Building a gaming system

[baseline bum]

Ah didn't realize the gap between releases was that large. Are you going with the 1080 or 1070?

I'm still going to wait to see how AMD answers with Vega and how much a difference HBM2 is going to make. If I go Nvidia I'll probably go 1080 though unless the 1070 is lightly cut down like 970 was vs 980, or even better if it's barely cut down like 670 vs 680.

[Cry Havoc]

I'm still going to wait to see how AMD answers with Vega and how much a difference HBM2 is going to make. If I go Nvidia I'll probably go 1080 though unless the 1070 is lightly cut down like 970 was vs 980, or even better if it's barely cut down like 670 vs 680.

This is the route I'm going as well.

It would be funny as fuck to watch you guys flip your shits if I bought a 1080. :lmao

[baseline bum]

This is the route I'm going as well.

It would be funny as fuck to watch you guys flip your shits if I bought a 1080. :lmao

If you buy a 1080, :cry RIP AMD :cry

I say that because if AMD can't deliver this generation with their gpus and with Zen the company is probably going to go bankrupt. They have enormous debt payments due in 2019 and their market share in both cpu and gpu is horrible. I don't think they're making a whole lot off the consoles they power. Vega is going to have to mop the floor with the 1080 for similar price (eg within $100 or so) for me to take the risk because of this, I'm scared they're going to have to start mass layoffs in a year or two or that they'll declare bankruptcy and have Intel, Samsung, and Nvidia picking over their IP. I can't imagine how bad the driver support is going to be if their cards and cpus don't turn the company around this year.

[DJR210]

This is the route I'm going as well.

It would be funny as fuck to watch you guys flip your shits if I bought a 1080. :lmao

Don't get an Nvidia TBH, we need at least one AMD fanboy to mention as the butt of all AMD jokes

[baseline bum]

Don't get an Nvidia TBH, we need at least one AMD fanboy to mention as the butt of all AMD jokes

Console peasants can be considered AMD fanboys though.

[baseline bum]

AC Brotherhood just makes me want to smash my fucking controller with the instant fail missions any time I'm detected. I don't think I have had a game piss me off since the Super Nintendo, but this game is frustrating as hell.

[baseline bum]

Damn the 1080 looks pretty disappointing for overclocking. At stock it beats a stock 980 Ti by roughly 25-30% in games, but if you overclock to 2 GHz and match it against a 1500 MHz 980 Ti (a pretty achieveable OC with some of the better models) the OC 1080 only wins by about 15% over the OC 980 Ti. This guy pulled the card apart and slapped a water cooler on it and didn't get much extra out of it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-3fi1ovAP0

[Wild Cobra]

The semiconductor industry is at another technological wall. They have only been making minor progress in speeds. Transistors can only switch so fast.

I'll bet they will do better on games that implement newer features in the card, as it is probably streamlined to handle certain instructions faster.

But then... I am only guessing at that.

[baseline bum]

The semiconductor industry is at another technological wall. They have only been making minor progress in speeds. Transistors can only switch so fast.

I'll bet they will do better on games that implement newer features in the card, as it is probably streamlined to handle certain instructions faster.

But then... I am only guessing at that.

This generation the clockspeed improved by something like 400 MHz vs last, but they definitely had to sacrifice some in the clocks per instruction to bring back all of the compute power they stripped out of Kepler (two generations back) when they moved to Maxwell (previous generation). AMD has been hammering Maxwell in games with lots of compute heavy effects. In this comparison video are the GTX 970 and R9 390, which sold for the same price and were generally on par with each other in DX11 games:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK2BUeYqLVI

[TDMVPDPOY]

hey if u had the option of same price budget, would u op for a smaller ips panel vs 34inch tn panel? both have same specs resolution 1440 and 144mhz refresh rate...

[DJR210]

hey if u had the option of same price budget, would u op for a smaller ips panel vs 34inch tn panel? both have same specs resolution 1440 and 144mhz refresh rate...

Definitely. IPS is leagues better than TN.. Took me a long time to get used to my TN G-Sync panel, not to mention how much tweaking to the colors before you finally find a setting you can settle for. The only drawback to IPS is the refresh speed, and tbh, my panel is 1ms, and it hasn't gotten me any better on any first person shooters. 3-5 ms GTG refresh is perfectly fine, and tbh I can't notice a difference.

[baseline bum]

Man this 1080 Founders Edition throttles like hell after about 10 minutes of gaming, reference cards are such shit. I can't believe this bitch throttles at 80C. Anyone who buys a Founders Edition 1080 at $700 or Founders Edition 1070 at $450 is retarded.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr2MqPcAtnk

Thankfully when EVGA slaps on their ACX cooler, MSI their TwinFrozr, Gigabyte their Windforce cooler, etc, this thermal throttling should be eliminated.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Man this 1080 Founders Edition throttles like hell after about 10 minutes of gaming, reference cards are such shit. I can't believe this bitch throttles at 80C. Anyone who buys a Founders Edition 1080 at $700 or Founders Edition 1070 at $450 is retarded.

Thankfully when EVGA slaps on their ACX cooler, MSI their TwinFrozr, Gigabyte their Windforce cooler, etc, this thermal throttling should be eliminated.

1080
1080FE

so what happens when nvidia releases the TI and GTX version? that TI specs/price>fe or more expensive?

[baseline bum]

LOL this is painful hearing Nvidia try to explain why they're charging $100 over MSRP for a reference card.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNCfn4y8dBw

Hearing them talk about how good the board is is fucking hilarious. Nvidia reference boards always suck, and this one is no exception with its shitty power delivery that seems to be limiting overclocking. And then the terrible cooler. Damn a $100 premium for the worst version of the card. I really hope the AIBs like EVGA, Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, and so on aren't going to be able to charge $700 for the good versions of the card. Typically the nicer aftermarket cards are anywhere from $20-$50 more than reference and you don't go way above unless you're buying really high end boards like EVGA Classified or EVGA K|NGP|N with cherry picked chips. But damn if cards like the Gigabyte G1 Gaming or the EVGA FTW are $100 more than MSRP.
:pctoss

ElNono man, tell me you're not dying laughing at the idea of a huge price premium for the loudest, hottest, and shittiest versions of the cards. :lol

[ElNono]

LOL this is painful hearing Nvidia try to explain why they're charging $100 over MSRP for a reference card.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNCfn4y8dBw

Hearing them talk about how good the board is is fucking hilarious. Nvidia reference boards always suck, and this one is no exception with its shitty power delivery that seems to be limiting overclocking. And then the terrible cooler. Damn a $100 premium for the worst version of the card. I really hope the AIBs like EVGA, Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, and so on aren't going to be able to charge $700 for the good versions of the card. Typically the nicer aftermarket cards are anywhere from $20-$50 more than reference and you don't go way above unless you're buying really high end boards like EVGA Classified or EVGA K|NGP|N with cherry picked chips. But damn if cards like the Gigabyte G1 Gaming or the EVGA FTW are $100 more than MSRP.
:pctoss

ElNono man, tell me you're not dying laughing at the idea of a huge price premium for the loudest, hottest, and shittiest versions of the cards. :lol

I never buy reference. Heck, wait it out 4-5 months and you'll hit a deal on a "premium" model from EVGA or Gigabyte. I'll normally wait to see what's available in Black Friday. I'm happy with my 960 and 970 ATM...

It's really until "mega game x" needs one of this to run great, otherwise it can wait. Now, this year we're going to be doing some 4k dev for the Neo, so I might have to plunge sooner to test 4k under Windows, but it's only probably gonna be for work. Even in that case, it can wait for another 2-3 months easily.

[baseline bum]

I never buy reference. Heck, wait it out 4-5 months and you'll hit a deal on a "premium" model from EVGA or Gigabyte. I'll normally wait to see what's available in Black Friday. I'm happy with my 960 and 970 ATM...

It's really until "mega game x" needs one of this to run great, otherwise it can wait. Now, this year we're going to be doing some 4k dev for the Neo, so I might have to plunge sooner to test 4k under Windows, but it's only probably gonna be for work. Even in that case, it can wait for another 2-3 months easily.

It's disappointing that the only cards that look like they're coming out soon are shitty reference boards for $100 extra.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&N=8000&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=PPSSVYJXPPLKEI

I hope they don't pull that shit with the 1070 since I was recommending RandomGuy wait until June 10th for that card, as Nvidia claims Titan X performance for $380 MSRP. But if it's only Founders Edition 1070s for $450 that takes a lot of the value away. I don't anticipate AMD's Polaris 10 being able to compete with the 1070 with only a 232mm^2 die (1070/1080 is 314mm^2), but that might offer R9 390 performance for cheaper than the 390.

[baseline bum]

RandomGuy, June 1st is when we should find out about AMD's Polaris 10 cards at Computex, they have an official press event (http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2170028) for the cards. I would guess they'll be out pretty soon after to try to maximize the time they can sell in that midrange price bracket (where they should murder the GTX 960) before Nvidia releases the GTX 1060 to compete with it. I imagine they won't be anywhere near as powerful as the GTX 1070, so AMD is going to have to price them pretty aggressively I anticipate. Though we haven't heard a lot of rumors about Polaris yet like we did the Nvidia 1080 over the weeks before it was officially announced.

[DMX7]

Definitely. IPS is leagues better than TN.. Took me a long time to get used to my TN G-Sync panel, not to mention how much tweaking to the colors before you finally find a setting you can settle for. The only drawback to IPS is the refresh speed, and tbh, my panel is 1ms, and it hasn't gotten me any better on any first person shooters. 3-5 ms GTG refresh is perfectly fine, and tbh I can't notice a difference.

They really shouldn't even be selling TN panels anymore. In general, they suck badly.

[baseline bum]

They really shouldn't even be selling TN panels anymore. In general, they suck badly.

TN is good for gaming on smaller panels (say 24 inches), especially because of the response time. For a larger panel (27 inches or more) the viewing angles become a real problem and IPS is worlds better.

[DMX7]

TN is good for gaming on smaller panels (say 24 inches), especially because of the response time. For a larger panel (27 inches or more) the viewing angles become a real problem and IPS is worlds better.

It's not just viewing angles. Color accuracy seem so much better on IPS as well.

[baseline bum]

RandomGuy man, this is pretty exciting news about the upcoming Polaris 10 GPU. AMD Polaris 67DF:C7 looks like it could be a really nice card to look at too, if this leaked benchmark putting it in between the GTX 980 and R9 Fury is accurate. AMD has already officially said these cards will be less than $300, that the sub $300 price point was what they were targeting with Polaris in an effort to expand the total accessible market for VR. R9 Fury and GTX 980 are $500 cards.

http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2016/05/AMD-Radeon-R9-480-3DMark11-Performance.png

This looks like it would be about a 20% gain in performance for $30 less than the R9 390 at much lower power consumption. The $30 who cares, but 20% is a lot for a gpu. And then double the vram too.

[Cry Havoc]

Polaris looks like a beast.

[baseline bum]

Polaris looks like a beast.

I really have a hard time believing it's going to be almost on par with their 596mm^2 Fiji chip at 232mm^2, but if so holy shit Vega will be killer.

[Cry Havoc]

As always though, show me the in game numbers.

[DJR210]

It's not just viewing angles. Color accuracy seem so much better on IPS as well.

