does .4 still piss you off?

[td4mvp3]

i watched this year's dvd for the umpteenth time today and realized that winning it all still hasn't made up for that shot. i figured it would be the first thing on the dvd, but i didn't see the actual shot when it actually happened. after watching all the celebration and stuff after tim's shot, i find myself really wishing they had won it that year and mad at having to look at fisher's shot again.

[iminlakerland]

:) fishers shot brings a smile to my face :)

[mavsfan1000]

I am pissed about that shot because of Fisher and the Lakers running out of the gym as quickly as they can to make sure they don't review or change their mind. I hate that Lakers team. It should be .7 because the clock didn't start on time thanks to a slow reaction on the clock keeper.

[Mixability]

well maybe it wouldn't piss me off so much if people would stop bringing it up.......... hint hint :pctoss

[Trainwreck2100]

:) fishers shot brings a smile to my face :)

This (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5397513/) often brings a smile to my face.

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[HB22inSA]

Who's to say the Spurs would have gone on and won?

[Banks91]

Thats one thing i dont like about the spurs, the way they can 1 minute absolutely dominate, make u think the opponent has no chance, then lose or get blown after.

The lakers series we had 2-0 , and not just a any 2-0 lead, it seemed that series was
gonna go 4 or 5 games max, but look wat happened. Same thing seattle this year, 2 blowouts for a 2-0, almost lose that series. The finals another example. Its almost like they wanna show their dominance early , then they go into cruise mode or something.

[Banks91]

Thats why people say we have no killer instinct, we cant seem to crush people after we've got them down and almost out

[mavsfan1000]

At least the Pistons beat the Lakers. I am glad Malone went out ringless. :lol

[spurster]

No.

Sports is about the good and the bad. The highs and the lows. The thrill of victory and the agony of defeat. That is what makes it fun and interesting.

[David Bowie]

Yah, it still pisess me off. And it pisess me off that every other week someone asks that question.

[samikeyp]

No.

[ObiwanGinobili]

of course.
it was total BS.
if i think on it too long ... i still want to punch something. :flipoff

[usckk]

Yeah, yes it does.

[CubanMustGo]

Championships since .4:

San Antonio 1
Los Angeles 0

'nuff said.

[Merlin]

Who's to say the Spurs would have gone on and won?

Well, they would have been up 3-1 (I think?) and it would have been a different series. Totally different.

Actually, at one time it was an unofficial rule among the refs (or maybe some announcer came up with that) that you couldn't get a shot off ( unless it was a tip in) in under .5 seconds. It was impossible for him to catch and shoot the way he did in .4 seconds. That is what they called home court advantage.

[Spurminator]

Absolutely.

[Mixability]

Well, they would have been up 3-1 (I think?) and it would have been a different series. Totally different.

Actually, at one time it was an unofficial rule among the refs (or maybe some announcer came up with that) that you couldn't get a shot off ( unless it was a tip in) in under .5 seconds. It was impossible for him to catch and shoot the way he did in .4 seconds. That is what they called home court advantage.

It wouldve been 3-2, and also it was on the Spurs homecourt, so there wasn't much of an advantage.

[Leetonidas]

Championships since .4:

San Antonio 1
Los Angeles 0

'nuff said.

[tmtcsc]

Nope. What pissed me off was the way we we played the first 3 quarters of that game. We didn't deserve to win and I am not so sure we would have beaten them in 7 games. Somewhere in Los Angeles we lost our way. LA wanted it more than we did. They were humiliated in games 1 and 2 and responded by kicking our asses in 4 straight games. If we had won that game, we would have went back to LA up 3-2. Instead, LA went on to crack the team with the best record in the league in 6 games too. They were the better team in '03.

Detroit exposed them and played hungrier than the Lakers. LA reverted back to playing lazy defense and playing selfishly.

[LA'$ finest]

i got da shirt if anyone wants it. i bought 2 of em

[TheDude]

no doubt, fucking clock started late.

[Dex]

Looking back on the contrast that came from going from such a HIGH point...to such a low point...in such an impossible amount of time...will always sting a bit. I'll never forget how pissed I was after Fisher made that shot. Probably will forever rank as the worst moment of being a Spurs fan for me. (At least, we can only hope)

However, I said if the Spurs came back and played like champions this year, then they would redeem themselves. And they did. So currently, no. You could say I'm over it now.

It was a tough lesson to learn, but you can be damn sure the Spurs will never think a game is over until the clock reaches 00:00.0

[Dex]

At least the Pistons beat the Lakers. I am glad Malone went out ringless.


worddddddddddddddd

And yes, even though I wasn't completely against the whole Malone to SA thing, this little fact still makes me happy. Especially since we got ours without him, and you know he's got to be kicking himself for it now.

