General 2016 Free Agency Discussion

[Darkwaters]

If the Spurs add a backup SF to the roster it's going to be a guy who doesn't mind racking up some DNP-CD's throughout the year. Francisco Garcia is still a decent option. He's played some really good defense in the past and he can hit the three.

I still think Bertans, a draft pick, or maybe a ring-chasing veteran (in that order). I just don't know that we're going to be players for these mid-career SF's. I think that money will be spent on a PF.

[DesignatedT]

I really wish we could unload Ayres and get a project 4 in here. Really the only request I have.

[FvckMavs]

He can't opt out after receiving the back door cash in Russia.


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Andrei Kirilenko opts in with Brooklyn for next season at $3.3M, per source. Second year of two-year deal worth $6.5M.

[ceperez]

He can't opt out after receiving the back door cash in Russia.

Pretty much confirms it, too much back door cash to refuse.

Probably only target left is Vince Carter for the minimum. Any free-agent under 30 is likely going to cost too much for the Spurs.

[Captivus]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine) 4 min (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/481427970582929410) According to my man @Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard), LeBron James' agent Rich Paul has informed Heat that LeBron will exercise early termination option

[Baam]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine) 4 min (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/481427970582929410) According to my man @Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard), LeBron James' agent Rich Paul has informed Heat that LeBron will exercise early termination option

:lol holy shit

[Chinook]

:lol holy shit

Usually means that he's opting in. I wonder why it's reversed here.

[xmas1997]

Since James for sure opted out, does anyone think RC gives his agent an exploratory call, or do the Spurs ignore it?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

There's no way the Spurs can make space for LeBron right now, outside of drastic scenarios, so I don't see why they would bother.

[xmas1997]

He doesn't need the money, according to him that is not a consideration because he is financially great.
So all it would take is making room for him.
Of course, it won't happen.

[Ocotillo]

I don't see him signing an MLE somewhere (LBJ). I keep hearing about Cleveland as a possible destination but isn't there bad blood between him and the owner there? Chicago maybe?

[cd98]

Lebron is about bolstering his legacy as a player. He needs to win at least two more titles and he has to be the main cog in doing so. Going to the Spurs as currently constituted won't really do that for him as the Spurs are winning with team ball where the MVP could be multiple players. But if he wanted to go to a team that would make him a challenger year in year out, the Spurs are the only team with that track record for the last 17 years.

[ace3g]

Chris Haynes ‏@ChrisBHaynes (https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes) 1h (https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/481560841750200320) Guard Alan Anderson has yet to inform Nets but shortly he'll notify them he's opting out to become free agent, league source informs @CSNNW (https://twitter.com/CSNNW).

[ceperez]

Chris Haynes ‏@ChrisBHaynes (https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes) 1h (https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/481560841750200320) Guard Alan Anderson has yet to inform Nets but shortly he'll notify them he's opting out to become free agent, league source informs @CSNNW (https://twitter.com/CSNNW).

He played pretty well for the Nets, unfortunately Spurs don't have the money to get him.

[Baam]

Agreed he's an underrated guy.

[Darkwaters]

Honestly, if we're looking for a cheap veteran back-up SF, we could do worse than Shawn Marion. He shoots the ball pretty well and still has respectable defense. He is old...but as a one year rental at the minimum he'd be worth a look.

[Kiwi]

How about Chris Douglas Roberts?

[benefactor]

Marion has been quoted as saying he wants to stay in Dallas. Said he will retire there when his career is over.

[Mr. Body]

Marion would be an incredible fit, IMO, but he's in a great situation and his team in Dallas requires more from him than he would be allowed to do here.

[ceperez]

Marion has been quoted as saying he wants to stay in Dallas. Said he will retire there when his career is over.

Have we heard something similar from Vince Carter? Carter has been on so many teams already, he's practically a mercenary.

Hmm.... a bad thought.... isn't Richard Jefferson also a free agent? What would the fans think if he's brought back for the minimum? He is already familiar with the system.

[elemento]

Marion would be great, but I think he stays in Dallas.

Hell no to Alan Anderson. Dude is a massive chucker.

Someone mentioned Cisco Garcia. I actually think he would be a good addition as a SF vet to backup Leonard.

[stnick2261]

Have we heard something similar from Vince Carter? Carter has been on so many teams already, he's practically a mercenary.

Hmm.... a bad thought.... isn't Richard Jefferson also a free agent? What would the fans think if he's brought back for the minimum? He is already familiar with the system.

Even for vet minimum, Jefferson was a negative on the team... do not want

[ace3g]

Jeff Rhineer ‏@jeffrhineer (https://twitter.com/jeffrhineer) 6m (https://twitter.com/jeffrhineer/status/482003444970950657) The Jazz extended a qualifying offer to Gordon Hayward. He's now a restricted free agent, the Jazz can match any offer he gets

[CGD]

Jeff Rhineer ‏@jeffrhineer (https://twitter.com/jeffrhineer) 6m (https://twitter.com/jeffrhineer/status/482003444970950657) The Jazz extended a qualifying offer to Gordon Hayward. He's now a restricted free agent, the Jazz can match any offer he gets

This is the guy to watch to get a sense of what the baseline will be for a Leonard deal

[MaNu4Tres]

Marion would be great, but I think he stays in Dallas.

Hell no to Alan Anderson. Dude is a massive chucker.

Someone mentioned Cisco Garcia. I actually think he would be a good addition as a SF vet to backup Leonard.

I was on his bandwagon last summer when he was a free agent after his stellar play for the Rockets late in 2013.

Loved the intangibles he used to provide consistently -- smart heady player; gritty/tough competitor on the defensive end (had lateral quickness and length to effectively defend) ; above average 3 point shooter who can occasionally create when facing a hard close out from spot up opportunities.

However, he regressed a lot as the year went on this past season, as he was hampered by back and knee injuries-- which derailed the confidence in his play. By the playoffs, he looked really slow and broken-- to the point where he was no longer effective on either end of the court.

Maybe an off-season of rest could do him some help. But from what I saw in the latter stages of last season, I'd pass. Rather take a small gamble on a younger player with more upside via draft or Free Agency.

He is a good friend of Duncan's though.

[bluebellmaniac]

Here is my thinking of where we are for '14-'15:

Depth Chart
PG: TP, Manu, CoJo (let's be real here, Manu plays point much better than Mills)
SG: Green, Mills, Beli (and Mills really is more of a short SG)
SF: Kawhi, Anderson, Daye
PF: Diaw,
C: TD, Splitter, Baynes, Ayers

That puts us at 14 spots. I think we keep one spot open for 10-day contracts.
I think Bertans sits out this year and comes over '15-'16. Baynes is re-signed for a couple more years. If we want to shore up the PF slot, Daye is on the hot seat with his partially guaranteed contract. We will know what the FO intends to do by the end of the month, when his contract becomes guaranteed.


for 2015-2016
PG: TP, Cojo
SG: Green, Beli, Mills
SF: Kawhi, Bertans, Daye
PF: Diaw, Anderson, LJC
C: Splitter, TD, Baynes,

Manu retires and TD would be up in the air. I think TD plays one more season, this one. Anderson moves to being primarily a PF. Bertans and LJC come over.
We still have a need at C and PG. We will be sitting at 14 players under contract. With Manu retiring, we'll have cap room for signing a decent big or PG.

Disagree? Who stays, who goes?

[CGD]

^ Daye and Anderson seem redundant after this year. Wouldn't be surprised to see Daye moved at the Feb deadline if Anderson shows good progress.

Were not talking much about it but I think Baynes may get poached this summer.

Wouldn't be surprised if Tiago is moved next summer as part of a deal to land a PF. He's the best asset not named Leonard.

[Emperor]

^ Daye and Anderson seem redundant after this year. Wouldn't be surprised to see Daye moved at the Feb deadline if Anderson shows good progress.

Were not talking much about it but I think Baynes may get poached this summer.

Wouldn't be surprised if Tiago is moved next summer as part of a deal to land a PF. He's the best asset not named Leonard.

If that's the case i really hope they target Marc Gasol to replace him.

[xmas1997]

If that's the case i really hope they target Marc Gasol to replace him.

People keep talking about his brother Pau on here, but I see nothing positive about him on the Spurs, would rather have Marc in a heartbeat.

[Emperor]

People keep talking about his brother Pau on here, but I see nothing positive about him on the Spurs, would rather have Marc in a heartbeat.

I definitely would also but wouldn't mind Pau as our 4th big since he can definitely score on offense while Timmy gets his rest. His defense obviously would be an issue though.

[bobcatfan4life]

A back up wing and another stretch 4 to replace Bonner would be nice.

[Andthentherewas21]

Haslem is now a FA, though doubt he is going anywhere

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/11149349/udonis-haslem-opts-contract-miami-heat

[Baam]

Realgm reported that Bo McCalebb wants to sign with an nba team this season, definitely on the shortlist if Mills walks...

[Chinook]

Haslem is now a FA, though doubt he is going anywhere

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/11149349/udonis-haslem-opts-contract-miami-heat

Haslem is a trooper/idiot for giving up so much money for the cause.

[jyra]

Realgm reported that Bo McCalebb wants to sign with an nba team this season, definitely on the shortlist if Mills walks...

I would add Milos Teodosic and Bobby Brown to that list. The Spurs have been linked to each guy before in rumors.

[Mel_13]

Haslem is a trooper/idiot for giving up so much money for the cause.

I'm guessing that his new deal will make him look like an idiot in much the same way that Richard Jefferson looked like an idiot four years ago.

[Darkwaters]

People keep talking about his brother Pau on here, but I see nothing positive about him on the Spurs, would rather have Marc in a heartbeat.

Well no duh. But Pau Gasol is a free agent and Marc isn't. Hence the Pau Gasol talk.

[xmas1997]

Well no duh. But Pau Gasol is a free agent and Marc isn't. Hence the Pau Gasol talk.

I know that about the Gasol brothers, but just because Pau is a free agent does not make him more desirable on the Spurs IMHO.

[FireMicoHalili]

kevinMcNamara33: Word is multiple teams would've drafted Bryce Cotton if agreed to go overseas for a yr. Now will make go of it w Spurs.

Heard Spurs were willing to give him an FA contract over just an SL contract. Probably reading too much into it but it:
(1) makes it easier for Spurs in case Mills walks. Cotton spent four years in college, played in big game situations, and looks like a winner.
(2) gives Joseph a run for his money. Seems like a better shooter and scorer than Joseph is.
(3) gives us a glut at PG yet again, if and when Mills decides to come back. We're up to four again, five, counting Anderson.

[Darkwaters]

I know that about the Gasol brothers, but just because Pau is a free agent does not make him more desirable on the Spurs IMHO.

No, it makes him more realistic. Marc isn't a realistic acquisition this season. Hence why it's not worth talking about him in realistic discussions. Acquiring him in a trade is a pipe dream.

[tdunk21]

Is chandler parsons a ufa?

[spursfan4ever]

Any idea what Chandler Parsons' looking to get this summer during free agency? As I understand, he is a restricted free agent and Houston is interested in re-signing him or matching any offer he receives from other teams according to this yahoo article: http://http://yhoo.it/1wYluwJ.