I have to turn up Nvidia's vibrance in the settings to get colors that look like they do default on my Dell IPS

[DJR210]

Splinter Cell: Blacklist.. New voice actor aside, great fucking game.. Executing a perfect ghost run is hard af. Game runs great too, averaging about 115 FPS with everything but AA maxed

[baseline bum]

RandomGuy, here is the first leak I have seen for GTX 1070 performance. Their GTX 1080 leak I posted here (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260263&page=2&p=8584126&viewfull=1#post8584126) was absolutely dead on the money from what the reviewers found when their reviews were actually published a few days later.

http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2016/05/GeForce-GTX-1070-3DMark-FireStrike-Performance.png

This is going to be a hell of a deal at $380 I think. Two caveats:

(1) Nvidia will release a Founders Edition card June 10th at $450, and that will likely be the only one available June 10th. I'm not sure if the Founders Edition cards will all be $450, or just the ones sold directly through Nvidia. The Founders Edition card will likely suck for overclocking like the Founders Edition 1080 does. These reference cards (what Nvidia called them before they made up the Founders Edition name and jacked up the price) generally don't have good enough power delivery to give much of an overclock. Aftermarket cards will correct this (Gigabyte G1 Gaming and EVGA FTW are very good), but they may not be out for a month or two after the GTX 1070 launch because Nvidia wants to keep their cards close and prevent leaks (looks like they have failed there though), and the add in board manufacturers like EVGA, Asus, and Gigabyte probably won't have full info about the GTX 1070's chip until close to launch. The Founders Edition cards should be fine if you don't want to OC, especially considering the GTX 1070 is a 150W card vs the 180W GTX 1080 is rated at. But you're paying that $70 price premium in basically an early adopters tax. :pctoss

(2) The GTX 1070s are going to sell out very fast any time anyone gets them in stock, so if you want one and see it in stock at newegg, amazon, frys, or another store you trust, get it.

[DJR210]

Imma throw one on the Best Buy card whenever they get it

[baseline bum]

Imma throw one on the Best Buy card whenever they get it

:cry No CODEX for hardware :cry

[baseline bum]

Hopefully I'm wrong and we see aftermarket cards quickly after launch like we did with the 970 and 980 in September 2014. For those two there were a ton of aftermarket cards on launch day.

[baseline bum]

ElNono man, I saw your video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyGK6YPHWd8

Can you PM me your 1070 results when Nvidia sends you the review sample? Thanks.

[baseline bum]

Looks like Witcher 3 is finally getting that E3-level graphics upgrade in the new DLC


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGOFYxY2oHk

[baseline bum]

Holy shit the EVGA GTX 1080 SC ACX 3.0 is ugly as fuck.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjZN-tkVEAERlKI.jpg

I'm a little disappointed to see it only has the 8-pin for power. I was hoping for an 8+6 which might indicate they put really strong power delivery in it. I bet it uses the reference Nvidia board like the early GTX 980 ACX 2.0 cards did last generation.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjZW60vUoAACDKF.jpg

[baseline bum]

Yeah, it's a reference board.

http://hothardware.com/ContentImages/NewsItem/37518/content/big_evga-1080-sc-3.jpg

You can tell from the Nvidia logo on the board just above the PCIE connector. An EVGA board would have the EVGA logo on the board instead like in this pic.

https://www.allhdd.com/images/detailed/495/36_3wcl-yo.jpg

I guess it's not surprising this early on we'd see only reference boards.

[Cry Havoc]

Holy shit the EVGA GTX 1080 SC ACX 3.0 is ugly as fuck.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjZN-tkVEAERlKI.jpg

I'm a little disappointed to see it only has the 8-pin for power. I was hoping for an 8+6 which might indicate they put really strong power delivery in it. I bet it uses the reference Nvidia board like the early GTX 980 ACX 2.0 cards did last generation.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjZW60vUoAACDKF.jpg

:lol the fuck were they thinking?

I mean at the end of the day it's just an aesthetic on something you're only gonna see a few times a year, but it's the idea behind it... it doesn't really sell itself like a new piece of tech should.

When I took my tri-x 290x out of the package it was fucking glorious. :lol

http://www.vortez.net/articles_file/27413_sapphire-r9-290x-tri-x-intro.jpg

[baseline bum]

The EVGA GTX 1080 FTW uses a dual 8-pin, so it must have a custom PCB. This will probably be one of the best air cooled 1080s.

http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2016/05/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-1080-FTW-VC-2-900x488.jpg

[baseline bum]

Shit, the EVGA GTX 1080 FTW is going to be $680, and the EVGA GTX 1080 ACX 3.0 will be $650. What a ripoff. The Asus Strix GTX 1080 looks like it'll be a great deal at $620 though, especially looking at the pcb here, looks like it's going to have really robust power delivery:

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/ASUS-ROG-STRIX-GTX-1080-PCB.jpg

And the three fan cooler should keep thermal throttling from being a problem.

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/ASUS-ROG-STRIX-GeForce-GTX-1080_4-635x330.jpg

[baseline bum]

RandomGuy, looks like promising news on the GTX 1080 prices. There was a lot of concern that with Nvidia charging $100 over MSRP for the worst version of the card (the Founders Edition, aka reference model) the good versions of the card would have that price premium over MSRP too. That thankfully hasn't been the case so far. For Asus their Strix 1080 is $620 for the standard model and $640 for the version with a factory overclock. For EVGA their ACX 3.0 is $650, their FTW is $680, and their Classified looks to be $700 (the Classified cards are extremely high end and meant for serious overclocking with water cooling and even liquid nitrogen). These cards should be releasing in a week or two, so that's more good news. No worries about waiting a month after launch to see good aftermarket cards hit the market. These aftermarket cards are way better because:

1. They run cooler, so you won't have to worry about the card slowing itself down to keep from overheating like the Founders Edition cards need to do.

2. They often have much better power delivery, so you won't run into voltage limits as quickly when overclocking. With that said, EVGA ACX 3.0 looks like it has the same weak power delivery as the Founders Editions. The Asus Strix, EVGA FTW, and MSI TwinFrozr cards look to have much more robust power delivery.

3. They run a lot quieter while also cooling better. Blower style cards like the Founders Edition have only one fan that has to run at a very high RPM to suck air in through the bottom and eject it out the back of the case. But these aftermarket cards blow hot air off the gpu and into your case. It sounds bad, and it is if you have a small case with bad airflow. Your case, the Phanteks Enthoo Pro, is huge and has great airflow, so that heat expelled from your gpu an into the case will be carried away and outside the case pretty efficiently by the channel of air you case has from the big 200 mm front intake fan and the 140 mm back exhaust fan already in it. So these axial fan aftermarket cards are far better for your setup.

4. The aftermarket cards are cheaper. Nvidia figured out people will pay a premium for that look in their Founders Edition cards even though the card performs worse. $700 for the worst version of a $600 card is ridiculous.

So similar should hold for the GTX 1070. You won't be stuck paying $450 for it, probably a lot closer to the $380 MSRP.

[RandomGuy]

RandomGuy, looks like promising news on the GTX 1080 prices. There was a lot of concern that with Nvidia charging $100 over MSRP for the worst version of the card (the Founders Edition, aka reference model) the good versions of the card would have that price premium over MSRP too. That thankfully hasn't been the case so far. For Asus their Strix 1080 is $620 for the standard model and $640 for the version with a factory overclock. For EVGA their ACX 3.0 is $650, their FTW is $680, and their Classified looks to be $700 (the Classified cards are extremely high end and meant for serious overclocking with water cooling and even liquid nitrogen). These cards should be releasing in a week or two, so that's more good news. No worries about waiting a month after launch to see good aftermarket cards hit the market. These aftermarket cards are way better because:

1. They run cooler, so you won't have to worry about the card slowing itself down to keep from overheating like the Founders Edition cards need to do.

2. They often have much better power delivery, so you won't run into voltage limits as quickly when overclocking. With that said, EVGA ACX 3.0 looks like it has the same weak power delivery as the Founders Editions. The Asus Strix, EVGA FTW, and MSI TwinFrozr cards look to have much more robust power delivery.

3. They run a lot quieter while also cooling better. Blower style cards like the Founders Edition have only one fan that has to run at a very high RPM to suck air in through the bottom and eject it out the back of the case. But these aftermarket cards blow hot air off the gpu and into your case. It sounds bad, and it is if you have a small case with bad airflow. Your case, the Phanteks Enthoo Pro, is huge and has great airflow, so that heat expelled from your gpu an into the case will be carried away and outside the case pretty efficiently by the channel of air you case has from the big 200 mm front intake fan and the 140 mm back exhaust fan already in it. So these axial fan aftermarket cards are far better for your setup.

4. The aftermarket cards are cheaper. Nvidia figured out people will pay a premium for that look in their Founders Edition cards even though the card performs worse. $700 for the worst version of a $600 card is ridiculous.

So similar should hold for the GTX 1070. You won't be stuck paying $450 for it, probably a lot closer to the $380 MSRP.

Noted.

I will hold off and get the video card last, let the dust settle a little.
Probably order the CPU/cooler this weekend.

[RandomGuy]

The monitor is HD as in Full HD, e.g., 1080p? Does your monitor support 120 Hz or 144 Hz refresh rate, or is it 60 Hz? Because for a 1080p 60 Hz system, $1400 is an extremely high budget. Here is what I would consider a monstrously strong 1080p 60 Hz system for that kind of money: I think it would be a waste of money, though the CPU is really strong. It's a hexacore with hyperthreading that you'll probably be able to overclock to at least 4.2 GHz on the cooler I recommend.

PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/WhhjrH) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/WhhjrH/by_merchant/)

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80648i75820k) ($378.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X61 106.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-cpu-cooler-rlkrx6101) ($114.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Asus X99-A ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-x99a) ($239.99 @ B&H)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls4k4g4d240fsa) ($104.95 @ Adorama)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e500bam) ($159.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-r9390gaming8g) ($329.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-220g20750xr) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1428.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-17 16:52 EDT-0400

Assuming you have some old hard drives to use for data storage and that you can get a free case that can support a 360mm radiator in top for the CPU. You get an extremely strong CPU out of this as well as a really high end cooler. This is the best watercooler on the market unless you want to spend $200-$300 on the new ekwb all-in-one coolers coming out this month.

If you have a 120 Hz 1080p or a 60 Hz 1440p monitor, then definitely go higher end on the GPU, lower end on the CPU. Something like this would be much better for that use case, as it has much more graphical horsepower. I went a little over budget to fit in the cooler, which you'll want with a 4790k since it runs 4.2 GHz on all cores under load at stock speed. You can probably get it up to 4.4 GHz on all cores using a Hyper 212 EVO, but any higher and you're looking at liquid coolers most likely, and even the best coolers (like the one in the first build) probably won't get you any higher than 4.7 GHz.


Might be able to get everything except the video card...

(edit)

Our one credit card is paid off. Figure it is worth it to put the kit and caboodle on the card to get the rig running sooner, then pay it off next month.

Hell, got a long weekend, so I will take the plunge.

Any last minute edits, before I push the shiny red button tomorrow?

[baseline bum]

Noted.

I will hold off and get the video card last, let the dust settle a little.
Probably order the CPU/cooler this weekend.

If you're nervous about watercooling, an exceptionally good air cooler is the Noctua NH-D15. It's almost as good as the top water coolers and better than the low end and midrange watercoolers.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608045


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emFN5KeGGnc

It's huge, but it'll fit in your case, and Noctua coolers are really easy to install, they have easily the best mounting hardware in the business.

