View Full Version : I can't wait to see the end of the Tony and Tony show...in the offensive end.
apalisoc_9
07-20-2014, 01:55 AM
Love tony and timmy but the Tony pick and roll with Timmy hasn't done the spurs any good this year or last year at all.. The fact of the matter is that the spurs offense becomes stagnant when they rely on that two man system. With better options out there, I think it's time they completely abolish the mandatory tim and tony 8 minutes something spell of pick and roll between the two....
illusioNtEk
07-20-2014, 03:06 AM
lol spurs fans hated Avery Johnson"s lack of offense, and been begging for a scoring point guard for a long time. Then come these ban wagon fans saying how shit should be made. why don't you just enjoy having an all star point guard and be happy with the players we have.
Prime Time
07-20-2014, 03:19 AM
Guess we're just going to throw out the 21ppg/5apg/49%FG Parker averaged in the first 2 rounds.
dabom
07-20-2014, 04:40 AM
As soon as the role players start missing shots, who is going to have to bail them out?
Why can't we love all our players? They all bring some other dynamic aspect to the game.
The more weapons the better.
howbouthemspurs
07-20-2014, 06:58 AM
Love tony and timmy but the Tony pick and roll with Timmy hasn't done the spurs any good this year or last year at all.. The fact of the matter is that the spurs offense becomes stagnant when they rely on that two man system. With better options out there, I think it's time they completely abolish the mandatory tim and tony 8 minutes something spell of pick and roll between the two....
Yay! Another statement from someone who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about! Did you watch any of the games this year at all?
mookie2001
07-20-2014, 07:54 AM
So dumb so dumb
TXstbobcat
07-20-2014, 09:03 AM
Everyone is going to miss having an all-star point guard when Tony is gone.
Kidd K
07-20-2014, 09:38 AM
Spurs have 4 titles with Parker as starting PG.
Spurfan logic: Can't win with Parker
lolwut?
We need Parker. No player is perfect. End of story.
Spurs have 4 titles with Parker as starting PG.
Spurfan logic: Can't win with Parker
lolwut?
We need Parker. No player is perfect. End of story.
4 titles with him starting, 0 titles as "Parker's team"
Guess we're just going to throw out the 21ppg/5apg/49%FG Parker averaged in the first 2 rounds.
Stats always look great on paper. Spurs could've won the Dallas series pretty easily if they simply exposed the Ellis-Leonard matchup, while having the obvious defensive match ups of Green on Ellis and KL on Carter and not the other way around.
Stats always look great on paper. Spurs could've won the Dallas series pretty easily if they simply exposed the Ellis-Leonard matchup, while having the obvious defensive match ups of Green on Ellis and KL on Carter and not the other way around.
That's on Pop
4 titles with him starting, 0 titles as "Parker's team"
Well he's playing with Tim Duncan, so that's nothing to be ashamed of
dabom
07-20-2014, 10:06 AM
Stats always look great on paper. Spurs could've won the Dallas series pretty easily if they simply exposed the Ellis-Leonard matchup, while having the obvious defensive match ups of Green on Ellis and KL on Carter and not the other way around.
No they wouldn't have. That's exactly what the Mavs wanted. Kawhi isn't as polished in offense and they were double teaming him. And he struggled.
pgardn
07-20-2014, 10:13 AM
Tony adjusted during the playoffs. He went into distribution mode.
Distributors must maintain the threat of being able to go solo. He must remain a threat to get 4 or 5 buckets in a row. The pick and roll with Timmy can still work if Tim could hit a damn elbow jumper again. It's a weapon that remains in the arsenal. Look at Nash now. He can't really beat anyone, what happens to his assists, they plummet. Tony is not there yet.
pgardn
07-20-2014, 10:16 AM
4 titles with him starting, 0 titles as "Parker's team"
See 2007
Well he's playing with Tim Duncan, so that's nothing to be ashamed of
Duncan has always been the leader of this team, he deserved the MVP in '07, not Tony (after abusing DBG). I honestly think that's what ended the Spurs' success. The FMVP went to Parker's head and Pop got all delusional as well, they completely forgot about TD being the true MVP, Manu also played a huge role as well.
See 2007
Against Daniel Boobie Gibson, TD was the best player every single series prior to that, and was huge in locking James down. If that was Kobe in try hard mode abusing that matchup you know damn well Spur fan would've thrown a bitch fit.
dabom
07-20-2014, 10:24 AM
KL Why don't you reply to me? Is it, because you don't know what you're talking about?
No they wouldn't have. That's exactly what the Mavs wanted. Kawhi isn't as polished in offense and they were double teaming him. And he struggled.
They rarely got him the ball, and when they did it's mostly 1 on 1 stuff with little help from his teammates. They fed Leonard the ball in the post a few times and he scored on Ellis, when double teams came he passed out, SA moved the ball and broke down the defense, they rarely did this.