[iminlakerland]

some of you people continue to bitch about the fact that the clock started late on that possession. Folks when tim duncans shot cleared the net there should have been .8 on the shotclock so the argument that the clock started late and took him .7 to get the shot off is just a cry baby excuse. Get the fuck over it your team lost that series, they had every opportunity to win.

On the other hand your team came back from that shot and dissapointment and won themselves a title. Hats off to them, but some of you just bitch n whine waaaaaaaaaaaaay to much and are begining to sound like kings fans.

[ca®lo]

i still does.. and i think it always will.

for some reason.. i just watched that games replay last night.. after duncan made his shot.. i switched channels

[dunkman]

The Lakers ware playing much better, and with the Spurs winning game 5, the Spurs would had probably lost the series anyway. Even winning that series, Minnesota was a problematic matchup, and the Larry Brown Pistons ware definitely better than the Spurs in 2004.

Manu wasnt playing the same level as this year. Duncan was slowed down by an injury. We had no good backup PG. Horry was nervious. Hedo was playing awful during the playoffs. The Pistons would have won anyway.

[ambchang]

Well, they would have been up 3-1 (I think?) and it would have been a different series. Totally different.

Actually, at one time it was an unofficial rule among the refs (or maybe some announcer came up with that) that you couldn't get a shot off ( unless it was a tip in) in under .5 seconds. It was impossible for him to catch and shoot the way he did in .4 seconds. That is what they called home court advantage.

It was 0.3, so the rule stands.
The shot was an amazing shot, but for every 0.4, there's the memorial day miracle, and there was the Horry shot. At least the Spurs are up 2-1 in that department.

[Sense]

No.

[ambchang]

Thats one thing i dont like about the spurs, the way they can 1 minute absolutely dominate, make u think the opponent has no chance, then lose or get blown after.

The lakers series we had 2-0 , and not just a any 2-0 lead, it seemed that series was
gonna go 4 or 5 games max, but look wat happened. Same thing seattle this year, 2 blowouts for a 2-0, almost lose that series. The finals another example. Its almost like they wanna show their dominance early , then they go into cruise mode or something.

It has more to do with the Spurs offensive predictability than that "killer instinct". The Spurs, prior to this year, was the most offensively predictable team in the league, probably ever. Dump the ball to Duncan, 4 guys stand around and watch. It takes a couple of games to figure them out, and it's very much like the George Karl Sonics, they are great in the regular season, but when teams have a 5/7 game series to figure them out, they are much easier to beat.
A huge part of the Spurs success this year during the playoffs is their unpredictability. Manu off the bench, him freelancing and creating in the 4th quarter, lesser reliance on Duncan on offense and Barry and Horry offering different dimensions off the bench, these are all things that catch other teams off-guard, and require them to watch tape to come up with ways to match it up.
Very rarely has there been a team in the history where you KNOW exactly what they are going to do, and they do it over and over and over again to win a championship. It's one of the main reasons Malone and Stockton never won a championship, it's also why Barkley with his park his butt in the paint offense never won anything. Pop has grown as a coach, and is more willing to try different things, this makes the Spurs a much better team.

[David Bowie]

It has more to do with the Spurs offensive predictability than that "killer instinct". The Spurs, prior to this year, was the most offensively predictable team in the league, probably ever. Dump the ball to Duncan, 4 guys stand around and watch. It takes a couple of games to figure them out, and it's very much like the George Karl Sonics, they are great in the regular season, but when teams have a 5/7 game series to figure them out, they are much easier to beat.
A huge part of the Spurs success this year during the playoffs is their unpredictability. Manu off the bench, him freelancing and creating in the 4th quarter, lesser reliance on Duncan on offense and Barry and Horry offering different dimensions off the bench, these are all things that catch other teams off-guard, and require them to watch tape to come up with ways to match it up.
Very rarely has there been a team in the history where you KNOW exactly what they are going to do, and they do it over and over and over again to win a championship. It's one of the main reasons Malone and Stockton never won a championship, it's also why Barkley with his park his butt in the paint offense never won anything. Pop has grown as a coach, and is more willing to try different things, this makes the Spurs a much better team.




:tu Good post.

[MajicMan]

I am pissed about that shot because of Fisher and the Lakers running out of the gym as quickly as they can to make sure they don't review or change their mind. I hate that Lakers team. It should be .7 because the clock didn't start on time thanks to a slow reaction on the clock keeper.

