General 2016 Free Agency Discussion

[loveforthegame]

I'll add Brandan Wright to Jerebko and O'Quinn as guys I'd like to see next year.

[AFBlue]

Amir Johnson seems like a sleeper pick. Athletic shot blocker and rebounder with a decent mid-range game.

[FireMicoHalili]

Jonas Jaberko

[Mr Bones]

I hope Cojo spends the entire off season improving his handles... I don't see too many options for free agent PGs that could help. This thread showed the similarities between Cojo & George Hill:http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247199&highlight=cojo+george+hill.
I hope the Spurs can lock him up and he can continue to improve... It's still surprising that he's only 23.


I think the best option at this point is developing Cojo and hoping both he and Mills can average over 20 mpg next season.

[CGD]

An interesting "will they, won't they pick up the team option" guys is Mo Harkless of the Magic. There were rumblings at the deadline that he might be moved so who knows.

[DAF86]

Luke Babbitt? Yay, nay, may?

[ace3g]

Orazio Cauchi ‏@paxer89 (https://twitter.com/paxer89) 8h8 hours ago (https://twitter.com/paxer89/status/596049654950813697) Billy King, #Nets (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nets?src=hash) GM, announced that the team willl extend a qualifying offer to Mirza Teletovic, making him a restricted free-agent. #NBA (https://twitter.com/hashtag/NBA?src=hash)

The #Celtics have decided to extend SF Jae Crowder a qualifying offer, making him a restricted free agent. #NBA

Nets Prioritizing Re-Signing Brook Lopez, Thaddeus Young In Offseason (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/237698/Nets-Prioritizing-Re-Signing-Brook-Lopez-Thaddeus-Young-In-Offseason)

Cavs Have 'Legitimate Fear' Of Kevin Love Leaving This Offseason (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/237703/Cavs-Have-Legitimate-Fear-Of-Kevin-Love-Leaving-This-Offseason)

Exec Predicts Khris Middleton To Get $15M Per Season (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/237706/Exec-Predicts-Khris-Middleton-To-Get-$15M-Per-Season)

[adonis827]

God damn Khris Middleton. Hopefully you are worth every cent to whoever gives you that

[adonis827]

Those bucks already gave a lot of dough to Larry Sanders and also Ersan to a sizeable contract

[DrunkTXLabrat]

I think Middleton is worth more than Gasol and Aldridge. Everybody wants to trade Wiggins for Love, but imagine if Wiggins for Love never happened.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

...also, Draymond Green.

[adonis827]

I think Middleton is worth more than Gasol and Aldridge.

you must be trolling. Middleton is not yet even an all star or all nba

[loveforthegame]

I like Middleton but that's crazy money for a breakout season. But that's the market for you.

[Juan]

Middleton is not worth that. No way.

[CGD]

I like Middleton but that's crazy money for a breakout season. But that's the market for you.

Damn wonder what that means for Danny

[loveforthegame]

Damn wonder what that means for Danny

In Middleton's favor he is 4 years younger than Danny and has more upside. But yeah, someone will offer Green around 10 million. Maybe up to 12 if they're desperate enough.

[heyheymymy]

is middleton a wing or a guard? Bucks were playing him at the 2, but with Parker and Giannis, how does that work? Sorry for the stupid question.

15 mil is crazy cash, but I think the figure is more a result of gambling on potential so when the cap raises the money looks better if all goes according to plan and he keeps developing.

[Mr Bones]

is middleton a wing or a guard? Bucks were playing him at the 2, but with Parker and Giannis, how does that work? Sorry for the stupid question.

15 mil is crazy cash, but I think the figure is more a result of gambling on potential so when the cap raises the money looks better if all goes according to plan and he keeps developing.

Middleton played the 2, 3, and 4 this year... he's 6'8" with a 6'10.75" wingspan. Kawhi is 6'7" with a 7'3" wingspan and Danny Green is 6'6.5" with a 6'10" wingspan...

http://www.82games.com/1415/14MIL11.HTM

[objective]

From what I can tell, BOBAN MARJANOVIC is a free agent with Cvrena Zvezda, the same team as Dangubic, and is rumored to have some NBA interest. To me, be would be an incredible signing, possibly as a backup plan to bigger name free agents.

I don't know what he would cost, probably mle at least I would guess. And he probably would be a limited minutes player, maybe 24 a game, but I love that guy.

He's a 7-3 monster with a great game around the basket, just wonderful. He's like an acromegaly Al Jefferson. He gets the ball and good things happen. And if he gets the chance, he doesn't jerk around, he dunks.

Bad news is his defense is like an acromegaly Al Jefferson. Probably can't cover the NBA pick and roll game, but he does try though. He's just a massive beast who takes up space and gives effort though. I don't think he would be that much of a liability though, especially if you look at him like a 24 minute guy, who would split minutes at center.

I'll put it this way: Enes Kanter might get 10 million a year or more this summer, and he's a historically awful defender who is pure garbage on the pick and roll and is usually a net negative player.

Marjanovic won't be that bad on defense (I think), won't cost nearly as much, maybe as little as half (I think), and should be a positive player, he was Cvrena Zvezda's most important player to me. He probably can't hit the offensive boards like Kanter, but that's okay.

And he's going to be 28, right in his prime.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)RealGM Sources: Dallas Mavericks guard Raymond Felton filing paperwork to exercise $3.9M option for 2015-16 season. tinyurl.com/l6j6ttw (http://t.co/zy0ULGNnGr)

[cjw]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)RealGM Sources: Dallas Mavericks guard Raymond Felton filing paperwork to exercise $3.9M option for 2015-16 season. tinyurl.com/l6j6ttw (http://t.co/zy0ULGNnGr)



Lol Mavs...

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Tristan Thompson would be a nice target. He's young, with TX and Toronto connections. He can block shots. He could be a credible force to defend Blake, with some Spursifying. There might be a nice sweet spot offer for him. Not so high that he's at the Gasol/Aldridge/Draymond level, saves money for Green while still upgrading big with a vet who isn't on the wrong side of his 20's. A high offer sheet could scare away the Cavs right to match.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Tristan Thompson would be a nice target. He's young, with TX and Toronto connections. He can block shots. He could be a credible force to defend Blake, with some Spursifying. There might be a nice sweet spot offer for him. Not so high that he's at the Gasol/Aldridge/Draymond level, saves money for Green while still upgrading big with a vet who isn't on the wrong side of his 20's. A high offer sheet could scare away the Cavs right to match.

At the very least, it drives up the cost of matching. financially pins the cavs, a little.

[Big P]

TThompson turned down a 4 year $52 mil deal from the Cavs last year, I have no idea why he declined that offer he's not worth max and I don't think he will get a better offer.

[AFBlue]

TThompson turned down a 4 year $52 mil deal from the Cavs last year, I have no idea why he declined that offer he's not worth max and I don't think he will get a better offer.

Given the projected cap will rise significantly next summer, I think you'll see teams with space this summer make some pretty ridiculous deals. Thompson honestlycould end up with a max offer that would force the Cavs' hand.

[lmbebo]

I think there is also some connection to him and lebron and lebron's agency. Would I like him? Yes, But I think he would be complicated in some respects.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Tristan is bizzaro Aldridge. The UT alum, big man, free agent. With the presumed expectation of helping ease into the post-Timmy era. I think that story has "Spurs find yet another buried treasure" written all over it.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

TThompson turned down a 4 year $52 mil deal from the Cavs last year, I have no idea why he declined that offer he's not worth max and I don't think he will get a better offer.

Because he has the same agent as Lebron and they have a wink wink agreement. He'll get more than 4 and 52 from the Cavs, book it. He's not worth it as well.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Because he has the same agent as Lebron and they have a wink wink agreement. He'll get more than 4 and 52 from the Cavs, book it. He's not worth it as well.

https://youtu.be/43SrYmqE9K8 old video

https://youtu.be/DHjRO5IJ0js older video

he and Cojo are all grown up and about to get paid. risky, but i wouldn't say not with it.

[cjw]

Thompson is the Cavs' third most important player with Love sidelined. Since Love went down, he's essentially putting up DeAndre Jordan stats. Though it doesn't hurt when your sole role on the offensive end is to attack the glass.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

the cavs and Kevin Love are what the Spurs are looking at with the Aldridge/Gasol bs. Keeping Wiggins, Bennett, and Zeller while sooner dumping the headache of Waiters very much relates to the moves the spurs aren't making and look to be making instead.

Bring over and draft players that actually get a roster spot. It is insane to draft a player that you don't want to play, the drafted player is the one player you can believe in. Even core guys get old and injured, drafted players are 100% promise. Even if they suck, you have to keep faith for at least a season.

Also, use the cap space to make Duncan, Manu, Green, and Kawhi happy. That's the free agency. Make qualifying offers to Joseph and Baynes and maybe match light offers. learn the dang lesson that should have been learned from Neal and Blair. role players that are leaving anyway can be given away to the team that wants them. role players that aren't going anywhere can be given an extention. chemistry does not take that big of a shot by the loss of Bonner, Ayers, Beli types. and small extentions don't cost any cap space that wasn't going to be gone anyway. if the spurs really want to stash away players, they can do it by with extra 2nd round picks from jettisoning role players that are going to or should be gone anyway. whatever cap space is there should be thrown at Tristan Thompson types. if you overpay and get them, they're young and promising like a rookie. if you don't get them, they're overpaid by their own teams.

it is insane to me that popsuckers and educated folks can't make sense of roster management better than a drunk guy with a copy of nba2k. humans with common sense are an endanger species. Glen Rice Jr career should take a massive dump on Reggie Williams. Ya know why the kid has off court issues, because the powers that be are about as useful as a loyalist. Free your minds! Tristan Thompson and Draymond Green playoff wreckage is as predictable as Aldridge and M. Gasol playoff ineptitude. Where do you really want your post-Duncan era hopes?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

the cavs and Kevin Love are what the Spurs are looking at with the Aldridge/Gasol bs. Keeping Wiggins, Bennett, and Zeller while sooner dumping the headache of Waiters very much relates to the moves the spurs aren't making and look to be making instead.

