***Official 2014-2015 Cleveland Browns Thread*** (sponsored by we got Football)

[FkLA]

Clearly the winners of the draft so far. Things are looking bright in the Forest City tbh.

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Johnny-Football-Fan-Art.jpg

[spurraider21]

as long as the raiders get Carr

[FkLA]

http://media.giphy.com/media/4LZMbupgkCpoqvhxE7eg/giphy.gif

[FkLA]

btw did anybody else have no fucking idea that Clevelands nickname is the 'Forest City' ?

[monosylab1k]

I bet they go 12-4 next season. Then 6-10 the year after. JFF is great but he doesn't have the size to last in the NFL, he'll be injured almost as much as Gronk.

[spurraider21]

he's actually in a good spot to succeed. they have a great left tackle, a legit #1 wide receiver, and one of the better pass catching tight ends around. they do need a better run game, but i think cleveland is one of the better spots Manziel could have landed in, as opposed to somewhere like Jacksonville, Oakland, or Minnesota

[Kyle Orton]

he's actually in a good spot to succeed. they have a great left tackle, a legit #1 wide receiver, and one of the better pass catching tight ends around. they do need a better run game, but i think cleveland is one of the better spots Manziel could have landed in, as opposed to somewhere like Jacksonville, Oakland, or Minnesota
Decent defense too iirc despite losing some pieces. Will be interesting to see young shannys offense around manziel. Will he bring the Houston offense or the pistol offense?

will be interesting to read this thread throughout the season imo

[celticfan]

Johnny Football is going to excel. All the haters are going to eat crow for all the shit talking.

[spurraider21]

Decent defense too iirc despite losing some pieces. Will be interesting to see young shannys offense around manziel. Will he bring the Houston offense or the pistol offense?

will be interesting to read this thread throughout the season imo
yeah their defense is still pretty solid, and they added another corner to complement Hayden. Manziel is playing in a spot where Brian Hoyer was having success last year ffs. The only thing they're really lacking is a running game, but running games tend to have an easier time when you have a mobile quarterback, since they defense needs to be much more disciplined and less aggressive in their pursuit. They should probably draft a guard next round, and a running back in round 3/4

[MeloHype]

464601999661858817

[MeloHype]

Decent defense too iirc despite losing some pieces.
They did a good job replacing Jackson & Ward with Dansby & Whitner

[FkLA]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBS3hNLZ-2I


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSo6cLDEQn0

Please.

[spurraider21]

this is seriously going to be vince young all over again :lol. he'll make some amazing exciting plays, win some games, and when he loses, they'll have every excuse possible besides blaming johnny

[DD]

Hope he succeeds tbh...the NFL is better when there's a surplus of good QB's. He's a playmaker and not a game manager, so anything he can bring to the table will be good for the league.

[Robz4000]

Agreed. I don't think he has the size to succeed but I'll be rooting for him.

[JoeTait75]

btw did anybody else have no fucking idea that Clevelands nickname is the 'Forest City' ?

The last time anyone called Cleveland "the Forest City" was about 1895, tbh.

[Michael Jordan.]

Lol FkLA

[leemajors]

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--nzA8pdP_--/pp2tvhupijoasppegkft.jpg

:lol

[Fpoonsie]

The last time anyone called Cleveland "the Forest City" was about 1895, tbh.

:lol We have such knowledgeable, witty fans.

[Trill Clinton]

congrats to cleveland. jff is going to surprise a lot of people this season.

[ColinB]

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--nzA8pdP_--/pp2tvhupijoasppegkft.jpg

:lol

Lol where is this from?

[leemajors]

Lol where is this from?

It was briefly on the Browns' official twitter account, a few minutes :lol

[JoeTait75]

:lol We have such knowledgeable, witty fans.

To be fair, most people in Cleveland probably don't even know about that nickname. It's long been superceded by "Mistake by the Lake," "Rust Belt shithole," etc.

[JoeTait75]

Browns have a chance to be a pretty competitive team this year, IMO. They have talent on both sides of the ball.

[manufan10]

One of my favorite guys to watch in college football. Hope he does well in Cleveland. I'll have to get me a Browns' jersey now. :tu

[spurraider21]

congrats to cleveland. jff is going to surprise a lot of people this season.
:lol being on board with White supremacist Johnny FucKKKing Fotball

[FkLA]

One of my favorite guys to watch in college football. Hope he does well in Cleveland. I'll have to get me a Browns' jersey now. :tu

Im just waiting to make sure hell keep the same number to buy a #2 Football jersey tbh.

BTW 1500 tickets sold since the Football pick. lol Jags.

[MeloHype]

Im just waiting to make sure hell keep the same number to buy a #2 Football jersey tbh.

BTW 1500 tickets sold since the Football pick. lol Jags.
He'll wear #2, was introduced about an hour ago

[leemajors]

My prediction: pain

[MeloHype]

464827869068550144

[FkLA]

tarajersey.com, here i come

[FkLA]

http://i.imgur.com/1Zf2rRi.png?7071

http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a631/suprememanny/thumbs-up-computer-kid-gif_zps11d45fe6.gif

[spurraider21]

http://i.imgur.com/1Zf2rRi.png?7071

http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a631/suprememanny/thumbs-up-computer-kid-gif_zps11d45fe6.gif
i remember how happy i was when i ordered my jamarcus russell jersey :lol

last year it become this :lmao

https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/551327_3709013779648_2136348779_n.jpg

[Spur-Addict]

Damn spurraider21 :lol

But, but, he's makin' det comeback

[FkLA]

:lol thankfully i wont have to worry about that with Football

[manufan10]

Say what you will about Vince, but that story about him looking up at the owner and telling him to "draft Manziel" was pretty cool.

http://forums.texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=2476445&forum_id=5

:lmao

[MeloHype]

464867720421732352

:cry

[The Gemini Method]

You know its legit if da Kang wearing it! I have a tough choice to make...get a ET III jersey or Johnny Fuckin' Football jersey :cry :cry

[The Gemini Method]

Josh Gordon could be banned for the 2014 season...due to his 2nd failed drug test. Wow. That would be par for the course for Cleveland.

[.G.]

They need to let these niggz smoke they weed. Niggas need to live....

[The Gemini Method]

They need to let these niggz smoke they weed. Niggas need to live....

No kidding? I mean, the dude has to play and probably reside in Cleveland at least part of his year--might as well be able to partake in a little smoke or some other mind altering drugs to have to suffer through that shit.

[Chinook]

Shame for Gordon. He's going to miss the only good year of Manziel's career.

[Robz4000]

God damn, at this point you just have to shake your head. Things start looking up for Cleveland then BAM!

[.G.]

No kidding? I mean, the dude has to play and probably reside in Cleveland at least part of his year--might as well be able to partake in a little smoke or some other mind altering drugs to have to suffer through that shit.

Then again, nigga is originally from Houst:loln....gotta let him do his thang and just let him be.

[The Gemini Method]

Then again, nigga is originally from Houst:loln....gotta let him do his thang and just let him be.

No shit. Weed isn't going to make a player better--it may even help with the CTE problem...you know, like when drunk drivers relax when they get into car accidents and survive while the poor victims are all tense and die because they get smashed on by a drunk, relaxed person? Hmm. Hoyer is definitely starting this coming year...

[.G.]

On a more serious note, Gordon possibly being out will really fuck with my fantasy team. Niggz was good for ≈30pts a game. Damn.

[MeloHype]

Fuck

[Raven]

you can't really be sorry for an idiot like gordon, it was bound to happen and everyone knew it would.

[djohn2oo8]

There goes Manziel's only security blanket.

[td4mvp2k]

Browns doin wat they do

[td4mvp2k]

Lmao at homlessman playing GM for dem...

[spurraider21]

:lol the gordon suspension just turned manziel's situation from good to shitty tbh. no go-to WR in a cold city for an average armed qb. good luck

[JoeTait75]

If if was a random test I kind of feel bad for Gordon, tbh. I like to partake myself and will do so long after I've quit my other vices so I can't hate on him for blazing every now and again. Random test is tough.

If it was a scheduled test he's a fucking knucklehead. Shouldn't be hard to quit for a month, especially when you're making millions and can retire at 30 and smoke nonstop for the rest of your life if you want.

You know JFF is already like :wowWTF did I get myself into:wow

[spurraider21]

If if was a random test I kind of feel bad for Gordon, tbh. I like to partake myself and will do so long after I've quit my other vices so I can't hate on him for blazing every now and again. Random test is tough.

