Spurs refuse Manu permission to play in FIBA tournament

[Juggity]

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[Robz4000]

Welp, lets see how Manu reacts...

[Kool Bob Love]

Manu helps the spurs win number 5 and this is how they show their appreciation?

:(

[Mal]

Spurs doing excatly what Spurs should do.

[timtonymanu]

Good news for the Spurs.

[Bill_Brasky]

good job but you coulda at least waited until after his birthday Pop.....damn.....

[ducks]

Manu helps the spurs win number 5 and this is how they show their appreciation?

:(
SEE his bank account and see his age any team that had a shot at winning it all would have done the same thing if he played for another team

[Baam]

How about a phone call, WTF :lmao

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Manu didnt want to play, this was CIA Pop's way of getting him out of international play without him catching any flack :pop:

[ducks]

Welp, lets see how Manu reacts... let him demand to be traded and see what will happen
let him try to cause issues in the lockerroom pop will cut him just like sj

[loveforthegame]

Spurs doing excatly what Spurs should do.

[ducks]

How about a phone call, WTF :lmao

they knew he would plead like a two year old

[jon123spurs]

Happy Birthday Manu. But first you are NOT playing for the national team. Hahaha they made the right choice. I'm sure he'll understand.

[Captivus]

Best thing that could happen to Argentina NT.

[RD2191]

I don't know how I feel about this, tbh. I almost wanna feel bad for Manu but his top priority should be the Spurs. Of course some disagree and I also understand where they're coming from. Just a tough situation for Manu, his fans, and Spurs/Spurs fans.

[ElNono]

Good news, IMO... fuck ARG reaction, tbh...

[dbreiden83080]

Welp, lets see how Manu reacts...

He's a big boy and he'll get over it.

[Baam]

It's stupid as hell... I have a hard time believing it in the first place tbqh, they can't prevent him from playing the last international competition of his career...

[FvckMavs]

Great news!

[dbreiden83080]

Manu helps the spurs win number 5 and this is how they show their appreciation?

:(

They are supposed to let him go out there and play on a bum leg? No not at all.

[dbreiden83080]

It's stupid as hell... I have a hard time believing it in the first place tbqh, they can't prevent him from playing the last international competition of his career...

If he was healthy he would be playing. He's not healthy so he doesn't get too. It's not very complicated and the organization made the right decision.

[ElNono]

Spurs to Gino, tbh...

http://www.boredwrestlingfan.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Flasher_denied.gif

[bigfan]

Spurs offering cover to Manu (I hope).

[Jenks]

It's possible that Manu asked the Spurs to do this, so his Argentina teammates think he wanted to play with them even on a bum leg, even though maybe he didn't want to. This way he doesn't come off looking like the bad guy for declining.

I'm not saying it's likely, just possible.

[dabom]

Manu helps the spurs win number 5 and this is how they show their appreciation?

:(

Fuck off! I don't want another 2013 Finals Manu.

[Baam]

It's possible that Manu asked the Spurs to do this, so his Argentina teammates think he wanted to play with them even on a bum leg, even though maybe he didn't want to. This way he doesn't come off looking like the bad guy for declining.

I'm not saying it's likely, just possible.

Nope Manu is not a huge hypocrite like that :rolleyes...

[LakerHater]

Good, didnt the last time he played he came back fucked up!?

[Bill_Brasky]

the Spurs wouldnt have held a grudge if it had been Manu's decision and he decided to play. So he in turn will respect their decision since it was up to them.

[Dawkins]

This is how the Spurs organization treats the players that have done so much for them... Well....Lack of class!

Playing for your national team is the biggest thing for an international player, you should respect that.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

This is how the Spurs organization treats the players that have done so much for it... Well....

lol 14 post troll

[chasky]

I hope that manu retires from the Spurs. NOW!

[Spurs 4 The Win]

I hope that manu retires from the Spurs.

I hope that Magic gives you the AIDS

[dabom]

I hope that manu retires from the Spurs.

Spotted a manu fan in the wild.

[PingPong]

There are other issues too.

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2014/7/24/5934159/fiba-world-cup-internal-crisis-manu-ginobili

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/manu-ginobili-and-the-final-stand-against-the-argentine-basketball-federation-190432742.html

[dabom]

There are other issues too.

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2014/7/24/5934159/fiba-world-cup-internal-crisis-manu-ginobili

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/manu-ginobili-and-the-final-stand-against-the-argentine-basketball-federation-190432742.html



These are old though compared to this.

[Brox6]

Spurs / Manu escape route plan :downspin:

[chasky]

Spurs family they say.... a great piece of SHIT in the reality.

[dabom]

Spurs family they say.... a great piece of SHIT in the reality.

Kill yourself.

[TXstbobcat]

Manu can now recover from his injury, rest up for the title defense, and hopefully will have a better chance of staying healthy this season.

[SpursFan86]

If Manu was so fiercely insistent on playing for Argentina, he shouldn't have agreed to the contract he signed which has a clause in it about the Spurs being able to deny him permission to play internationally.

I feel bad for him not being able to represent his country, but life isn't fair. I'd rather Argentina get fucked over than us.

[dabom]

If Manu was so fiercely insistent on playing for Argentina, he shouldn't have agreed to the contract he signed which has a clause in it about the Spurs being able to deny him permission to play internationally.

I feel bad for him not being able to represent his country, but life isn't fair. I'd rather Argentina get fucked over than us.

Exactly. How many times has he fucked over the spurs from international play(not even including the playoffs). It's time the Spurs put their foot down for once.

[Obstructed_View]

http://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/usp-nba_-san-antonio-spurs-championship-celebratio_002.jpg?w=1000&h=609

[Holden_Caulfield]

i didnt think people still sent letters :lol

[CGD]

Is the Argie federation broke and therefore unable to pay player insurance? Sorry but No insurance, no play. Hurt or not.

[Arc]

just like in FIFA, arg gonna lose anyway. why risk it?

[DesignatedT]

Good.

[davidbowie]

Damn that's fucked up LMAO

[Clipper Nation]

Good news, IMO... fuck ARG reaction, tbh...
:lol Your bribes must not have worked, tbh....

[Mikeanaro]

Great, best decision ever front office said We are gonna keep Manu´s talents in SA.

[Spur|n|Austin]

It's stupid as hell... I have a hard time believing it in the first place tbqh, they can't prevent him from playing the last international competition of his career...

Yes. Yes they can. Legal contracts are pretty powerful agreements.


Spurs family they say.... a great piece of SHIT in the reality.

:lol well you sure are a dumb f***

[ElNono]

:lol Your bribes must not have worked, tbh....

:lol this actually guaransheeds another 2/year, $12m extension by dem Spurs... :greedy:greedy:greedy

[Kent_in_Atlanta]

Manu helps the spurs win number 5 and this is how they show their appreciation?

:(

The Spurs have shown their appreciation by giving him a contract few people thought he was worth anymore after the 2013 Finals. He's played nearly every summer, even when it wasn't wise to do so. And they never stopped him before. On more than one occasion, his playing year-round has directly led to (or indirectly contributed to) Manu's breaking down during the NBA season, sinking the Spurs' title chances during seasons in which the Spurs had a great shot to add to their ring total.

The Spurs are the ones paying Manu millions of dollars to do what he does. Doesn't get paid by the national team.

[anakha]

I'm glad I got in before the usual retarded arguments started showing u-


This is how the Spurs organization treats the players that have done so much for them... Well....Lack of class!

Playing for your national team is the biggest thing for an international player, you should respect that.


I hope that manu retires from the Spurs. NOW!

Oh. Forget I said anything. :lol

[Chinook]

My guess is the Spurs know Ginobili shouldn't play and are making the decision so he doesn't have to. The dude has a broken leg. Argentina should feel ashamed for asking him to play this summer. He can go ahead and play in 2016 when he's retired from the NBA.

[FireMicoHalili]

Manu helps the spurs win number 5 and this is how they show their appreciation?

