The media is ridiculously one sided on the Israel-Palestine conflict

[Shastafarian]

Deserve another attack to be honest.

Just for posterity sake :tu

[DarrinS]

Americans mourn Palestinian civilian casualties.

Palestinians celebrate American civilian casualties.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMOZvbYJMvU

[Infinite_limit]

Americans mourn Palestinian civilian casualties.

Palestinians celebrate American civilian casualties.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMOZvbYJMvU
Palestinians don't fund American civilian casualties

[pgardn]

US Stands Alone in Vote Against UN Inquiry Into Gaza Assault --- more -->> (http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/07/24/us-stands-alone-vote-against-un-inquiry-gaza-assault)
The United States was the only country in the world that voted Wednesday against the United Nations investigating human rights violations in Gaza unleashed by Israel's military assault.

http://commondreams.org/sites/default/files/media/gaza_strip_banner.png
You take my water
Burn my olive trees
Destroy my house
Take my job
Steal my land
Imprison my father
Kill my mother
Bomb my country
Starve us all
Humiliate us all
But … I am to blame: I shot a rocket back.

Take one guess which country was responsible for monitor human rights violations for the UN...










Syria under Assad.
Yep, that makes sense.

[pgardn]

Palestinians don't fund American civilian casualties

You think Yassir Araft had nothing to do with funding terrorism against the US?

[Shastafarian]

You think Yassir Araft had nothing to do with funding terrorism against the US?

Why do you respond to him as though he were a rational, reasonable person?

[pgardn]

Why do you respond to him as though he were a rational, reasonable person?

I was tired of calling him a fucking Nazi...

[Shastafarian]

I was tired of calling him a fucking Nazi...

True. At least Nazis didn't hide behind an internet name. Most were open in their ignorance and hatred.

And back on topic of this, a 72 hour cease-fire finally agreed upon. We'll see how long it actually lasts...

[pgardn]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/01/war-in-gaza-the-controversial-un-agency-that-found-rockets-in-its-schools/?tid=hp_mm&hpid=z3

So how does Hamas get weaponry into UN schools?
Anyone?

And why would Hamas do such a thing?

[TDMVPDPOY]

True. At least Nazis didn't hide behind an internet name. Most were open in their ignorance and hatred.

And back on topic of this, a 72 hour cease-fire finally agreed upon. We'll see how long it actually lasts...

lol 3hrs, fkn jews backpeddling welchers....yet american supports these clowns who welch?

[Shastafarian]

Oh so you know it was Israel that broke the cease-fire? Both sides are claiming the other broke. Israel was destroying tunnels, which was clear would continue even as part of the cease-fire, and said they were attacked. And an IDF soldier has also been kidnapped.

I don't know why I respond to you like you're a rational person either.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Oh so you know it was Israel that broke the cease-fire? Both sides are claiming the other broke. Israel was destroying tunnels, which was clear would continue even as part of the cease-fire, and said they were attacked. And an IDF soldier has also been kidnapped.

I don't know why I respond to you like you're a rational person either.

cease fire yet still put troops in enemy grounds? so ur allowed to do shit while they sit do nothing while u mess up their shit? i thought ceasefire u stay in ur territory and wait for next round

[Shastafarian]

That was supposedly the agreed upon terms. Hamas is claiming Israel advanced. Israel is claiming they did not advance but were in the process of destroying a tunnel. Either way a cease-fire can't continue while the tunnels exist. Israel is done fucking around now that a soldier has been captured. I truly feel bad for what's about to happen in Gaza.

[Cry Havoc]

Either way a cease-fire can't continue while the tunnels exist.

Maybe they shouldn't agree to a ceasefire then? Yet they did. And they continue to destroy infrastructure. That is not a ceasefire.

[Shastafarian]

Maybe they shouldn't agree to a ceasefire then? Yet they did.

You're right Hamas shouldn't have agreed to it.


And they continue to destroy infrastructure. That is not a ceasefire.:lol Hamas agreed to it knowing the terms. They had a suicide bomber waiting in a tunnel.

[mingus]

You're right Hamas shouldn't have agreed to it.

:lol Hamas agreed to it knowing the terms. They had a suicide bomber waiting in a tunnel.

I was reading an article yesterday. I'd no ideas Hamas had fifteen 15,000 soldiers/militants. I accused Israel of going to much on the offensive, but I was then under the impression that Hamas had maybe a quarter of that number, if even that. Not only that but they are well-trained, prepared, and armed. They looted Gadaffi's weapon arsenal and have many of his missiles.

They are fighting a formidable foe, not some amateurs and now i can see why Israel views them as such a big threat and the rational of why Israel is going to such lengths.

Hamas and Arabs need to accept Israel is there for the long run and appropriate funds to non military efforts. They are beating a dead horse trying to take out Israel. In reality the Jews have only one shred of land in the whole of the Middle East. Let them have it and move on. If not, these needles civilian killings will continue.

[Shastafarian]

I think Israel is going all in now. They've called up thousands of more reservists and the population is overwhelmingly behind this military operation. Lots of death and destruction is coming I fear.

[Cry Havoc]

I think Israel is going all in now. They've called up thousands of more reservists and the population is overwhelmingly behind this military operation. Lots of death and destruction is coming I fear.

And in the end, they will alienate more people and make more enemies of innocent civilians.

[pgardn]

cease fire yet still put troops in enemy grounds? so ur allowed to do shit while they sit do nothing while u mess up their shit? i thought ceasefire u stay in ur territory and wait for next round

Do you know what the average Israeli dreams of:

An independent Palestine, flourishing seaside resorts in Gaza as well as Israeli resorts. Good economies with no fucking rockets. Do you honestly think Hamas wants this? Do you honestly think Iran, Saudi Arabia wants this? Do you think the US wants this?

Seriously ask yourself this ya dumbfck Aussie... Who really gains with strife? Who?

[Shastafarian]

Israel will do what they have to do to ensure the safety of their own citizens. I don't agree with many of their actions but when the other side (the leadership and militia) is wholly unwilling to to even recognize the right for their nation to exist, it's hard for me to condemn the means to an end.

[spurraider21]

It's horrible, but when will they stop attacking Israel.

It would end if they simply stopped attacking Israel.

Israel has the right to defend itself.
an occupied palestine that has been pushed around and oppressed for decades has every right to retaliate.

[spurraider21]

but seriously :lmao at people throwing around the genocide term

[spurraider21]

You fund & defend it. Deserve another attack to be honest.
what country do you currently live in?

[pgardn]

an occupied palestine that has been pushed around and oppressed for decades has every right to retaliate.

The Israelis are not the only country responsible for oppression and pushing Palestinians around.

[spurraider21]

The Israelis are not the only country responsible for oppression and pushing Palestinians around.
who else in the last 20 years has done more in this regard than israel?

[pgardn]

who else in the last 20 years has done more in this regard than israel?

Iran and Saudi Arabia are using Palestinians as fodder via Hamas and other terrorist organizations.
The Israelis do the killing.
There are other more minor Middle East players that played a larger role in the past.

Its a perfect setup. Why is this so difficult to see? It's going on in other places besides Gaza. Innocents being used as fodder to cause outrage.

[spurraider21]

Iran and Saudi Arabia are using Palestinians as fodder via Hamas and other terrorist organizations.
The Israelis do the killing.
There are other more minor Middle East players that played a larger role in the past.

Its a perfect setup. Why is this so difficult to see? It's going on in other places besides Gaza. Innocents being used as fodder to cause outrage.
oh, ok

[Shastafarian]

Jordan killed a bunch of Palestinians in the 70s. Other arab nations have been less than nice to the "palestinians" in the past as well.

[pgardn]

oh, ok

No.

Its not OK.

[pgardn]

Who thinks Israelis purposely target innocent civilians?

[CosmicCowboy]

not me

[boutons_deux]

Arab Leaders, Viewing Hamas as Worse Than Israel, Stay Silent

Battling Palestinian militants in Gaza two years ago, Israel found itself pressed from all sides by unfriendly Arab neighbors to end the fighting.

Not this time.

After the military ouster of the Islamist government in Cairo last year, Egypt has led a new coalition of Arab states — including Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates — that has effectively lined up with Israel in its fight against Hamas, the Islamist movement that controls the Gaza Strip. That, in turn, may have contributed to the failure of the antagonists to reach a negotiated cease-fire even after more than three weeks of bloodshed.

“The Arab states’ loathing and fear of political Islam is so strong that it outweighs their allergy to Benjamin Netanyahu,” the prime minister of Israel, said Aaron David Miller, a scholar at the Wilson Center in Washington and a former Middle East negotiator under several presidents.

“I have never seen a situation like it, where you have so many Arab states acquiescing in the death and destruction in Gaza and the pummeling of Hamas,” he said. “The silence is deafening.”

Although Egypt is traditionally the key go-between in any talks with Hamas — deemed a terrorist group by the United States and Israel — the government in Cairo this time surprised Hamas by publicly proposing a cease-fire agreement that met most of Israel’s demands and none from the Palestinian group. Hamas was tarred as intransigent when it immediately rejected it, and Cairo has continued to insist that its proposal remains the starting point for any further discussions.

But as commentators sympathetic to the Palestinians slammed the proposal as a ruse to embarrass Hamas, Egypt’s Arab allies praised it. King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia called President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi of Egypt the next day to commend it, Mr. Sisi’s office said, in a statement that cast no blame on Israel but referred only to “the bloodshed of innocent civilians who are paying the price for a military confrontation for which they are not responsible.”
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/world/middleeast/fighting-political-islam-arab-states-find-themselves-allied-with-israel.html?_r=0

hmm, political Islam is feared?

Americans must also fear and block political Christians intent on an authoritarian theocracy.

[Infinite_limit]

Israel now trying to silence voices from Gaza via Twitter :

"Israel’s destruction of Gaza’s only power plant may claim another, possibly unexpected, victim – Gaza’s powerful online voice.

Live-tweeting IDF’s bombardment of her home on 29thJuly made 16 year old Farah Baker (@Farah_Gazan) one of Gaza’s most powerful online voices. Over 70,000 twitter users followed her in three days.

But for 24 hours she was silent online, without even power to charge her phone.

Her plaintive fears and emotions during an Israeli attack struck a powerful chord with Twitter users around the world."




http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac255/kegstermd/gaza_zpsd87287ff.png

[CosmicCowboy]

an occupied palestine that has been pushed around and oppressed for decades has every right to retaliate.

In that case, they have every right to get their fucking ass kicked when they do.

It's pretty simple, really.

Stop fucking with Israel and they will stop fucking with you.

[pgardn]

not me

4000 Israeli rockets or bombs have struck Gaza, 1600 dead.

People seriously think Israel is NOT trying to avoid civilian causualties.

With as sophisticated weaponry Israel has, and as densely populated Gaza is, that death number could easily, very easily be over 100,000 dead.

[pgardn]

Israel now trying to silence voices from Gaza via Twitter :

"Israel’s destruction of Gaza’s only power plant may claim another, possibly unexpected, victim – Gaza’s powerful online voice.

Live-tweeting IDF’s bombardment of her home on 29thJuly made 16 year old Farah Baker (@Farah_Gazan) one of Gaza’s most powerful online voices. Over 70,000 twitter users followed her in three days.

But for 24 hours she was silent online, without even power to charge her phone.

Her plaintive fears and emotions during an Israeli attack struck a powerful chord with Twitter users around the world."




http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac255/kegstermd/gaza_zpsd87287ff.png

When a power plant is struck, people with generators have power.
Who is going to have those generators working supplying light for tunnels and communications...
And who will notice who has the power for extraneous activities while they have to suffer...
Palestinians that are fodder...

Very harsh calculated move by Israel most likely.

Twitter... Sure thing.

[DarrinS]

http://twitchy.com/2014/07/29/italian-journalist-al-shati-massacre-caused-by-hamas-misfire-not-israel/

[pgardn]

http://twitchy.com/2014/07/29/italian-journalist-al-shati-massacre-caused-by-hamas-misfire-not-israel/

And you know that has happened more than once.

[DarrinS]

Hmmm?

http://time.com/3035937/gaza-israel-hamas-palestinian-casualties/

[mingus]

This is about self preservation, not about image. Hamas is a legitimate threat to Israel's existence. They could've, and potentially probably would've, used those vast networks of tunnels to invade Israel with thousands of militants. There's no other reason to build such a vast network of tunnels.

We're not talking about a small, disorganized militant. They have enough to start a ground invasion of Israel. This isn't even accounting for groups like ISIS and Hezbollah who are basically their allies. The former has already said they would come to Palesinian aid militarily.

Israel isn't worried about image. If that is at the forefront of their mind they may not have an image to protect anyway.

[Jacob1983]

How many civilians have died in Israel during this hissy fit?

[CosmicCowboy]

How many civilians have died in Israel during this hissy fit?

Doesn't matter.

Hamas needs to quit fucking with Israel.

If PeeWee Herman was to sucker punch Mike Tyson it stands to reason he is gonna get his ass kicked big time.

Thats Hamas pissing off Israel.

As someone else pointed out, Israel has the capability to have leveled that whole shithole to the ground by now. Israel is not targeting civilians but civilians will continue to be inadvertently killed as long as those pussy hamas terrorists keep using the Palestinian population as human shields.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So if Hamas were to acquiesce and recognize the sovereignty of Israel, do you guys think that the two state plan would work and Israel would allow autonomy? I imagine the Israelis would demand assurances Constitutionally.

Would be nice to move forward in that region for once at least.

[Infinite_limit]

How many civilians have died in Israel during this hissy fit?
3 - Israelis

1400 - Palestinians
----------------------------------------
466 Palestinians for each 1 Israeli


Which begs the question: Bigger Western BS the Hamas Rockets or Nazi Gas Chambers?

All I keep hearing from Americans concerning this current conflict is how Adolf Hitler was ahead of his time. Jews have their dick so far up Americans ass, it's fairly obvious to see why Hitler had a plan. Europeans are saying: I told you so :lol

[Infinite_limit]

Doesn't matter.

Hamas needs to quit fucking with Israel.

If PeeWee Herman was to sucker punch Mike Tyson it stands to reason he is gonna get his ass kicked big time.

Thats Hamas pissing off Israel.

As someone else pointed out, Israel has the capability to have leveled that whole shithole to the ground by now. Israel is not targeting civilians but civilians will continue to be inadvertently killed as long as those pussy hamas terrorists keep using the Palestinian population as human shields.
In this scenario Mike Tyson has picked on Herman on a daily basis (Regulated his usage of the bathroom, electricity & running water) and forced him to live out his life in a 8x8 room. Then one day Herman sucker punches Tyson. We would all applaud Herman for sticking up for himself.

Sidenote: Would love to see USA take the Jewish nutsack out of their mouth and equally equip and fund Hamas. I'm fairly certain in that case Palestine would make quick dust of the pussy Jews

[DarrinS]

In this scenario Mike Tyson has picked on Herman on a daily basis (Regulated his usage of the bathroom, electricity & running water) and forced him to live out his life in a 8x8 room. Then one day Herman sucker punches Tyson. We would all applaud Herman for sticking up for himself.

