Free Baynes!!!..

[HarlemHeat37]

Damn, Baynes really needs more playi...

:lmao, nah, I'm playing, that boy suuuuuuckkks, tbh..

[timtonymanu]

He's still better than Errors though.

[jeebus]

Sean Marks' pregame defense is better than Errors.

EDIT: but to stay on topic, yes, Baynes should get a few games of consistent playing time instead of garbage minutes every 5 games.

[crc21209]

He's still better than Errors though.

This.

[Chinook]

It would be fine if the team had only one of Baynes/Ayres, but the fact that they have both is disheartening. Ayres being unable to space the floor really hurts the roster.

[bklynspursfan]

I was @ the game & Pop was pissed at both Ayres/Baynes a lot. Every time they made a mistake he would turn and start venting to the assistants. Neither played particularly well tonight.

[cd021]

As long as neither play outside of garbage time in the post season...

[DMC]

Baynes should be in pro wrestling, no pro basketball.

Errors is a fucking trainwreck. Every time I see him I think it's his first time ever playing the game. He's got like 3 weeks experiences like 55 times.

[Johnny RIngo]

Baynes/Ayres are a great example of why athleticism doesn't mean shit if you don't have the actual talent

[HarlemHeat37]

Baynes/Ayres are a great example of why athleticism doesn't mean shit if you don't have the actual talent

They are both great examples of the fortunes of winning the genetic lottery, tbh:lol..

[apalisoc_9]

I've been saying before tbh..Not only is baynes an awful defender, he also is slow as fuck and can't do PnR for shit...

Ayres is acutally a better roller and that's probably the only reason why he's ahead of baynes in the rotation, but they're both awful..

I like baynes 15 footers though.....That's one thing he has over ayres...

[MeloHype]

Baynes is ass

[freetiago]

Baynes is the lesser of 2 evils tbh...
every opposing run the team makes can be attributed to Errors entering the game
he slows down the offense when he has to make a decision and hes a complete non-factor unless hes dunking which he blows over 50% of the time

as soon as Splitter left for Errors in the first half is when the momentum swung to the Nets
Splitter at the half +9
Errors -7

16 point swing tbh..

[HarlemHeat37]

Ayres is one of the worst bigs in NBA history, but I've already made an Ayres thread in the past and the front page is full of Ayres threads from other posters:lol..

I figured Baynes needs a thread, too, he's an awful player, tbh..

[Sean Cagney]

It would be fine if the team had only one of Baynes/Ayres, but the fact that they have both is disheartening. Ayres being unable to space the floor really hurts the roster.

I came in to say just this here! They say he is still better than Ayres, whipty fucking DOO when we have both of the bums on the same damn team.

[Darius McCrary]

I liked Baynes when it looked like he'd be an enforcer. But ya he sucks

[Darius McCrary]

This team has still yet to replace that Willis-Massenburg-McDyess enforcer role. How many years has it been now? Need to get Baynes on that HGH, tbh

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I've been saying before tbh..Not only is baynes an awful defender, he also is slow as fuck and can't do PnR for shit...

Ayres is acutally a better roller and that's probably the only reason why he's ahead of baynes in the rotation, but they're both awful..

I like baynes 15 footers though.....That's one thing he has over ayres...

Thats funny I saw him run back and shut off a guard in transition. His +/- was +3. He shot poorly but other than that he acquitted himself well. He rebounded, cut off penetration, passed the ball well out of the post, etc. The Nets went on two run both times Baynes was taken out of the game.

It's like you guys have no clue wtf you are talking about. From my view, Baynes issues are mostly from the offensive end where he clearly does not know wtf he is doing. He just doesn't know what to do off the ball so he runs and sets screens and tries to force the issue. Now maybe he is too stupid to get the system but its easier to reign in aggression than is to create it. But the bullshit you guys talk about is just clueless nonsense.

[apalisoc_9]

Thats funny I saw him run back and shut off a guard in transition. His +/- was +3. He shot poorly but other than that he acquitted himself well. He rebounded, cut off penetration, passed the ball well out of the post, etc. The Nets went on two run both times Baynes was taken out of the game.