:(
The Spurs are disgusting. How could they forbid Ginobili to play just after a surgery, and at 37 years old? Stupid business move, everyone knows all players get better after playing more games.

[IceColdBrewski]

A letter? Pretty insulting if true.

[FireMicoHalili]

A letter? Pretty insulting if true.
True, they should have just texted or sent a Facebook message. Classy organization my ass.

[ElNono]

My guess is the Spurs know Ginobili shouldn't play and are making the decision so he doesn't have to. The dude has a broken leg. Argentina should feel ashamed for asking him to play this summer. He can go ahead and play in 2016 when he's retired from the NBA.

I think you're misguided there. It was him that was hoping for a miracle because he wanted to play.

[chasky]

Juan Ballesteros @Jeballesteros · 18 min
Desde el entorno de Manu dicen no tener nada oficial y en caso de recibir la noticia, analizarán cómo actuar. Esperemos.

A pretty close journalist of gino's family giveme hopes that this is a big mistake by Buck_SA, if not the Spurs misshandle this situation big time.

[KL2]

Good, Manu's selfishness could've cost the team next year's title. Successful off season indeed.

[Uriel]

To all Argentinians: I understand many of you are upset with the Spurs for this decision. But it's not like they prevented him from playing just because they wanted to. Manu is hurt and his injury still has yet to fully heal. The Spurs are acting in the best interests of Manu's health. In doing so, they're showing loyalty to their own players.

[Pocho La Pantera]

As an argentinian I'd rather have him winning the fifth ring than losing in quarter finals in Spain.

[ElNono]

Argentina, decime que se siente? :lol

[Penya]

Argentina, decime que se siente? :lol

LTA

[FireMicoHalili]

wonder how those pining for him to play for ARG feel when they see him limping or dragging himself onto the court in the event fatigue catches up to him during the NBA season

[Obstructed_View]

To all Argentinians: Time to start cultivating some new basketball players.

[Chinook]

I think you're misguided there. It was him that was hoping for a miracle because he wanted to play.

I know that. I don't mean to say anyone was forcing Ginobili to play. But the man has to be put down for his own good. The fact that some posters are acting indignant about this annoys me.

[slick'81]

Spurs protecting their investment nothing more

[Chinook]

Argentina, decime que se siente? :lol

Never heard/read that variant before.

[DAF86]

Never heard/read that variant before.

Argie invention, tbh.

[Chinook]

Argie invention, tbh.

Nice. I'll stick to my TexMex and Textbook words, though. Decime has too many syllables.

[BatManu20]

Manu will now intentionally throw the NBA Finals as revenge if we make them next year.

[baseline bum]

I hope that manu retires from the Spurs. NOW!

I hope you default. IN TWO DAYS!

[DAF86]

Nice. I'll stick to my TexMex and Textbook words, though. Decime has too many syllables.

There are many other words that we transform like that. I think it comes from using el "voseo" instead of el "tuteo" but I'm not sure, I may be talking out of my ass.

[ElNono]

I hope you default. IN TWO DAYS!

we goin down... yeeeehhhaaaa

[chasky]

I hope you default. IN TWO DAYS!

I Hope that you imperialist fall, as every impire in history.

[ElNono]

There are many other words that we transform like that. I think it comes from using el "voseo" instead of el "tuteo" but I'm not sure, I may be talking out of my ass.

Correct-a-mundo. It actually is a bastardization of "decidme"

[baseline bum]

I Hope that you imperialist fall, as every impire in history.

I just hope you stay on the other side of the river tbh

[phxspurfan]

para atras

[RD2191]

Argies probably trying to seem more European. :lol

[urunobili]

I hope he complies without a fight tbh. I know he wants a last tourney as farewell but if it's not fully healed he should just go to a beach with the family and relax. Even though NT Gino is one of my favorite versions I do want the Spurs to go all in to try to repeat.

[ElNono]

IIRC, the only thing he can do is appeal to the Spurs to reverse course... not even sure the NBPA can do anything about it.

FIBA won't let him play as long as the franchise says he's injured.

[chasky]

IIRC, the only thing he can do is appeal to the Spurs to reverse course... not even sure the NBPA can do anything about it.

FIBA won't let him play as long as the franchise says he's injured.

No, if Manu retires from the Spurs, can play the WC.

[MaNu4Tres]

No, if Manu retires from the Spurs, can play the WC.

Lol @ that notion, tbh

[ElNono]

No, if Manu retires from the Spurs, can play the WC.

I'm talking realistic scenarios, tbh

[Dex]

Manu is part of the Spurs inner family. I sincerely doubt there is any chance that this wasn't extensively discussed between both parties.

Many people aren't giving much credence to the idea that this is actually a mutual decision by Manu and the Spurs, because it allows Manu to show his desire to play and lets the Spurs be the scapegoat, instead of Manu feeling the backlash of letting down his country.

Does the injury play a factor? Yes. Could Manu probably play through it? Yes.

But at this point, Manu knows the risks of further injury and fatigue as well as anybody in the league. He's broken a bone playing FIBA basketball, and spent many a season injury-riddled following national play. I'm sure Manu doesn't want to let down his country...but I'm sure he also appreciates the Spurs decision regarding his overall health and NBA career. And I have no doubt he bleeds silver and black, so I'm sure he understands that aspect as well.

[RD2191]

No, if Manu retires from the Spurs, can play the WC.
Do you even Spur?

[chasky]

I just hope you stay on the other side of the river tbh

Me too! Go and have a nice dinner with your friend Mr. Sterling.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Lol @ that notion, tbh

Lol @ any of his notions or posts.

[SupremeGuy]

Excellent news, tbh.

GO SPURS GO!

:flag:

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Me too! Go and have a nice dinner with your friend Mr. Sterling.

No more feeding this troll, obvious troll is obvious

[SupremeGuy]

Spurs offering cover to Manu (I hope).Honestly, this is probably what it is. He doesn't want to play for them anymore but doesn't want to come off as the bad guy in his 3rd world country.

[Baam]

People with the conspiracy theory are crazy, they think Manu is somehow a huge liar who is playing his country when he doesn't have to...

[Virgil]

Honestly, this is probably what it is. He doesn't want to play for them anymore but doesn't want to come off as the bad guy in his 3rd world country.

To all the ones who are thinking this is CIA Pop covering up Manu´s ass, I say: after all these years, you don´t know Manu at all if you think he is not brave enough to speak out loud about what he thinks and what he wants or doesn´t want to do with his life.

[leo_d]

Manu did an interview some days ago, he said that he wanted to play for the NT not for patriotism or for the people demanding him to do so, but because he love the game and wanted to help his friends to get as far as possible, it´s funny how people can spin that sentiment into some kind of betrayal on the Spurs.

In my book Manu have nothing to prove to argentinian fans, but he is a grown man, he just did an amazing job to help the Spurs to get another championship, and he wants to play with his brothers, you can be pretty sure he is not happy with the spurs decision, and has nothing to do with him dissaponting fans in Argentina.

[apalisoc_9]

Manu is part of the Spurs inner family. I sincerely doubt there is any chance that this wasn't extensively discussed between both parties.

Many people aren't giving much credence to the idea that this is actually a mutual decision by Manu and the Spurs, because it allows Manu to show his desire to play and lets the Spurs be the scapegoat, instead of Manu feeling the backlash of letting down his country.

Does the injury play a factor? Yes. Could Manu probably play through it? Yes.

But at this point, Manu knows the risks of further injury and fatigue as well as anybody in the league. He's broken a bone playing FIBA basketball, and spent many a season injury-riddled following national play. I'm sure Manu doesn't want to let down his country...but I'm sure he also appreciates the Spurs decision regarding his overall health and NBA career. And I have no doubt he bleeds silver and black, so I'm sure he understands that aspect as well.


People with the conspiracy theory are crazy, they think Manu is somehow a huge liar who is playing his country when he doesn't have to...