If it was a scheduled test he's a fucking knucklehead. Shouldn't be hard to quit for a month, especially when you're making millions and can retire at 30 and smoke nonstop for the rest of your life if you want.

You know JFF is already like :wowWTF did I get myself into:wow
no, just no. even its a random test he's fucking retarded given his history. its not bad luck, its not "oh gee whiz, it was random." its being a fucking moron given your career

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lol Carolina

[Findog]

Sorry, but it's fucking ridiculous the NFL tests for marijuana. Fuck Roger Goodell...sidelining one of your best players for pot.

Fuck, you could make an argument that pot has medicinal properties for guys that play such a gladiator sport.

[spurraider21]

Sorry, but it's fucking ridiculous the NFL tests for marijuana. Fuck Roger Goodell...sidelining one of your best players for pot.

Fuck, you could make an argument that pot has medicinal properties for guys that play such a gladiator sport.
Fair points all around, but still can't really cut Gordon any slack when he knows better tbh

[The Reckoning]

i remember how happy i was when i ordered my jamarcus russell jersey :lol

last year it become this :lmao

https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/551327_3709013779648_2136348779_n.jpg\




shit i looked at this photo all sorts of wrong at first

[JoeTait75]

no, just no. even its a random test he's fucking retarded given his history. its not bad luck, its not "oh gee whiz, it was random." its being a fucking moron given your career

I get all that, and I don't disagree with you. Let's just say I empathize, because I know I'd have a tough time dealing with random tests.

Also, I know the rule is what it is, and he knew the rule and he broke it and all that, but it's really fucking ridiculous. Josh Gordon is not an airline pilot or an operator of heavy machinery. I don't think there should be such severe repurcussions for marijuana use in his line of work. Weed does have some theraputical value for a guy who probably deals with pain on a regular basis. And obviously it isn't a performance-enhancing drug.

It just sucks. But they can't use this as an excuse to go 4-12 again and whine about how :crywe didn't have Josh Gordon:cry. They need to figure out a way to stay competitive regardless of whether he's out there or not.

[Michael Jordan.]

Manziel complains about collw ge station, ends up in cleveland :lol

[weebo]

Manziel complains about collw ge station, ends up in cleveland :lol

:lol

[Raven]

:lol the gordon suspension just turned manziel's situation from good to shitty tbh. no go-to WR in a cold city for an average armed qb. good luck

imho it made it better, he can now scramble non stop with the excuse that he has none to throw to..

[spurraider21]

I get all that, and I don't disagree with you. Let's just say I empathize, because I know I'd have a tough time dealing with random tests.

Also, I know the rule is what it is, and he knew the rule and he broke it and all that, but it's really fucking ridiculous. Josh Gordon is not an airline pilot or an operator of heavy machinery. I don't think there should be such severe repurcussions for marijuana use in his line of work. Weed does have some theraputical value for a guy who probably deals with pain on a regular basis. And obviously it isn't a performance-enhancing drug.

It just sucks. But they can't use this as an excuse to go 4-12 again and whine about how :crywe didn't have Josh Gordon:cry. They need to figure out a way to stay competitive regardless of whether he's out there or not.
Nothing personal but if you actually made the nfl and think you would have problems with rando testing, it's equally dumb. It's probably a stupid rule but you fucking made the nfl. If you don't have that much self control you have some soul searching to do imo.

Also it's not Gordon's first tango with the nfl drug policy which makes it worse. Congrats to him on following Ricky Williams' footsteps

This would be his 3rd failed NFL test, after failing 2 in Baylor and 1 in Utah...

[spurraider21]

Signed Joe Haden to a 5 year 68 million dollar deal with 14 mil signing bonus, 22 guaranteed, and 23 in injury guarantees

i guess talks escalated once they knew they wouldn't be giving Gordon a contract :lol

[manufan10]

Should the Browns try and trade for Andre Johnson? They're going to need a weapon especially if Josh Gordon is gone for the season. I don't know if it's plausible, but I would definitely like to see it happen. A solid WR for Manziel.

[manufan10]

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Good move, provided Miles can stay healthy. Guy's hamstrings made out of glass.

[The Reckoning]

i foresee several cowboys fans (mostly ags) making the switch to cleveland now

[manufan10]

i foresee several cowboys fans (mostly ags) making the switch to cleveland now

I'm not making the switch per se, but I am going to be following Cleveland now.

[jeebus]

Prepare your anus, NFL

[spurraider21]

did they also start following the dolphins after Tannehill? he was a higher draft pick

[The Gemini Method]

If Austin stays healthy has been the mantra for the past few years--at least they have made an attempt on a contingency plan post-Gordon suspension. Off-Topic: The clock has started on the Khalil Mack exodus or destruction due to playing for da Raiduhhhs. Since, you know, he is reportedly signed by the Raiduhhhhs.

[FkLA]

That caramel-skinned nigga better stay healthy tbh.

[Ricky Davis]

Did he pull a hamstring signing the contract?

[JoeTait75]

i foresee several cowboys fans (mostly ags) making the switch to cleveland now

Makes up for '93 when Kosar went to the Cowboys and Cowboys games started getting better ratings than Browns games in NE Ohio.

[Kawhi]

467098893407498241

:cry

[MeloHype]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXQutxqkEhI

[FkLA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXQutxqkEhI

what a beast tbh

[Bane.]

A tiny item caught my eye amid the hoopla about media access and Johnny Manziel's first practice weekend with the Cleveland Browns.

It came from Peter King of Sports Illustrated, who pointed out that the playbook (on a tablet) that Manziel received from the Browns was the first one he had been given in his football career. At Texas A&M, King wrote, Manziel a ran a group of plays given to him from week to week..



http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/128232/browns-playbook-is-manziels-first

Kolb
Keenum
now Manziel

:lol Sumlin
:lol Aggy

[Spur-Addict]

The Cleveland Browns continued their public campaign to make Johnny Manziel feel like a rookie on Wednesday.

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On the same afternoon that Manziel took snaps behind Brian Hoyer and Tyler Thigpen, general manager Ray Farmer indicated that Manziel has a lot of ground to make up in the team's quarterback competition.

"I want the best quarterback to start. Who is the best quarterback? Brian Hoyer," Farmer told WKRK-FM in Cleveland. Farmer was then asked about the gap between Manziel and Hoyer.

"That's a good question. I would tell you that (Hoyer is better than Manziel) probably by a substantial margin," Farmer said. "I would say that because here's a guy that's a five- or six-year veteran who has been in the league, that knows the defenses, that reads it quicker, that understands it. (Hoyer) has an advanced calculus degree. Johnny is good at math, but I don't know if he's in the advanced calculus stages.

"(Experience in the league) means a lot. It means more than people think."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000352635/article/farmer-hoyer-tops-manziel-by-substantial-margin

[Clipper Nation]

A tiny item caught my eye amid the hoopla about media access and Johnny Manziel's first practice weekend with the Cleveland Browns.

It came from Peter King of Sports Illustrated, who pointed out that the playbook (on a tablet) that Manziel received from the Browns was the first one he had been given in his football career. At Texas A&M, King wrote, Manziel a ran a group of plays given to him from week to week..



http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/128232/browns-playbook-is-manziels-first

Kolb
Keenum
now Manziel

:lol Sumlin
:lol Aggy
Not a surprise.... the only books they have at Aggy are the kind you color in :lol

[FkLA]

The Cleveland Browns continued their public campaign to make Johnny Manziel feel like a rookie on Wednesday.

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On the same afternoon that Manziel took snaps behind Brian Hoyer and Tyler Thigpen, general manager Ray Farmer indicated that Manziel has a lot of ground to make up in the team's quarterback competition.

"I want the best quarterback to start. Who is the best quarterback? Brian Hoyer," Farmer told WKRK-FM in Cleveland. Farmer was then asked about the gap between Manziel and Hoyer.

"That's a good question. I would tell you that (Hoyer is better than Manziel) probably by a substantial margin," Farmer said. "I would say that because here's a guy that's a five- or six-year veteran who has been in the league, that knows the defenses, that reads it quicker, that understands it. (Hoyer) has an advanced calculus degree. Johnny is good at math, but I don't know if he's in the advanced calculus stages.

"(Experience in the league) means a lot. It means more than people think."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000352635/article/farmer-hoyer-tops-manziel-by-substantial-margin

Hoyer can be the unquestioned starter in June/July. No way Football stays glued to the bench for very long once the regular season starts. If I was Football though this little campaign the Browns are on wouldve started rubbing me the wrong way by now tbh.

[manufan10]

Hoyer can be the unquestioned starter in June/July. No way Football stays glued to the bench for very long once the regular season starts. If I was Football though this little campaign the Browns are on wouldve started rubbing me the wrong way by now tbh.