It's like you guys have no clue wtf you are talking about. From my view, Baynes issues are mostly from the offensive end where he clearly does not know wtf he is doing. He just doesn't know what to do off the ball so he runs and sets screens and tries to force the issue. Now maybe he is too stupid to get the system but its easier to reign in aggression than is to create it. But the bullshit you guys talk about is just clueless nonsense.

Wtf?

have you seen this guy defend the PnR?

Dude can't cover up anything..he's always 10 feet away from the guard....He goes deeper than he should often times and for that he's awful player..He's also dumb since he hasn't been able to figure out his mistakes.

[Ice009]

This team has still yet to replace that Willis-Massenburg-McDyess enforcer role. How many years has it been now? Need to get Baynes on that HGH, tbh

I loved Tony Massenburg and the role he played on the team. Really wanted him back the following season, but Timvp or someone here said that T-Mass was in a car accident during that off season and couldn't make it back. He would have helped against Dallas in the playoffs that year.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wtf?

have you seen this guy defend the PnR?

Dude can't cover up anything..he's always 10 feet away from the guard....He goes deeper than he should often times and for that he's awful player..He's also dumb since he hasn't been able to figure out his mistakes.

He plays ICE just fine zoning up to cut off the pass and still recover to challenge the shot. You do realize that the Spurs play that such that you give the big the 18 footer if he chooses to take it and hedge to the rim? He does show inconsistent technique on his closeouts. I assume you are grandstanding on the foul he had.

What you remind me of are guys watching NFL football and evaluating oline play on the basis of a single play that you remember. I watched him shutoff a couple of drives and smother a FB. Oh well.

The Nets in general and Anderson in particular were destroying us with the midrange jumper but that was what we were giving them. It is what it is. At the end of the day Baynes came off the court with a better margin.

Baynes was clearing out Kirilenko who was giving the Spurs fits with his picks. I especially liked him TOSBing Garnett and forcing a foul when he absolutely buried him 5 feet from the hoop on an early post just as I liked his vision to find the open cutter in Decolo for an easy layup out of the post.

All Baynes shows is flashes and he is far from putting it all together but considering his lack of NBA experience it does bear out that he will improve.

[apalisoc_9]

^

WTF

Dude gives about 10 feet of free space and would still back down a few steps after a guard takes a dribble or two forward..meaning he can't contest jumpshots and still gets blown by even with a margin..He's an awful defender.

I don't disagree that he might need some time to experience ball. I like this midrange, but he's really nothing but a scrub at this point..

And I didn;t watch the game tonight..Just general observation on what he brings on the floor every game.

[cd021]

The Spurs maybe though they could develop two intriguing big men (both athletic) on dirt cheap deals into rotation players but that has failed rather miserably. Almost $ 4.5 million to these two ($3.6 to Ayers) is just bad.

[weeks]

i don't understand why ayres gets chances over baynes, that's about the most credit i can give him

[FuzzyLumpkins]

^

WTF

Dude gives about 10 feet of free space and would still back down a few steps after a guard takes a dribble or two forward..meaning he can't contest jumpshots and still gets blown by even with a margin..He's an awful defender.

I don't disagree that he might need some time to experience ball. I like this midrange, but he's really nothing but a scrub at this point..

And I didn;t watch the game tonight..Just general observation on what he brings on the floor every game.

I don't see what you see. Just don't. I know what ICE is though and how the Spurs run it and watch him to do it. He takes a step back because on ICE the primary defender goes over the screen and has the responsibility for contesting the shot. The big is zoning the play behind the action. That is what we almost always run we sometimes do like the Mavs or the Heat and hedge real hard where they don't zone up to protect the rim but rather step up hard to the play side. We pretty much never do that anymore.

The weakness of ICE is that you give up those 15-18 footers. The weakness of hedging is that if its not executed well its easy to split the hedge and then you have a free lane to the basket. I really don't know what to tell you.

