Woj: Spurs have traded De Colo for Austin Daye

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)San Antonio has traded Nando De Colo to the Toronto Raptors for Austin Daye, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

per WOJ

[TheChillFactor]

it was an omen when they left his ass at that smoggy arena in Mexico...

[Gino-Step]

Legit trade. This is just what we needed!!!!

[Bruno]

Good for De Colo, He might get an opportunity to show he belongs in the NBA.

It brings nothing to Spurs since Daye sucks. They save a little money but that's all.

Crappy deadline after a crappy summer. Spurs could have done so much more especially with Bonner's contract.

[Bruno]

Well, Daye second year is $250K guaranteed so it is a bad trade if Spurs don't get some other assets back.

[FaM0us Skins]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)San Antonio has traded Nando De Colo to the Toronto Raptors for Austin Daye, league source tells Yahoo Sports.



Oh my the De Colo era is over! :D

[poop]

Hahhaha, as if they would even CONSIDER moving bonner:lmao

[monkeypunk]

Best of luck to you, Decolo!!

Welcome Daye, gotta be better than Ayres...

:lol

[DMC]

Did he have to leave his mask or was that included in the trade?

Was it just to get him out of the US? They've been trying to do that.

[gambit1990]

good trade.

[CGD]

Swapping misfits. Thought this was about all that may happen. Trading for a raw project tweener is Not a bad trade in my opinion.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Good for De Colo, He might get an opportunity to show he belongs in the NBA.

It brings nothing to Spurs since Daye sucks. They save a little money but that's all.

Crappy deadline after a crappy summer. Spurs could have done so much more especially with Bonner's contract.

Yup. Crappy trade after crappy summer, for a crappy player, giving up someone who promised much but delivered crap.

They save some $500,000 in the exchange though.. Useful for fitting in a roster player through waiver? I wont keep too much hopes though. Or at all.

[Man In Black]

Hmmm...So the Heat have traded Roger Mason Jr to the Kings where he's expected to be waived.

Spurs trade away a Spur Guard who, while is a capable passer, has a confidence problem with shooting the ball.

Former Spur Guard who had no issues shooting will soon be available...Coincidence?

Who knows...I just think it's unusual.

So what can you do Austin Daye?

[Mugen]

I like that trade in that Nando never got a fair shake here IMO, not entirely within Pop's control. Hope he can pan out in TOR and stay in the league a while longer.

Daye isn't very good but he's got length and can shoot the 3. Maybe some Bonner insurance for the end of the season. Worst case scenario he doesn't pan out and costs the spurs a little bit of money, best case is he has a James Johnson type breakout. Can't really complain tbh.

[Baam]

Good for De Colo, He might get an opportunity to show he belongs in the NBA.

It brings nothing to Spurs since Daye sucks. They save a little money but that's all.

Crappy deadline after a crappy summer. Spurs could have done so much more especially with Bonner's contract.

Couldn't afford to lose that corporate knowledge...

[MoSpur]

Good for De Colo. He is a good offensive player. Not good on defense and for some reason was in the doghouse. I'm sure he'll get a legit shot in Toronto.

[Blizzardwizard]

This trade is like the spoiled kid demanding a Heat jersey every day, then the father gets pissed off and sets one of the kids shirts on fire. "Happy now?"

[Mugen]

Spurs also got a little less French which is never a bad thing tbh :rollin

[CGD]

Spurs did right by de colo too. Sent him to one of the most international cities in North America where he should fit in.

[Bruno]

Yup. Crappy trade after crappy summer, for a crappy player, giving up someone who promised much but delivered crap.

They save some $500,000 in the exchange though.. Useful for fitting in a roster player through waiver? I wont keep too much hopes though. Or at all.

Actually, Spurs don't save money with this trade since Daye salary is $250K guaranteed for next season. All in all, this deal will cost an extra $50K/$100K to Spurs.

[Dex]

Well, at least something happened. I'm not sure exactly what people expected to get back for De Colo. :lol

[Hoops Czar]

This was probably worst than not making a trade. Usually all Spurs trades these days are about saving money or accomodating a Spurs player rather than improving the team. Though, if Daye actually plays, that could hurt the team.

[Mal]

Actually, Spurs don't save money with this trade since Daye salary is $250K guaranteed for next season. All in all, this deal will cost an extra $50K/$100K to Spurs.

Yay !! Trade wasnt about money !!

[T Park]

Good for De Colo, He might get an opportunity to show he belongs in the NBA.

It brings nothing to Spurs since Daye sucks. They save a little money but that's all.

Crappy deadline after a crappy summer. Spurs could have done so much more especially with Bonner's contract.


Yup because there's so many teams beating down the door for him.

[HarlemHeat37]

I like that trade in that Nando never got a fair shake here IMO, not entirely within Pop's control. Hope he can pan out in TOR and stay in the league a while longer.

Daye isn't very good but he's got length and can shoot the 3. Maybe some Bonner insurance for the end of the season. Worst case scenario he doesn't pan out and costs the spurs a little bit of money, best case is he has a James Johnson type breakout. Can't really complain tbh.

Man, James Johnson would have been absolutely perfect for the Spurs, sad that Hollinger beat RC to it, tbh:(..

I wouldn't have expected the Spurs to miss out on a D-League prospect..

[spurraider21]

I used to like Nando, and I was rooting for him to win the backup PG spot, but he just didn't pan. They cut their losses with him and in return got somebody who plays in a position where we need any sort of depth.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Man, James Johnson would have been absolutely perfect for the Spurs, sad that Hollinger beat RC to it, tbh:(..

I wouldn't have expected the Spurs to miss out on a D-League prospect..

And to think that the Spurs actually tried him out in training camp before anyone else?

[I. Hustle]

This trade is like the spoiled kid demanding a Heat jersey every day, then the father gets pissed off and sets one of the kids shirts on fire. "Happy now?"

What?

http://sisterlocks.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/what-you-talkin-bout-willis-o.gif

[Spur|n|Austin]

Did he have to leave his mask or was that included in the trade?

Was it just to get him out of the US? They've been trying to do that.

:lol
:lol

[BatManu20]

Championship!!! :lobt2:

[Mugen]

Man, James Johnson would have been absolutely perfect for the Spurs, sad that Hollinger beat RC to it, tbh:(..

I wouldn't have expected the Spurs to miss out on a D-League prospect..

Would have been nice but RC cashed in his 10-Day Lottery Ticket on Danny tbh.

[Texas_Ranger]

good tbh.

[Hoops Czar]

Well, at least something happened. I'm not sure exactly what people expected to get back for De Colo. :lol

Bonner could have been amnestied 10x over by now. Unwilling to give up a 1st for Deng? This is the kind of trade you end up wit when you have a clown running your FO. They could of had better luck dipping into the D-league if they were in search for a useless player

[Bruno]

One of the little positive of this trade is that it gives Spurs a $1.5M trade exception.

[HarlemHeat37]

And to think that the Spurs actually tried him out in training camp before anyone else?

Well, to be fair, I didn't want him before, either..he was overweight and just a defensive specialist that had no offensive ability..

He deserves credit for getting in great shape and improving his ball-handling/athleticism, but still hurts that the Spurs couldn't get him, he'd be perfect as the 4th big/small-ball 4..

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Daye is a 3 so really we just need him to hit the corner 3. He also can play the 4 which means he can create space on the perimeter (like Bonner). Probably isn't as good of a 3 point shooter.. but there's no way his defense is worse. Regardless, his size is good for us. Definitely not a bad move considering we don't need NDC. Instantly an upgrade.

[chazley]

Toronto has one of the best backup PG's in the league in Vasquez and Lowry is arguably the best PG in the East this season. De Colo, unfortunately, will likely see the court even less than he did in San Antonio unless they move him to the 2.

Austin Daye is a guy that has consistently teased with his talent, and shown flashes of becoming a good NBA SF. His sophomore season, he averaged 7.5 PPG and 3.8 RPG and shot over 40% from 3. He's also only 25 and brings alot of athleticism, something Pop said we were lacking in a recent interview. I like the trade. He will be a good backup for Kawhi and can play the 4. The guy is 6'11.

[DPG21920]

Not an upgrade at all unless something no one can foresee happens and Daye magically becomes an NBA player. Talent-wise, even though Nando was buried in depth, Nando had greater potential to help in a pinch.

[BatManu20]

In all honesty though, this just seems like a trade that was made simply because Nando was unhappy. Daye is averaging ONE pt and ONE rb a game.. and he somehow weighs less than 200 lbs. at 6'11". That's impressive in itself.

Pretty bummed we couldn't make a trade that would actually help this team on it's quest for #5 tbh, but we really didn't have any assets to offer, either.

[Hoops Czar]

Daye is a 3 so really we just need him to hit the corner 3. He also can play the 4 which means he can create space on the perimeter (like Bonner). Probably isn't as good of a 3 point shooter.. but there's no way his defense is worse. Regardless, his size is good for us. Definitely not a bad move considering we don't need NDC. Instantly an upgrade.

His 33 minutes of playing time this year should come in handy

[Mugen]

There's also literally zero chance Daye is worse than Jeff unless he just shows up the first day and shoots Tim Duncan in the face tbh.

[rayray2k8]

So what does this mean for S. Brown? How many 10 day contracts can he get before the Spurs decide to sign him for the rest of the year?

[JR3]

Too deep at pg and thin at sf. Fixed now. I'm okay with that.

[DesignatedT]

Not a knock to De Colo but anyone who might have the remote possibility of eating into the minutes of Bonner and Ayres is of higher priority to me. Let's see what Daye can do.

[spurraider21]

There's also literally zero chance Daye is worse than Jeff unless he just shows up the first day and shoots Tim Duncan in the face tbh.
:lmao

[HarlemHeat37]

Toronto has one of the best backup PG's in the league in Vasquez and Lowry is arguably the best PG in the East this season. De Colo, unfortunately, will likely see the court even less than he did in San Antonio unless they move him to the 2.

Austin Daye is a guy that has consistently teased with his talent, and shown flashes of becoming a good NBA SF. His sophomore season, he averaged 7.5 PPG and 3.8 RPG and shot over 40% from 3. He's also only 25 and brings alot of athleticism, something Pop said we were lacking in a recent interview. I like the trade. He will be a good backup for Kawhi and can play the 4. The guy is 6'11.

Vasquez has been playing the 2 for the past month or more, tbh..