The article states the following:

"Parsons, 25, averaged 16.6 points, 5.5 rebounds and four assists while shooting 37 percent from 3-point range for the Rockets last season. Versatile at 6-foot-9, Parsons could be the best small forward available in free agency after LeBron James and Anthony. He also can play power forward in small lineups.

Parsons made $926,500 in the third year of his rookie contract last season. The Rockets' move allows Parsons to get a much bigger salary a year earlier and gives Houston salary-cap space flexibility to go after Anthony or James in free agency while still being able to match any offer sheet Parsons signs."

It would be interesting to see if RC and POP would even entertain the idea of trying to bring in a player like this to possibly challenge Danny Green in the small forward position or possibly be used to back up Kawhi.

I realize it is highly unlikely Houston would even allow Parsons to entertain the idea of coming to a in conference and rival team like the Spurs for the mid level. It is also highly unlikely that Parsons would even consider accepting the offer.

I guess anything could be possible if Houston is busy trying to land bigger fish.

[objective]

the free agent class, the attainable members of it for the Spurs that is, looks like garbage.

Really disappointed that Kirilenko stayed with the Nets. He would have been perfect, even for the full MLE. His health issues would have been handled with how Pop would have kept his minutes low and given him games off.

Nobody else that's realistic for the MLE looks any good. Hell, some of these guys will get bigger than MLE deals because of how thin the star crop is compared to cap room available, like Josh McRoberts. Marvin Williams might be able to squeeze a full mid-level or even more. Pau might get more from Dallas or Miami. Same with Marion. Don't think the Spurs can pay those guys what they can command.

Some of the other interesting players are restricted, like Ed Davis or Patrick Patterson or PJ Tucker, maybe Udoh, and I don't think the MLE would be enough to scare off their old teams.

A bunch of old scrubs is pretty much all that's left: Jefferson, Caron Butler, Danny Granger, Kenyon Martin, Rashard Lewis ...

It's so dire I wouldn't be surprised if the Spurs don't even use their exceptions and just put money into keeping their guys.

Too bad Bruno's not around, maybe he would have some free agent Euros who would be possibilities to bring over.

The free agent possibilities are so poor it actually makes me want to see the Spurs sign some of the foreign second rounders even more. Sign a guy like Bertans now using part of the MLE, so it's not an issue of having to worry about space or room exceptions for him when they do have a ton of cap room after Duncan and Ginobili retire. Not that he would cost a lot, but the MLE could allow for longer deal. The leftover of the MLE should be enough to cover whatever unremarkable vet they have to sign to cover any free agency losses.

[elemento]

Is chandler parsons a ufa?

No he is restricted. That's why Houston chose to deny his contract option. His cap hold is still small and it doesn't affect much Houston's cap situation.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Once they acquired Elfrid Payton on draft night, Magic pulled back tender that would have made E'Twaun Moore restricted free agent. UFA now

[Duncan2177]

I'm not sure the spurs FO are going to commit long term money to patty or Boris. I think they want to keep cap flexibility to bring in free agents.

[Mr Bones]

I think it's a misconception to say that Josh McRoberts would be unnecessary because he has a game similar to Boris Diaw's-- their main similarity is in being great passers, and McRoberts actually has a better assist to turnover rate than Diaw or anyone in the entire league other than Chris Paul, which means he has a better assist to turnover rate than 29 of the 30 starting point guards and all of the back up point guards in the NBA. That's a pretty impressive accomplishment for a 6'10" power forward. Unlike having too many scorers, there's really no such thing as having "too many" good passers on the floor at the same time. Not in the Spurs' system. And it's clear that the Spurs feel this way too, because they drafted Kyle Anderson, who is yet another player in that same mold.

[Baam]

I think it's a misconception to say that Josh McRoberts would be unnecessary because he has a game similar to Boris Diaw's-- their main similarity is in being great passers, and McRoberts actually has a better assist to turnover rate than Diaw or anyone in the entire league other than Chris Paul, which means he has a better assist to turnover rate than 29 of the 30 starting point guards and all of the back up point guards in the NBA. That's a pretty impressive accomplishment for a 6'10" power forward. Unlike having too many scorers, there's really no such thing as having "too many" good passers on the floor at the same time. Not in the Spurs' system. And it's clear that the Spurs feel this way too, because they drafted Kyle Anderson, who is yet another player in that same mold.

Well it's nice an all but he also played with the number one low post player in the league so let's not act let he's some passing prodigy either...

McRoberts would be very hard to get... The Suns, the Rockets and probably some other teams would give him more than the MLE and a bigger role... Seriously doubt you can sell McRoberts on being a MLE player and a 4th big... That seems so unlikely that I don't get why he's talked about so much...

[Richie]

Well it's nice an all but he also played with the number one low post player in the league so let's not act let he's some passing prodigy either...

McRoberts would be very hard to get... The Suns, the Rockets and probably some other teams would give him more than the MLE and a bigger role... Seriously doubt you can sell McRoberts on being a MLE player and a 4th big... That seems so unlikely that I don't get why he's talked about so much...

As for his passing, he's as good as it gets for a big man. He had the best assist of the year IMO


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-6Xy2TAW6Q

There's no way he gets more than the MLE IMO, and even the full MLE (~$5m) seems like a bit of a stretch for him if it's for multiple years. The reason he gets talked about is exactly because he won't be commanding a big deal, and is likely attainable for $5m/1yr.

[Baam]

As for his passing, he's as good as it gets for a big man. He had the best assist of the year IMO


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-6Xy2TAW6Q

There's no way he gets more than the MLE IMO, and even the full MLE (~$5m) seems like a bit of a stretch for him if it's for multiple years. The reason he gets talked about is exactly because he won't be commanding a big deal, and is likely attainable for $5m/1yr.

So he'd be fine fine with being a 4th big for a sub-MLE salary? Ok let's revisit that once the off-season is over...

[Mr Bones]

Well it's nice an all but he also played with the number one low post player in the league so let's not act let he's some passing prodigy either...

McRoberts would be very hard to get... The Suns, the Rockets and probably some other teams would give him more than the MLE and a bigger role... Seriously doubt you can sell McRoberts on being a MLE player and a 4th big... That seems so unlikely that I don't get why he's talked about so much...


I've watched him play quite a bit and I'd say he is a passing prodigy for a 6'10" PF. I agree that in most cases the offer of 3rd or 4th big wouldn't necessarily be too appealing, but the Spurs are an unusual case. They play a deeper bench than most teams and have an aging superstar PF/C whose coach wants to rest him as much as possible in the regular season. If Duncan averages 25 mpg next year and Splitter and Diaw average the same mpg as last season, that leaves 25 mpg for McRoberts... not too different from his 30 mpg last season with Charlotte. I don't think he'll get the higher money offers because his scoring average is low for a starter-- that's a built in bias that most nba teams have.

[Richie]

So he'd be fine fine with being a 4th big for a sub-MLE salary? Ok let's revisit that once the off-season is over...

Im not saying someone won't offer him the full MLE for multiple years, but they'll regret it. I think 4th big on a championship contender is about his level tbh, any team giving him a bigger role won't be winning many games.

I think a good contract for him would be around $10m/3yr, which is why I think we should consider offering him $5m/1yr. Less guaranteed money but it's a 50% bump in per year salary.

[Chinook]

So he'd be fine fine with being a 4th big for a sub-MLE salary? Ok let's revisit that once the off-season is over...

I think he'd start, honestly.

[xmas1997]

I think he'd start, honestly.

Wow, that is saying a lot, you really do like this guy.

[TD 21]

I think he'd start, honestly.

Yeah. Even if they started Diaw, they'd literally split minutes in the regular season anyway, so it wouldn't really matter. And because he's young and wouldn't be one of their three most important bigs, he'd probably end up eating up the 2nd most total minutes amongst bigs in the regular season, the way Belinelli did amongst the wings.

I expect him to re-sign, but if the Spurs come calling and offer him that role, at the MLE, they'd probably have a near 50% chance. They could also sell him on them not having a long term answer at PF (not that he'd be it, obviously; but he wouldn't know that). The Hornets have two recent lottery picks to contend with.

[Baam]

I don't think it's worth debating tbh as I'm convinced they can't sign both.

[Richie]

I think he'd start, honestly.

Timmy and Tiago will be our starting bigs next year regardless of who we sign.

[BackHome]

Yeah. Even if they started Diaw, they'd literally split minutes in the regular season anyway, so it wouldn't really matter. And because he's young and wouldn't be one of their three most important bigs, he'd probably end up eating up the 2nd most total minutes amongst bigs in the regular season, the way Belinelli did amongst the wings.

I expect him to re-sign, but if the Spurs come calling and offer him that role, at the MLE, they'd probably have a near 50% chance. They could also sell him on them not having a long term answer at PF (not that he'd be it, obviously; but he wouldn't know that). The Hornets have two recent lottery picks to contend with.

I kinda think it might have a chance since most teams are going to be chasing Lebron, Carmelo, they won't be signing anyone. We could come out quick and make the above case plus his game is like Anderson he would do so well here.

[Chinook]

Timmy and Tiago will be our starting bigs next year regardless of who we sign.

The Spurs would not pour $4 Million-plus into the PF position in one off-season just to start two centers.

[Richie]

The Spurs would not pour $4 Million-plus into the PF position in one off-season just to start two centers.

We paid Bonner $4m last year for exactly that. I guess neither of us knows for sure, but if we did bring in McRoberts he would be a direct replacement for Bonner as the 4th big and to get minutes while the other bigs rest.

I don't see any way we don't start Timmy/Tiago next year. While I agree with you it does hinder Kawhi somewhat, we need to become a good team playing big if we are to go up against Portland, Dallas or Clippers in the playoffs.

[Chinook]

We paid Bonner $4m last year for exactly that. I guess neither of us knows for sure, but if we did bring in McRoberts he would be a direct replacement for Bonner as the 4th big and to get minutes while the other bigs rest.

I don't see any way we don't start Timmy/Tiago next year. While I agree with you it does hinder Kawhi somewhat, we need to become a good team playing big if we are to go up against Portland, Dallas or Clippers in the playoffs.

I mean $40 Million-plus.

[objective]

LA times reporting that pau gasol will meet with the thunder, the bulls, and the warriors

[elemento]

McBob had a great year, but he is no Diaw. The more I look the FAs, the more I want to keep Diaw, even if SA needs to overpay a bit.

[Richie]

I mean $40 Million-plus.

Where's $40m of PF coming from? I only want McRoberts for one season at $5m, Diaw will get max $25m/4yr. If Bonner comes back it's for the minimum and just one year.

[Chinook]

Where's $40m of PF coming from? I only want McRoberts for one season at $5m, Diaw will get max $25m/4yr. If Bonner comes back it's for the minimum and just one year.

Why do you keep acting like it's only your opinion of contracts that matters? McRoberts probably wouldn't sign a one-year deal. If the Spurs pick him up, it would be for a good deal of money over multiple years. They wouldn't pay him that to be a second PF off the bench.

[DesignatedT]

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[Richie]

Why do you keep acting like it's only your opinion of contracts that matters? McRoberts probably wouldn't sign a one-year deal. If the Spurs pick him up, it would be for a good deal of money over multiple years. They wouldn't pay him that to be a second PF off the bench.

