Manu Ginobili has announced on Twitter he will play for Argentina this offseason

[kobyz]

Manu fucked us bad, now because of him it's fair to say we hurt our chances to repeat, and for Tim to get his sixth and to enter the discussion with MJ...

[Johnny RIngo]

That's why the Spurs brought in Belinelli. He is Ginobili insurance. He's definitely going to play a larger role next season. New players usually have a bump their second year with the Spurs and I want to see Chicago playoffs Belinelli instead of sitting on the bench Belinelli.

Why do people keep saying this? Because Marco's European? Healthy Manu is a clutch mofo, playmaker, solid defender, and an efficient scorer. Marco is none of these things. He's a terrible player. You're insulting Manu when you compare Bellineli to him. Marco's best season wouldn't even be half as good as Manu's worst.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

We're fucked then. God help the Spurs if they think Marco can replicate Ginobili's production.



You clearly haven't visited Spurstalk in the past year.

I disagree with that. Beli did a fine job in the REGULAR SEASON. Only avg. one point less than Manu. The post season isn't until 10 months away. Manu should have plenty of rest by then. As long as he doesn't go to the basket like a Madmen, 10 times a game like he use to, he should be fine.

If we were talking about Beli replacing Manu in the playoffs, that is a different story. Bonner has shown, just b/c you suck in the playoffs, you can be the King of +/- in the regular season.

[Mel_13]

Manu fucked us bad, now because of him it's fair to say we hurt our chances to repeat, and for Tim to get his sixth and to enter the discussion with MJ...

You could just off yourself now, without Manu there's no need to wait for the Spurs to be knocked out of the playoffs in 2015.

[ElNono]

Here's the schedule:

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/14/wcm/p/schedule.html

[RD2191]

Here's the schedule:

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/14/wcm/p/schedule.html
:pctoss

[Mel_13]

Here's the schedule:

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/14/wcm/p/schedule.html

5 games in 6 days to open the tourney.

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

Aren't the same people who complain now those that were going :cry "Manu is washed, finished, he can't carry the team, this is TP's and Leonard team now" :cry. You can't have it both ways.

[ElNono]

5 games in 6 days to open the tourney.

yeah, France vs Brazil opening up... must see tv...

I'll probably prepare a Spurs-centric schedule in it's own thread later on...

[Skull-1]

:lmao

Wouldn't be surprised of Boris Diaw jumps ship now. Manu went through all that trouble to give his teammates an "emotional" speech on trying to repeat again only to throw out any chance of repeating :rollin


F this guy. Unbelievable! Time to retire my #20 jersey once and for all... Looking for avatar suggestions...

[Johnny RIngo]

If we were talking about Beli replacing Manu in the playoffs, that is a different story. Bonner has shown, just b/c you suck in the playoffs, you can be the King of +/- in the regular season.

The playoffs confirmed that Belinelli's just a shitty player. If you look at Marco's career numbers, he's always been a negative impact guy. He puts up empty stats basically. Ginobili, in comparison, has been one of the most impactful players of his generation.

IMO, Marco's completely expendable. I would be in favor of Spurs moving him but Marco's crappy playoff run probably destroyed any value he might have had.

[Mel_13]

yeah, France vs Brazil opening up... must see tv...

I'll probably prepare a Spurs-centric schedule in it's own thread later on...

I'd love to see Manu matched up against Kawhi, but that can't happen any earlier than the semis (and Kawhi still has to make the team).

[baseline bum]

Argentina will manage his minutes too. He'll be nothing but a glorified cheerleader to inspire his countrymen, tbh. That will be his role. I don't know why people here are losing their shit over it. He's not going to play the minutes TP played for France last year.

What makes you say that?

[kaji157]

5 games in 6 days to open the tourney.

Yeah, but 2 of them are against Phillipines, Senegal and i don´t think Ginobili will play a major role in any other game than Croatia and Puerto Rico.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

F this guy. Unbelievable! Time to retire my #20 jersey once and for all... Looking for avatar suggestions...

Still remember this moment back in '08

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20080822&t=2&i=5709753&w=320&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=2008-08-22T175507Z_01_PEK209052_RTRUKOP_0_PICTURE0

[vagabundios]

Hahahaha, the people in this forum is something else. You are like a bunch of girls who like to trash talk all day long. Spurs got the title and you still find ways to cry and complain... my god, try to relax a little.

[baseline bum]

5 games in 6 days to open the tourney.

Holy fuck, that's ridiculous.

[Mel_13]

Yeah, but 2 of them are against Phillipines, Senegal and i don´t think Ginobili will play a major role in any other game than Croatia and Puerto Rico.

I'm not worried. Pop will make sure that Manu has plenty of rest before the games that count begin.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I'd love to see Manu matched up against Kawhi, but that can't happen any earlier than the semis (and Kawhi still has to make the team).

Actually, I believe they can only meet in the Finals or 3rd place game. Argentina is in group B, US in group C. Half of the draw is A vs B (top 4 of each group) and the Bottom half is C vs D.

[SpurPadre]

What makes you say that?

Julio Lamas, the NT coach was interviewed on univision sports tv recently and he said he would try to talk Manu into playing for them once more in a limited capacity because he knows he isn't the same Manu and knows how beat up he can get. People need to chill.

[Mel_13]

Actually, I believe they can only meet in the Finals or 3rd place game. Argentina is in group B, US in group C. Half of the draw is A vs B (top 4 of each group) and the Bottom half is C vs D.

You're right.

[MannyIsGod]

Manu can do whatever the hell he wants and I'm OK with it.

[hitmantb]

Remember Green was intimidated by OKC's vast superior talents in 2012 and cost Spurs a series, and more than redeemed himself in 2013 and 2014. Patty Mills was a towel leader last year. Marco can get there as well. He hit a couple of huge shots (the 3 when Miami rallied to 7 points in game 3).

Crossing my fingers Manu will not play a big role for Argentina. He is still Spurs's best player in desperate situations. Without his performance in the final minute of OKC game 6 we would have to play a game 7 and even if we won, fatigue would have been a huge factor against the Heat. Momentum swinging plays can decide an entire series, and Manu is all about momentum.

Spurs will not repeat without Manu playing similar to the level he played at this year. Crossing my fingers on the paleo diet saving his body.

[Skull-1]

Fuck this clown... Old ass Argentina will do shitty again



Indeed. I hope the OP IS TROLLING.....

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

The playoffs confirmed that Belinelli's just a shitty player. If you look at Marco's career numbers, he's always been a negative impact guy. He puts up empty stats basically. Ginobili, in comparison, has been one of the most impactful players of his generation.

IMO, Marco's completely expendable. I would be in favor of Spurs moving him but Marco's crappy playoff run probably destroyed any value he might have had.

Marco spaces the floor. He was 7th in the NBA 3p shooting last season and best on the Spurs. Look at his stats, they were the best of his career. The guy is a quality bench player and for 2.8mil, you aren't going to get anyone better than him. Playoffs are about matchups, and the only matchup that suited Beli was the Portland series. He did ok against Fisher in the OKC series.

This was Beli first season with the Spurs. Everyone from Brent, Finley, RMJ, RJ, Green, etc. etc. all struggled their first season. I remember when people here said Green sucked and him shitting the bed against OKC. What about him now.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3190/marco-belinelli

[Pocho La Pantera]

The great faggot and kobyz, what a pair of fucking retards.

[Hemotivo]

Manu can do whatever the hell he wants and I'm OK with it.

:wow

[Seventyniner]

I'm glad Manu is doing this. It's probably his last real chance to play meaningful international games representing his country while still hoping to be effective. In two years Manu will likely be retired and at 39 (is that right?), he won't have much in the tank.

[Skull-1]

Spurs hater ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Manu is the Spurs hater...

[SpurPadre]

Now, if we hear TP fucked Vanessa Macias after Game 5 THEN we should react this way but for THIS, come on. I'm still on a championship high and I'm going to keep enjoying it.

[Skull-1]

No shit he's "earned the right to do that." He can do whatever the fuck he wants, but some options clearly show that he cares more about his national team than he does the Spurs team and this is one of them. He's an old, decrepit shitbag who's extremely prone to injury and by playing for the national team he's ensured that we won't even have a chance at the title next year. It's a big "fuck you" to the organization that pays his salary.

This.

[Johnny RIngo]

Julio Lamas, the NT coach was interviewed on univision sports tv recently and he said he would try to talk Manu into playing for them once more

This guy deserves your hatred people. Not Manu. Ginobili's a competitor at heart so when a coach calls him up and urges him to "play for us just one last time" he's not going to turn him down. Argentina basketball federation can go fuck itself.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I'm glad Manu is doing this. It's probably his last real chance to play meaningful international games representing his country while still hoping to be effective. In two years Manu will likely be retired and at 39 (is that right?), he won't have much in the tank.

He will be 38 by the time the 16 season ends. He is 36 turning 37 next month.

[DarrinS]

F this guy. Unbelievable! Time to retire my #20 jersey once and for all... Looking for avatar suggestions...


This one represents you well

http://lolpics.se/pics/5480.jpg

[Skull-1]

I get the whole nationalism and pride thing with Manu but come the fuck on, Argentina sucks balls and they aren't winning shit especially with such an old ass team. Same thing with Boris/Parker. Their international play has definitely taken something away from our runs and it's pointless because neither France/Argentina is going to win shit anyway. Just rest already for fucks sake...

This.

[Mel_13]

Marco spaces the floor. He was 7th in the NBA 3p shooting last season and best on the Spurs. Look at his stats, they were the best of his career. The guy is a quality bench player and for 2.8mil, you aren't going to get anyone better than him. Playoffs are about match, and the only matchup that suited Beli was the Portland series. He did ok against Fisher in the OKC series.

This was Beli first season with the Spurs. Everyone from Brent, Finley, RMJ, RJ, Green, etc. etc. all struggled their first season. I remember when people here said Green sucked and him shitting the bed against OKC. What about him now.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3190/marco-belinelli

Marco's most important 2013-14 stat, IMO, was minutes played. He was second on the team in minutes played. In a season that saw Manu, Danny, and Kawhi on the DL at the same time, Marco helped keep the train on the tracks. He made an important contribution to many regular season wins and HCA throughout the playoffs.

[Skull-1]

Come on guys, he's only going to be 39, next season. .
:lol

[Skull-1]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/0829/nba_g_ginobili_300.jpg :lol

[it's me]

Truth is most NORTH Americans will NEVER understand what it means for international players to represent their countries period. So the discussion is pointless. It's like discussing about faith and religion tbh.

[Skull-1]

He has more than earned the right to do whatever the fuck he wants.


Not. Spurs pay his salary, not Argentina.