Sidenote: Would love to see USA take the Jewish nutsack out of their mouth and equally equip and fund Hamas. I'm fairly certain in that case Palestine would make quick dust of the pussy Jews


Yeah, let's fund terrorists. :rolleyes

Dumbass

[Infinite_limit]

Yeah, let's fund terrorists. :rolleyes

Dumbass
USA "funds terrorists" all the time. I.E Ukraine, Syria, Libya etc etc

[DarrinS]

The Palestinians' worst enemy is Hamas.

[pgardn]

3 - Israelis

1400 - Palestinians
----------------------------------------
466 Palestinians for each 1 Israeli


Which begs the question: Bigger Western BS the Hamas Rockets or Nazi Gas Chambers?

All I keep hearing from Americans concerning this current conflict is how Adolf Hitler was ahead of his time. Jews have their dick so far up Americans ass, it's fairly obvious to see why Hitler had a plan. Europeans are saying: I told you so :lol

Yes.

Israel has systematically set up a program, and kept meticulous records of the plan to eliminate 11 million Palestinians because, well, they are Palestinian.
But the plan fell short by 6 million.

Sure thing.

[Jacob1983]

Why is Israel blowing up schools and hospitals? What's the goal in mind on doing that?

[Shastafarian]

Obviously they want to kill as many doctors and teachers as possible.

[pgardn]

Why is Israel blowing up schools and hospitals? What's the goal in mind on doing that?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/01/war-in-gaza-the-controversial-un-agency-that-found-rockets-in-its-schools/?tid=hp_mm&hpid=z3

Again Jacob...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why is Israel blowing up schools and hospitals? What's the goal in mind on doing that?

Your sophistry is showing.

Both sides are shooting long range artillery of various accuracies. None of the reports are presenting physical evidence but every single one that is being put up in this thread are attributing it to the Israelis. One sided indeed.

I guess the Hamas' very low tech shells are filled with rainbows and only fall into the sea.

[pgardn]

Your sophistry is showing.

Both sides are shooting long range artillery of various accuracies. None of the reports are presenting physical evidence but every single one that is being put up in this thread are attributing it to the Israelis. One sided indeed.

I guess the Hamas' very low tech shells are filled with rainbows and only fall into the sea.

If sophistry implies even a tiny bit of sophistication, that's not big J.

[Wild Cobra]

an occupied palestine that has been pushed around and oppressed for decades has every right to retaliate.
They are pushed around because they give Israel no choice.

It is Israel that is retaliating.

[cantthinkofanything]

They are pushed around because they give Israel no choice.

It is Israel that is retaliating.

Go to bed faggot.

[Wild Cobra]

Why is Israel blowing up schools and hospitals? What's the goal in mind on doing that?

The goal is to let Hamas know they cannot set up a rocket launcher in a hospital or school to keep it safe.

Do you approve of Hamas using human shields?

[cantthinkofanything]

The goal is to let Hamas know they cannot set up a rocket launcher in a hospital or school to keep it safe.

Do you approve of Hamas using human shields?

No one approves of human shields.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Your sophistry is showing.


You've mastered using the words sophist and statist, the ultimate of message board insults. Lack of critical thinking and emperical data are equally as scathing. Creative you are not.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You've mastered using the words sophist and statist, the ultimate of message board insults. Lack of critical thinking and emperical data are equally as scathing. Creative you are not.

I am not insulting. I am making a compelling argument. He started off this thread stating that Israel was getting media bias. Now instead of considering the bias going the other way, he is now arguing on the merit of said media. It speaks to his veracity regardless of how creative the terminology I use is.

While you come here to troll and irritate people, I come here to discuss issues and try and understand the truth. Sophists and people that have difficulty understanding concepts and how they relate -like yourself- are clear signs to disregard someone.

Virtue and vice are inherent so wtf does creativity have to do with anything? Are you so stupid that you think that everyone does things for the same reason as you? You consistently project your rationalizations and motivation onto me. I am not remotely motivated by the same things as you. I don't value the same things as you.

[TDMVPDPOY]

bombin the shit out of someone then going to church to repent ur sins? roflmao fkn jews

[pgardn]

bombin the shit out of someone then going to church to repent ur sins? roflmao fkn jews

You mean Catholics...

[pgardn]

Hamas claims captured soldier dead.

Until someone finds a body, Israel will perform a very intrusive search most likely resulting in even more death on both sides. Anyone think Hamas will attempt to find a body quickly and send it to Israel via a second party to save lives?

The first word after the event was that Hamas had the soldier, which was later deleted. Hamas usually waits a while to announce a capture in order to hide the soldier before the Israelis can set up focus on an area.

[Shastafarian]

Looking forward to the calls for "war crimes" against Hamas for likely executing a prisoner of war.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I am not insulting. I am making a compelling argument. He started off this thread stating that Israel was getting media bias. Now instead of considering the bias going the other way, he is now arguing on the merit of said media. It speaks to his veracity regardless of how creative the terminology I use is.

While you come here to troll and irritate people, I come here to discuss issues and try and understand the truth. Sophists and people that have difficulty understanding concepts and how they relate -like yourself- are clear signs to disregard someone.

Virtue and vice are inherent so wtf does creativity have to do with anything? Are you so stupid that you think that everyone does things for the same reason as you? You consistently project your rationalizations and motivation onto me. I am not remotely motivated by the same things as you. I don't value the same things as you.

Look up


whooooosh

[Wild Cobra]

Look up


whooooosh
LOL...

Every time something flies over his head, he thinks he won!

[Cry Havoc]

but seriously :lmao at people throwing around the genocide term

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus#Israeli-Palestinian_conflict_.282009.E2.80.932012.29

Among the places worst affected by the use of white phosphorus was the UNRWA compound in Gaza City, at which Israeli forces fired three white phosphorus smoke shells on 15 January 2009. The white phosphorus landed next to some fuel trucks and caused a large fire which destroyed tons of humanitarian aid.[72][73][74] Prior to this strike, the compound had already been hit an hour earlier and the Israeli authorities had been informed by UNRWA officials and had given assurance that no further strikes would be launched on the compound.[75] In another incident on the same day a white phosphorus smoke shell landed in the al-Quds hospital in Gaza City also causing a fire that forced hospital staff to evacuate the patients.[76] The commander of the Gaza division, Brig. Gen. Eyal Eizenberg, and the commander of the Givati brigade, Col. Ilan Malka, were later disciplined for authorizing the shelling.[77]

In September 2010, reports of white phosphorus mortars hitting Eshkol regional council (Israel) Eshkol Regional Council head Haim Yalin told Haaretz on Wednesday that "at about 6:30 in the morning the mortars began landing. By noon nine mortar shell hits had been identified, including two phosphorous (sic) ones."[78][79]

Yeah, they're totally just defending themselves.

[Shastafarian]

Do you realize you added in accounts of Palestinians using white phosphorus against Israeli civilians as well? And your quote also says the Israeli military personnel who authorized using white phosphorus were disciplined. I fail to see how that is genocide.

from the same wikipedia article:


The Jerusalem Post reported that in January 2012, two mortars were fired from Gaza into the area governed by the Eshkol Regional Council which were determined by the Israeli military to have contained white phosphorus

[Cry Havoc]

This is about self preservation, not about image. Hamas is a legitimate threat to Israel's existence. They could've, and potentially probably would've, used those vast networks of tunnels to invade Israel with thousands of militants. There's no other reason to build such a vast network of tunnels.

We're not talking about a small, disorganized militant. They have enough to start a ground invasion of Israel. This isn't even accounting for groups like ISIS and Hezbollah who are basically their allies. The former has already said they would come to Palesinian aid militarily.

Israel isn't worried about image. If that is at the forefront of their mind they may not have an image to protect anyway.

You think this is the case? If Hamas could have invaded Israel, they would have done so. But across the border is the 6th largest military in the world. Explosive ordinance, tanks, and modern artillery tend to nullify "we have a lot of guys with AK-47s who know how to dig."

It's ridiculous. If Hamas was that much of a threat to Israel, you wouldn't see Israeli citizens going about their daily life like nothing is ever going to happen while they're in the middle of a war across the border.

More people died yesterday from lightning strikes than Israelis have during this escalation of the conflict. Somehow I'm not convinced that Hamas is a threat to them. Weird, I know.

[Shastafarian]

Pretty clear you have no idea what it is to be an Israeli civilian.

[Cry Havoc]

Do you realize you added in accounts of Palestinians using white phosphorus against Israeli civilians as well? And your quote also says the Israeli military personnel who authorized using white phosphorus were disciplined. I fail to see how that is genocide.

from the same wikipedia article:

Stop talking past me. NO ONE on this board has advocated for Hamas or their actions. They're terrorists and they deserve to get booted out.

Just not at the expense of thousands of innocent lives that Israel is all too willing to end, as long as they can do it without receiving too much chastisement from the world.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/us-firm-condemnation-shelling-un-school-gaza

Even the fucking United States said they went too far (but we're not above making money on the situation).

[Cry Havoc]

Pretty clear you have no idea what it is to be an Israeli civilian.

:lol The audacity to make a statement like that. :lol

It's pretty clear that 2 people have died and thousands on the other side. Pretty clear you have no idea how disproportionate that is.

You let me know the minute a missile from Gaza lands on a hospital or school. Then we'll talk.

[Wild Cobra]

Stop talking past me. NO ONE on this board has advocated for Hamas or their actions. They're terrorists and they deserve to get booted out.

Just not at the expense of thousands of innocent lives that Israel is all too willing to end, as long as they can do it without receiving too much chastisement from the world.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/us-firm-condemnation-shelling-un-school-gaza

Even the fucking United States said they went too far (but we're not above making money on the situation).
OK, what is your plan to stop it?

The innocent Palestinians aren't so innocent if they are going to turn a blind eye to what happens in their neighborhoods. At some point, they need to say "enough is enough," and take action against the terrorists in their communities. Until that happens, I will not shed a tear for the collateral damage.

[TDMVPDPOY]

OK, what is your plan to stop it?

The innocent Palestinians aren't so innocent if they are going to turn a blind eye to what happens in their neighborhoods. At some point, they need to say "enough is enough," and take action against the terrorists in their communities. Until that happens, I will not shed a tear for the collateral damage.

hamas aint shootin shit at their own ppl, why would their own ppl fight against the ppl who are fighting the enemy?

[Cry Havoc]

OK, what is your plan to stop it?

The innocent Palestinians aren't so innocent if they are going to turn a blind eye to what happens in their neighborhoods. At some point, they need to say "enough is enough," and take action against the terrorists in their communities. Until that happens, I cannot shed a tear for the collateral damage.

WC, ever the brave one, who won't even debate points in this forum like a man, blaming impoverished people who can't even feed themselves for not charging into a phalanx of fully automatic assault rifles. :lol

Not surprising that you would label living, breathing people, as "collateral damage".

[Wild Cobra]

WC, ever the brave one, who won't even debate points in this forum like a man, blaming impoverished people who can't even feed themselves for not charging into a phalanx of fully automatic assault rifles. :lol

Not surprising that you would label living, breathing people, as "collateral damage".

OK, what is your solution?

[Shastafarian]

Stop talking past me. NO ONE on this board has advocated for Hamas or their actions. They're terrorists and they deserve to get booted out.

Just not at the expense of thousands of innocent lives that Israel is all too willing to end, as long as they can do it without receiving too much chastisement from the world.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/us-firm-condemnation-shelling-un-school-gaza

Even the fucking United States said they went too far (but we're not above making money on the situation).You quoted someone who mentioned genocide. You linked to a wikipedia article about white phosphorus use in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Without realizing it (I assume) you gave evidence of BOTH sides using it yet you only chastised Israel. I was pointing that out.


:lol The audacity to make a statement like that. :lolSeeing as how I have relatives who live there and have been there myself it's not audacious at all. Your comment was ignorant.


It's pretty clear that 2 people have died and thousands on the other side. Pretty clear you have no idea how disproportionate that is.Your comment said nothing about a death tally. You commented on how easy it is to live in Israel. After all, there's nothing to worry about right?


You let me know the minute a missile from Gaza lands on a hospital or school. Then we'll talk.I have yet to say I think Israel is justified in hitting schools or even using artillery. However, you keep assuming things that just aren't clear cut. You're assigning blame and frankly getting upset about things you don't understand. It's frustrating to see someone who clearly has an interest in the situation be so lazy.

[spurraider21]

Im it even discussing who is right or wrong here. But describing it as genocide is laughable

[Shastafarian]

Sensationalism continues to manipulate people...

[Shastafarian]

Im it even discussing who is right or wrong here. But describing it as genocide is laughable

I didn't understand why he quoted you and then brought up white phosphorus. If it was an attempt to back up claims of "genocide" he ruined his own post by showing palestinians used it too.

[Cry Havoc]

You quoted someone who mentioned genocide. You linked to a wikipedia article about white phosphorus use in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Without realizing it (I assume) you gave evidence of BOTH sides using it yet you only chastised Israel. I was pointing that out.

So you're saying Israel has equaled the actions of a terrorist organization that you've been condemning right and left on this board. Cool. Your only problem is you're still waiting for me to condone Hamas. Which I haven't and won't do. :tu "It's not genocide but hey, as long as TERRORISTS are doing it, we might as well do it too!" That kind of logic is just saddening. Israel should NOT be sinking to the level of Hamas. And if Israeli civilians died in those white phosphorus attacks, I absolutely would label it genocide or attempted genocide at the very least.


Seeing as how I have relatives who live there and have been there myself it's not audacious at all. Your comment was ignorant.

And you are OBVIOUSLY not objective in this situation, given what you just stated. So drop the act like you're viewing this from objectively tinted lenses.

Secondly, again, you're free to think you're the only one who could POSSIBLY know someone from Israel. You're also free to make that determination without any facts to support it. But if I said I did, you'd probably just call me a liar, right?


Your comment said nothing about a death tally. You commented on how easy it is to live in Israel. After all, there's nothing to worry about right?

Of course there is. I'm sure every citizen in Israel is concerned about the conflict. How many of them do you think spend large portions of their day huddled in shelters waiting for a bomb to fall on their head?


I have yet to say I think Israel is justified in hitting schools or even using artillery. However, you keep assuming things that just aren't clear cut. You're assigning blame and frankly getting upset about things you don't understand. It's frustrating to see someone who clearly has an interest in the situation be so lazy.


it's hard for me to condemn the means to an end.

Yeah, man, don't be TOO harsh in ridiculing Israel for their actions! :lol

And of course I'm upset. People are dying. That is perhaps the best thing TO be upset about. It's difficult to sit here and watch it go down. That doesn't mean I abdicate rationality in my discourse. YOU however, have admitted to having family in Israel, so to accuse me of being impartial is frankly ridiculous. And make ad-hominems all you want. Again, just shows how ridiculously biased you are in this situation. :tu

[Shastafarian]

So you're saying Israel has equaled the actions of a terrorist organization that you've been condemning right and left on this board. Cool. I don't agree with the use of white phosphorus this is true. I also don't feel the need to assign labels like you do.

