2014-2015 Oakland Raiders Thread

[spurraider21]

Well everybody's doing it, so might as well get a head start here :lol

Notable free agents include: LT Jared Veldheer, DE Lamarr Houston, CB Tracy Porter and Mike Jenkins, RB Darren McFadden and Rashad Jennings, S Charles Woodson, and DT Vance Walker.

-To me, Veldheer is the one must-resign guy if I had to choose one from the list. He's coming off a year where he was on the short IR since camp and didn't finish strong. Hopefully that allows us to not spend the farm.

-Houston is another key resign candidate, but I have a feeling he's going to be grossly overpaid on the market. Last year our reserve DT, Desmond Bryant, got a 5 year 34 million dollar deal with Cleveland, and Houston is a superior player. I don't want him to be sniffing franchise tag money, as he's not exactly a sack artist at DE, but he's more of a motor guy who does well against the run. He can force pressures, but he doesn't pile on sacks, which is what I'd want if I'm paying my DE an obscene amount of money

-From the corners, I actually thought Mike Jenkins played better more consistently, but rumblings are the brass would prefer to keep Porter. They will likely only keep one and hope that Heart Surgery Hayden can emerge as a starter, considering he missed all of camp/preseason in his rookie campaign.

-:lol McFadden. adios motherfucker. I wouldn't mind bringing back Jennings at a reasonable deal, but I wouldn't bend over backwards for him. He's a good soldier who runs hard and can catch, but he's not an exceptional talent.

-I doubt they bring back Charles Woodson at anything more than a minimum. His only value comes in his knowledge/leadership. He physically isn't there anymore, though his instinct allowed him to make some big plays last year. He's a great mentor so I wouldn't mind him back. Having SS Tyvon Branch back from injury could theoretically make him look better too.

-Vance Walker was solid last year. Both he and Pat Sims formed a pretty formidable front wall as our DT's. While solid against the run, neither could really passrush up the middle, which is the opposite of what Raiders fans had been accustomed to. Tommy Kelly and Seymour were awesome interior pass rushers, but neither could stop the run, especially Seymour in his later years. I wouldn't mind bringing back the Sims-Walker duo, but like I alluded to earlier, this team sorely needs a pass rushing end. A line of Houston-Sims-Walker-(new passrusher) should be the goal.

-Fortunately, the Raiders are already about 60 mil below the cap, and after a few cuts are projected to have over 65-66 million which would give them more cap room than any team in NFL history. They should be able to resign the guys they want, but it would be foolish to overpay them just because we have money. This roster has too many holes.

-In free agency, I expect the Raiders to take a look at the WR class, where the big names are Decker, Nicks, and Maclin. Not sure if any of these guys can be a true #1, which is really what the Raiders need. We have 2-3 guys that look like good #2' guys, and we don't need another. I hope they dont splurge on Decker who is a true #2, and I've been hearing him being linked to Oakland, though hopefully its just speculation.

-The interior of our offensive line has been absolute shit. Both of our starting guards are reserve caliber, and our reserves (who got most of the starts last year) are NCAA caliber. Tackles are fine, and Wisniewski plays well enough at center, but I hope we spend and pick up Alex Mack and slide Wiz back over to left guard where he had a stellar rookie campaign. Finding a free agent RG shouldn't be terribly difficult.

-The other big need is the obvious: the QB situation. This one is a serious pain because there really isn't much to like about this draft, which is reminiscent of the Cam Newton draft minus Cam Newton, with guys like Ponder, Locker, etc. Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr are all underwhelming, and JFF is a ridiculous risk given his size and style. It has been reported and shown on this forum that the Raiders are looking into Schaub, and Vick has been linked here as well. I know they're both laughable, butI actually think going with a veteran stopgap is best, rather than investing the #5 overall pick on a scrub QB who the brass doesn't even believe in, and proceed to invest 2-3 years into him. With the draft pick, I'm hoping to address either the DE or WR spot.

Reggie McKenzie is on the hot seat. Though he hasn't had much to work with as far as cap room and draft picks, he's done pretty terribly with what he's had. He has all the draft picks and all the cap room in the world. Do something.

[The Gemini Method]

Whatchu think about possibly sharing Levi Stadium with the Neeners?

[lefty]

Whatchu think about possibly sharing Levi Stadium with the Neeners?
much better destination than Oak Athletics stadium

[spurraider21]

The Raiders should take whatever they could get, as their current stadium is probably the worst in the NFL (the building itself is fine, but that baseball shit is terrible), and I doubt Oakland is going to finance a new stadium :lol

Personally I want them to come back to LA

[The Gemini Method]

2 of the worst stadiums are in the AFC west...and I think we go to both of them.

[Mugen]

Qualcomm is a giant shitthole IMO, can't imagine a stadium being worse but have never made it to Oakland tbh.

Hope DMac sprains his ankle on the way out the door tbh.

[spurraider21]

Yeah Qualcomm is just awful, but at least there's no infield :lol

last year during a field goal attempt the announcer said something like "and janikowski will attempt this kick from 1st base"

[Clipper Nation]

Yeah Qualcomm is just awful, but at least there's no infield :lol
There used to be :lol

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/385540/3234533801_39b4748922.jpg

Plus the Q also has this:

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Too bad the Spanoses are shitty owners who alienated all the fans, otherwise the Chargers would already have a shiny new stadium by now....

[Mugen]

I'd love a move back to SoCal tbh. LA's already overcrowded and a return of the Raiders means a thinning out of the illegal population tbh :lol

[spurraider21]

:lmao

[The Gemini Method]

Bruh, there is never such a thing...illegals never thin out.

[spurraider21]

The Eagles and Jason Peters agreed to a 4 year, 40 million dollar extension. Hopefully this means we can resign Veldheer to something like 7 mil a year

[Raven]

The Eagles and Jason Peters agreed to a 4 year, 40 million dollar extension. Hopefully this means we can resign Veldheer to something like 7 mil a year

i highly doubt that, Peters is old, Veld isn't.

[spurraider21]

i highly doubt that, Peters is old, Veld isn't.
Veldheer is also coming off a down season where he tore a triceps in camp, and Peters just made a pro bowl

[spurraider21]

:lol raiders resign shitty Khalif Barnes to a 1 year deal. we have all the cap space in the world, and we are resigning a shitty guard. hopefully he's just being kept as a utility backup (since he used to be a tackle in his heyday)

[Clipper Nation]

Raiders are gonna fuck up with all that cap space :lmao

[spurraider21]

Al Davis was an awful Gm for his last 8-9 years. Hue Jackson was gm for like a month and he traded a first and second for Palmer. Now Mckenzie is competing to take the throne

[spurraider21]

Gil Brandt said on NFL radio that the raiders are looking to move up to #2. A few day ago there was a report that Mckenzie is enamored with Derek Carr. I don't think we'd have to trade up to get him. Maybe they're gunning for clowney and are prepared to let Houston walk in free agency

[Holden_Caulfield]

Gil Brandt said on NFL radio that the raiders are looking to move up to #2. A few day ago there was a report that Mckenzie is enamored with Derek Carr. I don't think we'd have to trade up to get him. Maybe they're gunning for clowney and are prepared to let Houston walk in free agency
Trade with us :lol, and we get Carr with #5 and your 2nd

[spurraider21]

I don't see it happening, though with the raiders also looking at stopgap qb's like Vick it might mean they aren't looking to go qb... I don't think a talent devoid roster should be trading up though

[Raven]

as i predicted Carr is getting a lot of love, he should get more as the process goes on

[spurraider21]

I like Carr. I just hate that he pretty much played exclusively out of the shotgun in a spread offense. His passing ability is awesome though. His touch throws remind me of Palmer at USC

[Raven]

I like Carr. I just hate that he pretty much played exclusively out of the shotgun in a spread offense. His passing ability is awesome though. His touch throws remind me of Palmer at USC

it obviously is a big issue, along with his lean frame i completely understand those who say he is unproven or he only played in gimmick offenses, but honestly every year the college game is less indicative for qbs, so one evaluator is probably better off taking the better strength - size package. In the end, i wouldn't draft a qb in the first round if he is unproven in pro style offenses and or has other issues, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't be the first qb i'd draft. Like last year, i have a feeling someone will not be patient and will overdraft a qb. That's how shitty teams remain shitty tbh.