[rayray2k8]

After watching him play against the Clippers a few days ago, he made Bonner look like a decent role player.. Ugh.

[Hoops Czar]

Too deep at pg and thin at sf. Fixed now. I'm okay with that.

They have one true point guard on the team. That's not depth.

[Libri]

Good for De Colo, He might get an opportunity to show he belongs in the NBA.

It brings nothing to Spurs since Daye sucks. They save a little money but that's all.

Crappy deadline after a crappy summer. Spurs could have done so much more especially with Bonner's contract.

Disappointing, but like every year, I didn't expect them to do much.

Do you think that this trade was made because De Colo was showing some discontent at not playing much?

[DapDaGenius]

Yes. One less French guy on the team.

[loveforthegame]

I like that the Spurs are.gambling here.

[johnpaulwall21]

typical spurs move. They help a player that doesn't fit in, find another home so he can have another chance to make it in the nba. meanwhile getting nothing in return. the end.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Toronto has one of the best backup PG's in the league in Vasquez and Lowry is arguably the best PG in the East this season. De Colo, unfortunately, will likely see the court even less than he did in San Antonio unless they move him to the 2.

Austin Daye is a guy that has consistently teased with his talent, and shown flashes of becoming a good NBA SF. His sophomore season, he averaged 7.5 PPG and 3.8 RPG and shot over 40% from 3. He's also only 25 and brings alot of athleticism, something Pop said we were lacking in a recent interview. I like the trade. He will be a good backup for Kawhi and can play the 4. The guy is 6'11.

x2
i'm not very quotable, here. but i like this chaz guy.

[BatManu20]

A sample of what he CAN do, even though he only averages 1 pt and 1 rb a game.. For the record, I don't think he does anything in SA.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7KNE4I8iQo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZVIf3zMNzE

[Bruno]

Do you think that this trade was made because De Colo was showing some discontent at not playing much?

I don't think so because Spurs/Pop could just have waived De Colo if needed. They might have some kind of interest in Daye to take him with his non-expiring contract.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol a highlight package of jump shots over Kyle Korver:lol..

Daye can't dribble and he's skinny, which is his biggest flaw in the NBA, he can't get to the basket with that frame and lack of ball-handling..he also can't post-up, either..

The only use he has on offense is shooting open 3s and shooting 1-dribble pull-ups against smaller defenders, tbh..defensively, he's awful..

[pivdro]

it was an omen when they left his ass at that smoggy arena in Mexico...
what? they left nando?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lol a highlight package of jump shots over Kyle Korver:lol..

heres one you might enjoy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oKwFvNFsLs

[will_spurs]

Well, Daye second year is $250K guaranteed so it is a bad trade if Spurs don't get some other assets back.

Although I'd be inclined to trust your word on this, 40MoH is reporting that the 2nd year is non-guaranteed.

[Bruno]

It wouldn't surprised me if Spurs get a little something else in this thread like a second round pick.

[Spur|n|Austin]

There's also literally zero chance Daye is worse than Jeff unless he just shows up the first day and shoots Tim Duncan in the face tbh.

:lol OR misses 4 dunks in a game.

[spurraider21]

heres one you might enjoy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oKwFvNFsLs
play him 48 minutes per game in the finals. we have our wade stopper

[Mugen]

:lol a highlight package of jump shots over Kyle Korver:lol..

Daye can't dribble and he's skinny, which is his biggest flaw in the NBA, he can't get to the basket with that frame and lack of ball-handling..he also can't post-up, either..

The only use he has on offense is shooting open 3s and shooting 1-dribble pull-ups against smaller defenders, tbh..defensively, he's awful..

Sounds like a certain ginger on the team tbh. Now you know why Pop pulled the trigger.

[RD2191]

31 page trade thread and this is what we get.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Although I'd be inclined to trust your word on this, 40MoH is reporting that the 2nd year is non-guaranteed.

B-ball reference also corroborates Sham sports -

http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/TOR.html



Austin Daye (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dayeau01.html)


Signed August 1, 2013 for an assumed minimum salary for 2 years.
2014-15 is partially guaranteed for $250,000 if waived before July 30, 2014, fully guaranteed after that.

[Bruno]

Although I'd be inclined to trust your word on this, 40MoH is reporting that the 2nd year is non-guaranteed.

Don't trust me, trust Sham.

[Mugen]

:lol OR misses 4 dunks in a game.

That would mean Austin caught 4 passes in one game which is something I haven't seen Jeff do yet tbh :lol

[siraulo23]

Well ill take it lol

spurs made a move

[will_spurs]

Don't trust me, trust Sham.

:tu

[JR3]

They have one true point guard on the team. That's not depth.

We move the ball like crazy and most of our guys at other positions move the ball well. We have multiple players that can do what a pg does from other positions including Diaw at pf. Not worried about not having true point gaurds like steve nash and john stockton on our team....

[KawhiLeonard]

Love this trade we get another long wing to throw at Durant decolo was expendable with mills,cojo playing the way they are

[50 cent]

Glad to get De Colo's whiny ass out of here.

[objective]

Although I'd be inclined to trust your word on this, 40MoH is reporting that the 2nd year is non-guaranteed.

48MoH has never been a source for good Spurs news or insight. Not for me anyway. No surprise that they'd be wrong on this.

[JR3]

I wonder if this means we are keeping shannon Brown around.

[pad300]

It's not all that terrible. When playing for MEM last year, as a SF, he put up a WS/48 of .127. It's fair to say he's shown some flashes. He's not a terrible physical match-up for tall SF's and Perimeter PF's, which has been a position of weakness - especially against shooters. He's also a decent rebounder, 11% Career TRB%, which is decent for a SF (for perspective, PF Matt Bonner, 10.6% career). For Nando, it's a decent filler. Especially if Bruno is right and there is something like a 2nd round pick coming our way...

[loveforthegame]

Nice that we have so much time off after the Suns game. Lots of practices for Daye.

[spurraider21]

With the way Mills has been playing, and with CoJo clearly ahead of Nando in the rotation, dumping him for anything was a no brainer. Its not like we had spots at the other guard position, with Green, Marco, Manu occupying those. Not that I think Daye is a stud, but getting rid of a combo guard for a 3 or small ball 4 made sense from a purely positional point of view.

Factor in that they are both expiring, and it's really not that big a deal

[look_at_g_shred]

Like the trade tbh.... another filler behind Kawhi who we could throw at the 3's of the league. We kinda have some versatility now at the 3 spot with KL, Diaw, Green, Manu, Beli, and now Daye who can be put there.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm excited for Nando, tbh, he has a good opportunity in Toronto..

He will have a legit shot to earn the backup PG position, along with more minutes at the backup 2 since Vasquez sucks, tbh..

I may have to attend his first home game and cheer that nigga:lol..

[BatManu20]

Wonder if there's any chance the Sixers buyout Granger? I doubt it, but if they're in full tank mode they might as well. Spurs would def be interested.

[BatManu20]

How has Daye not gotten bigger tbh.. 6'11'' and barely 200 lbs is almost unheard of. Even skeletons like John Henson and Anthony Randolph are 220+ at 6'11".

[ABC]

I liked De Colo, fwiw. Too bad it didn't work out. Best of luck to him.

[Prime Time]

If I recall correctly, Detroit used Daye as the go-to player in a couple of clutch situations. Though, not sure how much that means.. since that was with the Pistons and all lol.

But I like the deal. Daye has shown the ability to hit from outside/mid-range, But that's really all he has going for him. Eh, whatever, at least Nando can shut up.

[spurraider21]

Daye will finish out the year here and will be replaced by Bertans

[td4mvp2k]

:tu spurs did wat they shood of this offseason tbh

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Nando isn't an nba caliber player so worst case scenario this trade does nothing for us. Trading Nando for anyone is a no risk trade

[capek]

How has Daye not gotten bigger tbh.. 6'11'' and barely 200 lbs is almost unheard of. Even skeletons like John Henson and Anthony Randolph are 220+ at 6'11".

Whataburger/Taco Cabana to the rescue :tu

[Bruno]

De Colo's agent comments on the trade (in french):
http://www.basketusa.com/news/207803/nando-de-colo-a-toronto-la-reaction-de-son-agent/

Nando's agent is saying that there have been talks for many weeks about a trades since his client was buried behind a logjam of guards. 4 or 5 teams, including the Clippers, were interested in De Colo.

[Hoops Czar]

Nando isn't an nba caliber player so worst case scenario this trade does nothing for us. Trading Nando for anyone is a no risk trade

Nando hardly played. If Daye sees Ayres type minutes, you'll probably change your tune.

[DPG21920]

Austin Daye just sucks. This is the rare case where the Spurs making a move is actually depressing and brings no excitement and lowers the overall talent level of the team.

[I. Hustle]

Austin Daye just sucks. This is the rare case where the Spurs making a move is actually depressing and brings no excitement and lowers the overall talent level of the team.

Because DeColo was such a baller?

[Budkin]

Ayres + Daye = Turd Towers 2.0

[AFBlue]

Thisis exactly like the Hill/Kawhi scenario where the Spurs addressed a need from a position of depth...except this time with marginal NBA players.

[TheGoldStandard]

Will he be available on Friday?

[DPG21920]

Because DeColo was such a baller?

Another poster that doesn't get "it". I have already stated that losing De Colo doesn't hurt the team because of the situation. But the fact is, no matter what the depth, that De Colo is a better talent than Daye. Daye does absolutely nothing for this team and actually somewhat lowers the overall talent ceiling (not that it's relevant).

It's not that De Colo was a "baller". He was better than Daye and Daye sucks. That is all.

[crc21209]

The plus is that the Spurs add height, and another SF at least. And we get rid of one of the guards at th end of the bench who wont play anyway. Who knows, maybe with Pop and better players around him, Daye can show some improvement...

[Texas_Ranger]

De Colo will probably be out of the league in half a year. The guy was nothing special in Europe.

And thank god the Spurs noticed they have too many guards.

[bklynspursfan]

Daye probably won't even see a lot of time. Maybe we get lucky with a buyout and won't need him anymore. (if they wanted to go that route I guess)

[DPG21920]

Possible, but highly unlikely. When I have watched him, it appears to be a lack of skill that hurts him, not setting. He's like Danny Green except a worse shooter and not even close to the defender. His handle is awful, shot is not consistent and he's not a good defender.