Your only problem is your still waiting for me to condone Hamas.I'm not. Your one-sided condemnation of Israel does it implicitly.

"It's not genocide but hey, as long as TERRORISTS are doing it, we might as well do it too!" That kind of logic is just saddening. Logic I have not espoused. I was pointing out YOUR failure of logic in chastising Israel but not Hamas.

Israel should NOT be sinking to the level of Hamas. And if Israeli civilians died in those white phosphorus attacks, I absolutely would label it genocide or attempted genocide at the very least.You clearly don't know what genocide means


And you are OBVIOUSLY not objective in this situation, given what you just stated. So drop the act like you're viewing this from fairly tinted lenses.What act? It's pretty obvious where my bias lays. I do my best to be objective. You clearly don't.


Secondly, again, you're free to think you're the only one who could POSSIBLY know someone from Israel.Never said that

You're also free not to make that determination without any facts to support it. But if I said I did, you'd probably just call me a liar, right?Nope. When were you there? How many people do you know there?


Of course there is.But you told us everything was peachy

I'm sure every citizen in Israel is concerned about the conflict. How many of them do you think spend large portions of their day huddled in shelters waiting for a bomb to fall on their head?Uh...a large portion when the sirens go off. And that had been happening fairly frequently.



Yeah, man, don't be TOO harsh in ridiculing Israel for their actions?Like I said it's hard to condemn their actions. But I have done so.


And of course I'm upset. People are dying. That is perhaps the best thing TO be upset about. It's difficult to sit here and watch it go down. That doesn't mean I abdicate rationality in my discourse. YOU however, have admitted to having family in Israel, so to accuse me of being impartial is frankly ridiculous.
I accused you of being manipulated by sensationalism. I hate that people are dying. I don't agree with a good portion of what the Israeli govt is doing. That being said the other side makes it difficult to suggest anything else. Israel conducts these airstrikes and artillery attacks to save the lives of their soldiers. I don't like that they conduct these operations in civilian areas but I'm not sure what other option they have aside from a full ground offensive that will cost thousands of lives on both sides. What suggestions do you have?

Also try to calm down. I can see this is getting you worked up.

[pgardn]

hamas aint shootin shit at their own ppl, why would their own ppl fight against the ppl who are fighting the enemy?

Are you serious?

Hamas basically won a war against the Abbas faction of the PLO. The Abbas faction is now set up in the West Bank.
They had Palestinians shooting and killing each other, Hamas won in Gaza.
You are so ill-informed its amazing.

Just stop and let others post until you actually read something about the history of the region.
You make Australia look like some sort of Island for derelicts.
And to think my wife and I discussed how Australians seem to fit in so comfortably in Texas...
Wait a sec...

[Shastafarian]

200,000 people die, no big deal.

1,400 die, suddenly we *have* to respond.

Yep. Logic.


These images could have been posted weeks months or years ago and it would have just been a bullet in their head/chest, or the remnants of their body from an explosion. Why is dying from conventional warfare more acceptable?

These were the only comments I could find from you on the Syrian civil war where thousands of civilians have died. Now I'll be honest I only got to look through 4-5 threads. Care to direct me to your outrage over those civilian deaths?

[DarrinS]

hamas aint shootin shit at their own ppl, why would their own ppl fight against the ppl who are fighting the enemy?

Oops

http://twitchy.com/2014/07/29/italian-journalist-al-shati-massacre-caused-by-hamas-misfire-not-israel/

[Cry Havoc]

I don't agree with the use of white phosphorus this is true. I also don't feel the need to assign labels like you do.
I'm not. Your one-sided condemnation of Israel does it implicitly.

Perhaps the most fucked up thing about this situation is that I need to openly condemn a terrorist organization to satisfy this bizarre thought you have in your head that I agree with what they're doing. It is IMPLICIT that when I call them a "terrorist organization", there is a definite implied meaning in that. Why the fuck should I have to draw those two lines out for you to connect? Do you need to physically read the words? I call them a terrorist organization and your response is "STOP SIDING WITH THEM". Ok Chief.


Logic I have not espoused. I was pointing out YOUR failure of logic in chastising Israel but not Hamas.

Why the fuck would I chastise a terrorist organization whom I do not recognize as a legitimate government?


You clearly don't know what genocide means

gen·o·cide
ˈjenəˌsīd/Submit
noun
the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

Hmmm, gee, does setting off a wide-dispersal severe burn agent in a populated area count as "deliberately killing a large group of people"? I don't know professor, why don't you explain to me how it's not?

Amnesty International said a fact-finding team found "indisputable evidence of the widespread use of white phosphorus" in crowded civilian residential areas of Gaza City and elsewhere in the territory.[39] Donatella Rovera, the head of an Amnesty fact-finding mission to southern Israel and Gaza, said: "Israeli forces used white phosphorus and other weapons supplied by the USA to carry out serious violations of international humanitarian law, including war crimes."

Clearly I'm just ignorant. Keep firing out the ad-hominems, dude.


What act? It's pretty obvious where my bias lays. I do my best to be objective. You clearly don't.

Because I disagree with you. Mmkay.


Never said that


Pretty clear you have no idea what it is to be an Israeli civilian.

Pretty clear you said exactly that. As in, no other meaning could be derived from what you said. But you go ahead and backtrack on your own words pal.


Nope. When were you there? How many people do you know there?

A good friend and former roommate of mine is an Israeli citizen. Used to tend bar at a place called "The Bomb Shelter" of all places.


But you told us everything was peachy

By comparison? Absolutely. You don't see a lot of people on twitter in Israel openly wondering if they're going to die tonight. Because they know they aren't.


Like I said it's hard to condemn their actions. But I have done so.

Right before you said, "The ends justify the means." Do you know what condemn actually means? You haven't stopped defending them from day 1 of your posts.


I accused you of being manipulated by sensationalism.

People dying en masse and hospitals being bombed with wounded still inside isn't dramatic to you? Do you think this needs to be "played up" in the media more than it is?


I hate that people are dying. I don't agree with a good portion of what the Israeli govt is doing. That being said the other side makes it difficult to suggest anything else. Israel conducts these airstrikes and artillery attacks to save the lives of their soldiers. I don't like that they conduct these operations in civilian areas but I'm not sure what other option they have aside from a full ground offensive that will cost thousands of lives on both sides. What suggestions do you have?

For starters, not specifically targeting areas where there will be large numbers of children. For all the expert targeting Israel has done, they've killed less than 100 armed fighters, if reports are to be believed. So in essence they're just killing civilians right now. Given how large the Gaza forces are supposed to be, that seems to be a pretty damning indicator of how effective Israel is. Maybe STOP bombing hospitals, ambulances, and schools, and MAJOR population centers, unless you're SURE you're going to hit a military target? Because as of now, it looks like they're lobbing missiles wherever there are people. Because that's exactly what they're doing.


Also try to calm down. I can see this is getting you worked up.

I'm fine. But do feel free to make more assumptions about me, that seems to be the driving modus operandi behind a good portion of your rebuttals.

[DarrinS]

Are you serious?

Hamas basically won a war against the Abbas faction of the PLO. The Abbas faction is now set up in the West Bank.
They had Palestinians shooting and killing each other, Hamas won in Gaza.
You are so ill-informed its amazing.

Just stop and let others post until you actually read something about the history of the region.
You make Australia look like some sort of Island for derelicts.
And to think my wife and I discussed how Australians seem to fit in so comfortably in Texas...
Wait a sec...



Yep. And don't protest against Hamas, either.


http://www.worldtribune.com/2014/07/31/sources-hamas-quickly-puts-dissent-gaza-kills-palestinian-protesters/

[Shastafarian]

And make ad-hominems all you want. Again, just shows how ridiculously biased you are in this situation. :tu

Oh you added this little tidbit. I said you clearly have no idea what it is to be an Israeli civilian because you don't...unless you live there. Do you live there?


It's ridiculous. If Hamas was that much of a threat to Israel, you wouldn't see Israeli citizens going about their daily life like nothing is ever going to happen while they're in the middle of a war across the border.I would wager a vast minority go about their day "like nothing is ever going to happen".


More people died yesterday from lightning strikes than Israelis have during this escalation of the conflict. Somehow I'm not convinced that Hamas is a threat to them. Weird, I know.I think the people who have died from rockets would disagree about Hamas being a threat That is they would disagree if they were still alive. Just because the iron dome is really efficient doesn't mean there is no threat.

[Cry Havoc]

These were the only comments I could find from you on the Syrian civil war where thousands of civilians have died. Now I'll be honest I only got to look through 4-5 threads. Care to direct me to your outrage over those civilian deaths?

Of course I'm outraged over Syria. The comments above are proof of that. I follow it as often as I can from the few news sources I trust to be impartial. It's arguably an even more complicated scenario, though, since many of the rebel groups are just as bad as the current government.

I fail to see anyone on SpursTalk who wants to debate the issue much, however. Bump the topic and let's get it going and I'd be happy to lend my views. I was unaware that my posting to SpursTalk are proof of how I feel about the world. :rolleyes

[DarrinS]

Why do people trust casualty figures supplied by Hamas?

[pgardn]

Palestinian flags waving next to swastikas in France.

Peachy...

[mingus]

You think this is the case? If Hamas could have invaded Israel, they would have done so. But across the border is the 6th largest military in the world. Explosive ordinance, tanks, and modern artillery tend to nullify "we have a lot of guys with AK-47s who know how to dig."It's ridiculous. If Hamas was that much of a threat to Israel, you wouldn't see Israeli citizens going about their daily life like nothing is ever going to happen while they're in the middle of a war across the border.More people died yesterday from lightning strikes than Israelis have during this escalation of the conflict. Somehow I'm not convinced that Hamas is a threat to them. Weird, I know.

Why else build a vast network of tunnels if not to use them to invade Israel?

But for me the tipping point was after an article I read that said Hamas has an estimated 15-20,000 force, who are well-trained, well funded (those tunnels are estimated to have cost ~$100 mil), and well-armed (rocket launchers, missiles and sophisticated weaponry looted from Gadaffi and given by other terrorist groups or backers). The article painted the picture that these guys are more than the box cutter/ak-47 wielding, disorganized terrorists. Not only that but they have the backing of ISIS and Hezbollah. ISIS has claimed already they will come to their military aid. Like bacteria these terrorist groups get stronger and more sophisticated. The US is in a geographic position where they can take a more defensive stance against them and not have to take offensive measures. But Israel is right in the thick of everything and I simply don't think they can stop without handing a heavy, decapitating blow to them. A cease fire without doing so would allow the group to re-stock, re-strategize and be better networked with other terrorist groups and be that much more of a problem for Israel in the future. Will it engender more anti-Israeli hatred? Probably so, but I'm not sure Israel has much of a choice. Either way they're pretty much fucked. Israel is self-preserving. They'll probably get nuked anyway at some point when one of these groups gets its hands on a nuke and the shit Israel is doing now will seem like child's play.

[Cry Havoc]

Why else build a vast network of tunnels if not to use them to invade Israel?

But for me the tipping point was after an article I read that said Hamas has an estimated 15-20,000 force, who are well-trained, well funded (those tunnels are estimated to have cost ~$100 mil), and well-armed (rocket launchers, missiles and sophisticated weaponry looted from Gadaffi and given by other terrorist groups or backers). The article painted the picture that these guys are more than the box cutter/ak-47 wielding, disorganized terrorists. Not only that but they have the backing of ISIS and Hezbollah. ISIS has claimed already they will come to their military aid.

Like bacteria these terrorist groups get stronger and more sophisticated. The US is in a geographic position where they can take a more defensive stance against them and not have to take offensive measures. But Israel is right in the thick of everything and I simply don't think they can stop without handing a heavy, decapitating blow to them. A cease fire without doing so would allow the group to re-stock, re-strategize and be better networked with other terrorist groups and be that much more of a problem for Israel in the future. Will it engender more anti-Israeli hatred? Probably so, but I'm not sure Israel has much of a choice. Either way they're pretty much fucked. Israel is pretty much self-preserving. They'll probably get nuked anyway at some point when one of these groups gets its hands on a nuke and the shit Israel is doing now will seem like child's play.

A cursory glance at any reputable website will reveal that they were used for food and other goods (as well as weapons). They were initially designed as smuggling tunnels, not tunnels designed for an invasion. Use some due diligence and research the situation instead of making unfounded accusations.

[Shastafarian]

Perhaps the most fucked up thing about this situation is that I need to openly condemn a terrorist organization to satisfy this bizarre thought you have in your head that I agree with what they're doing. It is IMPLICIT that when I call them a "terrorist organization", there is a definite implied meaning in that. Why the fuck should I have to draw those two lines out for you to connect? Do you need to physically read the words? I call them a terrorist organization and your response is "STOP SIDING WITH THEM". Ok Chief.You're putting words in my mouth. All I have done is point out things you choose not to and said that you have chosen not to. This seems one-sided to me.



Why the fuck would I chastise a terrorist organization whom I do not recognize as a legitimate government?Because they're doing bad things? I guess calling them a terrorist organization is enough for you and then you don't have to say anything else about what they do. Is that correct?


gen·o·cide
ˈjenəˌsīd/Submit
noun
the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

Hmmm, gee, does setting off a wide-dispersal severe burn agent in a populated area count as "deliberately killing a large group of people"? I don't know professor, why don't you explain to me how it's not?So it's ok for you to use ad hominems but when I use assumptions to say you don't know what it's like to be an Israeli citizen I'm the bad guy? I don't believe their intention was to kill large groups of people with white phosphorus. That is my belief. The side effects of white phosphorus as signaling a device make it a unusable (in my opinion) in populated areas. Perhaps that is why Israel no longer uses it.


Amnesty International said a fact-finding team found "indisputable evidence of the widespread use of white phosphorus" in crowded civilian residential areas of Gaza City and elsewhere in the territory.[39] Donatella Rovera, the head of an Amnesty fact-finding mission to southern Israel and Gaza, said: "Israeli forces used white phosphorus and other weapons supplied by the USA to carry out serious violations of international humanitarian law, including war crimes."

Clearly I'm just ignorant. Keep firing out the ad-hominems, dude.As I said I don't agree with using white phosphorus. It is not genocide. And maybe you should cease with the ad hominems too?



Because I disagree with you. Mmkay.No because your comments are very one-sided. Oh wait, you called Hamas a terrorist organization so it's ok.




Pretty clear you said exactly that. As in, no other meaning could be derived from what you said. But you go ahead and backtrack on your own words pal.:rollin how is that "exactly" that? You're applying meaning to my words.




A good friend and former roommate of mine is an Israeli citizen. Used to tend bar at a place called "The Bomb Shelter" of all places.And what are his thoughts on this? How many times has he had to go into a bomb shelter?




By comparison? Absolutely.Didn't realize fearing for ones' life could be marginalized

You don't see a lot of people on twitter in Israel openly wondering if they're going to die tonight. Because they know they aren't.lol Twitter? For real? You're gonna use twitter as a source for showing Israelis aren't afraid?



