but it was a pretty big disappointment.

[Kim Jong-il]

Overall I felt season 2 was a lot better than the savage reviews it got, until the finale. That ending was a top 3 worst ending in any storytelling medium. Alot of endings are hated because they're controversial, or just a letdown from the rest of the show.....TDS2's ending was nonsensical, illogical, poorly written, poorly acted, just a huge shitstorm of suck

[JMarkJohns]

Overall I felt season 2 was a lot better than the savage reviews it got, until the finale. That ending was a top 3 worst ending in any storytelling medium. Alot of endings are hated because they're controversial, or just a letdown from the rest of the show.....TDS2's ending was nonsensical, illogical, poorly written, poorly acted, just a huge shitstorm of suck

I can see this. I don't think it was ever given a chance after casting concerns, and with it being linked in name to True Detective, it was always a doomed venture.

The endings of each season failed to live up to the hype, but overall season 1 was so good 1-5, you forgave the sorta thud of the last few episodes.

But the ending season 2 offered no redeeming qualities and season 2 wasn't nearly as strong as the first season, so there was no good will to buoy the season from drowning in the disappointment.

[Darth_Pelican]

http://www.konbini.com/us/entertainment/true-detective-season-3-in-the-works-at-hbo/

[JMarkJohns]

Milch has a lot of experience with HBO and also cop dramas, including one of the best, NYPD Blue. On paper, he's a brilliant hire and as a fan of Deadwood and NYPD Blue, I'm very excited to see this: but ultimately this will come down to casting.

Season 1 was almost transcendent in his characters and how they were acted. Some of whom had appearances in no more than 2 episodes, but commanded the screen.

Season 2 had almost nothing memorable, though I do think the Farrell character was a quality one, and one that was acted well, but he just didn't fit with the rest of the show, which was awful.

[Kim Jong-il]

Milch has a lot of experience with HBO and also cop dramas, including one of the best, NYPD Blue. On paper, he's a brilliant hire and as a fan of Deadwood and NYPD Blue, I'm very excited to see this: but ultimately this will come down to casting.

Season 1 was almost transcendent in his characters and how they were acted. Some of whom had appearances in no more than 2 episodes, but commanded the screen.

Season 2 had almost nothing memorable, though I do think the Farrell character was a quality one, and one that was acted well, but he just didn't fit with the rest of the show, which was awful.

Colin Farrell's character and Woodrugh were both decently interesting, but even those guys were half baked and they never went as deep with them as they should have. Woodrugh's was the only death I actually cares about.

[spurraider21]

couldn't even get through season 2. complete garbage

[benefactor]

After all the shit I heard about season 2, I never bothered with it. I'd be interested to see what they do with season 3 though.

[SpursforSix]

After all the shit I heard about season 2, I never bothered with it. I'd be interested to see what they do with season 3 though.

Same. But I'm skeptical of anything else. The first one was so perfect and Woody and Mcconaughey made everything work so well. I wish they would pay them enough money to make it worth it for them to do another series every couple of years.

[gambit1990]

i never bothered with season 2 either. didn't know there's gonna be a season 3. haven't heard anything about it.

[JMarkJohns]

Been rumored for a few months, but hiring Milch is the first real move to making it a reality.

Again, concept isn't enough. Gotta get the story right, which Milch will, and nail the casting, which Nic Piz didn't do last time.

[IronMexican]

Just rewatched season one. Gets better and better. Such an easy binge watch

[benefactor]

I watched again recently too. I've rewatched it three times and there are several episodes I've watch six or seven times.

[monosylab1k]

Season One is still incredible, but I think if anyone other than McConaughey played Rust, it wouldn't have been anywhere near as good. He carried it harder than Westbrook carried OKC this year.

[Darth_Pelican]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/true-detective-carmen-ejogo-star-opposite-mahershala-ali-season-3-1059733

[Reck]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/true-detective-carmen-ejogo-star-opposite-mahershala-ali-season-3-1059733

Do or die for the series.