Lmao :lol @ the sidebustin Mavsfan tryin to get some side action. Your team sucks so bad that you have to bandwagon San Antonio just to throw jabs at us Lakers. Mavs have no real ammo of their own to fire off at us so hey let's pretend that being a Mavs fan is just like being a SAS fan. :blah :blah :elephant Get the fuck out out of here. Wake me up when Dirk becomes a superstar. Tell me when he gains an ounce of toughness. Tell your Herman Munster looking owner that he can't buy a championship. Obviously money can't buy him a haircut either or a new jersey aside from the same one he wears everyday. Why was your owner handing out jock straps and Gatorade from the bench in the playoffs? :lol This is a legitimate gripe between Laker and Spurs fans ok. Of course you can have an opinion but when it becomes agenda then you deserve to be ripped a new one. Lmao I can write a whole page but I'm going to stop here.

[LilMissSPURfect]

Spurs are always CHAMPIONS in my BOOK!

[TOP-CHERRY]

Nah... We piss off far too many more teams far more often, so it's only fair that we get a taste of our own medicine once in a while.

:D

(Of course, if we hadn't gotten our ring, I wouldn't be so forgiving. ;) )

[Taking it to the Hole]

What pisses me off is that we didn't get another crack to play that same Lakers team last year. It would have been really sweet to get revenge on them in the playoffs, but the whole Lakers organization pretty much went down the gutter when Kobe started to think he was Jesus and Shaq started to think he was God. Oh by the way, Jerry Buss, doesn't it bother you that Phi Jackson is slamming your daughter every night. Great way to run an organization there Jerry!

[MajicMan]

What pisses me off is that we didn't get another crack to play that same Lakers team last year. It would have been really sweet to get revenge on them in the playoffs, but the whole Lakers organization pretty much went down the gutter when Kobe started to think he was Jesus and Shaq started to think he was God. Oh by the way, Jerry Buss, doesn't it bother you that Phi Jackson is slamming your daughter every night. Great way to run an organization there Jerry!

What goes around comes around right? He's banging other peoples young daughters so I guess it's only fair that some old dude is banging his.

[Merlin]

It was 0.3, so the rule stands.
The shot was an amazing shot, but for every 0.4, there's the memorial day miracle, and there was the Horry shot. At least the Spurs are up 2-1 in that department.

Regardless of what the rule is/was, you can't catch and shoot in .4 seconds. Impossible.

[Dex]

On a further note....

Seeing the Laker's plunge into mediocrity was payback enough.


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Haw Haw!

[ICE3000]

Yes It Still Chaps My Ass

[Horry For 3!]

I was pretty pissed/shocked when it happened. When it was total bullshit cause the clock started late and such. But now I don't really care. Spurs are going on to win more titles while the Lakers fall back into a draft team. Sucks to be the Lakers & Lakers Fans :)

[Horry For 3!]

:) fishers shot brings a smile to my face :)
:flipoff you LL! :)

[spurschick]

If I watch the whole game, I tend to tear up at the end. After Tim's shot, I thought for sure they had the win. The Spurs worked so hard and looked so dejected. :depressed

[MajicMan]

Talking big and inheriting our left overs only after the fact that we took ourselves out of contention is real tough guys. Atleast Shaq and Kobe are not no.1 lotto picks. Don't forget you got D.Rob and T.D. by sucking big time. One bad year doesn't take away from what the organization has done or us kicking your asses all those years.

[iminlakerland]

:flipoff you LL! :)

:lol

[Sense]

What kind of fan would bring it up?

[ambchang]

Talking big and inheriting our left overs only after the fact that we took ourselves out of contention is real tough guys. Atleast Shaq and Kobe are not no.1 lotto picks. Don't forget you got D.Rob and T.D. by sucking big time. One bad year doesn't take away from what the organization has done or us kicking your asses all those years.
? The record from 99 to 04 in head to head is 3-2, advantage lakers, I wouldn't call that a major ass kicking.
Also, it's nice to build teams from smart trades and draft picks (Robinson, Duncan, Elliott, Manu, Parker, Kerr, Horry), rather than tampering.
And Shaq was a no1 pick, it's just that Orlando picked him.
And if you want to somehow discount drafting #1 picks for championship (why?), just see the five champions in the 80's, and look at Magic and Worthy.

[Horry For 3!]

:lol
You love it! :smokin

[iminlakerland]

Yes i do love that shot oh so much :) that i do love

[Horry For 3!]

Yes i do love that shot oh so much :) that i do love
You love the fact that I flipped you off more though. :king

[iminlakerland]

lol yes i loved seeing an emoticon flippin me off...can you do it more often thats how much i love it

[Brutalis]

I can let it go as it being the past, something we obviously overcame the best possible way. That sort of made a statement to our wills as they lost like they were lost, and we turned around and won it all.