[SpurPadre]

This guy deserves your hatred people. Not Manu. Ginobili's a competitor at heart so when a coach calls him up and urges him to "play for us just one last time" he's not going to turn him down. Argentina basketball federation can go fuck itself.

He said he would try to bring the band back together too with tired retreads Nocioni, Scola, and Prigioni. Man, they need to rebuild their basketball system over there but it's tough when most kids there just want to focus on soccer.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Marco's most important 2013-14 stat, IMO, was minutes played. He was second on the team in minutes played. In a season that saw Manu, Danny, and Kawhi on the DL at the same time, Marco helped keep the train on the tracks. He made an important contribution to many regular season wins and HCA throughout the playoffs.

Thank you, at least someone watch some games. The reason Manu was so fresh this postseason is b/c yes, Beli picked up the slack for him a lot in the regular season. Without Beli, Manu more than likely doesn't have the playoff performance he did this postseason.

Beli was awesome against Portland while Manu basically was a no show and only avg like 18 mpg. Again, this allowed Manu to go off in the OKC series, which the Spurs needed with Parker ailing.

[Skull-1]

This one represents you well



Your fixation with male anatomy smacks of projection.

[Gervin44Silas13]

DA FUGG????
Manu's kids are reacting the same way as Spurs fans are....LMAO!!!!!
http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/34521343/20140615_mje_sq8_212.jpg.0_cinema_1050.0.jpg

[superbigtime]

Some children on this forum sure over-react and the disrespect is disgusting. Manu stays in shape and motivated this way. He loves playing for his country and he loves the international game. Why do you think Manu is a winner? Because he plays the game. I've got no problems with it. He's earned the right.

[Johnny RIngo]

Marco spaces the floor. He was 7th in the NBA 3p shooting last season and best on the Spurs.

Where was this floor spacing in the playoffs? Marco looked like '04 Hedo out there.


Look at his stats, they were the best of his career.

Empty box-score stats. Marco's impact stats were terrible(like always). Completely awful on defense to the point that it negated whatever contribution he gave you on offense.


The guy is a quality bench player and for 2.8mil, you aren't going to get anyone better than him.

He's overpaid at 2.8 mil. Even worse, Spurs had to dig into their MLE to sign him.


Playoffs are about matchups, and the only matchup that suited Beli was the Portland series. He did ok against Fisher in the OKC series.

He really didn't look good in any series. Maybe a game or two against Portland. But it's not like he was needed in that series anyway with the way Parker was playing.


This was Beli first season with the Spurs. Everyone from Brent, Finley, RMJ, RJ, Green, etc. etc. all struggled their first season. I remember when people here said Green sucked and him shitting the bed against OKC. What about him now.

It's a myth that every player in the Spur system will improve after one year. Jefferson never got better. Blair never got better. Mason never got better. Gary Neal was worse by his 3rd year in SA. Beno never did anything better in his 2nd year. DeColo looked just as bad in year two. Shitty players will always be shitty players no matter how much time they spend in the Spurs system.

[Hemotivo]

the disrespect is disgusting. Manu stays in shape and motivated this way. He loves playing for his country and he loves the international game. Why do you think Manu is a winner? Because he plays the game. I've got no problems with it. He's earned the right.

:tu

[Johnny RIngo]

He said he would try to bring the band back together too with tired retreads Nocioni, Scola, and Prigioni. Man, they need to rebuild their basketball system over there but it's tough when most kids there just want to focus on soccer.

There hasn't been a decent young Argy bball player in quite a while. Not surprised they keep going back to their golden generation time after time. It really sucks for Spurs fans especially. Imagine what a rested Manu would have done to the Heat in 2013. Healthy Manu is one of the most lethal players on the planet.

[Kool Bob Love]

So happy for the 2nd greatest player in San Antonio Spurs history!!!!111

doing whatever the fuck he wants to do and the spurs gotta pay him 7 milli next year.:lol
And there is NOTHING you peeps can do about it.:rollin

Ginobiliiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!

:flag:

[littlecoyotecoin]

As i said in another thread i am ok either way.
Pop has discovered this year a formula to revive a player that has been playing all summer (Parker). Give him a month off and let him get back to competition slowly, the Spurs won´t need much from him on the RS and Belinelli showed that even if he can´t stay on court in the PO he´s great for the regular season and keeping Manu fresh. So no trouble there.
I say that Pop will manage Ginobili situation much better than other seasons, where he usually rode him early because he was more in rhythm than his teammates, making him a focal point to start the season only to latter realize that he couldn´t keep up.
I expect Pop to figure out a way to have Ginobili effective by playoff time weather if he plays this summer or not.
I hope most of you hope for me to be right.

Except that formula didn't work. Parker came back fresh for a few games, then looked tired. Then pulled a hammy. Then sprained an ankle. Manu has the right to do what he wishes, and he may haved earned higher wages if he didn't pull this stuff, it's all factored into the equation.

[baseline bum]

Julio Lamas, the NT coach was interviewed on univision sports tv recently and he said he would try to talk Manu into playing for them once more in a limited capacity because he knows he isn't the same Manu and knows how beat up he can get. People need to chill.

OK, thanks. Good to hear, as they used to run him into the ground. Still, 5 games in 6 days to open things is insane.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Ginobili´s replaccement is Belinelli and he IS on the team. And this BUM is the second best SG of his era arguably. Just because you are a society that calls itself proud of your nation but disregard international representation that doesn´t mean that Ginobili should be criticziced for what he is rightfully choosing.
Take for example Parker. Who played 3 straight years for his NT, i didn´t see people bitching around over here.
Manu has never played back to back tournaments for Argentina, he was always caution on not playing back to back summers (with the only exception being a 11 games qualification tournament argentina hosted) , so there is no reason to be shitting about everything he does.

You don't pay very good attention. Everyone wishes Parker wouldn't play summer ball and celebrated when he announced he wouldn't this year.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Where was this floor spacing in the playoffs? Marco looked like '04 Hedo out there.



Empty box-score stats. Marco's impact stats were terrible(like always). Completely awful on defense to the point that it negated whatever contribution he gave you on offense.



He's overpaid at 2.8 mil. Even worse, Spurs had to dig into their MLE to sign him.



He really didn't look good in any series. Maybe a game or two against Portland. But it's not like he was needed in that series anyway with the way Parker was playing.



It's a myth that every player in the Spur system will improve after one year. Jefferson never got better. Blair never got better. Mason never got better. Gary Neal was worse by his 3rd year in SA. Beno never did anything better in his 2nd year. DeColo looked just as bad in year two. Shitty players will always be shitty players no matter how much time they spend in the Spurs system.

Neal was not worse, he shot lights out in the Finals last year. Neal just never improved defensively. Beno never recovered from Hunter's traumatizing him in the Finals. RMJ funny you bring him up. I remember on this board everyone praising him his first season, yet he had the same exact stats as Marco. I doubt Marco shits the bed like RMJ did his 2nd year with the Spurs.

Say what you want, but many feel as I do, Marco played well for the Spurs last year and helped keep Manu freshed for most of the season. Empty stats or not, he has a huge part off the Spurs bench in helping them get HCA in the playoffs.

[SpurPadre]

OK, thanks. Good to hear, as they used to run him into the ground. Still, 5 games in 6 days to open things is insane.

Yeah, that schedule is immoral, tbh. About Lamas, that was his pitch and hopefully Manu won't lobby for more minutes once he's there but I'm not worried.

[vma16]

Truth is most NORTH Americans will NEVER understand what it means for international players to represent their countries period. So the discussion is pointless. It's like discussing about faith and religion tbh.

This...

you guys just wont get it, stop trying

[Spur|n|Austin]

I´m from Argentina and I can´t believe it...He really likes to play for our country, but being realistic, there is no chance we can win the Worlds even if he somehow manages to play like 2005 again...I´m still in shock, the Spurs deserved a try for a repeat and magical storybook ending a la David Robinson. I guess that he will skip all b2b and play like 50 or 60 games this year and a maximum of 20 minutes to keep him fresh.

[DPG21920]

He is free to choose and he deserves to do what he loves. However, just like the Spurs can't force him to not play contractually, they are his employeer and every action has consequences. Hopefully, even though Manu isn't doing anything contractually wrong (or morally), the consequences aren't bad.

[Johnny RIngo]

Say what you want, but many feel as I do, Marco played well for the Spurs last year and helped keep Manu freshed for most of the season. Empty stats or not, he has a huge part off the Spurs bench in helping them get HCA in the playoffs.

Marco pulled an '04 Hedo this year. Only reason nobody hates him right now is because everybody's on a high after seeing the Spurs win the title. If SA came up short this year, Marco would be getting slaughtered on these boards. It's no coincidence that Heat got raped in games 3 through 5 when Belli only played 6 mpg. Only game Heat won was when Marco got 20+ minutes. He's just not a playoff performer. Never will be with that shitty defense.

He's also a crutch in the regular season - Puts up empty stats(like Bonner). Never delivers in the playoffs though. Gives you 11 ppg in the reg season only to drop to 5 ppg in the post-season.

[peacemaker885]

This...

you guys just wont get it, stop trying

Negative comments are normal for homer fans. Do not for once ever think that American's don't love their country. American's die everyday in faraway lands for our country. Americans die everyday just to give someone else a chance for freedom. We not only get it, we live it.

[it's me]

Negative comments are normal for homer fans. Do not for once ever think that American's don't love their country. American's die everyday in faraway lands for our country. Americans die everyday just to give someone else a chance for freedom. We not only get it, we live it.

:lmao....completely different subject.....we're talking sports and representing their countries..... nothing to do with securing your oil sources for the next generations TBH.

[KL2]

Chances are he gets injured, and gains the rest he needs that way. The Spurs shouldn't have to deal with this BS, this is extremely selfish on his part, it just makes SA struggle even more.


Don't forget what comes with being the champ, teams will go their hardest next year to beat SA, it's going to be a grind.

[DAF86]

Damn, reading these comment you would think Manu is Lebron. :lmao Last summer Boris and Tony (you know, our go to guy. The guy that usually plays more minutes) played in the Euros and look where we got.

[ducks]

if manu earned the right then so did tp
can not have it both ways

[DAF86]

Aguero is not more popular than Manu.

Agree on Maradona and Messi, though..

Pope, tbh.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Neal was not worse, he shot lights out in the Finals last year. Neal just never improved defensively. Beno never recovered from Hunter's traumatizing him in the Finals. RMJ funny you bring him up. I remember on this board everyone praising him his first season, yet he had the same exact stats as Marco. I doubt Marco shits the bed like RMJ did his 2nd year with the Spurs.