I have faith in Pop doing the right thing next year. No more 2 centers clogging the paint and severely limiting his ability to penetrate, get him more touches, actually run plays for him, etc. the only guy I'm worried about is TP ball hogging.
pgardn
07-20-2014, 10:29 AM
Against Daniel Boobie Gibson, TD was the best player every single series prior to that, and was huge in locking James down. If that was Kobe in try hard mode abusing that matchup you know damn well Spur fan would've thrown a bitch fit.
Did you see the Phoenix series? They put Marion on Parker (after he torched Nash) and he used Tim on the PNR to perfection.
Watch it again. That was Tonys team.
Duncan is always necessary, always. But that year was Parker using Tim and his speed. Tony can only play against who they put in front of him. Gibson argument is a cop out.
DJR210
07-20-2014, 10:34 AM
For someone who creates so many threads, you still need a lot of coaching..you even fucked up the thread title. You are nearly the Jeff Ayers of ST, apalisoc_9
Did you see the Phoenix series? They put Marion on Parker (after he torched Nash) and he used Tim on the PNR to perfection.
Watch it again. That was Tonys team.
Duncan is always necessary, always. But that year was Parker using Tim and his speed. Tony can only play against who they put in front of him. Gibson argument is a cop out.
And who was Parker locking down the entire playoffs? Defense you know, the other 50% of the game. TD effects everyone on the court, it's why I'll always value big men/forwards over guards who can just effect 1 person. I think the only series I saw TP play defense this year was against Lillard, a series they won with him sitting.
dabom
07-20-2014, 10:36 AM
They rarely got him the ball, and when they did it's mostly 1 on 1 stuff with little help from his teammates. They fed Leonard the ball in the post a few times and he scored on Ellis, when double teams came he passed out, SA moved the ball and broke down the defense, they rarely did this.
I have faith in Pop doing the right thing next year. No more 2 centers clogging the paint and severely limiting his ability to penetrate, get him more touches, actually run plays for him, etc. the only guy I'm worried about is TP ball hogging.
They rarely gave him the ball because they knew it wouldn't work. Yeah Kawhi made some shots over Ellis but he wouldn't be able to do it over the series.
Everyone clearly saw Kawhi play like chit in that series. Giving him the ball would be counter intuitive.
Kawhi is going to be our next franchise player that I know he will be, but he wasn't going to win us that series.
I hope going forward Pop runs more offense through him.
They rarely gave him the ball because they knew it wouldn't work. Yeah Kawhi made some shots over Ellis but he wouldn't be able to do it over the series.
Everyone clearly saw Kawhi play like chit in that series. Giving him the ball would be counter intuitive.
Kawhi is going to be our next franchise player that I know he will be, but he wasn't going to win us that series.
I hope going forward Pop runs more offense through him.
Not being held back the way he was by his team/coach, no.
pgardn
07-20-2014, 10:42 AM
And who was Parker locking down the entire playoffs? Defense you know, the other 50% of the game. TD effects everyone on the court, it's why I'll always value big men/forwards over guards who can just effect 1 person. I think the only series I saw TP play defense this year was against Lillard, a series they won with him sitting.
Dude it does not matter.
If you can take advantage of a situation you do so.
Tony did that in 2007.
The debate is on 2007, I did not mention this year as MvParker.
Tim could be MVP any playoff series just because of the D.
Kidd K
07-20-2014, 10:45 AM
4 titles with him starting, 0 titles as "Parker's team"
0 titles as anyone but "Duncan's team".
Let's not act like anyone else ever carried us anywhere.
barakz21
07-20-2014, 10:45 AM
I don't have a dvr, therefore, I can't record the games..... Is there any site where I can watch all the replays?
pgardn
07-20-2014, 11:12 AM
0 titles as anyone but "Duncan's team".
Let's not act like anyone else ever carried us anywhere.
So we win championships without Robinson, Manu, Tony... Boris
You think if Boris did not play we win this year?
TEAM
Daniel Sedin
07-20-2014, 11:27 AM
*sigh*
apa is such an annoying, shitty poster.. It's such a good thing people tend to ignore him now.
apalisoc_9
07-20-2014, 12:09 PM
Boo hoo ha..
:lol
Duncan won us championships bo ho ha :lol
The fact of the matter is that, it's not the best offensive weapon anymore. Spurs fan still clinging to the past :lol
tdunk21
07-20-2014, 12:17 PM
Dumbass
Warlord23
07-20-2014, 01:02 PM
Boo hoo ha..