[MeloHype]

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[Lincoln]

So many skins fans want/wanted Lamar Houston to replace orakpo or play de here for us. Orakpo played football at Lamar HS in Houston and their mascot is the redskins...strange coincedence tbh

[spurraider21]

Glad it looks like we're locking up Veldheer. Similar contract to Jason peters. Houston is a really good player but it sounds like he's going to get overpaid in the open market

[spurraider21]

we've got the incredible hulk locked up for 5 years. i like it


http://minustwentytwo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/jared-veldheer-raiders.jpg

[spurraider21]

well so much for the Veldheer thing... i'm hearing it was a bogus report

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[spurraider21]

it would be such a disaster if Veldheer walks... we have no excuse to not resign him

[spurraider21]

Reggie McKenzie on the eve of Free Agency... with all that cap room :lol

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[MeloHype]

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[MeloHype]

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[spurraider21]

:lmao this is pathetic as fuck

[Raven]

i can't believe this :lmao

[spurraider21]

Houston and Veldheer got 7 mil apiece (per year). How did we not resign them??

:bang
:lmao

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao Raiders
:lmao Bottomfeeders for life

[MeloHype]

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[spurraider21]

What in the literal fuck

:lmao I'm gna melt down

[spurraider21]

The Eagles and Jason Peters agreed to a 4 year, 40 million dollar extension. Hopefully this means we can resign Veldheer to something like 7 mil a year
Veldheer got exactly 7 mil per year

:depressed

[HI-FI]

Reggie McKenzie on the eve of Free Agency... with all that cap room :lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BibMUD9CYAAMQod.jpg:large
probably not what the Knoll Brothers intended when they invented Photoshop.

[spurraider21]

Apparently the raiders offered more but Veldheer left money on the table to play elsewhere... If only we put up some banners

Also, the raiders are talking to Bj Raji and Henry Melton. If be satisfied with either

[The Gemini Method]

Don't yall have more banners than the Cards? I guess Veldheer wanted to reunite with CP.

[Spur-Addict]

You just get the feeling it'll have to be completely organic for the Raiders. A lot like what happened for us. A dynamic group will have to take the helm and change everything it seems.

[The Gemini Method]

You just get the feeling it'll have to be completely organic for the Raiders. A lot like what happened for us. A dynamic group will have to take the helm and change everything it seems.

Gotta find that GM that is willing to take risks and gamble while finding that coach that can build something that is counter to what has been done so traditionally. They got the rabid fanbase and history...I think a new stadium is needed though.

[spurraider21]

Move to LA pls.

Also, keep an eye out for a Justin Tuck signing

[MeloHype]

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[Lincoln]

:lmao

[Chinook]

Michael Oher's still available and can probably be had for cheap. He's probably as good of an LT as Saffold depending on scheme.

[spurraider21]

first of all... :lmao

second of all... good. it was a shit contract. reggie got bailed out. fucking moron is still going to suffer because they actually let Veldheer walk. in my OP of the thread, i said Veldheer is/should be the #1 priority of the offseason

[spurraider21]

is jake matthews any good, tbh?

[Raven]

Michael Oher's still available and can probably be had for cheap. He's probably as good of an LT as Saffold depending on scheme.

Oher-Giacomini would be a decent pairing imho, especially from a run blocking perspective..

[Raven]

oh and :lmao

[spurraider21]

a) Giacomini sucks, especially when it comes to run blocking
b) Giacomini is signed elsewhere, and we already picked up a good right tackle in Austin Howard
c) they will either go for Oher, draft Matthews, or stick with last season's 2nd round pick Menelik Watson, who was injured all season

[Raven]

wow didn't know the jets signed him..

[DJ Mbenga]

hopefully the raiders draft manziel. cause they have no offensive line whatsoever, he is gonna get raped.

[spurraider21]

Move to LA pls.

Also, keep an eye out for a Justin Tuck signing
:hat

[Raven]

hopefully the raiders draft manziel. cause they have no offensive line whatsoever, he is gonna get raped.

i would love that tbh :lol

[spurraider21]

:cry lamar woodley and justin tuck totally make up for losing veldheer and houston

[Chinook]

I don't understand why Oakland is going after UFAs (not released players). They had two players signed away on big deals. They essentially traded two fourths (and probably at least two sevenths) just to bring in some washed up vets.

[spurraider21]

I don't understand why Oakland is going after UDFAs. They had two players signed away on big deals. They essentially traded two fourths (and probably at least two sevenths) just to bring in some washed up vets.
?

What UDFA's have the raiders gone after?

[Chinook]

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What UDFA's have the raiders gone after?

Sorry. UFAs. Like not released players. Will edit.

[spurraider21]

Sorry. UFAs. Like not released players. Will edit.
its going to be a struggle just to get to the salary floor at this point. we still have well over 50 million in cap room. they are in prime position to steal away a guy like Mack by giving him a massively frontloaded contract

[Chinook]

its going to be a struggle just to get to the salary floor at this point. we still have well over 50 million in cap room. they are in prime position to steal away a guy like Mack by giving him a massively frontloaded contract

They let most of the big-money players go. If thet weren't willing to keep their own players, they should have given out some bigger contracts by now. Trading decent picks for Tuck and Smith isn't the way to go.

[spurraider21]

yeah, i agree, its been puzzling. as i said in the OP of this thread, keeping veldheer should have been the #1 priority, and they should have kept houston given the reasonable number he signed for. its been a real headscratcher

[MeloHype]

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[spurraider21]

he sucked :lol

[MeloHype]

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[spurraider21]

yeah i just saw this too. not bad.

3 year deal

[MeloHype]

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[spurraider21]

apparently Boothe had a rough year, but he's been a plus run blocker for most of his career. he should slide in at RG

Charles Woodson is also being resigned

[MeloHype]

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[spurraider21]

Good. After botching the Veldheer situation and the retarded Saffold thing a least we have a starting caliber left tackle. Just one less need to draft

[spurraider21]

While I certainly would have liked to lock up Veldheer (he is younger, and better in pass protection), Penn is a capable starter, and a better run blocker. Along with the signings of Austin Howard and Kevin Boothe (two other plus run blockers), the raiders are showing they are going to be a power running team this season.

Justin Tuck, Lamarr Woodley, Antonio Smith, James Jones, and Tarell Brown are also FA signings that will all be starters. didn't really make any splash moves, but anytime you can sign 8 starters in free agency means you probably did something right.

[Clipper Nation]

Penn bailed the Raiders out much like RayRay bailed Wade out in 6 :downspin:

[spurraider21]

ur deflecting shit all the way to another forum, i see :lol

[Lincoln]

Fuck you

[spurraider21]

Fuck you
we needed a left tackle... penn at right tackle is a luxury :lol

you fuckers have trent

[Phillip]

none of this matters until they can get a freaking quarterback.

hopefully Pryor can somehow keep improving, but im not confident he will improve enough

[spurraider21]

none of this matters until they can get a freaking quarterback.

hopefully Pryor can somehow keep improving, but im not confident he will improve enough
:lol i doubt they're going to ride out pryor. they're looking to pick up a stopgap this year (schaub is their top option) and might draft one depending on who falls where

[Phillip]

schaub would be nice for the time being, would allow whomever they draft to have time to learn and grow, while occasionally getting some snaps on the games schaub is sucking

[Holden_Caulfield]

:lol i doubt they're going to ride out pryor. they're looking to pick up a stopgap this year (schaub is their top option) and might draft one depending on who falls where
pryor needs to switch position, tbh.