Say what you want, but many feel as I do, Marco played well for the Spurs last year and helped keep Manu freshed for most of the season. Empty stats or not, he has a huge part off the Spurs bench in helping them get HCA in the playoffs.

Ginobili is one my favorite players, ever, probably. Only bested by Tim. Marco can't hold a candle to him. But, the empty stats argument is empty. Belli played HUGE minutes in the regular season and we won 62 games securing home court overall. Those are not empty stats. We did that with Belli leading the team or second in minutes played. That is a big accomplishment for The Spurs. Even IF he doesn't improve, and can only give use what he gave, it's a hell of a lot. If he can improve, even better. People love this poetic "team" shit we always hear, but it is clear that a lot of people don't understand how a lot of the cogs come together to work for the team.


I wish Manu weren't going to play this summer, but it might not be the end of the world.

This thread.

Tim might as well retire now?
Boris and Patty won't re-sign?

We weren't favored to repeat anyway, before this. Step back from the ledges, our chance didn't go to zero after this announcement. And, we probably could not attract talent to San Antonio while asking them to simultaneously take pay cuts if we were hardline dicks about them playing for their national teams. This is just part of the business, unfortunately.

I will show the love for Manu, while simultaneously rooting for Argentina to lose as quickly as possible.

Sorry, Manu, you understand. Just business. I am as passionate about my Spurs as you are for Argentina. Hurry up and lose and get back to work.

[dbreiden83080]

LOL guys enjoy the chip okay.. Relax..

[DAF86]

He is free to choose and he deserves to do what he loves. However, just like the Spurs can't force him to not play contractually, they are his employeer and every action has consequences. Hopefully, even though Manu isn't doing anything contractually wrong (or morally), the consequences aren't bad.

:lol The fuck are they gonna do? They won't do shit.

[Skull-1]

Negative comments are normal for homer fans. Do not for once ever think that American's don't love their country. American's die everyday in faraway lands for our country. Americans die everyday just to give someone else a chance for freedom. We not only get it, we live it.

Well said.

[DesignatedT]

Spurs should shut Manu down for training camp and the entire month of October and maybe even November. I understand they would be paying millions for a guy to just sit on his ass but at least the Spurs would force him to rest and recuperate. They are the boss and he would have to respect their decision.

[Skull-1]

Truth is most NORTH Americans will NEVER understand what it means for international players to represent their countries period. So the discussion is pointless. It's like discussing about faith and religion tbh.


Actually, it the SOUTH and CENTRAL Americans who don't get it. That's why their countries suck.

[dbreiden83080]

Pop will adjust.. Look for him to give Manu a few weeks off like he did Tony and play even less minutes..

[littlecoyotecoin]

Chances are he gets injured, and gains the rest he needs that way. The Spurs shouldn't have to deal with this BS, this is extremely selfish on his part, it just makes SA struggle even more.


Don't forget what comes with being the champ, teams will go their hardest next year to beat SA, it's going to be a grind.

Many teams deal with this issue. Mark Cuban was making a big flap over it recently. This is not a Spurs-only problem. All teams have to deal with it, and they know it when they make their contracts. Caveat emptor. Buyer beware. They price this in, or should have. What all teams do when signing an international player is agree that the player is superior at that price even with these cons, than the other available talent on the market, otherwise they sign the other player. Sucks for us, as we are more international than most, but that is our strategy to pursue these guys. We can't then be pissed at them for being who they are. We also have pros that tax their bodies for the USA teams, on occasion.

[Skull-1]

:lmao....completely different subject.....we're talking sports and representing their countries..... nothing to do with securing your oil sources for the next generations TBH.


Which we we use to protect the sea lanes of the world for free. Idiot.

[Two10Whitey]

Julio Lamas, the NT coach was interviewed on univision sports tv recently and he said he would try to talk Manu into playing for them once more in a limited capacity because he knows he isn't the same Manu and knows how beat up he can get. People need to chill.

Julio Lamas is lying to us all.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Damn, reading these comment you would think Manu is Lebron. :lmao Last summer Boris and Tony (you know, our go to guy. The guy that usually plays more minutes) played in the Euros and look where we got.

Bad examples. Boris and Tony are younger. Boris doesn't play as many minutes and might benefit from the excercise. And, Parker never got healthy this season, even after we rested him on "company time", and his output and performance suffered. Last year he was in the conversation for MVP with Lebron and Durant. This year, crickets. This stuff has been said ad nauseum. Totally different cases, and horrible examples.

[it's me]

Which we we use to protect the sea lanes of the world for free. Idiot.

:lmao mad?

[littlecoyotecoin]

Spurs should shut Manu down for training camp and the entire month of October and maybe even November. I understand they would be paying millions for a guy to just sit on his ass but at least the Spurs would force him to rest and recuperate. They are the boss and he would have to respect their decision.

I say put him on bench until March. But, maybe I'm a little extreme. I think we can win in the regular season without him.

[baseline bum]

:lmao....completely different subject.....we're talking sports and representing their countries..... nothing to do with securing your oil sources for the next generations TBH.

:lmao

[DAF86]

Bad examples. Boris and To y are younger. Boris doesn't play as many minutes and might benefit from the excercise.

Yeah, because Manu plays 35 minutes per game. :lol Manu will be in the low 20's next season.


And, Parker never got healthy this season, even after we rested him on "company time", and his output and performance suffered. Last year he was in the conversation for MVP with Lebron and Durant. This year, crickets. This stuff has been said ad nauseum. Totally different cases, and horrible examples.

Aaaaand we still went all the way. If we can go all the way with our go to guy struggling I think we can go all the way with our 6th man struggling, don't you think?

Sorry but I just find the reactions in this thread way too funny. It's seems like the Spurs already lost the next season just because Manu will play for Argentina in the summer.

[it's me]

Actually, it the SOUTH and CENTRAL Americans who don't get it. That's why their countries suck.

What do they "don't get"? ... what it means for a player to PLAY a sport representing his/her country? and therefore the whole nation sucks???? :lmao fucking troll :lmao

[sammy]

Yeah the Spurs won a championship. Parker was the leading scorer in the Finals, Kawhi won the MVP, Duncan averaged a double double... Meanwhile Turnobili :lmao

Like roaches, here come the Manu haters! All silent during the Finals when Manu was playing well! GTFO Hater!

[littlecoyotecoin]

Yeah, because Manu plays 35 minutes per game. :lol Manu will be in the low 20's next season.



Aaaaand we still went all the way. If we can go all the way with our go to guy struggling I think we can go all the way with our 6th man struggling, don't you think?

Sorry but I just find the reactions in this thread way too funny. It's seems like the Spurs already lost the next season just because Manu will play for Argentina in the summer.

Yes, he plays fewer minutes because HE IS OLD. I agree with you about everything else, but the extra games are not good for an old, injury-prone guard. Period. Might we be able to win, sure. But, it sure won't help. And he may be just a sixth man that plays 20 minutes, in the regular season, but he is an instrumental playmaker and force of will in the playoffs.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

Julio Lamas, the NT coach was interviewed on univision sports tv recently and he said he would try to talk Manu into playing for them once more in a limited capacity because he knows he isn't the same Manu and knows how beat up he can get. People need to chill.

But what happens if the entire team is old and everyone needs to have their minutes managed since it seems that the Argentinian national team is going to be comprised of the same older players of Manu's generation?

[rmt]

Manu should be completely rested for 2 months. Look at Parker - how he limped into the playoffs. Limiting minutes is not enough. They both need time off for the body to recuperate. Don't these players want to spend time with their babies? Seven million - now it's imperative that they get Patty back. Diaw playing is fine - looks like his body needs it.

[vander]

personally I would trade him for whatever I could get. maybe Spurs could work a deal with Indy to sign and trade Stephenson.

[SilverSpur]

This is not good. Wish he would rest like Paker this summer. I think he will start having injuries like a few years ago. Great news for Patty Millis.

[ElNono]

:lol this thread having more pages already than the "Congratulations to the 2013-2014 NBA Champion SAN ANTONIO SPURS!!!!!"

[littlecoyotecoin]

Also, DAF86...

"Aaaaand we still went all the way. If we can go all the way with our go to guy struggling I think we can go all the way with our 6th man struggling, don't you think?"

You're also proving my point here. We went all the way, with a HEALTHY and RESTED Manu. He didn't play last summer. And, we went all the way with a hobbled guy that other people had to step up for, in Parker, that DID play last summer.

In the playoffs, Ginobili is an integral piece. He NEVER was a real 6th man. That he agreed to play off the bench to help the team should not diminish his importance. I love Tony, but Ginobili is every bit as important as Tony in the playoffs.

The media has latched onto this notion that the Heat have played so many more minutes than The Spurs, too, because playing more does affect a person. So, that's been one of their excuses. But, when they do all of their adding, I am pretty sure that they don't add up all of these international games that our team members play, even though they throw in Lebron's Team USA minutes, as a cherry on top of all the extra time he's spent playing due to playoff runs. Sickening.

[anakha]

Somewhere, rascal's ears just perked up.

[DAF86]

Also, DAF86...

"Aaaaand we still went all the way. If we can go all the way with our go to guy struggling I think we can go all the way with our 6th man struggling, don't you think?"

You're also proving my point here. We went all the way, with a HEALTHY and RESTED Manu. He didn't play last summer. And, we went all the way with a hobbled guy that other people had to step up for, in Parker, that DID play last summer.

The media has latched onto this notion that the Heat have played so many more minutes than The Spurs, too, because playing more does affect a person. So, that's been one of their excuses. But, when they do all of their adding, I am pretty sure that they don't add up all of these international games that our team members play, even though they throw in Lebron's Team USA minutes, as a cherry on top of all the extra time he's spent playing due to playoff runs. Sickening.

Parker played in the summer, he suffered from it in the NBA season, Spurs still won it all. If they can do it without a 100% go to guy then they can do it without a 100% 6th man. That is it and that is all.

[ElNono]

Also playing for Argentina, some probably for the last time, Andrés Nocioni, Luis Scola, Walter Hermann (!), Pablo Prigioni & Leo Gutiérrez. Delfino is still questionable due to injury.

[mVp]

LOL I can't believe how many stupid people there are in this place!

I mean, I know there are a lot, I just didn't see so many in a single thread before :lol

I wasn't expecting it from some of you, I'm not gonna say names but I'm really dissapointed at some fans in here.. but yeah, tipical Spurstalk.

On topic now, I don't know why you care so much, It's not like he won titles for us, right? I mean, that's what some of you are saying and you're still pissed. You're contradicting yourself, can't take you guys seriously tbh.

Anyway, he's not gonna play that much, he's earned it, this is his last chance to play for his national team in a major international tournament... I mean, really guys, have you ever played a game of basketball before?

Some of you know nothing about it.