Manu bleeds blue and white first...he's played through games with the NT where the could have just said no.

he wanted to play..There is no conspiracy. Spurs don't want him to play to his and manu's benefit...

Manu's desire to play for NT with an injury is very similar to how he wants to go crazy on a drive to the basket without any jump or athleticism left in his body..That's always been his personality..That's Manu..

SMH at all these conspiracies..

[Virgil]

Manu doesn´t owe a nickel to anyone, nor to Argentina, nor to SA.

He is trying to say goodbye to all the things he cared the most during his basketball career. If he wanted to play for Argentina, I am just sad he can´t make it, Period.

So many ugly fans around here...

[RD2191]

Manu doesn´t owe a nickel to anyone, nor to Argentina, nor to SA.

He is trying to say goodbye to all the things he cared the most during his basketball career. If he wanted to play for Argentina, I am just sad he can´t make it, Period.

So many ugly fans around here...
He signed a contract with the Spurs, he owes them something.

[apalisoc_9]

He signed a contract with the Spurs, he owes them something.

No he doesn't.

He only does if the contract says so..I don't think there's anything written on his contract about his desire to play for his NT..The spurs signed knowing full well manu loves to play for his NT...The spurs bought his services. It was never a loyalty contract or whatever...

[Vic Petro]

Just because a letter was sent doesn't mean a phone call wasn't also made.

[Virgil]

He signed a contract with the Spurs, he owes them something.


And he delivered and continues to deliver.

He has been paid to play during the season, same with you and your job: they don´t owe your spare time, they just trust you that you will be able to do your work when the times comes.

You should trust Manu, after all this years, that when the season starts, he will be ready. And if anyone has achieved an extra credit, is him.

[Ginobili3]

Good news, but damn thats harsh, a letter on his birthday. Could've called him

[SupremeGuy]

He signed a contract with the Spurs, he owes them something.Exactly.

[TheyCallMePro]

What a SHAMEFUL decision by the Spurs FO.

Embarrassed to be a Spurs fan right now. Hope Manu knows that not all spurs fan support this.

Last chance to play for his NT and he's robbed. Just shameful.

[Mikeanaro]

Lol some idiots don´t remember this
http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/15/33/05/3518785/15/622x350.jpghttp://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/15/33/05/3518803/15/622x350.jpg
Now one more time
http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/15/33/05/3518808/15/622x350.jpg
Fuck the NT team, Manu got away that time, now its FO revenge time.

[ElNono]

The only thing that you could say is somewhat bitchmade is the Spurs leaking out (and make no mistake, for an organization shrouded in secrecy, this is no accident) that info before Gino getting the letter and the news... especially on his birthday, tbh...

[Virgil]

Exactly.

Yeah, exactly wrong...

[Virgil]

Lol some idiots don´t remember this
Fuck the NT team, Manu got away that time, now its FO revenge time.

yes, that´s called a typical case of selective memory...

[Budkin]

Good. He should know better.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

As an argentinian I'd rather have him winning the fifth ring than losing in quarter finals in Spain.

Halle-fucking-lujah they do exist.

[xmas1997]

Sad news for the ANT and Manu, but good news for the Spurs.
Manu is such a huge competitor.
He may be upset at first but he will realize that his job and livelihood is more important.
Once he eventually retires he can do whatever he wants.

[Virgil]

Good. He should know better.

Dont worry, he is well aware of crappy fans...

[SupremeGuy]

I hope we lose all these 3rd world country fans that are bitching right now... you guys are more than free to choose a new team to root for.

GO SPURS GO! :flag:

[Virgil]

I hope we lose all these 3rd world country fans that are bitching right now... you guys are more than free to choose a new team to root for.

GO SPURS GO! :flag:

Dont´worry, they will be loyal to SA, despite some 3rd class native fans...

[jARS mEsH sEt]

I hope we lose all these 3rd world country fans that are bitching right now... you guys are more than free to choose a new team to root for.

GO SPURS GO! :flag:

I ran dallasmaverickslose out of this forum a couple of months ago tbh :lmao

Let's hope the rest follow suit.

[SupremeGuy]

Dont´worry, they will be loyal to SA, despite some 3rd class native fans...By bitching and wanting him to play for argentina/be able to make his own choice on whether he plays, you're being inherently disloyal to the Spurs.

[Virgil]

By bitching and wanting him to play for argentina/be able to make his own choice on whether he plays, you're being inherently disloyal to the Spurs.

First, no one is is bitching. Second, your perspective (SA Vs Argentina, loyal Vs disloyal) is just childish.

[Virgil]

And by the way, don´t know how many of you can read spanish, but in the comment section, most argies are supporting SA decission... so the worls is not so much white and black as some of you might think...


http://canchallena.lanacion.com.ar/1713795-san-antonio-spurs-no-autoriza-a-manu-ginobili-a-jugar-el-mundial-de-espana

[exstatic]

People with the conspiracy theory are crazy, they think Manu is somehow a huge liar who is playing his country when he doesn't have to...

You have no idea how the world works. The right hand washes the left hand EVERY DAY all around the world. He's played 6 times for Argentina, 2002,2004,2006,2008,2010,2012. Maybe he's done with it, but is taking pressure at home to play. The Spurs would ABSOLUTELY take the role of the heavy if Manu needed it to save face at home.

[SupremeGuy]

First, no one is is bitching. Second, your perspective (SA Vs Argentina, loyal Vs disloyal) is just childish.You're the one that brought up loyalty, homie.

[Virgil]

You're the one that brought up loyalty, homie.

uh?

[dbreiden83080]

No he doesn't.

He only does if the contract says so..I don't think there's anything written on his contract about his desire to play for his NT..The spurs signed knowing full well manu loves to play for his NT...The spurs bought his services. It was never a loyalty contract or whatever...

They have let him play countless times in the past because he has been healthy.. This time he is not.. That's life..

[FireMicoHalili]

And he delivered and continues to deliver.

He has been paid to play during the season, same with you and your job: they don´t owe your spare time, they just trust you that you will be able to do your work when the times comes.

You should trust Manu, after all this years, that when the season starts, he will be ready. And if anyone has achieved an extra credit, is him.
On a job, it's true, they don't owe your spare time. You however owe it to them to keep yourself healthy to do what the job entails you to. Think how happy your employer would be once you skip work just because you broke your leg skiing. A team signs with the expectation that their employee will show up to work everyday in peak form. A player donning colors for his National team looks noble, but he's just a pain in the ass once the injuries start kicking in and you see him slumping through the season.

[xmas1997]

You have no idea how the world works. The right hand washes the left hand EVERY DAY all around the world. He's played 6 times for Argentina, 2002,2004,2006,2008,2010,2012. Maybe he's done with it, but is taking pressure at home to play. The Spurs would ABSOLUTELY take the role of the heavy if Manu needed it to save face at home.

I agree with Baam, if your contention were true then all it would have taken was the original initial doctors report to sabotage his ANT play.

[leo_d]

You have no idea how the world works. The right hand washes the left hand EVERY DAY all around the world. He's played 6 times for Argentina, 2002,2004,2006,2008,2010,2012. Maybe he's done with it, but is taking pressure at home to play. The Spurs would ABSOLUTELY take the role of the heavy if Manu needed it to save face at home.

Lol trying to make this decision some kind of favor to Manu from the Spurs, first of all basketball is not that important in Argentina for Manu not beeing able to handle the pressure, and second, Manu wanted to play for himself and his long time friends, not for the people, he even said so, he doesn´t need anybody help him to save face.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Manu didnt want to play, this was CIA Pop's way of getting him out of international play without him catching any flack :pop:

I am hoping this was the case.

[Virgil]

On a job, it's true, they don't owe your spare time. You however owe it to them to keep yourself healthy to do what the job entails you to. Think how happy your employer would be once you skip work just because you broke your leg skiing. A team signs with the expectation that their employee will show up to work everyday in peak form. A player donning colors for his National team looks noble, but he's just a pain in the ass once the injuries start kicking in and you see him slumping through the season.