I looked back and this whole issue reminded me of some lyrics I know, in which I tweaked the words for basketball relation.

"If you fail to see a problem,
(Which I find hard to believe)
Or if you're hanging on from branches
Catching the waves on your beach you say
"The hopelessness of losing Shaq, the childishness of winning Kobe"
But there's a call to love more my friends
That can never be destroyed however much you talk,
However well you talk you make a certain sense
It's still only stupid talk, however much I strut around,
However loud I sing, the Shining Trophy doesnt have to say anything"

So yeah like I said it's over and done with, but they lost twice in the process.

[Brutalis]

It has more to do with the Spurs offensive predictability than that "killer instinct". The Spurs, prior to this year, was the most offensively predictable team in the league, probably ever. Dump the ball to Duncan, 4 guys stand around and watch. It takes a couple of games to figure them out, and it's very much like the George Karl Sonics, they are great in the regular season, but when teams have a 5/7 game series to figure them out, they are much easier to beat.
A huge part of the Spurs success this year during the playoffs is their unpredictability. Manu off the bench, him freelancing and creating in the 4th quarter, lesser reliance on Duncan on offense and Barry and Horry offering different dimensions off the bench, these are all things that catch other teams off-guard, and require them to watch tape to come up with ways to match it up.
Very rarely has there been a team in the history where you KNOW exactly what they are going to do, and they do it over and over and over again to win a championship. It's one of the main reasons Malone and Stockton never won a championship, it's also why Barkley with his park his butt in the paint offense never won anything. Pop has grown as a coach, and is more willing to try different things, this makes the Spurs a much better team.

I agree for the most part.

Our team last year wasn't all that great to begin with but yet the shot was bogus. Oh well, we still could have busted the Pistons for a 2-peat.

[Horry For 3!]

lol yes i loved seeing an emoticon flippin me off...can you do it more often thats how much i love it
Really? :) Well heres another one for ya! :flipoff :lol

[iminlakerland]

yes that emoticon is just so damn sexy

[cecil collins]

If they were the Utah Lakers, that wouldn't have been a shot. They started the clock late, and any reasonable person knows that. There is not time for a catch, turn around, jump, and shoot in .4 seconds.

[MissAllThat]

What is this .4 you speak of? Sorry, I have no recollection of this incident.

[Pistonfan1]

I enjoyed seeing the whole Lakers team faces after my pistons beat the living shit out of those pricks. They pulled 1 win out of their ass thats how much better we were then they were. Game 5 when we just humilated those punks brings tears of joy to my eyes. Losing to the spurs sucked but I can enjoy the humilation we gave those chumps in the finals

[Jimcs50]

i watched this year's dvd for the umpteenth time today and realized that winning it all still hasn't made up for that shot. i figured it would be the first thing on the dvd, but i didn't see the actual shot when it actually happened. after watching all the celebration and stuff after tim's shot, i find myself really wishing they had won it that year and mad at having to look at fisher's shot again.


GET OVER IT!!!

[td4mvp3]

GET OVER IT!!!
get over what?

[Jimcs50]

get over what?

That loss.

It is over....move on. I have not thought about that since last year at this time.

[mavsfan1000]

Lmao :lol @ the sidebustin Mavsfan tryin to get some side action. Your team sucks so bad that you have to bandwagon San Antonio just to throw jabs at us Lakers. Mavs have no real ammo of their own to fire off at us so hey let's pretend that being a Mavs fan is just like being a SAS fan. :blah :blah :elephant Get the fuck out out of here. Wake me up when Dirk becomes a superstar. Tell me when he gains an ounce of toughness. Tell your Herman Munster looking owner that he can't buy a championship. Obviously money can't buy him a haircut either or a new jersey aside from the same one he wears everyday. Why was your owner handing out jock straps and Gatorade from the bench in the playoffs? :lol This is a legitimate gripe between Laker and Spurs fans ok. Of course you can have an opinion but when it becomes agenda then you deserve to be ripped a new one. Lmao I can write a whole page but I'm going to stop here.

It was more that I hate the lakers than being a spurs fan. How do you love Detroit. I enjoyed that 5 game sweep. I also enjoyed the Clippers having a better record than your team.

[td4mvp3]

That loss.

It is over....move on. I have not thought about that since last year at this time.
but you still haven't answered the question. this isn't about the fairness of the shot or memories about the thing, it's about if the championship has changed your feelings about the shot. "moving on" doesn't mean never bringing it up again. hell, it's the start of the dvd i paid for, why not talk about the thing? and if the answer is because it's been talked about ad naseum, why even post a response?