[therealtruth]

Guess we probably won't repeat. I won't be surprised if our failures to repeat lined up with his playing for Argentina the previous summer.

[ErnestLynch]

After his epic bounce back this year he can go play on Mars if he likes as far as I'm concerned.

[sammy]

:lol I'd rather he rested as well but it didn't even take a week after a championship for people to start shitting on Manu again tbh

All these pinche haters who couldn't say nothing because he was playing well in the playoffs and Finals were choking with all their hate and are now regurgitating their hate! Hate all of these assholes!

[littlecoyotecoin]

Parker played in the summer, he suffered from it in the NBA season, Spurs still won it all. If they can do it without a 100% go to guy then they can do it without a 100% 6th man. That is it and that is all.

Ginobili played summer before last. He suffered from it. He sucked in the Finals. They lost. That is it and that is all.

[r0drig0lac]

LOL I can't believe how many stupid people there are in this place!

I mean, I know there are a lot, I just didn't see so many in a single thread before :lol

I wasn't expecting it from some of you, I'm not gonna say names but I'm really dissapointed at some fans in here.. but yeah, tipical Spurstalk.

On topic now, I don't know why you care so much, It's not like he won titles for us, right? I mean, that's what some of you are saying and you're still pissed. You're contradicting yourself, can't take you guys seriously tbh.

Anyway, he's not gonna play that much, he's earned it, this is his last chance to play for his national team in a major international tournament... I mean, really guys, have you ever played a game of basketball before?

Some of you know nothing about it.
that's all that needs to be spoken

[vander]

All these pinche haters who couldn't say nothing because he was playing well in the playoffs and Finals were choking with all their hate and are now regurgitating their hate! Hate all of these assholes!

2013 still happened tbh, it's still part of Manu's legacy.

NEVER FORGET

[Dizzle]

spurs pay his salary.. spurs should have final decision on what he does in the summers.... if wants to play in europe, he should go sign a contract in europe

[-21-]

When I saw "Manu Ginobili has announced..." on the Hottest Threads panel on the side of the home page, I thought it was about retirement. :wow

[littlecoyotecoin]

spurs pay his salary.. spurs should have final decision on what he does in the summers.... if wants to play in europe, he should go sign a contract in europe

This is a very uneducated opinion. Please add "or sense." under your user name.

[littlecoyotecoin]

When I saw "Manu Ginobili has announced..." on the Hottest Threads panel on the side of the home page, I thought it was about retirement. :wow

Yes, we are very lucky that it wasn't that, just unlucky for what it was.

[it's me]

If the spurs are still relying on a 37 year old guard after winning a ship with a stellar TEAM performance and a 22 year old FMVP........ then they are completely fucked. Green, KL, Enrique, COJO, etc. should take the torch..... Manu and Tim should be playing 10-15 min during regular season games... dudes are 75% retired already.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol this thread having more pages already than the "Congratulations to the 2013-2014 NBA Champion SAN ANTONIO SPURS!!!!!"

:lol Is Client getting paid by the page?

[littlecoyotecoin]

If the spurs are still relying on a 37 year old guard after winning a ship with a stellar TEAM performance and a 22 year old FMVP........ then they are completely fucked. Green, KL, Enrique, COJO, etc. should take the torch..... Manu and Tim should be playing 10-15 min during regular season games... dudes are 75% retired already.

Who said relying? No one said relying. That would be what you call a straw-man argument. And, I completely agree, they should be playing 10-15 minutes a game in the regular season, and a whole bunch of DNP-CDs. But, when playoffs roll around, if Tim and Manu are healthy and rested, your odds of winning increase significantly.

[Johnny RIngo]

If the spurs are still relying on a 37 year old guard after winning a ship with a stellar TEAM performance and a 22 year old FMVP........ then they are completely fucked. Green, KL, Enrique, COJO, etc. should take the torch..... Manu and Tim should be playing 10-15 min during regular season games... dudes are 75% retired already.


:lol

[phxspurfan]

just wanted to post in this thread. Done.

[it's me]

spurs pay his salary.. spurs should have final decision on what he does in the summers.... if wants to play in europe, he should go sign a contract in europe

:lmao...... that reasoning is BS tbh.... and all morons keep repeating the same shit.....the fucking NBA teams make their money off the fucking players that get people's asses to sit down and watch them play. Playing for their national team is more a passion than a business from most international players.

[slick'81]

Just keep patty and Boris nines let Manu rest all season

[eric365]

Sit Manu for the first month of the season. No games, light practice drills. We don't need him to blow out regular season scrubs.

Seriously this.

Give him a normal offseason and physical training time after the summer and says he has whatever fake injury. We don't need him to begin the first 2 month of the season

[ElNono]

:lol Is Client getting paid by the page?

can't disclose :lol

[it's me]

Who said relying? No one said relying. That would be what you call a straw-man argument. And, I completely agree, they should be playing 10-15 minutes a game in the regular season, and a whole bunch of DNP-CDs. But, when playoffs roll around, if Tim and Manu are healthy and rested, your odds of winning increase significantly.

That's what a bunch of morons make it sound like..... all of a sudden Manu is the Lebron of the Spurs.... WTF? and playing for his country would ruin all aspirations.... give me a break, let the old man have a vacation in Spain, play with his friends, have a nice paella and tempranillo wine before retirement lol.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Seriously this.

Give him a normal offseason and physical training time after the summer and says he has whatever fake injury. We don't need him to begin the first 2 month of the season

We won't need to come up with a fake injury. His nickname is El Contusion, for Christ's sake. He'll have SOMETHING to list.

[it's me]

:lol

:lol I know.

[Brazil]

:lmao dat thread

[Dizzle]

spurs pay manu.. they should own his rights to play basketball...

if he wants to play somewhere else, go sign a contract somewhere else

[littlecoyotecoin]

spurs pay manu.. they should own his rights to play basketball...

if he wants to play somewhere else, go sign a contract somewhere else

Subtlety is lost on you. You are a dumb person.

[DAF86]

Ginobili played summer before last. He suffered from it. He sucked in the Finals. They lost. That is it and that is all.

And they should have won it all. Thanks for giving another example that proves that Manu's decision has very little to none effect whatsover in the Spurs' title chances for next season. :tu

[littlecoyotecoin]

And they should have won it all. Thanks for giving another example that proves that Manu's decision has very little to none effect whatsover in the Spurs' title chances for next season. :tu

But, they didn't do it all. 'Should haves' get the trophy stored in Miami. And, jokes made about Manu because he was spent, and had 8 turnovers that would have made a free-throw here and there irrelevant. You're looking for support where there is none. Manu's own words put that loss on his shoulders.

[DAF86]

But, they didn't do it all. 'Should haves' get the trophy stored in Miami. And, jokes made about Manu because he was spent, and had 8 turnovers that would have made a free-throw here and there irrelevant. You're looking for support where there is none. Manu's own words put that loss on his shoulders.

Dude, stop trying to be right and get what I'm saying.

[Mel_13]

spurs pay manu.. they should own his rights to play basketball...

if he wants to play somewhere else, go sign a contract somewhere else

In a thread replete with moronic takes, this one is this worst.

[vander]

Dude, stop trying to be right and get what I'm saying.

you're saying that the Spurs payed Manu for nothing in 2013 because his performance/contribution was irreverent and they should have won in spite of him?

so, then why would they pay for that a second time?

[DAF86]

you're saying that the Spurs payed Manu for nothing in 2013 because his performance/contribution was irreverent and they should have won in spite of him?

so, then why would they pay for that a second time?

Nope, I'm saying that if the Spurs were able to get that far/win it all with Manu/Tony not being fully fit then I don't see why they can't do it again next season therefore I don't understand why folks are freaking out so much.

[Pocho La Pantera]

personally I would trade him for whatever I could get. maybe Spurs could work a deal with Indy to sign and trade Stephenson.
You would have traded him since 2004, fuck off loser.

[SupremeGuy]

I'm getting sick of international players making money off of the NBA and then fucking them over by playing for their country. What a load of shit. We need more Americans like Tim and Kawhi. And yes, Tim is American.Amen! It needs to start being written into their contracts.

[vander]

You would have traded him since 2004, fuck off loser.

2008, and you don't know that that wouldn't have resulted in more titles tbh :toast

[SupremeGuy]

:lmao....completely different subject.....we're talking sports and representing their countries..... nothing to do with securing your oil sources for the next generations TBH.Defending freedom and liberty for the World > playing summer ball for your third world country :lol

[vander]

Nope, I'm saying that if the Spurs were able to get that far/win it all with Manu/Tony not being fully fit then I don't see why they can't do it again next season therefore I don't understand why folks are freaking out so much.

well to this end I must praise Manu's potential value. Manu at-or-near 100% was much more irreplaceable than Tony at-or-near 100%. but it happens rarely and, with this announcement, will 99% likely not happen next year

[littlecoyotecoin]

Dude, stop trying to be right and get what I'm saying.

Dude. I can only take you at your words. If you want me to "get what you are saying" and you say things like: "...Manu's decision has very little to none effect whatsover in the Spurs' title chances for next season."

What do you want me to do? Stop saying absurd things like that if they aren't what you mean. His decision very well cost us a championship last year. I don't begrudge him playing this summer, but I can't say it had "none effect" or even very little, last year. EVEN HE SAID IT DID. When he is spent, we are a worse team. And, if he gets injured or worn out this summer, etc. we'll be a worse team.

And, as if you aren't "trying to be right". You even tried "ending" the conversation with an "...and that's it!" Sort of like a Zorro QED, or something.

[TheyCallMePro]

Of course Manu is going to play in the 2014 FIBA World Cup. It takes place only once every 4 years, and is considered to be the most important international basketball tournament in the world (even more so than the Olympics). This is probably the last time Manu will compete in it, and the next to last time he will ever play with the Argentine National team.

And what's up with some of you guys? I'm excited to see Manu compete in this tournament. Getting to watch the Spurs play internationally has always been one of my favorite things about being a fan of the Spurs. I stayed up all night 2 years ago to watch Patty Mills avg 21 points per game for Australia in the 2012 Olympics. I'll definitely be watching and rooting for Manu in this years tournament.

[Warlord23]

Here's a theory. Tim plans to retire, and has indicated this to some of his teammates, including Manu. Since that pretty much takes the repeat out of the picture, Manu feels he has nothing to lose by playing for Argentina.

Really hoping that's not the case though ...

[DAF86]

Dude. I can only take you at your words. If you want me to "get what you are saying" and you say things like: "...Manu's decision has very little to none effect whatsover in the Spurs' title chances for next season."