Here's hoping the over extended hiatus did the trick.

[Darth_Pelican]

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[benefactor]

Was coming here to post this:lol

Looks good. I'm hoping they rediscover the feel that made season 1 so great. No one is Woody and Matt, but Ali is great and if they can build a similar environment it could be good.

[SnakeBoy]

Looks promising. Like they realized True Detective needs to be a real crime mystery and not just another cop show.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Five head wedding crashers guy nearly destroyed this franchise

[Darth_Pelican]

I am hoping to watch the first 2 episodes on Wednesday.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Think I may save up a month's worth like I did with Sharp Objects.
I dug SO but don't know if I would have stuck with it had I waited week-to-week.

[benefactor]

My body is ready

[spurraider21]

i gave up on season 2 about 1/3 of the way in, dont see myself going back to it.

but i'm willing to give season 3 a shot

[Pavlov]

i gave up on season 2 about 1/3 of the way in, dont see myself going back to it.Don't bother. It would've been just kind of a dumb show but calling it True Detective was unforgivable. The bad completely outweighs the good.


but i'm willing to give season 3 a shotOh yeah, even though the format threatens to copy season one too closely, I'm in.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

i gave up on season 2 about 1/3 of the way in, dont see myself going back to it.

but i'm willing to give season 3 a shot

Don't ever go back to it. The worst thing I've ever watched in my life

[SpursforSix]

So what's the verdict?

Is it worth re-upping HBO for a month?

[leemajors]

I thought the first two episodes were pretty good.

[Darth_Pelican]

I enjoyed the first 2 episodes.

[Bender]

i watched S3 ep1 last night, I thought it was excellent...

[Will Hunting]

Already looks way better than season 2, however Colin Farrell beating the shit out of someone with brass knuckles and then threatening to sodomize someone with a headless corpse is stil one of the most underrated scenes ever :lol

[AaronY]

Don't ever go back to it. The worst thing I've ever watched in my life
This is some over-the-top hyperbole

[Pavlov]

Yeah, looks like we're back to season one goodness.

*POSSIBLE SPOILER*

Looks a little like a variation of the West Memphis three story at first glance, but the variations are major enough to not think it's going to be predictable. Ali is so good, everyone else in the cast might end up paling in comparison.

[redzero]

I was going to say that it would be interesting to see how this season will manage to wrap everything up with two episodes left, but then I realized that nothing ever gets wrapped up in True Detective.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I was going to say that it would be interesting to see how this season will manage to wrap everything up with two episodes left, but then I realized that nothing ever gets wrapped up in True Detective.

This is where I'm kinda at, too.
On one hand, acting is great. The two cops' chemistry is top notch. In fact I love that little other cop guy. His angry face is hilarious but all so real.
On the other hand the multiple time lines, multiple stories at the same time story-telling device is kinda played out IMO.

Still blows the shitheap season 2 outta the water.

[redzero]

This is where I'm kinda at, too.
On one hand, acting is great. The two cops' chemistry is top notch. In fact I love that little other cop guy. His angry face is hilarious but all so real.
On the other hand the multiple time lines, multiple stories at the same time story-telling device is kinda played out IMO.

Still blows the shitheap season 2 outta the water.

Stephen Dorff has been great so far. The advertising and the first episode or so downplayed his role in the season. I still think he should have had more scenes centered around him, though.

In regards to season two, I liked the characters and the main four's acting, but the story sucked. The scope was far too big for eight episodes, and the ending seemed forced. I don't hate it, but removing the cult themes made the mystery far less interesting.

[redzero]

Imagine if Casey Affleck found out what really happened in Gone Baby Gone 35 years after it mattered--basically when everybody involved is either dead or grown up by then--and you would have True Detective Season 3.

It was a strange choice for an ending.

[jackyboi99]

I quit smoking about two months ago. But watching both Roland and Hays light up on the regular is one of the hardest things to watch sometimes.