[spurraider21]

Penn's signing was for 2 years, 9.6 million, with 4.2 mil guaranteed. basically a 1 year deal with a team option for year 2

[spurraider21]

Charles Woodson re-ups for one more year :tu

[The Gemini Method]

da Raiduhhhsss turned what was a terrible start to FA into a decent one...

[spurraider21]

da Raiduhhhsss turned what was a terrible start to FA into a decent one...
read a sit down interview w/ McKenzie. he basically went on and on about how u dont build through FA. build through the draft, fill gaps with FA. picking up vets to fill in as starters for 2-3 years while we draft their replacements over that time. it makes sense, but its frustrating to endure, especially since he hasn't been a particularly great drafter

[spurraider21]

Incognito says he would 100% like to be a Raider :lol

[The Gemini Method]

read a sit down interview w/ McKenzie. he basically went on and on about how u dont build through FA. build through the draft, fill gaps with FA. picking up vets to fill in as starters for 2-3 years while we draft their replacements over that time. it makes sense, but its frustrating to endure, especially since he hasn't been a particularly great drafter

True. It's been that way in Seattle ever since PC came aboard. It is really what others have been emulating as well. I know that is what he learned up in Green Bay. Hopefully they'll get some turnaround this year so that they can stick around and build some more. It seems that there is little patience and that is costing teams the chance to build something positive. A good Raiders team is beneficial for us California people--that gets the rivalries stoked and you have the 49ers and Raiders fans woofing.

[spurraider21]

True. It's been that way in Seattle ever since PC came aboard. It is really what others have been emulating as well. I know that is what he learned up in Green Bay. Hopefully they'll get some turnaround this year so that they can stick around and build some more. It seems that there is little patience and that is costing teams the chance to build something positive. A good Raiders team is beneficial for us California people--that gets the rivalries stoked and you have the 49ers and Raiders fans woofing.
if we had the same offseason but kept Veldheer, i would have had a much more positive tone though.

[spurraider21]

Raiders getting in on DeSean Jackson talks... looking like they want to fill the WR void here instead of drafting Watkins. Derek Carr is looking more surefire than ever

[spurraider21]

While I've been asking for schaub, I just hope the Fo is on the same page as me. Stopgap

[spurraider21]

-To me, Veldheer is the one must-resign guy if I had to choose one from the list. He's coming off a year where he was on the short IR since camp and didn't finish strong. Hopefully that allows us to not spend the farm.

-:lol McFadden. adios motherfucker. I wouldn't mind bringing back Jennings at a reasonable deal, but I wouldn't bend over backwards for him. He's a good soldier who runs hard and can catch, but he's not an exceptional talent.

-I doubt they bring back Charles Woodson at anything more than a minimum. His only value comes in his knowledge/leadership. He physically isn't there anymore, though his instinct allowed him to make some big plays last year. He's a great mentor so I wouldn't mind him back. Having SS Tyvon Branch back from injury could theoretically make him look better too.

-In free agency, I expect the Raiders to take a look at the WR class, where the big names are Decker, Nicks, and Maclin. Not sure if any of these guys can be a true #1, which is really what the Raiders need. We have 2-3 guys that look like good #2' guys, and we don't need another. I hope they dont splurge on Decker who is a true #2, and I've been hearing him being linked to Oakland, though hopefully its just speculation.

-The interior of our offensive line has been absolute shit. Both of our starting guards are reserve caliber, and our reserves (who got most of the starts last year) are NCAA caliber. Tackles are fine, and Wisniewski plays well enough at center, but I hope we spend and pick up Alex Mack and slide Wiz back over to left guard where he had a stellar rookie campaign. Finding a free agent RG shouldn't be terribly difficult.

-The other big need is the obvious: the QB situation. This one is a serious pain because there really isn't much to like about this draft, which is reminiscent of the Cam Newton draft minus Cam Newton, with guys like Ponder, Locker, etc. Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr are all underwhelming, and JFF is a ridiculous risk given his size and style. It has been reported and shown on this forum that the Raiders are looking into Schaub, and Vick has been linked here as well. I know they're both laughable, butI actually think going with a veteran stopgap is best, rather than investing the #5 overall pick on a scrub QB who the brass doesn't even believe in, and proceed to invest 2-3 years into him. With the draft pick, I'm hoping to address either the DE or WR spot.

some highlights from the OP...

a) lol veldheer situation...

b) lol mcfadden

c) good to see my nig C-wood back

d) didn't overspend on a WR2, james jones came in cheap. i wouldn't be surprised if we take a WR in the first 2 days of the draft

e) Kevin Boothe should slide in to start at left guard.

f) called schaub a while back, though i hope they aren't serious about having him a starter for "a few years." i dont mind him as a 1 year stopgap if they are planning to draft a qb this year, and have a raw guy like Carr develop. if not, a 1st round qb next season becomes a necessity unless schaub plays his ass off, which i don't anticipate

[spurraider21]

the announcement of the schaub restructure means the raiders are trying to clear further cap room for this offseason, meaning they aren't done. jared allen/desean jackson are theoretically in play

[MeloHype]

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[spurraider21]

Sad. I liked him. Guy had been a good soldier but was informed he's not gna start.

Also :lol at rotoworld shitting bricks because the raiders didn't try to rebuild through free agency a la dolphins in 2012

[spurraider21]

The Raiders will be signing Maurice Jones Drew.. barring a failed physical or a surprise offer from another team in the next day. Will be a 2 year contract which will essentially be a 1 year deal. Solid move.

[Holden_Caulfield]

The Raiders will be signing Maurice Jones Drew.. barring a failed physical or a surprise offer from another team in the next day. Will be a 2 year contract which will essentially be a 1 year deal. Solid move.

why mjd why :cry

[Mugen]

solid offseason so far after a bad start. Starting to look like a team with a 7-9 ceiling which i'm okay with tbh.

[Wiz]

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Is he even good?

[spurraider21]

Part time role with McFadden sounds good

[spurraider21]

Raiders resign NT Pat Sims for 1 year. awesome. this move was an obvious one, he was one of the bright spots on our D this year, and its a resign i asked for in the OP of the thread

[spurraider21]

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[spurraider21]

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:lmao he's mad he could lose a roster spot if this happens

[spurraider21]

Raiders signed Carlos Rogers. solid way to cap the offseason... DJax getting cut was unexpected, so that would obviously be great too, but i'd be content at this point anyway.

[spurraider21]

Mettenberger has really been growing on me as a potential 2nd round target. Watching him play reminds me of Flacco. probably helps that he's white, 6'5, strong armed, has below average mobility, and played in a Cam Cameron offense :lol

[spurraider21]

MACK

[benefactor]

:tu

[Killakobe81]

Great pick.

[spurraider21]

I was ecstatic. Was an easy pick but I've seen the raiders fuck those up too

[Clipper Nation]

Can't wait to see how the Raiders turn Mack into a bust :lol

[spurraider21]

Can't wait to see how the Raiders turn Mack into a bust :lol
he's gna end phillbilly and fivehead's careers

[Clipper Nation]

he's gna end phillbilly and fivehead's careers
Philbilly's going to make the Raiders his bitch as usual and Verrett is going to pick off all of Carr's passes, tbh :lol

[spurraider21]

Holden_Caulfield get your ass in here it's party time

[Holden_Caulfield]

cant wait for mr pick 6 to get benched :lmao

[Holden_Caulfield]

you guys should also draft davante adams :wow

[spurraider21]

you guys should also draft davante adams :wow
Yeah were still in the market for a receiver. Bringing Adams along would be a good present for my nigga carr

[spurraider21]

:lol posters on a raider forum I frequent are upset about the Carr pick because they saw McGloin as the future

[FkLA]

You mustve came when they picked Carr tbh.