Right before you said, "The ends justify the means." Do you know what condemn actually means? You haven't stopped defending them from day 1 of your posts.I defend them and also am clear where I disagree with them. I'm not sure how this is hard to see.



People dying en masse and hospitals being bombed with wounded still inside isn't dramatic to you? Do you think this needs to be "played up" in the media more than it is?So you admit you're being manipulated?



For starters, not specifically targeting areas where there will be large numbers of children. For all the expert targeting Israel has done, they've killed less than 100 armed fighters, if reports are to be believed.Not accurate. I'm not going to claim to know how many combatants have been killed when the numbers are coming from Hamas, among other organizations. That being said I know many hundreds of civilians have been killed and am not ok with it. It pains me to see innocent people killed. As opposed to people who compare being killed by rockets with being hit by lightning.

So in essence they're just killing civilians right now.based on what?

Given how large the Gaza forces are supposed to be, that seems to be a pretty damning indicator of how effective Israel is. Maybe STOP bombing hospitals, ambulances, and schools, and MAJOR population centers, unless you're SURE you're going to hit a military target? Because as of now, it looks like they're lobbing missiles wherever there are people.Something we agree on. Why do you think they are doing this? Do you think they're trying to kill civilians? Maybe they think it will garner them favor with some sadistic country or person?





I'm fine. But do feel free to make more assumptions about me, that seems to be the driving modus operandi behind a good portion of your rebuttals.
Pot, kettle. Nice to meet you. You seem upset because you use emoticons and CAPITALIZE more than necessary. You also basically said you're getting emotional.

[Shastafarian]

Of course I'm outraged over Syria. The comments above are proof of that. Maybe. Not to the level of this outrage IMO. You scoffed at pictures of gassed children. But whatever, I have to take your word for it.

I follow it as often as I can from the few news sources I trust to be impartial. It's arguably an even more complicated scenario, though, since many of the rebel groups are just as bad as the current government.So you don't comment on it because it's complicated?


I fail to see anyone on SpursTalk who wants to debate the issue much, however. Bump the topic and let's get it going and I'd be happy to lend my views. I was unaware that my posting to SpursTalk are proof of how I feel about the world. :rolleyesWell when you have this many posts on one topic and so few on an arguably more horrific humanitarian situation, it begs this question.

[mingus]

I'll look at the sites, but it still doesn't change the fact that they're lobbing missiles toward Israel and pose a threat bigger than just sporadic groups of militants with ak47s. It's horrible what's going on over there but Israel is defending itself, and it can't allow the notion that simply hiding among civilians will give them a pass to do what they want.

[Shastafarian]

Cars, cows, and cigarettes came through what were commonly called smuggling tunnels, although Hamas taxed what it could after it came to power 2006. Cheap Egyptian gasoline kept Gaza going when Israel fuel was too expensive. Weapons and sometimes people travelled through those commercial tunnels too.

Hamas also used a tunnel from Gaza to enter Israel and kidnap an Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit, in 2006. He was held for five years, until Israel agreed to free more than 1,000 Palestinian prisoners.

Those commercial tunnels were mostly into Egypt, not Israel.

[Cry Havoc]

You're putting words in my mouth. All I have done is point out things you choose not to and said that you have chosen not to. This seems one-sided to me.

False. Stop lying.


I'm not. Your one-sided condemnation of Israel does it implicitly.

You openly said that you think my lack of condemnation can be equated with condoning Hamas. There is no "pointing out what I have and haven't said", because you already attached your own value to it. So again, you backtrack on your words. Don't make assumptions and you'll avoid this issue, ok?


Because they're doing bad things? I guess calling them a terrorist organization is enough for you and then you don't have to say anything else about what they do. Is that correct?

Yes? Do you really want me to hold the Israeli government to the same standards of ideals of a terrorist organization? It's obvious that Hamas is an abominable sect that wants to cause chaos.


So it's ok for you to use ad hominems but when I use assumptions to say you don't know what it's like to be an Israeli citizen I'm the bad guy?

I think after about the 5th round you fired at me, under the full assumption that I was not objective, I decided to start pointing out your hypocrisy. I made absolutely NO comments as to the character behind your arguments until you had fired quite a few in my direction. So yes, I grew tired of you attempting to assail the person behind the comments rather than argue the situation based on merit alone.


I don't believe their intention was to kill large groups of people with white phosphorus. That is my belief. The side effects of white phosphorus as signaling a device make it a unusable (in my opinion) in populated areas. Perhaps that is why Israel no longer uses it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Israeli_phosphorus-attack_Gaza_2009.jpeg/250px-Israeli_phosphorus-attack_Gaza_2009.jpeg

An Israeli white phosphorous round explodes over a Gaza residential area. 11 January 2009

Signaling. Sure.


As I said I don't agree with using white phosphorus. It is not genocide. And maybe you should cease with the ad hominems too?

Absolutely. As soon as you stop going after my own person in these discussions rather than the point at bear. It is tiresome and bothersome to deal with your tactics. Go back and read over the pages and look at how many individual incursions you've made against me, rather than what I'm saying.


No because your comments are very one-sided. Oh wait, you called Hamas a terrorist organization so it's ok.

Because a terrorist organization is going to... cause terror? That doesn't make it ok. That makes it nothing of the sort. That just implies it's what I EXPECT of them. I don't expect a government like Israel to cause terror. I'm not sure how much more clearly I can delineate the differences between the two at this point.


:rollin how is that "exactly" that? You're applying meaning to my words.

Because you (unintentionally perhaps) cram your words with meaning and not so vague reproaches. And then when I comment on it, you state that you are "just making observations". Except much of the time it's contradicting what you said prior to that. See above.


And what are his thoughts on this? How many times has he had to go into a bomb shelter?

I didn't ask him a hard and fast number. He was pretty calm about the entire thing. Just ascribed it to part of being in the region and living there. He wasn't happy about it obviously, but he's a pretty laid back dude anyway.


Didn't realize fearing for ones' life could be marginalized

Why not? You sweep the slaughter of thousands of innocents under the guise of "what has to be done". 2 people have died. Two. So yes, I don't doubt they're afraid, but I seriously doubt they have the same level of fear as the people in Gaza do when they hear air raid sirens.


lol Twitter? For real? You're gonna use twitter as a source for showing Israelis aren't afraid?

I'm pointing out that there are very real people posting about how this might be their last night on Earth from Gaza. They aren't getting dressed, going to school, or work. They're just trying to hang on to life in many places.


I defend them and also am clear where I disagree with them. I'm not sure how this is hard to see.

Right before you go back to saying, "Well, it has to be done and therefore it's justified." Not sure how you feel that's condemning of anything.


So you admit you're being manipulated?

No. I admit that the situation itself, with no media bias or coverage, is absolutely terrifying. It doesn't need any boosting from the media to make it terrible. It already is.


Not accurate. I'm not going to claim to know how many combatants have been killed when the numbers are coming from Hamas, among other organizations. That being said I know many hundreds of civilians have been killed and am not ok with it. It pains me to see innocent people killed. As opposed to people who compare being killed by rockets with being hit by lightning.

And we're back to ad-hominems. I thought you said you were going to stop that?


Something we agree on. Why do you think they are doing this? Do you think they're trying to kill civilians? Maybe they think it will garner them favor with some sadistic country or person?

Because they know they can get away with it. Because it's easier. Because Netanyahu isn't exactly a lover of the people of Gaza. Because might makes right in a large portion of the world still, and Israel knows it will continue to have US support almost completely independent of what they do short of nuking the entire strip.


Pot, kettle. Nice to meet you. You seem upset because you use emoticons and CAPITALIZE more than necessary. You also basically said you're getting emotional.

You started with the ad-hominems, but you accuse me of being emotional. Alright. I admitted that I was upset about the *situation*. I'm objective enough to say that and recognize when I'm slightly compromised. That doesn't mean my arguments have to be laced with acid, however.

[Cry Havoc]

Maybe. Not to the level of this outrage IMO. You scoffed at pictures of gassed children. But whatever, I have to take your word for it.

I scoffed at the media and their lack of coverage. Honestly if you're going to continue this attempted character assassination, I have better things to do with my Saturday than debate this with you. Use reasonable discourse on issue with decency or I'm gone.


So you don't comment on it because it's complicated?

Again, I was unaware that SpursTalk encompassed the entirety of my discussion on a topic. :lol I think it's not being discussed on this site specifically because of the complexity and many people don't want to delve into that corridor. But honestly, could you make ONE post without firing off unfounded assumptions and accusations? And you accuse ME of being emotional. :lol :lol :lol :lol


Well when you have this many posts on one topic and so few on an arguably more horrific humanitarian situation, it begs this question.

Do you see Syria anywhere on the front page? Do you see anyone debating it here? Where's your outrage, sir? Why are people dying in Syria by the thousands and apparently you don't care (see, now I'm borrowing talking points from you), since clearly the only way to show you care about something is whether or not you post on a basketball website about it?

Given you're completely unable to post without attacking me, I think I'll be off of here for a while. I'm sure you'll use this as proof you're correct, but really, it's sad how we can't even share viewpoints of the issue without you accusing me of siding with a terrorist group. Maybe we can try again another day.

[Infinite_limit]

Palestinian flags waving next to swastikas in France.

Peachy...
60 years later. Hitler is vindicated

[Shastafarian]

This is getting too tedious

False. Stop lying.Not lying


You openly said that you think my lack of condemnation can be equated with condoning Hamas.False. Stop Lying. I never equated this and if you took any of my comments to mean this that was your mistake in assuming such.

There is no "pointing out what I have and haven't said", because you already attached your own value to it. So again, you backtrack on your words. Don't make assumptions and you'll avoid this issue, ok?Again, pot meet kettle.




Yes? Do you really want me to hold the Israeli government to the same standards of ideals of a terrorist organization? It's obvious that Hamas is an abominable sect that wants to cause chaos.Ok I didn't realize as long as we call something a terrorist organization we don't have to talk about it anymore. Thanks for clarifying.




I think after about the 5th round you fired at meShow me these rounds please,
under the full assumption that I was not objectiveYou don't seem to be which is how this whole discussion started,
I decided to start pointing out your hypocrisy.haha I thought sinking to levels wasn't good (as you said earlier in this thread)

I made absolutely NO comments as to the character behind your arguments until you had fired quite a few in my direction.After you corrected me I said it was my mistake

So yes, I grew tired of you attempting to assail the person behind the comments rather than argue the situation based on merit alone.Again, please show me these numerous times.




http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Israeli_phosphorus-attack_Gaza_2009.jpeg/250px-Israeli_phosphorus-attack_Gaza_2009.jpeg

An Israeli white phosphorous round explodes over a Gaza residential area. 11 January 2009
Signaling. Sure. Quality rebuttal




Absolutely. As soon as you stop going after my own person in these discussions rather than the point at bear. It is tiresome and bothersome to deal with your tactics. What tactics? You seem to have taken offense to something I said but in reality I've been fairly even handed and willing to discuss actual topics

Go back and read over the pages and look at how many individual incursions you've made against me, rather than what I'm saying.I did. Did you? I found one instance where I stepped over a line and accused you of being blinded by hate.



Because you (unintentionally perhaps) cram your words with meaning and not so vague reproaches. And then when I comment on it, you state that you are "just making observations". Except much of the time it's contradicting what you said prior to that. See above.Just not true. And if you assign meaning to words of other people that seems to be your own doing, not mine.



I didn't ask him a hard and fast number. He was pretty calm about the entire thing. Just ascribed it to being in the region. He wasn't happy about it obviously, but he's a pretty laid back dude anyway.I'm happy he isn't worried.




Why not? You sweep the slaughter of thousands of innocents under the guise of "what has to be done". 2 people have died. Two. So yes, I don't doubt they're afraid, but I seriously doubt they have the same level of fear as the people in Gaza do when they hear air raid sirens.Again you're doing what you accuse me of doing. I never "swept the slaughter of thousands of innocents under the guise of 'what has to be done". Ever. You're assigning your own meaning to my relatively vague comments lamenting that I don't know what the solution is to this situation.



I'm pointing out that there are very real people posting about how this might be their last night on Earth from Gaza. They aren't getting dressed, going to school, or work. They're just trying to hang on to life in many places.No you used Twitter to show that Israelis aren't afraid. If I misinterpreted that, that's my fault but your words weren't very clear.




Right before you go back to saying, "Well, it has to be done and therefore it's justified." Not sure how you feel that's condemning of anything.Again, never said that.


And we're back to ad-hominems. I thought you said you were going to stop that?Not sure I agree since my statement is accurate. You compared being killed by rockets to being hit by lightning, further marginalizing those people who were killed by rockets.




Because they know they can get away with it. Because it's easier. Because Netanyahu isn't exactly a lover of the people of Gaza. Because might makes right in a large portion of the world still, and Israel knows it will continue to have US support almost completely independent of what they do short of nuking the entire strip.Unfortunately I agree it is easier and that's why they're doing it, along with the thought it will minimize Israeli solider casualties.




You started with the ad-hominems, but you accuse me of being emotional.I started it! haha

Alright. I admitted that I was upset about the *situation*. I'm objective enough to say that and recognize when I'm slightly compromised. That doesn't mean my arguments have to be laced with acid, however.All I said, after my initial mistake in labeling you hateful, was that you should calm down. I didn't mention anything about your emotions affecting this discussion.

As much as I "enjoy" this discussion I think it's time to get back on topic.

[Shastafarian]

Do you know what a question mark denotes? You accuse me of assumptions but it's really all you do.

[Shastafarian]

Instead of this back and forth do you care to comment on the tunnels built into Israel? What is their main purpose?

[Infinite_limit]

Instead of this back and forth do you care to comment on the tunnels built into Israel? What is their main purpose?
Escape plans for when Israel kicks up their chemical weaponry use

[DarrinS]

A cursory glance at any reputable website will reveal that they were used for food and other goods (as well as weapons). They were initially designed as smuggling tunnels, not tunnels designed for an invasion. Use some due diligence and research the situation instead of making unfounded accusations.

Lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOL...

Every time something flies over his head, he thinks he won!

Well you should be proud TSA, you have captured the interest of WC. Perhaps next your shtick can reel in a Nazi. Such success.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Look up


whooooosh

Just because I do not engage you on the level that you want does not mean that I do not see what your weak attempt at satire is, dipshit.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

A cursory glance at any reputable website will reveal that they were used for food and other goods (as well as weapons). They were initially designed as smuggling tunnels, not tunnels designed for an invasion. Use some due diligence and research the situation instead of making unfounded accusations.

The tunnels into Israel are for food and other goods? Who in Israel do you think they are trading with?

Hamas is at war with Israel and controls Gaza. There bylaws so to speak call for the destruction of Israel with the goal of installing themselves as the nation state for the region. They accept arms and funding from Iran and Sunni factions which they then use to build munitions factories which generate arms that they are using to attack Israel.

Now if the reprisals stopped do you really think Hamas would stop? Honestly do you think that?