They're just testing him, tbh imo. They want to see how he handles the criticisms and the competition. Johnny thrives under these types of circumstances.

[FkLA]

They're just testing him, tbh imo. They want to see how he handles the criticisms and the competition. Johnny thrives under these types of circumstances.

I completely understand having him earn a starting spot or not treating him any better than any other rookie. They are purposely treating him worse than any other rookie though, letting everybody know that he is a back-up/measly rookie every chance they get is not normal.

I dont doubt that he will come out of this on top though tbh.

[DesignatedT]

Cleveland is terribly mishandling the Manziel situation. They obviously don't know the kid and no good is going to come out of treating him like this.

I really thought this could have been a good spot for Johnny but I'm almost certain the dumbass ownership and gm of the browns will turn this into a dumpster fire. I wish he would have fell to KC and Andy Reid one more pick.

[djohn2oo8]

Treating him like what??? :lol

[spurraider21]

Treating him like what??? :lol
:cry they're treating their rookie like a rookie
:cry what a terrible franchise move

[leemajors]

Treating him like what??? :lol

just another player, which he is.

[FkLA]

Yeah, because it's completely normal to keep reiterating that he is a back-up/rookie every chance they get. Especially when Football has not done anything to suggest he feels entitled bc of what he did in college. :lol

[FkLA]

http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/blogs/Gronkowski-Manziel-Vegas.final.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BocVC5YIIAAEVvA.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BodTsX6IYAAEzQk.png

Gronk and Football are bosses tbh.

[djohn2oo8]

Yeah, because it's completely normal to keep reiterating that he is a back-up/rookie every chance they get. Especially when Football has not done anything to suggest he feels entitled bc of what he did in college. :lol

:lmao it's because he is a rookie

[djohn2oo8]

And bullshit he hasn't done anything to feel entitled. He threw a goddamn hissy fit when his daddy told him he wasn't buying him a benz. And threw a tantrum until he did.

[benefactor]

http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/blogs/Gronkowski-Manziel-Vegas.final.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BocVC5YIIAAEVvA.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BodTsX6IYAAEzQk.png

Gronk and Football are bosses tbh.
...and he hasn't even taken a snap yet.

So glad he's Cleveland's problem.

[FkLA]

:lmao it's because he is a rookie

Either you are really dumb or just blinded by your hate.


And bullshit he hasn't done anything to feel entitled. He threw a goddamn hissy fit when his daddy told him he wasn't buying him a benz. And threw a tantrum until he did.

1. Link?
2. How does that have anything to do with on the field/NFL entitlement?


...and he hasn't even taken a snap yet.

So glad he's Cleveland's problem.

He was just enjoying his weekend. Its the off-season. What exactly is the issue here ?

[The Batman]

473959875035152384

[leemajors]

http://deadspin.com/johnny-manziel-drinking-on-an-inflatable-swan-1587544492


There are some things that are inherently believable. Like, when someone tweets "not the greatest of pics, but here's Manziel enjoying some X games after party festivities in Austin at Rio" and it's a dude floating on an inflatable swan chugging a bottle of liquor, you just believe it because, well, why wouldn't Manziel do that? If you had the chance to just chill out on your stomach and float around boozing on an inflatable swan, you would definitely do that.

[benefactor]

Can't wait for the Browns to find him in a hotel room on game day in bed with several strippers and covered in blow.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t1.0-9/1601523_10152608379275348_3075139941982636218_n.jp g

[spurraider21]

:lol is this guy for real?

[FkLA]

Hilarious pic. But what y'all actually think other players aren't partying during the off-season? :lol

[Clipper Nation]

Ryan Leaf 2.0 :lol

[spurraider21]

Hilarious pic. But what y'all actually think other players aren't partying during the off-season? :lol
yeah dude, i can totally picture manning and brady doing this

[FkLA]

yeah dude, i can totally picture manning and brady doing this

Theyre in their mid-late 30s. Either wayyou don't think they do shit they otherwise wouldnt do during the season?

And in their early 20s they more than likely did their share of heavy partying just like 99% of young millionaires. Kobe might be one of the few exceptions since he's a loser with no life or friends tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

Ryan Leaf 2.0 :lol

[FkLA]

^25k+ posts of leg humping and shitty one liners

Pretty sad tbh.

[djohn2oo8]

Theyre in their mid-late 30s. Either wayyou don't think they do shit they otherwise wouldnt do during the season?

And in their early 20s they more than likely did their share of heavy partying just like 99% of young millionaires. Kobe might be one of the few exceptions since he's a loser with no life or friends tbh.
You apparently just don't get it. He's known to have a drinking problem, and a party animal that brings attention to himself. Everything negative about him before the draft was that he likes to party too much and isn't dedicated to the game, and instead of trying to prove that wrong, he is photographed drinking his ass off floating in a pool. Dude won't last in the NFL, and if he keeps it up, he'll end up overdosing on cocaine or something.

[djohn2oo8]

After flinging the ball to undrafted safety Robert Nelson in positional drills, Manziel tossed a second pick during a full-squad heave that landed in the arms of veteran Donte Whitner, who took it to the house. Lightning struck again when Johnny Football misfired on a sideline route that cornerback Joe Haden pulled out of the sky for another pick six, per The Plain Dealer.

[Clipper Nation]

Ryan Leaf 2.0 :lol

[leemajors]

Browns turn down Hard Knocks...

http://deadspin.com/the-browns-turned-down-hard-knocks-1588636360

[FkLA]

You apparently just don't get it. He's known to have a drinking problem, and a party animal that brings attention to himself. Everything negative about him before the draft was that he likes to party too much and isn't dedicated to the game, and instead of trying to prove that wrong, he is photographed drinking his ass off floating in a pool. Dude won't last in the NFL, and if he keeps it up, he'll end up overdosing on cocaine or something.

:lol Hes a 21 year old enjoying his off-season. Get back to me when he's pulling this type of shit during the season.

[spurraider21]

:lol Hes a 21 year old enjoying his off-season. Get back to me when he's pulling this type of shit during the season.
:lol bookmarking this post

[Raven]

not that it's a surprise, but they are installing the zone read for the udfa caliber qb. Obviously, he is a bad passer.

[Clipper Nation]

^

Ryan Leaf 2.0 :lol

[spurraider21]

:lol this dude is already gettin slammed by coaches and Cleveland beat writers

[Avante]

I've seen enought, it's real obvious to me that Johnny Football has no clue of any kind what situation he is in. Fuck this...he's young....it's the off season....bullshit. Why does the NFL have stupid shit like the combine? That ridiculous IQ test? Right there tells us all we need to know about how serious the league is about spending big $$$$ on it's players. They want every stone turned, hell....is Clowney lazy...remember that one? A GAY PLAYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Once you decide to be an NFL player you can no longer be acting like everyone else, a 22 year old kid making millions should send a message. You are on another level now and need to act accordingly, a lot of people are depending on you.

An NFL QB is like a Captain of a ship, he's not suppose to be out there hanging with the crew acting like they are.

Manzeil is a dummy, I wouldn't want to have to depend on him. I don't wanna hear about what he did at Texas A&M, there is a world of different between the Steelers/Bengals/Ravens and the SEC. The Jags would destroy Alabama.

[FkLA]

Just part of his swag. He's gonna do it his way.

Give me a healthy Gronk over all of the other classy white TEs around the league tbh.

[spurraider21]

Not from your qb, tbh

[djohn2oo8]

"I don't think I'm doing anything wrong,'' (http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/06/johnny_manziel_2.html) Manziel said. "I'm going out. Everybody goes out on the weekends and enjoys their life and lives their life and just for them, they don't have people that when they walk into a place pull out their phones and all they want to do is follow me around and record everything, so my situation is unique and different and now more than ever I've seen that it's an every weekend thing wherever I'm at, whether it's here in Cleveland on a weekend, or in Dallas or anywhere on a weekend people want to record what I'm doing because they think it's a story.

"Everybody goes out and has fun. I'm not doing anything that's putting myself in a harmful situation. I'm not doing anything that's putting my team or jeopardizing what I do here throughout the week, or what I'm looking forward to doing this season.''
Manziel has been criticized by dozens of big-name former players for his weekend antics, including Hall of Famers Emmitt Smith, Warren Moon and Joe Montana. Smith was the most critical, warning Manziel that his partying would be a "short career lifestyle'' if he continues at this pace.