Bring over and draft players that actually get a roster spot. It is insane to draft a player that you don't want to play, the drafted player is the one player you can believe in. Even core guys get old and injured, drafted players are 100% promise. Even if they suck, you have to keep faith for at least a season.

Also, use the cap space to make Duncan, Manu, Green, and Kawhi happy. That's the free agency. Make qualifying offers to Joseph and Baynes and maybe match light offers. learn the dang lesson that should have been learned from Neal and Blair. role players that are leaving anyway can be given away to the team that wants them. role players that aren't going anywhere can be given an extention. chemistry does not take that big of a shot by the loss of Bonner, Ayers, Beli types. and small extentions don't cost any cap space that wasn't going to be gone anyway. if the spurs really want to stash away players, they can do it by with extra 2nd round picks from jettisoning role players that are going to or should be gone anyway. whatever cap space is there should be thrown at Tristan Thompson types. if you overpay and get them, they're young and promising like a rookie. if you don't get them, they're overpaid by their own teams.

it is insane to me that popsuckers and educated folks can't make sense of roster management better than a drunk guy with a copy of nba2k. humans with common sense are an endanger species. Glen Rice Jr career should take a massive dump on Reggie Williams. Ya know why the kid has off court issues, because the powers that be are about as useful as a loyalist. Free your minds! Tristan Thompson and Draymond Green playoff wreckage is as predictable as Aldridge and M. Gasol playoff ineptitude. Where do you really want your post-Duncan era hopes?

No, you can't.

[FireMicoHalili]

seems like the average price everyone here wants to pay an FA turns out around $2M or $3M less than the players actually get paid. Last year or the year before that, I think, everyone thought $5M would be a fair price for Manu after his god-awful finals performance, turned out getting $7M~. People wanted to give Tiago only $8M, got paid $10~. Diaw would have been great value with the MLE but still got $7M. I personally don't think Manu goes lower than $5M while it would be a travesty for Duncan to receive less than $10M, though I wouldn't be surprised if he took less, given his age. Spurs are bound to overpay someone and it's okay, and my personal theory is that they don't go after any major names BUT they throw a lucrative two-year contract (with a team/player option) at someone who can at least help keep the window open in the Duncan era; then they overpay in the summer of 2016.

[FireMicoHalili]

also all these rumors about being interested in this or that...no solid sources whatsoever

[DrunkTXLabrat]

No, you can't.

wrong

[ace3g]

Ideal Potential Free Agent for San Antonio Spurs at Every Position
Point Guard: Cory Joseph
Shooting Guard: Danny Green
Small Forward: Al-Farouq Aminu
Power Forward: LaMarcus Aldridge
Center: Tyson Chandler
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2476978-ideal-potential-free-agent-for-san-antonio-spurs-at-every-position/page/1

[CGD]

Ideal Potential Free Agent for San Antonio Spurs at Every Position
Point Guard: Cory Joseph
Shooting Guard: Danny Green
Small Forward: Al-Farouq Aminu
Power Forward: LaMarcus Aldridge
Center: Tyson Chandler
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2476978-ideal-potential-free-agent-for-san-antonio-spurs-at-every-position/page/1

ThAnks for posting. If Spurs have to move Tiago to get Aldridge, I would love Chandler for the full MLE. Aminu would be nice as a back up PG but I think the spot will be addressed in the draft (I.e., my guy Anderson from UVA).

[Duncan2177]

ThAnks for posting. If Spurs have to move Tiago to get Aldridge, I would love Chandler for the full MLE. Aminu would be nice as a back up PG but I think the spot will be addressed in the draft (I.e., my guy Anderson from UVA).

I don't know it seems like the spurs don't have any luck with players named Anderson.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)RealGM Sources: Memphis Grizzlies exploring center Greg Oden, the 2007 No. 1 overall NBA pick. tinyurl.com/od72nl4 (http://t.co/MmRs4uRwVF)

[Big P]

I would like the Spurs to take a look at Omri Casspi again, I know there was some interest in the past, and I think he would be a capable backup SF/PF. He's a UFA this summer and made about $1 mil. last year with Sacramento. If we had a lower exemption or a trade exemption, I think he would be a great pickup.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)Detroit's Cartier Martin has exercised his $1.3M option for 2015-16 season, league source tells RealGM. Filed notice to Pistons last week.

[ace3g]

Hoops Rumors ‏@HoopsRumors (https://twitter.com/HoopsRumors) #Mavs (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Mavs?src=hash) to look at moving Raymond Felton to clear room for Al-Farouq Aminu, per @espn_macmahon (https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon): http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2015/06/shop-raymond-felton.html … (http://t.co/Mg7kokBquU)

Hoops Rumors ‏@HoopsRumors (https://twitter.com/HoopsRumors)
Many variables still exist as player option decisions come due. Here's what we know about each http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2015/06/player-option-decisions.html … (http://t.co/MDDBYuFIEx)

[Andthentherewas21]

Not sure anyone else's thoughts but I wouldn't mind going after Amir Johnson if he could be had for 8-10 mil per season. Think after two straight first round playoff exits they are going to start looking to retool, so Johnson could probably be had, the only question would be for how much (unless they are planning on letting go of Patrick Patterson or Chuck Hayes).

Assuming he doesn't work out, I think Kyle O'Quinn could probably be had for the mid-level or less. I just don't see a ton of teams going after him this off-season but I could be wrong.

[CGD]

Hypo, assume all the following happen:

1. Manu retires
2. Spurs strike out on LMA, Gasol, and Lopez
3. MIA and Wade can't agree on the right year/$$ ratio that would make Wade whole, so he follows though on threat to opts out.

Do you make a run at Wade?

[Andthentherewas21]

Hypo, assume all the following happen:

1. Manu retires
2. Spurs strike out on LMA, Gasol, and Lopez
3. MIA and Wade can't agree on the right year/$$ ratio that would make Wade whole, so he follows though on threat to opts out.

Do you make a run at Wade?

No for a number of reasons:

1. Still likely to command 10+ mil which would be overpaying for what he is likely to produce
2. He can't stay healthy for a full-season, his body just doesn't seem to be able to hold up at this point in his career
3. Doesn't really make sense for either unit. Wouldn't get touches on the starting unit, and he's not the facilitator Manu was which the 2nd unit will desperately need with Manu gone. Also not sure he would agree to come off the bench.

[Seventyniner]

No for a number of reasons:

1. Still likely to command 10+ mil which would be overpaying for what he is likely to produce
2. He can't stay healthy for a full-season, his body just doesn't seem to be able to hold up at this point in his career
3. Doesn't really make sense for either unit. Wouldn't get touches on the starting unit, and he's not the facilitator Manu was which the 2nd unit will desperately need with Manu gone. Also not sure he would agree to come off the bench.

Yup. Wade couldn't start because it would murder the spacing of the starting lineup. He has too much ego to see himself as Danny Green's backup either.

[CGD]

Agree that the whole coming off the bench thing would be a hard pitch, but not sure what other contender could offer him a starting role. Maybe Memphis? The reality is a solid 6th man is probably who he is right now, and probably the best he'll get from a contender in the open market.

The Miami cap situation is very interesting. It's going to look terrible for that organization of they dick over Wade after he took less money in his prime. That said, he's not worth what he wants unless they spread it out over several years.

Aside from his injury woes, the biggest thing that's going to cost Wade money is his unwillingness over the years to develop a three point shot.

[ace3g]

Sportando @sportando
(https://twitter.com/sportando)Rockets to pick up the $4.8M option on Kostas Papanikolaou's contract sportando.com/en/usa/nba/163 (http://t.co/teMpaLSw8R)

[jyra]

http://hoopshype.com/rumor/994164/


Former Trail Blazers forward Victor Claver will work out for the San Antonio Spurs for a couple of days, (http://www.gigantes.com/los-spurs-probaran-a-victor-claver/) according to Gigantes del Basket.


Underwhelming numbers in Europe last season, 40% on FGs and 33% on threes. I doubt that he makes it back to the NBA.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Claver sounds interesting, so does Wade. I'm still gung ho on Draymond Green, Tristan Thompson, or Kris Middleton.

[ace3g]

Grizzlies guard Nick Calathes (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/calatni01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-hoops.traderumors.com) has insisted (http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2015/05/southwest-calathes-draft.html) that he prefers to remain in the NBA, but rumors continue to signal that his camp is soliciting his services overseas, as David Pick of Eurobasket.com hears that he’s seeking a $3.5MM annual salary from international clubs (Twitter link (https://twitter.com/IAmDPick/status/609399713201176576)). Calathes can become a restricted free agent this summer if Memphis tenders him a qualifying offer worth $1,147,276.

[ace3g]

Rob Dauster ‏@RobDauster (https://twitter.com/RobDauster) 2h2 hours ago (https://twitter.com/RobDauster/status/609828383942381568) The Spurs watched Renardo Sidney workout today in LA, per a source.

Adam Johnson ‏@AdamJNBA (https://twitter.com/AdamJNBA) 2h2 hours ago (https://twitter.com/AdamJNBA/status/609824635102703616) Renardo Sidney worked out for a San Antonio Spurs scout today, source tells D-League Digest.

[loveforthegame]

Rob Dauster ‏@RobDauster (https://twitter.com/RobDauster) 2h2 hours ago (https://twitter.com/RobDauster/status/609828383942381568) The Spurs watched Renardo Sidney workout today in LA, per a source.

Adam Johnson ‏@AdamJNBA (https://twitter.com/AdamJNBA) 2h2 hours ago (https://twitter.com/AdamJNBA/status/609824635102703616) Renardo Sidney worked out for a San Antonio Spurs scout today, source tells D-League Digest.

I guess the Spurs really are looking under every rock this summer.

I just read this story on him and he doesn't sound Spurs material. Unless he's really gotten over himself for real this time.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/28/personal-tragedy-provides-renardo-sidney-with-renewed-purpose-as-he-seeks-redemption/

Anyone know his weight now??

[ace3g]

Yeah kind of has a ZBO look to him.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)It's official: With Monday deadline looming, Hornets' Al Jefferson is bypassing free agency for a year. ESPN link: espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id… (http://t.co/GkC2aWS2c0)

[DPG21920]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)It's official: With Monday deadline looming, Hornets' Al Jefferson is bypassing free agency for a year. ESPN link: espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id… (http://t.co/GkC2aWS2c0)



That sucks. Was hoping he would be added to the FA big man pool.