Yes, and thats exactly what I meant. SA should trust Manu´s discern.

[littlecoyotecoin]

This is how the Spurs organization treats the players that have done so much for them... Well....Lack of class!

Playing for your national team is the biggest thing for an international player, you should respect that.

If Manu played for another team he may very well have been rode to death many years ago, suffering a shortened career. Manu owes The Spurs as much as we owe him.

[Obstructed_View]

At this point, I'm really glad Pop isn't the team USA coach making this decision.

[littlecoyotecoin]

If Manu was so fiercely insistent on playing for Argentina, he shouldn't have agreed to the contract he signed which has a clause in it about the Spurs being able to deny him permission to play internationally.

I feel bad for him not being able to represent his country, but life isn't fair. I'd rather Argentina get fucked over than us.

This. They can't use the contract to their advantage when it suits them, then bitch about the contract when it suits us Shit gets old.

[spurraider21]

493876439805353984

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfslY_AvhLw

[littlecoyotecoin]

True, they should have just texted or sent a Facebook message. Classy organization my ass.

I would have tied a note to a pigeon's leg. Then broken the leg.

[spurraider21]

I would have tied a note to a pigeon's leg. Then broken the leg.
:rollin

[dabom]

Manu is fucking injured. Don't people understand that? All three doctors said the same thing. The Spurs are using the injury clause, which means he hasn't fully healed.
Manu could appeal if he thinks the Spurs are lying. But they ain't. We don't work like that.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Manu doesn´t owe a nickel to anyone, nor to Argentina, nor to SA.

He is trying to say goodbye to all the things he cared the most during his basketball career. If he wanted to play for Argentina, I am just sad he can´t make it, Period.

So many ugly fans around here...

He can play. He can retire. He would rather have $7 million dollars and continue playing with The Spurs.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Manu didnt want to play, this was CIA Pop's way of getting him out of international play without him catching any flack :pop:

This. Giving old man Manu some cover.

[RD2191]

I hope we lose all these 3rd world country fans that are bitching right now... you guys are more than free to choose a new team to root for.

GO SPURS GO! :flag:

[littlecoyotecoin]

Halle-fucking-lujah they do exist.

Lulz!

[dabom]

He can play. He can retire. He would rather have $7 million dollars and continue playing with The Spurs.


ook at you talk fool. You'd rather he play injured, lose, maybe injure himself more, and retire from the nba and lose 7 million dollars plus maybe another 8mil2year extension all because your a fucking twat??????????

NVM. I thought you were implying he should retire to play for Argentina. Sorry lol

[exstatic]

I agree with Baam, if your contention were true then all it would have taken was the original initial doctors report to sabotage his ANT play.

You have to make it look good. :lol

[littlecoyotecoin]

Yes, and thats exactly what I meant. SA should trust Manu´s discern.

Manu's passion is irrational. Like a drunk that thinks he can still drive, sometimes you have to take away the keys. You can't trust their discern. It's inherently bad discern.

[MarCowMar]

I love seeing Manu play for his national team, but I'm glad he'll get a full offseason rest to go for our first repeat championship.

[pgardn]

He is a competitive SOB.

Gotta love him.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Good. Glad he knows and appreciates where he's from, but honestly, that shit was annoying.

Maybe if the Spurs could have some confidence that he would come back in tact after playing summer ball, they would allow it, but no one with a brain would make that bet.

[littlecoyotecoin]

ook at you talk fool. You'd rather he play injured, lose, maybe injure himself more, and retire from the nba and lose 7 million dollars plus maybe another 8mil2year extension all because your a fucking twat??????????

NVM. I thought you were implying he should retire to play for Argentina. Sorry lol

You misunderstood the context. But, thanks for calling me a twat.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I didn't read through every post in this thread, so perhaps it's been stated already ... but I find it a bit hypocritical of the Spurs, their medical staff, and to the fans that are criticizing Manu for allowing him to play out the Finals with this injury (considering that reports are that the injury occurred late in the Western Conference Playoffs) but using it as an excuse to keep him from playing for his National team.

For the record, I am actually glad that they are using the injury clause to prevent him from playing (and I guess it's "good business", as they are protecting their investment) because I selfishly want him to rest and heal so that he is ready for a run at a B2B Title - but I find the hypocrisy to be laughable. I guarantee that nearly every one of these posters claiming that Manu is selfish for wanting to play for Argentina would be criticizing him for not playing in the NBA Finals (considering that he could still play, and at a very high level) had the Spurs decided that the injury needed rest at that time.

[ElNono]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfslY_AvhLw

4nt75Wf6k7s

[dabom]

You misunderstood the context. But, thanks for calling me a twat.

:toast

[marinoman]

if manu plays half this board calls him an idiot, if the spurs don't let him play the other half of the board hates on the organization.

Great stuff

[littlecoyotecoin]

I didn't read through every post in this thread, so perhaps it's been stated already ... but I find it a bit hypocritical of the Spurs, their medical staff, and to the fans that are criticizing Manu for allowing him to play out the Finals with this injury (considering that reports are that the injury occurred late in the Western Conference Playoffs) but using it as an excuse to keep him from playing for his National team.

For the record, I am actually glad that they are using the injury clause to prevent him from playing (and I guess it's "good business", as they are protecting their investment) because I selfishly want him to rest and heal so that he is ready for a run at a B2B Title - but I find the hypocrisy to be laughable. I guarantee that nearly every one of these posters claiming that Manu is selfish for wanting to play for Argentina would be criticizing him for not playing in the NBA Finals (considering that he could still play, and at a very high level) had the Spurs decided that the injury needed rest at that time.

There is a little hypocrisy, but there is no injury clause for NBA teams to prevent their own players from playing for their own teams. They pay him. The NT does not. Again, Manu can play if he wants to, but he would rather keep his job. The Spurs ARE NOT preventing him from playing. Manu is making a business decision.

[dabom]

There is a little hypocrisy, but there is no injury clause for NBA teams to prevent their own players from playing for their own teams. They pay him. The NT does not. Again, Manu can play if he wants to, but he would rather keep his job. The Spurs ARE NOT preventing him from playing. Manu is making a business decision.

[ElNono]

The Spurs ARE NOT preventing him from playing.

Uh? The Spurs say "go play" and he plays. I have no problem with the Spurs deciding otherwise, but there's no need to twist things.

[Pocho La Pantera]

Halle-fucking-lujah they do exist.what?

[exstatic]

There is a little hypocrisy, but there is no injury clause for NBA teams to prevent their own players from playing for their own teams. They pay him. The NT does not. Again, Manu can play if he wants to, but he would rather keep his job. The Spurs ARE NOT preventing him from playing. Manu is making a business decision.
/thread

[jARS mEsH sEt]

what?

Don't worry about it. It's a compliment to your character.

[Kindergarten Cop]

There is a little hypocrisy, but there is no injury clause for NBA teams to prevent their own players from playing for their own teams. They pay him. The NT does not. Again, Manu can play if he wants to, but he would rather keep his job. The Spurs ARE NOT preventing him from playing. Manu is making a business decision.

You're pointing out the hypocrisy by implying that Spurs let him play with the injury while refusing to allow him to play with the same injury to represent his National team.

And you've got to be joking with the "Spurs ARE NOT preventing him from playing." remark, right?

[Kool Bob Love]

Manu did an interview some days ago, he said that he wanted to play for the NT not for patriotism or for the people demanding him to do so, but because he love the game and wanted to help his friends to get as far as possible, it´s funny how people can spin that sentiment into some kind of betrayal on the Spurs.

In my book Manu have nothing to prove to argentinian fans, but he is a grown man, he just did an amazing job to help the Spurs to get another championship, and he wants to play with his brothers, you can be pretty sure he is not happy with the spurs decision, and has nothing to do with him dissaponting fans in Argentina.