"I'm not going to change who I am for anybody,'' Manziel said. "I'm growing up and continuing to learn from my mistakes and trying not to make the same ones over and over again, but am I going to live in a shell or am I just going to hide from everybody and not do anything? I don't think that's the way I should live my life and I'm not going to do it.
"I'm here, I'm very committed to football. I'm committed to my job, but on the weekends, I'm going to enjoy my time off. We deserve it. We work hard here. We've worked hard since the draft. We worked hard to get drafted and put ourselves in a good position at the Combine, even after that, working to stay in shape. I am going to enjoy my time off. I'm very about football and very about my job, which doesn't get reported or won't get reported, but I am going to enjoy my time off. That's I think what everybody else does and that's what I should do.''

[Clipper Nation]

Leaf 2.0 with the bads :lol

[FkLA]

my nigga Football is 100% right tbh

[leemajors]

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--k_iiVbn3--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/letd18w5ypttpepkdskc.jpg

[benefactor]

:lol

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[manufan10]

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How stupid can you be? You're already facing a possible year long suspension, and you get arrested for a DWI. This doesn't help your case at all. Cleveland needs to do what Jerry and the Cowboys did with Dez and give him his own babysitter and ground rules.

[Trill Clinton]

i fux with manziel the longway since he's a san antonio boy but he needs to tighten his circle up. look at this pic of him rolling up a legal tender so he can snort some cocaine. if cocaine stayed in your system as long as weed does, half the cacs in the league would be suspended.

http://i62.tinypic.com/rvahrs.png

btw, if you're in the greater SA area and you wear jersey's...i have 2 brand new white NFL elite manziel jersey's for sell. only $70 bucks each. if you're interested let me know, i can send pics of the jersey if interested.

[benefactor]

i fux with manziel the longway since he's a san antonio boy but he needs to tighten his circle up. look at this pic of him rolling up a legal tender so he can snort some cocaine. if cocaine stayed in your system as long as weed does, half the cacs in the league would be suspended.

http://i62.tinypic.com/rvahrs.png

btw, if you're in the greater SA area and you wear jersey's...i have 2 brand new white NFL elite manziel jersey's for sell. only $70 bucks each. if you're interested let me know, i can send pics of the jersey if interested.
Couple pics of him with a Playboy model.
http://bustedcoverage.com/2014/07/06/johnny-manziel-rolling-money-in-a-restroom/

Can't wait for the Browns to find him in a hotel room on game day in bed with several strippers and covered in blow.

We're on the right path.:tu

[Raven]

i have to say, he's entertaining, he gives the nfl an entirely new dimension.

[Trill Clinton]

http://i57.tinypic.com/2iste9i.png

[benefactor]

:lol

[manufan10]

:lol

I love his IDGAF attitude... but man, this guy's entourage needs to step their game up. Stuff like this shouldn't be leaked.

Edit: And Manziel needs to stop doing this stuff in public. Especially knowing that people are gonna take pictures and post them online. He's a magnet.

[FkLA]

http://i57.tinypic.com/2iste9i.png

:lol

[The Gemini Method]

What's the over/under of Johnny Manziel OD'ing during the 3rd quarter of a game vs. Baltimore or Cincinnati?

[Raven]

What's the over/under of Johnny Manziel OD'ing during the 3rd quarter of a game vs. Baltimore or Cincinnati?

5:1

[Spur-Addict]

What's the over/under of Johnny Manziel OD'ing during the 3rd quarter of a game vs. Baltimore or Cincinnati?

:lol "Manziel scrambles for a 8 yard gain before he's wrestled down to the grass. What's this? There seems to be blood oozing out from underneath his visor. Is that, is that...blood coming from his nasal area? (camera veers off abruptly :rollin) I don't know what to make of it, he's going into convulsions!" Then the coke bag falls out of his hand warmer pouch

[The Gemini Method]

5:1


:lol "Manziel scrambles for a 8 yard gain before he's wrestled down to the grass. What's this? There seems to be blood oozing out from underneath his visor. Is that, is that...blood coming from his nasal area? (camera veers off abruptly :rollin) I don't know what to make of it, he's going into convulsions!" Then the coke bag falls out of his hand warmer pouch

Kinda interesting that Johnny Football--and everyone here knows it--is allowed to partake and do all the coke in the world but Josh Gordon gets lambasted for his issues. At the very least, Johnny and Josh would've been this decade's version of the Dallas Cokeboys. Line up to get the shine up!

[JoeTait75]

If I'm Brian Hoyer I'm loving every minute of this. Every time a new pic of JFF pops up he's probably like, "Welp, guess I'll go watch some more film."

[FkLA]

Josh Gordon gets a DWI and his career is in jeopardy, no comments. Pics of Football partying in the off-season pop up, the comments start pouring in.

Greatness is polarizing tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

Ryan Leaf 2.0 per par :lol

[spurraider21]

Josh Gordon gets a DWI and his career is in jeopardy, no comments. Pics of Football partying in the off-season pop up, the comments start pouring in.

Greatness is polarizing tbh.
:cry but he did to too!

fine, if it makes u feel better, i think manziel and gordon are equally bad fuck ups

[FkLA]

Nah, until Football gets suspended from the league for drugs or gets in trouble with the law he is fine. Like I keep saying y'all are retarded if y'all think he's the only one partying this off-season.

[spurraider21]

Nah, until Football gets suspended from the league for drugs or gets in trouble with the law he is fine. Like I keep saying y'all are retarded if y'all think he's the only one partying this off-season.
when you're drafted to be the QB, leader of the team, and face of the franchise, you have different rules. especially when you're manziel and your "partying" has been one of the biggest red flags in recent memory for first round qb's

[FkLA]

Meh, not every QB has to be a choirboy. Just part of his swag.

Why the quotation marks around partying though? Are you suggesting its more than that and if so what? :lol

[spurraider21]

Meh, not every QB has to be a choirboy. Just part of his swag.

Why the quotation marks around partying though? Are you suggesting its more than that and if so what? :lol
sometimes partying just means partying. other times partying refers to hard drug use

who knows though, maybe he was just rolling up dollar bills into a straw shape for fun!

[FkLA]

Yeah, partying includes cocaine use. You seem to think this type of behavior is unique to Football. Are you really that naive?

[Floyd Pacquiao]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/applause.gif banging whores and doing blow. Like a boss

[Bill_Brasky]

Cant wait to watch a 40 for 40 about this dude and his downfall, its gonna be crazy as shit.

Oh, and i played in a golf tourney with his dad, and on the range i saw that he had 'heisman dad' stamped on his wedges. Family of toolbags imho.

[spurraider21]

Yeah, partying includes cocaine use. You seem to think this type of behavior is unique to Football. Are you really that naive?
sure, maybe guys like vince young, jamarcus russell, and other flameouts do so too :lol.

im sure manning, luck, brees, dont spend all their time that way.

[Bill_Brasky]

Its not even the fact that he did coke....its that he knows hes under a microscope and he just keeps putting himself in these vulnerable positions.....how dumb do you gotta be to be doing that shit in a public restroom? this dude has some serious substance abuse problems.

[FkLA]

sure, maybe guys like vince young, jamarcus russell, and other flameouts do so too :lol.

im sure manning, luck, brees, dont spend all their time that way.

What about Namath? LT? Moss? MJ? Rodman? Barkley? There are plenty of athletes that partied hard and went on to be all-time greats. Probably even more that we dont know about too. Football's business is out in the open more, thats the only difference.

[benefactor]

Family of toolbags imho.
Common knowledge around here tbh.

[FkLA]

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[spurraider21]

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[Clipper Nation]

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Translation: Leaf 2.0 is lazy :lol

[FkLA]

Rank
Player
Team


1
Johnny Manziel
Browns


2
Russell Wilson
Seahawks


3
Colin Kaepernick
49ers


4
Peyton Manning
Broncos


5
Richard Sherman
Seahawks


6
Michael Sam
Rams


7
Tom Brady
Patriots


8
Drew Brees
Saints


9
Aaron Rodgers
Packers


10
12th Fan
Seahawks


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:hat

[spurraider21]

:lmao vince young

[FkLA]

Pettine said Manziel was a great teammate in the previous time he was in Cleveland, calling him "very humble." The typical litany of positives followed: good in the weight room, attentive in meetings, smart.

Pettine then added this tidbit: "I think he's ahead of the learning curve."

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/6792/party-time-now-over-for-johnny-manziel


Hoyer better lube up his asshole bc Football is coming for that starting spot tbh.

[manufan10]

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I wonder if this long delay to actually suspend Gordon means he actually has a case not to be suspended. It seems to be dragging on.