What do you want me to do? Stop saying absurd things like that if they aren't what you mean. His decision very well cost us a championship last year. I don't begrudge him playing this summer, but I can't say it had "none effect" or even very little, last year. EVEN HE SAID IT DID. When he is spent, we are a worse team. And, if he gets injured or worn out this summer, etc. we'll be a worse team.

And, as if you aren't "trying to be right". You even tried "ending" the conversation with an "...and that's it!" Sort of like a Zorro QED, or something.

Spurs didn't lose the '13 championship because Manu played in the Olympics.

For the rest of your post: :lmao

[weeks]

after his big ball showing in game 5 i'm okay with it, but if that motherfucker gets injured playing for the NT he's DEAD TO ME. DEAD!!

[Texas_Ranger]

lol @ people bitching about this and thinking that the Spurs or any NBA team should be the one who should decide if the guy can or can't play for their country.

Manu can do whatever he wants... Also Spurs fans should stop relying on him so much, he's 37 for fucks sake.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Here's a theory. Tim plans to retire, and has indicated this to some of his teammates, including Manu. Since that pretty much takes the repeat out of the picture, Manu feels he has nothing to lose by playing for Argentina.

Really hoping that's not the case though ...

I don't think Tim's retiring from all the reading between the lines stuff, but that is a very reasonable hypothetical, Warlord. Reasonable enough that I think I'll go curl in a ball and cry, now. DAF wins. Manu has nothing to contribute, and if he breaks his femur in international play it will have no repercussions on The Spurs chances for a repeat. I'm out.

[SupremeGuy]

Spurs didn't lose the '13 championship because Manu played in the Olympics.

For the rest of your post: :lmaoThey lost because Manu sucked. Why did he suck? Because his body crap from playing ball year round, specifically, summer ball.

You guys are full of shit if you can't even admit that much.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Spurs didn't lose the '13 championship because Manu played in the Olympics.

For the rest of your post: :lmao

Yes. Your whole argument hinges on that hope. That he wasn't too tired and worn out from extracurricular play, that summer, and cumulative, that his abilities suffered. That's the whole question. Laughing at it doesn't make it go away. I hope that when you say The Spurs didn't lose, you aren't trying to say GINOBILI lost it himself. That's harsh. As a fan of his, I could never go that far.

[DAF86]

They lost because Manu sucked. Why did he suck? Because his body crap from playing ball year round, specifically, summer ball.

You guys are full of shit if you can't even admit that much.

OK let's assume that. Even with that the Spurs where 1 FT away from winning it all. Folks here are overracting to this anouncement, that's all I'm saying.

[vander]

They lost because Manu sucked. Why did he suck? Because his body crap from playing ball year round, specifically, summer ball.

You guys are full of shit if you can't even admit that much.

fucking seriously, at least admit that he would have been good for one more point in game 6, if you can't even admit this then you are exactly why I hate Manutards.

[DAF86]

Yes. Your whole argument hinges on that hope. That he wasn't too tired and worn out from extracurricular play, that summer, and cumulative, that his abilities suffered. That's the whole question. Laughing at it doesn't make it go away. I hope that when you say The Spurs didn't lose, you aren't trying to say GINOBILI lost it himself. That's harsh. As a fan of his, I could never go that far.

You just don't get it. :lol

[littlecoyotecoin]

OK let's assume that. Even with that the Spurs where 1 FT away from winning it all. Folks here are overracting to this anouncement, that's all I'm saying.

Ok. I can agree with that. I said the same thing, earlier. Total over-reaction.

[SupremeGuy]

OK let's assume that. Even with that the Spurs where 1 FT away from winning it all. Folks here are overracting to this anouncement, that's all I'm saying.It's disappointing. Championship windows don't stay open forever. Right now, the most important thing to him should be repeating. The fact that it's not is what people are reacting to. It's not that hard to understand. One Ft away from winning is still losing. A healthy Manu in '13 and we're talking about 3 peat.

[littlecoyotecoin]

You just don't get it. :lol

(Some of that was sarcasm.) But, yeah. You're right. I don't get it. You don't make sense to me, especially when you hear it from the players mouths sometimes that the international play wears on them. But, whatever, it doesn't, if you say so. Take care.

[SupremeGuy]

Ok. I can agree with that. I said the same thing, earlier. Total over-reaction.If you said the same thing earlier, then you already agree with him. lol No need to state it. People like you are obviously not who he's talking to, tbh.

[DAF86]

It's disappointing. Championship windows don't stay open forever. Right now, the most important thing to him should be repeating. The fact that it's not is what people are reacting to. It's not that hard to understand. One Ft away from winning is still losing. A healthy Manu and we're talking about 3 peat.

Why? Who the fuck are you to tell Manu what should be more important for him? :lol

[TheyCallMePro]

Ugh...nevermind my bracket was ruined by this stupid Spurstalk format...

[SupremeGuy]

Why? Who the fuck are you to tell Manu what should be more important for him? :lolDo I really have to include the obligatory "in my opinion?" :lol

[DAF86]

(Some of that was sarcasm.) But, yeah. You're right. I don't get it. You don't make sense to me, especially when you hear it from the players mouths sometimes that the international play wears on them. But, whatever, it doesn't, if you say so. Take care.

My point has been this one ↓↓↓↓↓ all along.


OK let's assume that. Even with that the Spurs where 1 FT away from winning it all. Folks here are overracting to this anouncement, that's all I'm saying.

And to that you answered this ↓↓↓↓↓


Ok. I can agree with that. I said the same thing, earlier. Total over-reaction.

Therefore you weren't getting it, once you got it you agreed with me. :toast

[DAF86]

Do I really have to include the obligatory "in my opinion?" :lol

It wouldn't have made a difference. That's a selfish and (no offense) dumb opinion, tbh.

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

:lmao:lmao:lmao

:cry Manu plz :cry
:cry Your best player in team :cry
:cry but I say you suck :cry
:cry Spurs won't repeat coz you played 20 mpg 8 times in the summer :cry
:cry "we" as we in Peter Holt, pay your salary :cry
:cry and I didn't want you resigned :cry
:cry but I did after this year :cry
:cry plz Pop :cry
:cry International players suck :cry
:cry Spurs play beautiful basketball :cry

[4down]

I love these arguments. Funny how I agree with each of the main takes. And it'scrazy how those ones that they ddidn't get loom so large

Glass half full, as a spurs fan it's nice to be able to bitch that manu should have rested and been better in 2013. Destroying the heat was pretty freaking awesome. Yeah Manu should have played better and maybe Patty would have helped. It's nice to have 5 and I wish we would have had the 6 or potentially 8 we could be boasting about

glass half empty, Fkn manu should have rested his ass and taken care of the ball! That basterd cost us at least one ring and maybe 2 or 3 had he made some free throws not put on a heat jersey not fouled dirk and played smarter d or kept hedo from becoming Matt Bonner when it mattered!


It's a fine line gentlemen. Without him, no 2005 or 2003. 2004 and 2006 wouldnt even have been possible to bitch about Argue on.

lol bipolar spursfan/board

[SupremeGuy]

It wouldn't have made a difference. That's a selfish and (no offense) dumb opinion, tbh.And that's how a lot of people feel like he's being right now. It's dumb and selfish.

Well, there's nothing that we can do about it. Only thing we can hope for is that argentina gets their ass kicked so hard in the first round he spends the rest of his summer licking his wounds and thinking about how it was such a shitty decision to play, tbh. Let's go World, go get 'em.

[littlecoyotecoin]

My point has been this one ↓↓↓↓↓ all along.



And to that you answered this ↓↓↓↓↓



Therefore you weren't getting it, once you got it you agreed with me. :toast

No, you misunderstand. I agree with ONLY that the reaction has been overly dramatic. Just about everything else you say doesn't make sense.

[it's me]

Defending freedom and liberty for the World > playing summer ball for your third world country :lol

This moron :lol...... read the fucking message. Where the fucking hell I say freedom<playing ball or even imply it.......... this is too much :lmao

[Skull-1]

:lmao mad?


You better believe it.

[Skull-1]

All these pinche haters who couldn't say nothing because he was playing well in the playoffs and Finals were choking with all their hate and are now regurgitating their hate! Hate all of these assholes!


Shut it up loser. We finally cut him some slack and he pulls this crap? F him! I hope he breaks his damned leg.

[Skull-1]

What do they "don't get"? ... what it means for a player to PLAY a sport representing his/her country? and therefore the whole nation sucks???? :lmao fucking troll :lmao

They obviously don't get capitalism. Corrupt bunch of freeloaders who can't see the big picture and show disdain for the people who write the checks. Pathetic.

[DAF86]

No, you misunderstand. I agree with ONLY that the reaction has been overly dramatic. Just about everything else you say doesn't make sense.

Questions:

Did Tony Parker played this last summer?
Did that prevent the Spurs from winning the championship?
Does Parker have a more important role than Manu on this Spurs team?
It wouldn't be smart to think that if Tony playing in the summer didn't affect the Spurs, Manu doing the same shouldn't be any different?

[DAF86]

And that's how a lot of people feel like he's being right now. It's dumb and selfish.

Well, there's nothing that we can do about it. Only thing we can hope for is that argentina gets their ass kicked so hard in the first round he spends the rest of his summer licking his wounds and thinking about how it was such a shitty decision to play, tbh. Let's go World, go get 'em.

With the little difference that it's his fucking life. :lol

[SupremeGuy]

Yeah no shit captain obvious. We're just saying we disagree with his decision to play fucking summer ball.

[DAF86]

If you know it then take that into consideration before making such stupid remarks, tbh. :lol

BTW, is not summer ball is the World fucking championship.

[mowgli]

Too many fucking bitches in this thread thinking they're owed shit from a guy who played his heart out winning a championship one year after he looked toast. Damn, the arrogance here is astounding. :bang

If you're feeling particularly butthurt, feel free not to watch next year...

[dg7md]

Just because Manu is playing summer ball doesn't mean that we're done next year. He can do what he wants, he clearly still wants to play basketball, so that could be good for his psyche going into next season. He might not be as rested, but it's doubtful he plays many minutes in general next year until the playoffs begin; he'll be fine. Manu is a professional athlete with a strong will and resolve.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Why? Who the fuck are you to tell Manu what should be more important for him? :lol

Uhh becuase Manu's literally an entertainer. His job is to entertain. Basketball isn't some noble pursuit in isolation. It's guys putting a ball through a hoop. It's a form of entertainment - nothing more, nothing less, and as such he has an obligation to his fans.

[Skull-1]

Yeah no shit captain obvious. We're just saying we disagree with his decision to play fucking summer ball.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Questions:

Did Tony Parker played this last summer?
Did that prevent the Spurs from winning the championship?
Does Parker have a more important role than Manu on this Spurs team?
It wouldn't be smart to think that if Tony playing in the summer didn't affect the Spurs, Manu doing the same shouldn't be any different?