[ace3g]

Marcus Denmon @MizzouMonster12
(https://twitter.com/MizzouMonster12)LA https://ton.twimg.com/tweetdeck-web/web/assets/emoji/light/2708.efcb52f46b.pnghttps://ton.twimg.com/tweetdeck-web/web/assets/emoji/light/2708.efcb52f46b.pnghttps://ton.twimg.com/tweetdeck-web/web/assets/emoji/light/2708.efcb52f46b.png San Antonio in the am

Looks like he might me flying into SA for summer league again.

[Nathan89]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odGOCZpX1MY

G. Henderson is the main person I want. Not sure what his expect contract is. He has a nice balance of skills and would be a nice athleticism boost for the team. Has the ability to create which is needed.

I'd also like to go after Mike Dunleavy.

[Chinook]

Nah. Henderson is average to below average at everything other than athleticism. He's opting out of $6 Million if he hits free agency. No way does he make economic sense for the Spurs as either a sixth man or a Green replacement.

[DPG21920]

Nah. Henderson is average to below average at everything other than athleticism. He's opting out of $6 Million if he hits free agency. No way does he make economic sense for the Spurs as either a sixth man or a Green replacement.

Henderson is a more athletic worse shooting Neal. No real need for him at his price. Curious - why were you saying it's impossible for Tim to stay & get a max FA?

[Chinook]

Henderson is a more athletic worse shooting Neal. No real need for him at his price. Curious - why were you saying it's impossible for Tim to stay & get a max FA?

It's just that too many guys would have to go for the Spurs to create the cap space to re-sign Tim while also keeping a max slot open. No Tim, and we're still talking losing Mills here. With Tim, and even Mills and Splitter may not be enough.

[ace3g]

Sources: Jimmy Butler plans to pursue shorter-term offer sheets
By Adrian Wojnarowski (http://sports.yahoo.com/author/adrian-wojnarowski/) 1 hour ago Yahoo Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/)

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--bulls-restricted-free-agent-jimmy-butler-plans-to-pursue-shorter-term-offer-sheets-212134060.html

[TheGoldStandard]

Chicago will be rebuilding soon. Rose is past his effectiveness as he was an explosive PG, Butler wants to be the 1st banana.. Noah is injury prone and breaking down, Taj will always get shafted..

[ace3g]

Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes
(https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes)#Cavs (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Cavs) F Tristan Thompson will not play for Canadian National Team this summer, a league source tells @clevelanddotcom (https://twitter.com/clevelanddotcom/).

[TheGoldStandard]

Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes
(https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes)#Cavs (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Cavs) F Tristan Thompson will not play for Canadian National Team this summer, a league source tells @clevelanddotcom (https://twitter.com/clevelanddotcom/).



He's focused on getting paid

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)In addition to Gerald Henderson staying in Charlotte, @EricPincus (https://twitter.com/EricPincus/) reports Danny Granger has opted in with Suns to stay in PHX next season

[ace3g]

Wiz of Awes ‏@WizOfAwes (https://twitter.com/WizOfAwes) Jun 16 (https://twitter.com/WizOfAwes/status/610891586596003840) Report: Garrett Temple has opted in w/ the Washington #Wizards (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Wizards?src=hash). Welcome back, @GTemp14 (https://twitter.com/GTemp14)!: http://wizofawes.com/2015/06/16/nba-free-agency-2015-garrett-temple-opts-in-with-washington-wizards/ … (http://t.co/gPkVzbRwkA)

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/3611020926/1c288811c3bc4799af324e09268547f9_bigger.jpeg Eric PincusVerified account ‏@EricPincus (https://twitter.com/EricPincus)

Eric Gordon has opted in for the next season with the New Orleans Pelicans @BBallInsiders (https://twitter.com/BBallInsiders)

[TheGoldStandard]

Of course he did, he's getting way too much money

[exstatic]

Gordon would be lucky to earn half what he does now on his next contract. His opting in was a given two years ago. He's been below the average PER of 15 the last two seasons.

[CGD]

If Brook Lopez opts out with the nets, is he a max player in this current environment?

[TheGoldStandard]

If Brook Lopez opts out with the nets, is he a max player in this current environment?

Someone will pay him gobs of money.

[Chinook]

Spurs' main priority should be keeping their top players. There's no reason for the team to blow it up. After that, they should look to use their cap space to bring in the best addition possible. It's possible that instead of signing someone, they instead use the space to take back a bad contract and a pick.

[Duncan2177]

Spurs' main priority should be keeping their top players. There's no reason for the team to blow it up. After that, they should look to use their cap space to bring in the best addition possible. It's possible that instead of signing someone, they instead use the space to take back a bad contract and a pick.

Hopefully they trade the big vagina but probably not.

[DPG21920]

Spurs' main priority should be keeping their top players. There's no reason for the team to blow it up. After that, they should look to use their cap space to bring in the best addition possible. It's possible that instead of signing someone, they instead use the space to take back a bad contract and a pick.

Who do you think would fit that mold? IMO, I think the Spurs really need to think long and hard about getting into the lottery via trade if they can. Both to free up money for FA and to secure young/athletic talent for the future.

[ace3g]

Alex Kennedy @AlexKennedyNBA
(https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA)After a successful stint overseas, Sonny Weems has left CSKA and will weigh NBA opportunities as an unrestricted free agent.

[ace3g]

Sources: Forward Jeff Green exercises option to remain with Grizzlies
By Adrian Wojnarowski (http://sports.yahoo.com/author/adrian-wojnarowski/) 5 hours ago Yahoo Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/)

Memphis Grizzlies (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/mem/) forward Jeff Green has exercised the $9.2 million player option on his contract for the 2015-16 season, passing on free agency this summer, league sources told Yahoo Sports

Gasol is expected to stay with the Grizzlies, but no final decision has been made, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--forward-jeff-green-exercises-option-to-remain-with-grizzlies-172015333.html

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

611972197779902464

Apparently, a buyout will not be an issue with him.

[TheGoldStandard]

611972197779902464

Apparently, a buyout will not be an issue with him.

If only but unfortunately he will end up in LA or New York

[DrunkTXLabrat]

http://www.thebirdwrites.com/2015/6/16/8787449/2015-nba-free-agency-bismack-biyombo-low-cost-replacement-omer-asik-new-orleans-pelicans

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Years experience in the NBA seems to be valuable to guys like exstatic and chump. I like that he's still under 25 and can block shots. I've never understood why he rides so much pine. Could be stolen away with the right offer sheet.

[ace3g]

RealGM @RealGM
(https://twitter.com/RealGM)Steve Blake Exercises 15-16 Player Option With Blazers: basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/238267… (http://t.co/HgvdiI14bO) pic.twitter.com/WF5SPPkG3R (http://t.co/WF5SPPkG3R)

[ace3g]

Hardwood Paroxysm @HPbasketball
(https://twitter.com/HPbasketball)Report: Bucks in position to reach "quick agreement" to re-sign Khris Middleton cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas… (http://t.co/J65toHg2Tm) pic.twitter.com/bQ4ReT2sVs (http://t.co/bQ4ReT2sVs)

Jabari Young @JabariJYoung
(https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung)Up next: Arron Afflalo has until June 22 to decide if he'll pick up his $7.3M player option...and then #Blazers (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Blazers) will have to decide on Kaman

[ace3g]

Bleacher Report NBA @BR_NBA
(https://twitter.com/BR_NBA)Miami Heat reportedly set to offer Goran Dragic a 5-year deal worth more than $80 million ble.ac/1dXKzn3 (http://t.co/hVcppU3xd1) pic.twitter.com/K6K4UZ60e4 (http://t.co/K6K4UZ60e4)

[ace3g]

SI NBA @si_nba
(https://twitter.com/si_nba)Video: @ChrisMannixSI (https://twitter.com/ChrisMannixSI/) on why the Spurs will be the off-season team to watch (via @SInowLIVE (https://twitter.com/SInowLIVE/)) on.si.com/1BrGWAq (http://t.co/oW9DHey8BM) pic.twitter.com/giHUy2di3T (http://t.co/giHUy2di3T)

[ace3g]

David Aldridge @daldridgetnt
(https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt)Per sources, G Arron Afflalo expected to opt out of '15-'16 ($7.75M) to become UFA. Obv key for Portland 2 re-sign w/Wes Matthews rehabbing.

[ace3g]

Tim Bontemps ‏@TimBontemps (https://twitter.com/TimBontemps) 9h9 hours ago (https://twitter.com/TimBontemps/status/613005442189500416) Billy King says Thaddeus Young has opted out - first reported by @ChrisBHaynes (https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes) - & that Nets have given qualifying offer to Mirza Teletovic.

[ace3g]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
(https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo)In midst of DeMarcus saga, Kings showing strong interest in free agent C JaVale McGee, a source said. McGee played for George Karl in Denver

[adonis827]

Seems a wrong move for Affalo. He can prove his worth this year and cash out next year.