[Cry Havoc]

The tunnels into Israel are for food and other goods? Who in Israel do you think they are trading with?

Hamas is at war with Israel and controls Gaza. There bylaws so to speak call for the destruction of Israel with the goal of installing themselves as the nation state for the region. They accept arms and funding from Iran and Sunni factions which they then use to build munitions factories which generate arms that they are using to attack Israel.

Now if the reprisals stopped do you really think Hamas would stop? Honestly do you think that?

That's true, specifically the tunnels there are likely offensive. I also have absolutely no problem with Israel caving them in with explosive or by any means they feel necessary. However, not ALL tunnels built near Gaza were for the purpose of war. A lot of them were made for goods like food, that's the point I was making.

[Shastafarian]

Why else build a vast network of tunnels if not to use them to invade Israel?



A cursory glance at any reputable website will reveal that they were used for food and other goods (as well as weapons). They were initially designed as smuggling tunnels, not tunnels designed for an invasion. Use some due diligence and research the situation instead of making unfounded accusations.


That's true, specifically the tunnels there are likely offensive. I also have absolutely no problem with Israel caving them in with explosive or by any means they feel necessary. However, not ALL tunnels built near Gaza were for the purpose of war. A lot of them were made for goods like food, that's the point I was making.

lol

[mingus]

Instead of this back and forth do you care to comment on the tunnels built into Israel? What is their main purpose?

A vast estimated $100 million dollar network to transport food. LOL.

He believes this and he believes that it is acceptable to let Hamas get away with equipping and stock piling themselves with missiles, rocket launches, etc. so long as they hide them in hospitals, schools, etc. The potentiality of that is worse than the civilian deaths happening. That's what he fails to understand.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's true, specifically the tunnels there are likely offensive. I also have absolutely no problem with Israel caving them in with explosive or by any means they feel necessary. However, not ALL tunnels built near Gaza were for the purpose of war. A lot of them were made for goods like food, that's the point I was making.

That is fine but Hamas is using guerilla tactics and backing off in the name of 'humanity' sounds just like the political rhetoric that we got regarding the Vietcong. I am sure that the routes used by the enemy through Laos brought food and medicine in as well but an approach measured in the media, the halls of congress and in the Oval office lost us that war.

I fully understand Israel's approach even if it displaces the civilian population of all of western Israel. Hamas is their enemy and hides amongst the populace. This is what you get.

If you back off then you still have a political player who will do nothing if not obstruct any peace process that does not include the destruction of the Israeli state all the while continuing to try and use guerrilla tactics against the state of Israel and its citizens.

If they are able to kill off the leaders and destroy Hamas' military capability then it is possible that the PLO, who are actually indigenous, to take control and then maybe we can get a 2 state solution. That status quo was untenable.

[DD]

I hate Israel but blow those dunecoons to hell. The world is an infinitely better place without Islam and its followers. They all need to go

[pgardn]

60 years later. Hitler is vindicated

Sure thing.

Nazis hate Jews.
Hamas hates Jews.

Vindication confirmation.

[DD]

And lol at the tunnels argument. it's pretty goddamn obvious what they're for...can't believe i agree with Fuzzy on something but his analogy and point were spot-on.

[DD]

Sure thing.

Nazis hate Jews.
Hamas hates Jews.

Vindication confirmation.

Nobody with a brain likes Jews...we tolerate them. And though they're inherently deviant and subversive, they are better than Muslims since dunies refuse to join the 21st century

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nobody with a brain likes Jews...we tolerate them. And though they're inherently deviant and subversive, they are better than Muslims since dunies refuse to join the 21st century

Not everyone looks at things as you do. I certainly do not. We get that you prefer to dumb things down into skin color and ethnicity to judge an individual but many of us think they are false categories utilized by the intellectually lazy.

[DD]

Not everyone looks at things as you do. I certainly do not. We get that you prefer to dumb things down into skin color and ethnicity to judge an individual but many of us think they are false categories utilized by the intellectually lazy.

Ok, did you get all the righteousness outta your system now...can we resume?

Ok then, back to Muslims being a shitstain on human existence

[pgardn]

Nobody with a brain likes Jews...we tolerate them. And though they're inherently deviant and subversive, they are better than Muslims since dunies refuse to join the 21st century

Inherently deviant and subversive...

Yeah. All the Jews I know have foot fetishes.
So they buy shoe stores and rub Christian feet.

Yep. They will rule the world some day because of this flaw.
The horror...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ok, did you get all the righteousness outta your system now...can we resume?

Ok then, back to Muslims being a shitstain on human existence

you think you are better than millions of people on the basis of something as oversimplified as skin color. you really think this line of thought is convincing?

can you really get more vain than this racial shit? it goes right to the core of what you identify yourself as just as much as it goes to what you identify others as.

self righteous indeed.

[Infinite_limit]

Ok, did you get all the righteousness outta your system now...can we resume?Ok then, back to Muslims being a shitstain on human existenceGutenmorgen. My perspective is Europeans are not taking a side because Mossad & Palestians because this is a taste of Europa setting up it's Gates of Vienna. Kurwa again

[DarrinS]

you think you are better than millions of people on the basis of something as oversimplified as skin color. you really think this line of thought is convincing?

can you really get more vain than this racial shit? it goes right to the core of what you identify yourself as just as much as it goes to what you identify others as.

self righteous indeed.


Islam isn't a race, tbh.

[Infinite_limit]

Islam isn't a race, tbh.
True

[Cry Havoc]

lol


haha I thought sinking to levels wasn't good (as you said earlier in this thread)

You know, it's funny. You were so quick to chastise me for "comparing" civilian deaths in war to lightning fatalities, and then just a couple of pages later you made the exact same type of comparison, except you compared those deaths to an Internet slapfight.

[Cry Havoc]

you think you are better than millions of people on the basis of something as oversimplified as skin color. you really think this line of thought is convincing?

can you really get more vain than this racial shit? it goes right to the core of what you identify yourself as just as much as it goes to what you identify others as.

self righteous indeed.

Why even respond to him? It does nothing to further the discussion with someone's insipid schtick.

[Shastafarian]

You know, it's funny. You were so quick to chastise me for "comparing" civilian deaths in war to lightning fatalities, and then just a couple of pages later you made the exact same type of comparison, except you compared those deaths to an Internet slapfight.

I'm sorry but I did no such thing. I thought your righteous indignation and talking down to another poster was funny considering you were talking out of your ass. I wasn't comparing deaths.

[DD]

Why even respond to him? It does nothing to further the discussion with someone's insipid schtick.

Comments from effeminate males are unwanted here. Skip your happy ass on down to a women's lib or gay rights thread where your kind belongs

[DD]

you think you are better than millions of people on the basis of something as oversimplified as skin color. you really think this line of thought is convincing?

can you really get more vain than this racial shit? it goes right to the core of what you identify yourself as just as much as it goes to what you identify others as.

self righteous indeed.

You brought skin color into this, dipshit...not me. I'm talking about a people that refuse to join the 21st century. All you're doing is throwing out a bunch of politically correct platitudes that have no basis in reality and just further serve to expose how utterly naive you are about the world.

Not all that lives is sacred. Some things need to die, some things become extinct, and certain tribes/peoples disappear because they couldn't adapt to modern times.

Islam doesn't translate to modern times. It gots to go.

[DD]

Your next comment will be some uppity cuntiness like "Who are you/we to decide who has to go and who stays?!!:cry"

and it's quite simple, really...let Social Darwinism run its course. Stop enabling and trying to empower the weak and inferior people of this planet--it only holds us all back. Embrace the upwardly mobile and discard those who let antiquated ideals govern their every facet of life. Kill them all.

[TDMVPDPOY]

apparenly 1 jew life is more important then a ethnic race according to what we have watch so far

those tunnels into israel, whose to say there are clowns in israel doing trade with gaza ppl?

jews bomb shit out of schools, churches, hospitals, yet hasnt reveal any photos or proof these buildings are housing military weapons...

there defense would be, it is our right according to the bible, fck the bible a cuck story with made up characters...preach bullshit but practiced vice versa

these fkn clowns are more arrogant then americans, at leasts american govt hold true to their word when they want ceasefires and shit, these clowns welch on any given opportunity

[pgardn]

Media was part of the OP's original post:


So. Let us get a view into Hamas, the Military Wing talks with the Political Wing.

1. What was being done about finding out finding out who was a part of the rogue group that kidnapped and killed the 3 teenagers. And then advertising this too the Israelis, justice is being pursued, since they surely knew the Israeli response would be massive. Anyone find anything?

2. An explanation from Hamas concerning their prior claim that concrete was essential for buildings required to house people. Anyone find a interview or a press release from the political wing?

3. Why the 72 hr truce was broken, as it would have allowed discussions to take place with input from the leaders living abroad. These discussions would surely include exactly what the goals were, since the military capabilities of Hamas were being severely eroded. And maybe a little discussion on the suffering of the population. Anyone have some press on this from the political wing living abroad.

Hamas was democratically elected in a Gaza. So we should have some insight into the above. So many more questions. We get terse, insightful, contradictory statements from Israel concerning their objectives, so how about the democratically elected Hamas.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Media was part of the OP's original post:


So. Let us get a view into Hamas, the Military Wing talks with the Political Wing.

1. What was being done about finding out finding out who was a part of the rogue group that kidnapped and killed the 3 teenagers. And then advertising this too the Israelis, justice is being pursued, since they surely knew the Israeli response would be massive. Anyone find anything?

2. An explanation from Hamas concerning their prior claim that concrete was essential for buildings required to house people. Anyone find a interview or a press release from the political wing?

3. Why the 72 hr truce was broken, as it would have allowed discussions to take place with input from the leaders living abroad. These discussions would surely include exactly what the goals were, since the military capabilities of Hamas were being severely eroded. And maybe a little discussion on the suffering of the population. Anyone have some press on this from the political wing living abroad.

Hamas was democratically elected in a Gaza. So we should have some insight into the above. So many more questions. We get terse, insightful, contradictory statements from Israel concerning their objectives, so how about the democratically elected Hamas.

3 dead jews they blame it on hamas who had yet to make claim of responsibility

1 dead soldier, jews say he was kidnapped...hamas has yet said anything about it

at the end of the day, its a jews word against yours, who is the general public going to believe when the mutts controlling media are only reporting one side of the story

[pgardn]

apparenly 1 jew life is more important then a ethnic race according to what we have watch so far

those tunnels into israel, whose to say there are clowns in israel doing trade with gaza ppl?

jews bomb shit out of schools, churches, hospitals, yet hasnt reveal any photos or proof these buildings are housing military weapons...

there defense would be, it is our right according to the bible, fck the bible a cuck story with made up characters...preach bullshit but practiced vice versa

these fkn clowns are more arrogant then americans, at leasts american govt hold true to their word when they want ceasefires and shit, these clowns welch on any given opportunity

The toddler again walks into the middle of a complex movie and asks what's happened...


http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/01/war-in-gaza-the-controversial-un-agency-that-found-rockets-in-its-schools/?tid=hp_mm&hpid=z3

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/16/netanyahu-criticised-by-cabinet-members-over-gaza-crisis-israel

Will you read anything, Al jazz, anything?

[pgardn]

3 dead jews they blame it on hamas who had yet to make claim of responsibility

1 dead soldier, jews say he was kidnapped...hamas has yet said anything about it

at the end of the day, its a jews word against yours, who is the general public going to believe when the mutts controlling media are only reporting one side of the story

Then how in Gods name do you come up with your crap?
Are you on the ground in place and imbedded?

[pgardn]

Media was part of the OP's original post:


So. Let us get a view into Hamas, the Military Wing talks with the Political Wing.

1. What was being done about finding out finding out who was a part of the rogue group that kidnapped and killed the 3 teenagers. And then advertising this too the Israelis, justice is being pursued, since they surely knew the Israeli response would be massive. Anyone find anything?

2. An explanation from Hamas concerning their prior claim that concrete was essential for buildings required to house people. Anyone find a interview or a press release from the political wing?

3. Why the 72 hr truce was broken, as it would have allowed discussions to take place with input from the leaders living abroad. These discussions would surely include exactly what the goals were, since the military capabilities of Hamas were being severely eroded. And maybe a little discussion on the suffering of the population. Anyone have some press on this from the political wing living abroad.

Hamas was democratically elected in a Gaza. So we should have some insight into the above. So many more questions. We get terse, insightful, contradictory statements from Israel concerning their objectives, so how about the democratically elected Hamas.

[Shastafarian]

It seems like Hamas is disjointed in its claims on why the 72 hour ceasefire broke down, other than to blame Israel for firing first. As someone who only follows the news it seems likely Israel found a tunnel where militants were currently residing OR militants knew which tunnel Israel was about to decommission and moved to that location. A suicide bomber blew himself up and killed 2 soldiers. One soldier was likely taken captive and either was already dead when captured, executed to allow militants ease in travel during bombardment, or was killed by his own country's bombardment. Hamas claims that either the first or last of those possibilities occurred clearly to absolve themselves of any culpability in executing a prisoner of war. I doubt they know what happened and that's why their comments aren't necessarily consistent. Also that's why we haven't heard more on it...other than "Israel fired first".

[TDMVPDPOY]

israel calls itself a democratic society, yet how come they dont pay out compensation to the victims are are kick off their land to build settlements?...

the methods used by these jewtards is equivalent to a fkn commie with land reforms, wont accept deal, no problem we dig a hole and put u in it

israels version of compensation...we send a rocket after displacing you

[TDMVPDPOY]

It seems like Hamas is disjointed in its claims on why the 72 hour ceasefire broke down, other than to blame Israel for firing first. As someone who only follows the news it seems likely Israel found a tunnel where militants were currently residing OR militants knew which tunnel Israel was about to decommission and moved to that location. A suicide bomber blew himself up and killed 2 soldiers. One soldier was likely taken captive and either was already dead when captured, executed to allow militants ease in travel during bombardment, or was killed by his own country's bombardment. Hamas claims that either the first or last of those possibilities occurred clearly to absolve themselves of any culpability in executing a prisoner of war. I doubt they know what happened and that's why their comments aren't necessarily consistent. Also that's why we haven't heard more on it...other than "Israel fired first".

bs pow my ass, jews mission with all intent is to go in not only destroy tunnels but to take out any resistance, so ur telling me you should stand still to allow a jew shooting at you but ur not allowed to shoot back? fck is this

[pgardn]

bs pow my ass, jews mission with all intent is to go in not only destroy tunnels but to take out any resistance, so ur telling me you should stand still to allow a jew shooting at you but ur not allowed to shoot back? fck is this

How do you know this?

The media can't be trusted.

So you think people on this board are going to trust a decapitated Australian using his spleen to ?think?