Yeah it almost fucking did. Parker was absolutely limping throughout the latter rounds of these playoffs. It's a damn near miracle we beat Miami without him playing at an MVP level.

[Texas_Ranger]

Uhh becuase Manu's literally an entertainer. His job is to entertain. Basketball isn't some noble pursuit in isolation. It's guys putting a ball through a hoop. It's a form of entertainment - nothing more, nothing less, and as such he has an obligation to his fans.

there's a lot of his fans in Argentina and around the world so he should ''entertain'' them too.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

I don't want Tony to play this summer either. This isn't some irrational hatred towards Manu. I merely want the greatest chance to repeat given that next year is literally the last year of the championship window. Once duncan leaves next year, we may very well still be good but I doubt we have a reasonable shot at a championship in 2016.

I only want Kawhi Leonard to play this summer. Why? Because he's extremely young and the benefits of playing with other superstar players and learning from them outweighs the cost of injury. With Manu that is absolutely not the case.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

there's a lot of his fans in Argentina and around the world so he should ''entertain'' them too.

If that shitbag feels a greater obligation to his Argentinian fans then here's an idea - decline the player option and retire from the fucking NBA.

[Texas_Ranger]

If that shitbag feels a greater obligation to his Argentinian fans then here's an idea - decline the player option and retire from the fucking NBA.


:lol

[manufan10]

:lol

[SupremeGuy]

If you know it then take that into consideration before making such stupid remarks, tbh. :lol

BTW, is not summer ball is the World fucking championship.It's not stupid to say that he played like shit in the '13 finals, and like I said earlier, why did he play like shit? Because his body was worn down by playing ball year around, specifically, summer ball. What the fuck don't you understand? Take off your fucking nationalistic glasses for a second, and it's plain as day to see how him playing during the summer is a bad thing for the Spurs. This is a Spurs forum, why are you bitching that people disagree with his decision to play? In our opinion, he's being selfish and letting his weird nationalistic pride get the better of him. If he loves his country, good for him, get the argentinian flag tattooed on his son's fucking face for all I care, just don't do something that can hurt the Spurs chances of winning another title. Fuck man, it's not hard to understand.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

It's not stupid to say that he played like shit in the '13 finals, and like I said earlier, why did he play like shit? Because his body was worn down by playing ball year around, specifically, summer ball. What the fuck don't you understand? Take off your fucking nationalistic glasses for a second, and it's plain as day to see how him playing during the summer is a bad thing for the Spurs. This is a Spurs forum, why are you bitching that people disagree with his decision to play? In our opinion, he's being selfish and letting his weird nationalistic pride get the better of him. If he loves his country, good for him, get the argentinian flag tattooed on his son's fucking face for all I care, just don't do something that can hurt the Spurs chances of winning another title. Fuck man, it's not hard to understand.

And this is all compounded by the fact that Argentina has zero, I repeat, zero chance of doing anything of merit in this tournament.

[benefactor]

Why does anyone respond to jARS mEsH sEt or Skull1? Their Manu hate shtick is nothing more than a try hard version of something that ducks used to do years ago.

ducks.

Think about that.

[dbreiden83080]

It sucks that Drastic measures will have to be taken to account for him playing in the summertime but that is what will have to happen. He literally is going to need six weeks off during the season and play around 20 minutes..

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Why does anyone respond to jARS mEsH sEt or Skull1? Their Manu hate shtick is nothing more than a try hard version of something that ducks used to do years ago.

ducks.

Think about that.

Another quality take from a "2nd team All spurs talk poster" (... :lmao). What substance. What insight.

:lmao

...

:rollin

[Skull-1]

there's a lot of his fans in Argentina and around the world so he should ''entertain'' them too.


Do they buy tickets? I think not. Not a one of those idiots down there contribute to his salary by purchasing tickets. The people of San Antonio and other parts of Texas do that. GTFO.

[Skull-1]

If that shitbag feels a greater obligation to his Argentinian fans then here's an idea - decline the player option and retire from the fucking NBA.

[Skull-1]

It's not stupid to say that he played like shit in the '13 finals, and like I said earlier, why did he play like shit? Because his body was worn down by playing ball year around, specifically, summer ball. What the fuck don't you understand? Take off your fucking nationalistic glasses for a second, and it's plain as day to see how him playing during the summer is a bad thing for the Spurs. This is a Spurs forum, why are you bitching that people disagree with his decision to play? In our opinion, he's being selfish and letting his weird nationalistic pride get the better of him. If he loves his country, good for him, get the argentinian flag tattooed on his son's fucking face for all I care, just don't do something that can hurt the Spurs chances of winning another title. Fuck man, it's not hard to understand.

Amen!

[Skull-1]

Why does anyone respond to jARS mEsH sEt or Skull1? Their Manu hate shtick is nothing more than a try hard version of something that ducks used to do years ago.

ducks.

Think about that.

Shut it, dbag. You contribute ABSOLUTELY NOTHING of value to this site.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Questions:

Did Tony Parker played this last summer?
Did that prevent the Spurs from winning the championship?
Does Parker have a more important role than Manu on this Spurs team?
It wouldn't be smart to think that if Tony playing in the summer didn't affect the Spurs, Manu doing the same shouldn't be any different?

All kinds of logical fallacy in there. Parker playing in the off-season DID affect The Spurs. Ginobili (because he was rested), and Patty, effectively replaced Parker at times. A Manu firing on all cylinders, even for only 25 minutes a game in the playoffs, is not so easily replaced. He's unique. Some Parker haters would even tell you Parker's role is NOT more important, that Ginobili is more important. I don't agree. They're both different. Both important. And, no. It would NOT be smart to think that. It would be dumb. Because, as stated, again, it DID affect The Spurs. They were just able to OVERCOME the effects. Finally, each run to the playoffs, each season is different. Having a diminished player that you have to find ways to compensate for may hurt you more one season than another. Different matchups, different player defficiencies, etc. Are we playing Houston this time? Is Manu just tired, or is he out with a broken femur? Saying: Parker was diminished and we still won the championship, so if Ginobili is diminished we will be equally likely to win the championship!

Seriously? It doesn't work that way.

[ElNono]

I'm just hoping Coach K calls up MVP Mario Chalmers, tbh...

[KaiRMD1]

The cliff jumping....:toast

[T Park]

The idiots talking about ginobili and bad mouthing him here, are the prime examples why the vets here don't come back.

[99 Problems]

Wait Manu, let us talk first. :lol :lobt2:

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Fuck this clown... Old ass Argentina will do shitty again

There you go again you fucking clown - your hate for Manu is legendary... you were just waiting in the dark to hit again. And please dont tell me you dont hate on him. YOU ARE RIDICULOUS.

I would beat your damn head so hard if I ever had the chance to see you face to face - you are a fucking disgrace you SOB.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

The amount of fail in this thread is unbelievable. I thought it was the greatfuck only but there are a bunch of retarded kids out here as well. This guy had a piece on the last ring as much as anyone else on the team and he's now a loser and a fucker and I dont know what else was thrown at him in these past 15 pages.

unfuckingbelievable

please check yourself at the door

[dbreiden83080]

Given how much pop is going to rest him during the season I really don't see why this is such a big deal? For most of training camp pop will probably tell him to get in a few shots and then go take a nap LOL.

[spursparker9]

Hope Kawhi makes the USA team.

Would be nice to see if USA play against Argentina and Kawhi is defending Manu.

[Mel_13]

The cliff jumping....:toast

All this fuss just because ol' sport wants to play a few more games with his old chums.

[dbreiden83080]

I do understand however why some people are so annoyed. The Olympics was always supposed to be about amateurs competing in these events. I don't know when or how all this nonsense ever started about professionals needing to compete when they have multimillion dollar contracts to play with pro teams but it's pretty fucking retarded.

[Mel_13]

I do understand however why some people are so annoyed. The Olympics was always supposed to be about amateurs competing in these events. I don't know when or how all this nonsense ever started about professionals needing to compete when they have multimillion dollar contracts to play with pro teams but it's pretty fucking retarded.

Blame Stern, not the players. He wanted the NBA in international tournaments to help grow the NBA brand around the world.

[vander]

The idiots talking about ginobili and bad mouthing him here, are the prime examples why the vets here don't come back.
I don't see your point...

[it's me]

Blame Stern, not the players. He wanted the NBA in international tournaments to help grow the NBA brand around the world.

It's all about the money.... TV rights, commercials, brands-players deals, etc....... money doesn't come from selling tickets alone.

[Mel_13]

I don't see your point...

Some people find rampant stupidity a bit off putting.

[dbreiden83080]

Blame Stern, not the players. He wanted the NBA in international tournaments to help grow the NBA brand around the world.

That obviously worked. But the teams now should have some say-so and control over who goes and who doesn't. If you are a younger player fine but if you are an old player prone to injury not so much

[ThePop]

It's too early to panic guys. Go crazy next year when he's turning the ball over in the playoffs.

[manufan10]

Blame Stern, not the players. He wanted the NBA in international tournaments to help grow the NBA brand around the world.

Yup, which is why the owners will never put it in contracts that NBA players cannot play international ball. It's been NBA approved.

I don't blame Ginobili at all. He wants one last run with his Argentinian team. He knows his playing days are almost over, and this is his last chance to do that. Sentimental reasons. I can't get mad at him for that. Plus, I don't know how any of you couldn't see this coming. We all knew he was going to play.

[Mel_13]

That obviously worked. But the teams now should have some say-so and control over who goes and who doesn't. If you are a younger player fine but if you are an old player prone to injury not so much

The NBA would first have to negotiate new terms to its agreement with FIBA. Until that happens, nothing can change.

[gambit1990]

manu's gonna play great for argentina, granted he doesn't get hurt.

[Mel_13]

Yup, which is why the owners will never put it in contracts that NBA players cannot play international ball. It's been NBA approved.

I don't blame Ginobili at all. He wants one last run with his Argentinian team. He knows his playing days are almost over, and this is his last chance to do that. Sentimental reasons. I can't get mad at him for that. Plus, I don't know how any of you couldn't see this coming. We all knew he was going to play.

:lol

Yeah, I can see how some are upset, I can't believe that anyone is surprised.