Because they make it look so fkn cool, which isn’t the reality of smoking cigarettes

[Darth_Pelican]

It was definitely more of a happy ending than seasons 1 and 2. I liked that the new reporter who was making the documentary's theory of a pedophilia ring was completely wrong and she was nowhere to be seen in the finale. That was a nice subtle shout out to Rust and Marty though. This case was just much more simplistic and we were able to see the True Detectives solve it. I'm assuming Roland was gay and lived his life in the closet. Or maybe him and Tom had a secret relationship at some point. I guess the dog scene after he gets beat up at the gay bar is why he loves dogs so much in 2015. Did Wayne really forget where we was and that he was going to meet Julie at the end? Or was he faking it and just happy that she was alive and happy?

[leemajors]

It was definitely more of a happy ending than seasons 1 and 2. I liked that the new reporter who was making the documentary's theory of a pedophilia ring was completely wrong and she was nowhere to be seen in the finale. That was a nice subtle shout out to Rust and Marty though. This case was just much more simplistic and we were able to see the True Detectives solve it. I'm assuming Roland was gay and lived his life in the closet. Or maybe him and Tom had a secret relationship at some point. I guess the dog scene after he gets beat up at the gay bar is why he loves dogs so much in 2015. Did Wayne really forget where we was and that he was going to meet Julie at the end? Or was he faking it and just happy that she was alive and happy?

I think he knew exactly where he was going and faked it for the call to his son. After he left, who knows.

[redzero]

Sorry, fellas, Pizza already said that Roland wasn't gay (even before the finale) and that Hays forgot where he was or what he was doing at Julie's place.

There was also no real reason for Hays to fake his condition or for him to get out the car and talk to Julie in the first place. It's kind of hard to care about what happened in the finale, when everything has long since stopped mattering.

[Spurminator]

I'm sorry but if we're supposed to believe that Hayes, after a chance encounter with a kid and landscaper, had some sort of ghost-wife-aided epiphany that revealed Julie's true whereabouts, that's a retarded fucking ending.

I'm choosing to believe that wasn't actually Julie. That his dementia brain invented that story in his mind momentarily to give the story a happy ending. Unless someone can explain to me how it makes any sense otherwise.

[redzero]

I'm sorry but if we're supposed to believe that Hayes, after a chance encounter with a kid and landscaper, had some sort of ghost-wife-aided epiphany that revealed Julie's true whereabouts, that's a retarded fucking ending.

I'm choosing to believe that wasn't actually Julie. That his dementia brain invented that story in his mind momentarily to give the story a happy ending. Unless someone can explain to me how it makes any sense otherwise.

The contrivance is Hays knocking the book down and it just-so-happened to land on the page that mentioned Mike--the guy he met that same day. Hays then had an epiphany about Julie's actual fate, that manifested itself as his dead wife.

Pizza doesn't really do ambiguity. He already said on Instagram that Hays's episode of dementia was real, that Roland wasn't gay, and that Hays's son was supposed to figure out the mystery, but that part was cut from the finale.

Basically, once Hays and West killed that corrupt former cop, the story was over. Julie already escaped by then and Isabelle killed herself. Hoyt probably died long before 2015, so all that's left is the one-eyed black dude, whom the heroes let go.

[TheThinkingMan]

I thought it was great good season

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I'm choosing to believe that wasn't actually Julie. That his dementia brain invented that story in his mind momentarily to give the story a happy ending. Unless someone can explain to me how it makes any sense otherwise.

That's a valid interpretation, a big theme was how we tell ourselves lies to keep on going.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Great season overall. I enjoyed it.

[redzero]

That's a valid interpretation, a big theme was how we tell ourselves lies to keep on going.

The writer of the show literally said that that wasn't the case, so it isn't a "valid interpretation."

[LaMarcus Bryant]

The writer of the show literally said that that wasn't the case, so it isn't a "valid interpretation."

Ridley Scott said Decker was an android after 25 years of it being clear he wasn't, so shrug

Personally I think it was real, he forgot as he walked up the driveway, remembered again as he looked at the little girl while drinking water, then forgot once again.