[CharlieMac]

Only when I think about it.

[mookie2001]

the clock started late

[mavsfan1000]

Does .7 piss you off?

[CharlieMac]

the clock started late

It had to have started late. How else would Stern get his Lakers vs. Lakers "Dream Finals match-up"?

[iminlakerland]

refer to my earlier posts in this thread for all you complainers...

also how is a best of 4 series a 5 game sweep?

[David Bowie]

refer to my earlier posts in this thread for all you complainers...

also how is a best of 4 series a 5 game sweep?


Because the Pistons dominated that game and happened to be on the loosing end due to a clutch shot.

[bobbyjoe]

Not really. The year before Horry's shot was like 3/4 the way down and the Spurs got a lucky bounce in Game 5. Then the lucky 0.4 shot, so in a sense it basically evened out.

[Trainwreck2100]

Not really. The year before Horry's shot was like 3/4 the way down and the Spurs got a lucky bounce in Game 5. Then the lucky 0.4 shot, so in a sense it basically evened out.

Please, that year Horry was like 3/30 in the 3 pointers in the POs

[batman2883]

Fuck yeah .4 still pisses me off, i went around yelling in my house when Duncan made that shot, and i even broke some of my parents freaking fragile stuff in the kitchen out of pure joy, then i sat down and watched Derek Fisher rob the Spurs of a victory, and i felt sick, i was literally going to throw up, it was just sick......4 seconds is not enough time to grab the ball turn around jump and shoot.

[Ishta]

yes, it still bothers me a bit, but when I feel it coming on I look at Kobe's ad for Kleenex and feel so much better!!

[LilMissSPURfect]

Regardless of what the rule is/was, you can't catch and shoot in .4 seconds. Impossible.


that is the fact that kills me! THE NBA instilled rules for a reason but throws them out the door when it involves the LAKERS

:pctoss

[UTSARoadrunnerBBFan]

Doesn't piss me off. Look where the teams have headed since. =)

[Nash to Amare]

Greatest moment in nba history. I have never seen such a clutch shot like that. San Antonio did everything they could to try to win that game but the lakers were just better. The Lakers remind me of the 05-06 heat because of adding more talent after already having a superior talented team over the spurs but injuries got the best of them.

[samikeyp]

Greatest moment in nba history. I have never seen such a clutch shot like that.

see Jordan, Michael and West, Jerry.

[ambchang]

So Nash to Amare = Spursdaone .... any other aliases?

[samikeyp]

It all equals Mouse.

[Nash to Amare]

So Nash to Amare = Spursdaone .... any other aliases?
The truth hurts. Miami is now better than San Antonio.

[samikeyp]

The truth hurts. Miami is now better than San Antonio.

Why because you say so?

Looks like to me everyone is still 0-0. Besides until playoff time, none of these moves anyone makes means shit.

[TDfan2007]

I'm going to be real, I cried when fisher's shot went through. When Tim's shot went in I was like "okay, we deserve to win", but I was wrong.

What eases the pain (and basically takes it away) is the fact that the Lakers organization basically imploded and the Spurs won a championship.

I had completely forgotten about .4 until I saw the championship video.

So yes and no.

[TDfan2007]

The truth hurts. Miami is now better than San Antonio.

the truth is Miami isn't shit until the regular season starts.

[Nash to Amare]

You better hope that Wade or Shaq get injured because I don't see the spurs stopping either player or even doing a decent job. The spurs no longer have Robinson that can slow Shaq down and they don't have a young Bowen which equals Wade domination. Combine that with Posey's tenacious defense and Williams point guard skills equals championship.

[bigbendbruisebrother]

Hell no it doesn't still piss me off. My whole life, I've only been a fan of two teams--the Houston Oilers and the San Antonio Spurs. Throughout my adolescence and well into adulthood, both teams found new and inventive ways to teach me to never count on any victory until the game was over.

Thankfully, the Oilers were put to death.

On the other hand, the Spurs have brought us all a lot of joy since 99. I've learned to take the losses when they come and however they come--the three titles have more than made up for them. 20+ years of futility will give you some perspective.

[Mixability]

You better hope that Wade or Shaq get injured because I don't see the spurs stopping either player or even doing a decent job. The spurs no longer have Robinson that can slow Shaq down and they don't have a young Bowen which equals Wade domination. Combine that with Posey's tenacious defense and Williams point guard skills equals championship.


Dude, are you serious?!?! :drunk Oh no, Bruce is a year older, guess what? Shaq is too! Jason Williams and championship should never been in the same sentence.