[ace3g]

NBA Options, Qualifying Offers Due Before July


Atlanta Hawks: Pero Antic (QO)
Boston Celtics: Jae Crowder (QO), Luigi Datome (QO)
Brooklyn Nets: Brook Lopez (PO), Alan Anderson (PO), Jerome Jordan (QO), Thaddeus Young (Early Termination Option – opted out), Mirza Teletovic (QO – given)
Charlotte Hornets: Bismack Biyombo (QO), Jeffrey Taylor (QO), Al Jefferson (PO – opted in)
Chicago Bulls: Jimmy Butler (QO), Kirk Hinrich (PO)
Cleveland Cavaliers: LeBron James (PO), Kevin Love (PO), J.R. Smith (PO), Mike Miller (PO), Tristan Thompson (QO), Iman Shumpert (QO), Matthew Dellavedova (QO), Timofey Mozgov (TO – opted in)
Dallas Mavericks: Monta Ellis (PO), Al-Farouq Aminu (PO), Bernard James (QO), Raymond Felton (PO – opted in)
Denver Nuggets: Ian Clark (QO), Will Barton (QO – given), Jameer Nelson (PO – opted out)
Detroit Pistons: Reggie Jackson QO), Cartier Martin (PO)
Golden State Warriors: Draymond Green (QO), Marreese Speights (TO), Brandon Rush (PO), Ognjen Kuzmic (QO), Justin Holiday (QO)
Houston Rockets: Patrick Beverley (QO), Kostas Papanikolaou (TO), K.J. McDaniels (QO)
Indiana Pacers: Roy Hibbert (PO), David West (PO), Chris Copeland (QO), Shayne Whittington (QO)
Los Angeles Clippers: None
Los Angeles Lakers: Jordan Hill (TO), Ed Davis (PO), Vander Blue (QO)
Memphis Grizzlies: Nick Calathes (QO), Jeff Green (PO – opted in)
Miami HEAT: Dwyane Wade (PO), Luol Deng (PO), Michael Beasley (TO), Goran Dragic (PO – opted out)
Milwaukee Bucks: Jared Dudley (Early Termination Option, a player decision also required by end of June), Khris Middleton (QO)
Minnesota Timberwolves: Robbie Hummel (QO), Justin Hamilton (QO), Arinze Onuaku (QO), Chase Budinger (PO – opted in)
New Orleans Pelicans: Norris Cole (QO), Jeff Withey (QO), Eric Gordon (PO – opted in)
New York Knicks: Alexey Shved (QO), Quincy Acy (QO), Travis Wear (QO)
Oklahoma City Thunder: Enes Kanter (QO), Kyle Singler (QO)
Orlando Magic: Tobias Harris (QO), Kyle O'Quinn (QO)
Philadelphia 76ers: Henry Sims (QO), Glenn Robinson III (QO)
Phoenix Suns: Brandon Knight (QO), Danny Granger (PO – opted in)
Portland Trail Blazers: Joel Freeland (QO), Steve Blake (PO – opted in), Arron Afflalo (PO – opted out)
Sacramento Kings: Derrick Williams (QO)
San Antonio Spurs: Kawhi Leonard (QO), Cory Joseph (QO), Aron Baynes (QO)
Toronto Raptors: None
Utah Jazz: Joe Ingles (QO)
Washington Wizards: Paul Pierce (PO), Garrett Temple (PO – opted in)

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-options-qualifying-offers-due-before-july/

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

613722699928612864

All in for Aldridge.

[Chinook]

David West just opted out. Would be a decent player to get if it could be done without letting go of anyone important.

[raybies]

613809391607922689

:lol

[ace3g]

Eric Pincus @EricPincus
(https://twitter.com/EricPincus)Ed Davis has opted out of his contract with the Lakers


Eric Pincus @EricPincus
(https://twitter.com/EricPincus)Brandon Rush opted into the final year of his contract with the Golden State Warriors @BBallInsiders (https://twitter.com/BBallInsiders/)

[CGD]

613722699928612864


All in for Aldridge.

Or DJ

[CGD]

Thad Young anyone?

[TheGoldStandard]

613809391607922689

:lol

Sounds like a defensive comedy lol

[Richie]

David West just opted out. Would be a decent player to get if it could be done without letting go of anyone important.

Agreed. If we keep everyone and have around $9m in space I'd be happy with West.

[pad300]

Agreed. If we keep everyone and have around $9m in space I'd be happy with West.

I would not be happy with West. He's OLD - 35 next season. I'd much rather get Amir Johnson for that money.

[Andthentherewas21]

Assuming the Spurs had a choice of the two, my preference would be Amir Johnson. Right now its hard to gauge what the Raps are going to do. 2 Straight disappointing exits from the POs means they are probably going to change up something, just not sure if letting go of Amir is among them. Not that West would be a bad secondary option, but for that much money and the possibility of a precipitous decline within the next two years, its definitely more of a risk.

[ace3g]

Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes
(https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes)J.R. Smith has declined player option to test free agency, GM David Griffin says.

[FireMicoHalili]

I hope the Spurs get something out of this year's offseason bec it's tough to look back and see them getting offseason scraps while giving up the likes of Looney, Harrell, and Gudaitis. Especially if these guys turn into something special.

[Richie]

Assuming the Spurs had a choice of the two, my preference would be Amir Johnson. Right now its hard to gauge what the Raps are going to do. 2 Straight disappointing exits from the POs means they are probably going to change up something, just not sure if letting go of Amir is among them. Not that West would be a bad secondary option, but for that much money and the possibility of a precipitous decline within the next two years, its definitely more of a risk.

If we could get West for $20m/2yr with a 50% guarantee on the 2nd year it would be a decent deal. I think he'd fit nicely alongside Timmy and Tiago. He's been the best jump shooting big man outside of 16ft for 2 years in a row too, hitting over 50% in consecutive seasons on 4+ attempts/game

[TheGoldStandard]

If we could get West for $20m/2yr with a 50% guarantee on the 2nd year it would be a decent deal. I think he'd fit nicely alongside Timmy and Tiago. He's been the best jump shooting big man outside of 16ft for 2 years in a row too, hitting over 50% in consecutive seasons on 4+ attempts/game

God No

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If we could get West for $20m/2yr with a 50% guarantee on the 2nd year it would be a decent deal. I think he'd fit nicely alongside Timmy and Tiago. He's been the best jump shooting big man outside of 16ft for 2 years in a row too, hitting over 50% in consecutive seasons on 4+ attempts/game

Why the hell would he opt out of 12.6 mil to sign this shit offer? He's opting out because he knows this will be his last big contract and he'll chase the money and years.

[look_at_g_shred]

Will Monroe demand as much as Aldridge? I see that as a great back up plan.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1834/bismack-biyombo

Biyombo may not even get a qualifying offer. Spurs could add some young, experienced post presence at discount pricing.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2015/06/the_lengths_iman_shumpert_went.html

This article makes Shumpert sound like this seasons Mills. He seems like a credible Manu apprentice, an area of need. Defensive skills, athleticism, has been known to hit a shot and play some point. Wouldn't break the bank. And in the not so unlikely even that he panned out, he'd be on a pretty friendly contract. This is the kind of player i think is ideal for the the spurs to target, in free agency.

[Uriel]

If our dream scenario comes into fruition, our depth chart would look something like this:

C - Duncan
PF - Aldridge, Diaw
SF - Leonard, Anderson
SG - Green, Ginobili
PG - Parker, Mills

How likely is it that we can bring back Joseph, Baynes, Bonner, and Ayres on minimum contracts to fill out the rest of the roster?

[Big P]

I could see the Spurs offering Alan Anderson $2 or $ 3 mil a year, he is a decent 3 and D guy that could be had on the cheap. Mirza Teletovic is another player I think the Spurs could get for $ 3 or 4 mil a year, I don't think the Nets will match any kind of offer for either one of those guys.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Can someone remind me what the point of the moratorium period is? And does the 3-day time frame to match an offer agreed upon during the moratorium start when the agreement is made or when the contract is actually signed after the moratorium period is over?

[jesterbobman]

The Moratorium is a break where the teams can decide who to sign/ sort out their plan until they get to the Contract signing day.

The end of the moratorium is the first day that teams can sign free agents. Signing the contract, and delivering the contract to the team with the matching option, (Spurs FO in Kawhi's case) starts the clock on the 3 days.

[Chinook]

Can someone remind me what the point of the moratorium period is? And does the 3-day time frame to match an offer agreed upon during the moratorium start when the agreement is made or when the contract is actually signed after the moratorium period is over?

The actual point of the moratorium is so the league can calculate BRI and thus set the cap (before that, everyone is working off projections). NO new contracts are official except QOs, and that means the clocks don't start for offer sheets until the contracts are signed and faxed to the League office.

[Chinook]

If our dream scenario comes into fruition, our depth chart would look something like this:

C - Duncan
PF - Aldridge, Diaw
SF - Leonard, Anderson
SG - Green, Ginobili
PG - Parker, Mills

How likely is it that we can bring back Joseph, Baynes, Bonner, and Ayres on minimum contracts to fill out the rest of the roster?









Not Joseph or Baynes. Neither made the min last season, and they won't next season. Yes to the other two, though I wouldn't want them.

[elemento]

I would be very happy with that Uriel's team.

[Seventyniner]

The actual point of the moratorium is so the league can calculate BRI and thus set the cap (before that, everyone is working off projections). NO new contracts are official except QOs, and that means the clocks don't start for offer sheets until the contracts are signed and faxed to the League office.

That's still a thing?

[Chinook]

That's still a thing?

Believe that it's still THE thing.

[Uriel]

Not Joseph or Baynes. Neither made the min last season, and they won't next season. Yes to the other two, though I wouldn't want them.
But if our goal is to have depth and establish continuity, wouldn't it be better to retain as much of last year's team as possible, rather than filling out the rest of the roster with warm bodies on minimum contracts?

And what makes people so sure that Joseph and Baynes will attract offers from elsewhere above the mimimum? These are replacement-level players, and neither of them really stood out last season.

[FireMicoHalili]

Wagering Joseph ends up with the Cavs

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Is West better than Amare?

[DrunkTXLabrat]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/2290/patric-young

also, bummer.

[ceperez]

Is West better than Amare?

Yup, West definitely better than Amare this point in career. West can still shoot.... Amare is more of a immobile stiff.

[Godbama]

If the rumors of Larry Sanders trying to come back are true...I'd be down to take a shot...

[Kawhitstorm]

If the rumors of Larry Sanders trying to come back are true...I'd be down to take a shot...

Marc Cuban will fly him out on a private jet right after he's released from rehab.:lol

[SD126]

Is West better than Amare?

Uh....yeah

[Man In Black]

So Kevin Durant is being talked about...
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/kevin-durant-on-thunder-s-chemistry---look--we-like-each-other-132132999.html

What would it take for him to come here salary cap wise?

[CGD]

So Kevin Durant is being talked about...
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/kevin-durant-on-thunder-s-chemistry---look--we-like-each-other-132132999.html

What would it take for him to come here salary cap wise?

Not buying this is a thing btw, but a sign and trade where Spurs send out Parker, Green, and Boris gets you in KDs Max Salary ballpark I think.

More likely I think KD signs a 1+1 and does this next year. Will give him a better idea about Westbrooks long term intentions.