From reading what you are writing, you just don't seem to know what you are looking at.

[unforeseen]

End of bench players doing end of bench work, tbh.

[apalisoc_9]

I don't see what you see. Just don't. I know what ICE is though and how the Spurs run it and watch him to do it. He takes a step back because on ICE the primary defender goes over the screen and has the responsibility for contesting the shot. The big is zoning the play behind the action. That is what we almost always run we sometimes do like the Mavs or the Heat and hedge real hard where they don't zone up to protect the rim but rather step up hard to the play side. We pretty much never do that anymore.

The weakness of ICE is that you give up those 15-18 footers. The weakness of hedging is that if its not executed well its easy to split the hedge and then you have a free lane to the basket. I really don't know what to tell you.

From reading what you are writing, you just don't seem to know what you are looking at.

Listen man, Splitter is a heck of a defender...

Duncan has poor mobility and can't cover up guards anymore..But still has great timing..

Baynes is atrocious is just bad.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Listen man, Splitter is a heck of a defender...

Duncan has poor mobility and can't cover up guards anymore..But still has great timing..

Baynes is atrocious is just bad.

And this makes it 3 straight posts with hyperbole and emotion in place of specifics. I'm done.

[spurraider21]

Ayres can't catch bounce passes. that's a problem

[benfti]

and to be fair on Baynes he needs reps, the best he has played for the big club this season is the games he comes back from the D-League. Where he may have logged 2 or more 30 minute games.

YOu cant expect 7 footers who sit for weeks on end to come in have have touch straight away.

Cant explain Ayres though.

[venitian navigator]

The point is that both these bigs have what we always lacked...athleticism.
If we can sort out at least one decent player from them it's already a plus...'cause in the past our reserve bigs not named Diaw (I mean Blair and Bonner) have always been the primary goal - one on one- of every offensive set of our rival team.
One thing that both Baynes and Ayres have in common is that at least, 'cause of their athletic sklills, the opposite team need to create something istead of just giving the ball to one of their bigs...

The flaws of both are clear, but also the skills... I mean that with this human material you can work and try to improve them...obviously they need a lot of training time (and we are not particularly good at developing training bigs)and some playing time...expecially considering that both of them are practically new to the team (Baynes just played little minutes last year, and had no training camp) and that both didn't play a lot of minutes in these past two years.

[jeebus]

and to be fair on Baynes he needs reps, the best he has played for the big club this season is the games he comes back from the D-League. Where he may have logged 2 or more 30 minute games.

YOu cant expect 7 footers who sit for weeks on end to come in have have touch straight away.

Cant explain Ayres though.
That's what I was thinking. Apparently everyone else in the league gets a pass when playing like shit after sitting for 2 weeks except for Baynes. We obviously gotta hold him in higher regard and expect awesome results each time he enters the game. Silly thread tbh.

[superbigtime]

After Splitter and Diaw, the talent plummets precipitously. Our big men stink.

[Raven]

they have both been pretty fucking awful the whole season. I don't expect much of them, so i won't throw them under the bus, they may come in handy in the right matchup, but that's about it i guess. Definetely not cornerstones or anything close to it.

[SupremeGuy]

Might just be wishful thinking, but I think Baynes just needs pt. If he had gotten all the pt that Ayers has gotten so far this season, I think he'd be a quality back up.

[Budkin]

Really sucks because he looked so good early in the playoffs.

[TJastal]

After Splitter and Diaw, the talent plummets precipitously. Our big men stink.

Do you really think other nba teams have better as their 4th and 5th options?

[EVAY]

I think that Baynes is good at playing the role of a pulling guard in football. He does a good job of making room for our guards to get to the rim, a talent that Splitter has but Duncan hardly ever displays any more at all. Diaw can do a good job of that as well, although on offense he is normally spacing the floor so is less useful in that regard. Bonner and Ayres cannot do it all, but at least Bonner spreads the floor.

I think people are too hard on Baynes as well, but that is the nature of this forum, imo.

Is he good? Absolutely not. Does he have a better upside than Ayres or Bonner? I think maybe yes…but he needs lots and lots of development.