Have you bought the RAM yet? You'd probably want to go with lower profile RAM if you get this air cooler just so you don't have to move the outside fan up too much. There is no difference between high profile and low profile RAM when it comes to performance. The big heatsinks on modern RAM are strictly for show, you never see them on server RAM for instance.

[baseline bum]

Might be able to get everything except the video card...

(edit)

Our one credit card is paid off. Figure it is worth it to put the kit and caboodle on the card to get the rig running sooner, then pay it off next month.

Hell, got a long weekend, so I will take the plunge.

Any last minute edits, before I push the shiny red button tomorrow?

It has been a long time since I posted that build and of course prices have changed since then. What do you have already besides the motherboard and the case?

1. The CPU is absolutely the one to buy, it's a tremendous value for a six core and it's an extremely powerful cpu.

2. The cooler is excellent if you want to do water cooling. If not the Noctua NH-D15 I recommended above is excellent also. The bling factor of watercoolers is nice and your kids will probably be impressed more, but the NHD-15 is very good also. They will perform pretty similarly.

3. You can probably find a better deal on RAM now, but I won't recommend a set until you're sure whether you want to go watercooling or air.

4. The SSD is absolutely the best one for the money still, so definitely get that.

5. Obviously don't get the R9 390 anymore. Back in September it was really strong but the GTX 1070 and Polaris 10 are about to shit all over it for similar prices. The GTX 1070 launches on June 10th though. We should see some reviews on it pretty soon and I'll PM you if I see any preorders. The GTX 1080 launched a few hours ago and it's long since sold out.

6. The power supply I recommended is massive overkill now. I recommended a 750W EVGA G2 because the R9 390 is a very power hungry card, something like 275W TDP. GTX 1070 and Polaris 10 should be around 150W. A good 550W-650W power supply will be more than enough and will save you a few bucks. Let me look up some prices on models I like and see what looks good.

[baseline bum]

RandomGuy, this is the RAM I'd recommend if you're doing the aircooling with an NH-D15 (they also have red or blue if you don't want black, but they're the same RAM):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233740

It would also be great RAM for it you use the watercooler instead, but this kit is maybe $5 cheaper and also very high quality if you plan on watercooling (I'd get the lower profile LPX kit above for air cooling though)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231822

[baseline bum]

RandomGuy, for power supplies this is a really strong unit that will give you tons of overclocking headroom for your cpu and gpu, assuming you go for a GTX 1070 or Polaris 10 graphics card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151118

Seasonic power supplies are amazing. I am on my third one since 2001. The first was still great 7 years later when I bought a new one for more power, the second was still great 6.5 years later when I bought a new one for more power, and this third one is holding up great more than a year and a half later.

It's on par with the EVGA unit I recommended before quality wise, but no point in paying an extra $20 for the extra 100W when you won't come close to needing it with a 150W gpu instead of a 275W gpu though. That EVGA G2 has a ten year warranty though while the Seasonic has five years. Those are both pretty good, most high quality power supplies come with three year warranties.

The 650W EVGA version of the psu I initially recommended comes with a 7 year warranty, and it is also excellent:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438054

Six of one, half a dozen of the other: either of these are really good.

EVGA has a lot of different lines of 80+ gold power supplies though, so don't think you're getting the same quality if you buy a different model of EVGA power supply:

EVGA G1: mediocre, made by FSP
EVGA G2: excellent, made by Super Flower
EVGA GS: good, made by Seasonic
EVGA GQ: reviews are good so far, but I don't trust them since they're made by FSP

[baseline bum]

RandomGuy man, it ain't looking good for AMD today. They had an event in Macau for the Polaris launch and someone posted a photo they took of the NDA agreement everyone there had to sign, which listed an expiration date of June 29th. This is absolutely devastating news, this card should already be ready to go and they won't have a new card launch for more than a month after Nvidia's GTX 1080 launched today.

http://videocardz.com/60373/amd-polaris-tech-day-nda-ends-on-june-29th

It's starting to look like GTX 1070 is the only card worth considering unless AMD drastically lowers the price of the Fury X. The Fury X is currently selling for $600-$650, and it will have to drop to $350-$400 to make anyone buy it over a GTX 1070. And Fury X is an extraordinarily expensive card for AMD to make, since

1. It has a 596mm^2 die. A die this big is crazy expensive to produce. The bigger die you have, the worse your yields get (eg number of good chips vs number you throw away), as any defect in the silicon at any one area takes down a larger percentage of the wafer the dies are cut from. It's the main reason manufacturers keep trying to go to smaller transistor sizes. For comparison sake GTX 1070 has a 314mm^2 die and should outperform the Fury X.

2. The Fury X has HMB1 memory, which is more expensive than the GDDR5 the GTX 1070 will use.

3. The Fury X has a watercooler made by Cooler Master. I can't imagine that cooler costs them less than $50.

I don't think AMD can turn a profit or even break even selling a Fury X at $400. If these Polaris cards aren't launching until after June 29th I have to really consider how long AMD is even going to be able to stave away bankruptcy.

[baseline bum]

Damn my XBox 360 wireless controller dongle died on me and it's hard getting used to AC Revelations on mouse and keyboard. What's the best chink dongle to get? You use one right, ElNono?

I can't believe I can't use my wired charge kit to play on like a wired 360 controller unless I have a working wireless dongle. I hate Microsoft. :pctoss

[ElNono]

Damn my XBox 360 wireless controller dongle died on me and it's hard getting used to AC Revelations on mouse and keyboard. What's the best chink dongle to get? You use one right, ElNono?

I can't believe I can't use my wired charge kit to play on like a wired 360 controller unless I have a working wireless dongle. I hate Microsoft. :pctoss

This is the one I bought:
http://www.amazon.com/wireless-Gaming-Receiverfor-Xbox-360-Controller/dp/B00BV72X1U

Working great on Windows 10, tbh...

[baseline bum]

This is the one I bought:
http://www.amazon.com/wireless-Gaming-Receiverfor-Xbox-360-Controller/dp/B00BV72X1U

Working great on Windows 10, tbh...

Thanks man, you're one of the good illegals.

[baseline bum]

RandomGuy man, a review for the GTX 100 just came out, but it's in French.

http://www.clubic.com/carte-graphique/carte-graphique-nvidia/article-807190-1-test-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-pascal-gamers.html

I'm a little skeptical since I can't imagine the NDA is up (otherwise we'd have 100 reviews out), but the results are right on par with reference Titan X. If these hold up I would try to preorder the GTX 1070, though not the $450 Founders Edition. The overclocking looks pretty shitty from these results, so I don't think I'd spend too much extra for highend boards like EVGA FTW, MSI Gaming X, Gigabyte G1 Gaming, etc. But you do want an aftermarket axial fan card. I imagine the EVGA GTX 1070 ACX 3.0 will sell for $390 ($10 over MSRP) since they're officially selling that version of their GTX 1080 for $10 over MSRP ($610).

[baseline bum]

RandomGuy
DJR210
313

So Nvidia claimed the 1070 would beat the Titan X. Let's see if this holds:

Firestrike
1070 by 8% over Titan X at 1440p
1070 by 8% over Titan X at 1080p

http://img.clubic.com/08454586-photo-geforce-gtx-1070-3dmark.jpg


Unigine Heaven
GTX 1070 by 6% over Titan X at 1440p
GTX 1070 by 11% over Titan X at 1080p

http://img.clubic.com/08454604-photo-geforce-gtx-1070-unigine.jpg


Ashes of the Singularity (DX12)
1070 by 9% over Titan X at 1440p
1070 by 7% over Titan X at 1080p

http://img.clubic.com/08454588-photo-geforce-gtx-1070-ashes-of-the-singularity.jpg


Batman Arkham Knight
GTX 1070 by 2% over Titan X at 1440p
GTX 1070 by 1% over Titan X at 1080p

http://img.clubic.com/08454590-photo-geforce-gtx-1070-batman-arkham-knight.jpg


Battlefield 4
GTX 1070 by 5% over Titan X at 1440p
GTX 1070 by 7% over Titan X at 1080p

http://img.clubic.com/08454592-photo-geforce-gtx-1070-battlefield-4.jpg


Bioshock Infinite
Titan X by 1% over GTX 1070 at 1440p
GTX 1070 and Titan X even at 1080p

http://img.clubic.com/08454594-photo-geforce-gtx-1070-bioshock.jpg


Dirt Rally
GTX 1070 by 5% over Titan X at 1440p
GTX 1070 by 3% over Titan X at 1080p

http://img.clubic.com/08454596-photo-geforce-gtx-1070-dirt-rally.jpg


I'm not posting the The Division graphic, since in the graphic it shows Titan X beating 1070 handily while in the article they say the 1070 beats Titan X by a decent amount in The Division



Hitman (DX12)
GTX 1070 by 9% over Titan X at 1440p
GTX 1070 by 13% over Titan X at 1080p

http://img.clubic.com/08454600-photo-geforce-gtx-1070-hitman.jpg


Rise of the Tomb Raider (DX12)
GTX 1070 by 3% over Titan X at 1440p
GTX 1070 by 6% over Titan X at 1080p

http://img.clubic.com/08454602-photo-geforce-gtx-1070-rise-of-the-tomb-raider.jpg


So this card looks like a fucking monster.

[baseline bum]

They only gave overclock results for 4k. Pascal seems like a pretty disappointing overclocker, but I don't think you can read too much into the 4k results, as a GTX 1070 is way too memory bandwidth starved for 4k IMO, you really need to go with 1080s if you want to run 4k.

Based on overclocking benchmarks from the 1080 though, I expect the better 1070s to lose to the better 980 Ti when both are overclocked, at least in DX11 games. The 1070 will probably still win in DX12 though. The GTX 980 Ti scales really well with overclocks (the Nvidia big die chips like the 980 Ti always seem to, while the medium die chips like the 1070/1080 don't).

[baseline bum]

LOL they took the review down (but left the images on their server :lol). I bet Nvidia's lawyers weren't too happy when they contacted the site's owner. :lol

[baseline bum]

RandomGuy
DJR210
313

GTX 1070 reviews have officially dropped.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yq7VVW76VY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFqBsi2opVU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkiZdSBux9E

[baseline bum]

RandomGuy, man this card is going to sell like fucking crazy. Some of the reviews say not to get this for 1080p, but I disagree with them because:

1. The $200-$250 cards like the R9 380, R9 380x, and GTX 960 will have you dialing settings way back for 60 fps gaming at 1080p in many modern games, and even then it's not going to be enough sometimes. Getting a locked 60 fps is the whole reason to get a high end computer like you're building.

2. The $300 cards like the R9 390, R9 390x, and GTX 970 will have you dialing some settings down to high to get a locked 60 fps and that's only going to get worse with new games this year and beyond.

3. Reviewers said the same about the GTX 970 at launch and a year and a half later it's not a guaranteed 60 fps card at 1080p ultra settings anymore (it's the card I run so I'm speaking first hand). AMD's competitor cards, R9 290 and R9 290x (and also R9 390 and R9 390x) give the same performance at 1080p as the GTX 970 on average. The 290 and 290x came out about a year earlier than the GTX 970 though.