[spurraider21]

Browns 'alarmed' by some of Johnny Manziel's behavior, concerned it's set him back in QB competition


http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/07/browns_alarmed_by_some_of_john.html?utm_source=dlv r.it&utm_medium=twitter

:lmao

[FkLA]

I like how you leave out the last part of the title.

lol sources



Meanwhile here's the one direct quote from that article regarding his 'antics' :


Pettine remained unfazed through most of the twitter and Instagram posts, the inflatable swans, the money phones and the Bieber blowout, but became concerned -- along with everyone else in the organization -- when the bill-rolling photo landed.In addition to calling Manziel, Pettine got on the horn with some of Manziel's college coaches and was assured he'd buckle down once camp started.

"I know as committed he is to football, once the season starts, it should not be an issue,'' Pettine said. "People who know him have said it will stop.''





...and here's another one just for fun:


Pettine said Manziel was a great teammate in the previous time he was in Cleveland, calling him "very humble." The typical litany of positives followed: good in the weight room, attentive in meetings, smart.

Pettine then added this tidbit: "I think he's ahead of the learning curve."

[spurraider21]

Manziel regressed in practice after the first week of organized team activities, and some in the organization attributed it to too much jet-setting and not enough dedication to the playbook.
Team officials had bought into Manziel's pre-draft promises to tone down the partying and leave his frat-boy lifestyle back in College Station, Texas, and they've been stunned by his non-stop antics, sources said.

On Monday, he told cleveland.com that although Brian Hoyer is starting out No. 1 on the depth chart, he views the competition "as open'' and vowed to give Hoyer and Manziel reps with "the same supporting cast'' to make it as fair and even as possible.
By Wednesday afternoon, after meeting with offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and quarterbacks coach Dowell Loggains, Pettine told a second wave of reporters in one-on-one interviews that Manziel wouldn't be getting reps with the first team offense during the early days of training camp, which begins Saturday.

[FkLA]

lol 'sources say'

Meanwhile:


“He will get reps with the ones at some point (http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=35131),” coach Mike Pettine told Tony Grossi of ESPNCleveland.com. “But early on . . . we only talked about how we would handle things very early in camp and then make that assessment after the first off day and then have a plan for the scrimmage [on August 2]. We’ll see where he is coming out of the summer.”

...

“Yeah, but I think it still needs to get to a point where if it’s affecting his job, that he’s in a situation where he goes out and has a good time, are there other players in the NFL that do that? Absolutely,” Pettine said. “But his persona, and it’s a phenomenon, has created something where people seek those photographs and are very eager to put them out. Does he go out more than some guys? Maybe. But he’s young and that’s his lifestyle and it is the offseason. If this is a pattern during the season and it is affecting his work, then that’s much more cause for concern. . . . To me, his life as an NFL player truly starts now and he’ll be judged on that. And if we get the hint that there’s behaviors affecting his work or there’s criminal activity then absolutely there’s cause for concern.

....

“I felt very positive coming out of the conversation and I’m very confident moving forward, now that it’s 100 percent about football, that it will be much less of an issue,” Pettine said.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/24/manziel-wont-get-first-team-reps-right-away/

[FkLA]

Browns coach Mike Pettine told reporters at team headquarters on Monday that a starting quarterback would be named by the third week of the preseason if not before.

Pettine said he would meet on Tuesday with offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and quarterbacks coach Dowell Loggains to decide how to split first-team reps in training camp between former Texas A&M star Manziel and Hoyer.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/22/us-nfl-browns-manziel-idUSKBN0FR21S20140722


:cry but but sources say hes not getting 1st team reps bc hes ryan leaf 2.0 :cry

[spurraider21]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/22/us-nfl-browns-manziel-idUSKBN0FR21S20140722


:cry but but sources say hes not getting 1st team reps bc hes ryan leaf 2.0 :cry
he DID meet with the offensive coordinator/qb coach on tuesday, and on wednesday he announced that manziel wont be getting first team reps early on

[FkLA]

he DID meet with the offensive coordinator/qb coach on tuesday, and on wednesday he announced that manziel wont be getting first team reps early on

And? Theyve been saying all off-season Hoyer is the starter so why is that even surprising or attributed to his 'antics' ?

Like Ive been saying Hoyer can be the undisputed starter in July and August, once the season starts and the Browns start struggling it'll only be a matter of time before fans start calling for Football.

[Raven]

it's pretty obvious the browns are terrorized by all the johnny jokes that are about to come soon.

[manufan10]

I think we can all agree that this is a stupid take:

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[Clipper Nation]

:lol Hoyer's clipboard-holder
:lol May: "I'm going to put my head down and work"
:lol July: "I'm sorry for all my 'rookie mistakes' (aka snorting coke) :cry"
:lol Only losing ground in the QB competition
:lol Leaf 2.0

[Blizzardwizard]

Manziel to scramble 85 yards for a TD on the first play from scrimmage only to be found celebrating by snorting cocaine he hid on the goal line.

[djohn2oo8]

First, the Browns (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/page/CLE/cleveland-browns) were reportedly "stunned" (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24637209/report-browns-stunned-by-johnny-manziels-nonstop-partying) by Johnny Manziel's nonstop partying. Days later, Manziel, the team's 2014 first-round pick, told reporters his off-field activities wouldn't affect his ability to win a starting job (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24637476/johnny-manziel-partying-doesnt-hurt-my-chances-of-winning-qb-job).
On Saturday, after the Browns' first training camp practice, team owner Jimmy Haslam weighed in on the matter.

"I don't want to wear this subject out,'' he said, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer (http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/07/browns_owner_jimmy_haslam_on_j.html)'s Mary Kay Cabot. "Johnny said it himself. He made some mistakes. We expect better from him. I'm sure he'll perform now. We're anxious to see what he can do on the field, which is what really counts."

Asked whether Manziel had learned his lesson about taking his job seriously, Haslam said, "We'll see."
Manziel's response to Haslam's "we'll see" attitude about his rookie quarterback?

"Here's the thing I want to say,'' Manziel began. "The reason that I'm popular or the reason people follow me and there's been such a buzz around me is that when I went out on Saturdays at Texas A&M, I played with an extreme amount of passion and I played with my heart on my sleeve.

"But more than anything, I had fun. I have fun playing this game. I have fun going out on this field playing football. It's what I live for, it's what I do. Same way off the field, whether I'm going out and playing golf or going out and having a night life, whatever it is, I have a lot of fun. That's what my life is and luckily for me, I'm living out my dream of playing in the NFL and having a ton of fun.

"My dream has come true and finally I got some time to get some down time and celebrate that with my family and friends. This is the greatest life that I could have ever imagined for me and I'm loving that. So will I continue to get better at being a professional and learn lessons about life? Of course.
"I'm 21 years old and age is not an excuse, but I need to mature and I have done some immature things but moving forward I'm going to try and mature and get better and handle myself better as a professional that's really all I can say about that.
"But my life is incredible. I'm blessed to be in this position and I'm going to have fun each and every day, whether it's practice, whether it's training camp, whether it's during the season and going out and playing the game, which will be even better or it's going out in the offseason and playing golf or hanging out with my family. Life's fun and enjoy it while it's here."
So there you have it: Johnny Football is all about having

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24638993/browns-owner-on-johnny-manziel-we-expect-better-from-him

:lmao

[Clipper Nation]

Same way off the field, whether I'm going out and playing golf

Leaf used to play golf instead of watching film too :lol

[Clipper Nation]

"I’ve heard from many close to the Chargers that Harrison speaks the truth, that Leaf was anything but a tireless worker. While the other quarterbacks were marching off to the film room for hours of analysis after practices, Leaf could be seen heading to the golf course. The Chargers’ handicap was busy working on his handicap."

http://web.archive.org/web/20050926015821/http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Commentary/Columns/2002/modglin080202.htm

[djohn2oo8]

BEREA, Ohio — A look at Browns rookie quarterback Johnny Manziel’s day at training camp.
JOHNNY’S STRUGGLES: Manziel continues to search for some level of consistency at training camp. He was not on target with many of his throws, struggling in 11-on-11 drills. Manziel was picked off multiple times, including a pass that sailed above wide receiver Anthony Armstrong’s head and was intercepted by Jordan Poyer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/quarterback-johnny-manziels-day-at-browns-camp/2014/07/29/e9582648-175c-11e4-88f7-96ed767bb747_story.html

[djohn2oo8]