Well obviously in the discussion I'm only going to use my opinion on contract valuations, what else would you expect? I'm not clairvoyant, I don't know what any of these players will earn in future, I'm just estimating what is best for both the players and Spurs.

If McRoberts wants multiple years, which is a strong possibility, I don't think the Spurs would pick him up to begin with. I think it's clear from the structuring of Splitters contract and signing Ayres and Belinelli to only 2 year deals shows that they are targeting free agency in 2015, if McRoberts gets multiple years it won't be from us (at least not guaranteed).

In fact I think your whole point is contradictory to begin with. You say Spurs wouldn't pay him a multi-year deal to come off the bench as the 2nd PF, so he'd be starting in the place of Tiago. In that case, they'll be paying Diaw or Splitter more money to do the same thing. If he came for the full MLE, he'd be the 4th highest paid big man, so why wouldn't he be the 4th big as Bonner was this year?

[CGD]

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YES!!

[FireMicoHalili]

AlexKennedyNBA: After being waived, sources say that Jameer Nelson wants to join a contender. At this point in his career, winning is most important to him.

[CGD]

Ed Davis for the full MLE. Move Ayers

[MI21]

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If Mills bolted?

[Godbama]

I heard talk of the Spurs one of many teams interested in Rashard Lewis? :wakeup

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
Heat free agent forward Rashard Lewis is expecting interest from Miami, Indiana, Oklahoma City, Toronto and San Antonio, a source said.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

After drafting Anderson, guaranteeing Daye's contract and making a QO to Baynes, the Spurs are very unlikely to spend the MLE, unless they lose Mills or Diaw. 14 roster spots taken.

[CGD]

I heard talk of the Spurs one of many teams interested in Rashard Lewis? :wakeup

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
Heat free agent forward Rashard Lewis is expecting interest from Miami, Indiana, Oklahoma City, Toronto and San Antonio, a source said.

Great mentor for Slomo

[exstatic]

After drafting Anderson, guaranteeing Daye's contract and making a QO to Baynes, the Spurs are very unlikely to spend the MLE, unless they lose Mills or Diaw. 14 roster spots taken.

Assuming Bonner is re-signed...

[exstatic]

I heard talk of the Spurs one of many teams interested in Rashard Lewis? :wakeup

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
Heat free agent forward Rashard Lewis is expecting interest from Miami, Indiana, Oklahoma City, Toronto and San Antonio, a source said.

Too old. Too uninterested in defense.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Assuming Bonner is re-signed...

Nope , if Bonner is re-signed too that makes a roster of 15 :

1. Duncan
2. Parker
3. Ginobili
4. Kawhi
5. Tiago
6. Diaw
7. Marco
8. Mills
9. Green
10.Baynes
11.CoJo
12.Daye
13.Ayers
14.Anderson
15.

[exstatic]

Nope , if Bonner is re-signed too that makes a roster of 15 :

1. Duncan
2. Parker
3. Ginobili
4. Kawhi
5. Tiago
6. Diaw
7. Marco
8. Mills
9. Green
10.Baynes
11.CoJo
12.Daye
13.Ayers
14.Anderson
15.

That's actually what I meant. They won't spend the MLE if Bonner is re-signed, because there wouldn't be a spot open.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I doubt they'd go with 15 guaranteed contracts and 0 open roster spots into the season. IMO they won't use the MLE even if they do not re-sign Bonner. Unless they trade away CoJo or Ayers for a TE somewhere.

[Mel_13]

I doubt they'd go with 15 guaranteed contracts and 0 open roster spots into the season. IMO they won't use the MLE even if they do not re-sign Bonner. Unless they trade away CoJo or Ayers for a TE somewhere.

I agree with those that view Daye as expendable. If the right FA opportunity presents itself, I believe that they'll sign that player and worry about the roster spot when they have to.

They're likely to be way below the tax threshold, so waiving a minimum contract is not out of the question. Malcolm Thomas' contract became fully guaranteed on January 10th and he was waived less than two weeks later. (The Spurs didn't have to eat his salary because Utah claimed Thomas, but they were ready to pay him off)

[Darkwaters]

They're likely to be way below the tax threshold, so waiving a minimum contract is not out of the question. Malcolm Thomas' contract became fully guaranteed on January 10th and he was waived less than two weeks later. (The Spurs didn't have to eat his salary because Utah claimed Thomas, but they were ready to pay him off)

I whole-heartedly agree. I said this in another thread and had some strong opposition. But I think they're potentially taking a wait-and-see approach with Daye. If he flails then they can cut him.

I personally think that the Spurs probably try and spend the MLE and reload with a nice piece. However, holding onto that exception until the trade deadline and buyouts start happening might be very valuable. Every year there is a quality player that gets bought out, and being able to offer a chance at a championship and the full MLE would be huge. Most teams usually just have minimum contracts and maybe their BAE.

[Mel_13]

I whole-heartedly agree. I said this in another thread and had some strong opposition. But I think they're potentially taking a wait-and-see approach with Daye. If he flails then they can cut him.

I personally think that the Spurs probably try and spend the MLE and reload with a nice piece. However, holding onto that exception until the trade deadline and buyouts start happening might be very valuable. Every year there is a quality player that gets bought out, and being able to offer a chance at a championship and the full MLE would be huge. Most teams usually just have minimum contracts and maybe their BAE.

Plus there are always players who are aiming for an above-MLE contract who are left out when all the cap space dries up. Typically, the Spurs make their free agent moves early in the window. I think they'll busy themselves with Boris and Patty first and then survey the FA market after the cap space teams have used up all their bullets. There are likely to be players available for less than their predicted prices.

[Mel_13]

Gustavo Ayon did not receive a qualifying offer and becomes unrestricted free agent. Mike Scott and Shelvin Mack received offers.
https://twitter.com/ajchawks

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Gustavo Ayon did not receive a qualifying offer and becomes unrestricted free agent. Mike Scott and Shelvin Mack received offers.
https://twitter.com/ajchawks

Decent insurance option if Bonner and Baynes are out.

[Andthentherewas21]

Jodie Meeks to DET for 3yr/19Mil per Woj

[xmas1997]

Does any one on here know if James wants the max from all teams, except for Miami which he will take a pay cut for?

[Darkwaters]

Plus there are always players who are aiming for an above-MLE contract who are left out when all the cap space dries up. Typically, the Spurs make their free agent moves early in the window. I think they'll busy themselves with Boris and Patty first and then survey the FA market after the cap space teams have used up all their bullets. There are likely to be players available for less than their predicted prices.

Frankly, I think the explanation for that is pretty simple. The Spurs obviously target very specific players for their system. Just because a player has talent doesn't mean he'd be a good fit and be able to exploit that talent in San Antonio. By making precise and targeted moves, the Spurs get the player they want. But waiting it out they obviously risk having money to spend but nobody worthy in their eyes of receiving it. So, it's a dice roll. But if we literally stayed pat and added nobody (but brought everyone else back) it's hard to really object too much with the results we've already achieved. Maybe it's worth the gamble?

[Darkwaters]

Does any one on here know if James wants the max from all teams, except for Miami which he will take a pay cut for?

Not sure. He won't return my calls.

[Mel_13]

Frankly, I think the explanation for that is pretty simple. The Spurs obviously target very specific players for their system. Just because a player has talent doesn't mean he'd be a good fit and be able to exploit that talent in San Antonio. By making precise and targeted moves, the Spurs get the player they want. But waiting it out they obviously risk having money to spend but nobody worthy in their eyes of receiving it. So, it's a dice roll. But if we literally stayed pat and added nobody (but brought everyone else back) it's hard to really object too much with the results we've already achieved. Maybe it's worth the gamble?

If they can retain Boris and Patty, then I think it is.

[mosdef17]

Not sure what if we have the roster spots left, especially if Cotton sticks... But for me - I can't think of anyone more perfect to offer 2 years at full MLE to other than Shawn Marion.

Have Spurs used any part of the MLE yet?

[Baam]

Not sure what if we have the roster spots left, especially if Cotton sticks... But for me - I can't think of anyone more perfect to offer 2 years at full MLE to other than Shawn Marion.

Have Spurs used any part of the MLE yet?

Would be a great option tbh... But if they dont start Boris and make him the backup 4 I doubt there's enough minutes for someone like him...

[mosdef17]

Would be a great option tbh... But if they dont start Boris and make him the backup 4 I doubt there's enough minutes for someone like him...

I agree with that. I would think they could play Marion as backup SF/PF. Without going through a thorough analysis - I'm sure they can find 18-20mins for him per night. Let's not forget, Marion will be turning 37 in May 2015. 18 minutes on a contender could be exactly what he's looking for at age 36/37/38.

The greatest benefit of a guy like Marion is one more player that can guard KD come playoff time. Although Kawhi has shown he can take on major defensive responsibilities and continue scoring on the other end, it's probably not the desired way to play.

[Baam]

Interesting insider article by Pelton about next year FAs :

http://hawksquawk.net/community/topic/396813-next-level-look-at-2015-free-agency-milsap-dmc/

[Drom John]

Interesting insider article by Pelton about next year FAs :

http://hawksquawk.net/community/topic/396813-next-level-look-at-2015-free-agency-milsap-dmc/

Chinook: Howzabout starting a "General 2015 Free Agency Discussion" thread?

[Chinook]

Chinook: Howzabout starting a "General 2015 Free Agency Discussion" thread?

Not yet. One, we're still in this FA period. Two, Bruno didn't start this thread until January. That's about when I'll start the next one.

[spurraider21]

Spurs signed Tony Parker to a 3 year max extension

[Chinook]

Spurs signed Tony Parker to a 3 year max extension

... TSpence, is that you?

[TheCerebral1]

Jamaal Franklin (SDSU) and formerly of the Grizzlies was just recently waived. I loved him when he was drafted, but am not sure how he's favored as a pro. A solid buy low candidate on the wings.

[Richie]

Jamaal Franklin (SDSU) and formerly of the Grizzlies was just recently waived. I loved him when he was drafted, but am not sure how he's favored as a pro. A solid buy low candidate on the wings.

Coming out of college his shooting was a big question mark but he's hit 37% in the D League on over 4 attempts per game. I'd love to bring him in, surprised he hasn't been linked to us by the media. He seems exactly the kind of player Spurs like to bring in.

[Chinook]

So CSKA Moscow's Milos Teodosic would be willing to make the leap to the NBA if he got a multi-year deal averaging in excess of $3 Million per annum. If the Spurs end up doing a roster-clearing trade for a forward or center, I wouldn't mind using the MLE on him at all. He's considered to be a star in Europe, though his actual numbers leave something to be desired. As a replacement for Beli and then Manu, he'd be about as good as it gets. The only problem is that he seems to be concerned with having a big role, and that wouldn't happen this year.

The good news is that he's still under contract this year, so it's likely he'll still be around next summer when the roster is clearer. With Messina (Teodosic's former coach, I believe) on staff and a strong reputation with the international community, I think the team would have a great chance at getting him if they want him. He may even take the room exception.

[Mel_13]

So CSKA Moscow's Milos Teodosic would be willing to make the leap to the NBA if he got a multi-year deal averaging in excess of $3 Million per annum. If the Spurs end up doing a roster-clearing trade for a forward or center, I wouldn't mind using the MLE on him at all. He's considered to be a star in Europe, though his actual numbers leave something to be desired. As a replacement for Beli and then Manu, he'd be about as good as it gets. The only problem is that he seems to be concerned with having a big role, and that wouldn't happen this year.