But you know how people get frustrated when Danny dribbles or tries to drive in traffic? Imagine that, but not having the defense or shooting to make up for it.

[palangi]

Another poster that doesn't get "it". I have already stated that losing De Colo doesn't hurt the team because of the situation. But the fact is, no matter what the depth, that De Colo is a better talent than Daye. Daye does absolutely nothing for this team and actually somewhat lowers the overall talent ceiling (not that it's relevant).

It's not that De Colo was a "baller". He was better than Daye and Daye sucks. That is all.

well I guess you're the only one that gets it!

[DPG21920]

well I guess you're the only one that gets it!

No - several around here do. Also, what I meant about not getting "it" was the context of my post. But welcome to the forum! I can see it's your first visit and I would like to welcome you.

[palangi]

I could be wrong here but I think...I think DPG21 does not like day.

I haven't been able to quite figure it out. But there is 3 different threads of him saying the same thing over and over and over again. Maybe a couple more times and we can figure out his true feelings.

[palangi]

No - several around here do. Also, what I meant about not getting "it" was the context of my post. But welcome to the forum! I can see it's your first visit and I would like to welcome you.

Oh...so if someone agrees with your infinite knowledge then they get it too?

[ChumpDumper]

I could be wrong here but I think...I think DPG21 does not like day.

I haven't been able to quite figure it out. But there is 3 different threads of him saying the same thing over and over and over again. Maybe a couple more times and we can figure out his true feelings.Usually when a poster goes all in like this, the player turns out OK.

[spurs10]

Obviously a good move. Daye is a backup 3/4. It doesn't take a genius to know we were logjammed a the 2. GSG!

[AFBlue]

Obviously a good move. Daye is a backup 3/4. It doesn't take a genius to know we were logjammed a the 2. GSG!

But he's a less talented 3/4 than the 1/2 the Spurs gave up.

[TD 21]

I'm excited for Nando, tbh, he has a good opportunity in Toronto..

He will have a legit shot to earn the backup PG position, along with more minutes at the backup 2 since Vasquez sucks, tbh..

I may have to attend his first home game and cheer that nigga:lol..

He's got a good opportunity if Vasquez won't accept his qualifying offer, they don't want to give him a fairly decent contract and let him go. For this season, barring injury, he's got no chance of cracking their rotation, which is set in stone, especially on the perimeter.


As far as Daye, he's a far worse shooting version of Novak, which is to say: A tall shooter with no defined defensive position. He doesn't at all fill a need for another defender to throw at James/Durant . . . and forget about the buyout period. Granger and Butler will inevitably spurn them and there probably won't be another SF worthwhile available.

I knew this was coming all along, but it's no less frustrating. This front office is a disgrace because the big three allow them to be . . . it's funny, the Pacers, in their first season of legit contention, have gone all in (yeah, Bynum isn't the same and Turner isn't all that good, but still; their intent is clear), with a young core no less and the Spurs, in their umpteenth year of contention, with a core with 2 shots left, have never really done so once.

[palangi]

But he's a less talented 3/4 than the 1/2 the Spurs gave up.
I guess we will find out.

all you that claim to know for sure make me laugh.

[palangi]

He's got a good opportunity if Vasquez won't accept his qualifying offer, they don't want to give him a fairly decent contract and let him go. For this season, barring injury, he's got no chance of cracking their rotation, which is set in stone, especially on the perimeter.


As far as Daye, he's a far worse shooting version of Novak, which is to say: A tall shooter with no defined defensive position. He doesn't at all fill a need for another defender to throw at James/Durant . . . and forget about the buyout period. Granger and Butler will inevitably spurn them and there probably won't be another SF worthwhile available.

I knew this was coming all along, but it's no less frustrating. This front office is a disgrace because the big three allow them to be . . . It's funny, the Pacers, in their first season of legit contention, have gone all in (yeah, Bynum isn't the same and Turner isn't all that good, but still; their intent is clear), with a young core no less and the Spurs, in their umpteenth year of contention, with a core with 2 shots left, have never really done so once.
Man we have a lot of arm chair GM's that have this shit nailed down already.

[AFBlue]

I guess we will find out.

all you that claim to know for sure make me laugh.

I should've used the blue font tbqh. Sorry fwiw.

[ohmwrecker]

I don't know what everyone was expecting tbh. It's not a blockbuster trade, but you have to be a tard if you thought the Spurs were going to pull off a major deal. What do we have to offer? Bonner, Ayres, DeColo? The Spurs have a glut of PGs and NDC was the worst. At least Daye fills a positional need.

[spurraider21]

Ayres + Daye = Turd Towers 2.0
I've been trying to coin the term Dayres tbh

[ohmwrecker]

But he's a less talented 3/4 than the 1/2 the Spurs gave up.

I don't really care for the 3 PG lineup. How many do we need?

[I. Hustle]

Another poster that doesn't get "it". I have already stated that losing De Colo doesn't hurt the team because of the situation. But the fact is, no matter what the depth, that De Colo is a better talent than Daye. Daye does absolutely nothing for this team and actually somewhat lowers the overall talent ceiling (not that it's relevant).

It's not that De Colo was a "baller". He was better than Daye and Daye sucks. That is all.

So another guard on our bench that is already full of guards is better than a 6'11" guy on the bench? OOOHHHHH I get it.

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/oh_i_get_it_fight_club.gif

[mudyez]

I loved De Colo! One of the best Spurs ever.

But who can say no to a Austin Daye (is that the correct spelling?) trade, if they don't even ask for TP9 in return?

[spurraider21]

So De Colo is sitting behind Parker, Mills and Joseph at the 1. He's behind Green, Manu, Marco at the 2. He's an expiring we weren't going to resign anyway. I don't see the harm in dealing him at all :lol

Austin Daye isn't special, but we weren't going to get anything special for Nando. With Leonard out we have been playing undersized guys at the 3, and with Errors and Baynes playing inexplicably horribly, we have had a shortage of big bodies.

[DPG21920]

So another guard on our bench that is already full of guards is better than a 6'11" guy on the bench? OOOHHHHH I get it.

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/oh_i_get_it_fight_club.gif

That is what shows you don't get it. I already explained the trade doesn't really move the needle due to circumstance so it's all for not. This was about analysing the deal at hand. Despite the fact it's largely irrleavant, I don't think there is any argument for Daye being more talented than De Colo no matter the circumstance.

If that is the case, even though Spurs have depth, with TP possibly hobbled, CJ unreliable and Manu constantly injured, I definitely think there is a higher chance that De Colo provided something positive (in the regular season of playoffs) over Daye.

[ace3g]

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[DPG21920]

I don't know what everyone was expecting tbh. It's not a blockbuster trade, but you have to be a tard if you thought the Spurs were going to pull off a major deal. What do we have to offer? Bonner, Ayres, DeColo? The Spurs have a glut of PGs and NDC was the worst. At least Daye fills a positional need.

Not the point - Daye just sucks and no reason to trade a better player for a sucky player no matter what IMO. It's very unlikely it matters at the end of the day, but the point remains.

To your other point, plenty of guys were had very cheaply that were much more talented and obtainable, even if they weren't a great fit. Guys like Turner and Hawes were easily attainable and would have been talent upgrades over the guys they were traded for too.

[ChumpDumper]

Only a matter of time before the fantasy alternate timelines surfaced.

[Johnny RIngo]

2007 off-season or 2013 off-season. Which was more pathetic?

[DPG21920]

I guess we will find out.

all you that claim to know for sure make me laugh.

Well, can you make an educated argument as to why Daye should be considered better? Use box score stats, advanced analytics and any other non-anecdotal evidence to make your case. The point of being on ST, a site dedicated to a love of a team is to analyze things like this and discuss them. What's the point of being an obscure GNSF who's only take is "let's see what happens after the fact"..

[Hoops Czar]

So another guard on our bench that is already full of guards is better than a 6'11" guy on the bench? OOOHHHHH I get it.

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/oh_i_get_it_fight_club.gif

No, you don't get it. If Daye plays more than 5 meaningful minutes, he inevitably hurts the team more than a rarely used SG. I guess because he's 6'11", he should move to the front of the line because the Spurs need bigs and he's big and that makes him useful. Only a clown thinks a player who can't crack a fringe playoff team's roster is good enough to play back up to Kawhi on a contender.

[TD 21]

So De Colo is sitting behind Parker, Mills and Joseph at the 1. He's behind Green, Manu, Marco at the 2. He's an expiring we weren't going to resign anyway. I don't see the harm in dealing him at all :lol

In a vacuum, the trade is fine. It's not about that though. It's about the front office once again not doing their job.

If Leonard get's in foul trouble against the Thunder/Heat, they'd be in serious trouble. If he get's injured against either, they're done. Even if he stays healthy, they're not equipped to play a small ball series.

And before the apologists come out of the wood work with the predictable, if any key player on any contender is injured, they're done, response, that's besides the point. You still have to have a backup plan. They have it with the big three (Splitter, Mills and Belinelli). Obviously they couldn't win the championship without any, but it's conceivable they could win a round or at least have a puncher's chance. If Leonard goes down and it's the wrong match-up, they don't even have that. They'd be flat out done on the spot.

[AFBlue]

I don't really care for the 3 PG lineup. How many do we need?


I should've used the blue font tbqh. Sorry fwiw.

Tbqh

[spurraider21]

In a vacuum, the trade is fine. It's not about that though. It's about the front office once again not doing their job.

If Leonard get's in foul trouble against the Thunder/Heat, they'd be in serious trouble. If he get's injured against either, they're done. Even if he stays healthy, they're not equipped to play a small ball series.

And before the apologists come out of the wood work with the predictable, if any key player on any contender is injured, they're done, response, that's besides the point. You still have to have a backup plan. They have it with the big three (Splitter, Mills and Belinelli). Obviously they couldn't win the championship without any, but it's conceivable they could win a round or at least have a puncher's chance. If Leonard goes down and it's the wrong match-up, they don't even have that. They'd be flat out done on the spot.
Understood, but De Colo wasn't going to contribute there anyway. I think in that scenario, they let Green take Kawhi's spot and insert Manu into the starting unit

[ChumpDumper]

In a vacuum, the trade is fine. It's not about that though. It's about the front office once again not doing their job.

If Leonard get's in foul trouble against the Thunder/Heat, they'd be in serious trouble. If he get's injured against either, they're done. Even if he stays healthy, they're not equipped to play a small ball series.