[SD126]

So Kevin Durant is being talked about...
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/kevin-durant-on-thunder-s-chemistry---look--we-like-each-other-132132999.html

What would it take for him to come here salary cap wise?

Nothing. Because it isn't happening.

[HarlemHeat37]

Teletovic has had a great bounce-back season after his blood clot issue, tbh..a lot of people here wanted him and saw him as a logical fit with the Spurs, I think his contract was only 1-year with the Suns IIRC

[Kawhitstorm]

Teletovic has had a great bounce-back season after his blood clot issue, tbh..a lot of people here wanted him and saw him as a logical fit with the Spurs, I think his contract was only 1-year with the Suns IIRC

He's a terrible defender (Marco status) but considering Ryan Anderson is going to get close to the max, wouldn't mind him for the MLE.

[HarlemHeat37]

He's a terrible defender (Marco status) but considering Ryan Anderson is going to get close to the max, wouldn't mind him for the MLE.

Terrible on defense and one of the biggest ballhogs in the league, but I don't mind those traits for a bench big:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Terrible on defense and one of the biggest ballhogs in the league, but I don't mind those traits for a bench big:lol

Basically, swap him for Bonner/Boban.

[TD 21]

Apparently he wants to remain a Sun and the feeling is mutual. He only makes sense for the Spurs anyway if they move on from Diaw, since they two can't play together at all.

This team clearly needs a rotation caliber, true stretch four, but I suspect they have Aldridge re-dedicate himself to being one (albeit a low volume one) and hope Bertans can eventually fill the role. Granted, he's not a true power forward and won't be a rotation player next season, if ever.

The biggest need is finding a point guard who fits the profile of Joseph. If it's not going to be there at 29, I could see them pursuing a trade for someone like Grant or Wright.

Starting center will obviously be the immediate need, should Duncan retire, but I could see them settling on a low cost option like Aldrich or (Miles) Plumlee and having them, Aldridge and Marjanovic, play it by committee.

[Kawhitstorm]

Apparently he wants to remain a Sun and the feeling is mutual. He only makes sense for the Spurs anyway if they move on from Diaw, since they two can't play together at all.

This team clearly needs a rotation caliber, true stretch four, but I suspect they have Aldridge re-dedicate himself to being one (albeit a low volume one) and hope Bertans can eventually fill the role. Granted, he's not a true power forward and won't be a rotation player next season, if ever.

Jon Leuer is fine w/ me as a Bonner replacement. If D-West opts-in then Teletovic probably wouldn't get enough minutes to keep him happy.


The biggest need is finding a point guard who fits the profile of Joseph. If it's not going to be there at 29, I could see them pursuing a trade for someone like Grant or Wright.
Gary Payton II can approximate CoJo:wakeup


Starting center will obviously be the immediate need, should Duncan retire, but I could see them settling on a low cost option like Aldrich or (Miles) Plumlee and having them, Aldridge and Marjanovic, play it by committee.

Plumlee is Baynes status, I'm not sure he's starting center material on a contender.:lol (Maybe a Boban replacement)

If Aldrich plays well in the postseason then I wouldn't mind him tag-teaming w/ Boban.

[TD 21]

Jon Leuer is fine w/ me as a Bonner replacement. If D-West opts-in then Teletovic probably wouldn't get enough minutes to keep him happy.


Gary Payton II can approximate CoJo:wakeup



Plumlee is Baynes status, I'm not sure he's starting center material on a contender.:lol (Maybe a Boban replacement)

If Aldrich plays well in the postseason then I wouldn't mind him tag-teaming w/ Boban.

I don't mind Leuer, but he's a low volume three-point shooter. They already have Diaw and Aldridge will probably get back to being that next season. This team needs a gunner and it'll probably be Bertans.

No chance West opts-in. Even if he stays (I doubt it, but we'll see), it's not going to be for the veteran's minimum again.

I never said "Payton II can approximate Joseph", idiot. I said, if he's of that mold, he might be worthwhile. Either way, they need someone of that mold.

Plumlee isn't a starter period. But if Duncan retires this off season, they'll be in tough to sign a legitimate one. Short term, they could get by without one and have it played by committee. Plumlee and Aldrich are the types that would theoretically compliment Aldridge, but neither would be more than a 20 mpg player.

[Kawhitstorm]

I never said "Payton II can approximate Joseph", idiot.

Dummy, *I* said "Payton II can approximate Joseph"!:lol

[intlspurshk]

I would expect a player like Zaza to be center for SPURS as Mavs will sign D Howard

[apalisoc_9]

I would expect a player like Zaza to be center for SPURS as Mavs will sign D Howard
Zaza is a horrible rim protector. He was losing minutes to Mejri against OKC because the lane was like a fast food drive through. Mejri got injured so Zaza got to play more in the last two games.

Getting benched for a rookie says a lot about his inability to protect the rim.

I dont think the center position is as important as a scoring Guard. There's a couple of names this year the spurs might look at..forunier, Gordon.

Any insight on John Leur Rim Protection? Ian was amazing this playoffs. He got the raptors guard to shit their pants on the drive. Amazinf rim protection. I wonder how much he would command in the market.

[TD 21]

Zaza is a horrible rim protector. He was losing minutes to Mejri against OKC because the lane was like a fast food drive through. Mejri got injured so Zaza got to play more in the last two games.

Getting benched for a rookie says a lot about his inability to protect the rim.

I dont think the center position is as important as a scoring Guard. There's a couple of names this year the spurs might look at..forunier, Gordon.

Any insight on John Leur Rim Protection? Ian was amazing this playoffs. He got the raptors guard to shit their pants on the drive. Amazinf rim protection. I wonder how much he would command in the market.

He is, but this wouldn't shock me. He strikes me as a Spur and he checks a lot of the boxes they covet/need.

Center is most important, because unless Duncan returns, they don't have a second starting big under contract for next season (only two total, with Diaw being partially guaranteed). Marjanovic is restricted and likely to be re-signed, but that doesn't solve the starting spot.

At least with guard, the four rotation ones are all under contract (plus Simmons, though he's non guaranteed) and like it or not, only Ginobili retiring likely changes that.

Like most quality restricted free agents, Fournier isn't going anywhere. Gordon doesn't strike me as a Spur, but if he could be had on a relatively inexpensive one year deal, I wouldn't be opposed.

[Kawhitstorm]

Zaza is a horrible rim protector. He was losing minutes to Mejri against OKC because the lane was like a fast food drive through. Mejri got injured so Zaza got to play more in the last two games.

Getting benched for a rookie says a lot about his inability to protect the rim.

Zaza got sonned by Boban during the season finale & fouls too much. Supposedly, Dirk likes playing w/ him so he might re-sign w/ the Mavs.


Any insight on John Leur Rim Protection? Ian was amazing this playoffs. He got the raptors guard to shit their pants on the drive. Amazinf rim protection. I wonder how much he would command in the market.

Leuer is a hustle player not a rim protector but he would be a perfect replacement for Bonner. Ian still struggles guarding/boxing out legit centers so I'm not sure he would be starting material but he would be great in an Ezeli type role.



Center is most important, because unless Duncan returns, they don't have a second starting big under contract for next season (only two total, with Diaw being partially guaranteed). Marjanovic is restricted and likely to be re-signed, but that doesn't solve the starting spot.

Mozgov isn't going to re-sign w/ the Cavs & will be coming of a disappointing season so he could be had for a bargain. He's a better rim protector than Boban & a better offensive player than Hibbert so he would be a legit backup center if PATFO can get Pau for the MLE.

5ZQPJRYMWac

http://i.imgur.com/kXWmlBu.jpg


Like most quality restricted free agents, Fournier isn't going anywhere. Gordon doesn't strike me as a Spur, but if he could be had on a relatively inexpensive one year deal, I wouldn't be opposed.

The Magic have too many guards & wing players so it wouldn't make sense to pay Fournier over his market value unless they move Oladipo/Hezonja/Payton. They tried low-balling him but he turned down the extension: http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/2015/11/23/9783986/evan-fournier-salary-contract-2015-orlando-magic

Gordon is too young to take a paycut & injury prone to sign a one year contract. If he signs a 1 yr contract he would most likely want starters minutes so he could cash in the following summer. (Memphis could use him in a starting role or OKC could let Waiters walk & sign him)

[TD 21]

Zaza got sonned by Boban during the season finale & fouls too much. Supposedly, Dirk likes playing w/ him so he might re-sign w/ the Mavs.



Leuer is a hustle player not a rim protector but he would be a perfect replacement for Bonner. Ian still struggles guarding/boxing out legit centers so I'm not sure he would be starting material but he would be great in an Ezeli type role.



Mozgov isn't going to re-sign w/ the Cavs & will be coming of a disappointing season so he could be had for a bargain. He's a better rim protector than Boban & a better offensive player than Hibbert so he would be a legit backup center if PATFO can get Pau for the MLE.

5ZQPJRYMWac

http://i.imgur.com/kXWmlBu.jpg



The Magic have too many guards & wing players so it wouldn't make sense to pay Fournier over his market value unless they move Oladipo/Hezonja/Payton. They tried low-balling him but he turned down the extension: http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/2015/11/23/9783986/evan-fournier-salary-contract-2015-orlando-magic

Gordon is too young to take a paycut & injury prone to sign a one year contract. If he signs a 1 yr contract he would most likely want starters minutes so he could cash in the following summer. (Memphis could use him in a starting role or OKC could let Waiters walk & sign him)

He might, but if they get Howard, that's out.

Bertans will more than likely be the Bonner replacement. Leuer is a low volume three-point shooter.

Even in a down season, with the majority of the league flush with cap space, Mozgov still probably gets a deal outside of the Spurs' price range. I'm not even sure they'd want to spend big on a center, when Aldridge is going to probably continue splitting minutes between both big positions.

The only small forward on the Magic is Hezonja, who's unproven. Fournier is the only other rotation player, who can get by playing it on both ends, in a lot of match-ups. He's also one of their three best players and they've got plenty of financial flexibility. They're not letting him go for no reason.

Gordon is definitely going to have to take a pay cut and as such, he'll probably want a 1 year deal to attempt to repair his value. He'll obviously want starters minutes, but he can essentially split minutes with Green.