4. I don't think I'd wait until June 29th (bare minimum) for AMD's Polaris 10. Them not allowing reviews to be published until then is a big red flag IMO. If they had anything that could compete with the GTX 1070 (even 15% weaker) why would they not want to get reviews out before the GTX 1070 goes on sale June 10th?

5. You're building a system with a highend cpu, highend board, highend case, highend everything basically. What a waste to not buy a highend gpu. Now I wouldn't buy a $600 GTX 1080 unless you're going to get a 1440p monitor (it's the resolution you want for say a 27 inch screen), but for say a 24 inch 1080p monitor the GTX 1070 will fucking kill. And it's very good for even a 1440p monitor right now.

If you want to overclock significantly I'd probably go for an EVGA FTW, which I'm guessing will come out around $430-$450. The Asus Strix should be very good too (the pcb is a monster on their 1080) and I imagine it'll be around $400 for the regular card or $420 for the factory overclocked version (factory OC isn't a big deal IMO, what matters is the quality of the PCB, and both Strix versions should have the same pcb). But I like EVGA for their rock-solid customer service. Asus' isn't so great. I know I recommended an Asus board, but they're usually the best boards and none of their competition in motherboards (Gigabyte, MSI, and AsRock) are known for great customer service either. If you want something cheaper I'd imagine the EVGA GTX 1070 ACX 3.0 will be around $390-$400, but it won't have the highend pcb that the EVGA GTX 1070 FTW nor the Asus Strix GTX 1070 will have. If you have to have something as soon as possible I think only the $450 Founders Edition GTX 1070 will be available the first week. I don't like those kind of reference coolers myself, they're terrible for overclocking. And the Nvidia reference PCB is kind of weak on the 1070. But it's a bit cooler running card than the 1080, so the core doesn't look like it gets hot enough to throttle down to lower speeds at stock speed like the GTX 1080 Founders Edition does. If you want to hit the $380 MSRP price point Zotac and MSI should have some cards there. The MSI Gaming GTX 1070 should be a really strong overclocker too, they build great power delivery into their pcbs in that series. I'd imagine those cards will be around $420 or so, but it's a wild guess since they haven't released their GTX 1080 pricing yet like EVGA and Asus have. Gigabyte G1 Gaming cards often have really strong PCB too for overclocking.

[DJR210]

It's good to have a card like this even at 1080p just to be able to brute force shitty coded games.. the benchmarks show Arkham Knight was averaging almost 144 hz on a 1070

[baseline bum]

It's good to have a card like this even at 1080p just to be able to brute force shitty coded games.. the benchmarks show Arkham Knight was averaging almost 144 hz on a 1070

I think Arkham Knight must have gotten some big performance enhancing patches since it was nowhere close to that on the 980 Ti a few months ago, and the 980 Ti and 1070 are pretty close in performance in DX11. Too bad the nosteam version of the game hasn't gotten any new patches in months. :lol

[baseline bum]

I have to say AMD looks officially fucked

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn188/DJR210/lolcryhavoc_zps2d55dhl3.png

[baseline bum]

2016 is going to be as ugly for their gpu division as 2014 and 2015 were. And those years were even worse for their cpu division than their gpu division. I wonder how long until Samsung comes and buys them out or Intel swoops in and buys out their graphics IP. Anything to get them out of using the consistently underperforming Global Foundries. AMD gpus made in Intel's foundries could end up being pretty great. Intel's already going to be releasing 10 nm chips next year.

[baseline bum]

Another GTX 1070 review: this one shows it solidly behind the Titan X and even with the 980 Ti. They say they run all their tests after 20 minutes of usage to heat the cards up like they'd be in normal gameplay so I thought the cooler was behind the discrepancy, but it doesn't look like there is any thermal throttling. So these results are a bit of a head scratcher since other reviews are showing the 1070 consistently outperforming Titan X.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FWtJXmtITs

[Wild Cobra]

5. You're building a system with a highend cpu, highend board, highend case, highend everything basically. What a waste to not buy a highend gpu. Now I wouldn't buy a $600 GTX 1080 unless you're going to get a 1440p monitor (it's the resolution you want for say a 27 inch screen), but for say a 24 inch 1080p monitor the GTX 1070 will fucking kill. And it's very good for even a 1440p monitor right now.


I'm now driving three 32" 1440p monitors from an overclocked GTX 950. I just might buy the 1070 or 1080 when available.

Wise or no?

I'm holding off on making a new computer, but if I do, I'll have it to put there.

[TDMVPDPOY]

prices out for AU regarding the FE, above 1k + 10% stupid tax on overseas bullshit anything bought above 1k = 1100 landed :( fck u tax kent

anyway thinkn of pulling the trigger on t hat acer predator ips 27 model 1k or the tnt panel which is around 400....lol tn panel

[baseline bum]

I'm now driving three 32" 1440p monitors from an overclocked GTX 950. I just might buy the 1070 or 1080 when available.

Wise or no?

I'm holding off on making a new computer, but if I do, I'll have it to put there.

For what you use your computer for it would be a waste of money IMO. If you ever want to game on three 1440p panels in games where having those panels would benefit (eg racing games and first person shooters) you're probably looking at needing two GTX 1080 in SLI to push that many pixels at an acceptable framerate. I'm not 100% though, almost no one uses triple 1440p panels so it's not a resolution I ever see tested in gaming benchmarks. People who game on three panels mostly buy 1080p panels, and that's what you see review sites benchmarking.

[baseline bum]

Wow the GTX 1080 is a real piece of shit when it comes to overclocking. I can't believe the 1080 Strix can't hit 2100 MHz with that highend pcb.

http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2016/05/ASUS-STRIX-GTX-1080-PCB.jpg

http://videocardz.com/60631/asus-rog-strix-geforce-gtx-1080-offers-poor-overclocking

[Wild Cobra]

For what you use your computer for it would be a waste of money IMO. If you ever want to game on three 1440p panels in games where having those panels would benefit (eg racing games and first person shooters) you're probably looking at needing two GTX 1080 in SLI to push that many pixels at an acceptable framerate. I'm not 100% though, almost no one uses triple 1440p panels so it's not a resolution I ever see tested in gaming benchmarks. People who game on three panels mostly buy 1080p panels, and that's what you see review sites benchmarking.

If I play a high-end game, it would be on just the center one. Just yesterday, I was playing a bluray on the right monitor, mostly just listening. Had spreadsheets and PDF files open on the other two. It's real convenient for the several windows I often have open at once.

[Wild Cobra]

Wow the GTX 1080 is a real piece of shit when it comes to overclocking. I can't believe the 1080 Strix can't hit 2100 MHz with that highend pcb.


Maybe they will improve the GPU in a short time to do so.

[baseline bum]

If I play a high-end game, it would be on just the center one. Just yesterday, I was playing a bluray on the right monitor, mostly just listening. Had spreadsheets and PDF files open on the other two. It's real convenient for the several windows I often have open at once.

The 1070 is pretty strong for 1440p gaming. The 1080 is about 25% stronger than the 1070, but costs 60% more.

[Wild Cobra]

The 1070 is pretty strong for 1440p gaming. The 1080 is about 25% stronger than the 1070, but costs 60% more.

The prices discussed look promising for the 1070.

I have never read how SLI works. If I drove my primary monitor off one card, and the other two off a second card, seems to me that would be optimum, but that's just a guess.

[Cry Havoc]

1070 looks like a fucking beast. May be the cornerstone of my next system. We'll see what AMD offers.

[baseline bum]

1070 looks like a fucking beast. May be the cornerstone of my next system. We'll see what AMD offers.

You're probably going to have to wait for Vega if you want to see them compete with the 1070.

[baseline bum]

Hey RandomGuy, if you haven't bought your CPU yet the i7-6800k just came out today.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117649&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=IGNEFL053116&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL053116-_-EMC-053116-Index-_-ProcessorsDesktops-_-19117649-S0C

It seems to be testing roughly 10% faster than the i7-5820k in cpu benchmarks but it's also clocked 3% higher (3.4 GHz vs 3.3 GHz), but if you're overclocking you'll make up that difference easily anyways. It's not a world beating performance gain and likely will require you to do a BIOS update on your board, though Asus makes it easy to do with their ability to flash the BIOS from a USB flash drive without the CPU being installed. If it was me I don't think I'd pay the extra $60 myself and I'd probably stick with the i7-5820k for $390 vs the i7-6800k for $450, but I figured you'd want to know there is a new CPU line compatible with your motherboard. Here is a review of their new line of X99 CPUs.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10337/the-intel-broadwell-e-review-core-i7-6950x-6900k-6850k-and-6800k-tested-up-to-10-cores

[baseline bum]

1070 looks like a fucking beast. May be the cornerstone of my next system. We'll see what AMD offers.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/4jcv3d/im_working_on_a_gpu_design_and_i_want_your_input/d35knml?context=3

Apparently R9 390 performance from Polaris 10 according to this guy from XFX who probably just got himself fired:

http://i.imgur.com/1mDl5wS.png

And $400 for fucking R9 390 performance when Nvidia has Titan X performance for $380? :rollin

[Cry Havoc]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/4jcv3d/im_working_on_a_gpu_design_and_i_want_your_input/d35knml?context=3

Apparently R9 390 performance from Polaris 10 according to this guy from XFX who probably just got himself fired:

http://i.imgur.com/1mDl5wS.png

And $400 for fucking R9 390 performance when Nvidia has Titan X performance for $380? :rollin

We'll see. People were crowning the 970 too, when in reality AMD was a better card this time around until you got to the 980ti.

[baseline bum]

We'll see. People were crowning the 970 too, when in reality AMD was a better card this time around until you got to the 980ti.

The 970 was better than the 290, the 390 came out like 9 months later.

[baseline bum]

We'll see. People were crowning the 970 too, when in reality AMD was a better card this time around until you got to the 980ti.

Are you gonna watch AMD's Computex presentation tonight? I think it's 7PM PST, and it should be streamed. Probably on their twitch channel.

[Cry Havoc]

The 970 was better than the 290, the 390 came out like 9 months later.

The 290x is roughly the equivalent card and likely will have better future proofing as it ages.

[baseline bum]

The 290x is roughly the equivalent card and likely will have better future proofing as it ages.

And now the Wall Street Journal just published an article hinting at 390x performance for $199. That's pretty amazing. Buy two of them for the cost of a 1070 to get the performance of a 1080.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/amd-prices-3-d-cards-to-spur-virtual-reality-market-1464725394

[DMX7]

I have to say AMD looks officially fucked

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn188/DJR210/lolcryhavoc_zps2d55dhl3.png

The competition between AMD and nVidia was a good thing thouogh. Without AMD or at least a major competitor, GTX1000 series probably wouldn't be what it is.

[baseline bum]

The competition between AMD and nVidia was a good thing thouogh. Without AMD or at least a major competitor, GTX1000 series probably wouldn't be what it is.

The GTX 1000 series is priced the way it is precisely because AMD is effectively dead right now, with only 20% of marketshare. I hope this $199 Polaris 10 really hurts Nvidia badly. This class of Nvidia gpu that the GTX 1080 is from (fully enabled midrange die) at $600-$700 was $250 just five years ago when it was in the GTX 560 Ti.