[Spurs4#5]

So since everyone is on the let's hate manu train I'll go the other way. Maybe Duncan has already informed the team that he was done. Maybe manu is going to retire as well. Maybe manu is playing the last of his basketball where it all started for him. Maybe y'all need to just appreciate him for helping bring 4 titles to San Antonio instead of bashing him for things that may or may not happen in the future. Most of you posters are worse than heat fans. Spurs fans: the only fans to completely bitch about a team that just won a title. Way to stay classy spurs fans

[100%duncan]

:wakeup

[littlecoyotecoin]

So since everyone is on the let's hate manu train I'll go the other way. Maybe Duncan has already informed the team that he was done. Maybe manu is going to retire as well. Maybe manu is playing the last of his basketball where it all started for him. Maybe y'all need to just appreciate him for helping bring 4 titles to San Antonio instead of bashing him for things that may or may not happen in the future. Most of you posters are worse than heat fans. Spurs fans: the only fans to completely bitch about a team that just won a title. Way to stay classy spurs fans

C'mon. It's probably like five user names. Not exactly a March on city hall. More of this is reaction to the reaction, defending Manu, and discussing the phenomenon in general. The Manu haters are just a vocal minority that keep the discussion flowing, and Nono's pockets full...if he's getting paid by the page.

[Strategic]

Sounds as if people on both sides of the discussion are indifferent to Manu dedicating his all to the Spurs next season, at least not for all 82 games. I would like for him to focus solely on bringing it for the Spurs, but on the other hand I would understand him and the Spurs moving on( I know this won't happen because MG sells mucho jerseys south). I think most of us would agree that Manu is no Tim Duncan. Timmy and Timmy alone has been the leader for all 5 rings. Tony Parker at least has been voted finals MVP before, not sure about Manu(although Manu deserves the MVP "statue" according to obvious SpursTalk posters). One thing is for sure, this Strategic will be on SpursTalk next season no matter who is on the roster. On the by and by, did you hear that 3 or 4 other important Spurs will be playing for their National team this summer?:toast By the way, I love these Spurs the way they are so why do you get upset when I cry over someone rocking the boat? That makes you a dumbass!

[T Park]

I believe, maybe I'm wrong, it's against the by laws in the CBA to prevent or tell a player NOT to play for his national team.

[gee]

you niggas are over-reacting so bad
he's fine. He can play 6 world cup games and do some practices, it doesn't matter

that whole 2012-13 manu was the result 5 accumulating injuries stretching back to the season, only one of them happened in off-season play and was probably the least serious and had the least long term effect
he hurt his ankle in the offseason, and was plagued during the regular season with hamstring issues sustained the season before and the 2012-13 season, and a broken hand sustained in 2012-13. Offseason didn't contribute shit to his crappy play. Neither will this one.

[dbreiden83080]

I believe, maybe I'm wrong, it's against the by laws in the CBA to prevent or tell a player NOT to play for his national team.

Yep it's better that they go over there and Tear an ACL missing the entire season. Of course they will still get to collect their entire years salary.. Ah yes the joys of a guaranteed contract.

[gee]

Why does anyone respond to jARS mEsH sEt or Skull1? Their Manu hate shtick is nothing more than a try hard version of something that ducks used to do years ago.

ducks.

Think about that.

I'm surprised that there's still people who don't have them on ignore.. Mustn't have figured out how to use the ignore list yet or something

[T Park]

Yep it's better that they go over there and Tear an ACL missing the entire season. Of course they will still get to collect their entire years salary.. Ah yes the joys of a guaranteed contract.

Take it up with Stern on the beach. I've been firmly against it for over a decade, but have up around 2005. Not worth getting worked up over. It's the risk you take when you have a roster with 80% foreign players.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

I'm surprised that there's still people who don't have them on ignore.. Mustn't have figured out how to use the ignore list yet or something

Ignore this faggot :lmao

[jARS mEsH sEt]

I believe, maybe I'm wrong, it's against the by laws in the CBA to prevent or tell a player NOT to play for his national team.

You're correct.

[Skull-1]

The idiots talking about ginobili and bad mouthing him here, are the prime examples why the vets here don't come back.


No. They're just pussies......

[gee]

Nah man, not even going to view post to read what wrote. No doubt will be stupid shit.

[Skull-1]

There you go again you fucking clown - your hate for Manu is legendary... you were just waiting in the dark to hit again. And please dont tell me you dont hate on him. YOU ARE RIDICULOUS.

I would beat your damn head so hard if I ever had the chance to see you face to face - you are a fucking disgrace you SOB.

I have met Yacht. He would smash you. Wussy.

[Skull-1]

All this fuss just because ol' sport wants to play a few more games with his old chums. Funny....I thought they were named TIMMY and TONY. Hmmmmm.....

[Skull-1]

Ignore this faggot :lmao

[Skull-1]

Nah man, not even going to view post to read what wrote. No doubt will be stupid shit. Sez the douche who no speaky Englich good.
:lol

[dbreiden83080]

Take it up with Stern on the beach. I've been firmly against it for over a decade, but have up around 2005. Not worth getting worked up over. It's the risk you take when you have a roster with 80% foreign players.

I personally think he is going to be fine just because of how much pop rest the guys at this point. It's not fair to the team that he is going to need several weeks off this season like Tony did but that is exactly what is going to happen in my opinion. Pop resting him all during training camp and preseason followed by a period where he is playing poorly and he announces he is just out for an undetermined period of time

[Brazil]

The betrayal

:lol

ST :lol

[littlecoyotecoin]

you niggas are over-reacting so bad
he's fine. He can play 6 world cup games and do some practices, it doesn't matter

that whole 2012-13 manu was the result 5 accumulating injuries stretching back to the season, only one of them happened in off-season play and was probably the least serious and had the least long term effect
he hurt his ankle in the offseason, and was plagued during the regular season with hamstring issues sustained the season before and the 2012-13 season, and a broken hand sustained in 2012-13. Offseason didn't contribute shit to his crappy play. Neither will this one.

Ay yay yay. Injuries can be and are caused by cumulative and/or repetetive action, etc. You can't say that because only one of his injuries occured in international play that no other injuries, wear, and fatigue were not caused by international play. I know someone that bent over and picked up a pencil. He ruptured a disk in his back. Was it the pencil's fault? Or, all of the years of hard labor he'd put on his back, previously?

[SupremeGuy]

A lot of people seem to be very confused in this thread, tbh. We're not hating on Manu. We're annoyed at his shitty decision to play summer ball. The difference between a healthy and non-healthy Manu can be the difference whether we ring again or not. Him playing this summer dramatically increases the chances of him reverting back to '13 finals Manu, and that's a fucking scary thought.

[Brazil]

A lot of people seem to be very confused in this thread, tbh. We're not hating on Manu. We're annoyed at his shitty decision to play summer ball. The difference between a healthy and non-healthy Manu can be the difference whether we ring again or not. Him playing this summer dramatically increases the chances of him reverting back to '13 finals Manu, and that's a fucking scary thought.

You are right we are not hating on Manu just on Manu being selfish per par



:lol

[spurs10]

How is playing two weeks in the beginning of September playing summer ball. He is off all summer and will need the conditioning. He'll have time off before training camp as well.

[DMC]

He's got twin kids and a white blonde wife (looks white). He'll do anything to get away from them.

[DMC]

It's not a bad decision. He doesn't owe anything to the Spurs, hell he just won a title. He has the right to represent his country. It's just basketball.

[gee]

Ay yay yay. Injuries can be and are caused by cumulative and/or repetetive action, etc. You can't say that because only one of his injuries occured in international play that no other injuries, wear, and fatigue were not caused by international play. I know someone that bent over and picked up a pencil. He ruptured a disk in his back. Was it the pencil's fault? Or, all of the years of hard labor he'd put on his back, previously?

That's pretty much my point, if he drives the lane in the World Cup and pulls his hamstring is it the World Cup's fault and the 100ish international games he has played over the last 10 years? Or the 900ish NBA games he has played over the last 10 years.
I believe the number of games he will be playing and the levels of exertion he will be emitting will be insignificant in his quality of play next year. By the general consensus here, it doesn't make sense to play him at all until at least playoffs next year.
International ball might even help, dude is getting older every year and could probably do well with the extra early conditioning boost for the next season.

[DAF86]

Uhh becuase Manu's literally an entertainer. His job is to entertain. Basketball isn't some noble pursuit in isolation. It's guys putting a ball through a hoop. It's a form of entertainment - nothing more, nothing less, and as such he has an obligation to his fans.

Then he has an obligation with his Argentinian fans. Fucking moron :lol

[DAF86]

Yeah it almost fucking did. Parker was absolutely limping throughout the latter rounds of these playoffs. It's a damn near miracle we beat Miami without him playing at an MVP level.

Yeah, it was a miracle we beat Miami in 5 games with the biggest point differential in history. :lol

[DAF86]

It's not stupid to say that he played like shit in the '13 finals, and like I said earlier, why did he play like shit? Because his body was worn down by playing ball year around, specifically, summer ball. What the fuck don't you understand? Take off your fucking nationalistic glasses for a second, and it's plain as day to see how him playing during the summer is a bad thing for the Spurs. This is a Spurs forum, why are you bitching that people disagree with his decision to play? In our opinion, he's being selfish and letting his weird nationalistic pride get the better of him. If he loves his country, good for him, get the argentinian flag tattooed on his son's fucking face for all I care, just don't do something that can hurt the Spurs chances of winning another title. Fuck man, it's not hard to understand.

Dude, Manu playing summer ball won't hurt the Spurs chances in more than 0.000009%.

[Sean Cagney]

Yeah, it was a miracle we beat Miami in 5 games. :lol
Exactly..

[ElNono]

I felt my time with the National Team wasn’t over
Manu Ginobili

SAN ANTONIO.- The first person I talked to was my wife. I also talked about it with Pop and I called Julio (Lamas, ARG coach) to confirm. For the first time in my career it wasn’t an easy decision to say yes. Not because of what I feel about the national team, that’s beyond any doubts. I also has nothing to do with patriotism, I don’t think sports have anything to do with that. It’s just no longer easy to give up a part of my vacations, because I have 3 kids. The main reason I’ll play it’s because my wife supported my decision. She was amazing with the kids, especially during the playoffs, when I’m not as much there like most times.

I know she’s doing an effort as big or bigger than mine, and I value that a lot. It’s not easy to go away from the twins and Luca when this is the time to catch up with them. I don’t make decisions alone, this is a family. The kids sometimes don’t understand why I’m not around that much, perhaps when they’re older they’ll understand.

I play for the national team because what we have is beautiful, what we achieved in all these years, how we feel about it, the experience we always collect and I didn’t want to miss it. I didn’t like the thought of watching my teammates on TV and not being there. Plus, I felt my time with the team wasn’t over.

When I had to put everything in the balance; the commitment with my teammates and how much fun I have around them was the deciding factor. Perhaps when I’m 50 years old I’ll remember a bunch of moments of my career. The one I just experienced with San Antonio will definitely be one of the most important ones; the Olympics Games will be there too. But every time I played with the National Team it was a valuable experience. Even when we lost. Amongst my most transcendent moments, my national team teammates are up there.