[spurraider21]

You mustve came when they picked Carr tbh.
It was good to see them make solid moves without reaching for players. Just not fucking up the draft is a massive improvement. I mean anybody can be a bust, but it's all about taking the right risks at the right time. In previous years we would have jumped and taken Carr at #5 tbh

i just love the fit because we can redshirt him which he probably needs

[spurraider21]

very satisfied with what we targeted in the draft. can't really say i know much about the late round picks outside of what i've read today, but i'm happy with the type of guys they targeted. 2 corners, a safety, and a nose tackle from rounds 4-7. 6 of our 8 picks ended up being defensive players. :tu

[Holden_Caulfield]

man i want a raiders carr jersey :toast

[spurraider21]

you can't really judge an offseason until players get on there, but its pretty great to think that despite all the signings we made this summer, we are still projected to once again have the most spending money in the NFL next offseason... our only really notable unrestricted free agents are going to be Stefen Wisniewski and Denarius Moore. McKenzie's approach is showing good signs

http://overthecap.com/nfl-cap-space2.php?Year=2015 (http://overthecap.com/nfl-cap-space2.php?Year=2015)

[spurraider21]

Raiders sign Khalil Mack, per Schefter. Gitterdone

[spurraider21]

Claimed Greg Little off waivers... talented with shitty hands, but hes making 6 figures so I can't complain

[spurraider21]

Derek Carr officially signs...

btw, Holden_Caulfield, interesting tidbit about Carr. there are a few good insiders at a raiders message board i go to (their posters are awful but the insiders are legit), and apparently the raiders are being extra cautious with Schaub. More so than a physical decline, its clear Schaub lost his confidence, and they're literally scared that the drafting of Carr is hurting Schaub's psyche, so they're holding out on selling Carr jerseys until later :rollin

[The Gemini Method]

Poor Schaubie.

[Clipper Nation]

Derek Carr officially signs...

btw, Holden_Caulfield (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=23326), interesting tidbit about Carr. there are a few good insiders at a raiders message board i go to (their posters are awful but the insiders are legit), and apparently the raiders are being extra cautious with Schaub. More so than a physical decline, its clear Schaub lost his confidence, and they're literally scared that the drafting of Carr is hurting Schaub's psyche, so they're holding out on selling Carr jerseys until later :rollin

Raiders :lol

[Holden_Caulfield]

Derek Carr officially signs...

btw, Holden_Caulfield (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=23326), interesting tidbit about Carr. there are a few good insiders at a raiders message board i go to (their posters are awful but the insiders are legit), and apparently the raiders are being extra cautious with Schaub. More so than a physical decline, its clear Schaub lost his confidence, and they're literally scared that the drafting of Carr is hurting Schaub's psyche, so they're holding out on selling Carr jerseys until later :rollin
:lmao

i want me a Carr jersey wtf oakland :lol

I wouldnt be surprised if Carr outplays Schaub during camp and preseason, in fact, he should and will.

[Holden_Caulfield]

which raiders message board is it, i want to join :lol

[spurraider21]

which raiders message board is it, i want to join :lol
raiderfans.net

the insider info is on the "premium forum" which you have to pay for (its a new thing they instituted this past year). i sent an email whining about it and they gave me a free year subscription rofl

[Avante]

If the Raiders would just stop making those change of possesion mistakes they'd be a decent team. So many stupid penalties at the worst times has been their trade mark for years. You know they are going to blow it and they do.

[spurraider21]

hopefully the last couple of years of bringing in veterans like charles woodson, nick roach, lamarr woodley, and justin tuck will help alleviate that dumb issue on defense. its also good to be getting Tyvon Branch back this year, he'd been our only pro-bowl caliber player the past couple of years since we lost nnamdi

[Holden_Caulfield]

had the texans chosen bortles, Carr wouldve been a jag :cry :cry :cry

we wouldve had a mike evans + carr+ marqise lee draft :cry :cry :cry


:bang fucking texans ruin everything

[spurraider21]

There's a good chance neither takes a significant snap this season. At least our first round pick will be an every down player :lol

You guys taking Bortles made our first two rounds possible

[spurraider21]

had the texans chosen bortles, Carr wouldve been a jag :cry :cry :cry

we wouldve had a mike evans + carr+ marqise lee draft :cry :cry :cry


:bang fucking texans ruin everything
here's the bit i was talking about earlier

Scoop on Matt Schaub...
I was at the Draft last week in New York and ended up talking with several team reps during down time. One of those reps were from the Houston Texans, so of course I had to ask him about Matt Schaub. I asked him point blank what happened to Schaub last year. How do you go from a Pro bowl QB to being benched in favor of an unknown commodity? He painted a rather bleak picture. He said that the team lost confidence in Schaub. He moped around headquarters and appeared to have mentally checked out. His confidence was at an all-time low and was never able to recover from his dismal start. The players never regained faith which ultimately made him expendable.

Which leads me to what I've been hearing. I spoke with several Raiders sources that have been saying that Schaub doesn't exude confidence at any level. He walks around the facility and doesn't seem like an NFL quarterback and a leader of a team. I can't help but think of Tyler Wilson our 4th round pick from 2013. He too was broken down and destroyed mentally in camp last year. It was so bad for Tyler that the Raiders released him. In an effort to ease some of the popularity that Carr has been receiving and to help keep the pressure off Schaub, the Raiders are delaying the release of Carr jerseys.

I only hope Schaub can regain his 2012 form and lead the team. Or at least until Carr is ready!

[spurraider21]

Schaub threw a pick 6 to justin tuck near the end of our first practice. :lol hope I was wrong about Carr needing a redshirt year

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Carr holding a clipboard for that mental midget Schaub for the rest of his career

[Holden_Caulfield]

Schaub threw a pick 6 to justin tuck near the end of our first practice. :lol hope I was wrong about Carr needing a redshirt year
i was gonna put this as one of the locks of 2014 :lol

carr has a chance to start by bye week if schaubs problem persists

[spurraider21]

i was gonna put this as one of the locks of 2014 :lol

carr has a chance to start by bye week if schaubs problem persists
its day 1 of OTA's, but its just an ominous sign. crazy how quickly the fucker fell off a cliff. 5 straight years of 90 QBR (no raiders qb has had a single season of 90 qbr since rich gannon) and the in one season lost any mojo he ever had

[djohn2oo8]

its day 1 of OTA's, but its just an ominous sign. crazy how quickly the fucker fell off a cliff. 5 straight years of 90 QBR (no raiders qb has had a single season of 90 qbr since rich gannon) and the in one season lost any mojo he ever had
He did lose mojo, but he was never the same after he suffered that Lisfranc injury in 11 when Albert Haynesworth hit him low. It's pretty much a degenerative injury, as his mobility ( what little he had) went out the window, and he doesn't plant firmly on that foot anymore. Which led to all those pick 6's, as looking at the gif

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rYLOtDmZM8E/UjYQiDie4rI/AAAAAAAAAtY/EgMabhguI0A/s1600/MAT1111.gif

He doesn't step into the throw. There's a reason for that and the Raiders will find out soon enough.

[djohn2oo8]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/10/07/SchaubPickedOff.gif

Again, doesn't step into throw.

[spurraider21]

McFadden had the linsfranc a couple of years back and so did MJD... We need a podiatrist on staff tbh

[djohn2oo8]

Oakland Raiders QB Matt Schaub is excited to have more control of the offense in Oakland. "To come to an offense where the coach is looking to give you more freedom, and looking to give you more control of things," Schaub said. "I had that in some aspects in Houston, but there are things I'm being asked to do here that I didn't have control of in Houston. I would have loved to, but we just weren't in control of it. To now be in that position, and being the quarterback, that's such a great place to be because you can get everyone on the same page."


:lmao

[spurraider21]

Oakland Raiders QB Matt Schaub is excited to have more control of the offense in Oakland. "To come to an offense where the coach is looking to give you more freedom, and looking to give you more control of things," Schaub said. "I had that in some aspects in Houston, but there are things I'm being asked to do here that I didn't have control of in Houston. I would have loved to, but we just weren't in control of it. To now be in that position, and being the quarterback, that's such a great place to be because you can get everyone on the same page."