[poop]

Baynes > ayers

Baynes barely gets PT, his potential and effectiveness on the floor is vastly higher then ayers, who is already as effective as hes ever gonna be.
give baynes all of ayers minutes and he will do fine

[bigdog]

Give me Aron's 6 fouls and pick and pop midrange jump shot all day over Ayers.

[cd021]

Might just be wishful thinking, but I think Baynes just needs pt. If he had gotten all the pt that Ayers has gotten so far this season, I think he'd be a quality back up.

It is wishful thinking both of them aren't very good. We'd be better off going in a different direction.

[cd021]

After Splitter and Diaw, the talent plummets precipitously. Our big men stink.

Agreed.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It is wishful thinking both of them aren't very good. We'd be better off going in a different direction.

So we have moved from stats without context and cherry picking individual games onto emotional appeal. Bravo!

[cd021]

So we have moved from stats without context and cherry picking individual games onto emotional appeal. Bravo!

Have we moved on from this obsession with Baynes. Spurs need actual depth at the 4 or 5 in case Duncan, Diaw or Splitter go down. And I never said he wasn't an intriguing player he does have skill, he just hasn't been productive. Pop may come across as senile around here but he must have a reason for not playing Baynes more over Ayers.

[poop]

Pop is also a man who has kept and played Bonner huge minutes for year after year, played jaque vaughn non stop, stuck with finley waay after his prime, plays Ayers big minutes, etc...

Pop is stubborn

[jeebus]

Bottom line:

Without Baynes getting regular minutes - struggle against top teams

if Baynes was getting regular minutes - Spurs easily have 45+ games won already, easily beating top NBA teams

[wildcardX]

Well, the Spurs had their chance to sign Blatche who looks like a solid backup in Brooklyn. Also would Eddie Curry have been worse than these two guys? At least Curry had an offensive game. Baynes and Ayres have neither offense or defense.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Have we moved on from this obsession with Baynes. Spurs need actual depth at the 4 or 5 in case Duncan, Diaw or Splitter go down. And I never said he wasn't an intriguing player he does have skill, he just hasn't been productive. Pop may come across as senile around here but he must have a reason for not playing Baynes more over Ayers.

He has had several productive games when given burn lately. Watching Pop yank Baynes after wandering around setting screens at whim makes it obvious why to me. I think its too late in the game halfway through the season to go through Baynes growing pains so it is what it is at this point.

After seeing how Mills and Splitter were brought along and up it seems that we are going to have to wait until next year or a roster change before we see Baynes get his shot.

[timtonymanu]

Awful. If Splitter is going to go down with an injury every other game, I don't feel safe with our bigs after him.

[Jwash_1986]

Well, the Spurs had their chance to sign Blatche who looks like a solid backup in Brooklyn. Also would Eddie Curry have been worse than these two guys? At least Curry had an offensive game. Baynes and Ayres have neither offense or defense.

[exstatic]

Lock him back up. :lol

[DPG21920]

Spurs might have the worst 4th bigs and down in the league. Tim/Tiago/Boris are very solid, but there is not another NBA caliber big on the team.

[Johnny RIngo]

Spurs might have the worst 4th bigs and down in the league. Tim/Tiago/Boris are very solid, but there is not another NBA caliber big on the team.

Been saying this all summer. Spurs needed to sign a solid 4th big and a backup SF in the summer. They did neither and rolled with D-League quality players in Ayres, Baynes, DeColo, and Joseph. Bonner was a nice trade chip(partially guaranteed) and they refused to move him. Very, very weak off-season for the front office.

[exstatic]

Been saying this all summer. Spurs needed to sign a solid 4th big and a backup SF in the summer. They did neither and rolled with D-League quality players in Ayres, Baynes, DeColo, and Joseph. Bonner was a nice trade chip(partially guaranteed) and they refused to move him. Very, very weak off-season for the front office.

I can almost guarantee you who they will sign this summer. He's tall, light skinned, shoots a ton of 3s, and play for Phoenix.