[Kawhitstorm]

The only small forward on the Magic is Hezonja, who's unproven. Fournier is the only other rotation player, who can get by playing it on both ends, in a lot of match-ups. He's also one of their three best players and they've got plenty of financial flexibility. They're not letting him go for no reason.

Playing Fournier over Hezonja is going to be like playing Tobias Harris over Aaron Gordon. They gave Harris a 60 million contract this past summer & traded him midseason for peanuts to free up playing time for Gordon.


Gordon is definitely going to have to take a pay cut and as such, he'll probably want a 1 year deal to attempt to repair his value. He'll obviously want starters minutes, but he can essentially split minutes with Green.

Someone like Courtney Lee is suited for that role rather than a guy who is going to demand starter minutes (30+)

[TD 21]

Playing Fournier over Hezonja is going to be like playing Tobias Harris over Aaron Gordon. They gave Harris a 60 million contract this past summer & traded him midseason for peanuts to free up playing time for Gordon.



Someone like Courtney Lee is suited for that role rather than a guy who is going to demand starter minutes (30+)

They don't have to choose one over the other; at least not now. Hezonja will be on his rookie contract for three more years and in the meantime, they can play a three wing rotation, with Oladipo.

Gordon is not in a position to make demands, at this point and given his lack of durability, interested teams will probably want to limit his minutes.

[Kawhitstorm]

They don't have to choose one over the other; at least not now. Hezonja will be on his rookie contract for three more years and in the meantime, they can play a three wing rotation, with Oladipo.

Based on that logic, they have no freaking starting frontcourt players besides Vuc so why would they trade Tobias Harris when they had Gordon (who isn't a true PF) on a rookie contract. We're talking about the same franchise that had Frye rotting on the bench, signed Ben Gordon just to cut him & refused to play Andrew Nicholson (a free agent I want PATFO to go after).

James Borrego (their interim coach last season) is now on the Spurs staff so I'm pretty sure he has insiders info along w/ Fournier being buddies w/ Diaw/Tony.



Gordon is not in a position to make demands, at this point and given his lack of durability, interested teams will probably want to limit his minutes.

Tell that to Chandler Parsons & the Mavs.:lol (Wes Matthews got a max after rupturing his achilles)

I could see Gordon on the Rockets since they need another playmaker & he will definitely get starters minutes. More gave Lin 15 mill under the old CBA so he will definitely get 10+ mill next season. Only someone like Ty Lawson would be willing to sign a 1 yr contract to prove himself.

[TD 21]

Based on that logic, they have no freaking starting frontcourt players besides Vuc so why would they trade Tobias Harris when they had Gordon (who isn't a true PF) on a rookie contract. We're talking about the same franchise that had Frye rotting on the bench, signed Ben Gordon just to cut him & refused to play Andrew Nicholson (a free agent I want PATFO to go after).

James Borrego (their interim coach last season) is now on the Spurs staff so I'm pretty sure he has insiders info along w/ Fournier being buddies w/ Diaw/Tony.




Tell that to Chandler Parsons & the Mavs.:lol (Wes Matthews got a max after rupturing his achilles)

I could see Gordon on the Rockets since they need another playmaker & he will definitely get starters minutes. More gave Lin 15 mill under the old CBA so he will definitely get 10+ mill next season. Only someone like Ty Lawson would be willing to sign a 1 yr contract to prove himself.

They had Vucevic, Fournier (really, a shooting guard masquerading as a small forward, in order to get their best lineup on the floor) and wanted to pave the way for Gordon to start.

This is different than trading Harris. There's no reason to think they won't re-sign Fournier. Quality RFA's are almost always re-signed, even if they receive an insane offer sheet, for no other reason than asset retention.


Matthews has a much better reputation than Gordon and hasn't had constant injuries (albeit, he had a significant one).

I see Gordon in a similar position to where Mayo was 4 years ago when he signed with the Mavericks. He has to essentially prove himself all over again. Lawson's definitely in that position, too.

[Kawhitstorm]

They had Vucevic, Fournier (really, a shooting guard masquerading as a small forward, in order to get their best lineup on the floor) and wanted to pave the way for Gordon to start.
If Fournier is a SG masquerading as a SF then why in the hell would they pay him over market value when they have Oladipo!:downspin:


There's no reason to think they won't re-sign Fournier. Quality RFA's are almost always re-signed, even if they receive an insane offer sheet, for no other reason than asset retention.

Utah let Wes Matthews walk when he was an RFA after making a qualifying offer & I see Fournier as a Wes Matthew tier player.


I see Gordon in a similar position to where Mayo was 4 years ago when he signed with the Mavericks. He has to essentially prove himself all over again. Lawson's definitely in that position, too.

Mayo::lmao, Gordon is a Monta Ellis tier player who can average 20 ppg on a playoff team. Mayo is a JR Smith tier player.

[TD 21]

If Fournier is a SG masquerading as a SF then why in the hell would they pay him over market value when they have Oladipo!:downspin:



Utah let Wes Matthews walk when he was an RFA after making a qualifying offer & I see Fournier as a Wes Matthew tier player.



Mayo::lmao, Gordon is a Monta Ellis tier player who can average 20 ppg on a playoff team. Mayo is a JR Smith tier player.

Asset retention. Plus, unless they're playing a power small forward, they can get away with it and I suspect they're undecided on which of him or Oladipo to keep long term.

Again, quality RFA's are almost always re-signed.

Gordon is better than Mayo, when healthy, but his constant durability issues knock him down a tier, which is why I suspect he ends up on a one (maybe two, with a player option) year contract, so that if all goes well, he can re-enter the market a year from now and get his true value.

[Kawhitstorm]

Asset retention. Plus, unless they're playing a power small forward, they can get away with it and I suspect they're undecided on which of him or Oladipo to keep long term.

That asset retention worked out for them w/ the Tobias Harris deal.:lol


Again, quality RFA's are almost always re-signed.

That's COMMON KNOWLEDGE but this is one of those cases where the RFA could just walk. Orlando hasn't had a great track record when it comes to their front office after the Dwight era.

They traded Harkless for peanuts & gave up RFA O'Quinn in sign-&-trade for cash plus 2nd rd. Nicholson is probably going to walk after rotting on their bench.


Gordon is better than Mayo, when healthy, but his constant durability issues knock him down a tier, which is why I suspect he ends up on a one (maybe two, with a player option) year contract, so that if all goes well, he can re-enter the market a year from now and get his true value.

Which is why he'll looking for a starting job rather than playing backup.

[TD 21]

That asset retention worked out for them w/ the Tobias Harris deal.:lol



That's COMMON KNOWLEDGE but this is one of those cases where the RFA could just walk. Orlando hasn't had a great track record when it comes to their front office after the Dwight era.

They traded Harkless for peanuts & gave up RFA O'Quinn in sign-&-trade for cash plus 2nd rd. Nicholson is probably going to walk after rotting on their bench.



Which is why he'll looking for a starting job rather than playing backup.

One thing doesn't guarantee another, but him and Kanter are perfect examples. Neither team wanted to pay what they got, but ultimately did, if for no other reason than to ensure they didn't get nothing for them.

I don't see it. Harkless, O'Quinn and Nicholson, are not Fournier.

Of course he'll be looking for one, but it doesn't mean he'll get it. Again, he doesn't strike me as a Spur, but he could somewhat have it with the Spurs, in the same sense Ginobili has.

Stuckey, two years ago, is another example of the situation Gordon is now in.

[Kawhitstorm]

One thing doesn't guarantee another, but him and Kanter are perfect examples. Neither team wanted to pay what they got, but ultimately did, if for no other reason than to ensure they didn't get nothing for them.

Kanter wasn't a matter of asset retention, they WANTED him to be part of their core after he wrecked the league following the trade. It was a matter of whether or not he was worth the max. Otherwise, the Rockets let Parsons walk b/c they didn't want to pay the max.

Fournier on the other hand is a one way player who isn't that much better offensively than Oladipo & Hezonja is a legit SF who has will most likely be the best out of the 3. They have to move Oladpio to prevent a log jam but Oladipo is a two way player:

4zQ4FiUZW2o


I don't see it. Harkless, O'Quinn and Nicholson, are not Fournier.

They offered Fournier the CoJo contract when Barnes got double, that will tell you how they value him.:lol Most recently, Isaiah Thomas was given up by two franchises by peanuts...some teams are bad for a reason.


Of course he'll be looking for one, but it doesn't mean he'll get it. Again, he doesn't strike me as a Spur, but he could somewhat have it with the Spurs, in the same sense Ginobili has.

The Knicks will bow at his alter to upgrade their shitty backcourt: Sasha Vujacic:lmao


Stuckey, two years ago, is another example of the situation Gordon is now in.

Stuckey is essentially a poorman's Monta Ellis:lol

[TD 21]

Kanter wasn't a matter of asset retention, they WANTED him to be part of their core after he wrecked the league following the trade. It was a matter of whether or not he was worth the max. Otherwise, the Rockets let Parsons walk b/c they didn't want to pay the max.

Fournier on the other hand is a one way player who isn't that much better offensively than Oladipo & Hezonja is a legit SF who has will most likely be the best out of the 3. They have to move Oladpio to prevent a log jam but Oladipo is a two way player:

4zQ4FiUZW2o



They offered Fournier the CoJo contract when Barnes got double, that will tell you how they value him.:lol Most recently, Isaiah Thomas was given up by two franchises by peanuts...some teams are bad for a reason.



The Knicks will bow at his alter to upgrade their shitty backcourt: Sasha Vujacic:lmao



Stuckey is essentially a poorman's Monta Ellis:lol

Sure they did, but not at that price, which was why there was supposedly some trepidation before matching the Trail Blazers offer sheet.

Of course it's possible the Magic won't match on Fournier if he receives an astronomical offer sheet, but the odds are against it and the Spurs wouldn't exactly be in prime position to put forth that type of offer.

They offered Fournier that contract around the start of the season; things changed. He's obviously worth more now and they probably value him as such.

Thomas is a bad example, as he plays a loaded position and was stereotyped as a 6th man type because of his size.

Of course Ellis was/is better than Stuckey; that's not the point.