[baseline bum]

AMD Computex event (live)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icm9B1nkGJ0

[baseline bum]

I'm preased to wercome everyone here to our press conference :lmao

[TDMVPDPOY]

just watch it, is that 480x2? for under 500 => 1080gtx performance and price... shit talk about taking a shit on competitor

[baseline bum]

They just finished the Polaris presentation and the only bench they showed was two 8 GB RX 480 in Crossfire edging out the GTX 1080 in Ashes of the Singularity DX12. This is the absolute strongest game for AMD vs Nvidia, and the fact they're only showing benches for that game makes it seem like they don't have a lot to show off with this card sadly. Now they have brought another speaker on who is talking about their cpus, so I guess the gpu presentation is over?

SMH at AMD

[TDMVPDPOY]

i dont think hardcore games really care about energy or power efficiency when they can afford a that price point for the card and energy bills

[TDMVPDPOY]

They just finished the Polaris presentation and the only bench they showed was two 8 GB RX 480 in Crossfire edging out the GTX 1080 in Ashes of the Singularity DX12. This is the absolute strongest game for AMD vs Nvidia, and the fact they're only showing benches for that game makes it seem like they don't have a lot to show off with this card sadly. Now they have brought another speaker on who is talking about their cpus, so I guess the gpu presentation is over?

SMH at AMD

480 in crossfire>1080 price and performance? .... very tempting

[baseline bum]

480 in crossfire>1080 price and performance? .... very tempting

I guess if you only play that one piece of shit game Ashes. This presentation was horrible and makes it look like this gpu is going to suck. Not even Raja looked like he gave a shit about the card. I think it's $200 because it's probably a hugely disappointing card. It can't be any good if they're not going to show off what it does in any other game besides Ashes, which is Nvidia's absolute worst game.

Sorry Cry Havoc, gotta post that pic of DJR210 dancing on AMD's grave.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn188/DJR210/lolcryhavoc_zps2d55dhl3.png

[TDMVPDPOY]

testing out for polaris

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-480-graphics-card-doom-1440p-benchmark/

[TDMVPDPOY]

I guess if you only play that one piece of shit game Ashes. This presentation was horrible and makes it look like this gpu is going to suck. Not even Raja looked like he gave a shit about the card. I think it's $200 because it's probably a hugely disappointing card. It can't be any good if they're not going to show off what it does in any other game besides Ashes, which is Nvidia's absolute worst game.

Sorry Cry Havoc, gotta post that pic of DJR210 dancing on AMD's grave.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn188/DJR210/lolcryhavoc_zps2d55dhl3.png

targeting where the main money is, not the high end gamer 1%

[baseline bum]

targeting where the main money is, not the high end gamer 1%

Yeah who needs to make high end products with big margins?

[TDMVPDPOY]

http://wccftech.com/radeon-rx-480-msrp-199/

im sold on a crossfire 480 => 1080gtx card performance and price would be dirt cheaper then a 1080 ...

then why couldnt they build a 480x2 on one card?

[baseline bum]

Well, this presentation killed all the interest I had in AMD's GPUs. If what they had with Polaris 10 was any good they would have shown it off. I think I'm upgrading to the 1070 if this Christmas season of games starts raping my 970, or I'll wait for Volta if not. The disappointing OC results mean I'm not springing $650 for a 1080 with a strong PCB.

[baseline bum]

Here is the full presentation. This is cringeworthy when they talk about Polaris. They're not proud of this card at all.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwlQvjwYFEM

Presentation starts around the 17 minute mark. This is epic fail territory for a gpu reveal.

[TDMVPDPOY]

150 tdp, someone is going to be expose once real world figures testing of power consumption of the card comes out...

[TDMVPDPOY]

have u guys notice a gsync monitors>freesync in terms of price? why the premium $?

[Cry Havoc]

have u guys notice a gsync monitors>freesync in terms of price? why the premium $?

Because gsync is proprietary NVidia technology. Companies have to work with them to develop it. Freesync is open source and available to all.

[baseline bum]

Because gsync is proprietary NVidia technology. Companies have to work with them to develop it. Freesync is open source and available to all.

GSync also requires monitors to support 144 Hz.

[baseline bum]

RandomGuy, it appears that EVGA will launch their GTX 1070 SC on June 10 along with the Founders Edition cards, so check the EVGA store.

http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6170-KR

Right now they're only showing the Founders Edition, which definitely isn't the card you want since it has the worst cooler and the highest price of all of them at $450. The SC card will look like this:
https://www.techpowerup.com/img/16-06-03/59a.jpg

I would guess this card will be somewhere around $420 plus or minus $10. Usually I'd suggest getting a card with better power delivery than the SC has, but all the cards seem to overclock to 2.0 GHz to 2.1 GHz regardless of the power design. For example this MSI Gaming X GTX 1070 only gets to 2GHz even though it has an extremely strong 10 phase VRM according to a review from guru3d.com (I just read the review 15 minutes ago and they pulled it for some reason, so I can't link it).

I know it's pretty expensive but it gives the performance of their $650 and $1000 cards (GTX 980 Ti and GTX Titan X) while using a lot less power and also being A LOT better if you ever plan to add a VR headset later on. One big plus of EVGA cards is the company is known for having awesome customer support if anything goes wrong. I have two of their cards and have never had to send one in, but if something does go wrong they offer cross shipping: eg, they'll send you the replacement card at the same time you mail them the faulty one, so you're not without a gpu for a week or two if something goes wrong.

The SC cards command a price premium because of an overclock out the box (eg, you don't have to touch anything to get it), and are often slightly better binned chips. I imagine they'll also have a standard ACX 3.0 card which will look exactly the same but have maybe a 100 MHz or so slower clock for $380-$400.

[baseline bum]

The MSI Gaming cards are usually very good as well. They made one of the absolute best 970s last generation. No idea on the price or launch date though.

https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/GEFORCE-GTX-1070-GAMING-X-8G.html#hero-overview

https://asset.msi.com/resize/image/global/product/product_10_20160602173029_574ffcb5a8728.png62405b3 8c58fe0f07fcef2367d8a9ba1/600.png

[Cry Havoc]

http://wccftech.com/radeon-rx-480-msrp-199/

im sold on a crossfire 480 => 1080gtx card performance and price would be dirt cheaper then a 1080 ...

then why couldnt they build a 480x2 on one card?

Because this is the first model. And they're going to sell a LOT more GPUs at $199 than they will 2 of them at $399. After all, if you want 2 of them, you can just buy 2 of them. If you only want one, a 480x2 isn't going to be your solution.

But let's not get ahead of ourselves. We don't know if the 480x2 will really be better than the 1080 until we see the benchmarks.

[Cry Havoc]

They just finished the Polaris presentation and the only bench they showed was two 8 GB RX 480 in Crossfire edging out the GTX 1080 in Ashes of the Singularity DX12. This is the absolute strongest game for AMD vs Nvidia, and the fact they're only showing benches for that game makes it seem like they don't have a lot to show off with this card sadly. Now they have brought another speaker on who is talking about their cpus, so I guess the gpu presentation is over?

SMH at AMD

Must have missed this comment.

Even if the 480x2 isn't stronger than the 1080... does it need to be at $199? For $400 you're getting a setup that might go h2h with the 1080 and will almost certainly be stronger than the 1070 which is going to start at $450.

That's a huge win for AMD. I guess they could have presented it better, but does it matter if the specs that are being shown prove true? They have a monster on their hands right now.

If the 480x2 is within even 10% of the $600 1080, it's going to be by far the best deal on the market. Near elite echelon GPU performance for $400. That's insane.

[DMX7]

What games are actually worth playing these days that need this kind of gtx1080 power?

[baseline bum]

Must have missed this comment.

Even if the 480x2 isn't stronger than the 1080... does it need to be at $199? For $400 you're getting a setup that might go h2h with the 1080 and will almost certainly be stronger than the 1070 which is going to start at $450.

That's a huge win for AMD. I guess they could have presented it better, but does it matter if the specs that are being shown prove true? They have a monster on their hands right now.

If the 480x2 is within even 10% of the $600 1080, it's going to be by far the best deal on the market. Near elite echelon GPU performance for $400. That's insane.

They showed benches for one lousy game. Also, have you been paying any attention to DX12? Ashes is literally the only DX12 game that can make use of a second gpu. Here, every other big DX12 game out there right now:

http://gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/Action/Rise_of_the_Tomb_Raider_dx12/test/tr_2560_12.jpghttp://gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/Action/Hitman_Beta/Hitman_%D0%B2_DirectX_12_/test/hit_2560_12.jpghttp://gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/Action/Gears_of_War_Ultimate_Edition/test/Gears_of_War__Ultimate__2560.jpghttp://gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/Action/Quantum_Break_/test/QB_2560.jpghttp://gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/Simulator/Forza_Motorsport_6_Apex/test/Forza_2560.jpg

So it makes sense why they only gave a single dual card bench, because there is only one game that can do it in their beloved DX12. You don't see any red flags from them not giving a single benchmark for single card, which probably 99.95% of gamers run? You yourself said you wouldn't do dual card again.

[baseline bum]

Cry Havoc man, why no dual card benches in DX11 games if two of these can compete with a 1080?

[baseline bum]

They cherry picked one game where AMD hardware wrecks Nvidia hardware and used it to try to make it sound like two 480s are as good as a 1080. That's almost certainly just a boldfaced lie or they would have backed it up.

[baseline bum]

What games are actually worth playing these days that need this kind of gtx1080 power?

You only need GTX 1080 power at 1440p or 4k. Otherwise a GTX 1070 is a much better buy (and a GTX 1070 is plenty for 1440p also).

[baseline bum]

RandomGuy, I would steer clear completely of multiple graphics card configurations. Even in the best cases you're usually only getting 70% more performance from two cards versus one, and multi-gpu support has been anemic to say the least for 2016 games. When you use multiple graphics cards you also get frame pacing issues many times, leading to annoying microstutter that doesn't show up in benchmarks that average out framerates. It's very frustrating to play a game that's jumping between 58 fps and 62 fps with vsync enabled on a 60 Hz screen, it feels stuttery. Multi gpu setups really only make sense if you're trying to drive a high resolution that can't be handled by any single card. For instance, if you wanted to play in 4k it would make the most sense to buy two GTX 1080s and a GSync monitor to smooth out those frame pacing problems with multiple cards. But those cards and monitor would cost you at least $2100. Of course that's also assuming game studios get their shit together and start supporting multiple gpu configs again in 2016, they really haven't so far and we're halfway into the year now.

[RandomGuy]

RandomGuy, I would steer clear completely of multiple graphics card configurations. Even in the best cases you're usually only getting 70% more performance from two cards versus one, and multi-gpu support has been anemic to say the least for 2016 games. When you use multiple graphics cards you also get frame pacing issues many times, leading to annoying microstutter that doesn't show up in benchmarks that average out framerates. It's very frustrating to play a game that's jumping between 58 fps and 62 fps with vsync enabled on a 60 Hz screen, it feels stuttery. Multi gpu setups really only make sense if you're trying to drive a high resolution that can't be handled by any single card. For instance, if you wanted to play in 4k it would make the most sense to buy two GTX 1080s and a GSync monitor to smooth out those frame pacing problems with multiple cards. But those cards and monitor would cost you at least $2100. Of course that's also assuming game studios get their shit together and start supporting multiple gpu configs again in 2016, they really haven't so far and we're halfway into the year now.

Heh, no worries.

As long as the card has the capacity for me to plug two monitors in that is all I need.