[samikeyp]

You better hope that Wade or Shaq get injured because I don't see the spurs stopping either player or even doing a decent job. The spurs no longer have Robinson that can slow Shaq down and they don't have a young Bowen which equals Wade domination. Combine that with Posey's tenacious defense and Williams point guard skills equals championship

You better hope the Joe Johnson deal falls through otherwise Phx is going to have a hard time getting to the WCF.

[Nash to Amare]

Centers last a long time. Look at Kareem Abul Jabbar. Guards rely more on speed than big men and that is why age will effect Bowen more than Shaq.

[samikeyp]

Yeah....age isn't affecting Shaq any. :rolleyes

He is like one of those C-5's that used to be at Kelly AFB.....so big that they break under their own weight just standing there.

[Nash to Amare]

Shaq relies on power and he will always have that. He might not be able to play alot of minutes like he used to but he still is effective. He was having a great year last year until the injury right at the start of the playoffs that was bad timing. People were even considering him a MVP candidate before that injury which was bad luck.

[Nash to Amare]

I already know that the Suns won't win the championship. You don't have to convince me of that.

[samikeyp]

He might not be able to play alot of minutes like he used to

hence the problem right there. When do you play him then.....at the end when the game is out of reach...or at the beginning then the other team comes back.

[samikeyp]

I already know that the Suns won't win the championship. You don't have to convince me of that.

so you are going to ignore your team and pimp the Heat? or is it just that you are anti-Spur?

[Nash to Amare]

If Mourning comes back you get 48 minutes of solid center work. Shaq won't be needed to play heavy minutes.

[Nash to Amare]

so you are going to ignore your team and pimp the Heat? or is it just that you are anti-Spur?
It is called the truth. Heat>Spurs. Heat>Suns and the Spurs>Suns. I'll admit that about the suns but you should admit that the heat are better.

[samikeyp]

its the truth because you say it is? What if I don't think the Heat are better? I should lie?

[samikeyp]

The Heat have not proven they are better.

[ambchang]

The truth hurts. Miami is now better than San Antonio.

Why would Nash to Amare = Spursdaone hurts? And what does that have to do with Miami is now better than San Antonio? Just a bunch of random quotes you have.

[Taking it to the Hole]

It doesn't bother me that much anymore because when you think about it, Payton and Malone will probably never have a championship and it is highly probable that Shaq or Kobe will never have another one as well. Shaq is at the end of the road. I doubt he gets through this year injury-free and Kobe is too busy sabotaging his team and committing crimes to focus on winning. The facts remain simple, Kobe and Shaq needed each other, because neither of them has proven that they can win it all without the other. At least Tim has proven to all his critics that he can win one without David. To me, Tim has proved more then Kobe and Shaq ever will.

[A Serbian Beast]

i wanted teh spurs to win that game. once duncan hit that crazy shot i thought it was over. then it happened. i was stunned. couldnt believe what i just saw. but that worked out the best for me.

[Taking it to the Hole]

You know what is really funny about the Suns fans? They are such bad losers. They still can't except the fact that they were schooled during the playoffs. The thing that should worry everybody in the league is that the Spurs can play any style you play and play it better. Miami can't do that. Detroit can't do that. Phoenix sure as hell can't do that. All those teams are still one-dimensional. The Spurs are the most versatile team in the league and adapt better to changing game situations then any team. That is what really makes the difference when a championship is on the line. Phoenix fans need to understand that they will never win a championship until they start accepting that they actually need to learn how to play like a team and maybe try to do more than one thing. Phoenix is sadly predictable. You stop the ball, you stop the break,and you win the game.The funny thing is that Suns fans actually believe Kurt Thomas is actually going to make a difference? :lol I imagine that Tim is the happiest he ever has been in a long time now that he has a scrub like Thomas to practice on during games. Thanks for the help Phoenix! :elephant

[HeatChamps]

San Antonio can't play the slow it down game against Miami where Shaq and Wade get to the free throw line consistently. Nash to Amare is a smart suns fan. Mourning will be in shape next year so be ready.

[ambchang]

Man, ANOTHER alias? It's getting quite sad now. Be creative, stop coming up with new screennames to back up your own statements.

[samikeyp]

Man, ANOTHER alias?

Mouse is on his game today.

[TheWriter]

Why do you guys feed Mouse?

Never feed the animals.

[Taking it to the Hole]

San Antonio can't play the slow it down game against Miami where Shaq and Wade get to the free throw line consistently. Nash to Amare is a smart suns fan. Mourning will be in shape next year so be ready.