The good news is that he's still under contract this year, so it's likely he'll still be around next summer when the roster is clearer. With Messina (Teodosic's former coach, I believe) on staff and a strong reputation with the international community, I think the team would have a great chance at getting him if they want him. He may even take the room exception.

He signed a new three year deal on June 30th. FWIW, this article says there is no opt out clause:



By Nikos Varlas/ [email protected]

Milos Teodosic agreed to extend his contract with CSKA for the next three years! The 27 years old Serbian guard will continue to be among the leaders of the team in its backcourt until the summer of 2017.

Teodosic feels comfortable at Moscow and his wish was to renew his contract. However, his salary won’t be as high as in his previous three years contract, which was signed back on 2011. As it turned out, the new coach of the team, Dimitris Itoudis trusts him and he wanted Milos to stay at Moscow.

During last season until his injury Milos had a pretty good year and the front office of the club was also willing to give Milos one more chance to lead the team to the Euroleague top. So, though his career in Moscow after his transfer from Olympiacos in 2011 is marked so far with three Final Four failures, Teodosic will stay in CSKA in order to finally make things happen under coach Itoudis’ instructions.

UPDATE: The new three year is signed on Sunday with Milos Teodosic getting a guaranteed deal for the next three seasons without any opt out clause.


http://www.eurohoops.net/2014/06/dunks/51753

[Chinook]

He signed a new three year deal on June 30th. FWIW, this article says there is no opt out clause

Yeah, I read that last night as well. I'm not sure if he can be bought out, though. It seems possible, since he said in an interview that he'd leave if he didn't think he was in CSKA's plans for the future. My guess is that the team would be willing to accept a buyout, especially if the team takes a sizable step back after losing Messina. Teodosic is slated to make $7 Million over the next three years, which is pocket change in the NBA. I could definitely seem him being willing to jump if the money is good enough.

I find it strange that all these NBA rumors just resurfaced. I also find it strange that he took a pay cut to re-sign with the team.

[Mel_13]

Yeah, I read that last night as well. I'm not sure if he can be bought out, though. It seems possible, since he said in an interview that he'd leave if he didn't think he was in CSKA's plans for the future. My guess is that the team would be willing to accept a buyout, especially if the team takes a sizable step back after losing Messina. Teodosic is slated to make $7 Million over the next three years, which is pocket change in the NBA. I could definitely seem him being willing to jump if the money is good enough.

I find it strange that all these NBA rumors just resurfaced. I also find it strange that he took a pay cut to re-sign with the team.

I guess we'll stay tuned. In addition to the upcoming roster vacancies, he played under Messina for the last two seasons and Pop can speak his native language, so he would seem to fit.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Teodosic is a good player but he strikes me as the kind of euroleague player whose game wouldn't transition too well to the NBA. As a 27/28 yr old star in euroleague he's also unlikely to accept a backup PG role for the foreseeable future, nor would the Spurs pay as much as needed to get him for such a role. He won't be able to play SG in the NBA.

[Richie]

I know it's not til next year, but how much do you think Stoudemire will get next year? He could play with Splitter because of his mid range jumper but I'd worry about his defence next to Diaw.

Obviously depends on what we'd want to do with resigning players, but if we want to roll over our cap space to 2016 we could do worse than giving Amar'e a $10m/1yr deal. No idea how to gauge what his value is in free agency, when he's healthy he's still a useful player.

[Chinook]

I can't say at all. If he's healthy, he could get a two-year deal averaging $10-13 Million. If he has another hurt season, he may be looking at a min deal. If healthy, he'd be a good piece to get, but I wouldn't consider him enough of a get to feel confident about the team without Duncan and Ginobili. The team would also need to get a bench player who can lead that unit.

[Richie]

I can't say at all. If he's healthy, he could get a two-year deal averaging $10-13 Million. If he has another hurt season, he may be looking at a min deal. If healthy, he'd be a good piece to get, but I wouldn't consider him enough of a get to feel confident about the team without Duncan and Ginobili. The team would also need to get a bench player who can lead that unit.

The Amar'e plan was assuming that at least Duncan comes back. If both Timmy and Manu retire we have cap space to throw a max deal at Aldridge or Gasol.

[Chinook]

The Amar'e plan was assuming that at least Duncan comes back. If both Timmy and Manu retire we have cap space to throw a max deal at Aldridge or Gasol.
Having money and getting the player are different things, though. STAT has to be near the top of the list after the star PFs go off the board. After LMA and Love, Amare would probably be third behind Lopez and O'Quinn for bigs I'd want the team to target.

[Baam]

Beasley and Franklin are both going to China :depressed... Imo they should have made room to add them, not like Beli and Bonner are that reliable...

[Chinook]

Beasley and Franklin are both going to China :depressed... Imo they should have made room to add them, not like Beli and Bonner are that reliable...

Liked the idea of Franklin. Glad he's not going to another NBA team. He'll be available again in March, and the Spurs should be able to outbid everyone else/provide a multi-year contract if he has a good season. Not sad about Beasley, though I don't dislike him the way some on here do. Interested to see what Anderson does in the few minutes he gets.

[Godbama]

Looks like the Celtics might waive Vitor Faverani?
I didn't know he was also a Brazilian center.

[elemento]

Boston about to waive Will Bynum.

He isn't a bad backup PG ! Too bad he can't shoot from deep. Otherwise, he would be a decent a addition.

[exstatic]

Boston about to waive Will Bynum.

He isn't a bad backup PG ! Too bad he can't shoot from deep. Otherwise, he would be a decent a addition.

Except we've already got 15 guaranteed contracts. It's real easy for Spursfan to spend their money by saying "just cut someone", but that's extremely unlikely just to sign a short term bench replacement.

[elemento]

Except we've already got 15 guaranteed contracts. It's real easy for Spursfan to spend their money by saying "just cut someone", but that's extremely unlikely just to sign a short term bench replacement.

Yeah I know that. But depending on the player, it might be worth it (not saying it's the case of Bynum). Last season they cut Malcom Thomas and he had a fully guaranteed contract. Ayres and Daye would probably be the most likely candidates.

[Chinook]

Quincy Miller got released by Denver. I know some people here wanted him as a trade target. Well, now he's out there for anyone to get.

[exstatic]

Yeah I know that. But depending on the player, it might be worth it (not saying it's the case of Bynum). Last season they cut Malcom Thomas and he had a fully guaranteed contract. Ayres and Daye would probably be the most likely candidates.

That was a perfect storm of Green/Kawhi/Manu all getting hurt in an overlapping timeframe with at least two of them out at a time. They essentially had Beli, DeColo and the portly Diaw as their wing cadre. They also didn't end up eating his contract, as Utah picked him up off waivers. They'll have a much easier time with training camp and the preseason to figure out how to cover Patty's 18-19 minutes.

[elemento]

FTR

Doron Lamb, Bernard James and Ivan Johnson got waived by the Mavs ! Plus the Raps waived Jordan Hamilton

Some interesting names !

[FlAVaK]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn8KAAPrBSQ

[FlAVaK]

Malcom Thomas joins Sixers (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--sixers-sign-forward-malcolm-thomas-021456847.html)

[99 Problems]

Your thoughts Spurs faithful.

looks as if Jimmy Butler is available summer next. Not sure Bulls have the flexibility they may need in cap.
if we had Butler and Kawhi would we monster teams for the next decade?

[exstatic]

Your thoughts Spurs faithful.

looks as if Jimmy Butler is available summer next. Not sure Bulls have the flexibility they may need in cap.
if we had Butler and Kawhi would we monster teams for the next decade?

Jimmy Butler will be restricted. Like San Antonio with Kawhi, CHI just wants to see what the market is.

[Richie]

Jimmy Butler will be restricted. Like San Antonio with Kawhi, CHI just wants to see what the market is.

I'm not sure Butler is quite so cut and dry for the Bulls. A Parsons 2+1 max might be enough to get him from the Bulls as they'd almost certainly be forced in to the tax to match it, although it's clearly an overpay.

The Thunder are in a similar situation with Reggie Jackson. With Mills and Parker I don't see us needing him, but if the Thunder are still operating under the premise of avoiding the tax at all costs then they would almost certainly not match a max offer.

[99 Problems]

Yer, I wondered about something back ended that may hamper Bulls. When Deng went down Butler got his chance and his improvement ongoing in a short timespan has been something else.

[CGD]

Should probably rename this thread to 2015?

Thread will become relevant if TD and Manu decide to retire this after this season, as the Spurs will have max money to lure a sidekick for KL.

Some intrguiging bigs available next summer:

Aldridge
M. Gasol
Monroe
Milsap

TP-KL-LA core, with green and Tiagos would be a solid starting 5 in a post TD/Manu world.

[FlAVaK]

But the winning factor, the thing about playing for a contender, would it be something important for you apart from the money?

AS: I mean I've accomplished so much during my career – six-time All-Star to Rookie of the Year to FIBA Americas gold medal games to bronze medal at the Olympics to All-NBA First team... I've accomplished a lot in my career... I think the next phase in my career is to win a championship. So I want to do whatever I can from a basketball standpoint to improve as a player, to get better on both ends of the basketball court, to be an intricate part to a championship-caliber team.

http://hoopshype.com/interviews/barrigon/amare-stoudemire-the-next-phase-in-my-career-is-to-win-a-championship

[exstatic]

No contract that Amare signs from here out will ever be able to be insured because of his chronic health issues. The Spurs will not take the chance of having to eat an entire non-insured contract.

[exstatic]

I'm warming to the idea of Austin Rivers. He's got that Danny Green slow development curve thing going on. He's improved each season, can defend, and handle the ball and distribute reasonably well. He's playing 21 minutes, scoring 8.4 pts, dishing 2.6 assists, and grabbing 1.8 boards. His FG% is 57.4, and his 3G% is 41.7. He'll be unrestricted since NO didn't pick up his year 4 option.

[Mr Bones]

I'm still watching Brandan Wright. His PER, +/-, and FG% percentage are off the charts, and his block/foul ratio is great, playing 18 mpg. He's a late bloomer who's just peaking, and nobody's better at using role players in match ups than Pop. If Duncan were to come back for one more year and play 25 mpg, Wright would platoon perfectly with Splitter and Diaw.

[pad300]

I'm warming to the idea of Austin Rivers. He's got that Danny Green slow development curve thing going on. He's improved each season, can defend, and handle the ball and distribute reasonably well. He's playing 21 minutes, scoring 8.4 pts, dishing 2.6 assists, and grabbing 1.8 boards. His FG% is 57.4, and his 3G% is 41.7. He'll be unrestricted since NO didn't pick up his year 4 option.

Rivers has looked good so far, but it's 7 or 8 games (and 170 minutes). He's shooting a fg% 17% above his career average. Other than that, there's not much different about him. Let's see if he can keep that up...

[Mr Bones]

Another interesting free agent who wouldn't be very expensive would be Luc Richard Mbah a Moute. His stock has dropped since the days when Kevin Durant called him the best defender in the league, but in the right situation, he could still be very valuable, especially for a relatively low price. Imagine the defensive intensity of a small ball line up of Green, Leonard, and Mbah a Moute...