And before the apologists come out of the wood work with the predictable, if any key player on any contender is injured, they're done, response, that's besides the point. You still have to have a backup plan. They have it with the big three (Splitter, Mills and Belinelli). Obviously they couldn't win the championship without any, but it's conceivable they could win a round or at least have a puncher's chance. If Leonard goes down and it's the wrong match-up, they don't even have that. They'd be flat out done on the spot.Nah, the backup plan is Green, and that's just about better than anyone mentioned in trade talks.

[rjv]

wow, based on the vitriol in here one would think the spurs have the worst FO in the office. the same FO that makes players out of patty mills and danny green.

[ChumpDumper]

wow, based on the vitriol in here one would think the spurs have the worst FO in the office. the same FO that makes players out of patty mills and danny green.Obvious flukes.

[DPG21920]

Daye this year, when playing SF, his opponents have a PER of 36 (small sample size). He himself has a PER of 0. Contrast that to Nando playing SF: Opponents have a PER of 13 and he himself has a PER of 16.

Even at SF, De Colo appears to be better. Even if you look at last year, while Daye's numbers look better than this one with the small sample size of him being awful, De Colo still grades out better as a SF:

Daye: Opp PER 7.9, his own 11.3. De Colo: Opp PER 15.3, his own 22.1. De Colo has been decent in his small time at SF and consistently better than Daye at the position.

[TD 21]

Nah, the backup plan is Green, and that's just about better than anyone mentioned in trade talks.

Green is neither big nor strong enough to defend James and though he could conceivably guard Durant/George some, he's not all that suited to defend them either.

But I'll play along. Leonard is injured, Green takes his spot. Diaw can guard James for stretches, but not the other two, so who does then? Joseph? Do they flat out not play with another perimeter defender in the rotation? Worse yet, what if Green get's in foul trouble? This doesn't even take into account that, if they need him to strictly defend SF's, then they can't have him defend Westbrook/Jackson.

[Johnny RIngo]

the same FO that makes players out of patty mills and danny green.

The same FO that gives Jeff Ayres a portion of the MLE

[ChumpDumper]

Eh, I bet no one here has actually seen him play more than a minute or two.

I'm not going to pimp him, but I'm not going to pretend I have extensively scouted him either.

[DPG21920]

I've watched him play a decent amount. No one has watched him this year very much because he couldn't crack the rotation.

[ChumpDumper]

Green is neither big nor strong enough to defend James
Sorry, Green defended James in the finals.

But we're talking about Lebron James here. Who they hell was available that can effectively guard him or anyone you listed?

And if anyone posts the name Singleton I will die laughing.

[ChumpDumper]

I've watched him play a decent amount.Sure you have, sport.

You know it all.

Thank God we traded for him, otherwise all your extensive scouting of him would be for naught.

[look_at_g_shred]

Don't understand the hate tbh... De Colo would've never cracked the rotation in the playoffs. Obviously Pop knows he's going with Mills/Jospeh as backup PG's based on certain match-ups. There's no way to say Daye will be in the rotation come playoff time. It all depends on his level of play during the weeks leading up to the P/O's. So all this talk about stupid trade or De Colo is better is non-sense. This is coming from the same bunch who wanted De Colo one of the assets for a trade. Comical.

[Johnny RIngo]

Seems like Spurs didn't even give a shit about Daye and only made the trade in order to give DeColo a shot at making it in the NBA. If that's the case, it looks like the front office isn't interested in winning a championship. They seem content in being a doomat for the Thunder.

[rjv]

The same FO that gives Jeff Ayres a portion of the MLE

but that has structured itself to run with the big three in such a way that they have a chance to win and then have generous cap space in two seasons.

[objective]

true. De Colo is better at SF than Daye is and wouldn't cost 250k against next year's cap.

Hard to understand.

[DisAsTerBot]

Seems like Spurs didn't even give a shit about Daye and only made the trade in order to give DeColo a shot at making it in the NBA. If that's the case, it looks like the front office isn't interested in winning a championship. They seem content in being a doomat for the Thunder.

that's a lot of assuming in one post

[DPG21920]

I think the question is not so much "who can stop Durant/Lebron", but who has a better shot of doing the most admirable job. I think at every position except maybe PF/C, that Nando was better than Daye. Again, this is really not a big deal in the scheme of things - more a symptom of the fact the Spurs didn't do anything that anyone could reasonably argue to improve in some areas that most would agree they needed improvement.

Buyout candidates still offer that hope.

[Johnny RIngo]

Don't understand the hate tbh... De Colo would've never cracked the rotation in the playoffs. Obviously Pop knows he's going with Mills/Jospeh as backup PG's based on certain match-ups. There's no way to say Daye will be in the rotation come playoff time. It all depends on his level of play during the weeks leading up to the P/O's. So all this talk about stupid trade or De Colo is better is non-sense. This is coming from the same bunch who wanted De Colo one of the assets for a trade. Comical.

You're incredibly naive if you think a horrid player like Daye will be in the playoff rotation.

[DPG21920]

Sure you have, sport.

You know it all.

Thank God we traded for him, otherwise all your extensive scouting of him would be for naught.

That literally doesn't make any sense. You said you doubt anyone has really watched him. I told you I did especially in DET and said that no one really watched him this year. Only you could turn that into some sort of strange argument or mock that when you yourself said you only doubted many of us watched him :lol

Unless for some reason you think I would lie about it. I watch a lot of basketball. You don't have to agree with my "scouting" report, but even that is ironic considering you seem to imply you didn't really watch him :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Don't understand the hate tbhThen you don't understand SpursTalk.

Barring a buyout acquisition, Green and Diaw are Leonard's backups. I guess people can present their alternative timeline championship trades now.

Haven't seen one yet.

[ChumpDumper]

That literally doesn't make any sense. You said you doubt anyone has really watched him. I told you I did especially in DET and said that no one really watched him this year. Only you could turn that into some sort of strange argument or mock that when you yourself said you only doubted many of us watched him :lol

Unless for some reason you think I would lie about it. I watch a lot of basketball. You don't have to agree with my "scouting" report, but even that is ironic considering you seem to imply you didn't really watch him :lolI stated plainly that I didn't watch him.

And yeah, I doubt you did.

[Chinook]

Green is neither big nor strong enough to defend James and though he could conceivably guard Durant/George some, he's not all that suited to defend them either.

But I'll play along. Leonard is injured, Green takes his spot. Diaw can guard James for stretches, but not the other two, so who does then? Joseph? Do they flat out not play with another perimeter defender in the rotation? Worse yet, what if Green get's in foul trouble? This doesn't even take into account that, if they need him to strictly defend SF's, then they can't have him defend Westbrook/Jackson.

Why do folks always insist Green can't guard SFs? He's done fine on Durant and George, and he was great on James. The problem is that he wears down giving up so much weight that he can't do it enough. He's a great second defender for them, but he'd need a good backup to do it on his own.

Agree they need a competent SF behind Leonard if only for the regular season. But I feel better about Cory against guards than I did a month ago.

[Chinook]

Green is neither big nor strong enough to defend James and though he could conceivably guard Durant/George some, he's not all that suited to defend them either.

But I'll play along. Leonard is injured, Green takes his spot. Diaw can guard James for stretches, but not the other two, so who does then? Joseph? Do they flat out not play with another perimeter defender in the rotation? Worse yet, what if Green get's in foul trouble? This doesn't even take into account that, if they need him to strictly defend SF's, then they can't have him defend Westbrook/Jackson.

Why do folks always insist Green can't guard SFs? He's done fine on Durant and George, and he was great on James. The problem is that he wears down giving up so much weight that he can't do it enough. He's a great second defender for them, but he'd need a good backup to do it on his own.

Agree they need a competent SF behind Leonard if only for the regular season. But I feel better about Cory against guards than I did a month ago.

[HarlemHeat37]

Speaking for myself, I've been saying Daye sucks in every thread, because he does, but I don't have a problem with the actual trade, it doesn't affect the Spurs on either side, tbh..

It's still disappointing that they didn't make a move at the deadline, though, especially after the Ayres debacle..

[DPG21920]

Eh, I bet no one here has actually seen him play more than a minute or two.

I'm not going to pimp him, but I'm not going to pretend I have extensively scouted him either.


I stated plainly that I didn't watch him.

And yeah, I doubt you did.

Well again, that doesn't make any sense then. Did anything I posted about Daye's ability or his numbers give you reason to doubt I watched him more than you? If so, please state your case or at least argue the points I have made with regards to Daye's numbers as a SF vs Nando's. Your definition of not watching him was saying people likely only watched him a few seconds.

I told you I watched him a decent amount (more than a few seconds)

[DPG21920]

Speaking for myself, I've been saying Daye sucks in every thread, because he does, but I don't have a problem with the actual trade, it doesn't affect the Spurs on either side, tbh..

It's still disappointing that they didn't make a move at the deadline, though, especially after the Ayres debacle..

Have you watched Daye more than a few seconds?

[gnsf0946]

At least this will shut up people who weren't satisfied with trades done in the summer.

[Hoops Czar]

Then you don't understand SpursTalk.

Barring a buyout acquisition, Green and Diaw are Leonard's backups. I guess people can present their alternative timeline championship trades now.

Haven't seen one yet.

Since that's the case, I wonder if Daye's buyout papers have hit RC's desk yet?

[ChumpDumper]

Well again, that doesn't make any sense then. Did anything I posted about Daye's ability or his numbers give you reason to doubt I watched him more than you? If so, please state your case or at least argue the points I have made with regards to Daye's numbers as a SF vs Nando's.The fact you went straight to the numbers told me pretty much what I needed to know.

There is no need to argue any numbers. If the Spurs were to rely on either of these players in this season's playoffs, they would simply lose the first series that happened. That's the only comparison that matters. In that respect, they suck equally so I don't understand the gnashing of teeth except for the fact that posters seem to like it a lot.

[T Park]

In a vacuum, the trade is fine. It's not about that though. It's about the front office once again not doing their job.

If Leonard get's in foul trouble against the Thunder/Heat, they'd be in serious trouble. If he get's injured against either, they're done. Even if he stays healthy, they're not equipped to play a small ball series.