:lmao
which part is funny?

[IrisHockey]

how about quoting me only after the series is over and I don't get to reply? :lmao:lmao.. and as expected, you regularly jot down my posts in that little agenda you carry in your pocket. DD (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=12607) knows what that's like

[spurraider21]

how about quoting me only after the series is over and I don't get to reply? :lmao:lmao.. and as expected, you regularly jot down my posts in that little agenda you carry in your pocket. DD (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=12607) knows what that's like
my bad man, i even apologized there. at least i know you would have shown up were it not for your ELE... DD is just a coward about it and plays it off like he's trying to troll

[IrisHockey]

And PS: I gave Ginobili his fuckin' due: http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234194, in case you're searching for all of my Ginobili-related posts this series.

[spurraider21]

And PS: I gave Ginobili his fuckin' due: http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234194, in case you're searching for all of my Ginobili-related posts this series.
nice. there were new threads popping up every 3-4 seconds last night so i musta missed it. i'll add it to my log :tu

[Clipper Nation]

how about quoting me only after the series is over and I don't get to reply? :lmao:lmao.. and as expected, you regularly jot down my posts in that little agenda you carry in your pocket. DD (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=12607) knows what that's like
Damn, Philo getting regulated :wow

[spurraider21]

Jermichael Finley met with a "mystery team" on Friday... the Raiders are still lacking a trustworthy starting TE, have 9 mil in cap room left, and GM Reggie McKenzie has GB ties. interesting speculation going on

[Clipper Nation]

Jermichael Finley met with a "mystery team" on Friday... the Raiders are still lacking a trustworthy starting TE, have 9 mil in cap room left, and GM Reggie McKenzie has GB ties. interesting speculation going on
Jermichael "Butterfingers" Finley sucks and is way overrated.... hope the Raiders waste money on him :tu

[spurraider21]

Jermichael "Butterfingers" Finley sucks and is way overrated.... hope the Raiders waste money on him :tu
glad you're stepping your nickname game up :lol. was certain you'd go with Jermichael "overrated" Finley. i'm not sure how i feel about him, but he's better than the other tight ends on our roster. the only sleeper guy we have is David Ausberry but he's been perennial preseason/camp hype only to be hurt/non-factor every season

[Raven]

Jermichael "Butterfingers" Finley sucks and is way overrated.... hope the Raiders waste money on him :tu
Agree completely, always hated him

[spurraider21]

http://blog.sfgate.com/raiders/2014/06/12/carr-even-better-than-raiders-thought-may-push-schaub-for-starting-job/

tl;dr: basically Carr looking better than they thought, more accurate than they thought. he's learning the offense at a rate faster than expected. they no longer believes he needs a redshirt season. they aren't ruling him starting out, saying they'll let him compete, but he still has to catch up to Schaub.

Of course, Carr is a guy thats supposed to look good in non-contact practice. The real questions will be answered when facing a live rush in camp and preseason

[Holden_Caulfield]

http://blog.sfgate.com/raiders/2014/06/12/carr-even-better-than-raiders-thought-may-push-schaub-for-starting-job/

tl;dr: basically Carr looking better than they thought, more accurate than they thought. he's learning the offense at a rate faster than expected. they no longer believes he needs a redshirt season. they aren't ruling him starting out, saying they'll let him compete, but he still has to catch up to Schaub.

Of course, Carr is a guy thats supposed to look good in non-contact practice. The real questions will be answered when facing a live rush in camp and preseason

cant wait to see him in preseason. is his jersey on sale yet?

[spurraider21]

cant wait to see him in preseason. is his jersey on sale yet?
nope :lol...

http://www.nflshop.com/Oakland_Raiders_Jerseys/pg/2/ps/96/so/no_sort

on the bottom of the page there's a link to get Derek Carr's jersey and it says page not found :lmao

at the very bottom, where there's the text, below the jersey pics

[Avante]

According to Lindy's 2014 NFL Preview the Raiders and Titans are the two worst teams in the league. According to a scoring system ranking all the positions.

Seahawks number 1 with a 73.5
Titans and Raiders numbers 31-32 with a woeful 61.5

I do believe the Raiders will be better than that but playing in the AFC West...ouch!

[spurraider21]

According to Lindy's 2014 NFL Preview the Raiders and Titans are the two worst teams in the league. According to a scoring system ranking all the positions.

Seahawks number 1 with a 73.5
Titans and Raiders numbers 31-32 with a woeful 61.5

I do believe the Raiders will be better than that but playing in the AFC West...ouch!
the raiders had one of the worst offensive lines in recent memory, and terrelle pryor started a majority of our games :lol... i think its safe to say they'll be improved

[Avante]

the raiders had one of the worst offensive lines in recent memory, and terrelle pryor started a majority of our games :lol... i think its safe to say they'll be improved

I'll pretend I;m a Raider fan and be real optimistic.

at Jets...loss
Houston...win
at NE...loss
Miami..win
SD...win
Arizona...loss
At Cleveland...win
At Seattle...loss
Denver...loss
At SD..loss
Kansas City...win
At St. Louis..loss
Niners...loss
at Kansas City...loss
Buffalo...win
At Denver...loss

How about....6-10? Ok ok they win one they should have lost...7-9.

[spurraider21]

the schedule is murder this year, but the jets, texans, dolphins, browns, bills games are all games that aren't unreasonable to expect wins in... i think the hope is to sneak out of the nfc W with a win.... most likely in a home game vs the cards. the raiders also tend to play San Diego well, and i dont think we lay 2 eggs against KC again. we've done fairly well against the chiefs for the last few years besides 2013

[Avante]

the schedule is murder this year, but the jets, texans, dolphins, browns, bills games are all games that aren't unreasonable to expect wins in... i think the hope is to sneak out of the nfc W with a win.... most likely in a home game vs the cards. the raiders also tend to play San Diego well, and i dont think we lay 2 eggs against KC again. we've done fairly well against the chiefs for the last few years besides 2013

Ok man make it 8-8. I can see that. You have the Niners right where ya want them, they play the Seahawks on a Thurs, Raiders then at the Seahawks. Talk about stupid scheduling.

You also only have one double road scenario and a two week home stand coming out of a bye.

[spurraider21]

Ok man make it 8-8. I can see that. You have the Niners right where ya want them, they play the Seahawks on a Thurs, Raiders then at the Seahawks. Talk about stupid scheduling.

You also only have one double road scenario and a two week home stand coming out of a bye.
i'm not anticipating a playoff birth this year, don't get me wrong. the hope is that they improve (to something like 7-9 or 8-8) and show some hope for the future for a few reasons:

1) if they have another awful record, there's a good shot the coaching staff will be replaced, possibly the GM. too much turnover... i'd rather they earn a shot to keep stability

2) if they show improvement and are thus no longer seen as a dysfunctional laughingstock, but rather a team moving in the right direction, it would give them more opportunities in free agency. players for the past decade have been avoiding oakland, and rightfully so. if we turn it around, the 'stink' around oakland would be lifted. the raiders have the most cap space next offseason (for the 2nd straight year)

[Avante]

i'm not anticipating a playoff birth this year, don't get me wrong. the hope is that they improve (to something like 7-9 or 8-8) and show some hope for the future for a few reasons:

1) if they have another awful record, there's a good shot the coaching staff will be replaced, possibly the GM. too much turnover... i'd rather they earn a shot to keep stability

2) if they show improvement and are thus no longer seen as a dysfunctional laughingstock, but rather a team moving in the right direction, it would give them more opportunities in free agency. players for the past decade have been avoiding oakland, and rightfully so. if we turn it around, the 'stink' around oakland would be lifted. the raiders have the most cap space next offseason (for the 2nd straight year)

I've always liked the Raiders, and would love to see them back in the mix. Football is better when the Raiders are relevant.

I agree with all ya said, yep, a couple more seasons and hopefully the Raiders will be playoff bound.