[exstatic]

I'm still watching Brandan Wright. His PER, +/-, and FG% percentage are off the charts, and his block/foul ratio is great, playing 18 mpg. He's a late bloomer who's just peaking, and nobody's better at using role players in match ups than Pop. If Duncan were to come back for one more year and play 25 mpg, Wright would platoon perfectly with Splitter and Diaw.

I like Wright, but he seems to have found a home in Dallas.

[venitian navigator]

Whattabout Kirilenko? looks like he is out of the rotation for the nets, but just experience like imho would be an improvement over an Ayers/Daye combo. I think he took a low salary, so he should just be available via trade ...

[Chinook]

Should probably rename this thread to 2015?

I'm still waiting on making that one. Bruno waited until January to make this one, but I'm thinking I'll go for next month, because this is shaping up to be the most important FA period in a long time for the Spurs.

[Chinook]

I'm warming to the idea of Austin Rivers. He's got that Danny Green slow development curve thing going on. He's improved each season, can defend, and handle the ball and distribute reasonably well. He's playing 21 minutes, scoring 8.4 pts, dishing 2.6 assists, and grabbing 1.8 boards. His FG% is 57.4, and his 3G% is 41.7. He'll be unrestricted since NO didn't pick up his year 4 option.

I do wish the Spurs could have traded Ayres and a second for Rivers in the off-season. He would have been a pretty good player to have right now with Cory hurt, and in 2015, he'd've been a great fit between Mills and Anderson as the bench perimeter crew. The problem is that he's probably going to be overpaid in the summer. Unless the Spurs get a sweet deal on a FA big man, they won't be able to afford to pay that much coin for an eighth or ninth man.

[Uriel]

I'm still waiting on making that one. Bruno waited until January to make this one, but I'm thinking I'll go for next month, because this is shaping up to be the most important FA period in a long time for the Spurs.
Much appreciated. :tu While you're at it, we'd also appreciate it if you could make a 2015 Draft Discussion thread.

[exstatic]

I do wish the Spurs could have traded Ayres and a second for Rivers in the off-season. He would have been a pretty good player to have right now with Cory hurt, and in 2015, he'd've been a great fit between Mills and Anderson as the bench perimeter crew. The problem is that he's probably going to be overpaid in the summer. Unless the Spurs get a sweet deal on a FA big man, they won't be able to afford to pay that much coin for an eighth or ninth man.

Being unrestricted, and not a big man, I really don't see teams throwing a boatload of cash at Rivers.

[Chinook]

Being unrestricted, and not a big man, I really don't see teams throwing a boatload of cash at Rivers.

Yeah, but I see him getting more than the room exception, which is what's important.

[DPG21920]

Rivers sucks - has anyone actually watched him play a string of games?

[Mr Bones]

I'm liking Paul Millsap more and more... His assist numbers have improved steadily throughout his career to the point where he now ranks as one of the best PF assist guys in the league. He might really thrive in the Spurs' system. His rebounding is good, but not outstanding. His +/- numbers have been good, and he is beginning to consistently shoot the 3 at a respectable percentage. He also currently leads the NBA in steals per game. I'm kind of assuming that Aldridge & Gasol are not coming to San Antonio, in which case a less expensive Millsap might be the next best option.

[ss1986v2]

I think I'm all in on Millsap this summer. I love Gasol, and would absolutely be willing to offer him every scrap of cap space we have. But I don't see him leaving Memphis, and on the 5% chance he does, I'm not sure the spurs would even be the front runners there. I honestly wanted Millsap over Splitter two summers ago, and while I've been incredibly happy with Splitter and both his contract and production in general, I'm even more in on Millsap now. I don't see how he doesn't fit almost perfectly with what this spurs team would look like going forward.

[Mr Bones]

It's going to be interesting to see what happens with Draymond Green. He's having a great year, and will be a restricted free agent next summer, but Golden State is already on the hook for nearly $79 million next season. If they can't unload David Lee, they would have to pay some pretty significant payroll taxes in order to keep Green. He might become the first sacrifice that Golden State has to make after signing Curry and Thompson to big contracts.

[Mr Bones]

The similaries between Millsap and Draymond Green are kind of uncanny. Here are their measuements:

Millsap
Height w/ shoes: 6'7.25"
Wingspan: 7'1.5"
Standing reach: 8'9.5"

Green
Height w/ shoes: 6'7.5"
Wingspan:7'1.25"
Standing reach: 8'9"

Stats this season:

Millsap
33.8 mpg, 16.5 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 47.4 FG%, 36.2 3ptFG%, 3 apg, 2.1 spg, 0.8 bpg

Green
32.5 mpg, 13.5 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 46.2 FG%, 36.8 3ptFG%, 2.9 apg, 1.2 spg, 1.1 bpg

The Warriors play at a faster pace than the Hawks, but they're also much deeper as a team with more scorers. It's rare to find two players with this many physical and statistical similarities. The major difference is weight, with Millsap at 258, and Green at 236, and age, with Millsap being 29 and Green being 24.

[Mr Bones]

If you're a stat junky, you can waste a lot of hours looking at www.basketball-reference.com. Here's a side by side comparison of four potential free agents and two current Spurs:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2015&p1=millspa01&y2=2015&p2=greendr01&y3=2015&p3=leonaka01&y4=2015&p4=oquinky01&y5=2015&p5=diawbo01&y6=2015&p6=afflaar01

[Mal]

I think Spurs should go after Bargnani. Before anybody say he sucks, I will say it. He sucks. But he`ll be cheap as fuck, with italian coach here I think he`d like to reload on his career in good team.

[adonis827]

I think Spurs should go after Bargnani. Before anybody say he sucks, I will say it. He sucks. But he`ll be cheap as fuck, with italian coach here I think he`d like to reload on his career in good team.

Well he can probably replace Daye. Or is he worse?

[Mal]

Well he can probably replace Daye. Or is he worse?

I dont know. I rather thought as backup center with potential 3pt shot, to replace Ayers, Bonner and Banger in any minute they are getting.

[Godbama]

Two words:
XAVIER. HENRY.

[exstatic]

Two words:
XAVIER. HENRY.

A ruptured Achilles is never good for a player who relies on athleticism.

[hoopdreams11]

What about Teltovxc

[DrunkTXLabrat]

I'd rather see Bertans than Bargs.

[Mr Bones]

Detroit beat Toronto in Toronto tonight-- a great win for a team that has enjoyed incredible success since waiving Josh Smith, and actually looks like they have a reasonable shot at making the playoffs in the weak East, even after starting the season 5-23. I'm watching two guys on that team who will be free agents: Greg Monroe--the obvious one-- and Jonas Jerebko, the sleeper. Jerebko didn't do much until the end of the game, where he had a key rebound, a key assist, and two important baskets. Here's a comparison of Jerebko, Boris Diaw, and Matt Bonner: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2015&p1=jerebjo01&y2=2015&p2=bonnema01&y3=2015&p3=diawbo01&p4=&p5=&p6=

Per 36 Minutes


* FG FGA FG% 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS

Jonas Jerebko 2014-15 4.9 10.3 .474 .393 3.3 6.3 .526 1.8 2.0 .900 2.4 5.0 7.4 2.3 1.3 0.5 1.3 4.0 13.2

Matt Bonner 2014-15 4.2 9.9 .427 .383 2.2 4.6 .478 1.3 1.6 .792 1.0 2.8 3.8 1.8 0.4 0.4 0.5 2.7 11.8

Boris Diaw 2014-15 4.9 10.4 .472 .329 3.9 7.4 .530 1.6 2.1 .741 1.4 4.9 6.3 4.6 0.7 0.4 2.4 2.8 12.4

Jerebko is shooting a better FG%, 3PT%, and FT% than both Bonner and Diaw, and has higher averages for steals and rebounds. He's not the passer that Diaw is, but is better than Bonner in that category. Jerebko's PER is 15.71 compared to 13.7 & 11.08 for Diaw & Bonner. He also has the highest on court/off court rating on the Pistons: http://www.82games.com/1415/1415DET.HTM

I don't think Jerebko has star potential, but he could be a relatively inexpensive free agency steal, and would be a quality 3rd/4th Big in next year's rotation.

[CGD]

I've always liked jaberko and wanted him last year. Hes gritty and smart

[pad300]

Yeah, Jerebko would be a decent pick up, but I suspect that we will try for the high end of the big man market first... Assuming we do go high end on an FA, we might need some cheap filler.
I think a decently big and decently athletic backup 2/3 would be a real asset. For cheap, I would suggest Landry Fields from TO. He was an up and comer when he got that Contract in TO (3yrs/$18 million). Then he needed elbow surgery and his shooting form got f'ed up, thus his FG% tanked. This made him an offensive liability, but he was still a useful player with Wp/48 > 0.1 (average player) :
http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/220-landry-fields
However, although he's playing limited minutes this year, it looks like he's finally managed to fix his shot - his fg% is a career high. He's going to be cheap because his time in TO was pretty bad. If his shot is back, he could be a real bargain (and we have the best shot doctor in the league!).

[Mr Bones]

I almost completely forgot about Landry Fields... I liked him his first two years with the Knicks.

[FireMicoHalili]

really feel like Hibbert somehow ends up in SA

[Mr Bones]

A lot of teams will be looking at Hassan Whiteside now... he has the reputation for being immature, but the raw numbers are pretty impressive, especially his block/foul ratio, rebounding, and DRtg...

[loveforthegame]

More in the link. I just posted Leonard's part.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2015/01/19/free-agency-reggie-jackson-greg-monroe-paul-millsap-goran-dragic-kawhi-leonard-jimmy-butler/21960499/


Right about the time it seemed as if NBA Finals MVP Kawhi Leonard might not be long for the San Antonio Spurs, the restricted-free-agent-to-be had this to say about his future down by the Riverwalk.

"I don't think I'm going anywhere," he told USA TODAY Sports in November after failing to reach an agreement on an extension with the Spurs. "I want to finish out with one team like a lot of great players have done, to stay with one organization their whole career and just be loyal to that. You never know. We'll see what happens next summer, but I'm pretty sure I'll be in a Spurs jersey for my whole life."

The "you never know" part remains true, of course, meaning Leonard could still decide he doesn't like the direction the Spurs are going and find a way out of town. There are multiple nightmare scenarios for San Antonio, among them the notion that he could sign the qualifying offer for next season (thereby becoming an unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2016) or perhaps land a Chandler Parsons-esque offer sheet elsewhere that could wreak havoc on the Spurs' long-term plans (the Houston Rockets let Parsons go in restricted free agency last summer when the Dallas Mavericks gave him a three year, $46 million deal with a player option in the third season).

San Antonio didn't give Leonard the maximum-salary deal he wanted before the Oct. 31 deadline because they wanted to keep maximum flexibility for 2015 free agency. Because Leonard's salary cap hold on that kind of extension could have served as an obstacle to landing other top-tier free agents to put around him (with Marc Gasol believed to be atop that list), they took the calculated risk of letting his situation remain unresolved.

Three months later, it's clear that Leonard has every right to ask for that max deal without an ounce of shame. Not only is he on a career-high pace in points (15.3 per game), rebounds (7.5), assists (2.5), and steals (two) in the 24 games in which he wasn't dealing with injuries, but the Spurs lost nine of 17 games without him this season when he was.