Ex-Bills WR Andre Reed bashes Johnny Manziel: Who the F is he?Former Buffalo Bills (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/page/BUF/buffalo-bills) wide receiver Andre Reed spent 16 years in the NFL and in those 16 years, he played in four Super Bowls, seven Pro Bowls and caught more passes than all but 10 players in NFL history.
The point here is that Reed isn't a guy who's easily impressed and he's definitely not impressed with Johnny Manziel (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1824921/johnny-manziel).
In an interview with (http://nymag.com/news/features/jon-bon-jovi-buffalo-bills-2014-7/index2.html)New York Magazine (http://nymag.com/news/features/jon-bon-jovi-buffalo-bills-2014-7/index2.html), Reed had some not so pleasant things to say about Johnny Football.
The subject of Manziel came up during Reed's interview after a Manziel tweet about LeBron James showed up (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24616159/johnny-manziel-on-lebron-james-to-cleveland-yessssssss) on 'SportsCenter.' In the tweet, which Johnny Football sent outafter James annnounced his return (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24616046/lebron-james-announces-return-to-cleveland-cavaliers) to Cleveland, Manziel referred to James as 'My guy.'
"Who the f--- is Johnny Manziel?" Reed said. "LeBron ain't your guy! You're not 'Johnny Football.' You're 'Johnny Rookie Bitch.'"
Reed, who will be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame on Aug. 2, also added that Manziel wouldn't have been a good fit in Buffalo, "They'd boo that motherf----- outta here," Reed said. "The fans would put him in his place."
So if you're reading and you're Johnny Manziel's agent, try to avoid sending Johnny to Buffalo at any point in his career.
Manziel wasn't the only person Reed went after in his interview, the ex-Bills receiver also had strong comments for (http://nymag.com/news/features/jon-bon-jovi-buffalo-bills-2014-7/index2.html) Jon Bon Jovi. "Man, f--- Bon Jovi," Reed said. "You might as well just take this city, throw it in the river, and let it go down Niagara Falls."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24641755/ex-bills-wr-andre-reed-bashes-johnny-manziel-who-the-f-is-he

:rollin

[manufan10]

BEREA, Ohio — A look at Browns rookie quarterback Johnny Manziel’s day at training camp.
JOHNNY’S STRUGGLES: Manziel continues to search for some level of consistency at training camp. He was not on target with many of his throws, struggling in 11-on-11 drills. Manziel was picked off multiple times, including a pass that sailed above wide receiver Anthony Armstrong’s head and was intercepted by Jordan Poyer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/quarterback-johnny-manziels-day-at-browns-camp/2014/07/29/e9582648-175c-11e4-88f7-96ed767bb747_story.html

He had similar issues at A&M before finally winning the starting job.

Even though I'm a fan, I figured he would struggle. I always thought his game would have benefited from staying at A&M for one more season, but I can't fault him for leaving and taking/making the big bucks.

[spurraider21]

He had similar issues at A&M before finally winning the starting job.

Even though I'm a fan, I figured he would struggle. I always thought his game would have benefited from staying at A&M for one more season, but I can't fault him for leaving and taking/making the big bucks.
The main problem I saw (and most of SpursTalk outside of FkLA) is that we all know to translate to the NFL level you can't improvise as much as Johnny did, and you have to become a much more consistent player in the pocket. Manziel isn't a horrible pocket passer, but given his height, arm-strength, and what we've seen, he's an average prospect at best when it comes to pure pocket passing ability. Basically for him to convert to an NFL qb, he has to scramble and improvise less (what made him "johnny football" in college) and change the way he plays.

Basically you have to ask him to do less of what he was great at, and ask him to do more of what he was average at.

That wasn't even considering his character/off-field issues which are glaring red flags for a QB, more so than any other position in any sport.

[FkLA]

He struggled on the second day of full pads, as did Hoyer and the rest of the offense. Whoopty fucking doo tbh.

Justin Gilbert has been balling btw. :tu

[spurraider21]

Justin Gilbert has been balling btw. :tu
yeah, i heard he's Johnny's go-to receiver tbh :lol

[FkLA]

Nah, he got Hoyer not Football tbh.

First team reps will be split btw. Not a big deal but thought you'd like to know since you seemed pretty excited about him not getting any last week.

[Avante]

I keep seeing this scenario where Johnny Footall is considered a big mistake/a joke, then down goes Hoyer. Then years later when Johnny is a big star, the story is told over and over again not unlike Bledsoe/Brady.

[manufan10]

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[spurraider21]

1. Johnny update: Coach Mike Pettine told me before training camp started that coaches would evaluate Johnny Manziel through the first four days and decide whether he earned first-team reps. The numbers tabulated each day by ESPNCleveland’s Jason Gibbs have not been pretty. Gibbs has charted all plays in 7 on 7 and team drills. Unofficially, Manziel has completed 42 of 85 passes (49.4 percent). He has been “sacked” two times officially. Two other obvious sacks were waved off and resulted in Manziel interceptions. There has been one other interception, four keeper runs by Manziel and three plays aborted by general confusion. Manziel’s only touchdown pass came on a little flip to fullback Ray Agnew off a bootleg. It’s too early to draw conclusions. But it’s nearly impossible to make the case that Manziel has earned first-team reps.


and yet Pettine just announced that he'll be getting first team reps soon. must be manziel's swag

http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=17&post_id=35381

[benefactor]

So they are going to run Johnny packages a la Tebow? And when has that worked in the NFL? Please do this.:lol

[spurraider21]

So they are going to run Johnny packages a la Tebow? And when has that worked in the NFL? Please do this.:lol
i hate the idea of having a package for the backup, unless maybe its specifically a goal line thing like with Tebow... but otherwise i hate taking the starter out for a few snaps

[benefactor]

i hate the idea of having a package for the backup, unless maybe its specifically a goal line thing like with Tebow... but otherwise i hate taking the starter out for a few snaps
Agreed. It interrupts rhythm, which is especially important in the NFL. Pick one or the other and call it a day.

[manufan10]

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[FkLA]

So they are going to run Johnny packages a la Tebow? And when has that worked in the NFL? Please do this.:lol


i hate the idea of having a package for the backup, unless maybe its specifically a goal line thing like with Tebow... but otherwise i hate taking the starter out for a few snaps

It's called laying the groundwork for when Football inevitably takes over the starting spot. Obviously he has a broader skillet than Hoyer and these packages will take advantage of that.

Why does this even need to be explained? smh

[benefactor]

:lol...ok.

[Spur-Addict]

"Three Plays Aborted By General Confusion" :lol

[Raven]

"i'll be better in games" :lol :lol :lol all he does is win :lol

[spurraider21]

"i'll be better in games" :lol :lol :lol all he does is win :lol
is tebow his PR manager?

[Avante]

The teams that win have an established QB, a leader. Thw ones who don't have what Cleveland has, a mess at the QB position.

The team has no leader and really don't know who will end up leading them? So to see them 1-5 after 6 weeks is a very real possibility. They will be the underdogs in all of them.

What needs to happen is some big lineman smacks Johnny upside his head and tells him to cool his crap. This is a business now so act like a businessman not some punk college kid.

[djohn2oo8]

BEREA, Ohio — Johnny Manziel has quickly learned his college days — on the field anyway — are over. Less than a week into his first NFL training camp with the Browns, Manziel is going through the typical growing pains of any rookie quarterback. He’s doing all he can in the classroom to grasp Cleveland’s offense, but the former Heisman Trophy winner is finding that once he’s behind center, everything is moving faster than expected. He’s making mental and physical mistakes. The throws that came so easy for him at Texas A&M aren’t there. He’s not scrambling around and making defenders look silly. Not yet. Johnny Football isn’t dominating.


“I’m a rookie,” he said. “I don’t have all that stuff figured out.”

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2014/08/johnny-manziel-struggling-with-nfl-transition-says-its-me-vs-the-playbook/
Read more at: http://nesn.com/2014/08/johnny-manziel-struggling-with-nfl-transition-says-its-me-vs-the-playbook/

[Clipper Nation]

It's called laying the groundwork for when Football inevitably takes over the starting spot. Obviously he has a broader skillet than Hoyer and these packages will take advantage of that.

Why does this even need to be explained? smh
He has a broader skillet than Hoyer? Well, at least he can fry up some mean chicken for his teammates while warming the bench :lol

[Spur-Addict]

We talkin' about practice, NOT A GAME, NOT A GAME, NOT A GAME. We talkin' about practice....