[spurraider21]

Holden_Caulfield Derek Carr already getting all the 2nd team reps... movin on up :hungry:

[Holden_Caulfield]

Holden_Caulfield (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=23326) Derek Carr already getting all the 2nd team reps... movin on up :hungry:
meanwhile bortles takes a shit in mini camp after signing his contract :lmao fml :cry
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/bortles-signs-then-bombs-jaguars-221239807--nfl.html

[spurraider21]

DJ "heart surgery" Hayden on the pup to start camp :lol.

Dude had that horrible injury in his last year in college, missed all of last years camp and preseason with a follow up procedure , was eventually put on IR with a groin injury, and starts this year on pup. Medical bust

[Holden_Caulfield]

spurraider21 hows carr been doing in camp? is he getting 1st team reps?

[spurraider21]

spurraider21 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905) hows carr been doing in camp? is he getting 1st team reps?
By all accounts they're saying our QB group as a whole is looking very strong, especially compared to last year (Pryor, Flynn, and UDFA McGloin)... Schaub and Carr have both looked sharp, and McGloin is better than he was at this point last year.

But the idea all along has been to start Schaub unless he faceplants, very similar to the situation in Seattle between Flynn and Russell Wilson. apparently they take way more downfield shots with Carr than Schaub, but he's still mostly running with the 2's. Schaub has been particularly sharp in redzone drills

What's most interesting is what I'm hearing from Dennis Allen after practices. I know there's a ton of coachspeak everywhere, but his tone is drastically different than the last couple of camps. Other years at this point he kept saying "they're making a lot of mistakes, but we have time to correct those, its still week 1 of camp" or "they're getting a little better, still have a ways to go"... trying to give a positive spin on shitty situations. This year he's been saying "it was a great practice, really like what i'm seeing" etc. I will always take coach press conferences with a grain of salt (and then some) but its interesting comparing him to how he's sounded the last 2 years

[spurraider21]

By all accounts Carr is looking fine (though he did fuck up a snap today, he did play primarily shotgun his last 2 seasons at Fresno St.), but Schaub has been very sharp throughout this first week of camp. The plan all along has been to redshirt Carr unless they absolutely HAD to get him in there, and at this point it looks like Schaub will be the unquestioned starter. He's been very strong in the short/intermediate game.

The front 7 hasn't really been giving enough time to complete that many deep passes. The d-line has been winning the battle in the trenches, and Lamarr Woodley is the guy who's name i've heard mentioned most in that regard.

Running back battle is still unclear, at this point the best guess is a complete plateau between MJD and McFadden, though its difficult to gauge the backs in practices, when you aren't dragging guys down to the ground or hitting them with any serious power. I think Jones-Drew would look better in those scenarios, McFadden has a porn-star build. Big upper body, skinny legs. Not great for driving through contact.

[benefactor]

494988598928633859

:lolld faithful

[djohn2oo8]

494988598928633859

:lolld faithful
:lmao

[Clipper Nation]

494988598928633859

:lolld faithful
Admit it, Philo - I was right about Scha:lolb

[spurraider21]

:cry c-wood is a legend

:lol

[spurraider21]

Raiders first depth chart has been released... most interesting spots

-MJD listed above McFadden. MJD is a better between tackles runner and a better pass protector. McFadden is a better receiver. makes sense this way, though i still predict a roughly even number of touches.

-Denarius Moore 3rd stringer... dude has regressed every year since his really impressive rookie campaign, where he appeared to be an absolute steal in the 5th round. He had a bunch of drop issues last couple of years and has been bad in camp. He could be a surprise cut. Greg Little is ahead of him on the depth chart, and he's not exactly known as a "hands" guy

-1st string receivers are Rod Streater and Andre Holmes, with james jones 2nd. the raiders will run a bunch of 3 receiver sets though, with Streater moving to the slot.

-David Ausberry listed as #1 TE over Mychal Rivera. ausberry is your typical annual offseason hype guy who is always hurt. hopefully he stays healthy this year. good to see he's done well enough to have the 1 spot for now.

-Schaub 1, Carr 2, McGloin 3. just as planned, just as expected

my biggest disappointment is the LG spot... 3rd round pick Gabe Jackson should be able to win that spot from Khalif Barnes, who is just really underwhelming. is ok at everything, not good at anything. the 1st depth chart usually sees a lot of changes, and hopefully Barnes ends up as a reserve. he can play 4 spots on the line. Jackson is a fucking truck at 336 pounds

[spurraider21]

the only sleeper guy we have is David Ausberry but he's been perennial preseason/camp hype only to be hurt/non-factor every season


-David Ausberry listed as #1 TE over Mychal Rivera. ausberry is your typical annual offseason hype guy who is always hurt. hopefully he stays healthy this year. good to see he's done well enough to have the 1 spot for now.
:lmao Ausberry to undergo a knee procedure

[spurraider21]

Denarius Moore reportedly on the roster bubble. its crazy what a difference a year makes. last year our 53 man roster initially had 2 punters, and this year a guy with legit talent could be a cut. roster is miles ahead of last 2 seasons

[spurraider21]

best thing i read during the raiders/cowboys practices. :hungry:

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[spurraider21]

- Schaub looked so pedestrian out there. I didn't think he was terrible, but he was uninspiring. The interception wasn't his fault, it was a solid throw and James Jones couldn't hang on. The DB got his hand in there, but good receivers will show strong hands when its a contested ball. Instead it got batted up and picked off. Regardless, he should have been picked off on an earlier throw to the sideline and is lucky Mathis dropped it. In the offseason I was for the Schaub acquisition, but I didn't want to send a pick for him for this reason... I knew he'd be a stopgap, and you shouldn't trade draft picks for stopgaps.

- The running backs look really impressive. MJD showed some of that old burst, was breaking tackles. McFadden for all his bullshit injuries doesn't look like they've affected him long term. He looks 100% and I think the committee with Jones-Drew will be the best thing thats ever happened with him. Both guys can run strong, both guys can catch, both can pass protect. The offense will lean on them quite a bit.

- The offensive line looked good. The best news is that they gave 3rd round pick Gabe Jackson some run with the 1's at left guard, and he (predictably) outplayed Khalif Barnes who had 2 penalties. Jackson should absolutely start, and Barnes is a guy that, though average at best, can play 4 positions on the line. That versatility is best used as a reserve. Once Jackson's move to the first team becomes permanent, the O-line will be set, and will be the strength of our offense. Crazy turnaround from last year.

- The receivers did the same shit. there were a couple of blatantly dropped passes. There were also 3 separate occasions where they caught the ball but couldn't get their feet inbounds in the endzone. all 3 could have been touchdowns. Greg Little did it twice.

- Carr was the bright spot of the day imo. He showed the same overall poise he did in week 1, which is the main thing i want to see. Quick decisions, no patting the ball, no happy feet at the sight of a pass rush. But unlike week 1 he made some downfield throws, got a TD. they rolled him out a few times and he looked great. He also suffered from 2 drops, one on a good downfield throw, one on a short third down. Unfortunately they left him in with the 3rd team to give him a 2 minute drill, and he got blindsided, the DE landed on top of him, and he got concussed. Should be ok, but stupid to let him get beat up like that.

- :lol corners... they might have to bench Tarrel Brown for 7th round pick TJ Carrie, who actually has impressed. They're literally hoping DJ Hayden comes back and is starting caliber, which he wasn't last year.

- the line looks fine, they get some pressure, Mack got a sack, etc. The corners are going to be holding this team back on defense, the receivers will on offense

[RGMCSE]

I was excited to see my dog MJD revive his career in Oak town and couldn't help but notice that your O-line is purely built for run blocking. It showed when ever Shaub would get in a long yard situation the oline could not pass block for shit. But'ill admit that I ave not watched much raider football recently. The only thing is that I have seen a lot of shitty pass protection from the Jaguars over the years that it really stood out to me. Hopefully they rebuild that oline or Carr aint gonna last.