And before the apologists come out of the wood work with the predictable, if any key player on any contender is injured, they're done, response, that's besides the point. You still have to have a backup plan. They have it with the big three (Splitter, Mills and Belinelli). Obviously they couldn't win the championship without any, but it's conceivable they could win a round or at least have a puncher's chance. If Leonard goes down and it's the wrong match-up, they don't even have that. They'd be flat out done on the spot.


Another basement genius that doesn't provide a name. amusing at this point.

[HarlemHeat37]

Have you watched Daye more than a few seconds?

I looked into his Synergy footage and metrics when the Raptors acquired him, tbh..

[ChumpDumper]

Since that's the case, I wonder if Daye's buyout papers have hit RC's desk yet?Not sure since he has some money coming next season. Who knows if they think he's salvageable as an NBA player?

Plenty of time available in Austin before buyout deadlines; though things could be accelerated if some foreign team is interested in him.

[Johnny RIngo]

but that has structured itself to run with the big three in such a way that they have a chance to win and then have generous cap space in two seasons.

They could have done all this WITHOUT signing a worthless pos like Ayres. Someone with Jeff's low talent level, injury history(torn ACL), and inexperience(only played 86 games in 3 years) didn't deserve MLE money

[T Park]

Not the point - Daye just sucks and no reason to trade a better player for a sucky player no matter what IMO. It's very unlikely it matters at the end of the day, but the point remains.

To your other point, plenty of guys were had very cheaply that were much more talented and obtainable, even if they weren't a great fit. Guys like Turner and Hawes were easily attainable and would have been talent upgrades over the guys they were traded for too.


Link to where the Spurs didn't attempt to get said players?

Ill wait.

[HarlemHeat37]

T-Park, how devastated would you have been if the Spurs had traded Ayres, tbh?:lol..

[DPG21920]

Well, you don't seem to understand a lot of things tbh..You don't seem to understand that a trade happened and regardless of the impact (which you don't seem to read either because I already prefaced everything by saying the impact was negligible) we on ST are very likely going to analyze it.

You may not like it, but if you don't watch a player (as you admitted) you probably shouldn't intervene in arguments about that player. The fact I went straight to numbers :lol? I had plenty of post about Daye/Nando before the numbers were even brought up so I don't know what you are talking about.

It's not so much a gnashing of teeth as it is discussing whether or not (no matter the impact) I personally like a trade. In this case, while I agree the both suck, I don't agree they suck equally and therefore don't like the trade (even though I understand the deal). It's also a lead into the bigger picture as to whether or not we was fans think the Spurs bolstered their chances, did enough to help themselves win or made mistakes.

Not that we matter, but that's what happens here. People like to discuss the game because they actually watch a lot of basketball. You personally do not appear to like that, but you can get out of ST whatever you want to get out of it.

[Robz4000]

Tbh, what do you think the chances are the Spurs just sign Bertans when he finishes his rehab in a few weeks? No idea what his buyout is but he's been rehabbing here in SA iirc.

[pad300]

Sorry, Green defended James in the finals.

But we're talking about Lebron James here. Who they hell was available that can effectively guard him or anyone you listed?

And if anyone posts the name Singleton I will die laughing.

MUST DO IT!

SINGLETON!

[ohmwrecker]

Not the point - Daye just sucks and no reason to trade a better player for a sucky player no matter what IMO. It's very unlikely it matters at the end of the day, but the point remains.

To your other point, plenty of guys were had very cheaply that were much more talented and obtainable, even if they weren't a great fit. Guys like Turner and Hawes were easily attainable and would have been talent upgrades over the guys they were traded for too.

I don't care if Daye sucks or not. Getting rid of DeColo defines the guard heirarchy and the rotation in general. Every minute NDC played for the Spurs would've have been better served given to Mills or Joseph.

I'm not sure what we could've offered the 76ers for Turner and/or Hawes that was better than what they got tbh.

[DPG21920]

Link to where the Spurs didn't attempt to get said players?

Ill wait.

Where did I say they didn't attempt to get those players? I said those guys (with the benefit of hindsight) went pretty cheaply and the Spurs appeared to have comparable assets.

[TD 21]

Sorry, Green defended James in the finals.

But we're talking about Lebron James here. Who they hell was available that can effectively guard him or anyone you listed?

And if anyone posts the name Singleton I will die laughing.

For about 5 seconds, until James put his ass under the basket, Pop realized he couldn't guard him and went to Diaw as the secondary defender.

There's numerous players they could have gotten as insurance and if they really wanted them, they had the assets to make it happen. If they wanted to go big, there was Young, Green and Chandler. If they wanted to go medium, there was Williams and Clark. If they wanted to small, there was Johnson (before the Grizzlies signed him) and yes, Singleton. No one is suggesting he's any good, but physically, he can guard big, athletic three's.



Why do folks always insist Green can't guard SFs? He's done fine on Durant and George, and he was great on James. The problem is that he wears down giving up so much weight that he can't do it enough. He's a great second defender for them, but he'd need a good backup to do it on his own.

Agree they need a competent SF behind Leonard if only for the regular season. But I feel better about Cory against guards than I did a month ago.

In short stretches, maybe. We're talking roughly 40 mpg over a series. He can't do it. And he was awful on James. Not through any fault of his own of course, he's just flat out not strong enough.

No player as limited and timid as Joseph has any business in a playoff rotation.

The point remains: If Leonard goes down, there's very few teams they could get by against, none of which are the legit contenders. Who tries to win a championship with one player ideally suited for defending the two best players in the world?

[ChumpDumper]

It's not so much a gnashing of teeth as it is discussing whether or not (no matter the impact) I personally like a trade.Well no shit.

And we all knew you wouldn't like it no matter what.

It's as predictable as it is hilarious.

I knew you would gnash your teeth and play the alternative timeline game. It's just what you do.

[ChumpDumper]

For about 5 secondslol

Why do the gnashers have to lie? You guys make yourselves look ridiculous.

[lowdown]

Man, I enjoy reading some stuff on this blog and look forward to getting takes on games & trades, but there is some serious over-reaction to the decisions made by the front office. I will miss seeing Nando as he matures as an NBA player. I quite enjoyed what he brought in his limited minutes with the team - save for the turnovers & defensive mistakes. I wouldn't expect too much from Daye but who know's - I didn't really think Jeff Ayers would get the minutes he's been getting and I sure as hell didn't foresee Matt Bonner playing with this team (with quality minutes much to my dismay) for as long as he has. Still, the playoff rotation as nothing to do with this trade. Parker, Green, Leonard, Duncan, Splitter, Mills, Belinelli, Ginobili, & Diaw is your rotation. Match-ups aside, this is the team and if you think some mid-season trade was going to alter this with what the Spurs had to offer, you are most-likely dreaming. The Spurs are 1 of a few teams that still may win it all and to see anybody learning the Pop system and having good chemistry with this core at this point of the season is not going to happen. This is true with any of the playoff contenders - Pacers might (MIGHT) be an exception but probably not. I thought the Belinelli pick up was solid when I first heard about in the off-season and I sort of scratched my head on the Pendergraph acquisition but everybody analyzing the Buford/Popovich decisions should remember what you witnessed the last 2 nights. Most teams don't have the 6-15 players to be able to pull that shit off. By the way, I'm all for 2nd guessing some of the bone head moves but I think some of the takes have been a bit misplaced for this trading deadline.

[DPG21920]

I don't care if Daye sucks or not. Getting rid of DeColo defines the guard heirarchy and the rotation in general. Every minute NDC played for the Spurs would've have been better served given to Mills or Joseph.

I'm not sure what we could've offered the 76ers for Turner and/or Hawes that was better than what they got tbh.

They didn't get anything but expiring contracts and 2nd round picks and/or buyout candidates. Take guard out of the equation. Nando has been a more effective SF than Daye was well. That comes from not only watching Nando on the Spurs when he's played, but watching Daye then also looking at the numbers to verify what we've seen.

[SpurPadre]

What are the chances we try to get Josh Howard now?

[HarlemHeat37]

Man, I enjoy reading some stuff on this blog and look forward to getting takes on games & trades, but there is some serious over-reaction to the decisions made by the front office. I will miss seeing Nando as he matures as an NBA player. I quite enjoyed what he brought in his limited minutes with the team - save for the turnovers & defensive mistakes. I wouldn't expect too much from Daye but who know's - I didn't really think Jeff Ayers would get the minutes he's been getting and I sure as hell didn't foresee Matt Bonner playing with this team (with quality minutes much to my dismay) for as long as he has. Still, the playoff rotation as nothing to do with this trade. Parker, Green, Leonard, Duncan, Splitter, Mills, Belinelli, Ginobili, & Diaw is your rotation. Match-ups aside, this is the team and if you think some mid-season trade was going to alter this with what the Spurs had to offer, you are most-likely dreaming. The Spurs are 1 of a few teams that still may win it all and to see anybody learning the Pop system and having good chemistry with this core at this point of the season is not going to happen. This is true with any of the playoff contenders - Pacers might (MIGHT) be an exception but probably not. I thought the Belinelli pick up was solid when I first heard about in the off-season and I sort of scratched my head on the Pendergraph acquisition but everybody analyzing the Buford/Popovich decisions should remember what you witnessed the last 2 nights. Most teams don't have the 6-15 players to be able to pull that shit off. By the way, I'm all for 2nd guessing some of the bone head moves but I think some of the takes have been a bit misplaced for this trading deadline.

Good post, tbh..

While I'm disappointed and was hoping the Spurs could acquire another defender to match up with OKC and Houston on the perimeter, ultimately, the Spurs chances will depend on their top 8, particularly Parker's recovery and Leonard's role, tbh..

[T Park]

Where did I say they didn't attempt to get those players? I said those guys (with the benefit of hindsight) went pretty cheaply and the Spurs appeared to have comparable assets.

Who was the Spurs Danny Granger?

[TD 21]

lol

Why do the gnashers have to lie? You guys make yourselves look ridiculous.

lol

Why do the apologists feel the need to be apologists? They were negligent and you know it.

[ace3g]

Elliott on the trade

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2014/02/20/podcast-sean-elliott-talks-spurs-trade-rodeo-trip-and-patty-mills/

[ChumpDumper]

lol

Why do the apologists feel the need to be apologists? They were negligent and you know it.lol negligent

They're doing fine, all injuries considered. I'm sure these last couple of victories have you upset, so I'll let it slide.

[chazley]

To be a rotational NBA player, you have to have an elite skill. The problem with Nando De Colo is he didn't have an elite skill. At least with Daye, he may be a scrub, but you can say his elite skill is 'size', and he has the potential to shoot 40% from 3.