:lol
Duncan won us championships bo ho ha :lol
The fact of the matter is that, it's not the best offensive weapon anymore. Spurs fan still clinging to the past :lol
The Spurs won as a team, no one player "carried" them in the traditional sense. However Duncan has an excellent case for having been the best Spur in the 2014 playoffs. He was #1 in minutes, #1 in PER, #2 in points, #1 in rebounds, #1 in win shares and was the lynchpin of the interior defense. At 38, he remains the most irreplaceable player on the team and one of the true 2-way bigs left in the league.
Regarding his usage on the offensive end, he took only 12.4 fga per game in the playoffs and shot 52%. How many fewer shots would you want him to take?
Malik Hairston
07-20-2014, 03:41 PM
OP is one of the 5 best posters on ST, tbh, and he's absolutely correct in his assessment..
Tony-Tim as the primary options was successful in 2013 because Parker had a dominant year and Duncan had an offensive rejuvenation due to the consistency of his mid-range jump shot..in 2014, Duncan struggled with his shot and Parker had a mediocre year, which killed the Duncan-Parker 2-man game and led to early season struggles for the Spurs(along with Leonard and Green struggling with the 3-point shot)..
Parker had a sub-par playoff run in 2014, the Spurs were actually statistically better when he sat on the bench, so it's evident that the team learned to play without the "star" version of TP during this title run(which is a priority going forward, since his decline has begun)..
Duncan was great as an all-around player in 2014, but he struggled as an iso creator, he had much more success playing off the ball and playing through his teammates, tbh..
The 2014 Spurs are the most team-oriented squad in NBA history, the most unique team of all-time and one of the 3 best overall teams since the 80s..they don't rely entirely on individual play, it's an antiquated concept IMO, and part of reaching that goal was because they diverted from the Parker-Duncan 2-man game..
Warlord23
07-20-2014, 03:53 PM
OP has created a thread based on a nonexistent problem, especially after the Spurs put up arguably the best passing display in NBA history. While he is technically right, one might also create threads like:
I can't wait till Pop stops playing Bonner 20 mpg
I can't wait to see Manu be the primary ball handler with the second unit
I can't wait till Splitter gets out of Pop's doghouse
Etc...
All issues that might have occurred in the past, but not applicable now
El Guapo
07-20-2014, 05:28 PM
Day late dolla short pendejo!
anakha
07-20-2014, 06:31 PM
For someone who creates so many threads, you still need a lot of coaching..you even fucked up the thread title. You are nearly the Jeff Ayers of ST, apalisoc_9
wildchild
07-21-2014, 09:00 AM
The 2014 Spurs are the most team-oriented squad in NBA history, the most unique team of all-time and one of the 3 best overall teams since the 80s..they don't rely entirely on individual play, it's an antiquated concept IMO, and part of reaching that goal was because they diverted from the Parker-Duncan 2-man game..
Agree, but the "team-oriented squad" wasn't the original plan of Pop, that was more a direct consequence of Tony's injuries and fatigue.
For better or worse, we'll see Tony as the primary option and all offensive system structured around him again next season.
If that happens, maybe I'll have to take antidepressants during the regular season. Not because of Parker, just because the Spurs become a predictable team of isos and standing around with that.
Kidd K
07-21-2014, 04:55 PM
So we win championships without Robinson, Manu, Tony... Boris
You think if Boris did not play we win this year?
TEAM
That's pretty much the definition of a strawman.
I clearly said no one has ever carried us to a title, not that nobody besides him ever made a difference.
TheGreatYacht
07-21-2014, 05:19 PM
4 titles with him starting, 0 titles as "Parker's team"
:lmao they won in 2007, and they should've won in 2013 with him leading the team the whole season up until 28 seconds in Game 6... Who's team was it this year? Because it sure as hell wasn't Kawhi's team who was mediocre the whole postseason until Game 3 of the finals
TheGreatYacht
07-21-2014, 05:23 PM
OP is so retarded, he can't even name the title properly *sigh*
Title: "Tony and Tony show"
Thread: "...Tony pick and roll with Timmy..."
Put the needle down before you post bra
:lmao they won in 2007, and they should've won in 2013 with him leading the team the whole season up until 28 seconds in Game 6... Who's team was it this year? Because it sure as hell wasn't Kawhi's team who was mediocre the whole postseason until Game 3 of the finals
He wasn't the true MVP in 07, it was obviously TD. Parker rarely plays defense, there is always someone to bail him out whether it's Bowen Green or Leonard, I see the selective memory of him getting out played by Dragic/Nash/WB/Kidd/Conley/etc. and even Chalmers in the finals lmao.
Check Leonard's finals stats last year and compare them to TP's lmao. Leonard doesn't have the luxury of running off multiple screens, or even plays called for him, which hurts him even more when he's got 2 centers clogging the paint. Parker has all the help in the world and hasn't lead this team to shit. He'll help win you playoff games but he'll never lead a team to a championship.