[Kyle Orton]

I was excited to see my dog MJD revive his career in Oak town and couldn't help but notice that your O-line is purely built for run blocking. It showed when ever Shaub would get in a long yard situation the oline could not pass block for shit. But'ill admit that I ave not watched much raider football recently. The only thing is that I have seen a lot of shitty pass protection from the Jaguars over the years that it really stood out to me. Hopefully they rebuild that oline or Carr aint gonna last.
Shut up faggot

[spurraider21]

I was excited to see my dog MJD revive his career in Oak town and couldn't help but notice that your O-line is purely built for run blocking. It showed when ever Shaub would get in a long yard situation the oline could not pass block for shit. But'ill admit that I ave not watched much raider football recently. The only thing is that I have seen a lot of shitty pass protection from the Jaguars over the years that it really stood out to me. Hopefully they rebuild that oline or Carr aint gonna last.
yeah its a massive run-blocking line... average weight north of 325 pounds iirc :lol.

the offense is going to lean heavily on MJD, McFadden, and Reece... both as runners and receivers out of the backfield

[RGMCSE]

Shut up faggot

Any guesses on a new name for the skins? How about the Washington Monuments. Or maybe the Washington Politicos or the Washington Lobbyists. I'm partial to the Washington Fucko's...

[spurraider21]

RGMCSE (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17219) Holden_Caulfield (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=23326)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPObiXfpSPE

:wow det run
:lol the "don't shoot" thing

[Raven]

RGMCSE (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17219) Holden_Caulfield (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=23326)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPObiXfpSPE

:wow det run
:lol the "don't shoot" thing
Mjd is still my fav rb, but against the packers it doesn't really count tbh :lol

[spurraider21]

Mjd is still my fav rb, but against the packers it doesn't really count tbh :lol
it was pretty terrible blocking though. i dont think anybody on the right side of our line executed their block :lol

[Holden_Caulfield]

dude is gonna be a steal from 4th round and beyond in fantasy

[spurraider21]

:lol here we go again... Matt Flynn is repeating itself

Although not expressed after the game, Schaub randomly missed today's practice with a "sore elbow" and Carr got all the first team reps.

Same EXACT shit happened last year, where Flynn randomly had a "sore elbow" and missed practice, and next thing we knew, Pryor was named the starter

[manufan10]

spurraider21 you're not the only one thinking along those lines:

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[spurraider21]

yep. next step is to "rest" schaub and let Carr start the preseason finale

[spurraider21]

Matt Schaub is now battling a "sore elbow" at Raiders camp.

An arm injury doesn't explain Schaub's inability to move or make sound decisions, but could be telling in regards to his noticeable shortage of arm strength. Schaub has looked genuinely Matt Flynnian in preseason games. Perhaps the sore elbow will be the excuse Dennis Allen needs to put Schaub out of his misery. He's been outplayed by rookie Derek Carr throughout August.


Source: Jerry McDonald on Twitter (https://twitter.com/Jerrymcd/status/503699928099467265)
Aug 24 - 8:28 PM


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the question is, will he start?

:hungry:

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Raiders

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0819/nfl_confidential3_600x600.png

Philo, get in here and :downspin: this shit immediately!

[spurraider21]

:lol Raiders

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0819/nfl_confidential3_600x600.png

Philo, get in here and :downspin: this shit immediately!
we're ready tbh :lol... we have the most cap space in the NFL again next offseason, and thats not including an additional 8 mil we're going to save by jettisoning schaub

[spurraider21]

503978115022876672



http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt341/NoMoreVick/jack-nicholson-nodding.gif

[Clipper Nation]

we're ready tbh :lol... we have the most cap space in the NFL again next offseason, and thats not including an additional 8 mil we're going to save by jettisoning schaub
You had all that cap space this past offseason, you ended up losing Veldheer, and all you got was a bunch of players who used to be good five years ago :lol

[spurraider21]

:lol heart surgery Hayden on the PUP already

[spurraider21]

You had all that cap space this past offseason, you ended up losing Veldheer, and all you got was a bunch of players who used to be good five years ago :lol
apparently veldheer wanted to talk. the raiders offered him more than Arizona did. not much you can do about that. he's a good player but not a franchise tag caliber player. as you saw in what you posted earlier, players currently aren't banging the door down to play for oakland unless they get overpaid... and reggie mckenzie isn't really big on that. instead of overpaying guys, he signed veterans who can start. our best signing was probably Austin Howard who will be starting on our line for years to come. he also picked up guys like woodley, tuck, MJD who can still play, and dont come with bloated contracts.

the idea behind it is to try to get the "stink" off the franchise tbh, so we dont have to overpay guys to come over. get some guys who can play who can fill in decently, build through the draft, and hopefully you get in a situation where the team looks decent on the field and show promise (lets say Carr comes in and has a solid rookie year and the raiders go somewhere like 7-9). that would make it a more attractive spot for free agents.

our stadium/city situation also doesn't help, but it looks like Davis is done with oakland, he said he's no longer open to renewing the lease which expires this year.

[Raven]

i kinda dig what the raiders did this year, but some stuff just calls for a :lol anyway.. :lol @ 8M for shaub, :lol @ losing your starting tackle while offering more money, :lol @ having your entire past draft company being on IR all the time..

[spurraider21]

yeah the schaub thing pissed me off. don't get me wrong, i was saying we need a veteran stopgap, and i even mentioned schaub as one of the guys i'd go after, but trading for him was moronic because:
a) he was going to get cut anyway
b) by trading for him instead of signing him you are inheriting his salary
c) a rebuilding team shouldn't deal draft picks for temporary guys... even if it was just a 6th

[DPG21920]

What kind of liars choose GB on that poll and wouldn't want to play with Rodgers?

[spurraider21]

What kind of liars choose GB on that poll and wouldn't want to play with Rodgers?
maybe the part about how you have to live in wisconsin

[Chinook]

our stadium/city situation also doesn't help, but it looks like Davis is done with oakland, he said he's no longer open to renewing the lease which expires this year.

Surprised Xmas hasn't found this post. He probably googles this stuff a hundred times a day.

I don't see how Davis doesn't renew the lease eventually. It's kind of late in the game for a move, though I guess SA and LA have emergency stadia available.

[spurraider21]

Derek Carr
:worthy:

[Avante]

I know I mess around but......

Football is always better when the Raiders are in the mix. I'd love to see them turn things around, first step.......stop those change of possesion penalties.

[spurraider21]

4 possessions, 4 touchdown drives, first of which came against Seattle starters. he even caught Sherman with a back shoulder throw to Moore to set up first and goal on the opening drive :worthy:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTPltPwbQEA
Holden_Caulfield Clipper Nation :downspin:

[The Gemini Method]

Congrats on your Preseason Super Bowl win, Spurraider21.

[spurraider21]

Congrats on your Preseason Super Bowl win, Spurraider21.
thanks. it was a blast, something to be excited about before what history tells us will be a 4-12 season

[Holden_Caulfield]

start carr :cry

[spurraider21]

:cry #startthecarr

[Holden_Caulfield]

:cry #startthecarr
whats the probability carr is named the starter?

[spurraider21]

whats the probability carr is named the starter?
pretty high. beat writers are all predicting him to start at this point. schaub hasn't done anything in the preseason and how he has his "sore elbow"...

MoJo and Carr on the same team, ya must be heartbroken. at least bortles looks great

[The Gemini Method]

He looked really solid last night...it'll be interesting to see how he progresses in real time and against the improved Ds of Denver and SD in that division. Much, much, better with him that the terrible Schaub.