Quoted for truth. :tu

[littlecoyotecoin]

Uh? The Spurs say "go play" and he plays. I have no problem with the Spurs deciding otherwise, but there's no need to twist things.

I'm not twisting a single thing. If the most important thing to Manu is playing on the NT, he can retire from The Spurs and play. Regardless of what The Spurs say. He doesn't need their permission. What he needs permission to do is play on a broken leg and still get his seven milly. He could deal with the financial consequences later. They BOTH signed the contract. You don't get to piecemeal the parts you like.

[Kool Bob Love]

Exactly.

June 15, 2014.

It's also funny how Parker didn't get this kind of backlash playing for France after 6.

[manufan10]

Where did this influx of GNSF come from? :lol

As much as it sucks for Manu, this was a good decision by the Spurs. Manu's overall health is more important, and I'm sure Manu understands. If not, he will understand eventually.

[dabom]

You're pointing out the hypocrisy by implying that Spurs let him play with the injury while refusing to allow him to play with the same injury to represent his National team.

And you've got to be joking with the "Spurs ARE NOT preventing him from playing." remark, right?

If manu wanted to sit out due to injury during the playoffs he could have. It was HIS choice. The Spurs also had a choice and took it. Manu has the final say if he wants to play though.

[elmanutres]

Manu helps the spurs win number 5 and this is how they show their appreciation?

:(
much rather repeat than to have manu get hurt later next year and get called chokers again

[littlecoyotecoin]

You're pointing out the hypocrisy by implying that Spurs let him play with the injury while refusing to allow him to play with the same injury to represent his National team.

And you've got to be joking with the "Spurs ARE NOT preventing him from playing." remark, right?

No. It's really simple. Harsh, but simple. Don't confuse this with me suggesting he SHOULD walk away. I love the guy. But, ultimately, he, of all people, is the author of his own destiny.

[littlecoyotecoin]

June 15, 2014.

It's also funny how Parker didn't get this kind of backlash playing for France after 6.

Parker is not a 37 year old with a broken leg. C'mon.

[Kindergarten Cop]

If manu wanted to sit out due to injury during the playoffs he could have. It was HIS choice. The Spurs also had a choice and took it. Manu has the final say if he wants to play though.

Honest question for you, what would you have said if Manu WOULD have sat out the Finals (knowing that he could still likely play)? Are you honestly going to say that there would not have been a HUGE backlash - as we very likely would have lost in the Finals for the second consecutive year to the Heat.

I'm not saying that the Spurs don't have a choice, nor am I saying that they shouldn't invoke the injury clause to protect their investment - but let's drop the whole "Spurs are not preventing Manu from playing" routine.

[dg7md]

:cheer

[FireMicoHalili]

at this point everyone's just splitting hairs because the Spurs, who have the final say in the matter, have said no (at least according to Buck Harvey). Not like Manu would throw tantrums or anything. One can say this is Pop's way of shielding Manu from backlash or a ploy to protect their investment, or conspire to say the Spurs are hypocrites for letting him play in the Finals despite his injury (which was discovered upon exit interviews), but this is conjecture. I'd be more concerned as to how Ginobili reacts, and then as to how he plays during the season.

[SupremeGuy]

Honest question for you, what would you have said if Manu WOULD have sat out the Finals (knowing that he could still likely play)? Are you honestly going to say that there would not have been a HUGE backlash - as we very likely would have lost in the Finals for the second consecutive year to the Heat.

I'm not saying that the Spurs don't have a choice, nor am I saying that they shouldn't invoke the injury clause to protect their investment - but let's drop the whole "Spurs are not preventing Manu from playing" routine.The Spurs pay him, arg doesn't. It's that simple. Why do people keep recycling the same argument?


No. It's really simple. Harsh, but simple. Don't confuse this with me suggesting he SHOULD walk away. I love the guy. But, ultimately, he, of all people, is the author of his own destiny.And this, tbh. If Manu truly wanted to play he could retire from the Spurs, walk away from this year's salary, and play for argentina to his heart's content.

[Clipper Nation]

The only thing that you could say is somewhat bitchmade is the Spurs leaking out (and make no mistake, for an organization shrouded in secrecy, this is no accident) that info before Gino getting the letter and the news... especially on his birthday, tbh...

That is a dick move.... but deserved as revenge for your client bitching out the Spurs' medical staff to the media :downspin:

[UnWantedTheory]

How are they stopping him? What could they do if he really wanted to play?

[Kool Bob Love]

Parker is not a 37 year old with a broken leg. C'mon.

Didn't Parker have a hamstring issue in game 6 and 7?

than played for France and never recover to mvparker last season?

But the spurs didn't stop him from playing. Interesting.

[dabom]

That is a dick move.... but deserved as revenge for your client bitching out the Spurs' medical staff to the media :downspin:


But But But the Spurs Medical Staff is biased as fuck.

[SupremeGuy]

How are they stopping him? What could they do if he really wanted to play?Sacrifice his first born son.

[100%duncan]

You are idiots if you don't think that Pop and Manu had already talked about it even before the letter.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Didn't Parker have a hamstring issue in game 6 and 7?

than played for France and never recover to mvparker last season?

Well, yeah, but we already bitched about that. And, he's not playing this summer. So, the Parker anger has subsided. One catastrophe at a time, PUHLEEZE.

[cd98]

Dude has a stress fracture that could become a real problem if it doesn't heal properly. Players love to play, but they need clear thinking people to stop them from doing dumb things, like coming back to early to play in a meaningless tournament where most of the top US players are backing out of. Spurs medical staff is one of the best and I'm sure Manu has faith in their decision making.

besides, The Olympics are the biggest stage and he'll be free to play without Spur restrictions as he'll probably be retired from the NBA by then.

[UnWantedTheory]

That's it? Fuck that. Play Gino, play.

[littlecoyotecoin]

You are idiots if you don't think that Pop and Manu had already talked about it even before the letter.

This.

[TheyCallMePro]

June 15, 2014.

It's also funny how Parker didn't get this kind of backlash playing for France after 6.

Yup. There's a lot of hypocrisy here by the Spurs, and I'm surprised so many posters are trying to deny it. Manu had the same injury when it was still fresh during the Finals. Pop didn't sit him then.

Here's the bottom line. Manu is retiring from the Spurs after next year. And he'll go down as the second greatest Spur ever, right behind Duncan. And for the Spurs to deny him possibly his last chance of playing for his country is despicable. The Spurs are supposed to be a 'family' organization who responds to their players needs with human empathy. This was a cold and heartless decision made by the Spurs front office machine. The Spurs just treated their 2nd best player in their history like a child.

You can all celebrate this decision now. But the fact is that there WILL be bad blood between Manu and the Spurs because of this. Basketball is a mental game, especially in the playoffs. And this decision by the Spurs will hang over his head all season.

[dabom]

Yup. There's a lot of hypocrisy here by the Spurs, and I'm surprised so many posters are trying to deny it. Manu had the same injury when it was still fresh during the Finals. Pop didn't sit him then.

Here's the bottom line. Manu is retiring from the Spurs after next year. And he'll go down as the second greatest Spur ever, right behind Duncan. And for the Spurs to deny him possibly his last chance of playing for his country is despicable. The Spurs are supposed to be a 'family' organization who responds to their players needs with human empathy. This was a cold and heartless decision made by the Spurs front office machine. The Spurs just treated their 2nd best player in their history like a child.

You can all celebrate this decision now. But the fact is that there WILL be bad blood between Manu and the Spurs because of this. Basketball is a mental game, especially in the playoffs. And this decision by the Spurs will hang over his head all season.

I stopped reading after that.

[ElNono]

I'm not twisting a single thing. If the most important thing to Manu is playing on the NT, he can retire from The Spurs and play. Regardless of what The Spurs say. He doesn't need their permission. What he needs permission to do is play on a broken leg and still get his seven milly. He could deal with the financial consequences later. They BOTH signed the contract. You don't get to piecemeal the parts you like.