[Mr Bones]

^^ Nice article. :toast
I still wouldn't be surprised to see Kawhi giving the Spurs a little bit of a discount to allow them to pursue players to replace the Big 3.

[bluebellmaniac]

^^ Nice article. :toast
I still wouldn't be surprised to see Kawhi giving the Spurs a little bit of a discount to allow them to pursue players to replace the Big 3.

It doesn't say he is giving them a discount. He just held off on re-signing until the summer. By doing so the FO has more cap space in signing other players. They can use the cap hold for his salary instead of what he ends up signing for. This provides room. Kawhi will be signed after free agents are signed because of this.

[Mr Bones]

It doesn't say he is giving them a discount. He just held off on re-signing until the summer. By doing so the FO has more cap space in signing other players. They can use the cap hold for his salary instead of what he ends up signing for. This provides room. Kawhi will be signed after free agents are signed because of this.

I understand that. But I still wouldn't be surprised if he signed for less than max, following the examples of Timmy, Manu, and Parker. I think he'll be happy being the one the higher paid young players in the league without maxing out, knowing that maxing out limits putting the greatest level of help & talent around him.

[Mr Bones]

Another guy I'm keeping an eye on is Khris Middleton... he leads the Bucks in +/- and has improved each of his three years. The Bucks are pretty deep at the swing position, so who knows what they'll do. Middleton is a restricted FA this summer, and at 6'8" could platoon at both the SG and SF positions. His defense is improving and his 3 pt% has been great for two straight years now. Interesting under the radar guy.

http://www.82games.com/1415/1415MIL.HTM
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/2

[Mr Bones]

Middleton has actually logged minutes at 4 positions this year: SG, SF, PF, and C: http://www.82games.com/1415/14MIL9.HTM
And has had positive numbers at 3: SG, SF, and PF.

[Mr Bones]

Under the radar free agent watch in last night's Detroit vs Milwaukee game:

Khris Middleton: 28 min, 7-9 (2-3 3pt), 16 pts, 7 reb, 4 assists, 1 stl, +33

Jonas Jerebko: 14 min, 3-6, (1-1 3pt), 7 pts, 2 reb, 1 assist, +12 (one of only four players with positive # in losing effort)

[hoopdreams11]

A lot of teams will be looking at Hassan Whiteside now... he has the reputation for being immature, but the raw numbers are pretty impressive, especially his block/foul ratio, rebounding, and DRtg...

Whiteside will definitely give San Antonio what they are lacking Rim potection

[Mr Bones]

Middleton looked good tonight against the Spurs: 9-14 FGs, 3-5 3ptFG, 21 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 steals.

[jyra]

561893297942446080

[Mr Bones]

In recent interviews, Hassan Whiteside has repeatedly said the player he patterns himself after most is David Robinson... Would this give the Spurs an edge in free agency?

My favorite Free agent targets:

SG/SF: Khris Middleton. Has improved every month this season with increased minutes. Great DRtg numbers, great 3pt%, best +/- on his team. I think he's the best under-the-radar FA in the NBA right now. A three man swing rotation of Kawhi/Danny/Middleton might be the best defensively in the league.

Bigs:
Whiteside
Brandan Wright

Whiteside has a higher ceiling and will demand more money. Can he keep up his incredible run? He's the bigger risk. Wright has shown again and again that he's a reliable positive impact player as a 20 mpg back up.

Stretch 4:
Jonas Jerebko

Similar to Wright in the sense that he can be an effective 20 mpg player. Will probably be a bargain. Good 3pt shooter, plays with effort on defensive side. Improvement/replacement for Bonner/Aryes.

[Mel_13]

In recent interviews, Hassan Whiteside has repeatedly said the player he patterns himself after most is David Robinson... Would this give the Spurs an edge in free agency?

My favorite Free agent targets:

SG/SF: Khris Middleton. Has improved every month this season with increased minutes. Great DRtg numbers, great 3pt%, best +/- on his team. I think he's the best under-the-radar FA in the NBA right now. A three man swing rotation of Kawhi/Danny/Middleton might be the best defensively in the league.

Bigs:
Whiteside
Brandan Wright

Whiteside has a higher ceiling and will demand more money. Can he keep up his incredible run? He's the bigger risk. Wright has shown again and again that he's a reliable positive impact player as a 20 mpg back up.

Stretch 4:
Jonas Jerebko

Similar to Wright in the sense that he can be an effective 20 mpg player. Will probably be a bargain. Good 3pt shooter, plays with effort on defensive side. Improvement/replacement for Bonner/Aryes.

Whiteside is on a two year contract. Ira Winderman just did a piece about his contract for a Miami newspaper:

In locking up Whiteside to a two-year deal that includes a non-guaranteed 2015-16 season at the NBA minimum, the Heat put themselves in position where they will have no choice but to allow the emerging center to become an unrestricted free agent in July 2016. Under NBA rules, contracts shorter than three years in length, such as Whiteside's, cannot be extended. South Florida Sun-Sentinel

[Chinook]

Felt like being lazy.

[Chinook]

Whiteside is on a two year contract. Ira Winderman just did a piece about his contract for a Miami newspaper:

In locking up Whiteside to a two-year deal that includes a non-guaranteed 2015-16 season at the NBA minimum, the Heat put themselves in position where they will have no choice but to allow the emerging center to become an unrestricted free agent in July 2016. Under NBA rules, contracts shorter than three years in length, such as Whiteside's, cannot be extended. South Florida Sun-Sentinel

It was actually a good thing that they gave him the two-year deal. They at least get his EB rights now. Had he only had a one-year deal, he would have been extremely easy to lure away -- anything above the MLE would have been impossible to match.

[Mel_13]

It was actually a good thing that they gave him the two-year deal. They at least get his EB rights now. Had he only had a one-year deal, he would have been extremely easy to lure away -- anything above the MLE would have been impossible to match.

Clearly.

I included the quote from the article because Mr Bones and I have discussed whether or not Whiteside has a second year on his contract in another thread. The various salary websites were not in agreement, but the article would seem to settle the issue. Whiteside won't be a FA in 2015.

[Chinook]

Clearly.

I included the quote from the article because Mr Bones and I have discussed whether or not Whiteside has a second year on his contract in another thread. The various salary websites were not in agreement, but the article would seem to settle the issue. Whiteside won't be a FA in 2015.

I hear you. I was just talking about the article. Under no circumstances did the Heat make a poor decision locking Whiteside up to the extra year.

He wasn't a great fit for FA anyway. Nice addition, but not a great pairing with Tiago. Though it seems extremely likely that the Spurs end up with no cap space for yet another year.

[Mr Bones]

Whiteside is on a two year contract. Ira Winderman just did a piece about his contract for a Miami newspaper:

In locking up Whiteside to a two-year deal that includes a non-guaranteed 2015-16 season at the NBA minimum, the Heat put themselves in position where they will have no choice but to allow the emerging center to become an unrestricted free agent in July 2016. Under NBA rules, contracts shorter than three years in length, such as Whiteside's, cannot be extended. South Florida Sun-Sentinel

Thanks, I just saw this too... what a deal for them... Damn, Whiteside could play 35 mpg next year and potentially be one of the better centers in the league while making the minimum...crazy.

[Mr Bones]

Middleton with another very impressive game (though it was against the defense of the Lakers): 45 mins, 21 pts, 7 rebs, 7 assists, 3 steals, 0 turnovers.
Unfortunately, he's playing so well now that more and more media sources are taking notice. He's becoming the new Draymond Green, which means the prospect of a free agency bargain is getting more remote each day.

[Mel_13]

Ed Davis will not exercise his player option for 2015-16 and will be a free agent this summer.

http://www.dailynews.com/sports/20150205/lakers-ed-davis-seeking-long-term-security-with-purple-and-gold

[Chinook]

Ed Davis will not exercise his player option for 2015-16 and will be a free agent this summer.

http://www.dailynews.com/sports/20150205/lakers-ed-davis-seeking-long-term-security-with-purple-and-gold

It was pretty obvious. If he plays well, the Lakers will give him a decent deal like they did with Nick Young.

[Mr Bones]

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203114/stats/

Khris Middleton just keeps playing better & better... here are his #s for 6 games in February:

16.7 ppg, 7 rpg, 2.7 apg, 2.7 spg. And despite playing more mpg (34) than in previous months, both his turnover per game and fouls per game numbers are down.

He also has the best defensive rating of any SG in the league, and by a pretty good margin (it helps that he sometimes plays at the SF position): http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/2

It's kind of amazing that he's not a bigger story... but playing in Milwaukee is kind of like playing in San Antonio in terms of media coverage.

[jesterbobman]

Middleton is pretty high on my list - Fills the wing need that a Manu retirement would lead to, and can play 3 wing lineups type options and switch + have spacing.

He's is up to 6th in RPM. It will be interesting to see if the Bucks dumping Knight for MCW was because they only want to pay one of those guys, or the new owners are cheap enough to let him go as well.

[Chinook]

Middleton is pretty high on my list - Fills the wing need that a Manu retirement would lead to, and can play 3 wing lineups type options and switch + have spacing.

He's is up to 6th in RPM. It will be interesting to see if the Bucks dumping Knight for MCW was because they only want to pay one of those guys, or the new owners are cheap enough to let him go as well.

In my opinion, the Bucks money-balled Knight's upcoming contract in large part to make sure they keep Middleton. I don't think I've ever see an SL will this sort of length. Imagine if they would have drafted Gobert or Tavarres to play the five.

[Mr Bones]

In my opinion, the Bucks money-balled Knight's upcoming contract in large part to make sure they keep Middleton. I don't think I've ever see an SL will this sort of length. Imagine if they would have drafted Gobert or Tavarres to play the five.

Sadly, I have to agree. He was my favorite free agent target for the Spurs, but now it looks like the Bucks should have little trouble making a good offer to keep him. I think they were wise choosing a 2 way playing swing guy like Middleton over a PG like Knight too. Defensively, they're going to become even more elite with the long arms of Middleton, Giannis, & Michael Carter-Williams guarding opposing players...

[jesterbobman]

I think that's the Bucks thinking aswell. There was a NBAcouchside / talking practice / twelve point courier twitter convo on similar lines ( https://twitter.com/talkingpractice/status/569377154384801792 )

Any other ideas, other than Kyle O'Quinn?

[pad300]

I think that's the Bucks thinking aswell. There was a NBAcouchside / talking practice / twelve point courier twitter convo on similar lines ( https://twitter.com/talkingpractice/status/569377154384801792 )

Any other ideas, other than Kyle O'Quinn?

First FA option continues to be throw the money at Marc Gasol... Assuming he doesn't take it, it really depends who retires, and who we draft...

Regarding an option at 2 other than Middleton, well, my previous suggestion was Landry Fields for the vet min. He does the small stuff, has always been a good WP/48 player and may have fixed his shot... Worth a minimum contract.

My best guess at our needs
Assume we can resign all of Kawhi, Danny, Tim and Manu (the last 2 on cheaper contracts, I assume...), that leaves us with
bigs - Tiago, Tim, Boris
wings - Kawhi, Green, Manu, Anderson
PG - Parker, Mills,

9 of 15 roster spots. Need at least 2 bigs, 1 wing, and maybe a PG...