[HarlemHeat37]

I can almost guarantee you who they will sign this summer. He's tall, light skinned, shoots a ton of 3s, and play for Phoenix.

:lol that's a pretty solid prediction, tbh..

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I can almost guarantee you who they will sign this summer. He's tall, light skinned, shoots a ton of 3s, and play for Phoenix.

I would love for them to sign Morrii from PHX tbh..

[exstatic]

I would love for them to sign Morrii from PHX tbh..

Don't be obtuse.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Don't be obtuse.

I'm not.. a man can dream.

[Raven]

he looks useless.

[Hoops Czar]

Baynes experiment shuld be over. I'm not sure who looks more demoralizing to watch, Baynes or Ayres. RC is just a clueless GM.

[Ice009]

Bottom line:

Without Baynes getting regular minutes - struggle against top teams

if Baynes was getting regular minutes - Spurs easily have 45+ games won already, easily beating top NBA teams

You want to say that again?

[wildcardX]

Baynes experiment shuld be over. I'm not sure who looks more demoralizing to watch, Baynes or Ayres. RC is just a clueless GM.

The Spurs should've just kept Blair, probably would've been cheaper at the very least.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Baynes experiment shuld be over. I'm not sure who looks more demoralizing to watch, Baynes or Ayres. RC is just a clueless GM.

I thought he was fine. Your takes are generally shit but can you specific examples of what he did that says that. I thought his defense was quite good all things considered. His rotations were on time and effective but its hard to play help defense when perimeter players not named Green were offering any resistance.

He passed well out of the post and rebounded well. He did a credible job several times screening away shotblockers on drives to the hoop even if the frenchmen couldn't finish for shit. I saw a guy that actually competed with their bigs. That is what I saw. What did you see?

[ElNono]

Spurs might have the worst 4th bigs and down in the league. Tim/Tiago/Boris are very solid, but there is not another NBA caliber big on the team.

That's who I expected Pop to roll with in the playoffs all along anyways (+Bonner on spot minutes). That's why I thought they wouldn't really try to upgrade that position, and they did not.

[DPG21920]

Then why bring Ayres tbh when you already have Bonner Baynes? Makes no sense..

[ElNono]

Then why bring Ayres tbh when you already have Bonner Baynes? Makes no sense..

something to do when bored during the regular season + burn minutes... he was the Blair replacement (just like Belli is the Neal replacement), and Blair basically rode the bench in the playoffs almost every time...

[Hoops Czar]

I thought he was fine. Your takes are generally shit but can you specific examples of what he did that says that. I thought his defense was quite good all things considered. His rotations were on time and effective but its hard to play help defense when perimeter players not named Green were offering any resistance.

He passed well out of the post and rebounded well. He did a credible job several times screening away shotblockers on drives to the hoop even if the frenchmen couldn't finish for shit. I saw a guy that actually competed with their bigs. That is what I saw. What did you see?

He looked like a D-league slob who was completely overmatched. I can't continue to stick up for a guy that doesn't show any improvement week to week. Between this game and the Nets game, he looked like trash. He did nothing of note in the first half unless you consider turnovers and fouls contributing to the just cause, doing something. Aron's only two scores came with the gae out of reach. It's also where he piled on the majority of his rebounds. Not sure what game you were watching, but he wasn't !ven an upgrade over the much maligned Jeff Ayres. Are you the last Spurstalk poster on his bandwagon, tbh?

[Hoops Czar]

something to do when bored during the regular season + burn minutes... he was the Blair replacement (just like Belli is the Neal replacement), and Blair basically rode the bench in the playoffs almost every time...

He replace Blair? I thought he was suppose to be a defensive stretch 4 that was suppose to replace Bonner in the rotation, eventually making him expendible.

[wildcardX]

POPS NEXT TNT INTERVIEW:

Craig Sager: "What could your team do to limit the opposing teams rebounding and second chance points?"
POP: "Play better"
Craig Sager: "After seeing Baynes and Ayres play, do you regret not signing someone like Andray Blatche or even keeping Dejuan Blair?"
POP: (pause)......."Don't make me kick your ass and ruin your cheap suit Sager. I'm the only smart ass in these interviews."