There's no need to entertain hypotheticals. He *is* under contract with the Spurs, and because he *is* under contract and the Spurs deem him injured, *the Spurs* have decided to not authorize him to play. Period.

If Manu wants to walk away from the last year of his deal, that's certainly an option. Although, it is more complicated than that. I think if he decides to 'retire', he can't 'unretire' and sign with another NBA team for a while. So the Spurs certainly have a lot of power in this.

Ultimately, the relationship between him and Pop is bigger than this, and I think they'll talk about this if they haven't already. I don't expect bad blood.

[UnWantedTheory]

Yup. There's a lot of hypocrisy here by the Spurs, and I'm surprised so many posters are trying to deny it. Manu had the same injury when it was still fresh during the Finals. Pop didn't sit him then.

Here's the bottom line. Manu is retiring from the Spurs after next year. And he'll go down as the second greatest Spur ever, right behind Duncan. And for the Spurs to deny him possibly his last chance of playing for his country is despicable. The Spurs are supposed to be a 'family' organization who responds to their players needs with human empathy. This was a cold and heartless decision made by the Spurs front office machine. The Spurs just treated their 2nd best player in their history like a child.

You can all celebrate this decision now. But the fact is that there WILL be bad blood between Manu and the Spurs because of this. Basketball is a mental game, especially in the playoffs. And this decision by the Spurs will hang over his head all season.
Uhhh no. Stop being such a drama queen.

[dabom]

That's it? Fuck that. Play Gino, play.

:rollin

[Kindergarten Cop]

The Spurs pay him, arg doesn't. It's that simple. Why do people keep recycling the same argument?

The NBA is FULL of players who play for the National teams during the offseason. It's not a question of "where he gets his check from", considering that every one of those other players get paid by their NBA teams yet are allowed to represent their countries. Manu is injured, correct. The Spurs can use a clause to prevent him from playing during the offseason, correct. My post that you quoted did not refute either of those at all.

It simply pointed out the hypocrisy that Manu was "allowed" to play in the Playoffs with a freshly broken leg, yet is not healthy enough to play with the same injury 2 1/2 to 3 months later.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Great news! The guy needs to rest.

Spurs have given him plenty of latitude to play for ARG during his career, but in this case he just needs to sit the fuck back and put his leg up.

[UnWantedTheory]

Sacrifice his first born son.
My point was that he is going to listen because he wants to remain employed and collect his 7 milli from a contract he signed with the team. If he truly wanted to play he would.

[ElNono]

That is a dick move.... but deserved as revenge for your client bitching out the Spurs' medical staff to the media :downspin:

truth, tbh...

[SupremeGuy]

Yup. There's a lot of hypocrisy here by the Spurs, and I'm surprised so many posters are trying to deny it. Manu had the same injury when it was still fresh during the Finals. Pop didn't sit him then.

Here's the bottom line. Manu is retiring from the Spurs after next year. And he'll go down as the second greatest Spur ever, right behind Duncan. And for the Spurs to deny him possibly his last chance of playing for his country is despicable. The Spurs are supposed to be a 'family' organization who responds to their players needs with human empathy. This was a cold and heartless decision made by the Spurs front office machine. The Spurs just treated their 2nd best player in their history like a child.

You can all celebrate this decision now. But the fact is that there WILL be bad blood between Manu and the Spurs because of this. Basketball is a mental game, especially in the playoffs. And this decision by the Spurs will hang over his head all season.Holy shit please tell me you're an argentina homer because that's just a stupid comment to make unless you're blinded by 3rd world country pride.

[UnWantedTheory]

The NBA is FULL of players who play for the National teams during the offseason. It's not a question of "where he gets his check from", considering that every one of those other players get paid by their NBA teams yet are allowed to represent their countries. Manu is injured, correct. The Spurs can use a clause to prevent him from playing during the offseason, correct. My post that you quoted did not refute either of those at all.

It simply pointed out the hypocrisy that Manu was "allowed" to play in the Playoffs with a freshly broken leg, yet is not healthy enough to play with the same injury 2 1/2 to 3 months later.
You call it hypocrisy, I call it good business.

[SupremeGuy]

The NBA is FULL of players who play for the National teams during the offseason. It's not a question of "where he gets his check from", considering that every one of those other players get paid by their NBA teams yet are allowed to represent their countries. Manu is injured, correct. The Spurs can use a clause to prevent him from playing during the offseason, correct. My post that you quoted did not refute either of those at all.

It simply pointed out the hypocrisy that Manu was "allowed" to play in the Playoffs with a freshly broken leg, yet is not healthy enough to play with the same injury 2 1/2 to 3 months later.Because the Spurs PAY him and argentina doesn't...

One team PAYS him to play...

One team doesn't...

That's not hypocrisy. That's called earning your paycheck.

[littlecoyotecoin]

I stopped reading after that.

I think he is the second greatest ever, too, call me crazy, but I am still tired of this schtick when things don't go the internationals' way, they want to start renegotiating contracts and throwing teams under the bus.

[100%duncan]

There is no need for discussion tbh :lol

1. Manu is injured.
2. Holt pays him.
3. He's freaking 37 years old.
4. Like OV said, Argentina should start looking for some younger players.
5. And lastly, shame on that NT for pressuring him even after knowing he was injured.

[SupremeGuy]

My point was that he is going to listen because he wants to remain employed and collect his 7 milli from a contract he signed with the team. If he truly wanted to play he would.Yup.

[Clipper Nation]

And he'll go down as the second greatest Spur ever, right behind Duncan.

:lmao Did Robinson, Gervin, Elliott and Kenon stop existing or something?

[Kool Bob Love]

Holy shit please tell me you're an argentina homer because that's just a stupid comment to make unless you're blinded by 3rd world country pride.


Did Robinson, Gervin, Elliott and Kenon stop existing or something?


Did you not watch game 5 of the 2014 nba finals?

i respect the older spurs but Robinson and iceman couldn't dream of doing something like that in the FINALS.

Manu 4
Robinson 2
Iceman 0

[Kindergarten Cop]

You call it hypocrisy, I call it good business.

I actually called it both in post #146.


I didn't read through every post in this thread, so perhaps it's been stated already ... but I find it a bit hypocritical of the Spurs, their medical staff, and to the fans that are criticizing Manu for allowing him to play out the Finals with this injury (considering that reports are that the injury occurred late in the Western Conference Playoffs) but using it as an excuse to keep him from playing for his National team.

For the record, I am actually glad that they are using the injury clause to prevent him from playing (and I guess it's "good business", as they are protecting their investment) because I selfishly want him to rest and heal so that he is ready for a run at a B2B Title - but I find the hypocrisy to be laughable. I guarantee that nearly every one of these posters claiming that Manu is selfish for wanting to play for Argentina would be criticizing him for not playing in the NBA Finals (considering that he could still play, and at a very high level) had the Spurs decided that the injury needed rest at that time.

[ElNono]

There is no need for discussion tbh :lol

1. Manu is injured.
2. Holt pays him.
3. He's freaking 37 years old.
4. Like OV said, Argentina should start looking for some younger players.
5. And lastly, shame on that NT for pressuring him even after knowing he was injured.

You were doing good until the bolded. Nobody pressure him. He wanted (wants) to play.
He went to see a specialist in Chicago before even going to Argentina. He just wanted to make this his farewell with the NT.

[Cherry]

Good news, IMO... fuck ARG reaction, tbh...

[dabom]

Did you not watch game 5 of the 2014 nba finals?

i respect the older spurs but Robinson and iceman couldn't dream of doing something like that in the FINALS.

Manu 4
Robinson 2
Iceman 0

Sorry fucking retards, but If I could pick a young DRob or Young Manu to play with old TD, I'm picking DROB you stupid fucktards.