[Clipper Nation]

Report: Johnny Manziel spotted at bar after Tuesday's practice

Manziel was spotted Tuesday night at Two Bucks (it's a bar!), which is less than two miles from the team's facility in Berea, Ohio, according to the Akron Beacon-Journal's Nate Ulrich.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24643642/report-johnny-manziel-spotted-at-bar-after-tuesdays-practice

[Clipper Nation]

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[FkLA]

Football took all the first team reps Monday.

ruh roh

[spurraider21]

Football took all the first team reps Monday.

ruh roh
they said it was planned from the start of camp tbh

[manufan10]

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[FkLA]

Preseason Game 1


Hoyer: 6/14 for 92 yds (one drop)

Football: 7/11 for 63 yds (two drops) + 6 carries for 27 yds

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BupH9hYCUAAjdrR.png

[Avante]

Preseason Game 1


Hoyer: 6/14 for 92 yds (one drop)

Football: 7/11 for 63 yds (two drops) + 6 carries for 27 yds

Now add....

Hoyer with first offensive line
JF with the second team

[manufan10]

Both were pretty solid, tbh. Hoyer led them to 2 scoring drives to Manziel's one. Although, one of Manziel's solid drives ended with a fumble in scoring range. Next week will be a good test for JFF playing with the starters.

[Aztecfan03]

Now add....

Hoyer with first offensive line
JF with the second team

Competition was probably different too.

[manufan10]

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[Clipper Nation]

Final Score

Kellen Moore: 7
Brian Hoyer: 6
Johnny Leaf: 3

[manufan10]

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[manufan10]

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[DesignatedT]

Manziel looked solid in his debut. Ready to see what he does in game two with the 1s.

[Raven]

Imo garoppolo and logan thomas had better games than jff.

[Kyle Orton]

It's crazy how it's the EXACT same offense that Kyle installed for the skins the past two years. Looks identical

[spurraider21]

Preseason Game 1


Hoyer: 6/14 for 92 yds (one drop)

Football: 7/11 for 63 yds (two drops) + 6 carries for 27 yds

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BupH9hYCUAAjdrR.png
manziel's passing didn't look bad, but the guy had 6 rushing attempts in 4 possessions, and he only slid once or twice, he was going headfirst a few times. he needs to adjust and tame himself or he can be another michael vick type story where he inevitably gets hurt. its not sustainable imo

next game will be good to watch, supposedly he will start and thus get time with the 1's and go against the 1's, unlike yesterday

[FkLA]

manziel's passing didn't look bad, but the guy had 6 rushing attempts in 4 possessions, and he only slid once or twice, he was going headfirst a few times. he needs to adjust and tame himself or he can be another michael vick type story where he inevitably gets hurt. its not sustainable imo

next game will be good to watch, supposedly he will start and thus get time with the 1's and go against the 1's, unlike yesterday


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkUU5DgGJCI&app=desktop

Nah, the only one that can come back and bite him in the ass is the head first dive into the defenders. But that was on a 3rd&1 on his first possession so can't hate on that too much. The other head first slide was into the ground.

BTW I couldn't think of a 6th rush off the top of my head and the video isn't showing it either. I'm assuming a QB kneel goes down as a rush in the boxscore, so he really only had 5--two out of bounds and two good slides.

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkUU5DgGJCI&app=desktop

Nah, the only one that can come back and bite him in the ass is the head first dive into the defenders. But that was on a 3rd&1 on his first possession so can't hate on that too much. The other head first slide was into the ground.

BTW I couldn't think of a 6th rush off the top of my head and the video isn't showing it either. I'm assuming a QB kneel goes down as a rush in the boxscore, so he really only had 5--two out of bounds and two good slides.
true. still, it goes to show that he is still quite reliant on his feet, which was my main criticism of him throughout the process

[Avante]

It's real obvious Manziel is the Browns QB, will he ever be one of the NFL's elite, I do doubt that. We have to go way way back to Otto Graham, to find a Browns QB who was among the elite.

[DesignatedT]

Manziel has been an underrated passer his entire career. He can make every throw. I laugh at analyst who question his ability to throw and play in the pocket. He certainly needs to get better in those areas but those who think he can't do it aren't paying attention

[Avante]

Manziel has been an underrated passer his entire career. He can make every throw. I laugh at analyst who question his ability to throw and play in the pocket. He certainly needs to get better in those areas but those who think he can't do it aren't paying attention

Just look at his passing stats, only a fool would think the guy can't throw a football. I've seen him make some...wow!..throws. hell anyone who has ever seen him play has also.

The only thing with this guy is he does need to realize...is Johnny having fun...no longer matters, he is in big business now, his days of...I NEED FUN!..are over. And he is too slight to be doing a lot of running, unless he does make a real effort at sliding.

[djohn2oo8]

Manziel stans omitting the obvious flaws of Manziel not being able to line up under center and make a throw, instead needing the read option :lol

[Avante]

All the guy did was complete 68.9 of his passes.
He had 63 td's and only 22 INT's
And he had a career 168.1 QB ranking

What are you looking at?

[djohn2oo8]

All the guy did was complete 68.9 of his passes.
He had 63 td's and only 22 INT's
And he had a career 168.1 QB ranking

What are you looking at?
How many plays did he line up under center?

[Henrik Sedin]

Manziel stans omitting the obvious flaws of Manziel not being able to line up under center and make a throw, instead needing the read option :lol

You are over-analyzing things.

[Henrik Sedin]

How many plays did he line up under center?

Who cares?

[Raven]

Who cares?

anyone with a brain i'm guessing... for the record, he was pretty close to a season ending injury three times in his first game.

[Henrik Sedin]

anyone with a brain i'm guessing... for the record, he was pretty close to a season ending injury three times in his first game.

I'm guessing that doesn't include you then.

[Daniel Sedin]

anyone with a brain i'm guessing... for the record, he was pretty close to a season ending injury three times in his first game.

lol, please tell me you aren't referring to when he slid and when he ran out of bounds?

[manufan10]

“It’s your time now.”
—Cleveland receiver Anthony Armstrong to Johnny Manziel in the huddle Saturday night, before the first play of Manziel’s career.
DETROIT — At his locker in the visitors’ quarters Saturday night, not long before the clock struck midnight at Ford Field, stood safety Donte Whitner, the ebullient Cleveland Brown. Not a lot of people would be thrilled to be a Brown. But Whitner, born in Cleveland and educated at Glenville High on 113th Street in the city and then at Ohio State, had to soak it all in Saturday in the bowels of this stadium. For eight years he’d played professionally in Buffalo and then San Francisco, and tonight he’d finally put on the white jersey with brown numbers of his hometown team. “I stood in front of the mirror in the bathroom for 10 minutes, just staring,” Whitner said. “So strange. Like, I’m a Brown. My heart’s been here, and now I’m here.”
I figured Whitner would be the best man in the room to ask about the quarterback—the phenom, Johnny Manziel, versus the unproven but decidedly more even-keeled vet, Brian Hoyer. Whitner knows what Cleveland the city wants. Whitner has played in a Super Bowl and was the leader of a Niners secondary that held up its end for three straight playoff seasons. Whitner said all the right things about the competition between Hoyer and Manziel, which does appear close in the wake of Saturday’s preseason opener here. Close, with Manziel gaining fast on the turn into home … which no one expected a month ago. This looked clearly to be Hoyer’s gig, at least to start the season. Not anymore. The gap has closed significantly, and Saturday night was Exhibit A why.
“It’s been fierce,” Whitner said. “Two guys fighting for their lives. It’s close. I’d say [the locker room] is split about 50-50. We know they both can play.”
Manziel outplayed Hoyer in the 13-12 loss to Detroit, but the rookie (seven of 11 for 64 yards and no touchdowns or picks, six carries for 27 yards) was a B and the vet a C or C-plus. Not enough to tip the scales, yet. But from the first throw of the two quarters he played—a lasered eight-yard out route to Anthony Armstrong—Manziel was the player he’d been at Texas A&M in terms of confidence and running the game his way. That helped on a couple of throws, and on a 16-yard scramble that parted the Red Sea on the Detroit line. But it hurt him on a fourth-and-short when he rolled right and ran for the sticks, bypassing what would have been a medium- to big-gain throw to fullback Ray Agnew; Manziel barely made the necessary yard for a first down. That was a clear case of Manziel playing the way he did at Texas A&M, taking the offense into his own hands and saying, I’ll get the first down. Everyone stand clear. That’s not a smart way in the NFL because it’s just going to get him hit more. And at his size, the object is to let the other offensive guys get hit, not him.