[ohmwrecker]

They didn't get anything but expiring contracts and 2nd round picks and/or buyout candidates. Take guard out of the equation. Nando has been a more effective SF than Daye was well. That comes from not only watching Nando on the Spurs when he's played, but watching Daye then also looking at the numbers to verify what we've seen.

I think I would rather have Granger's exp than Bonner's . . . I mean, forgive me if I'm wrong, but that's more money off the books, right?

I'll reserve judgement on who is the better SF when I see Daye in a Spurs uniform. The main problem with that statement is that the Spurs had a fucking PG playing SF . . . Let's just have a looksee at the dude who is 6'9" and actually plays the position before we say NDC is a better SF . . . What say?

[DPG21920]

Well no shit.

And we all knew you wouldn't like it no matter what.

It's as predictable as it is hilarious.

I knew you would gnash your teeth and play the alternative timeline game. It's just what you do.

That literally makes no sense. It's easy to prove. If you know I am negative about all trades, simply pull up the last trade the Spurs did and see my posts/reactions. Heck, even easier, go into the trade thread for this year and see how many trades I shot down because I wanted to "gnash" my teeth.

Unless you are randomly lying for some reason and just making stuff up, it should be quite easy to prove I would obviously hate any trade.

[Chinook]

In short stretches, maybe. We're talking roughly 40 mpg over a series. He can't do it. And he was awful on James. Not through any fault of his own of course, he's just flat out not strong enough.

No player as limited and timid as Joseph has any business in a playoff rotation.

The point remains: If Leonard goes down, there's very few teams they could get by against, none of which are the legit contenders. Who tries to win a championship with one player ideally suited for defending the two best players in the world?

Green got scored on four times in the first five games (didn't chart the last two) by James. Hell, he blocked him five times. Did you not watch the series at all? It's like you assumed Green couldn't guard James and completely tuned out everything but the bad possessions.

Leonard is about the only player in the league ideally suited to guard James and Durant. That's where 90 percent of his value to the team comes from. When it comes to secondary defenders, Green's about the best you're going to see.

But again, we arent disagreeing on whether the Spurs need another SF, and we definitely aren't disagreeing that they have messed up by not getting one. But they need one to spell Green if Leonard goes down, not replace him.

[TD 21]

lol negligent

They're doing fine, all injuries considered. I'm sure these last couple of victories have you upset, so I'll let it slide.

lol apologist

Since I know you're a devoted reader of my posts, you should know that I'm always about the big picture. Those wins were nice, but do nothing to change the fact that this team has a blatant hole that they refused to fill.

[SupremeGuy]

We got a tall, 3-point shooting backup SF for a player that we rarely used. If we can get him some open look and he nails them, he's already an upgrade over NDC.

[DPG21920]

Who was the Spurs Danny Granger?

From which perspective: Basketball or Financially? Financially, Spurs don't have an individual Granger. Basketball-wise plenty. What about the Hawes trade? Why focus on just the Granger deal if you are trying to make that point.

But you now realized you had to shift your own goal posts because I didn't say the Spurs didn't try, correct?

[DPG21920]

lol

Why do the gnashers have to lie? You guys make yourselves look ridiculous.

Can you prove people are lying? Can you say anything or point to anything specifically that would show I watched him less than you?

[Chinook]

Man, I enjoy reading some stuff on this blog and look forward to getting takes on games & trades, but there is some serious over-reaction to the decisions made by the front office. I will miss seeing Nando as he matures as an NBA player. I quite enjoyed what he brought in his limited minutes with the team - save for the turnovers & defensive mistakes. I wouldn't expect too much from Daye but who know's - I didn't really think Jeff Ayers would get the minutes he's been getting and I sure as hell didn't foresee Matt Bonner playing with this team (with quality minutes much to my dismay) for as long as he has. Still, the playoff rotation as nothing to do with this trade. Parker, Green, Leonard, Duncan, Splitter, Mills, Belinelli, Ginobili, & Diaw is your rotation. Match-ups aside, this is the team and if you think some mid-season trade was going to alter this with what the Spurs had to offer, you are most-likely dreaming. The Spurs are 1 of a few teams that still may win it all and to see anybody learning the Pop system and having good chemistry with this core at this point of the season is not going to happen. This is true with any of the playoff contenders - Pacers might (MIGHT) be an exception but probably not. I thought the Belinelli pick up was solid when I first heard about in the off-season and I sort of scratched my head on the Pendergraph acquisition but everybody analyzing the Buford/Popovich decisions should remember what you witnessed the last 2 nights. Most teams don't have the 6-15 players to be able to pull that shit off. By the way, I'm all for 2nd guessing some of the bone head moves but I think some of the takes have been a bit misplaced for this trading deadline.

Yeah. I've been saying that for a while. The deadline wad mainly about acquiring talent for cheap to me instead of adding to the core rotation. The Spurs have enough to win if everyone is healthy, and no trade was going to help if one of the top seven goes down.

[DPG21920]

I think I would rather have Granger's exp than Bonner's . . . I mean, forgive me if I'm wrong, but that's more money off the books, right?

I'll reserve judgement on who is the better SF when I see Daye in a Spurs uniform. The main problem with that statement is that the Spurs had a fucking PG playing SF . . . Let's just have a looksee at the dude who is 6'9" and actually plays the position before we say NDC is a better SF . . . What say?

Sure, if you mean in a Spurs uniform. I have watched Daye play SF though.

[TD 21]

Green got scored on four times in the first five games (didn't chart the last two) by James. Hell, he blocked him five times. Did you not watch the series at all? It's like you assumed Green couldn't guard James and completely tuned out everything but the bad possessions.

Leonard is about the only player ideally suited to guard James and Durant. That's where 90 percent of his value to the team comes from. When it comes to secondary defenders, Green's about the best you're going to see.

But again, we arent disagreeing on whether the Spurs need another SF, and we definitely aren't disagreeing that they have messed up by not getting one. But they need one to spell Green if Leonard goes down, not replace him.

Only because he rarely guarded him. The blocks were mostly of the chase down/weak side variety. I watched every second of the series . . . too bad you didn't, or you'd know he's physically incapable of guarding him, which Pop quickly realized. He didn't just decide to make Diaw the secondary defender for the hell of it. They clearly wanted to avoid that, given his limited lateral quickness, but they had no other options, because the front office is incapable of doing their job.

Which is not good enough, especially when you consider that this is two seasons in a row he's missed a good amount of time with an injury. I'm not calling him injury prone, but he's not exactly James/Durant, who are apparently indestructible.

Just depends on the match-up. Really, they needed a combo forward, someone who could double as the fourth big. Marvin Williams would have been perfect. Would have given them the flexibility to start Diaw, if they wanted to.

[ChumpDumper]

Can you prove people are lying? Can you say anything or point to anything specifically that would show I watched him less than you?I think we watched him not at all equally tbh, scout.

It's clear you need to have an opinion on every tiny move, and devote a lot of posts to it.

That's cool.

[HI-FI]

There's also literally zero chance Daye is worse than Jeff unless he just shows up the first day and shoots Tim Duncan in the face tbh.
:lol

[DPG21920]

Also, it's not like I won't be rooting for Daye to do well. I don't think he will, but I could be wrong (just like I have been before). But all I have is what I know now.

I was wrong about Kawhi (in the context of trading a young player for a younger player - not so much talent), but I just think Daye sucks.

[Libri]

Reading some old threads about Daye, he has gained only 8 pounds since 2009. He was listed at 205 at one point but has dropped down to 200. He should be 215 or 220 right now.

[ohmwrecker]

Sure, if you mean in a Spurs uniform. I have watched Daye play SF though.

OK. I've seen him play and I'm not impressed either, but if the Spurs can get a PG to play a few passable minutes at SF, maybe an actual SF who is tall can play a few decent minutes in this system.

[ChumpDumper]

Only because he rarely guarded him. The blocks were mostly of the chase down/weak side variety. I watched every second of the series . . . too bad you didn't, or you'd know he's physically incapable of guarding him, which Pop quickly realized. He didn't just decide to make Diaw the secondary defender for the hell of it. They clearly wanted to avoid that, given his limited lateral quickness, but they had no other options, because the front office is incapable of doing their job.

Which is not good enough, especially when you consider that this is two seasons in a row he's missed a good amount of time with an injury. I'm not calling him injury prone, but he's not exactly James/Durant, who are apparently indestructible.

Just depends on the match-up. Really, they needed a combo forward, someone who could double as the fourth big. Marvin Williams would have been perfect. Would have given them the flexibility to start Diaw, if they wanted to.So you were just lying about the five seconds.

Good to know.

Thanks for the alternate timeline though. Those are always great.

[Hoops Czar]

Trading away an expiring to sign up for a year and half of Daye. Goodbye Bonner, hello Daye. Spurs don't do amnesties or buyouts so he'll be on the roster for the duration. The Spurs can add another immovable object to the bottom of the rotation. RC trying to make lemonade out of sour milk yet again. It really is all about the money.

[ohmwrecker]

I'm just happy we don't have 5 PGs anymore. That fact makes this a good trade.

[DPG21920]

I think we watched him not at all equally tbh, scout.

It's clear you need to have an opinion on every tiny move, and devote a lot of posts to it.

That's cool.

Why would I not have an opinion on every move as a Spurs fan on a Spurs message board? You are also being intellectually dishonest trying to pass off any Spurs trade (no matter how insignificant) as a tiny move. Trades and the trade deadline for actual basketball fans is a big deal with a lot of ramifications at times. From a Spurs perspective, they make the least trades in the league, so it is news worthy when they do make a deal IMO.

[TD 21]

So you were just lying about the five seconds.

Good to know.

Thanks for the alternate timeline though. Those are always great.

:lol Taking the five seconds comment literally.

[SupremeGuy]

I'm just happy we don't have 5 PGs anymore. That fact makes this a good trade.Exactly.

[ChumpDumper]

Why would I not have an opinion on every move as a Spurs fan on a Spurs message board? You are also being intellectually dishonest trying to pass off any Spurs trade (no matter how insignificant) as a tiny move. Trades and the trade deadline for actual basketball fans is a big deal with a lot of ramifications at times. From a Spurs perspective, they make the least trades in the league, so it is news worthy when they do make a deal IMO.This is tiny dude.