[pgardn]

It seems like Hamas is disjointed in its claims on why the 72 hour ceasefire broke down, other than to blame Israel for firing first. As someone who only follows the news it seems likely Israel found a tunnel where militants were currently residing OR militants knew which tunnel Israel was about to decommission and moved to that location. A suicide bomber blew himself up and killed 2 soldiers. One soldier was likely taken captive and either was already dead when captured, executed to allow militants ease in travel during bombardment, or was killed by his own country's bombardment. Hamas claims that either the first or last of those possibilities occurred clearly to absolve themselves of any culpability in executing a prisoner of war. I doubt they know what happened and that's why their comments aren't necessarily consistent. Also that's why we haven't heard more on it...other than "Israel fired first".

I can't find anything either. There are a number of leaders outside Gaza but we get no insight.

[TDMVPDPOY]

How do you know this?

The media can't be trusted.

So you think people on this board are going to trust a decapitated Australian using his spleen to ?think?

well u want a ceasefire, yet you go put troops on the ground and walk into gaza...thats not a definition of a ceasefire

[Infinite_limit]

Currently speaking ty Polish brothers

[Cry Havoc]

I'm sorry but I did no such thing. I thought your righteous indignation and talking down to another poster was funny considering you were talking out of your ass. I wasn't comparing deaths.

No, just comparing a war that's killed thousands of people, considering that's the topic of conversation. But keep up the insults, they make your case look so much stronger.

[Cry Havoc]

mondoweiss.net/2014/08/ceasefire-against-evidence.html

I don't necessarily agree with everything this article says, but it does lend credence to the idea that neither side has their facts straight.

[Cry Havoc]

Comments from effeminate males are unwanted here. Skip your happy ass on down to a women's lib or gay rights thread where your kind belongs

Blah blah blah insults only high schoolers think make them edgy blah

Have you ever thought of using a schtick that hasn't been around Spurstalk since 2008?

[Shastafarian]

No, just comparing a war that's killed thousands of people, considering that's the topic of conversation. But keep up the insults, they make your case look so much stronger.

It's not comparing. You really misinterpret a lot. I thought it was funny how high and mighty you were about knowing about the tunnels. It turned out you were wrong (something you don't seem to like to admit). However, you had already talked down to someone = funny. My quotes and "lol" comment had nothing to do with my thoughts on the war. My insult of you talking out of your ass was exactly that. You told someone to do more research on the subject when you should have taken your own advice. You just can't admit when you're wrong.

[DD]

Blah blah blah insults only high schoolers think make them edgy blah

Have you ever thought of using a schtick that hasn't been around Spurstalk since 2008?

I have to ask my girlfriend for permission first. You know how it is.

[Cry Havoc]

I have to ask my girlfriend for permission first. You know how it is.

Keep grinding that axe, man, the edge really makes you a cool dude.

[Cry Havoc]

It's not comparing. You really misinterpret a lot. I thought it was funny how high and mighty you were about knowing about the tunnels. It turned out you were wrong (something you don't seem to like to admit). However, you had already talked down to someone = funny. My quotes and "lol" comment had nothing to do with my thoughts on the war. My insult of you talking out of your ass was exactly that. You told someone to do more research on the subject when you should have taken your own advice. You just can't admit when you're wrong.

I already admitted that my post was off target and misinterpreted, and that I didn't qualify it like I should have. Mistakes happen. Human nature. I own up to it.

But continue the ad hominems even when they're completely false.

[pgardn]

well u want a ceasefire, yet you go put troops on the ground and walk into gaza...thats not a definition of a ceasefire

How do you know this happened?

The media is all lies, remember?

Are you there in Gaza?

[pgardn]

Media was part of the OP's original post:


So. Let us get a view into Hamas, the Military Wing talks with the Political Wing.

1. What was being done about finding out finding out who was a part of the rogue group that kidnapped and killed the 3 teenagers. And then advertising this too the Israelis, justice is being pursued, since they surely knew the Israeli response would be massive. Anyone find anything?

2. An explanation from Hamas concerning their prior claim that concrete was essential for buildings required to house people. Anyone find a interview or a press release from the political wing?

3. Why the 72 hr truce was broken, as it would have allowed discussions to take place with input from the leaders living abroad. These discussions would surely include exactly what the goals were, since the military capabilities of Hamas were being severely eroded. And maybe a little discussion on the suffering of the population. Anyone have some press on this from the political wing living abroad.

Hamas was democratically elected in a Gaza. So we should have some insight into the above. So many more questions. We get terse, insightful, contradictory statements from Israel concerning their objectives, so how about the democratically elected Hamas.

[Shastafarian]

I already admitted that my post was off target and misinterpreted, and that I didn't qualify it like I should have. Mistakes happen. Human nature. I own up to it.

But continue the ad hominems even when they're completely false.You didn't "admit" anything really. You agreed with someone clarifying what the tunnel system has been built for. And at the end you tried to cover yourself by saying "that was the point I was trying to make". My problem with your posts is there is an arrogance and excitability to them that doesn't seem to register with you. "Do a little research..." lol

Instead of being a douche (ad hominem oh noeeessss) you could have simply said "the tunnel network began mostly into Egypt for commercial reasons but in the past 10 years there has been a huge increase in tunnels going into Israel". Only I have a suspicion you didn't know that or didn't care to explain it. Either way you're a douche.

Moving on...

[Shastafarian]

Pgardn your second point I think is the most interesting to inquire on. I haven't heard any media ask Hamas reps about this but it's very clear a large amount of the building materials going into Gaza were being used to build this offensive tunnel system.

Edit: And the importance grows with the demands of the end of the blockade of Gaza. Why would Israel agree to ending a blockade when the "governmental" powers in Gaza use raw materials for terrorist operations? It's a huge stumbling block in this whole situation and I don't see Israel agreeing to it.

[DD]

Keep grinding that axe, man, the edge really makes you a cool dude.

Lemme learn you something ol' buddy...my disdain of minorities is no worse than your incessant soft-serve liberal takes that far precede any 2008 schticks.

And yes, I'm cool by virtue of worldly experience. You may hate or disagree with what i say, but rest assured i havent spent my entire existence in a chicago suburb playing final fantasy and fiddling with my pud.

[Cry Havoc]

sometimes I wear my Letterman jacket to sleep and night and talk to myself about how people surely remember the days when I was cool.

[Cry Havoc]

You didn't "admit" anything really. You agreed with someone clarifying what the tunnel system has been built for. And at the end you tried to cover yourself by saying "that was the point I was trying to make". My problem with your posts is there is an arrogance and excitability to them that doesn't seem to register with you. "Do a little research..." lol

Instead of being a douche (ad hominem oh noeeessss) you could have simply said "the tunnel network began mostly into Egypt for commercial reasons but in the past 10 years there has been a huge increase in tunnels going into Israel". Only I have a suspicion you didn't know that or didn't care to explain it. Either way you're a douche.

Moving on...

I also said I agree with blowing up the tunnels under Israel. For someone who wants to get back on topic you seem awfully invested in me as a person. It's sad, considering we've always gotten along in the past on this site.

[DD]

Changing quotes is telling me.

[Shastafarian]

I also said I agree with blowing up the tunnels under Israel. For someone who wants to get back on topic you seem awfully invested in me as a person. It's sad, considering we've always gotten along in the past on this site.
I guess we should stick to talking basketball

[Cry Havoc]

Changing quotes is telling me.

And your schtick that's been parroted by about 85% of the trolls on this site is just devastating. :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

I have to ask my girlfriend for permission first. You know how it is.
You got the link to that thread where he signs his girlfriend up to defend him?

[pgardn]

Pgardn your second point I think is the most interesting to inquire on. I haven't heard any media ask Hamas reps about this but it's very clear a large amount of the building materials going into Gaza were being used to build this offensive tunnel system.

Edit: And the importance grows with the demands of the end of the blockade of Gaza. Why would Israel agree to ending a blockade when the "governmental" powers in Gaza use raw materials for terrorist operations? It's a huge stumbling block in this whole situation and I don't see Israel agreeing to it.

If Gaza wants to have any chance to flourish, they are going to have to allow observers access to everything in Gaza. No weapons allowed. Then Israel has to take yet another chance they won't have missiles lobbed on them, or kids with explosive backpacks entering buses full of tourists. I can't see any Israeli, except the extremists (like DD, Very_Limited, retarded Aussie), not wanting Gaza to flourish economically without a need for weapons. This entire area could be full of resorts and tourism. It's just maddening to look at the possible economic prospects and realize the extremists on both sides are in the drivers seat now.

The entire populations of both sides have shifted towards continuing conflict. Israel understands that their continuing presence and vigilance has produced generations of extremists. The democratically elected Hamas wants to fight to eternity.

[pgardn]

You got the link to that thread where he signs his girlfriend up to defend him?

Of course he does, Nazis keep meticulous records.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Of course he does, Nazis keep meticulous records.

then what do u call the bible clown?

[DD]

You got the link to that thread where he signs his girlfriend up to defend him?

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171017&page=8

Somewhere in this thread i believe. The worst part? He called up the wife to defend him from Calf_Tats, then CuckingFunt of all people got in a catfight with her and ran her off. He'll say something like "that was five years ago man!," but as we all can see he's still the same beta-male cuckold he's always been. No lessons learned.

[DD]

Of course he does, Nazis keep meticulous records.
I have records of me eviscerating you in many a thread too--and you have the same tactic every time you lose your shit. Rather than admit to your mistakes, you double-down on the stupidity and end up looking like more of an ass.

I'll give you an example to jog your memory...remember the beer hall putsch of 1923 that you swore happened in 1932? Remember your comeback when you got cock-slapped across the face with the facts? "Well, there was lots of putsches, not just that one!" To be fair, I think it was m>s who bent you over and spackled your insides on det one.

There's so many more, and for those that are interested in his bloopers just look up any of his PoFo or main forum takes. It's almost painful to watch at times. You're just a very stupid individual.

[pgardn]

I have records of me eviscerating you in many a thread too--and you have the same tactic every time you lose your shit. Rather than admit to your mistakes, you double-down on the stupidity and end up looking like more of an ass.

I'll give you an example to jog your memory...remember the beer hall putsch of 1923 that you swore happened in 1932? Remember your comeback when you got cock-slapped across the face with the facts? "Well, there was lots of putsches, not just that one!" To be fair, I think it was m>s (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=27774) who bent you over and spackled your insides on det one.

There's so many more, and for those that are interested in his bloopers just look up any of his PoFo or main forum takes. It's almost painful to watch at times. You're just a very stupid individual.

Yeah you both cock slap. Each other, more like a Nazi stroke and poke.
You really want nothing to do with me ya little bitch
Your takes are so loaded with propaganda and lies.
The board knows this ya little pale nazi faggot.

I remember when you had your touching, when I found Hitler moment with another poster though.
It was, hilarious... The moment it hit you, it all become so clear... Your Eureka moment on becoming a Nazi.

[pgardn]

then what do u call the bible clown?

What?

[Th'Pusher]

Lemme learn you something ol' buddy...my disdain of minorities is no worse than your incessant soft-serve liberal takes that far precede any 2008 schticks.

And yes, I'm cool by virtue of worldly experience. You may hate or disagree with what i say, but rest assured i havent spent my entire existence in a chicago suburb playing final fantasy and fiddling with my pud.

Remember when you made a New Years resolution to be less racist in your posts? :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171017&page=8

Somewhere in this thread i believe. The worst part? He called up the wife to defend him from Calf_Tats, then CuckingFunt of all people got in a catfight with her and ran her off. He'll say something like "that was five years ago man!," but as we all can see he's still the same beta-male cuckold he's always been. No lessons learned.
Mein nigga.

[DD]

Yeah you both cock slap. Each other, more like a Nazi stroke and poke.
You really want nothing to do with me ya little bitch
Your takes are so loaded with propaganda and lies.
The board knows this ya little pale nazi faggot.

I remember when you had your touching, when I found Hitler moment with another poster though.
It was, hilarious... The moment it hit you, it all become so clear... Your Eureka moment on becoming a Nazi.

Well, on this here forum I've embarrassed you many a time...you're welcome to post any link to an argument with me that had a positive result for you. Seriously, happy hunting. In real life, I would absolutely want nothing to do with you. I'd be embarrassed to know or be seen in public with you. I know your type.

You were an indoor kid with very few friends, probably a late bloomer in college, fell in love with the first woman who'd look at you, and are now stuck in a miserable marriage--while you look at young scros like myself traveling the world, making bank, and meeting different cultures that you've only read about.

I put the O/U at another 6.5 years before you cue up some Neil Young, down a cheap bottle of scotch, and put a 12 gauge in your mouth*




*assuming firearms will still be available at that point after another 5+years of betamale tears on the issue

[DD]

Remember when you made a New Years resolution to be less racist in your posts? :lol

Remember when you took that post seriously?:lol

[pgardn]

Well, on this here forum I've embarrassed you many a time...you're welcome to post any link to an argument with me that had a positive result for you. Seriously, happy hunting. In real life, I would absolutely want nothing to do with you. I'd be embarrassed to know or be seen in public with you. I know your type.

You were an indoor kid with very few friends, probably a late bloomer in college, fell in love with the first woman who'd look at you, and are now stuck in a miserable marriage--while you look at young scros like myself traveling the world, making bank, and meeting different cultures that you've only read about.

I put the O/U at another 6.5 years before you cue up some Neil Young, down a cheap bottle of scotch, and put a 12 gauge in your mouth.

Dr. Phil the Nazi... and manly young scro...

Keep going.
Please.

[DD]

Dr. Phil the Nazi... and manly young scro...

Keep going.
Please.
If you ask nicely I'll let you live vicariously through me and my accomplishments.

[Th'Pusher]

Remember when you took that post seriously?:lol
Remember the old, I was just trolling schtick? :lol

[Th'Pusher]

If you ask nicely I'll let you live vicariously through me and my accomplishments.

Lol you're an intervenious drug using degenerate gambling racist who's a medic in the world's asshole.

:lol

[pgardn]

If you ask nicely I'll let you live vicariously through me and my accomplishments.

Please.

The forum awaits.

I would really like a tale that leads into your come to Jesus moment with Hitler.
I really would. Then we can discuss bio-physics, which is more my thing.
You first, go.

[DD]

Lol you're an intervenious drug using degenerate gambling racist who's a medic in the world's asshole.

:lol

:lolCan't gamble or use drugs out here, and haven't spiked up with the goods in 5 years. Still, I make more than you, am better looking, and just signed another beautiful contract that'll have me purchasing your foreclosed house in no time. Doesn't that suck?

[DD]

Then we can discuss bio-physics, which is more my thing.


and you've done/accomplished what with your biophysics knowledge?:lmao

Biophysics major working as an adjunct professor making 27K:rollin

[m>s]

ya little pale nazi faggot

racist

[pgardn]

and you've done/accomplished what with your biophysics knowledge?:lmao

Biophysics major working as an adjunct professor making 27K:rollin

No actually.

I am a translator. A go between Biology types and Physics types working on a new type of Flow machine for hospitals. Very exciting as progress is being made. But it's possible we are behind. So we are sort of in the same business. Sort of...

You see drug addicts, the overweight, AIDS ridden , diabetics, and you keep them alive. Even though they disgust you. Their lack of self control and self respect drives you crazy. You see all the waste of money on helping these degenerates that do nothing to help themselves.