[palangi]

What about going after Miles Plumlee? An athletic 7'er.

I wouldnt mind mind putting a contract on Jordan clarkson either. He would be a better PG than Parker at this point. He is restricted, but they do have Russell already, so the Lakers might let him walk while they are focusing on bigger FA?

[Kawhitstorm]

What about going after Miles Plumlee? An athletic 7'er.

Plumlee can play a Baynes role as the 5th big but that's about it.


I wouldnt mind mind putting a contract on Jordan clarkson either. He would be a better PG than Parker at this point. He is restricted, but they do have Russell already, so the Lakers might let him walk while they are focusing on bigger FA?

Clarkson is a combo guard, not a point guard. He would be awesome in a 6th man role but as a starter he's just above average. The Lakers might as well re-sign Clarkson rather than maxing out DeRozan.:lol

[palangi]

Plumlee can play a Baynes role as the 5th big but that's about it.

plumlee is a much more athletic Baynes and better defender.



Clarkson is a combo guard, not a point guard. He would be awesome in a 6th man role but as a starter he's just above average. The Lakers might as well re-sign Clarkson rather than maxing out DeRozan.:lol
and a combo guard? You mean like Westbrook?

[ManuTastic]

Who could we get for Parker? Not a new question I know, but he looked pretty decent in the last series. It seems like there are teams out there that have lots of interesting/green young players but who would like a veteran PG to be at least reliable off the bench and score 6-10 pts a game. I could see Tony working out very well in NY or Bkln, since they need everything, but I don't know what they have to give back--not much probably. Boston has lots of young players, but mostly they have small guards, so they probably wouldn't be interested.
What's a team that feels like it needs an experienced (not all-star, just experienced) vet to take their young roster up a notch into the playoffs?

[Brian Windhorst]

Who could we get for Parker? Not a new question I know, but he looked pretty decent in the last series. It seems like there are teams out there that have lots of interesting/green young players but who would like a veteran PG to be at least reliable off the bench and score 6-10 pts a game. I could see Tony working out very well in NY or Bkln, since they need everything, but I don't know what they have to give back--not much probably. Boston has lots of young players, but mostly they have small guards, so they probably wouldn't be interested.
What's a team that feels like it needs an experienced (not all-star, just experienced) vet to take their young roster up a notch into the playoffs?

No one. It would probably take a first round pick attached just to trade him for cap space. No one is going to trade an actual player for his contract unless they're on an even worse contract.

[palangi]

No one. It would probably take a first round pick attached just to trade him for cap space. No one is going to trade an actual player for his contract unless they're on an even worse contract.
I've put it down before but I think the 76ers could be a possible trade candidate. They could use veteran leadership. they don't really have a PG of the future on the roster. so they could bring in tony for 2 years and help the other young guys develop. he could help out brown with establishing the system in philly. And they have a ton of cap room to eat up his contract for the next 2 years.

[Spurs9]

I've put it down before but I think the 76ers could be a possible trade candidate. They could use veteran leadership. they don't really have a PG of the future on the roster. so they could bring in tony for 2 years and help the other young guys develop. he could help out brown with establishing the system in philly. And they have a ton of cap room to eat up his contract for the next 2 years.
Philly could definitely be a prospect for some sort of trade with as many picks as they have as well as players on the team, along with the history with Brown and colangelo.

http://www.libertyballers.com/2016/5/13/11672054/bryan-colangelo-might-trade-picks-for-veterans-which-is-fine-until

Parker+(X) for Okafor+pick?

[r0drig0lac]

Philly could definitely be a prospect for some sort of trade with as many picks as they have as well as players on the team, along with the history with Brown and colangelo.

http://www.libertyballers.com/2016/5/13/11672054/bryan-colangelo-might-trade-picks-for-veterans-which-is-fine-until

Parker+(X) for Okafor+pick?

at least 20 teams have better deals by Okafor, it makes no sense to philly

[Spurs9]

at least 20 teams have better deals by Okafor, it makes no sense to philly
I know just using that as a example, but the draft picks could be dealt for some deal. I just don't know enough about the prospects to know if Spurs believed in any player to try to move up to take him.

[r0drig0lac]

I know just using that as a example, but the draft picks could be dealt for some deal. I just don't know enough about the prospects to know if Spurs believed in any player to try to move up to take him.

I understand, I hope that the exchange of Diaw / Mills for a few picks (2nd round, perhaps?) And get some athletic wing with available space

[Cklbmk]

I understand, I hope that the exchange of Diaw / Mills for a few picks (2nd round, perhaps?) And get some athletic wing with available space


We have one already. Simmons.

Much rather get a Jeremy Lin + Sullinger/Jordan hill/Biyombo than another Wing unless his name is Durant

[r0drig0lac]

We have one already. Simmons.

Much rather get a Jeremy Lin + Sullinger/Jordan hill/Biyombo than another Wing unless his name is Durant

I just do not think only one is enough (unless Simmons has a great improvement next year), but the idea is good (not with Sullinger), I hope to use the pick we have in Taurean Prince (would be ideal backup for Kawhi imo) or Thon Maker

[Chinook]

Philly could definitely be a prospect for some sort of trade with as many picks as they have as well as players on the team, along with the history with Brown and colangelo.

http://www.libertyballers.com/2016/5/13/11672054/bryan-colangelo-might-trade-picks-for-veterans-which-is-fine-until

Parker+(X) for Okafor+pick?

If Philly is willing to offer that Miami pick, you take it and run. That's even more true if they're willing to absorb Diaw's $3 Million.

[Brian Windhorst]

You people are seriously underestimating just how bad Parker's contract is relative to anything he gives you on the court. It's going to take PATFO finding a comically dumb owner (Sacramento maybe) or a Hinkie-like tanking GM for anyone to trade Parker for cap space straight up. Other than that, no team is going to touch him unless they get a pick or an asset out of it.

[CGD]

Thinking about the bench:

I wonder if Eric Gordon is an option now that his massive contract has expired. He obviously comes with health risks, but he will be eager to rehabilitate his career. Maybe a short term deal allowing him to test the waters again next summer if he does well?

Deng would be a nice solid vet for the bench. Miami seems to have many tough choices this summer with Whiteside, Wade, Bosh's health issues leading him to fall off their radar.

Dudley is a solid 3&D guy. Great glue guy off the bench that can play smallball 4.

[Kawhitstorm]

I wonder if Eric Gordon is an option now that his massive contract has expired. He obviously comes with health risks, but he will be eager to rehabilitate his career. Maybe a short term deal allowing him to test the waters again next summer if he does well?

Gordon is going to sign w/ a 1 year contract & start for a team like Memphis then hit the free agent market next summer for a long term contract.


Deng would be a nice solid vet for the bench. Miami seems to have many tough choices this summer with Whiteside, Wade, Bosh's health issues leading him to fall off their radar.

Deng played himself into a FAT contract w/ his playoff performance. He's going to get overpaid to be a stretch 4.


Dudley is a solid 3&D guy. Great glue guy off the bench that can play smallball 4.

Dudley could be a Diaw replacement signing a combo guard to replace Manu is more of a priority since Kawhi can play small-ball 4.

[Vito Corleone]

You people are seriously underestimating just how bad Parker's contract is relative to anything he gives you on the court. It's going to take PATFO finding a comically dumb owner (Sacramento maybe) or a Hinkie-like tanking GM for anyone to trade Parker for cap space straight up. Other than that, no team is going to touch him unless they get a pick or an asset out of it.

In 7 months Parker's contract becomes very very valuable. Parker has 2 years left on that contract for roughly 17 million per year, by next season's trade deadline that contract becomes really really valuable especially when teams know they are going to clear 17 million off their books in time for the 2019 free agency.

A team is willing to absorb 22 to 24 million in salary if they also know it's going to give them 17 to 18 million in cap space in 2 years.

[Vito Corleone]

There are 3 guys we should be aiming for. All 3 are centers that would be the perfect compliment to Kawhi and LeMarcus.

1. Hassan Whiteside - best combination of rebounder defender we could hope for. He can score when needed, but mostly he is a guy that can contribute without the ball in his hands.

2. Al Horton - second best big man in the same mold as Whiteside.

3. Ian Mahinmi - Poor mans whiteside. he won't scare anyone but he will come at a discount comparatively and still can be effective without the ball in his hands.

[Kawhitstorm]

2. Al Horton - second best big man in the same mold as Whiteside.

Horford is NOTHING like Whiteside.:lol

[SD126]

Whiteside - too bad will get a max contract from someone with significant cap space. I know he's a head case but really wouldn't have minded him.

Horford - meh

Mahinmi - Pass. Ship sailed when he was gone back in '10. Let it keep sailing away.

[Kawhitstorm]

Mahinmi - Pass. Ship sailed when he was gone back in '10. Let it keep sailing away.

Ian is a mediocre rebounder who still gets pushed around in the paint, dude is going to get overpaid after a contract year season.:lol

Cole Aldrich per 36 minutes was better: http://bkref.com/tiny/fZlJj

[SD126]

Ian is a mediocre rebounder who still gets pushed around in the paint, dude is going to get overpaid after a contract year season.:lol

Cole Aldrich per 36 minutes was better: http://bkref.com/tiny/fZlJj

I actually like Aldrich myself.

[Drom John]

Please unstick.

[Chinook]

Please unstick.

I'll unstick it once I make a new one.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Dwight Powell, anyone? Odds are the Spurs aren't going to get any starter-quality big men this summer, so might as well start looking for diamonds in the rough. Powell had a decent season in Dallas, is 24, and looks like he can carve out a role as a rotation big soon.

[Tully365]

I wonder if Mahinmi's past connection to the Spurs is an advantage or a disadvantage? Does he resent them for lack of playing time in the past, or miss playing with Parker & Boris? I've never read anything from him referencing the situation. For a reasonable price, he's an interesting option. Someone is going to max out or at least come close with Whiteside-- I don't think he's a realistic option. I'd be shocked if the Spurs would even consider him due to his immaturity.