[baseline bum]

Heh, no worries.

As long as the card has the capacity for me to plug two monitors in that is all I need.

No sweat, any modern card will support that. If you want a 1070 though, you gotta pull the trigger when you see them in stock. They will very likely be hard to find the first month just like the 970 was. Even the $700 GTX 1080 Founders Edition is a pain to find in stock almost two weeks after it went on sale. I expect a lot more 1070s to be sold at launch though. The GDDR5X memory is probably the bottleneck in having 1080 supply not able to meet demand (it's a brand new memory being introduced with the 1080) while the 1070 uses very mature GDDR5 memory. But the demand will be way higher for the 1070 than was the demand for the 1080, so I suspect it'll be even harder to find. That's why I would try to get on the auto-notify list with EVGA, newegg, or amazon. I know you have been waiting forever to get this system built. :lol

[Cry Havoc]

Cry Havoc man, why no dual card benches in DX11 games if two of these can compete with a 1080?

I don't know, I'm not AMD. Why don't we wait for the benchmarks to come out and see?

Speaking of:

http://i.imgur.com/AhN52Yf.png

I guess we know which card is the best for angry birds. :lol

[baseline bum]

I don't know, I'm not AMD. Why don't we wait for the benchmarks to come out and see?

Speaking of:

http://i.imgur.com/AhN52Yf.png

I guess we know which card is the best for angry birds. :lol

Huh? You were calling it a huge win for AMD based on one game. :lol

[baseline bum]

Man the overclocking on the 1080 is really disappointing according to these reviews for the MSI Gaming X and Gigabyte G1 cards. It looks like there is no reason whatsoever to pay for the highend pcbs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rHjgnBtxhM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bPZjpBJeSU

[Cry Havoc]

From what I've been reading, the 1070 won't overclock to near 1080 levels though, so that's less of an option this time around.

[baseline bum]

From what I've been reading, the 1070 won't overclock to near 1080 levels though, so that's less of an option this time around.

Yeah 1070 is far and away the most cut down 70 series card Nvidia has ever released. It's about 25% weaker than 1080 while 970 was only 13% or so weaker than 980 and 670 was only about 8% weaker than 680. Even 770 and 780 were completely different chips (770 was a rebranded 680 while 780 was an extremely cut down Titan), and the difference was only 15% there. The card really should have been called 1060 Ti and there should be a 1070 halfway between the current 1070 and the current 1080. Like I keep saying, we're seeing tremendous inflation in GPU prices. That MSI Gaming X 1080 whose review I posted above is $720 on newegg!

[baseline bum]

Polaris 10 8GB at $230 is at least more in line with previous node shrinks, getting a previous highend card for midrange prices (as it sounds like it'll be on par with R9 390). Though it's not a tremendous gain either considering it only looks cheap because AMD rebranded the 290/290x as 390/390x and added $100 to what they were selling for.

[Wild Cobra]

Heh, no worries.

As long as the card has the capacity for me to plug two monitors in that is all I need.

Sorry, I already gave away my GT 720.

[Wild Cobra]

Huh? You were calling it a huge win for AMD based on one game. :lol

Look at the scale.

80 vs. 79... That only a little more than a 1% improvement.

[baseline bum]

RandomGuy, another 1070 benchmark in eight of the toughest to run games: The Division, Witcher 3, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Ashes of the Singularity, Far Cry Primal, Project Cars, Assassins Creed Unity, Crysis 3. I'm especially impressed that it kept Assassins Creed Unity over 60 fps the entire time, that was a beautiful but horribly optimized game that chewed gpus up like crazy at launch a couple of years ago. This is a pretty unbelievable card for $380-$400.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itzoEVyrOyw

[Cry Havoc]

Look at the scale.

80 vs. 79... That only a little more than a 1% improvement.

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg

[baseline bum]

RandomGuy, DJR210, the 1070 Founders Edition is in stock at EVGA's store. It's not the card I'd buy since it's $450 and I hate reference coolers (they're hot and loud), but here it is and in stock if you want one.

http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6170-KR

The EVGA prices suck for the 1070. The ACX 3.0 is $40 over MSRP at $420 whereas it was only $20 over MSRP (at $620) for the 1080. The Superclocked card is $440.

http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6171-KR

http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6173-KR

[baseline bum]

Here is their 1070 lineup.

http://www.evga.com/Products/ProductList.aspx?type=0&family=GeForce+10+Series+Family&chipset=GTX+1070

I'm not seeing the cards on newegg yet though.

[baseline bum]

All three of those EVGA 1070s might be limited by the 4+1 phase VRM though, I know my 970 SC was. It might be worth waiting to see what Gigabyte and MSI have to offer, especially with the EVGA 1070s so expensive. The reference 5+1 phase doesn't seem to be limiting the 1080 by the results you see in the two videos I posted previously where the cards with the nice PCBs were actually losing to the reference card. But I wonder if 4+1 is enough for the 1070.

[baseline bum]

This is the one I bought:
http://www.amazon.com/wireless-Gaming-Receiverfor-Xbox-360-Controller/dp/B00BV72X1U

Working great on Windows 10, tbh...

Alright man, I ordered the chink receiver. I hope this bitch works right so I don't have to pull out the RF module from my 360 and then solder on a USB cable for a DIY adapter, I'd like to keep my 360 working (though I don't think I have played it since 2014). :lol

[resistanze]

Alright man, I ordered the chink receiver. I hope this bitch works right so I don't have to pull out the RF module from my 360 and then solder on a USB cable for a DIY adapter, I'd like to keep my 360 working (though I don't think I have played it since 2014). :lol
I ordered the official MS one back when I moved last year for $15. Fucking got me back into PC gaming tbh.

[baseline bum]

I ordered the official MS one back when I moved last year for $15. Fucking got me back into PC gaming tbh.

You had to get it with a controller, right? I got my adapter initially in like 2009 from some contest MS was having when they launched Bing but Microsoft hasn't officially sold it by itself in a long time. Every one I saw labeled as Microsoft at newegg and amazon turned out to be a chink knockoff.

[resistanze]

You had to get it with a controller, right? I got my adapter initially in like 2009 from some contest MS was having when they launched Bing but Microsoft hasn't officially sold it by itself in a long time. Every one I saw labeled as Microsoft at newegg and amazon turned out to be a chink knockoff.

Negative negro:

https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Xbox-Wireless-Receiver-Windows/dp/B000HZFCT2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1465779403&sr=8-1&keywords=xbox+receiver

I got the one for $15 last August.

[baseline bum]

Negative negro:

https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Xbox-Wireless-Receiver-Windows/dp/B000HZFCT2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1465779403&sr=8-1&keywords=xbox+receiver

I got the one for $15 last August.

Dude, the very first review on the page says it was fake chink shit. :lol

[resistanze]

Dude, the very first review on the page says it was fake chink shit. :lol

Pretty sure mine is genuine, literally plug and play, all drivers MS verified in device manager tbh

Just saw the review, it's from 2010 man. I doubt it's the same supplier, Amazon always groups reviews and shit.

[DJR210]

Pretty sure mine is genuine, literally plug and play, all drivers MS verified in device manager tbh

Just saw the review, it's from 2010 man. I doubt it's the same supplier, Amazon always groups reviews and shit.

It's fake bro, Microsoft only packages the real one with a controller

[resistanze]

It's fake bro, Microsoft only packages the real one with a controller

Well if that's true then that's the best fake shit I've ever bought!

[baseline bum]

Hey DJR210, if you turn off GSync and just run your monitor at 144 Hz, how does it look running a game at 60 fps? How about 90 fps? Do you start getting annoying stutter that you wouldn't with GSync on?

[DJR210]

Yeah and tearing when the frame rate chugs

[baseline bum]

Wow, newegg is dumping GTX 980 Ti Classifieds for $410.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-980-Ti-DirectX-12-06G-P4-0998-KR-6GB-384-Bit-GDDR5-PCI-Express-/291727190812?hash=item43ec4bab1c:g:TtAAAOSwh-1W5Ciy

They use a hell of a lot more power than the GTX 1070, but these are some of the cream of crop Maxwell cards and should outperform most 1070s when both this 980 Ti and the 1070 are OC'ed to their max. The 980 Ti is a pretty legendary overclocker. I'd probably still rather buy a 1070 so I'm not running a 300W space heater when I'm gaming though.

[baseline bum]

Fuck Nvidia and their partners. The GTX 1070 was supposed to be a $379 card and yet there hasn't been a single one released with an MSRP less than $419.99.

[Cry Havoc]

Meanwhile, the Rx470 looks to be within 5% of the power of a 970 with a $149 street tag.

Of course, these are just firestrike benchmarks. We'll see where the frame rates lie. But damn, if that's the case, AMD just hit a home run with the mid-tier PC building crowd.

[Cry Havoc]

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/radeon-rx-470-benchmarks.html

[baseline bum]

Meanwhile, the Rx470 looks to be within 5% of the power of a 970 with a $149 street tag.

Of course, these are just firestrike benchmarks. We'll see where the frame rates lie. But damn, if that's the case, AMD just hit a home run with the mid-tier PC building crowd.

I bet it's more like $169 though, which is still an incredible deal. It initially sounded like the RX 470 was going to be Polaris 11 for $169 which would have been pretty shitty (thankfully they're only using Polaris 11 in the RX 460), but cutdown Polaris 10 for that price is outstanding. It's going to kill the resale value of my 970 though. :lol

[baseline bum]

I just hope AMD makes enough Polaris gpus to not have the entire launch supply devoured by ethereum miners like what happened with the R9 290/290x when it launched at the height of gpu Litecoin mining.

[Cry Havoc]

I just hope AMD makes enough Polaris gpus to not have the entire launch supply devoured by ethereum miners like what happened with the R9 290/290x when it launched at the height of gpu Litecoin mining.

Yeah, that was a nightmare for consumers. I have a friend who jumped on that and make a quick $15k though.

[baseline bum]

Yeah, that was a nightmare for consumers. I have a friend who jumped on that and make a quick $15k though.

If the RX 480 even comes close to the R9 390 on compute the ethereum miners are going to buy them like crazy. They're going to be so profitable at $199 while using 150W max.

[Cry Havoc]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_1080_STRIX/20.html

Oh man, this doesn't look good. I know TW3 is a demanding game, but it looks like even the 1080 can't run it at 4k resolution.

Makes me seriously doubt the new uberconsole from Microsoft is going to be able to be anywhere close to it, as I've heard it's running AMD's Rx480.

[baseline bum]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_1080_STRIX/20.html

Oh man, this doesn't look good. I know TW3 is a demanding game, but it looks like even the 1080 can't run it at 4k resolution.

Makes me seriously doubt the new uberconsole from Microsoft is going to be able to be anywhere close to it, as I've heard it's running AMD's Rx480.

They're going to be targeting 30 fps, no way they can do 60 fps using those shitty jaguar cores. And my 970 at stock speeds can do 28-35 fps at 4k medium on Witcher 3. XBox Scorpio looks like the gpu part of their soc is going to use cutdown Vega cores. Polaris isn't capable of the gpu performance MS is claiming for the Scorpio. Besides, a lot of the time I'm sure the games will be rendered at lower resolutions and upscaled to 4k. But they should be able to handle 4k natively in a lot of games with a 6TFLOPS gpu considering I can play Witcher 3 at 4k natively on a 3.5 TFLOPS gpu (GTX 970).