So now please continue the story so I might see how this lead you to Hitler.

[m>s]

scro

your use of my word is flattering. if you stick around long enough you'll find yourself digesting the red pill.

[m>s]

You see drug addicts, the overweight, AIDS ridden , diabetics, and you keep them alive. Even though they disgust you. Their lack of self control and self respect drives you crazy. You see all the waste of money on helping these degenerates that do nothing to help themselves.

this guy is actually a national socialist and doesn't even know it. i couldn't have said it better myself...this is exactly what Hitler would have said he even used his word "degeneracy."

[pgardn]

your use of my word is flattering. if you stick around long enough you'll find yourself digesting the red pill.

So you are a scrotum without balls...
How unfulfilling. Pun intended.

[pgardn]

this guy is actually a national socialist and doesn't even know it. i couldn't have said it better myself...this is exactly what Hitler would have said he even used his word "degeneracy."

Nah ya see I guessing about your Nazi buddy.
I may have nailed it.

[DD]

No actually.

I am a translator. A go between Biology types and Physics types working on a new type of Flow machine for hospitals. Very exciting as progress is being made. But it's possible we are behind. So we are sort of in the same business. Sort of...

You see drug addicts, the overweight, AIDS ridden , diabetics, and you keep them alive. Even though they disgust you. Their lack of self control and self respect drives you crazy. You see all the waste of money on helping these degenerates that do nothing to help themselves.

So now please continue the story so I might see how this lead you to Hitler.

Sounds like very infrequent, prn work.

As for me, I'm just following orders. The day they tell me to give those same people a bolus of Potassium I'll enthusiastically oblige

[m>s]

Nah ya see I guessing about your Nazi buddy.
I may have nailed it.
it's ok it'll get easier in time

[Shastafarian]

So you are a scrotum without balls...
How unfulfilling. Pun intended.

:lol

[pgardn]

Sounds like very infrequent, prn work.

As for me, I'm just following orders. The day they tell me to give those same people a bolus of Potassium I'll enthusiastically oblige

Its a whole bunch of work to completion, followed by the next task which will involve some research. During both phases there can be too much traveling. That's hard.

So after seeing all these people what led you so easily to the truth? Did it occur to you that their miserable condition might not be of their own doing? Or this really does not matter because they are a drag on society?

[Th'Pusher]

:lolCan't gamble or use drugs out here, and haven't spiked up with the goods in 5 years. Still, I make more than you, am better looking, and just signed another beautiful contract that'll have me purchasing your foreclosed house in no time. Doesn't that suck?
I know what gigs like yours pay. It's a daily rate. You may make a little more than me, but it ain't much and I don't have to live in the devil's asshole. And :lol at better looking. You fuck prostitutes on backpage.

[Shastafarian]

What do you call a person who flunks out of med school?






EMT supervisor

[Cry Havoc]

You got the link to that thread where he signs his girlfriend up to defend him?

The fuck I did. That woman was fucking crazy. :lol hence why I got the hell out of Dodge.

[DD]

I know what gigs like yours pay. It's a daily rate. You may make a little more than me, but it ain't much and I don't have to live in the devil's asshole. And :lol at better looking. You fuck prostitutes on backpage.

:loland you fuck the same old hag who puts out when she feels like it, and who will soon take half your money. and lol @daily rate--which company are you talking about--seriously, you act like you know about this or who I work for--so now I'm calling you on your shit. You'll backpedal out of this, though.

"may make a little more than me." :lmao Don't even try to front...you're a liberal pussy, so I'd love to hear what it is you do that has you making any good money. If you were making decent money you wouldn't be voting democrat.

Everything bout me trumps everything about you. Btw, working in AFG has been the easiest money I've ever made. Sure, it takes a while to get used to the heat, but other than that it's no biggie if you take care of yourself.

[DD]

What do you call a person who flunks out of med school?






EMT supervisor

You completely fucked that joke up and/or killed it trying to make your own version.

[Shastafarian]

You completely fucked that joke up and/or killed it trying to make your own version.

http://theclubscenex.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/salty_logo_color_bigger.jpg

[DD]

Its a whole bunch of work to completion, followed by the next task which will involve some research. During both phases there can be too much traveling. That's hard.

So after seeing all these people what led you so easily to the truth? Did it occur to you that their miserable condition might not be of their own doing? Or this really does not matter because they are a drag on society?
What's the project? Would love to look into the details

[DD]

i'd go the recycled meme route too if my joke just fell flat

cue another in 3...2...1...

[Shastafarian]

I don't think it fell flat. I think you just didn't like it because it's true. I also think it's funny a guy who is in a profession that doesn't require education past high school is giving people shit who clearly have advanced degrees.

[Shastafarian]

Is your supervisor a med-school dropout?

[TheSanityAnnex]

The fuck I did. That woman was fucking crazy. :lol hence why I got the hell out of Dodge.
This thread is already derailed so what happened? Was she your fiancé?

[Shastafarian]

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/03/world/meast/mideast-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Interesting development after more civilians were killed in/near an UN facility. Watch the video at that link and there are pretty harsh words from the US rep.


The United States, in a statement issued by the State Department, said it was "appalled."
"We once again stress that Israel must do more to meet its own standards and avoid civilian casualties," spokeswoman Jen Psaki said in a written statement. "The suspicion that militants are operating nearby does not justify strikes that put at risk the lives of so many innocent civilians."

[DD]

I don't think it fell flat. I think you just didn't like it because it's true. I also think it's funny a guy who is in a profession that doesn't require education past high school is giving people shit who clearly have advanced degrees.

No, it fell flat, just own it--want me to tell the original joke that was made by someone much smarter and funnier than you? Lemme know.

:lolYes, I laugh at people who have advanced degrees and are making less than half of what I make. Hell, I still laugh at the money wasted on MY BA, and that's not even an advanced one.

If I could go back and redo anything it would be to save the bread and not get that first bachelors. Perfecting a trade (critical care and flight medicine) and having connections>>>>having a Master's in Philosophy and making pennies

[DD]

Is your supervisor a med-school dropout?

You're still going with the "EMT's are med-school dropouts!:madrun" joke? :lolCut your losses already

[Shastafarian]

No, it fell flat, just own it--want me to tell the original joke that was made by someone much smarter and funnier than you? Lemme know.Yeah go for it


:lolYes, I laugh at people who have advanced degrees and are making less than half of what I make. I sincerely doubt they make less than half what you make.

Hell, I still laugh at the money wasted on MY BA, and that's not even an advanced one.University of Phoenix?


If I could go back and redo anything it would be to save the bread and not get that first bachelors. Perfecting a trade (critical care and flight medicine) and having connections>>>>having a Master's in Philosophy and making penniesPerfecting eh? Are you a supervisor?

How about this, since you're so awesome: Why don't you show your posts to your supervisors? See what happens.

[Shastafarian]

You're still going with the "EMT's are med-school dropouts!:madrun" joke? :lolCut your losses already

Is that a yes?

[Cry Havoc]

This thread is already derailed so what happened? Was she your fiancé?

Yuuuup. Stupid enough of me to involve myself with crazy, but hey if you care about someone, sometimes you take risks to try to make them happy.

Fact is, she was the worst thing that ever happened to me. Completely psychotic. Borderline personality disorder to a T. Manipulative. Tossed out ultimatums like they're candy. So I gave her one of my own, told her if she didn't get help, I was gone. She didn't.

I bolted. Told her I was leaving. She slammed a bottle of downers. I made sure she didn't off herself, and then got the fuck out. The fuck if I'm going to stick around when you use attempted suicide as a means of keeping me around.

Stupidest thing I've ever done, man, sticking around for her health as long as I did. Haha. You live and learn. I feel bad for whoever tries to pick up where I left off.

[Cry Havoc]

No, it fell flat, just own it--want me to tell the original joke that was made by someone much smarter and funnier than you? Lemme know.

:lolYes, I laugh at people who have advanced degrees and are making less than half of what I make. Hell, I still laugh at the money wasted on MY BA, and that's not even an advanced one.

If I could go back and redo anything it would be to save the bread and not get that first bachelors. Perfecting a trade (critical care and flight medicine) and having connections>>>>having a Master's in Philosophy and making pennies

I'd rather make 80k and be happy with what I'm doing than 300k and hate my job.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Yuuuup. Stupid enough of me to involve myself with crazy, but hey if you care about someone, sometimes you take risks to try to make them happy.

Fact is, she was the worst thing that ever happened to me. Completely psychotic. Borderline personality disorder to a T. Manipulative. Tossed out ultimatums like they're candy. So I gave her one of my own, told her if she didn't get help, I was gone. She didn't.

I bolted. Told her I was leaving. She slammed a bottle of downers. I made sure she didn't off herself, and then got the fuck out. The fuck if I'm going to stick around when you use attempted suicide as a means of keeping me around.

Stupidest thing I've ever done, man, sticking around for her health as long as I did. Haha. You live and learn. I feel bad for whoever tries to pick up where I left off.
Very un-beta thing of you to do. Glad you're outta that relationship.

[DD]

Yeah go for it

What do you call a doctor who got C's in medschool? A Doctor.

You went a completely different direction to crowbar a joke that didn't fit--and even then, the answer to your stupid joke would be nurses, since they fail out much more often than medics do. There's a reason med schools are hesitant to let them in--because they've never operated with any autonomy in their lives. Now do you see how unfunny and try-hard that was? Just say yes, it'll be easier.

I sincerely doubt they make less than half what you make.

If they make over 60K, you're right...but I know for a fact most liberals on this site are ashamed to post what they do for a reason. Look at pgardn, for example. He referenced some project that he may have heard about or was a consultant on for a few days--but he's not making any real money on that.

University of Phoenix?

herp-derp, so funny and original! University of Maryland--which I can safely say is a better academic institution than whatever school begrudgingly granted you admission.

Perfecting eh? Are you a supervisor?

You're really keen on this supervisor schtick, aren't you?

How about this, since you're so awesome: Why don't you show your posts to your supervisors? See what happens.

Men higher than them have access to everything I post here. They can take a screenshot of what I'm doing anytime they like, yet here I still stand making an ass out of you

Anything else?

[DD]

I'd rather make 80k and be happy with what I'm doing than 300k and hate my job.

I love my job, never had it easier--actually kicking myself for not doing this several years ago. I also wish I made 300K:lol

[DD]

Yuuuup. Stupid enough of me to involve myself with crazy, but hey if you care about someone, sometimes you take risks to try to make them happy.

Fact is, she was the worst thing that ever happened to me. Completely psychotic. Borderline personality disorder to a T. Manipulative. Tossed out ultimatums like they're candy. So I gave her one of my own, told her if she didn't get help, I was gone. She didn't.

I bolted. Told her I was leaving. She slammed a bottle of downers. I made sure she didn't off herself, and then got the fuck out. The fuck if I'm going to stick around when you use attempted suicide as a means of keeping me around.

Stupidest thing I've ever done, man, sticking around for her health as long as I did. Haha. You live and learn. I feel bad for whoever tries to pick up where I left off.

Still stay in contact?

j/k:lol

[Cry Havoc]

Very un-beta thing of you to do. Glad you're outta that relationship.

Me too. Yeah I put my head down over a lot of shit, but I was seriously worried about her life. You make concessions and convince yourself it's for the greater good. But at some point that has to stop. Worst days of my life wondering what she was going to have a breakdown over next.

I'm with a non crazy chick now, and it's fucking awesome. She's also hotter than the last. Upgrades are fun. :tu

[Cry Havoc]

Still stay in contact?

j/k:lol

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgk0uw0Eao1qgm5klo1_500.png

[Shastafarian]

What do you call a doctor who got C's in medschool? A Doctor.lol that's the joke you were talking about? See my joke was about flunking out. While it's not as funny as the joke about C's getting degrees, it's a different punchline.


You went a completely different direction to crowbar a joke that didn't fitIt does fit. EMTs are basically nurses that don't have to go to nursing school. So it only makes sense a doctor that can't finish their medical degree would oversee those people


If they make over 60K, you're right...but I know for a fact most liberals on this site are ashamed to post what they do for a reason. Look at pgardn, for example. He referenced some project that he may have heard about or was a consultant on for a few days--but he's not making any real money on that.You know these things for a fact? Ok then I know for a fact you don't make $120,000/yr.



herp-derp, so funny and original! Thanks!

University of Maryland--which I can safely say is a better academic institution than whatever school begrudgingly granted you admission.Unfortunately you're wrong. Washington University in St. Louis is consistently ranked above the University of Maryland. Sorry.



You're really keen on this supervisor schtick, aren't you? Well you keep dodging it so yeah.



Men higher than them have access to everything I post here. They can take a screenshot of what I'm doing anytime they like, yet here I still stand making an ass out of youWhat does this mean, "men higher than them"?

[Shastafarian]

Back on topic:

Israel has admitted the soldier they initially reported as being captured was killed in the suicide attack that also killed two other soldiers. Unfortunately I must admit this seems nefarious in the sense they used the capture itself as justification for furthered hammering of Gaza. I still think the ceasefire ultimately broke because of Hamas but this doesn't look good. I truly wish a more moderate govt had been elected in Israel.

[DD]

lol that's the joke you were talking about? See my joke was about flunking out. While it's not as funny as the joke about C's getting degrees, it's a different punchline.

It does fit. EMTs are basically nurses that don't have to go to nursing school. So it only makes sense a doctor that can't finish their medical degree would oversee those people

You know these things for a fact? Ok then I know for a fact you don't make $120,000/yr.


Thanks!
Unfortunately you're wrong. Washington University in St. Louis is consistently ranked above the University of Maryland. Sorry.


Well you keep dodging it so yeah.


What does this mean, "men higher than them"?

You are stupid beyond belief. Medics and Nurses are two completely different HCP's and neither require a 4-year degree. Also I explained to you the rationale behind the RN-med-school logic but you conveniently left that part out of my quote--the ONLY omission you made of my entire quote--which is telling. It says you recognize you were wrong. On to the next thing...

"You know these things for a fact?" You or anyone else is welcome to provide evidence to the contrary. I've never hid my profession, unlike others, and it's common knowledge that the very least an expat medic will make in AFG is 100K. You're welcome to find any link saying otherwise (if they are, they're a sucker). So again, please provide evidence of your current salary if you wanna take this route. If it's more than half, you'll have my apology. Next...

Washington University in St. Louis. Not bad, what's your degree in? Don't even waste my time if it's a liberal arts one--cause all that means is you paid more than I did for a piece of paper. If it's not--tie this into the previous question and tell me the fruits of your degree and what it's netting you.

No, I'm not an EMT Supervisor and that's not even a title out here...that's not even a position in FD's back home:lol Are you finished with that dead joke now?

and lastly--The Site/Project Managers of Southern Afghanistan Operations can read and take a screenshot of my stuff anytime they damn well please--and that's been the case since I've been out here.

[Clipper Nation]

Remember the old, I was just trolling schtick? :lol
Th'Faggot getting all emotional about DD's takes :lol

[Clipper Nation]

Lol you're an intervenious drug using degenerate gambling racist who's a medic in the world's asshole.