[littlecoyotecoin]

The NBA is FULL of players who play for the National teams during the offseason. It's not a question of "where he gets his check from", considering that every one of those other players get paid by their NBA teams yet are allowed to represent their countries. Manu is injured, correct. The Spurs can use a clause to prevent him from playing during the offseason, correct. My post that you quoted did not refute either of those at all.

It simply pointed out the hypocrisy that Manu was "allowed" to play in the Playoffs with a freshly broken leg, yet is not healthy enough to play with the same injury 2 1/2 to 3 months later.

Of course it does, and more importantly, whether he wants to keep getting the check and playing with us. It's called nut cuttin' time, and I am glad that I think Manu will handle it better than a bunch of you guys.

[Kool Bob Love]

Because the Spurs PAY him and argentina doesn't...

One team PAYS him to play...

One team doesn't...

That's not hypocrisy. That's called earning your paycheck.
Pay him DURING the season. It's the off-season. Spurs have no say unless it's in that contract Manu sign.

[100%duncan]

You were doing good until the bolded. Nobody pressure him. He wanted (wants) to play.
He went to see a specialist in Chicago to before even going to Argentina. He just wanted to make this his farewell with the NT.

Cmon son, if the NT just told him to rest and that they understood from the start, it would have been easier for Manu and he himself would've decided and this "letter thing" wouldn't have happened.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Because the Spurs PAY him and argentina doesn't...

One team PAYS him to play...

One team doesn't...

That's not hypocrisy. That's called earning your paycheck.

It is the TRUEST definition of hypocrisy, regardless of your regurgitating of where his pay check comes from. How can you not see that? I've said that I am actually GLAD that they are making him rest and invoking their right to refuse him to play this summer - but that does not take away the hypocrisy that you highlighted in the statement above.

[100%duncan]

:lmao Did Robinson, Gervin, Elliott and Kenon stop existing or something?

Robinson>Manu=Gervin>Elliott>Kenon.

[TheyCallMePro]

I stopped reading after that.

And why's that?

[Juggity]

Yup. There's a lot of hypocrisy here by the Spurs, and I'm surprised so many posters are trying to deny it. Manu had the same injury when it was still fresh during the Finals. Pop didn't sit him then.

The spurs did not know Manu had a leg fracture during the finals. It was discovered much later (weeks?).



Here's the bottom line. Manu is retiring from the Spurs after next year. And he'll go down as the second greatest Spur ever, right behind Duncan.

Come on. He's not better than Drob or Gervin. That's ridiculous. You need to let this go. The spurs have let Manu play for his national team 6 or 7 times over the course of his career. They would let him play this year if he wasn't seriously injured.

[dabom]

David Robinson is a top 15 player while Manu is a top 50 player at best.

[ElNono]

Cmon son, if the NT just told him to rest and that they understood from the start, it would have been easier for Manu and he himself would've decided and this "letter thing" wouldn't have happened.

Him and Scola have more power there than the coach or anybody else in the Confederation. The coach has been waiting since last March for him to make up his mind on what he wants to do.

[littlecoyotecoin]

There's no need to entertain hypotheticals. He *is* under contract with the Spurs, and because he *is* under contract and the Spurs deem him injured, *the Spurs* have decided to not authorize him to play. Period.

If Manu wants to walk away from the last year of his deal, that's certainly an option. Although, it is more complicated than that. I think if he decides to 'retire', he can't 'unretire' and sign with another NBA team for a while. So the Spurs certainly have a lot of power in this.

Ultimately, the relationship between him and Pop is bigger than this, and I think they'll talk about this if they haven't already. I don't expect bad blood.

The fact that he can play if he wants to is not a hypothetical.

[ElNono]

What should've happened is Manu saying he's injured and he was not going to play. But he wanted to play, so he was hoping for a miracle that didn't happen.

I'm good with the Spurs decision. It's the right decision.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Of course it does, and more importantly, whether he wants to keep getting the check and playing with us. It's called nut cuttin' time, and I am glad that I think Manu will handle it better than a bunch of you guys.

Don't clump me in to the group that think that there will be bad blood or ill feelings between Manu and the Spurs, because I don't believe for one second there will be. I know that both sides understand the opposite's desires and reasoning - and everything will be cool when camp opens up (especially after #5).

[SupremeGuy]

Pay him DURING the season. It's the off-season. Spurs have no say unless it's in that contract Manu sign.Apparently they do have say so what exactly is your argument?

[mystargtr34]

Robinson>Manu=Gervin>Elliott>Kenon.

Robinson>>>Gervin>Manu>Elliott.

Who the fuck is Kenon :lol?

[ElNono]

The fact that he can play if he wants to is not a hypothetical.

The fact that he's under contract with the Spurs and not 'retired' makes it a hypothetical, and that puts the decision, under the current circumstances, squarely on the Spurs.

Could he walk away from his current deal? Possibly. It that an hypothetical? Absolutely.

[dabom]

And why's that?

David Robinson is a top 15 player while Manu is a top 50 player at best.

[anakha]

:lmao at anyone suggesting Ginobili > Robinson.

[Kool Bob Love]

:lmao at anyone suggesting Ginobili > Robinson.


David Robinson is a top 15 player while Manu is a top 50 player at best.



http://youtu.be/hW4uXlRGAF0

Thank goodness Duncan got pick by the spurs.

[Kindergarten Cop]

The spurs did not know Manu had a leg fracture during the finals. It was discovered much later (weeks?).

Reports came out after the Finals (perhaps to hide/protect the injury from the opposition) that the Spurs knew that the injury happened late in the Western Playoffs (likely against OKC).

[littlecoyotecoin]

David Robinson is a top 15 player while Manu is a top 50 player at best.

Manu will forever be underrated. There was once a list showing him ahead of Jordan, Bird, etc. in playoff winning percentage. He is a stud. David is 2b in my book, but no reason to be such a hardass over it. David just didn't have the passion, drive, and basketball savvy Manu does. They're both great men. Those lists are always subjective. Wait until someone breaks into your house before you break out the hardware.

[TheyCallMePro]

If I was Manu I'd call the Spurs bluff. Appeal the decision, claim they're lying about me not being healthy enough and the extent of the injury, and see if the Spurs DARE to try to fight the most beloved Spur of all time on this issue.

Manu deserves the support of the Spurs. If he fights this, the organization would concede.

And what's this shit about disputing the fact that Manu is the 2nd best Spur of all time??? Drob was great, but he was humbled by Hakeem and never got anything done in the playoffs. Manu is a 4 time Champion, and has been the heart and soul of this franchise for the last decade. The Big 3 are the Spurs 3 best players of all time. Tim #1, Manu #2, and Parker close behind at #3.

[littlecoyotecoin]

The fact that he's under contract with the Spurs and not 'retired' makes it a hypothetical, and that puts the decision, under the current circumstances, squarely on the Spurs.

Could he walk away from his current deal? Possibly. It that an hypothetical? Absolutely.

The fact that he has that OPTION is not a hypothetical. He can play if he wants.

[100%duncan]

Robinson>>>Gervin>Manu>Elliott.

Who the fuck is Kenon :lol?

Same sentiments.

[Kindergarten Cop]

If I was Manu I'd call the Spurs bluff. Appeal the decision, claim they're lying about me not being healthy enough and the extent of the injury, and see if the Spurs DARE to try to fight the most beloved Spur of all time on this issue.

Manu deserves the support of the Spurs. If he fights this, the organization would concede.

And what's this shit about disputing the fact that Manu is the 2nd best Spur of all time??? Drob was great, but he was humbled by Hakeem and never got anything done in the playoffs. Manu is a 4 time Champion, and has been the heart and soul of this franchise for the last decade. The Big 3 are the Spurs 3 best players of all time. Tim #1, Manu #2, and Parker close behind at #3.

Did you mean to use the blue font?

[100%duncan]

IMHO, one can certainly put a strong case that Manu>Gervin as a Spur. Right or wrong?