Deal with that.


:lol Taking the five seconds comment literally.:lol lying

[r0drig0lac]

We got a tall, 3-point shooting backup SF for a player that we rarely used. If we can get him some open look and he nails them, he's already an upgrade over NDC.
this,
persons acting as if the Spurs had lost something in trade

[TD 21]

This is tiny dude.

Deal with that.

:lol lying

:lol Obsessed with using sarcasm, yet unaware of it when you see it.

:lol Criticizing people for having an opinion on a message board.

:lol Thinks anything the front office does is automatically correct.

[DPG21920]

Sure, I already prefaced everything I said with the fact it won't have a large impact. That doesn't change the fact the trade deadline and any move is going to be discussed at length. Hell, you are in here posting away about it - just in a different form. So it's obviously important enough to you to take your valuable time to counterpoint me and others.

Also, I don't get the "wait and see approach". If that's all you do, what's the point of discussing anything? To me, the point is to analyze, use your knowledge and make educated guesses at what you think will happen. If not, it's pretty pointless posting online if you only talk about things that already happened after the fact.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Obsessed with using sarcasm, yet unaware of it when you see it.

:lol Criticizing people for having an opinion on a message board.:lol caught lying.

:lol backtracking.


Sure, I already prefaced everything I said with the fact it won't have a large impact. That doesn't change the fact the trade deadline and any move is going to be discussed at length. Hell, you are in here posting away about it - just in a different form. So it's obviously important enough to you to take your valuable time to counterpoint me and others.

Also, I don't get the "wait and see approach". If that's all you do, what's the point of discussing anything? To me, the point is to analyze, use your knowledge and make educated guesses at what you think will happen. If not, it's pretty pointless posting online if you only talk about things that already happened after the fact.OK, do you keep track of all your hits and misses as an NBA swami?

[Hoops Czar]

this,
persons acting as if the Spurs had lost something in trade

They lost an expiring and gained a guy who will be tying up a roster next year. That in my book is a net negative.

[ohmwrecker]

:lol I'm not taking a "wait and see approach". What else can you do, really? You want a bold prediction? Here it is . . . I think the SF will be a better SF than the PG. There you go. Analysis.

[DPG21920]

:lol caught lying.

:lol backtracking.

OK, do you keep track of all your hits and misses as an NBA swami?

No - that would be silly to me. Although, I am sure if you just asked around for anecdotal evidence, most would say I tend to have a reasonable grasp on things. If it's important for you, you could probably make a poll though. Hell, just make it a head-to-head competition tbh..

I can't measure up to you batting 1000 with your uncanny ability to post your takes after you see how things have unfolded.

[DPG21920]

:lol I'm not taking a "wait and see approach". What else can you do, really? You want a bold prediction? Here it is . . . I think the SF will be a better SF than the PG. There you go. Analysis.

:lol Sure, except I posted actual quantifiable evidence that suggests otherwise.

[ohmwrecker]

:lol Sure, except I posted actual quantifiable evidence that suggests otherwise.

You said you watched him play.

[DPG21920]

You said you watched him play.

Huh? I have watched him play, most notably in DET. You tried to liken you saying "a SF is better at SF than a PG" to what I posted which was quantifiable stats that prove otherwise to date. How does that mean I haven't watched him play?

[Chinook]

Only because he rarely guarded him. The blocks were mostly of the chase down/weak side variety. I watched every second of the series . . . too bad you didn't, or you'd know he's physically incapable of guarding him, which Pop quickly realized. He didn't just decide to make Diaw the secondary defender for the hell of it. They clearly wanted to avoid that, given his limited lateral quickness, but they had no other options, because the front office is incapable of doing their job.

Which is not good enough, especially when you consider that this is two seasons in a row he's missed a good amount of time with an injury. I'm not calling him injury prone, but he's not exactly James/Durant, who are apparently indestructible.

Just depends on the match-up. Really, they needed a combo forward, someone who could double as the fourth big. Marvin Williams would have been perfect. Would have given them the flexibility to start Diaw, if they wanted to.

No, Green blocked James in the post in Game One, forcing a jump ball (which Danny actually won). He also had this gem:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGltzck9wOg

Obviously Green was legendary in transition, but he was great straight up against James as well. I actually charted every defensive possession (outside of garbage time) in the first five games. I know who did what against all the Heat players. Whether Pop thought Green did a good job is incidental, as he didn't allow James to score many points.

Anyway, I meant that Kawhi is the only player in the league who is ideally suited to guard James and Durant. No team has more ideal Lebron/KD defenders than the Spurs as a result. Now, they should get a serviceable one, but they won't find one better than Green. Not Granger, not Clark, not Butler. The only team that has a secondary wing defender in Green's class is the Nets, and that's only because AK doesn't start. It's foolish to expect the team to acquire anything more than a situational forward who could spell the New Two if they got into foul trouble/needed rest in a small-ball heavy series.

[ChumpDumper]

No - that would be silly to me. Although, I am sure if you just asked around for anecdotal evidence, most would say I tend to have a reasonable grasp on things. If it's important for you, you could probably make a poll though. Hell, just make it a head-to-head competition tbh..You answered my question. i can see why you wouldn't want to do it. Your rep is important to you.


I can't measure up to you batting 1000 with your uncanny ability to post your takes after you see how things have unfolded.You can link to where I did that. Thanks.

[Hoops Czar]

19 pages of bliss over this trade at RealGMs. Too bad they overvalue Nando.


http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1305507

[ohmwrecker]

Huh? I have watched him play, most notably in DET. You tried to liken you saying "a SF is better at SF than a PG" to what I posted which was quantifiable stats that prove otherwise to date. How does that mean I haven't watched him play?

I thought you meant that you saying "I watched him play." was equivalent to quatifiable evidence. I don't know what this year's stats are going to tell you about Daye . . . I think he's only played in 8 games or something like that . . . This isn't really that important to argue about too much. Neither one of these dudes was/is going to help the Spurs in the playoffs, more than likely, but at least we don't have 5 PGs anymore.

[DPG21920]

You answered my question. i can see why you wouldn't want to do it. Your rep is important to you.

You can link to where I did that. Thanks.

Sure, first link to how I am lying about watching Daye in addition to me being negative about every trade/move. Until you prove that (which you won't) you are a liar.

Also, if my rep was important to me (which please link me to proof that is true) why would I admit I was wrong just a few posts up about something else? You aren't making a lot of sense.

[palangi]

Well, can you make an educated argument as to why Daye should be considered better? Use box score stats, advanced analytics and any other non-anecdotal evidence to make your case. The point of being on ST, a site dedicated to a love of a team is to analyze things like this and discuss them. What's the point of being an obscure GNSF who's only take is "let's see what happens after the fact"..
I not arguing for him at all. I just find it funny that you act like you know how he will be in our system. already predetermined. I don't think daye is being brought in to be a savior or anything but just a filler piece that we are hoping adds something. But for some reason you have decided to get all huffy and puffy about it like it is the end all be all of the season.

[palangi]

No, you don't get it. If Daye plays more than 5 meaningful minutes, he inevitably hurts the team more than a rarely used SG. I guess because he's 6'11", he should move to the front of the line because the Spurs need bigs and he's big and that makes him useful. Only a clown thinks a player who can't crack a fringe playoff team's roster is good enough to play back up to Kawhi on a contender.
Really? you have proof of him in the spurs system doing this? You have a crystal ball?

[DPG21920]

I not arguing for him at all. I just find it funny that you act like you know how he will be in our system. already predetermined. I don't think daye is being brought in to be a savior or anything but just a filler piece that we are hoping adds something. But for some reason you have decided to get all huffy and puffy about it like it is the end all be all of the season.

No. That's where you are wrong and what I meant by saying you don't get it. I already explained that the trade was irrelevant. Once I established that very early on, I moved on from that aspect to analyze the trade in a bubble. I don't think it's predetermined. I am simply using what I've seen from me watching him + looking at statistical data to make my opinion known. I never said it will wreck the season, in fact I explicitly said otherwise. What I did say is that I think Nando is a better player talent wise and on top of that, I think Nando could help more a SF too than Daye.

[Chomag]

This guy was a worst player on a terrible team, cant believe there are people here that believe this is a helpful trade.

Scrub for a scrub nothing more, but spurs wind up paying more in the end and I'm not sure why there was even any effort put into this trade.

[TD 21]

No, Green blocked James in the post in Game One, forcing a jump ball (which Danny actually won). He also had this gem:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGltzck9wOg

Obviously Green was legendary in transition, but he was great straight up against James as well. I actually charted every defensive possession (outside of garbage time) in the first five games. I know who did what against all the Heat players. Whether Pop thought Green did a good job is incidental, as he didn't allow James to score many points.

Anyway, I meant that Kawhi is the only player in the league who is ideally suited to guard James and Durant. No team has more ideal Lebron/KD defenders than the Spurs as a result. Now, they should get a serviceable one, but they won't find one better than Green. Not Granger, not Clark, not Butler. The only team that has a secondary wing defender in Green's class is the Nets, and that's only because AK doesn't start. It's foolish to expect the team to acquire anything more than a situational forward who could spell the New Two if they got into foul trouble/needed rest in a small-ball heavy series.

I said mostly . . . what's with you guys and the semantics today?

It's not incidental. If he thought Green could physically handle James in the post, he wouldn't have gone to Diaw. It's not just about how many points Green allowed, it's about the reality that they have to provide at least some help, which opens up the three, something they're already poor at defending, given their lack of length/quickness.

They could have. Some of the players that have been discussed ad nauseam would have been better options than Green. As far as them needing a situational forward, I don't disagree. Even though I wanted Williams, Clark would have been fine. Was him or someone of his ilk asking too much?

[ohmwrecker]

This guy was a worst player on a terrible team, cant believe there are people here that believe this is a helpful trade.

Scrub for a scrub nothing more, but spurs wind up paying more in the end and I'm not sure why there was even any effort put into this trade.

The only thing I can figure is the Spurs needed a SF and had way too many PGs. I also haven't really seen anyone lauding this trade, but good grumble anyway. Your perpetual grouchiness is comforting.

[Chewbacca]

Until you prove that (which you won't) you are a liar.