The fact that Manziel is close heading into one of the last tests Monday night against Washington (Browns coach Mike Pettine ideally would like to name a starter by game three of the preseason) is surprising. When Hoyer and Manziel left Cleveland in mid-June for their pre-camp break, Hoyer had a comfortable lead over the rookie. Manziel wasn’t entirely sure of himself, and he was making a few mental errors and not playing with his usual confidence in practice. The Browns wondered if he’d come back in top mental and physical shape. He did, despite his Vegas dalliances. It’s probably true that offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan would prefer playing the veteran, at least early. But how much difference is Hoyer’s experience, really? He’s thrown 193 NFL passes and started four games. This isn’t the Arizona Kurt Warner we’re talking about.
One more “but” for Manziel: He can’t be running at Saturday’s rate—six times in six series—and survive. Which he knows. “Obviously,” he said, “that’s not the plan, for me to get that many carries every week. The better I get at progressions, the more I get comfortable with the play calls and the scheme and what we’re trying to do and pre-snap looks, the more and more I continue to get better over time. And less and less running. Hopefully that will weed out.I asked Whitner what he thought of Manziel after being around the celeb quarterback for a couple of months now.
“Very quiet,” Whitner said. “Very respectful. He’s earning his keep so far. He’s not asking for any privileges. He’s just a rookie, and he’s acting like one. When we have the rookie show, he’ll sing just like the rest of them. As far as football goes, I’m seeing him put the ball on the money like a veteran. Sometimes the receiver drops it. Sometimes the receiver isn’t even looking for the ball and it bounces off him. He’s got the confidence a quarterback has to have.”
Too much confidence? I saw the right amount on the field, and, for what it’s worth, humility off it. On the field, he was the spitting image of the Texas A&M Manziel, throwing BBs and running when he wanted. I thought he’d be a bit tentative and not as decisive as, say, he was against Alabama in his defining college games. Not at all. He was who the Browns drafted.
When he finished showering and dressing (white button-down Oxford shirt, dress jeans) after the game, he stood at his locker and quietly talked on his phone or talked to a couple of the team PR guys softly. In front of the press, it was all about the team, and about progress. “For me,” he said, “it’s all about getting better. At the end of the day, what I want is what’s best for the Cleveland Browns. Whichever quarterback that is, whichever way I can help this team, that’s what I’m about. I need to soak in this game tonight, learn from the film, and things will work out the way they’re supposed to.”
That’s the press-conference Johnny. That’s fine for the fifth quarter—the post-game message-sending—but for the first four quarters, Whitner and his mates want a different Johnny.
“We need him to be Johnny Football,” Whitner said.


http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/11/johnny-manziel-preseason-browns-michael-sam-rams/
http://simmqb.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/jm.jpg?w=360&h=343Johnny Manziel accounted for 91 yards of total offense on Saturday night. (Leon Halip/Getty Images)

[manufan10]

anyone with a brain i'm guessing... for the record, he was pretty close to a season ending injury three times in his first game.

He took 2 snaps from under center against the Lions and both passes were on target. So apparently he can make those throws.

:lol at "close to a season ending injury."

[Raven]

lol, please tell me you aren't referring to when he slid and when he ran out of bounds?

0:35, 1:18, 2:05, 2:30

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Frizzle hopping on Johnny Leaf's dick now

[Daniel Sedin]

0:35, 1:18, 2:05, 2:30

Career-ending? I don't think so.

[Raven]

Career-ending? I don't think so.
i said season ending.

[Clipper Nation]

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[Raven]

http://i.imgur.com/w0kyH0Y.jpg

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i can only imagine the hype that would have been if it was johnny to make that throw.

[spurraider21]

i can only imagine the hype that would have been if it was johnny to make that throw.

LOL at the haters who said Football can't throw from the pocket. making you all look stupid, football's got this :hat

[FkLA]

sweet throw vs 4th stringers

lol pocket presence on a read option

[FkLA]

The notion that someone 'can't throw' when lining up under center is idiotic. Arm strength and accuracy don't magically disappear by lining up under center.

Right now he's clearly and understandably more comfortable in the shotgun. Making your QB feel comfortable is pretty important for a first game, so I'm sure that had something to do with it.

[spurraider21]

The notion that someone 'can't throw' when lining up under center is idiotic. Arm strength and accuracy don't magically disappear by lining up under center.
i agree tbh. my reasoning behind the manziel criticism has never been that he can't throw or he's a terrible passer.

[FkLA]

i said season ending.

Football missed a grand total of zero games in college. Every hit isn't 'near season ending', just stop. :lol

[Clipper Nation]

sweet throw vs 4th stringers

lol pocket presence on a read option

But you slurp Manziel for monkeyballing against scrubs...

lol Diaw > Lee
lol tranny porn

[FkLA]

i agree tbh. my reasoning behind the manziel criticism has never been that he can't throw or he's a terrible passer.

Comment was moreso directed at dumbjohn. I know your issue with Football is that running is part of his game. I happen to think that if his passing is good+he is smart about it running only makes him more lethal.

Watch his post-game interview. The guy gets it--he knows passing should be his main focus and that when he runs he needs to avoid unnecessary hits.

[Raven]

Football missed a grand total of zero games in college. Every hit isn't 'near season ending', just stop. :lol

at this point even a dislodged shoulder is already season ending... and a hit from a lineman coming from the blindside is pretty much season ending most of the time.. and that was a friendly game..

[FkLA]

But you slurp Manziel for monkeyballing against scrubs...

lol Diaw > Lee
lol tranny porn

Football: 2nd soon to be 1st stringer
lolBSU: 4th stringer

lol pocket presence on a read option

[Clipper Nation]

Football: 2nd soon to be 1st stringer
lolBSU: 4th stringer

lol pocket presence on a read option
Touchdown Passes:

Kellen Football: 1
Johnny Leaf: lol

lol Diaw > Lee
lol tranny porn

[Daniel Sedin]

Touchdown Passes:

Kellen Football: 1
Johnny Leaf: lol

lol Diaw > Lee
lol tranny porn

Superbowls:
Big Ben: 2
Entire Chargers organization: 1

[Clipper Nation]

Superbowls:
Big Ben: 2
Entire Chargers organization: 1

Cum Newton: 0 playoff wins, let alone Super Bowls

lol Cum > Montana

[Daniel Sedin]

Cum Newton: 0 playoff wins, let alone Super Bowls

lol Cum > Montana

I'm a Steelers fan you blind, Communist retard.

[Clipper Nation]

I'm a Steelers fan you blind, Communist retard.
:lol Posing as a Steelers fan out of sheer embarrassment for rooting for a Cum Newton-led team
:lol Steelers, Yankees, and Spurs
:lol Bigger bandwagoner than Drake

[spurraider21]

Comment was moreso directed at dumbjohn. I know your issue with Football is that running is part of his game. I happen to think that if his passing is good+he is smart about it running only makes him more lethal.

Watch his post-game interview. The guy gets it--he knows passing should be his main focus and that when he runs he needs to avoid unnecessary hits.
its nice that he said it, but thats literally what every running quarterback says :lol

i've heard similar comments from RG3, Vick, Young, etc

[manufan10]

its nice that he said it, but thats literally what every running quarterback says :lol

i've heard similar comments from RG3, Vick, Young, etc

It doesn't help when your OC calls running plays for you either. :lol

But last season he showed that he could throw the ball more. He was more patient and didn't take off right away like he did freshman year. I think when you have a mobile QB, you don't want to take all of that away and make him just a pocket passer. However, I'd rather see Johnny get his rushing from freelancing and not from designed runs. The designed runs put more unnecessary hits on him than the scrambling.

[Raven]

its nice that he said it, but thats literally what every running quarterback says :lol

i've heard similar comments from RG3, Vick, Young, etc

yeah, pretty much always the same story, except that Knee actually had the arm strength and height to make those assumpions...

[spurraider21]

It doesn't help when your OC calls running plays for you either. :lol

But last season he showed that he could throw the ball more. He was more patient and didn't take off right away like he did freshman year. I think when you have a mobile QB, you don't want to take all of that away and make him just a pocket passer. However, I'd rather see Johnny get his rushing from freelancing and not from designed runs. The designed runs put more unnecessary hits on him than the scrambling.
i think Rodgers/Luck are the ideal mobile QB's that these kids should model their games after. i'm also not a fan of designed runs for QB's except the occasional naked bootleg... or sneak/draw in short yardage.

[FkLA]

its nice that he said it, but thats literally what every running quarterback says :lol

i've heard similar comments from RG3, Vick, Young, etc

Football is smarter than those guys tbf.

[manufan10]

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I really think the Browns and the NFL missed the boat with Hard Knocks. Manziel = ratings. Strike while the iron is hot, imo.

[manufan10]

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They also waived QB Tyler Thigpen.