:lol
^ More emotion from Th'Faggot

[Shastafarian]

You are stupid beyond belief. Medics and Nurses are two completely different HCP's and neither require a 4-year degree. I never said nursing school was 4 years

Also I explained to you the rationale behind the RN-med-school logic but you conveniently left that part out of my quote--the ONLY omission you made of my entire quote--which is telling. It says you recognize you were wrong. I left it out because it was based on your conjecture and opinion and I didn't feel like responding to it. My joke still holds water, even if it's not perfect


"You know these things for a fact?" You or anyone else is welcome to provide evidence to the contrary. Why would anyone show a person such as yourself proof of their professional gains? You're a nazi.

I've never hid my profession, unlike others, and it's common knowledge that the very least an expat medic will make in AFG is 100K. You're welcome to find any link saying otherwise (if they are, they're a sucker). So again, please provide evidence of your current salary if you wanna take this route. If it's more than half, you'll have my apology. What would this evidence entail?


Washington University in St. Louis. Not badIt's quite a bit better than your institution since you brought it up

, what's your degree in? Don't even waste my time if it's a liberal arts one--cause all that means is you paid more than I did for a piece of paper. If it's not--tie this into the previous question and tell me the fruits of your degree and what it's netting you.I got a BA in Anthropology, minor in Biology. Used it to become a doctor. Oops.


No, I'm not an EMT Supervisor and that's not even a title out here...that's not even a position in FD's back home:lol Are you finished with that dead joke now?I didn't mean it as a "title" but unless you're the boss, you have someone over you ie a supervisor.


and lastly--The Site/Project Managers of Southern Afghanistan Operations can read and take a screenshot of my stuff anytime they damn well please--and that's been the case since I've been out here.That's not what I said. I said you should show them your posts. Just because they didn't happen to catch your bigoted comments doesn't mean they would approve. But you won't do that because it's easy to be a bigot if you can hide behind a screen name. Am I right?

So you're in Afghanistan now? I honestly don't know the background of it.

[DD]

I never said nursing school was 4 years
I left it out because it was based on your conjecture and opinion and I didn't feel like responding to it. My joke still holds water, even if it's not perfect

Why would anyone show a person such as yourself proof of their professional gains? You're a nazi.
What would this evidence entail?

It's quite a bit better than your institution since you brought it up
I got a BA in Anthropology, minor in Biology. Used it to become a doctor. Oops.

I didn't mean it as a "title" but unless you're the boss, you have someone over you ie a supervisor.

That's not what I said. I said you should show them your posts. Just because they didn't happen to catch your bigoted comments doesn't mean they would approve. But you won't do that because it's easy to be a bigot if you can hide behind a screen name. Am I right?

So you're in Afghanistan now? I honestly don't know the background of it.
How have you gotten this far and not realized this by now?

and :lmao at being a doctor and making less than someone whose "profession doesn't require any education past high school." Oops

[pgardn]

What's the project? Would love to look into the details

Fluorochromes...

Binding them to the right antibodies (bio)and then, the tough part, actually getting them to fluoresce (Biochem)correctly to be picked up by sensors (physics). Then having right settings on the photomultipliers (physics)and sensors so that the signal can elicit enough range of electrical signals (physics) so that a human can look at it properly or read it off a graph. Requires the computer nerds. I am not an expert in anyone area but can translate and communicate across groups.

Huge question: What if you could use more than 3 lasers and a wider range of fluorochromes so that one would take out the overlap and the lab personnel would not have to be so highly trained (art and experience) in choosing the proper fluorochrome panel. It has been done. But there are some hang ups on all fronts.

Look up flow cytometry.

So now your turn. How did the distaste for saving some people lead you to Hitler?

[Shastafarian]

How have you gotten this far and not realized this by now?:rollin so you're shitting on jobs other posters have but you work in a third world shit hole? For real? I'd rather be a janitor in the US than anything in Afghanistan. Holy shit I know lol is used colloquially but I did just laugh out loud.


and :lmao at being a doctor and making less than someone whose "profession doesn't require any education past high school." Oops

I currently make less this is true (though you just assumed) but that's because I just graduated. I'll be making a considerable amount more than you in a couple years with the bonus of not being in Afghanistan (also without being a nazi, which is a plus).

[Shastafarian]

But you won't do that because it's easy to be a bigot if you can hide behind a screen name. Am I right?

[Wild Cobra]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Israeli_phosphorus-attack_Gaza_2009.jpeg/250px-Israeli_phosphorus-attack_Gaza_2009.jpeg
An Israeli white phosphorous round explodes over a Gaza residential area. 11 January 2009

That's from Operation Cast Lead.

wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War_%282008%E2%80%9309%29

Here is a report by Human Rights Watch:

http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/iopt0309webwcover.pdf

Hamas just doesn't learn from the retaliation Israel is willing to inflict.

Will Hamas ever learn?

[Wild Cobra]

Israel cast the "rain of fire" for reasons like this:


As of January 13, 2009, Palestinian militants had launched approximately 565 rockets and 200 mortars at Israel since the beginning of the conflict, according to Israeli security sources.[221] A source close to Hamas described the movement's use of stealth when firing: "They fired rockets in between the houses and covered the alleys with sheets so they could set the rockets up in five minutes without the planes seeing them. The moment they fired, they escaped, and they are very quick."[222] It is reported that 102 rockets and 35 mortars were fired by Fatah, Hamas' chief rival.[223]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War_%282008%E2%80%9309%29#Rocket_attacks_into _Israel

[Jacob1983]

So Israel is gonna take a break from blowing up schools and hospitals?

[Wild Cobra]

Israel cast the "rain of fire" for reasons like this:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War_%282008%E2%80%9309%29#Rocket_attacks_into _Israel

When Hamas makes residential areas, the battlefield, why should we side against Israel?

[DD]

:rollin so you're shitting on jobs other posters have but you work in a third world shit hole? For real? I'd rather be a janitor in the US than anything in Afghanistan. Holy shit I know lol is used colloquially but I did just laugh out loud.



I currently make less this is true (though you just assumed) but that's because I just graduated. I'll be making a considerable amount more than you in a couple years with the bonus of not being in Afghanistan (also without being a nazi, which is a plus).

Ask any contractor how they feel about working out here, Iraq, or any of the other ME shitholes....there's a reason they love it. It's easy, TAX-FREE, and you basically get paid vacations to anywhere in the world you want (most just turn and burn in Dubai). Is it miserably hot? Hell yes, not gonna lie. Is it incredibly easy work? Yes.

lol, and no you won't be making "a considerable amount more than me," especially after taxes. You'll also be paying back loans for several years (but watch as you say you were on scholarship now).

You're a doctor, and you make less than me, by your own admission. Hit me up if you wanna job out here, unless of course you're some faux-doc like Jack Ramsay or some shit.

[Wild Cobra]

So Israel is gonna take a break from blowing up schools and hospitals?
They only target weapons locations. If Hamas is going to use hospitals and schools as launch sites, then yes. I'm sure they will. I agree that Israel can no longer allow the human shield strategy to work.

[DD]

Fluorochromes...

Binding them to the right antibodies (bio)and then, the tough part, actually getting them to fluoresce (Biochem)correctly to be picked up by sensors (physics). Then having right settings on the photomultipliers (physics)and sensors so that the signal can elicit enough range of electrical signals (physics) so that a human can look at it properly or read it off a graph. Requires the computer nerds. I am not an expert in anyone area but can translate and communicate across groups.

Huge question: What if you could use more than 3 lasers and a wider range of fluorochromes so that one would take out the overlap and the lab personnel would not have to be so highly trained (art and experience) in choosing the proper fluorochrome panel. It has been done. But there are some hang ups on all fronts.

Look up flow cytometry.

So now your turn. How did the distaste for saving some people lead you to Hitler?

So learning the error of my ways and becoming conservative means I was led to Hitler? What led you to Marxism? (same illogical premise)

[pgardn]

So Israel is gonna take a break from blowing up schools and hospitals?

Is Hamas going to keep placing rockets in schools and hospitals?

[Shastafarian]

Ask any contractor how they feel about working out here, Iraq, or any of the other ME shitholes....there's a reason they love it. It's easy, TAX-FREE, and you basically get paid vacations to anywhere in the world you want (most just turn and burn in Dubai). Is it miserably hot? Hell yes, not gonna lie. Is it incredibly easy work? Yes.You live in Afghanistan. How the fuck are you trying to sell that as something desirable?


lol, and no you won't be making "a considerable amount more than me," especially after taxes. I will. I'm sorry to disappoint

You'll also be paying back loans for several years (but watch as you say you were on scholarship now).I'm lucky in that my loans are to my parents so they're interest free. No scholarships sadly.


You're a doctorCorrect. And you're not.

and you make less than me, by your own admission.For now

Hit me up if you wanna job out here, unless of course you're some faux-doc like Jack Ramsay or some shit.
like I said I would never work in Afghanistan. Don't know many people who would; that is people who have friends and family in the states. What brought you to Afghanistan?

[Shastafarian]

But you won't do that because it's easy to be a bigot if you can hide behind a screen name. Am I right?

[Shastafarian]

Is Hamas going to keep placing rockets in schools and hospitals?

Even with this, Israel can't continue to use artillery near UN facilities. The damage is too great both politically and in loss of life.

[pgardn]

So learning the error of my ways and becoming conservative means I was led to Hitler? What led you to Marxism? (same illogical premise)

Go back and read your come to Hitler moment.

The story never fit for me.

Help me understand how you came to the realization that human beings should be done away with while you are payed to save them. How did your job lead you to this conclusion.

There is no error here. You believe as you do for a reason I don't get. Forget any error. So please explain.
Or did I say enough when your retarded buddy wanted to hump me (m>s), when I was referring to how you might think?

[pgardn]

Even with this, Israel can't continue to use artillery near UN facilities. The damage is too great both politically and in loss of life.

True.

I really don't get why artillery was used.
But they still can be targeted. It may cost more Israeli lives though.

[Shastafarian]

It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next couple days as Israel withdraws ground troops. Also with the talks in Cairo and Hamas' political wing willing to make concessions about the rockets.

[pgardn]

It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next couple days as Israel withdraws ground troops. Also with the talks in Cairo and Hamas' political wing willing to make concessions about the rockets.

And that's a huge problem just like the IRA had. The political wing can't control the military wing. And Israel has changed the leadership structure of the military wing I presume. They have to be in tatters by now.

[DD]

What brought you to Afghanistan?

Six-figure tax-free salary with no overhead. Pretty simple decision.

[Shastafarian]

Six-figure tax-free salary with no overhead. Pretty simple decision.

:lol yeah why wouldn't EVERYONE want to move to Afghanistan?

[DD]

Go back and read your come to Hitler moment.

The story never fit for me.

Help me understand how you came to the realization that human beings should be done away with while you are payed to save them. How did your job lead you to this conclusion.

There is no error here. You believe as you do for a reason I don't get. Forget any error. So please explain.
Or did I say enough when your retarded buddy wanted to hump me (m>s), when I was referring to how you might think?

You don't even know what you're asking for in this rambling post. Your mind is all over the place, no wonder you can't find steady employment.

I'll make it simple for you: People of low SES's should not be having children, and your reasoning of "ever think it's not their (poor peoples) own doing?," is quintessential buck-passing, irresponsible liberal bullshit. Work, and you get paid. Fucking crazy, I know. I don't believe in wasting resources to help weaker and inferior people who have no desire to help themselves...well, to anything but more welfare. This ties into the icing on the overseas job cake--I no longer have to pay for Bonequeesha's 17 kids and jamal's crack habit--that's now shastafarian's (or his parents) responsibility.

Passive eugenics would go a long way in this country--and the world.

[DD]

:lol yeah why wouldn't EVERYONE want to move to Afghanistan?

Hey, you asked. and you'll ask me again in a couple years when your still indebted to daddeh:lol

[Shastafarian]

I honestly don't know enough about tax law but I thought there was a cap on tax-free income for people working overseas.

[Shastafarian]

Hey, you asked. and you'll ask me again in a couple years when your still indebted to daddeh:lol

You can rationalize your decision all you want. You didn't have friends or family here in the states or something?

Also, you keep looking over this


But you won't do that because it's easy to be a bigot if you can hide behind a screen name. Am I right?

[Shastafarian]

If I come over the Afghanistan I'd be your boss :rollin

[pgardn]

You don't even know what you're asking for in this rambling post. Your mind is all over the place, no wonder you can't find steady employment.

I'll make it simple for you: People of low SES's should not be having children, and your reasoning of "ever think it's not their (poor peoples) own doing?," is quintessential buck-passing, irresponsible liberal bullshit. Work, and you get paid. Fucking crazy, I know. I don't believe in wasting resources to help weaker and inferior people who have no desire to help themselves...well, to anything but more welfare. This ties into the icing on the overseas job cake--I no longer have to pay for Bonequeesha's 17 kids and jamal's crack habit.

Passive eugenics would go a long way in this country--and the world.

Cant ant find steady employment? Sure. My hours can be very odd, but I have been doing the same basic thing for my WHOLE life.
Although I do help tutor (volunteer) and have a really good sense of people who have an inferiority complex. Yep. I'm good at this because I work with a lot of bright people that don't feel that bright. And they show many of the same characteristics. I have to be able to judge this or I would not have a job in my area. Break thru the BS. We have the same goal. There is a job to be finished, I must stomp egos or soothe them.


So do all weaker people have no desire to work?
And what makes a person inferior?
And what is an SES?

[Shastafarian]

I think the SES he's referring to is socioeconomic status.

[pgardn]

I think the SES he's referring to is socioeconomic status.

Thanks.

So the ES thing is obvious Nazi.
I believe in family and proper funds very much inhibit being able to care for large numbers of children.
The S... Hmmm.
Although I would like to know how you get this done.

The other questions remain.

[DD]

You can rationalize your decision all you want. You didn't have friends or family here in the states or something?

Also, you keep looking over this

1. You asked why I would work out here and I answered--are you confused?, cause that statement made absolutely no sense in context

2. I'm not entering my mid-to-late 20's and still living off my parents' dime, like you are. You can rationalize not being your own man, though. I'm not married and don't have kids, so this is the perfect time in my life to do this kind of work. In fact I'd like to do contracting for another 10 years (in different parts of the world). It's easy money and a chance to go places.

3. In what situation would I freely invite a supervisor/co-worker or any person to view what I wrote on a message board--be it innocuous or hateful? "Hey boss, come look at my post!"--Do you realize what a stupid scenario that is you've constructed, you fucking mongoloid? Which is why I said, if there were any real problems with what I post I would've heard about it months ago.

You're very slow on the uptake. Pretty clear Daddy won't see that money back

[Shastafarian]

I wonder what DD's SES was growing up. He found it very easy to move to a third world warzone, seemingly all for money.

[DD]

If I come over the Afghanistan I'd be your boss :rollin

That entails you sleeping somewhere other than under dad's roof:rollin