We talk to each other a lot. I think that, more or less, they thought I was going to play. But the guy that really needed to know was Julio Lamas, the coach, because he has to put together a list, prepare the team and I understand it’s not the same thing to do it if I’m there or if I’m not. I always try to have an answer by March, but this time I couldn’t do it.

Before London 2012 I thought that might’ve been my farewell, but I wasn’t convinced. Right now I would say I’m pretty sure. That’s why I want to take this from start to finish as a farewell. I think I’m perfect conditions to enjoy it a lot…

---

Original article in Spanish:
http://canchallena.lanacion.com.ar/1703326-la-columna-de-manu-ginobili-en-la-nacion-senti-que-mi-ciclo-no-estaba-terminado

[gee]

I felt my time with the National Team wasn’t over
Manu Ginobili

SAN ANTONIO.- The first person I talked to was my wife. I also talked about it with Pop and I called Julio (Lamas, ARG coach) to confirm. For the first time in my career it wasn’t an easy decision to say yes. Not because of what I feel about the national team, that’s beyond any doubts. I also has nothing to do with patriotism, I don’t think sports have anything to do with that. It’s just no longer easy to give up a part of my vacations, because I have 3 kids. The main reason I’ll play it’s because my wife supported my decision. She was amazing with the kids, especially during the playoffs, when I’m not as much there like most times.

I know she’s doing an effort as big or bigger than mine, and I value that a lot. It’s not easy to go away from the twins and Luca when this is the time to catch up with them. I don’t make decisions alone, this is a family. The kids sometimes don’t understand why I’m not around that much, perhaps when they’re older they’ll understand.

I play for the national team because what we have is beautiful, what we achieved in all these years, how we feel about it, the experience we always collect and I didn’t want to miss it. I didn’t like the thought of watching my teammates on TV and not being there. Plus, I felt my time with the team wasn’t over.

When I had to put everything in the balance; the commitment with my teammates and how much fun I have around them was the deciding factor. Perhaps when I’m 50 years old I’ll remember a bunch of moments of my career. The one I just experienced with San Antonio will definitely be one of the most important ones; the Olympics Games will be there too. But every time I played with the National Team it was a valuable experience. Even when we lost. Amongst my most transcendent moments, my national team teammates are up there.

We talk to each other a lot. I think that, more or less, they thought I was going to play. But the guy that really needed to know was Julio Lamas, the coach, because he has to put together a list, prepare the team and I understand it’s not the same thing to do it if I’m there or if I’m not. I always try to have an answer by March, but this time I couldn’t do it.

Before London 2012 I thought that might’ve been my farewell, but I wasn’t convinced. Right now I would say I’m pretty sure. That’s why I want to take this from start to finish as a farewell. I think I’m perfect conditions to enjoy it a lot…



Oh my fucking god what a selfish scrub the spurs are going to go 0-82 now, I'll never forgive him for what he's done to TD etc

[Skull-1]

He's got twin kids and a white blonde wife (looks white). He'll do anything to get away from them. He is white, too. What's your point????

[Skull-1]

It's not a bad decision. He doesn't owe anything to the Spurs, hell he just won a title. He has the right to represent his country. It's just basketball. Will his shitty country offset his Spurs salary in worthless, inflation-plagued Argentina currency via a check to Peter Holt? I thought not.......

[Skull-1]

I felt my time with the National Team wasn’t over
Manu Ginobili

SAN ANTONIO.- The first person I talked to was my wife. I also talked about it with Pop and I called Julio (Lamas, ARG coach) to confirm. For the first time in my career it wasn’t an easy decision to say yes. Not because of what I feel about the national team, that’s beyond any doubts. I also has nothing to do with patriotism, I don’t think sports have anything to do with that. It’s just no longer easy to give up a part of my vacations, because I have 3 kids. The main reason I’ll play it’s because my wife supported my decision. She was amazing with the kids, especially during the playoffs, when I’m not as much there like most times.

I know she’s doing an effort as big or bigger than mine, and I value that a lot. It’s not easy to go away from the twins and Luca when this is the time to catch up with them. I don’t make decisions alone, this is a family. The kids sometimes don’t understand why I’m not around that much, perhaps when they’re older they’ll understand.

I play for the national team because what we have is beautiful, what we achieved in all these years, how we feel about it, the experience we always collect and I didn’t want to miss it. I didn’t like the thought of watching my teammates on TV and not being there. Plus, I felt my time with the team wasn’t over.

When I had to put everything in the balance; the commitment with my teammates and how much fun I have around them was the deciding factor. Perhaps when I’m 50 years old I’ll remember a bunch of moments of my career. The one I just experienced with San Antonio will definitely be one of the most important ones; the Olympics Games will be there too. But every time I played with the National Team it was a valuable experience. Even when we lost. Amongst my most transcendent moments, my national team teammates are up there.

We talk to each other a lot. I think that, more or less, they thought I was going to play. But the guy that really needed to know was Julio Lamas, the coach, because he has to put together a list, prepare the team and I understand it’s not the same thing to do it if I’m there or if I’m not. I always try to have an answer by March, but this time I couldn’t do it.

Before London 2012 I thought that might’ve been my farewell, but I wasn’t convinced. Right now I would say I’m pretty sure. That’s why I want to take this from start to finish as a farewell. I think I’m perfect conditions to enjoy it a lot…

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Original article in Spanish:
http://canchallena.lanacion.com.ar/1703326-la-columna-de-manu-ginobili-en-la-nacion-senti-que-mi-ciclo-no-estaba-terminado



Sure has nothing to do with loyalty either. What an a-hole. I am so sick of this guy.


Oh my fucking god what a selfish scrub the spurs are going to go 0-82 now, I'll never forgive him for what he's done to TD etc

Patriotism. For Argentina? LMAO!!! Banana Republic. At least Brazil builds good airplanes. Argentina? SMH. Proud of that??? LMAO.

[HI-FI]

I felt my time with the National Team wasn’t over
Manu Ginobili

SAN ANTONIO.- The first person I talked to was my wife. I also talked about it with Pop and I called Julio (Lamas, ARG coach) to confirm. For the first time in my career it wasn’t an easy decision to say yes. Not because of what I feel about the national team, that’s beyond any doubts. I also has nothing to do with patriotism, I don’t think sports have anything to do with that. It’s just no longer easy to give up a part of my vacations, because I have 3 kids. The main reason I’ll play it’s because my wife supported my decision. She was amazing with the kids, especially during the playoffs, when I’m not as much there like most times.

I know she’s doing an effort as big or bigger than mine, and I value that a lot. It’s not easy to go away from the twins and Luca when this is the time to catch up with them. I don’t make decisions alone, this is a family. The kids sometimes don’t understand why I’m not around that much, perhaps when they’re older they’ll understand.

I play for the national team because what we have is beautiful, what we achieved in all these years, how we feel about it, the experience we always collect and I didn’t want to miss it. I didn’t like the thought of watching my teammates on TV and not being there. Plus, I felt my time with the team wasn’t over.

When I had to put everything in the balance; the commitment with my teammates and how much fun I have around them was the deciding factor. Perhaps when I’m 50 years old I’ll remember a bunch of moments of my career. The one I just experienced with San Antonio will definitely be one of the most important ones; the Olympics Games will be there too. But every time I played with the National Team it was a valuable experience. Even when we lost. Amongst my most transcendent moments, my national team teammates are up there.

We talk to each other a lot. I think that, more or less, they thought I was going to play. But the guy that really needed to know was Julio Lamas, the coach, because he has to put together a list, prepare the team and I understand it’s not the same thing to do it if I’m there or if I’m not. I always try to have an answer by March, but this time I couldn’t do it.

Before London 2012 I thought that might’ve been my farewell, but I wasn’t convinced. Right now I would say I’m pretty sure. That’s why I want to take this from start to finish as a farewell. I think I’m perfect conditions to enjoy it a lot…

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Original article in Spanish:
http://canchallena.lanacion.com.ar/1703326-la-columna-de-manu-ginobili-en-la-nacion-senti-que-mi-ciclo-no-estaba-terminado
if it's his farewell, I guess he should enjoy it.

I still hate he becomes Senor Glass and heals on company time because of this shit, but Pop has become a maestro at dealing with this stuff. With the way the Spurs have been clicking, maybe Manu will have enough time to recover.

[Skull-1]

He is cheating on the bitch. No wonder he is wanting time away. He even talked to her to get her to approve. Smoooooooth.

[Danny.Zhu]

Start rebuilding already LOL

[DAF86]

All the haters acknowledging how important Manu actually is. :lol

[Brox6]

Why Manu why ��

[kobyz]

All the soft pussy posters who trying to defend his dicision, saying he deserved to do what he wants cause we just won the title, or it's his life, or Spurs can live with him playing summer ball, or Spurs will not hurt much by this next season, etc... You are all fucking losers!!! And you are also don't see that the main problem with his dicision is not him physical playing that tournament, it's his mindset that not in the right place, not totally on repeating!!! It's like he becoming easygoing Manu once again, that the attitude that led to the 2013 playoff version of Manu!

[Ditty]

Won a championship. Don't care. Just be ready by next April. :flag:

[Skull-1]

All the haters acknowledging how important a HEALTHY....NON-TOSB Manu actually is. :lol

FIFY, douchebag.

[Skull-1]

All the soft pussy posters who trying to defend his dicision, saying he deserved to do what he wants cause we just won the title, or it's his life, or Spurs can live with him playing summer ball, or Spurs will not hurt much by this next season, etc... You are all fucking losers!!! And you are also don't see that the main problem with his dicision is not him physical playing that tournament, it's his mindset that not in the right place, not totally on repeating!!! It's like he becoming easygoing Manu once again, that the attitude that led to the 2013 playoff version of Manu!


+1

Typical Meskin mentality--"Manana, manana!" Kobyz pwning the homers.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Will his shitty country offset his Spurs salary in worthless, inflation-plagued Argentina currency via a check to Peter Holt? I thought not.......

:lmao

[ElNono]

Reassuring he talked to Pop, tbh... hopefully this translates into another 2 year extension for him and Timmy... both of them look like they have plenty left in the tank...

[dbreiden83080]

Your time with the national team is over because they fucking suck..

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Reassuring he talked to Pop, tbh... hopefully this translates into another 2 year extension for him and Timmy... both of them look like they have plenty left in the tank...

The only 2 year deals Manu needs to be signing is one with the senior living nursing homes, tbh. And maybe an endorsement with Rogaine.

[dbreiden83080]

Pop has to literally give this guy 2 months off thanks to this..