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He looked like a D-league slob who was completely overmatched. I can't continue to stick up for a guy that doesn't show any improvement week to week. Between this game and the Nets game, he looked like trash. He did nothing of note in the first half unless you consider turnovers and fouls contributing to the just cause, doing something. Aron's only two scores came with the gae out of reach. It's also where he piled on the majority of his rebounds. Not sure what game you were watching, but he wasn't !ven an upgrade over the much maligned Jeff Ayres. Are you the last Spurstalk poster on his bandwagon, tbh?

Yup a bunch of hyperbole and emotional claptrap. What little substance there was was grandstanding on scoring. If you could not tell the difference between Ayres rotations which each and every time had him hacking and putting people to the line versus Baynes who several times cut off penetration then I do not know what to tell you. I figured Carlessimo offering praise for Baynes rotations would not fall on deaf ears but apparently so.

We shot 50% in the first half. If you think the difference was offensive then you are a fool. As I said most of your takes are shit.

[DPG21920]

I thought he was fine. Your takes are generally shit but can you specific examples of what he did that says that. I thought his defense was quite good all things considered. His rotations were on time and effective but its hard to play help defense when perimeter players not named Green were offering any resistance.

He passed well out of the post and rebounded well. He did a credible job several times screening away shotblockers on drives to the hoop even if the frenchmen couldn't finish for shit. I saw a guy that actually competed with their bigs. That is what I saw. What did you see?

Damn, not only are your takes horrifically bad in every forum you post in, but you're not funny and very unpleasant. Make a poll to see if people like you. Like it or not, this is a community forum and being a contributing member is a plus. You bring very little insight or humor, so being an annoying douche isn't exactly a good thing.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Damn, not only are your takes horrifically bad in every forum you post in, but you're not funny and very unpleasant. Make a poll to see if people like you. Like it or not, this is a community forum and being a contributing member is a plus. You bring very little insight or humor, so being an annoying douche isn't exactly a good thing.

and you said I had a DPG thing. seems you were projecting.

If you haven't noticed I am selective in what opinions I value. For example, I don't put much stock in either of yours. Its got you butthurt and following me now but that doesn't call for a poll. The truth is the truth no matter how repugnant.

[DPG21920]

:lol tbh outside of today I didn't know you posted here.

Generic "following" post. I called you posting after me in that other thread (I haven't checked if you posted or not, or if you showed restraint..) so I have that on you. Plus you were asking about my height and what sports I play, it was kind of weird.

But you are a miserable douche with nothing positive to bring to the board. But luckily, DPG put you on blast so you'll have 15 minutes of fame. But step out of line again and watch what happens.

Final warning.

*I guarantee you will respond to this because you are too mentally weak to understand when you are being trolled. I won't respond again, like I said, I will probably forget your username and welcome you to the forum as a first time poster tomorrow.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I have an idea dpg. Instead of whining about how I am not nice and how people don't like me how about you quit being a coward and argue the points I make.

What did you think of Baynes defensive rotations? Were they poor? Do you disagree that the major issue for the team was defensively. Did you notice Ayres failure to get his hands up multiple times against drives?

I bet get more whines or another evacuation. How is one supposed to respect that?

[Chinook]

Baynes is too old to be like that. The Spurs have the oldest project bigs in the league.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol tbh outside of today I didn't know you posted here.

Generic "following" post. I called you posting after me in that other thread (I haven't checked if you posted or not, or if you showed restraint..) so I have that on you. Plus you were asking about my height and what sports I play, it was kind of weird.

But you are a miserable douche with nothing positive to bring to the board. But luckily, DPG put you on blast so you'll have 15 minutes of fame. But step out of line again and watch what happens.

Final warning.

*I guarantee you will respond to this because you are too mentally weak to understand when you are being trolled. I won't respond again, like I said, I will probably forget your username and welcome you to the forum as a first time poster tomorrow.