TheGreatYacht
07-21-2014, 07:11 PM
He wasn't the true MVP in 07, it was obviously TD. Parker rarely plays defense, there is always someone to bail him out whether it's Bowen Green or Leonard, I see the selective memory of him getting out played by Dragic/Nash/WB/Kidd/Conley/etc. and even Chalmers in the finals lmao.
Check Leonard's finals stats last year and compare them to TP's lmao. Leonard doesn't have the luxury of running off multiple screens, or even plays called for him, which hurts him even more when he's got 2 centers clogging the paint. Parker has all the help in the world and hasn't lead this team to shit. He'll help win you playoff games but he'll never lead a team to a championship.
Parker doesn't play defense? I remember him stopping Lillard, Paul, & Billups from going off. I also have a selective memory of Kawhi getting outplayed by Durant, Carter, Barnes, Thompson, Batum & Lebron lmao.
Oh okay so you value 3 games more than a whole body of work in the 2013 playoffs when Manu choked Parker's title all away, nice logic.
You're acting like Kawhi deserves a medal for letting Lebron take jumpers last year :lol Parker created more points for the team by forcing the Heat to double on all picks and giving Green all the open 3's in the world. If you want to talk ball hog, when Kawhi isn't differing to his teammates, I don't remember him ever creating for anyone, tbh. Btw Parker struggled this year because he chose to win gold for his country. Kawhi knows it would happen to him too
Parker doesn't play defense? I remember him stopping Lillard, Paul, & Billups from going off. I also have a selective memory of Kawhi getting outplayed by Durant, Carter, Barnes, Thompson, Batum & Lebron lmao.
Oh okay so you value 3 games more than a whole body of work in the 2013 playoffs when Manu choked Parker's title all away, nice logic.
You're acting like Kawhi deserves a medal for letting Lebron take jumpers last year :lol Parker created more points for the team by forcing the Heat to double on all picks and giving Green all the open 3's in the world. If you want to talk ball hog, when Kawhi isn't differing to his teammates, I don't remember him ever creating for anyone, tbh. Btw Parker struggled this year because he chose to win gold for his country. Kawhi knows it would happen to him too
Not really, it has always been a combo of Green/Leonard on CP3 and pretty much whoever else. The only guy I saw him play d on these playoffs was Lillard who pretty much choked. Leonard rarely guarded Batum, he was on Matthews most of the series, he locked Thompson down after Pop finally made the proper adjustments of Green on Curry and KL on Thompson.
Leonard does have play making ability, he just never gets the ball. Honestly, what do you want him to do? Parker gets like 3 screens to free him up, Leonard is lucky if he gets just ONE. He doesn't get any plays called for him and Pop barely figured out that 2 centers clogging the paint severely limits his game these finals (took long enough).
Leonard put up 15 and 10 with fantastic defense, I don't know if you've realized this yet but there is no stopping Lebron, this isn't the same guy from the 07 Finals. You can only contest his shots (which Leonard did), deny him the ball (which Leonard did), and make the game hell for him.
32-10 with Leonard to start off the season, 8-6 without him, 1st game backhe leads them to a historic 19 game ws, but I'm sure it was all a coincidence, I mean this is "Parker's team"
and no im not a Manu dick rider like others on this board.
TheGreatYacht
07-21-2014, 09:03 PM
Not really, it has always been a combo of Green/Leonard on CP3 and pretty much whoever else. The only guy I saw him play d on these playoffs was Lillard who pretty much choked. Leonard rarely guarded Batum, he was on Matthews most of the series, he locked Thompson down after Pop finally made the proper adjustments of Green on Curry and KL on Thompson.
Leonard does have play making ability, he just never gets the ball. Honestly, what do you want him to do? Parker gets like 3 screens to free him up, Leonard is lucky if he gets just ONE. He doesn't get any plays called for him and Pop barely figured out that 2 centers clogging the paint severely limits his game these finals (took long enough).
Leonard put up 15 and 10 with fantastic defense, I don't know if you've realized this yet but there is no stopping Lebron, this isn't the same guy from the 07 Finals. You can only contest his shots (which Leonard did), deny him the ball (which Leonard did), and make the game hell for him.
32-10 with Leonard to start off the season, 8-6 without him, 1st game backhe leads them to a historic 19 game ws, but I'm sure it was all a coincidence, I mean this is "Parker's team"
and no im not a Manu dick rider like others on this board.
I can't disagree with any of the points you brought up. Although Parker said Kawhi was supposed to be the guy this finals and I never saw Parker take shots away from him. He knew he wasn't 100% and didint force anything like he did in games 6 & 7 last year. Idk we'll see if Parker bounces back, this is a contract year, so I expect 2013 Parker.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.5 Copyright © 2026 vBulletin Solutions Inc. All rights reserved.