If Duncan retires, it's blow it up time. If Manu retires, we need another creative type, unless Anderson starts to really impress (a thought: Anderson at the 2/3 as creator a la Manu, and Mills at the 1 would allow Mills to keep functioning as a small SG).

We will have at least 1 draft pick. If Tim doesn't retire, I would strongly consider trying to trade a lottery protected 2016 pick to the Sixers for a pick in this draft (assuming there is someone we like at the spot available). For us, it's a stronger draft, and it could be higher than the pick we are trading... The Sixers are currently holding the Rockets pick, the Heat pick, their own pick, and potentially the lakers pick. Also they have Saric potentially coming over. It's too many rookies for them to absorb easily into a already very young team. They might be willing to let go of the heat pick if Hinkie doesn't see someone he really likes at that spot in the draft, in return for getting a future first as a asset. There are potentially valuable players in our draft range in this draft. Unless Frank Kaminsky has a surprisingly strong combine, he might fall to us as uber-atheletes get bigged up over bball players. Kris Dunn might be there. Delon Wright or Jerian Grant would be interesting as creatively capable 2's.

[CGD]

Still trying to wrap my mind around what the Sixers are doing. I get the asset thing, but at a certain point there going to have start flipping some interesting pieces. After this draft night they might find themselves with Okafor, Embiid, and Noel on the same roster. That's wild, but also unsustainable

[Seventyniner]

Still trying to wrap my mind around what the Sixers are doing. I get the asset thing, but at a certain point there going to have start flipping some interesting pieces. After this draft night they might find themselves with Okafor, Embiid, and Noel on the same roster. That's wild, but also unsustainable

I'm thinking that they're trying to get as many high draft picks as possible in a 3-4 year time frame, and use the rookie contracts to find out who's worth keeping around. It's a decent strategy: given enough tries they might stumble upon a Westbrook/Harden combo.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

the sixers are pathetic. i heard MJ turned down an unprotected 2nd for a 1st and the trademark to the bobcats.

[cd021]

I'm thinking that they're trying to get as many high draft picks as possible in a 3-4 year time frame, and use the rookie contracts to find out who's worth keeping around. It's a decent strategy: given enough tries they might stumble upon a Westbrook/Harden combo.

its year 3 and they really don't have a star to show for their tanking yet. Embiid could be very good but he's red shirting and it could take 2 years before we get an idea of how good he can be. Noel, from what i've heard, has the ceiling of an above average starter. Its one thing to tank and acquire and hoard picks but there is no end in site. It could be another 3 years before they are competitive (like Utah who is bad but average margin is -1)

[jesterbobman]

It's year 2 of the tanking under Hinkie, they tried and failed on Bynum the year before, and sucked, but not the tank job under Hinkie.

They have
Embiid
Noel
Saric(2016?)

As current early picks as a core.

They also have Grant, Covington, Hollis Thompson and Henry Sims as back rotation guys , and have added a bunch of picks in the tenure. (Own pick back from Orlando(Payton), Lakers pick(MCW), OKC pick (McGee) and Miami pick(Thad)), plus the hundreds of second round picks to gamble for depth.

It's possible they don't go anywhere. But They should have a ~ top 3 pick(Could fall, but Mudiay/Russell/Towns are in play), plus the ~12th to 16th (Miami, Kaminsky or someone), ~20th (OKC, get Anderson, Dunn, Trey Lyles or similar) and will have a future Lakers pick to add depth.

Also, they have a ton of cap space, as a result of their guys being on rookie deals.

It's possible that they stay hoarding, or guys fail. But the blueprint is pretty clear.

[bklynspursfan]

I'm not good with the whole #'s/salaries, but what could our team like if Gasol (hypothetically) agreed to join, & TD/Manu agree to come back for another year. Who would need to be possibly cut/traded from our current team to make #'s match? Green/Splitter?

[Slutter McGee]

Looks like there is going to be no cap smoothing after next season. Looking at an increase of maybe 20 million in one year. How does affect free agency this year? Are any spurs going to be wanting to do 1 year deals?

[CGD]

It's year 2 of the tanking under Hinkie, they tried and failed on Bynum the year before, and sucked, but not the tank job under Hinkie.

They have
Embiid
Noel
Saric(2016?)

As current early picks as a core.

They also have Grant, Covington, Hollis Thompson and Henry Sims as back rotation guys , and have added a bunch of picks in the tenure. (Own pick back from Orlando(Payton), Lakers pick(MCW), OKC pick (McGee) and Miami pick(Thad)), plus the hundreds of second round picks to gamble for depth.

It's possible they don't go anywhere. But They should have a ~ top 3 pick(Could fall, but Mudiay/Russell/Towns are in play), plus the ~12th to 16th (Miami, Kaminsky or someone), ~20th (OKC, get Anderson, Dunn, Trey Lyles or similar) and will have a future Lakers pick to add depth.

Also, they have a ton of cap space, as a result of their guys being on rookie deals.

It's possible that they stay hoarding, or guys fail. But the blueprint is pretty clear.

I get that they're hoarding assets. But at what point do you start building the team? If they get the number one/two pick, and are staring at Okafor or Towns do they really pick a 3rd talented (and redundant) big just to hoard assets?

They must have a really patient fan base.

[eDizzle20]

Looks like there is going to be no cap smoothing after next season. Looking at an increase of maybe 20 million in one year. How does affect free agency this year? Are any spurs going to be wanting to do 1 year deals?

What will Leonard do? He could opt just to take the qualifying offer like Greg Monroe did and become an unrestricted free agent in 2016.

[Richie]

What will Leonard do? He could opt just to take the qualifying offer like Greg Monroe did and become an unrestricted free agent in 2016.

No chance, thats a ridiculous risk for a player who hasn't had his big pay day yet. Imagine how much money Rose would have lost if he did that? Think about how much money Wes Matthews is going to lose because of his Achilles injury

[exstatic]

What will Leonard do? He could opt just to take the qualifying offer like Greg Monroe did and become an unrestricted free agent in 2016.

That almost never happens, and when it does, there's a bad relationship between the player and organization. I can only remember 3 players doing it: Rasho, Olowokandi, and Monroe.

[TXstbobcat]

That almost never happens, and when it does, there's a bad relationship between the player and organization. I can only remember 3 players doing it: Rasho, Olowokandi, and Monroe.

Let's hope that means he won't take the qualifying offer and the Spurs keep Leonard in San Antonio long term.

[Slutter McGee]

Let's hope that means he won't take the qualifying offer and the Spurs keep Leonard in San Antonio long term.

I don't expect Leonard to not take the qualifying offer, but it does bring in some interesting possibilities with Green.

Slutter McGee

[Godbama]

The market for Teletovic is tough to pin down. The blood clot adds a health variable, and Brooklyn could be in tax trouble should both Brook Lopez and Thaddeus Young opt into their contracts for next season. That could make Brooklyn reluctant to hand out the $4.2 million qualifying offer required to keep matching rights on Teletovic. Young and Teletovic also have somewhat overlapping skill sets, though Young is not on Teletovic’s level as a shooter and the Nets could play them together in funky, position-less lineups.Most execs expect Lopez to opt out and enter free agency after rampaging across the league over the last month. Random thing: Watch the Spurs on Teletovic.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-nba-groupon-games-which-players-are-the-next-free-agent-steals/
:wakeup

[Seventyniner]

^Makes me wonder if Lowe somehow knows something or just thinks the Spurs are the type of team that would target Teletovic. Probably the latter.

[CGD]

Just reading the article. Lowe is pretty plugged in, but I think it is maybe more speculation at this point.

I think he's seeing that Bonner is a free agent, and Teletovic could be a natural replacement for that stretch big position. Seems like a smart move to me. It's time for Matty to move to the front office anyway.

[exstatic]

30 YO. Blood clots. Never logged an average PER of 15.0 in 3 years. I'll pass on Teletovic.

[Mr Bones]

I still think Jerebko would be a good signing for a good price, and another guy that's interesting is Jared Dudley. Both would be bench guys but Jerebko would be a big upgrade over Bonner and Dudley would be a nice upgrade over Belinelli. Millsap and Middleton seem to be completely out of reach now, and I didn't ever think there was a real shot at Gasol or Aldridge. Both guys can hit the three, and neither would be defensive liabilities.

[pad300]

Jerebko yep. As I have said before, Landry for the vet min would be a good deal; he may have fixed his shot after that elbow injury, and even if not, Landry keeps being useful when on the court.
Assume we fail to add any major FAs (Gasol, Aldridge, ???), but can resign people.

PG - Parker, Mills, ?Cojo?
SG - Green, Ginobili, Landry
SF - Kawhi, Anderson
PF - Splitter, Diaw, Jerebko
C - Duncan, Baynes

+ a first rounder

looks OK to me. Jerebko can play some 3 in some match ups, and Landry can play 3 in others... Losing Bonner, Bellinelli and Ayres isn't all that big a deal, IMO.

I would still be looking to use either Cojo's expiring or Mills, and our picks in 2015 and 2016, to either move up or get a second first rounder in this draft.

[CGD]

It's going to be interesting to see Aldridge and Gasol go at it. One has to lose, both had disappointing ends to the season, and both of their teams just can't seems to get right health wise. I wonder which early first round loss would make the player think twice about doubling down with their current teams the most.

[AFBlue]

Initial salary cap projections sent out to NBA teams for the next two years...$67M for 2015 with a jump to $89M the following year. 2016 is gonna be bananas, but knowing that relative figure should also have a ripple effect on this summer's proceedings. Should be interesting...

[Cklbmk]

So that gives the Spurs 13mil to spend assuming they keep Green and Leonards rights, renounce everyone else

I don't see a max player being realistic. I'd be unwilling to part with Green. Splitter would be the only other potential option. Maybe for Gasol. But that leaves a lot of holes.

Or we can just keep corys rights, maybe try to S&T him for a 2nd or something

resign Baynes

And then try to pursue a mid tier FA.

Maybe a Luol Deng, Monta Ellis, Or bring over people from overseas

[Godbama]

When's Hibbert become an FA? Looks like the Pacers might not see him in their future and the sort of style they wanna go forward with, and I still believe the dude's salvageable
http://i.imgur.com/Xea6eR4.jpg.

[eDizzle20]

When's Hibbert become an FA? Looks like the Pacers might not see him in their future and the sort of style they wanna go forward with, and I still believe the dude's salvageable
http://i.imgur.com/Xea6eR4.jpg.

No 7'2" player should ever shoot under 50%. He takes way too many perimeter shots for how big he is. He'll be smart to exercise his player option after this season.

[CGD]

Haven't talked much about Brook Lopez, but there is a good chance he opts out this summer. He's in the Aldridge class in terms of great offense poor defense. Al Jefferson clone really.

He'd be my choice, since Marc isn't moving. Given his injury concerns he may command less than the max, but Spurs would still have to move patty to get slightly more space. His player option is 16m next year.

[Godbama]

Why don't we have an LA thread around here? Too scared of jinxing the rumors?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/with-blazers-reeling-after-game-1-loss--questions-abound-about-lamarcus-aldridge-s-future-192605282.html

[Chinook]

Why don't we have an LA thread around here?l (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/with-blazers-reeling-after-game-1-loss--questions-abound-about-lamarcus-aldridge-s-future-192605282.html)

Make one, and I'll approve it. I welcome new threads.