[baseline bum]

This is the one I bought:
http://www.amazon.com/wireless-Gaming-Receiverfor-Xbox-360-Controller/dp/B00BV72X1U

Working great on Windows 10, tbh...

Thanks for the recommendation. I bought that exact one and just got it in; it works better than the official dongle I got direct from Microsoft. :lol

[ElNono]

Thanks for the recommendation. I bought that exact one and just got it in; it works better than the official dongle I got direct from Microsoft. :lol

Yeah, never had it lose sync or anything... premium chinese stuff, tbh...

[resistanze]

Thanks for the recommendation. I bought that exact one and just got it in; it works better than the official dongle I got direct from Microsoft. :lol

Does it use the same plug and play drivers as original MS dongle tbh? Wanna find out what distinguishes a fake one from a MS one.

[baseline bum]

Does it use the same plug and play drivers as original MS dongle tbh? Wanna find out what distinguishes a fake one from a MS one.

It gave this tiny driver CD but I just used the official Microsoft ones.

[ElNono]

yeah, I just had to go into device manager, select driver and used the microsoft one... never had to mess with it again...

[resistanze]

Well then I'm pretty sure mine is actually an MS one tbh...never had to install drivers, recognized as MS wireless receiver. Not to mention device is branded all over with MS. Maybe amazon was selling refurbished repackaging receivers, cuz it came in a brown box with the MS drivers CD...

[baseline bum]

Well then I'm pretty sure mine is actually an MS one tbh...never had to install drivers, recognized as MS wireless receiver. Not to mention device is branded all over with MS. Maybe amazon was selling refurbished repackaging receivers, cuz it came in a brown box with the MS drivers CD...

Are you using Windows 10? Because that driver is already on 10 by default. I had to install it because I'm running 8.1. Your receiver is a counterfeit unless you bought it used from someone who bought the controller + receiver pack.

[resistanze]

Are you using Windows 10? Because that driver is already on 10 by default. I had to install it because I'm running 8.1. Your receiver is a counterfeit unless you bought it used from someone who bought the controller + receiver pack.

I bought it when I had Windows 7, again was plug n play. Maybe it was used.

[baseline bum]

RandomGuy
313

Wow, Sapphire Italy is posting links to articles about the RX 480 at 1266 MHz outperforming the R9 Nano and that these cards can go to 1500 MHz. Holy shit if true.

743752668900790272

744213153748254721

If y'all don't know, Sapphire is the add-in board manufacturer that makes the best AMD cards on the market. Their coolers and boards are outstanding. If Sapphire is acknowledging these rumors this card might end up really something. If the $199 card is outperforming the R9 Fury then the GTX 1070 at $420 is going to be a really fucking hard sell. I imagine the 1500 MHz cards will be the ones AMD was talking about selling for around $300. I thought this card was going to be bullshit, but Sapphire's word carries a lot of weight.

Cry Havoc man, could AMD have possibly pulled another HD 4870? The AMD HD 4870 came out two weeks after the $650 GTX 280, sold for $299, and came within spitting distance of the GTX 280 on performance. I don't expect to see something that drastic, but all of a sudden Sapphire publicizing these rumors makes it sound like RX 480 could really be something when it launches in 11 days.

[baseline bum]

To give you an idea of R9 Nano vs GTX 1070, the GTX 1070 beats the R9 Fury by 20% at 1440p in the techpowerup benchmark.

https://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1070/images/perfrel_2560_1440.png

The R9 Fury beats the R9 Nano by 2% at 1440p in the techpowerup testsuite of game benchmarks

https://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/R9_Nano/images/perfrel_2560.gif

So that would put GTX 1070 performance at 1.2 * 1.02 = 1.22 times R9 Nano performance at 1440p, where performance means average frames per second at 1440p then averaged over all the games in their test suite. That would put RX 480 at 82% (1.00/1.22 = 0.82) of a 1070 at stock for less than half the price. I really hope Sapphire Italy isn't bullshitting here.

[313]

RandomGuy (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1813)
313 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43150)

Wow, Sapphire Italy is posting links to articles about the RX 480 at 1266 MHz outperforming the R9 Nano and that these cards can go to 1500 MHz. Holy shit if true.

743752668900790272

744213153748254721

If y'all don't know, Sapphire is the add-in board manufacturer that makes the best AMD cards on the market. Their coolers and boards are outstanding. If Sapphire is acknowledging these rumors this card might end up really something. If the $199 card is outperforming the R9 Fury then the GTX 1070 at $420 is going to be a really fucking hard sell. I imagine the 1500 MHz cards will be the ones AMD was talking about selling for around $300. I thought this card was going to be bullshit, but Sapphire's word carries a lot of weight.

Cry Havoc (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7256) man, could AMD have possibly pulled another HD 4870? The AMD HD 4870 came out two weeks after the $650 GTX 280, sold for $299, and came within spitting distance of the GTX 280 on performance. I don't expect to see something that drastic, but all of a sudden Sapphire publicizing these rumors makes it sound like RX 480 could really be something when it launches in 11 days.RIP to my ":lol AMD thread" if true. Damn, I think I'd really consider going the AMD route if this is true. Im also curious what the SLI/Crossfire performance looks like. Two of these for just a bit more than one 1070 might be the one way to go.

[baseline bum]

RIP to my ":lol AMD thread" if true. Damn, I think I'd really consider going the AMD route if this is true. Im also curious what the SLI/Crossfire performance looks like. Two of these for just a bit more than one 1070 might be the one way to go.

Dual gpu sucks in games in 2016, I wouldn't touch it.

[313]

Dual gpu sucks in games in 2016, I wouldn't touch it.
I've heard, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[baseline bum]

DX12 multi gpu is actually supported in exactly one game right now: Ashes of the Singularity. DX11 support is there in many new games, but the scaling is really bad in most of the new shit this year. Eg 45% or less.

[DMX7]

RandomGuy, another 1070 benchmark in eight of the toughest to run games: The Division, Witcher 3, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Ashes of the Singularity, Far Cry Primal, Project Cars, Assassins Creed Unity, Crysis 3. I'm especially impressed that it kept Assassins Creed Unity over 60 fps the entire time, that was a beautiful but horribly optimized game that chewed gpus up like crazy at launch a couple of years ago. This is a pretty unbelievable card for $380-$400.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itzoEVyrOyw

When can we actually get our hands on it? It seems to be sold out everywhere.

[baseline bum]

When can we actually get our hands on it? It seems to be sold out everywhere.

Check newegg's page every 30 minutes to one hour. Do the same for the EVGA store's page. That's probably the only way you're getting one for a while. And if you see one you gotta buy it right then, they'll go out of stock within 5 minutes of availability.

[jeebus]

New gaming rig. Thoughts?

http://i.imgur.com/dtpsN4V.jpg

[Cry Havoc]

RandomGuy
313

Wow, Sapphire Italy is posting links to articles about the RX 480 at 1266 MHz outperforming the R9 Nano and that these cards can go to 1500 MHz. Holy shit if true.

743752668900790272

744213153748254721

If y'all don't know, Sapphire is the add-in board manufacturer that makes the best AMD cards on the market. Their coolers and boards are outstanding. If Sapphire is acknowledging these rumors this card might end up really something. If the $199 card is outperforming the R9 Fury then the GTX 1070 at $420 is going to be a really fucking hard sell. I imagine the 1500 MHz cards will be the ones AMD was talking about selling for around $300. I thought this card was going to be bullshit, but Sapphire's word carries a lot of weight.

Cry Havoc man, could AMD have possibly pulled another HD 4870? The AMD HD 4870 came out two weeks after the $650 GTX 280, sold for $299, and came within spitting distance of the GTX 280 on performance. I don't expect to see something that drastic, but all of a sudden Sapphire publicizing these rumors makes it sound like RX 480 could really be something when it launches in 11 days.

Yeah. Can't wait to see the real world benchmarks.

We'll see. But things look a lot better for amd right now, their stock is sharing atm.

[baseline bum]

Yeah. Can't wait to see the real world benchmarks.

We'll see. But things look a lot better for amd right now, their stock is sharing atm.

CH man, how is the Bay Area taking the choke? :lol

[Cry Havoc]

CH man, how is the Bay Area taking the choke? :lol

Most of my dubs friends haven't texted me back since mid 4th q. :lol it's bad.

[baseline bum]

Witcher 3 for $24.99 on Steam today. This game is easily worth $100.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/292030/

[baseline bum]

RIP to my ":lol AMD thread" if true. Damn, I think I'd really consider going the AMD route if this is true. Im also curious what the SLI/Crossfire performance looks like. Two of these for just a bit more than one 1070 might be the one way to go.


Yeah. Can't wait to see the real world benchmarks.

We'll see. But things look a lot better for amd right now, their stock is sharing atm.

Well Sapphire Italy was completely full of shit. The RX 480 performs right at the level of the R9 290x according to the first legitimate benchmark released today.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CJBaZ9V2Eo

That's still a lot of card for $200 (though they tested the $250 8GB version and not the $200 4GB one) but that's nowhere close to R9 Nano performance.

[313]

Well Sapphire Italy was completely full of shit. The RX 480 performs right at the level of the R9 290x according to the first legitimate benchmark released today.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CJBaZ9V2Eo

That's still a lot of card for $200 (though they tested the $250 8GB version and not the $200 4GB one) but that's nowhere close to R9 Nano performance.Son, I am disappoint

lol @ those temps

[baseline bum]

Son, I am disappoint

lol @ those temps

So much for overclocking. GTX 1060 is rumored for a July release. I think this card is still a pretty awesome deal for $200, but if Nvidia releases a 1060 with 970 performance and actually has some overclocking headroom they could end up dominating this generation just like they did the previous.

[313]

So much for overclocking. GTX 1060 is rumored for a July release. I think this card is still a pretty awesome deal for $200, but if Nvidia releases a 1060 with 970 performance and actually has some overclocking headroom they could end up dominating this generation just like they did the previous.
:worthy:

[baseline bum]

:worthy:

Fuck man, the RX 480 uses slightly more power than the GTX 970. Not impressive at all AMD, this was hyped to be a 110W or so card. So AMD essentially just matched a GTX 970 one year and nine months later.

http://i.imgur.com/hiOsAeQ.png

[baseline bum]

Now Nvidia will probably release a GTX 1060 that just performs at this level for around $230 to keep from cannibalizing 1070 sales just like they did with the 960 vs 970.

[313]

Fuck man, the RX 480 uses slightly more power than the GTX 970. Not impressive at all AMD, this was hyped to be a 110W or so card. So AMD essentially just matched a GTX 970 one year and nine months later.

https://linustechtips.com/main/uploads/monthly_2016_06/untitled-1.png.f3e35662c60559fb4d1e7530fc08322e.png:lmao uses more power than a 1070

[baseline bum]

Seriously, this is awful news. On 14 nm they essentially match a 970 in performance and power consumption? The 970 is fucking 28 nm. This is a joke, AMD hasn't improved shit in their architecture. Only lower power consumption because of the huge node shrink. With performance per watt this shitty vs Nvidia it means Vega is probably going to have to be a fucking 300W card to match the 180W GTX 1080.