One of the most underrated free agents this summer in my opinion will be Marvin Williams. He'll be 30 in June, has a few more years left in his prime, and just had arguably his best season. He won't demand the money of a top FA, and could back up both LMA and Kawhi. He could possibly even be the C in small ball line ups. If the Spurs can find another way to improve at the guard positions (via trade or draft), he might be a good option. He has added the 3 pt shot to his game and improved as a rebounder, and was surprisingly ranked 6th among PFs in RPM, ahead of guys like Blake Griffin, LMA, and Anthony Davis.

[objective]

Never heard anything from Mahinmi. He has returned to SA in at least one summer to train with Duncan & others so that relationship is good.

He would be close to ideal. Pricey, but should be less than the max and leave room to get guys like Bertans and odds and ends. He was one of the best defensive bigs in the NBA, protects the rim and is handles pick & rolls a lot better than Spurs centers. Can finish strong. Doesn't need the ball. Has relationships on the team & in the city. Knows the system as it used to be and could probably pick up on the changes quicker than any new player would the whole thing.

But ... he's 30 next season and finished this year with back issues that limited him to about one great playoff game. I wouldn't be surprised that if he signed a 4 year deal anywhere that he would only be effective the first two seasons then be a problem as age and injury ruin his athleticism and he no longer guards the pick & roll well, finishes less, and is slower to contest shots. A backup paid like a good starter.

And of course Pop screwed him over pretty hard his last season here. One thing for Pop is that he does seem to maintain good relationships regardless of what he did. Hill still likes him. Bowen has never had a bad word for Pop despite the same not being true in reverse. So maybe Ian doesn't mind.

I do think it might be a 4/60 deal though.

As far as Marvin Williams goes, he's routinely only performed in contract years and been mediocre or worse otherwise. And he's been getting paid like Splitter and will probably want a raise to 10+ annually. No thanks.

[MaNu4Tres]

Never heard anything from Mahinmi. He has returned to SA in at least one summer to train with Duncan & others so that relationship is good.

He would be close to ideal. Pricey, but should be less than the max and leave room to get guys like Bertans and odds and ends. He was one of the best defensive bigs in the NBA, protects the rim and is handles pick & rolls a lot better than Spurs centers. Can finish strong. Doesn't need the ball. Has relationships on the team & in the city. Knows the system as it used to be and could probably pick up on the changes quicker than any new player would the whole thing.

But ... he's 30 next season and finished this year with back issues that limited him to about one great playoff game. I wouldn't be surprised that if he signed a 4 year deal anywhere that he would only be effective the first two seasons then be a problem as age and injury ruin his athleticism and he no longer guards the pick & roll well, finishes less, and is slower to contest shots. A backup paid like a good starter.

And of course Pop screwed him over pretty hard his last season here. One thing for Pop is that he does seem to maintain good relationships regardless of what he did. Hill still likes him. Bowen has never had a bad word for Pop despite the same not being true in reverse. So maybe Ian doesn't mind.

I do think it might be a 4/60 deal though.

As far as Marvin Williams goes, he's routinely only performed in contract years and been mediocre or worse otherwise. And he's been getting paid like Splitter and will probably want a raise to 10+ annually. No thanks.

No thanks to 4/50-60 for Yanny.

[objective]

I agree that 4/60 is high, but I don't think I'd mind 4/50.

[palangi]

Never heard anything from Mahinmi. He has returned to SA in at least one summer to train with Duncan & others so that relationship is good.

He would be close to ideal. Pricey, but should be less than the max and leave room to get guys like Bertans and odds and ends. He was one of the best defensive bigs in the NBA, protects the rim and is handles pick & rolls a lot better than Spurs centers. Can finish strong. Doesn't need the ball. Has relationships on the team & in the city. Knows the system as it used to be and could probably pick up on the changes quicker than any new player would the whole thing.

But ... he's 30 next season and finished this year with back issues that limited him to about one great playoff game. I wouldn't be surprised that if he signed a 4 year deal anywhere that he would only be effective the first two seasons then be a problem as age and injury ruin his athleticism and he no longer guards the pick & roll well, finishes less, and is slower to contest shots. A backup paid like a good starter.

And of course Pop screwed him over pretty hard his last season here. One thing for Pop is that he does seem to maintain good relationships regardless of what he did. Hill still likes him. Bowen has never had a bad word for Pop despite the same not being true in reverse. So maybe Ian doesn't mind.

I do think it might be a 4/60 deal though.

As far as Marvin Williams goes, he's routinely only performed in contract years and been mediocre or worse otherwise. And he's been getting paid like Splitter and will probably want a raise to 10+ annually. No thanks.
I'd rather have the younger Miles Plumlee. He will also cost less, but give you the same production.

[TD 21]

I agree that 4/60 is high, but I don't think I'd mind 4/50.

I'd rather attempt to trade Diaw for Koufos (Kings have 3 rotation centers, zero rotation power forwards), who has 3 years/$25.5 M remaining on his contract, than sign Mahinmi, who's 3 years older and a year removed from being an inferior player, to that.

They'll probably just look to sign Gasol and re-sign Marjanovic, but if the plan is more of a younger, dirty work type, I'd rather have Koufos, Aldrich or Plumlee, at a fraction of the cost of Mahinmi or Mozgov, unless they can someone solve the other issues while splurging on a center.

[objective]

Plummer at 4/32 might be a better value dollar for dollar versus 4/50 for Ian, but Mahinmi would still be better. No one wants to give Ian credit, but he was the starting center and absolute anchor of the third best defense in the league. Not a backup on a bottom third defense. Ian is proven. He's done it. Plumlee and Koufos haven't.

I don't think I've ever liked Koufos. I don't think I've ever watched his pick and roll defense closely though. But didn't the Kings just hire Joeger as coach, who had Koufos in Memphis? They might want to hang on to him. I don't have any love left for Diaw so I'm not opposed to being rid of him.

[palangi]

Plumlee (Plummer) is known for his defense and rebounding. He is also a very athletic center. You can't fault him for the entire TEAM defense. Plus look at his coach. Kidd is terrible. And they went with Monroe at center who would start over Ian also. And Monroe isn't very good defensively.

[SD126]

Plummee is good 4th/5th big material. Definitely will get overpaid tho. 4/32 for a guy who was ok at best is way too steep.

[SAGirl]

Dwight Powell, anyone? Odds are the Spurs aren't going to get any starter-quality big men this summer, so might as well start looking for diamonds in the rough. Powell had a decent season in Dallas, is 24, and looks like he can carve out a role as a rotation big soon.
I read somewhere that Dallas sees him as a foundation player moving forward, him and Justin Anderson. They don't have much in the way of young promising prospects and these two have played well for them in small roles. I don't think Dallas lets him go.

[palangi]

Plummee is good 4th/5th big material. Definitely will get overpaid tho. 4/32 for a guy who was ok at best is way too steep.
Plumlee is very similar to Ian, who a lot here are clamoring for. For what we need plumper would be a great starter next to LMA. And at a cheaper price.

i wanted his brother last offseason and many here bagged me for it. Let's not miss out on the other one.

[mo7888]

Plumlee is very similar to Ian, who a lot here are clamoring for. For what we need plumper would be a great starter next to LMA. And at a cheaper price.

i wanted his brother last offseason and many here bagged me for it. Let's not miss out on the other one.

I would like to see us sign Plumlee as well....also of note, there is a younger Plumlee..Marshall I think...who is in the draft this year and will either go late in the 2nd or undrafted...Similar player..certainly not ready to see big minutes but he's interesting in the right scheme...

[TD 21]

Plummer at 4/32 might be a better value dollar for dollar versus 4/50 for Ian, but Mahinmi would still be better. No one wants to give Ian credit, but he was the starting center and absolute anchor of the third best defense in the league. Not a backup on a bottom third defense. Ian is proven. He's done it. Plumlee and Koufos haven't.

I don't think I've ever liked Koufos. I don't think I've ever watched his pick and roll defense closely though. But didn't the Kings just hire Joeger as coach, who had Koufos in Memphis? They might want to hang on to him. I don't have any love left for Diaw so I'm not opposed to being rid of him.

While difficult to project what the vast majority of players will get this summer, I'd be surprised if Plumlee gets 4/32.

In a vacuum, sure, I'd probably go with Mahinmi out of the three, but he's not worth the likely significant difference in salary, which matters when you've got as many significant holes as the Spurs do, with as little assets and financial flexibility as they have.

I'm not crazy about Koufos, but he's a similar enough (albeit, less mobile) type, who's younger and will be significantly cheaper.

[Tully365]

With the salary cap going up so dramatically this summer, I believe that leaves at least 15 teams below the NBA's minimum payroll requirement-- that's going to create some very strange scenarios. If poor teams with lots of cap room simply strike out in the free agency hunt, they'll be left with having to pay minimum type players more, or possibly trading for players with bigger contracts to reach the payroll minimum. Charlotte might have this issue-- they have 4 key players who will be free agents, so if they lose a few of them and can't attract other FAs to replace them, they might be forced to look at Sign & trades that bring back some salaries...

[Chinook]

Laziness knows no bounds. That, and I figured how to rename threads quickly. Had to try it out.

[DPG21920]

With the salary cap going up so dramatically this summer, I believe that leaves at least 15 teams below the NBA's minimum payroll requirement-- that's going to create some very strange scenarios. If poor teams with lots of cap room simply strike out in the free agency hunt, they'll be left with having to pay minimum type players more, or possibly trading for players with bigger contracts to reach the payroll minimum. Charlotte might have this issue-- they have 4 key players who will be free agents, so if they lose a few of them and can't attract other FAs to replace them, they might be forced to look at Sign & trades that bring back some salaries...

The floor is no big deal. Even if a team doesn't hit it, they can simply be charged the difference and it's paid to their current players.

I find that more appealing than signing someone you don't want to a bigger/longer term deal for cap reasons. You are paying that amount no matter what and might as well have it just be a one year hit with no future ramifications. Sure, I think you may see some of what you say, but I don't think the floor is a huge reason why...

[venitian navigator]

Kuzmimskas just been cut by NY.
Imho very good system player worth to be signed as soon as possible...

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Kuzmimskas just been cut by NY.
Imho very good system player worth to be signed as soon as possible...

Who do you cut? Bertans, Forbes or Paul?

[venitian navigator]

Forbes for a 2 draft choice.

[spurraider21]

AaronY

"nother level"