The Spurs have always been able to play the slow it down game. That has been their foundation for a long time. The only thing that has hurt the Spurs is their free throw shooting, which Chip Engelland should remedy. I know for a fact that the game we had against the Heat in Miami last year would have resulted in a win had we made our free throws because the game wasn't dominated by either team and you won by only a couple of points clearly showing my point that the Heat is one-dimensional. And also if your pinning your hopes on Alonzo Mourning to help take you to the next level, well you might as well forfeit the entire season right now, because Mourning won't matter nearly as much as you think he will. He is far past his prime and if he was smart, he would have retired this season, but some people never learn. Shaq is a step slower on every play even when he was healthy and I'm sure his "big toe" will keep him out of many games this next year, because he has never been the type of player who will tough out playing on two severely sprained ankles like some people I know( hint hint). Face it, at the end of the day, you have a choke artist in White Chocolate, a overrated defender in Posey, an aging Shaquille O'Neal, another aging center riding the bench, and the worst X's and O's coach in Stan Van Gundy. Your only hope rests in the "second coming of Michael Jordan" or as you may call him Dwayne Wade, and quite frankly he isn't going to be enough to take you to a championship. So just get ready to get all your fans hyped up and give them false hope but be just as ready to disappoint them with a late-playoff exit in the Conference finals, because even as hungry as you think you are, you have two teams that are hungrier in Detroit and Indiana, and a much more talented team in Cleveland that has something to prove, so enjoy it while you can, because it won't last long.

[HeatChamps]

The Heat Own All. Enough said.

[sa_butta]

Right now they dont own anything, how many titles do they have again?

[HeatChamps]

Don't worry. The truth will be told next year and how much talent do Miami need before they can win a championship? They are loaded. :lol

[sa_butta]

Loaded with crap. Need to look at post from Take it to the hole.
They have yet to prove they can get out of the eastern playoffs. Still dont think they can get past Detroit.

[HeatChamps]

Last year Miami's biggest weaknesses were PG and PF and now they have improved in both areas. No more 3 on 5. You can't play soft on anyone or you will get burned. Wade will be getting closer to being a superstar every year. Posey is a defensive stopper and is just as good as Eddie Jones is. They have a bench now to.

[ShoogarBear]

Yeah, Miami will be rolling until mid-season.

Then Pat will get greedy, fire Stan and take over the reins.

[HeatChamps]

1. Miami
2. San Antonio
3. Detroit
4. Indiana
5. Phoenix

[Fouled Out]

That was a stupid move by Miami and Shaq signing such an amount of money 100mill for 5 years, man the dude can't even run the floor anymore that is investing in an old horse. Just like the Spurs are trying to get rid of the Rasho contract we paid too much for that guy you will be in the same boat in about 2 years.

[HeatChamps]

After Miami wins 2 championships than Miami made a bad deal since Shaq's contract is for 5 years. Oh well. I will take it.

[Fouled Out]

1. San Antonio
2. Detroit
3. Miami

[CaptainLate]

well maybe it wouldn't piss me off so much if people would stop bringing it up.......... hint hint

Ditto!! It would be worse if the Flakers had won #4 that season. But the fluke Pistons embarassed them in 5.

Only Spurs-haters keep bringing this up. Get over it, folks. Let's move on.

[CaptainLate]

Nope. What pissed me off was the way we we played the first 3 quarters of that game. We didn't deserve to win and I am not so sure we would have beaten them in 7 games. Somewhere in Los Angeles we lost our way. LA wanted it more than we did. They were humiliated in games 1 and 2 and responded by kicking our asses in 4 straight games.

Those playoffs exposed (again) Tony Parker as a player who still hasn't gotten it right in the playoffs. I'd still trade him for a young stud SF.

[CaptainLate]

Looking back on the contrast that came from going from such a HIGH point...to such a low point...in such an impossible amount of time...will always sting a bit. I'll never forget how pissed I was after Fisher made that shot.

Hey, Pop, thanks for not guarding the inbounds pass with a big man. A tip would have ended it. You could have at least dictated which part of the court they had to pass it, and force them to lob it, too. <eyes rolling>

[CaptainLate]

It has more to do with the Spurs offensive predictability than that "killer instinct". The Spurs, prior to this year, was the most offensively predictable team in the league, probably ever. Dump the ball to Duncan, 4 guys stand around and watch....Pop has grown as a coach, and is more willing to try different things, this makes the Spurs a much better team.

I hope he has grown enough to run even more next year. Against Phoenix, we showed we can do it. There are very few teams that play D. And with Oberto around and the perimeter defense rule, we can run much more that in the past.