:lmao

[DesignatedT]

All in all I'd rather have another forward than guard for the last roster spot. It just makes sense. Chances are slim to none that he amounts to anything but we already saw enough of Nando here to come to the conclusion that he was too far behind everyone else. No one will know what will happen. Go back and read the Danny Green threads when he was up and down with the Spurs. plenty of people calling him a scrub in those threads as well at the time. While very minor in scope, it's still a good move.

[DPG21920]

Despite how annoying Chump can be, you are worse Chew.

[Chewbacca]

Despite how annoying Chump can be, you are worse Chew.


:lmao

[ElNono]

Should've pried Lebron from Miami... had the 1st round pick to do it too... oh well, opportunity lost...

[spurraider21]

fwiw i'd rather have Daye guarding durant/lebron than De Colo

[spurraider21]

and Green did pretty well in his moments on LeBron in the finals, particularly in transition

[ChumpDumper]

Sure, first link to how I am lying about watching Daye in addition to me being negative about every trade/move. Until you prove that (which you won't) you are a liar. i said what i believe.


Also, if my rep was important to me (which please link me to proof that is true) why would I admit I was wrong just a few posts up about something else? You aren't making a lot of sense.What did you admit you were wrong about?

[HI-FI]

Should've pried Lebron from Miami... had the 1st round pick to do it too... oh well, opportunity lost...
our front office sucks tbh.

[TheGoldStandard]

Front Office: Tim, we know you're getting up there in age and we want to do everything we can to help you win a championship and go out on top. We have scoured every possible trade and even though we spoiled you with Jeff Ayres this summer we went above and beyond. As you know we have been short handed at the forward spot so we reached outbto Toronto.

Tim: Amir Johnson?

FO: No way, better

Tim: valacunas? Pattrick Paterson?

FO: No way better

Tim: chuck Hayes... Tyler hansborough?

FO: no..... Jim boylen said those guys were all scrubs. He was in the 09 draft same as Ayres.... You know.. Austin Daye. Now go win us #5. Oh and if you see Matt out there let him know we have his briefcase full of money for his extension. 4/25 mil

[Chinook]

I said mostly . . . what's with you guys and the semantics today?

It's not incidental. If he thought Green could physically handle James in the post, he wouldn't have gone to Diaw. It's not just about how many points Green allowed, it's about the reality that they have to provide at least some help, which opens up the three, something they're already poor at defending, given their lack of length/quickness.

They could have. Some of the players that have been discussed ad nauseam would have been better options than Green. As far as them needing a situational forward, I don't disagree. Even though I wanted Williams, Clark would have been fine. Was him or someone of his ilk asking too much?

You're preaching to the choir on acquisitions, but it's just crazy anti-Green bias to assume those players are better James defenders.

It literally is about how many points Green allowed. If he stopped James from scoring, he guarded him well. And both he and Leonard had constant help from Duncan (and Splitter before he got glued to the bench) and a guard. The idea that Kawhi did anything single-handedly against James is a myth.

Pop pulled Green in large part because the Heat played so much small ball. It's one thing to run Danny at the three, but there weren't enough legit perimeter player to have Green play the four when Leonard was out. It's not like Danny didn't guard James throughout parts of the whole series.

It's not semantics. James literally scored twice in the post on Green. He overpowered him those times, but he couldn't manage to do that for most of the series. That's because Green's actually a strong post defender, especially for a wing. He was a big in college. To act like random forwards are better just makes no sense.

[DPG21920]

i said what i believe.



So you posted something you couldn't cite, yet ask me to find links?



What did you admit you were wrong about?

You can read - look in the last couple of pages where I posted.

[ElNono]

our front office sucks tbh.

They're drunk with past glories. It all started going downhill when we traded Paul George... never recovered.

[Chomag]

Front Office: Tim, we know you're getting up there in age and we want to do everything we can to help you win a championship and go out on top. We have scoured every possible trade and even though we spoiled you with Jeff Ayres this summer we went above and beyond. As you know we have been short handed at the forward spot so we reached outbto Toronto.

Tim: Amir Johnson?

FO: No way, better

Tim: valacunas? Pattrick Paterson?

FO: No way better

Tim: chuck Hayes... Tyler hansborough?

FO: no..... Jim boylen said those guys were all scrubs. He was in the 09 draft same as Ayres.... You know.. Austin Daye. Now go win us #5. Oh and if you see Matt out there let him know we have his briefcase full of money for his extension. 4/25 mil

I know I shouldn't be laughing but my god this just made my day! Thanks for this man :toast

[DPG21920]

The Spurs FO is easily the best in the league. Easily. That doesn't mean they haven't made mistakes. Spurs if they are healthy (big if) obviously can contend, but the Spurs had some room to improve and made some seemingly poor choices this off season.

[ohmwrecker]

They're drunk with past glories. It all started going downhill when we traded Paul George... never recovered.

We never should've let go Carlos Boozer either.

[TheGoldStandard]

I know I shouldn't be laughing but my god this just made my day! Thanks for this man :toast

In the next scene Tim calls George Karl to confirm he's retiring at the end of the season

[Chomag]

Spurs if they are healthy (big if) obviously can contend, but the Spurs had some room to improve and made some seemingly poor choices this off season.

This and teams got better, some intentionally building their rosters with destroying the Spurs in mind.

[ElNono]

For the amount of minutes Daye is going to get, we might as well have signed Royce White... at least we would be being good sports and promoting mental health treatment...

[ChumpDumper]

So you posted something you couldn't cite, yet ask me to find links? Of course. You claimed something tangible. I can't prove a negative.

Is this really that hard for you.





You can read - look in the last couple of pages where I posted.Nope. Just say "I was completely wrong about _______________."

I want to see if you can do it.

[DPG21920]

This and teams got better, some intentionally building their rosters with destroying the Spurs in mind.

Well, I don't think teams really got better with any moves. OKC is better, but that's because of Durant actually taking a next step in his game (defense has improved, passing/decision making..). Same with the Clips: they added some new pieces but their jump has come from within (Blake beasting and Jordan committing to his role of elite defensive rebounder/finisher).

Spurs had a real shot to (on paper) separate themselves some from the pack. They can still contend without doing that but their margin for error is none compared to other teams.

[jkid12456]

god damnit why couldnt we trade bonner ayres, for a legitimate agressive AMERICAN BIG

[TD 21]

You're preaching to the choir on acquisitions, but it's just crazy anti-Green bias to assume those players are better James defenders.

It literally is about how many points Green allowed. If he stopped James from scoring, he guarded him well. And both he and Leonard had constant help from Duncan (and Splitter before he got glued to the bench) and a guard. The idea that Kawhi did anything single-handedly against James is a myth.

Pop pulled Green in large part because the Heat played so much small ball. It's one thing to run Danny at the three, but there weren't enough legit perimeter player to have Green play the four when Leonard was out. It's not like Danny didn't guard James throughout parts of the whole series.

It's not semantics. James literally scored twice in the post on Green. He overpowered him those times, but he couldn't manage to do that for most of the series. That's because Green's actually a strong post defender, especially for a wing. He was a big in college. To act like random forwards are better just makes no sense.

I don't have an anti-Green bias. On the contrary, I've been a Green fan since before the Spurs even picked him up. He's just not physically strong enough to guard James in the post.

Leonard needs less help though. Ideally, Green needs a full on double team in the post. That is why Pop went away from that match-up.

Whether there was a single straight up block or not is semantics. To act like many of the names I mentioned aren't better suited to defending James makes no sense.

[DPG21920]

Of course. You claimed something tangible. I can't prove a negative.

Is this really that hard for you.




Nope. Just say "I was completely wrong about _______________."

I want to see if you can do it.

Well you posting what you did showed me all I need to know. Your ego and how much you care about your rep is obvious. You ask others to work and then shy away when you get caught. You also look for random extra stuff (like typing out a specific sentence) even after someone already admitted they were wrong :lol

You can certainly prove what you said about me if you weren't lying to make yourself look better. If it was so obvious to everyone I would hate any trade, you can simply go back and look at the last trades the Spurs have done and see my thoughts. If they are all negative, you win. If not, you got caught lying. It's really not that difficult.

[Chomag]

Well, I don't think teams really got better with any moves. OKC is better, but that's because of Durant actually taking a next step in his game (defense has improved, passing/decision making..). Same with the Clips: they added some new pieces but their jump has come from within (Blake beasting and Jordan committing to his role of elite defensive rebounder/finisher).

Spurs had a real shot to (on paper) separate themselves some from the pack. They can still contend without doing that but their margin for error is none compared to other teams.

I was referring more to Portland and Houston but I understand what you mean. Im just very concerned that the Spurs didn't counter anything that the other teams were doing this season. It really is like a giant chest match sometimes.

[Libri]

The Spurs FO is easily the best in the league. Easily. That doesn't mean they haven't made mistakes. Spurs if they are healthy (big if) obviously can contend, but the Spurs had some room to improve and made some seemingly poor choices this off season.

So you're saying that this is an unnecessary gamble. After all, this is another Spurs attempt to find a savior. I'm guessing they're thinking, eventually we'll hit the big one.

[Chewbacca]

Your ego and how much you care about your rep is obvious. You ask others to work and then shy away when you get caught. You also look for random extra stuff (like typing out a specific sentence) even after someone already admitted they were wrong :lol

You can certainly prove what you said about me if you weren't lying to make yourself look better. If it was so obvious to everyone I would hate any trade, you can simply go back and look at the last trades the Spurs have done and see my thoughts. If they are all negative, you win. If not, you got caught lying. It's really not that difficult.


:lmao

[Spur|n|Austin]

god damnit why couldnt we trade bonner ayres, for a legitimate agressive AMERICAN BIG

Got something against overseas players? Spurs have made quite the business on international players.

[ChumpDumper]

Well you posting what you did showed me all I need to know. Your ego and how much you care about your rep is obvious. You ask others to work and then shy away when you get caught. You also look for random extra stuff (like typing out a specific sentence) even after someone already admitted they were wrong :lol

You can certainly prove what you said about me if you weren't lying to make yourself look better. If it was so obvious to everyone I would hate any trade, you can simply go back and look at the last trades the Spurs have done and see my thoughts. If they are all negative, you win. If not, you got caught lying. It's really not that difficult.
I knew you wouldn't be able to say you were wrong.

It's that important to you.

I made a negative claim that impossible to prove. It is simply my belief. I doubt you posted anything about Daye before and all the sudden you are spouting advanced stats to argue trading de Colo was a mistake somehow and will cost us a championship.

It's what you do.