You must be real young. Like 18 or something. You keep coming back to this popularity bullshit. It doesn't register with me.

And of course you come with the SBMish after the fact trolling claim.

Little style and no style. You must be an apple fan.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Baynes is too old to be like that. The Spurs have the oldest project bigs in the league.

Yeah I fear that Baynes might not be intelligent enough to pick up what he needs to get major blow on the Spurs. He does look lost far too often.

[Hoops Czar]

Yup a bunch of hyperbole and emotional claptrap. What little substance there was was grandstanding on scoring. If you could not tell the difference between Ayres rotations which each and every time had him hacking and putting people to the line versus Baynes who several times cut off penetration then I do not know what to tell you. I figured Carlessimo offering praise for Baynes rotations would not fall on deaf ears but apparently so.

We shot 50% in the first half. If you think the difference was offensive then you are a fool. As I said most of your takes are shit.

Nah, when you have to dig that deep to find a intangible, there probably isn't one to be found. Whether it was offense or defense, Baynes wasn't part of the solution, he was part of the problem. You aren't alone. I admit, I was blinded by Bayne's high beams to start the season but the more and more I watch him play, the more he reminds me of streetball player who lacks the structure, focus and discipline to play system basketball. Ayres sucks, but now, there's a very plausible explanation why Pop keeps running the floor with him instead of Baynes. With all the injuries, there is no true back up to Ayres right now and Baynes is walking proof of that.

[objective]

His game last night was up and down, but mostly down. The good, he was able to set good screens and clear the way for others. And the pass to De Colo was nice.

The bad was very worrying though. His stamina has always been bad, but it was downright terrible against Detroit. It isn't getting better, it's getting worse. He was completely spent by the 8:00 mark of the first quarter. Now, because of his infrequent minutes, I'd understand the stamina issue hurting in the second half of a game, like if he was closing in on 20 minutes.

But being too exhausted to get a hand up, or rotate, or run the floor, after four measly minutes? That's ridiculous. He was empty.

It was excusable last year. But he's had a whole summer. He had a training camp. He had opportunities with the Toros. He shouldn't be this exhausted. His blown gasket is making him play poorly, to a degree that I don't think it was before.

Very disappointing.

[Sean Cagney]

Free Baynes? FOR WHAT? He is very limited in his damn game, fuck Baynes...... That is more like it.

[jimbo]

I missed tonight's game, but there is no way in hell that Baynes is worse than Ayres. His conditioning would be a reasonable explanation though for why he's glued to the bench...

[BatManu20]

The whole Baynes is greater than, less than, or equal to Ayers argument is futile. Both are not NBA caliber big men and should never be relied upon to play minutes except during blow outs. Unfortunately, we haven't been able to add another quality big, so we're stuck with them. Get used to it.

[jeebus]

You want to say that again?


Bottom line:

Without Baynes getting regular minutes - struggle against top teams

if Baynes was getting regular minutes - Spurs easily have 45+ games won already, easily beating top NBA teams

[exstatic]

:lol Baynes fucking SUCKS! He's a fucking statue on defense. FL, Ayres may or may not be able to "move his hips", but Baynes can't move ANY part of that lumbering body even remotely in the way of a guard on his way to the hoop. He also can't throw even ONE fake before tossing up a sacrificial offering to be swatted back by the likes of Kyle Singler. :lol

[cd021]

I missed tonight's game, but there is no way in hell that Baynes is worse than Ayres. His conditioning would be a reasonable explanation though for why he's glued to the bench...

Pop apparently disagrees. Ayers got 3 fouls in the 1st half. He then started Ayers in the 2nd half over Baynes. Its starting to become obvious, at least to me, Pop has almost no faith that Baynes can be anything more than extra body this season. He does have some talent but Ayers and him basically do the same things with both having a glaring flaw (Ayers-Turnovers, Baynes-Fouling)

[HI-FI]

Free Baynes? FOR WHAT? He is very limited in his damn game, fuck Baynes...... That is more like it.
:rollin