[redzero]

Ridley Scott said Decker was an android after 25 years of it being clear he wasn't, so shrug

Personally I think it was real, he forgot as he walked up the driveway, remembered again as he looked at the little girl while drinking water, then forgot once again.

First of all, Ridley Scott didn't write Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? and he didn't write Blade Runner, either. Second, if a writer writes something, and then tells the reader what it means, how can that reader say, with a straight face, that the author's interpretation of his own work is wrong?

Pizza said that Hays went through an episode of dementia and that his son was supposed to solve the mystery, but it was cut. Any other interpretation is making shit up.

[leemajors]

Nothing is open to interpretation apparently.

[redzero]

Nothing is open to interpretation apparently.

If somebody tells you that what you said doesn't mean what you think you said, would you be aggravated?

[LaMarcus Bryant]

First of all, Ridley Scott didn't write Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? and he didn't write Blade Runner, either. Second, if a writer writes something, and then tells the reader what it means, how can that reader say, with a straight face, that the author's interpretation of his own work is wrong?

Pizza said that Hays went through an episode of dementia and that his son was supposed to solve the mystery, but it was cut. Any other interpretation is making shit up.

Pizza tries to be artsy and metaphorical all the time, it's not a stretch to interpret the final edit in a way that's consistent with what's been shown already.
Once the art form is created subjectivity takes over. The guy who made True Detective does not control Spurminator's perception.

[leemajors]

If somebody tells you that what you said doesn't mean what you think you said, would you be aggravated?

It happens all the time, you don't have to take it personally. Sometimes, sure. I'd probably be more aggravated with people calling me Pizza all the time, however.

[redzero]

Pizza tries to be artsy and metaphorical all the time, it's not a stretch to interpret the final edit in a way that's consistent with what's been shown already.
Once the art form is created subjectivity takes over. The guy who made True Detective does not control Spurminator's perception.

And Spurminator's perception of a piece of art, is not equally valid to the creator's perception of that art. No offense to him, but if the writer explicitly says that Spurminator's opinion is wrong, then Spurminator's opinion is wrong.

If one creates a piece of art and explicitly tells the viewer what it means, telling them that their opinion on their own work is wrong, is retarded.

Would you like it if people put words in your mouth? I wouldn't. I would hate it if somebody told me that I don't mean what I say.

[leemajors]

Meh. I think he is delighted with people interpreting what they choose and doesn't see it as refuting his vision as wrong.

[Spurminator]

And Spurminator's perception of a piece of art, is not equally valid to the creator's perception of that art. No offense to him, but if the writer explicitly says that Spurminator's opinion is wrong, then Spurminator's opinion is wrong.

If one creates a piece of art and explicitly tells the viewer what it means, telling them that their opinion on their own work is wrong, is retarded.

I'm fine with this philosophy. I didn't know they had commented on it. I prefer ambiguity in cases like this but if the writers have directly stated the meaning, then that's the meaning.

In which case, it was a stupid hack ending that ruined a good season.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I'm fine with this philosophy. I didn't know they had commented on it. I prefer ambiguity in cases like this but if the writers have directly stated the meaning, then that's the meaning.

In which case, it was a stupid hack ending that ruined a good season.

lol
It was partly annoying it wrapped up so nicely and perfectly, but OTOH I didn't have ending blue-balls like I did for True Detective 1

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[Darth_Pelican]

https://www.whattowatch.com/watching-guides/true-detective-season-4-everything-we-know

[DMC]

Jodie Foster.

No thanks.

[spurraider21]

i was about 2 episodes into season 2 and stopped watching, never went back

[ChumpDumper]

i was about 2 episodes into season 2 and stopped watching, never went backSeason 2 should've been called something else. Has nothing to do with what season 1 was at all.

Season 3 is a return to form. Can watch it totally skipping s2. God only knows what's going to happen with 4 with all the changes.

[benefactor]

Taking in season one...again