[spurraider21]

i'm definitely expecting some rocky games from him, but as long as he doesn't look like the game is too big for him, there's no upside to benching him. same reason i think bortles should be starting

[Holden_Caulfield]

i'm definitely expecting some rocky games from him, but as long as he doesn't look like the game is too big for him, there's no upside to benching him. same reason i think bortles should be starting
he has displayed good pocket presence and movement thus far

based on preseason performances, bridge, carr and bortles has outplayed the incumbents and deserves to start

[spurraider21]

he has displayed good pocket presence and movement thus far

based on preseason performances, bridge, carr and bortles has outplayed the incumbents and deserves to start
not sure in the case of bridgewater. he's looked good, but Cassel has actually played really well in the preseason. still, if they're even (and i know my team isn't competing anyway) i'd rather give the young guy experience.

bortles is looking off safeties and shit. the guy has it imo. the thing with him and carr is that the team around them isn't that great

[The Gemini Method]

dey got Marqise Lee!

[spurraider21]

http://www.raiderfans.net/forum/attachments/oakland-raiders-forum-message-board/18145d1409332148-guys-isnt-premature-real-derek-carr-bwn-ulmceaaxowo.jpg

[The Gemini Method]

Oh, reading that board--optimism is high this time of year in the East Bay...How has Khalil Mack looked this preseason?

[spurraider21]

Oh, reading that board--optimism is high this time of year in the East Bay...How has Khalil Mack looked this preseason?
90% of the posters on that board are ass. i like the site because they do have legitimate insiders during FA season.

mack looks good doing a lot of different things. has spent almost as much time lining up as a base DE as he has playing OLB. he's been surprisingly good against the run, driving the tackles backwards.

i haven't seen too many instances of him pinning his ears back and going for an edge rush

[Raven]

personally, i wouldn't start any of the rookies, and i don't think bridgewater has looked good at all. He looks pretty much like a young Shaub.

[spurraider21]

personally, i wouldn't start any of the rookies, and i don't think bridgewater has looked good at all. He looks pretty much like a young Shaub.
i dont really see the purpose of treading water with Henne or Schaub, unless you feel like ur rook is about to get destroyed a la david carr

[Raven]

i dont really see the purpose of treading water with Henne or Schaub, unless you feel like ur rook is about to get destroyed a la david carr

Pretty much that. Check the oline first, then check how he slides and reads blitzes, then start him.

[The Gemini Method]

Did the Raiders to San Antonio thing die down? What's the stadium situation out in the East Bay?

[spurraider21]

stadium situation out in the East Bay?
:lol

[spurraider21]

Dennis Allen said he wants to see where Schaub's elbow is at before making a decision on the starter.

imo thats just bullshit for "i'm going to start carr, and will use schaub's elbow as an excuse." Allen had been talking up Schaub all offseason long, repeatedly calling him a top 10 QB. he just doesn't want to look stupid and say "yeah, i thought he was a top 10 qb, but im going to start this rookie over him." also for what its worth, Schaub will be away from the team this weekend for "personal reasons"

Another good nugget of news is that starting TE David Ausberry is expected to return to practice Monday. He missed the entire preseason but has the potential to be an impact player on what is otherwise a pathetic TE unit

[spurraider21]

Derek Carr officially named week 1 starter against the Jets
Holden_Caulfield

[weebo]

Noodle arm faggot can't even beat a Carr at playing NFL quarterback :lol....San Antonio Raiders should've known this guy was trash :lol

[blkroadrunners]

:lol Matt Schaub took David Carrs job now Derek Carrs taking Matt Schaubs current job

[spurraider21]

:lol Matt Schaub took David Carrs job now Derek Carrs taking Matt Schaubs current job

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwSKkKrUzUk

[Chinook]

^You know, I really remembered that song as having sounded better than it does.

[jeebus]

Noodle arm faggot can't even beat a Carr at playing NFL quarterback :lol....San Antonio Raiders should've known this guy was trash :lol
Fuck that. I'm not supporting the SA Raiders if Schaub isn't leading the ship to the super bowl

[chunticakes]

Fuck that. I'm not supporting the SA Raiders if Schaub isn't leading the ship to the super bowl

He'll be back when Carr is destroyed by Von Miller.

[spurraider21]

before the raiders draft him...


I'd take Carr over the Philbilly any day of the week, tbh....

after the raiders draft him...


Nobody cares about Matt Schaub's career backup :lol

:downspin: this shit

[Holden_Caulfield]

:cry fuck yeah :cry

[djohn2oo8]

Lol Schaub. I remember when my Nigga Spurraider was defending det trade.

[spurraider21]

Lol Schaub. I remember when my Nigga Spurraider was defending det trade.
not gna lie, i said a few times i wanted to acquire schaub, but if you remember i was adamant that trading for him was a mistake, as opposed to waiting for him to get cut. all 8 of our draft picks this year made the roster, so adding another draft pick would have been good, even if it was just a 6th. plus we inherited his contract as opposed to getting him cheap.

i specifically wanted schaub for the scenario of having him as a stopgap with the hopes of us drafting Carr for the future. unfortunately Schaub hasn't rebounded from last year at all, but fortunately Carr is further along than anybody expected

[kamikazi_player]

I can't wait to see Carr start. Definitely going to buy some tickets to Raider games this season.

[Holden_Caulfield]

they will broadcast the game in my area :clap

[spurraider21]

they will broadcast the game in my area :clap
you really want to watch curious geno?

[The Gemini Method]

you really want to watch curious geno? That's comedy at its finest! Who wouldn't want to watch Geno?

[Spur-Addict]

That's comedy at its finest! Who wouldn't want to watch Geno?

Behind the back fumble ftw

[The Gemini Method]

Behind the back fumble ftw

You ready for tomorrow? How loud is the Clink going to be? I imagine it will be a close game. It's going to be bananas out there.

[spurraider21]

rex ryan against a rookie QB won't be an easy challenge... and they were tops against the run last year, so there will be pressure to make plays through the air.

then next week he'll be up against Watt/Clowney and in week 3 he's got belichick planning for him. not an easy start. Wilfork being back makes it harder to run against them, which was a blueprint last year

[The Gemini Method]

rex ryan against a rookie QB won't be an easy challenge... and they were tops against the run last year, so there will be pressure to make plays through the air.

then next week he'll be up against Watt/Clowney and in week 3 he's got belichick planning for him. not an easy start. we should be able to run on the pats though

That secondary for the J-E-T-S is horrible. They had the one dude go AWOL and nothing else besides that. The front 7 is who'll prove to be the most difficult for Carr to deal with but he should be able to get some leverage against that secondary.

[spurraider21]

That secondary for the J-E-T-S is horrible. They had the one dude go AWOL and nothing else besides that. The front 7 is who'll prove to be the most difficult for Carr to deal with but he should be able to get some leverage against that secondary.
yeah if he gets time he should be fine. our line is much better run blocking than in pass pro. though, and ryan historically makes rookies look confused

[Spur-Addict]

You ready for tomorrow? How loud is the Clink going to be? I imagine it will be a close game. It's going to be bananas out there.

I got really hype watching a trailer yesterday, it's probably a good idea that I don't drink tomorrow LOL. Have to get off to a good start facing three playoff teams (from last season) in a row. :hungry:

[Spur-Addict]

yeah if he gets time he should be fine. our line is much better run blocking than in pass pro. though, and ryan historically makes rookies look confused

I'd really like to see Oak take some shots early, everyone is probably expecting a lot of running, and some dink and dunk to make Carr comfortable.

[Avante]

That secondary for the J-E-T-S is horrible. They had the one dude go AWOL and nothing else besides that. The front 7 is who'll prove to be the most difficult for Carr to deal with but he should be able to get some leverage against that secondary.

I can't ignore this....

Raiders on the road in the Dennis Allen era....2-14. Now they are going to travel to the east coast a place they haven't won at in over 10 years with a rookie QB.

The Jets at home in the last two seasons...9-7...with a 37-27 win over Oakland.

[spurraider21]

Eliminate trends when you have a new coach right? So why being up decade old trends, little fella?

[Avante]

Eliminate trends when you have a new coach right? So why being up decade old trends, little fella?

You must have missed 2-14 on the road in the Dennis Allen era.

[spurraider21]

You must have missed 2-14 on the road in the Dennis Allen era.
I was referring to darn near everything else