[apalisoc_9]

When's Hibbert become an FA? Looks like the Pacers might not see him in their future and the sort of style they wanna go forward with, and I still believe the dude's salvageable
http://i.imgur.com/Xea6eR4.jpg.

damn hibbert looks like he is at least 8 inches taller than timmy, Tiago and Ian.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

What kinda bargain price range has Rondo fallen into?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Don't even think about it :lol let the Lakers have this cancer.

[Godbama]

Don't even think about it :lol let the Lakers have this cancer.
Agreed agreed agreed. I'd try salvaging Hibbert before I ever touched my little finger on an inch of that Rondo mess. Even with the TP situation, who wants to add another even more crumbling aging injury-recovering PG.

[Mr Bones]

Can you imagine how many fans of the New Orleans Pelicans are dreaming of signing Kawhi in Free Agency, to pair with AD?? Those two together would be a ridiculous defensive force...

[Chinook]

Oh hell no to Rondo. You think Parker's bad? Rondo's worse. Much worse. Wouldn't take him for a draft pick.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

lol, what if Rondo signed at minimum?

[DrunkTXLabrat]

lol, what if Rondo signed at minimum?

how's "move over Andrey Blatche!" for a thread title?

[Chinook]

how's "move over Andrey Blatche!" for a thread title?

I always did like Blatche. Rondo is a terrible fit for the team and locker room. And he's just not a good player anymore.

[Baam]

lol, what if Rondo signed at minimum?

If he signs for the minimum it's gonna be on a team where he can start like... Indiana maybe?

[Chinook]

If he signs for the minimum it's gonna be on a team where he can start like... Indiana maybe?

Sup, Baam? I haven't seen around these parts much lately.

[Mel_13]

Rondo won't have to take the minimum, not that I'd want him on the Spurs at any price. Like others before him with major red flags, there will be at least one team willing to believe things will be different and will invest major money to sign him. Then, just as the teams that signed SJax, Amare, and Lance, they'll come to regret their decision long before the end of his contract.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Very true, Mel_13, it has Sacramento written all over it.

[Mel_13]

Very true, Mel_13, it has Sacramento written all over it.

I'm hoping that the Jim Buss Lakers pull the trigger, but the Kings are a likely candidate as well.

[Baam]

Sup, Baam? I haven't seen around these parts much lately.

Didn't follow the nba quite as much this year but still gonna watch the POs closely of course.

[Malik Hairston]

It's amazing how people are oblivious to how the league has changed, tbh..Rondo was always overrated, but what role can he play in today's league? He can't shoot, can't score, is afraid to get to the foul line and has a bad attitude..

He can probably be an effective backup PG, but any team that plans to start him is fooling themselves..

No thanks to Hibbert, btw, he's so awful..

[Malik Hairston]

I also wonder if the NBA's coverage will ever change when it pertains to "known" players..

In this league, if a player is "known" and recognizable, that's all that matters to them, regardless of decline..they're always years late in recognizing when a player is finished..every year, whether it's scrubs like Danny Granger and Caron Butler from last year, or Rondo this year, as long as your name is known, everybody will ignore your current ability:lol..

Even Ray Allen received a ton of coverage this year, a spot-up shooter that doesn't give you anything else and is a massive liability on the defensive end, at this point..

[100%duncan]

Smh "brook lopez" fuck. Better signnobody than this overrated overpaid scrub. Smdh at him being equal with LMA offensively

[CGD]

Smh "brook lopez" fuck. Better signnobody than this overrated overpaid scrub. Smdh at him being equal with LMA offensively

Have you been watching these playoffs? Lopez has been a 20/10 guy against Bud's top ranked Hawks. Aldridge on the other hand has looked soft and disinterest against the Grizz. The concerns with Lopez are his injuries and, like Aldridge, his shitty defense.

Im not saying he has better or even the same talent, but he's not that big a drop off either.

[pad300]

Ok, who's guaranteed to be here next season

PG - Parker, Mills,
SG - (Reggie Williams)
SF - Anderson
PF - Splitter, Diaw,
C -

Damn, that pretty empty, especially as Anderson and Williams are currently projects. Assume that we can resign Kawhi, Duncan, Green and Manu in that order of priority. We need the first 3 to keep contending, and it wouldn't be the same without the 4th...

PG - Parker, Mills,
SG - Green, Manu, Williams
SF - Kawhi, Anderson
PF - Splitter, Diaw,
C - Duncan

Of the others, let go - Ayres, Bonner, Keep if cheap - Belinelli, Baynes, Cojo. Unfortunately, two time champion roleplayers are rarely cheap; we can expect all of Baynes, Belinelli and Cojo to get serious offers on the open market... That leaves us needing 3 bigs, a pg and a wing. Furthermore, I can see us letting Williams walk for better potential. Make it 2 wings if we can find a good candidate...
We can fill one slot with a first rounder. With Bertrans's injury, overseas is looking mighty thin.

There is talk of a major free agent big man, Gasol/Love/Aldridge/Lopez/Millsap/Monroe, but I am unsure if any of them will come, and even if they do, we will still need a bunch of cheap roleplayers... So some suggestions
Free Agents
Cheap Bigs - Jonas Jerebko, Alexis Ajinca (He's gotten a lot better, and we might get him cheap from the french connection).
Medium Cost Bigs - Tyson Chandler, Omer Asik
Wings - Landry Fields. Omri Casspi (he hit 40% of his 3's this year)
PG's - ???

Trade Targets
Wings - Evan Turner

Who else have you got folks... we are going to need some cheap players.
Wings -

[100%duncan]

Have you been watching these playoffs? Lopez has been a 20/10 guy against Bud's top ranked Hawks. Aldridge on the other hand has looked soft and disinterest against the Grizz. The concerns with Lopez are his injuries and, like Aldridge, his shitty defense.

Im not saying he has better or even the same talent, but he's not that big a drop off either.

Have you not learned of guys statpadding in a mediocre team? They get those numbers because the team has nothing else.

Have you been watching Aldrige the whole year? No he doesnt have shitty defense, he's not good, but he's not "shitty" as Lopez and they are nowhere near the same level in offense.

[CGD]

Have you not learned of guys statpadding in a mediocre team? They get those numbers because the team has nothing else.

Have you been watching Aldrige the whole year? No he doesnt have shitty defense, he's not good, but he's not "shitty" as Lopez and they are nowhere near the same level in offense.

The concern with Lopez is injury not stat padding. He's been on a tear getting the nets to the playoffs and has kept a up the performance against buds #1st seeded Hawks. Dude has one of the most refined post games in the league.

I never said he was better than LA. He's not that big a drop off either. LA will command a max deal, which the Spurs will have a tough time getting to, as other have pointed out, without gutting the roster. Lopez could be had for less, and I just don't see that big a drop off offensively. We can disagree on LA's defensive prowess.

[lmbebo]

Possible back up pg? I know we got Patty and CoJo I think is unrestricted, but what about this guy? Marcelo Huertas

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/brazilian-point-guard-marcelo-huertas-planning-move-to-nba-204453713.html

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Middleton would be a good consolation prize if the Spurs don't land Draymond Green.

[Mr Bones]

Middleton would be a good consolation prize if the Spurs don't land Draymond Green.


I think it would take huge offers for Golden State or Milwaukee not to match. I view them both as nearly impossible to get now, unfortunately.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

I think it would take huge offers for Golden State or Milwaukee not to match. I view them both as nearly impossible to get now, unfortunately.

they probably are, and even still, i think they're more realistic options than Gasol and Aldridge. personally, i think they're the better options. their best days are still far ahead of them, and they might actually come here, if the spurs "show them the money."

I'll forget Draymond, because i bet the Warriors move the mountains to keep him. I think he gets max. But just imagine a roster with Leonard, Middleton, and Danny Green? The Spurs could start Kawhi as the point guard! They'd still be short a big man, and that'd be a real tragedy... with all the defensive boards to be feasted upon.

[CGD]

Nicola Vucevic? He's a RFA. Is it a forgone conclusion that the Magic will match max offers?

[Chinook]

Nicola Vucevic? He's a RFA. Is it a forgone conclusion that the Magic will match max offers?

They extended him last off-season.

[CGD]

They extended him last off-season.

Oops, looks like shams' data hasn't been updated.

[cjw]

I don't understand this talk around Kawhi taking a one year qualifying offer and then signing a max deal under the higher cap. Difference between QO ($4.0) and max next year assuming a $67.1 million cap is $12.8 million, which isn't chump change. Very different than a top 3 pick who has a much higher QO.

Yes, the max contract is higher by waiting a year by about $4 million to start with, but he would also be one year closer to free agency in 2020 and eligible to receive 30% of a much higher cap then under the CBA rules. I've assumed $89 million cap one year out and $108 million cap in 2020:





QO +

QO +

New 5




Re-sign

New team

year max











2015

4.0

4.0

16.8


2016

22.3

22.3

18.0


2017

23.9

23.3

19.4


2018

25.7

24.3

20.8


2019

27.6

25.4

22.4


2020

29.7

26.5

32.4











Total

133.3

125.8

129.8




Only reason to sign the QO would be if he were unhappy in San Antonio and wanted to move on. Otherwise, the money is pretty darn good either way.

[CGD]

^ it's all Bill Simmons (who I like) being a huge homer and hoping Boston can get him.

Greg Monroe has been the only player in recent memory to pass up the money, and bet on himself in this type of scenario. I'm not concerned.

[BackHome]

Is Jordan a free agent would rather have him anchor our defense then Lopez or Splitter.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Deandre would be exactly the kinda post force that the Spurs need.

[CGD]

Deandre would be exactly the kinda post force that the Spurs need.

If Duncan leaves the Spurs would need someone who can get they're own shot out of either the 4 or 5. I like Jordan, but he's not a fit for the Spurs. In contrast a Jordan Dirk pairing would be scary.

[CGD]

If/when Spurs strike out on a max big man, here are some interesting buy low potential at PF:

- Jonas Jaberko (UFA)
- Ed Davis (PO)
- Amir Johnson (UFA)
- Thad Young (PO; likely to bounce)
- Thomas Robinson (UFA)

[adonis827]

What about Amare? Is he a free agent and will he cost much?

[ace3g]

SG/SF:

DeMarre Carroll
Alan Anderson

Mike Dunleavy
SF/PF

Jonas Jerebko
Thaddeus Young

[lmbebo]

Amare ... if we're keeping team intact. Not for transition/rebuild.

[lmbebo]

SG/SF:

DeMarre Carroll


Alan Anderson



Mike Dunleavy


SF/PF

Jonas Jerebko


Thaddeus Young



Like those except Dunleavy. Think he's a bit old.

[Malik Hairston]

This class of Free Agents looks pretty shitty, tbh..

I'd be interested in: Mike Dunleavy, Aminu, Brandon Bass, Amir(although the mileage is getting to him, it seems), Blatche, Jerebko, Mbah a Moute, Kyle O'Quinn, maybe Jason Smith, maybe Lavoy Allen..

Pass on Amare, he looked extremely bad in the playoffs IMO, they constantly exposed his flaws..