[ElNono]

If I was Manu I'd call the Spurs bluff. Appeal the decision, claim they're lying about me not being healthy enough and the extent of the injury, and see if the Spurs DARE to try to fight the most beloved Spur of all time on this issue.

There's a rumor going around that he will try to talk to Pop and RC, and that there might be one more round to this. I just think that at some point he needs to snap out of it, and realize this is the best not just for the Spurs but for him.

[UnWantedTheory]

I actually called it both in post #146.
My bad home slice. But stop guessing it is good business and just believe it is. Happy thoughts Peter, happy thoughts!

[Juggity]

Reports came out after the Finals (perhaps to hide/protect the injury from the opposition) that the Spurs knew that the injury happened late in the Western Playoffs (likely against OKC).

Who reported that? I never heard that they knew he had a leg fracture during the finals. I'm sure they knew he had some wear-and-tear type issues, but if they had known it was as serious as a leg fracture I have to think they would have stopped him from playing.

[anakha]

If I was Manu I'd call the Spurs bluff. Appeal the decision, claim they're lying about me not being healthy enough and the extent of the injury, and see if the Spurs DARE to try to fight the most beloved Spur of all time on this issue.

Manu deserves the support of the Spurs. If he fights this, the organization would concede.

And what's this shit about disputing the fact that Manu is the 2nd best Spur of all time??? Drob was great, but he was humbled by Hakeem and never got anything done in the playoffs. Manu is a 4 time Champion, and has been the heart and soul of this franchise for the last decade. The Big 3 are the Spurs 3 best players of all time. Tim #1, Manu #2, and Parker close behind at #3.

If I were to guess, I'd say you started following the Spurs in the 2000s.

[ElNono]

The fact that he has that OPTION is not a hypothetical. He can play if he wants.

He would need to exercise that option for it NOT to be an hypothetical. Until then, he cannot play because the Spurs don't want him to play (which is fine by me).

[Kindergarten Cop]

The fact that he has that OPTION is not a hypothetical. He can play if he wants.

It is an "OPTION" that I could quit my job, give my house away, and take my family and live in a van DOWN BY THE RIVER - but considering that that would not be a very good decision for anyone involved, it's not really a true "OPTION". But I could do it if I wanted to.

[dabom]

http://youtu.be/hW4uXlRGAF0

Thank goodness Duncan got pick by the spurs.

Maybe I should post all the playoff series Manu has cost the Spurs, but I ain't some stupid fuck that is blinded by homerism.
Manu is my favorite fucking player but to say he is better than David Robinson is fucking idiotic.

[Kindergarten Cop]

My bad home slice. But stop guessing it is good business and just believe it is. Happy thoughts Peter, happy thoughts!

:toast

[ElNono]

Who reported that? I never heard that they knew he had a leg fracture during the finals. I'm sure they knew he had some wear-and-tear type issues, but if they had known it was as serious as a leg fracture I have to think they would have stopped him from playing.

There were actually reports (and some posters actually pointed it out) that he was limping noticeably after Game 3 and 4 of the Finals...

[Mikeanaro]

WONT PLAYYYYYY!!!!
http://blog.boundarybathrooms.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/dumb-and-dumber-toilet-scene2.jpg

[100%duncan]

Manu had to play in the Finals even if they knew he was injured. :lol

Stop defending him seriously.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Who reported that? I never heard that they knew he had a leg fracture during the finals. I'm sure they knew he had some wear-and-tear type issues, but if they had known it was as serious as a leg fracture I have to think they would have stopped him from playing.

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2014/07/02/report-ginobili-likely-to-miss-world-cup-with-stress-fracture/

"The fracture was discovered during a routine postseason physical, according to a league source, and began bothering the 36-year-old guard at some point during the Spurs’ run in Western Conference playoffs. By the end of the Spurs’ march to a championship, Ginobili could often be seen limping noticeably after games."

http://deadspin.com/did-manu-ginobili-dunk-on-chris-bosh-with-a-stress-frac-1599437065

"Spurs Nation narrowed down that "late in San Antonio's championship season" with a source who said Ginobili played with a stress fracture in his leg through at least the Finals. So, yes, old-ass Manu Ginobili, with a fractured leg, dunked on Chris Bosh. Damn, Manu."

[littlecoyotecoin]

If I was Manu I'd call the Spurs bluff. Appeal the decision, claim they're lying about me not being healthy enough and the extent of the injury, and see if the Spurs DARE to try to fight the most beloved Spur of all time on this issue.

Manu deserves the support of the Spurs. If he fights this, the organization would concede.

And what's this shit about disputing the fact that Manu is the 2nd best Spur of all time??? Drob was great, but he was humbled by Hakeem and never got anything done in the playoffs. Manu is a 4 time Champion, and has been the heart and soul of this franchise for the last decade. The Big 3 are the Spurs 3 best players of all time. Tim #1, Manu #2, and Parker close behind at #3.

And, that's not even to mention what he did internationally. But, dude, c'mon. I can't be seen with you in public when you say "The Most Beloved Spur Of All Time". At that point, you're just smokin' basketball crack. And, he would lose the appeal.

[ElNono]

DRob was the franchise before Tim was here...

Manu is top 5 all time in the Spurs, and for a kid that comes from the ass side of the world, that's frankly amazing. He did everything with hard, hard work and basketball smarts. He wasn't blessed with an out of this world body or athleticism, and yet he managed to be at the top of the game. He will be missed when he hangs them up and the Spurs will be worse for it. But father time is undefeated.

[dabom]

And, that's not even to mention what he did internationally. But, dude, c'mon. I can't be seen with you in public when you say "The Most Beloved Spur Of All Time". At that point, you're just smokin' basketball crack. And, he would lose the appeal.

:rollin

Some dudes are seriously on crack today with these stupid comments.

[Kool Bob Love]

:rollin

Some dudes are seriously on crack today with these stupid comments.

David a top 5 spurs but top 15 all time? Boi.:lol

[littlecoyotecoin]

Pay him DURING the season. It's the off-season. Spurs have no say unless it's in that contract Manu sign.

It IS in the contract, that's why all the crying.

[littlecoyotecoin]

It is the TRUEST definition of hypocrisy, regardless of your regurgitating of where his pay check comes from. How can you not see that? I've said that I am actually GLAD that they are making him rest and invoking their right to refuse him to play this summer - but that does not take away the hypocrisy that you highlighted in the statement above.

The boss gets to be hypocritical. Fuckers wearing jeans on no jeans day, taking home free pizzas, having sex in the copy room. Welcome to the real world.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Don't clump me in to the group that think that there will be bad blood or ill feelings between Manu and the Spurs, because I don't believe for one second there will be. I know that both sides understand the opposite's desires and reasoning - and everything will be cool when camp opens up (especially after #5).

I just think you're not handling it well.

[slick'81]

And of course it turns into a Manu is better than Robinson thread lmao

[SupremeGuy]

It IS in the contract, that's why all the crying.Because it's too complicated for some people to understand.

[cd98]

Popularity-wise, Manu is one if the top 3 Spurs. I would never disrespect Manu's game as he has a unique game that we won't see again for another 30 years. But David Robinson is on another level. We haven't seen a big man that can do the things he did. Just bc Hakeem, another rare superstar got the better of him in a playoff series shouldn't sully David's outstanding career. We wouldn't win 1999 without David. That said, as a person, I consider Manu his equal, which is probably the best compliment.

[Kindergarten Cop]

The boss gets to be hypocritical. Fuckers wearing jeans on no jeans day, taking home free pizzas, having sex in the copy room. Welcome to the real world.

Again - I'm not saying that I don't understand it or that I don't approve of it, but there is no denying that the hypocrisy exists. That's all I'm saying.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Can't we just love them all? :lmao

[littlecoyotecoin]

Robinson>>>Gervin>Manu>Elliott.

Who the fuck is Kenon :lol?

I love Ice, but he was The Spurs Iverson.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I just think you're not handling it well.

:huh