[CaptainLate]

I had completely forgotten about .4 until I saw the championship video.

What the...??? Who the hell had the idea of starting off a championship video with a downer clip from the year before? Some Spurs hater must have put the video together.

[CaptainLate]

hence the problem right there. When do you play him then.....at the end when the game is out of reach...or at the beginning then the other team comes back.

Pleez...play him at the end so we can "Hack-a-Shaq" and watch him brick the 'throws. LMAO

[ObiwanGinobili]

The Heat Own All. Enough said.


the heat own:
1. a nice arena
2. a really big guy named shaq
3. a good logo





nowhere in that list do i see a ring. Just ONE ring.. but no.... there for they do not "own all"

[CaptainLate]

If Mourning comes back you get 48 minutes of solid center work. Shaq won't be needed to play heavy minutes.

What time to you want your wakeup call 'cause you're dreamin'. Stop living in the past thinking Shaq and Mourning are in the primes, or even near their primes. Like Japan embarassed the uSA in 1941, we're going to embarass the Heat on Dec. 7...and again on Jan. 20...and you'll get to watch it on nat'l TV. See you back here after that.

[Merlin]

After Miami wins 2 championships than Miami made a bad deal since Shaq's contract is for 5 years. Oh well. I will take it.

I am not even sure Miami is a better deal with those new players. The chemistry will be very interesting. Williams is headcase. Miami would impress me by getting out of the Eastern Conference to be honest with you. Indiana and Detroit are right there with them if not better.

[TheTruth]

only when people bring it up. :makemyday

[Trainwreck2100]

Dude, are you serious?!?! Jason Williams and championship should never been in the same sentence.

Jason Williams will cost his team the championship, see it has a ring to it.

I remember one Sacto/LA late in a playoff game Sac down 2 and that jerk decides to take it at Shaq needless to say he was rejected ugly.

[Supergirl]

Whether Miami wins may depend entirely on Antoine Walker. Posey is comparable to Jones, and Jason Williams may be more mature and fit in well with his buddy Shaq, but the reason Miami lost last year was because Shaq didn't get enough touches down the stretch. That is why his teams always lose. In clutch games of the playoffs Antoine has a history of taking ill-advised shots. Maybe he can turn that around in one season, but I'm not convinced.

Until then, let's see if Miami can make it past Detroit before we crown them champions.

I predict:
FInal 4 in the East - Miami, Detroit, Cleveland, Indiana
FInal 4 in the West - San Antonio, Phoenix, Denver, Utah (Kirilenko will be rejuvenated)

[TheTruth]

Was agreeing with everything you said
until

FInal 4 in the West - San Antonio, Phoenix, Denver, Utah (Kirilenko will be rejuvenated)

Utah should be better, but the still won't make the playoffs. They have a rookie PG with no backup. They just traded their youth for Greg Osterfat, and Boozer and Okur are a mediocre frontline in the West. Kirelinko is good, but he isn't that good.

[Supergirl]

Was agreeing with everything you said
until


Utah should be better, but the still won't make the playoffs. They have a rookie PG with no backup. They just traded their youth for Greg Osterfat, and Boozer and Okur are a mediocre frontline in the West. Kirelinko is good, but he isn't that good.

You might be right, but Utah seems like as good a bet as anyone for the fourth top spot in the West. Kirilenko, Okur, and Boozer should be good enough for 50 games, and if they get into the playoffs they could make it past the 1st round. But it depends so much on injuries, and I also think that if Minnesota gets some youth to replace Spree and Sam, they coiuld be back.

[David Bowie]

Whether Miami wins may depend entirely on Antoine Walker. Posey is comparable to Jones, and Jason Williams may be more mature and fit in well with his buddy Shaq, but the reason Miami lost last year was because Shaq didn't get enough touches down the stretch. That is why his teams always lose. In clutch games of the playoffs Antoine has a history of taking ill-advised shots. Maybe he can turn that around in one season, but I'm not convinced.

Until then, let's see if Miami can make it past Detroit before we crown them champions.

I predict:
FInal 4 in the East - Miami, Detroit, Cleveland, Indiana
FInal 4 in the West - San Antonio, Phoenix, Denver, Utah (Kirilenko will be rejuvenated)

This is the third time Antoine Walker has been moved in three years. Meaning that he is doing something that teams do not like and therefore do not work very hard on retaining him.

[td4mvp21]

Last year Miami's biggest weaknesses were PG and PF .
How were they weak in those areas if they had Wade/Damon Jones switching off and Haslem in the post? Wade's an all-star, Jones had a very good year, and Haslem was a nice compliment to Shaq.