[baseline bum]

Time to bring DJR210 back to dance on AMD's grave.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn188/DJR210/lolcryhavoc_zps2d55dhl3.png

RX 480 would have been a really impressive gpu if it was on 28 nm, not on fucking 14 nm. This is the last straw. AMD is done. I see no way they're going to get enough market share back to stave off bankruptcy in 2019 when their multi billion dollar debt payments start coming due. At least no way without selling off major parts of the company and having mass layoffs. Lisa Su couldn't save the company. :depressed

[DJR210]

The 1370 will cost 1300.00 bucks :cry

[baseline bum]

I mean RX 480 is a really strong performance per dollar card, but where can they take this architecture at the high end to compete with 1070 and 1080? Much less when Nvidia drops a Titan next year? They might match GTX 1080 at 300W with Vega 11 this fall thanks to the massive power savings from HBM2 vs GDDR5X, but they will have no counter whatsoever for Titan / GTX 1080 Ti. AMD's going to make a 450W gpu? :lol

[baseline bum]

The 1370 will cost 1300.00 bucks :cry

Grim news today. Being unable to get their performance per watt under control dooms them to being stuck in the low end and midrange. Maybe the best hope is Radeon Technologies Group getting bought out by Intel to give Nvidia some real competition in the high end.

[baseline bum]

So AMD has once again gone out of spec here just like they did with the R9 295x2. Tom's Hardware showed the card drawing 90W through the PCIE slot when PCIE is designed to only draw 75W. They put a 75W 6-pin connector on the card specifically to push the narrative that Polaris 10 was a low power card. It should have had a fucking 8-pin power 150W connector just like the GTX 1070 and 1080 do or two 6-pin 75W connectors like the GTX 970 and 980 do.

[Cry Havoc]

R480x is beating the 970 in some specs, is cheaper, and has more memory. How is this a fail by AMD? This is a $200 card that is fully playable at 1440p. That's an amazing value, one of the best GPUs ever for the money.

[baseline bum]

R480x is beating the 970 in some specs, is cheaper, and has more memory. How is this a fail by AMD? This is a $200 card that is fully playable at 1440p. That's an amazing value, one of the best GPUs ever for the money.

It's disappointing because their performance per watt has increased only from the node shrink, which means they're going to have a really hard time competing with Nvidia in the high end. They're using as much power as a 1070 for 970 level performance. They're going to end up stuck in the midrange and below on gpus just like they are with cpus right now.

[Cry Havoc]

It's disappointing because their performance per watt has increased only from the node shrink, which means they're going to have a really hard time competing with Nvidia in the high end. They're using as much power as a 1070 for 970 level performance. They're going to end up stuck in the midrange and below on gpus just like they are with cpus right now.

I guess we'll see. That's a pretty big assumption so far though. We haven't seen the high end stuff from this cycle yet. Could be really good, or nothing noteworthy.

In a vacuum though, this card is amazing and stellar value for great gaming performance. We were just having the discussion on this board about how gaming has become more expensive, but this is by far the best value I've seen from a card at launch. I've never seen a $200 card that can run modern games like this one.

[baseline bum]

I guess we'll see. That's a pretty big assumption so far though. We haven't seen the high end stuff from this cycle yet. Could be really good, or nothing noteworthy.

In a vacuum though, this card is amazing and stellar value for great gaming performance. We were just having the discussion on this board about how gaming has become more expensive, but this is by far the best value I've seen from a card at launch. I've never seen a $200 card that can run modern games like this one.

There is no doubt it's very strong performance per dollar, but it bodes horribly for the high end. It's the best $200-$250 card since the HD 7870 (no way it's as good as that card though for the time), but I was really looking for something to indicate they could make a game changing high end card. And this shows they probably can't scale to a large die (say > 400mm^2 area) without power absolutely going through the roof.

[baseline bum]

Also this card has zero OC headroom in its current form with the 6-pin power that goes out of spec. I think it was Hardware Unboxed who showed temps went from 83C to 91C from a miniscule 1.6% bump to the core clock.

[baseline bum]

Well now we know why AMD didn't show RX 480 benchmarks at Computex or E3, and why they had the review embargo end on launch day instead of a few days before like Nvidia did.

[DisAsTerBot]

$500-ish gaming rig suggestions? not a huge gamer, I dont need anything that runs the latest games on highest settings but i want something capable

[Cry Havoc]

$500-ish gaming rig suggestions? not a huge gamer, I dont need anything that runs the latest games on highest settings but i want something capable

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/nDdf8K

Add a $200 r480x to this, and you'll have a very solid gaming machine for $570ish. If you can stretch the budget a little you can upgrade the i3 to an i5 and then have a rig that can basically max anything at 1080p and most games at 1440p.


Please note that I didn't do a lot of digging. You could probably do even better if you hunt around for deals or combo deals.

[DisAsTerBot]

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/nDdf8K

Add a $200 r480x to this, and you'll have a very solid gaming machine for $570ish. If you can stretch the budget a little you can upgrade the i3 to an i5 and then have a rig that can basically max anything at 1080p and most games at 1440p.


Please note that I didn't do a lot of digging. You could probably do even better if you hunt around for deals or combo deals.

badass man, thanks ill check it out

[baseline bum]

$500-ish gaming rig suggestions? not a huge gamer, I dont need anything that runs the latest games on highest settings but i want something capable

If you're ok going up to $600 and pirating Windows this is doable, and is frankly a monster system for 1080p ultra gaming. Even better if you can use an old hard drive from your current computer to save a few bucks.

PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/list/44z9WX) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/list/44z9WX/by_merchant/)

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/product/xwhj4D/intel-cpu-bx80662i56500) ($197.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/product/hMvZxr/gigabyte-motherboard-gah110ma) ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/product/xvLypg/crucial-memory-ct8g4dfd8213) ($26.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/product/MwW9TW/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex) ($47.49 @ OutletPC)
Case: Cougar Spike MicroATX Mini Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/product/kQrG3C/cougar-case-spike) ($30.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/product/zNK7YJ/evga-power-supply-100b10500kr) ($42.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Other: AMD RX 480 4GB ($200.00)
Total: $596.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-29 19:05 EDT-0400

The bad things I'm saying about the RX 480 are in the context of what the higher than expected power consumption means for their high end Vega card coming out in a few months (and it is a disastrous outlook for AMD's high end cards). But an RX 480 for $200 is tremendous and it's really the only gaming gpu that makes any sense below $420 (where the GTX 1070 is priced). I recommended a cheaper case, motherboard, power supply, and only 8GB of RAM instead of 16GB to try to fit an i5 in, because i5 have very long shelf lives. An i5-6500 is a processor you're not likely to want to upgrade for years. What games are you interested in playing though?

[baseline bum]

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/nDdf8K

Add a $200 r480x to this, and you'll have a very solid gaming machine for $570ish. If you can stretch the budget a little you can upgrade the i3 to an i5 and then have a rig that can basically max anything at 1080p and most games at 1440p.


Please note that I didn't do a lot of digging. You could probably do even better if you hunt around for deals or combo deals.

Damn that ain't a bad deal for an EVGA B2 power supply. I think those are made by Super Flower and are extremely high quality. I usually run like hell from a $30 rebate though, I'm still pissed that MSI jewed me on the rebate for my board.

[TDMVPDPOY]

rx480 isnt even a high end card by the way its position in t he market, unless nvidia starts to drop prices on its 970-980ti cards...

do u guys think there be a high end card from amd to compete with 1070-1080? vega?

[baseline bum]

do u guys think there be a high end card from amd to compete with 1070-1080? vega?

Vega 10, which is rumored to come out around October.

[DisAsTerBot]

If you're ok going up to $600 and pirating Windows this is doable, and is frankly a monster system for 1080p ultra gaming. Even better if you can use an old hard drive from your current computer to save a few bucks.

PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/list/44z9WX) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/list/44z9WX/by_merchant/)

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/product/xwhj4D/intel-cpu-bx80662i56500) ($197.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/product/hMvZxr/gigabyte-motherboard-gah110ma) ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/product/xvLypg/crucial-memory-ct8g4dfd8213) ($26.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/product/MwW9TW/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex) ($47.49 @ OutletPC)
Case: Cougar Spike MicroATX Mini Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/product/kQrG3C/cougar-case-spike) ($30.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/product/zNK7YJ/evga-power-supply-100b10500kr) ($42.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Other: AMD RX 480 4GB ($200.00)
Total: $596.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-29 19:05 EDT-0400

The bad things I'm saying about the RX 480 are in the context of what the higher than expected power consumption means for their high end Vega card coming out in a few months (and it is a disastrous outlook for AMD's high end cards). But an RX 480 for $200 is tremendous and it's really the only gaming gpu that makes any sense below $420 (where the GTX 1070 is priced). I recommended a cheaper case, motherboard, power supply, and only 8GB of RAM instead of 16GB to try to fit an i5 in, because i5 have very long shelf lives. An i5-6500 is a processor you're not likely to want to upgrade for years. What games are you interested in playing though?

thanks. mostly strategy games rather than fps. Im ok going over budget but i'm a pretty casual gamer. Though i dont mind paying for something that i wont have to upgrade for years.

[baseline bum]

thanks. mostly strategy games rather than fps. Im ok going over budget but i'm a pretty casual gamer. Though i dont mind paying for something that i wont have to upgrade for years.

Strategy games are kind of a mixed bag. Many will do really well with an i3 (these graphs all show average framerate when paired with really strong gpus):

http://gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/strategy/StarCraft%20II%20Heart%20of%20the%20Swarm/test/sc2%20proz.png http://www.gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/strategy/Sid_Meiers_Civilization_Beyond_Earth/test/civilizationbe_proz.jpg http://gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/strategy/Total_War_Shogun_2_/test/poz.png http://www.gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/strategy/XCOM_2/test/XCom2_proz.jpg http://www.gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/strategy/Ashes_of_the_Singularity/test/Ashes_proz_980.jpg

And then some of them really want those two extra cores

http://gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/strategy/Company%20of%20Heroes%202-2/test/coh%20proz.png http://www.gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/strategy/Total_War_ATTILA/test/attila_proz.jpg http://www.gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/strategy/Total_War_ROME_II_Patch_2/rome2_p2_proz.jpg http://gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/strategy/Total_War_Warhammer/test/tww_pr.jpg http://www.gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/strategy/Homeworld_Deserts_of_Kharak/test/Deserts_proz.jpg http://www.gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/strategy/Total_War_Arena/test/arena_proz.jpg http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/320/bench/CPU_02.png

[baseline bum]

thanks. mostly strategy games rather than fps. Im ok going over budget but i'm a pretty casual gamer. Though i dont mind paying for something that i wont have to upgrade for years.

Right now the current trend is cpus being pretty long lived. If you bought a $200 i5-2500 in January 2011 it's still a pretty strong gaming cpu here in June 2016. Intel's not really making much in the way of gains on their cpus and AMD's highest processors came out in 2012 (FX-8350 and the overclocked versions of it). So CPU performance is really stagnant since 2011. GPUs don't last nearly as long, those still improve by pretty impressive amounts every couple of years. But RX 480 is so good for the price that it pretty much wipes out every gpu out there below $420 unless you're only looking for a system to play stuff like Minecraft, League of Legends, and Counter Strike Global Offensive (in which case a $100 gpu is more than enough). In July Nvidia might be releasing a GTX 1060 which I imagine will sell around $220-$250 or so and offer similar performance to the RX 480 (Nvidia can command a price premium over AMD, they have way more market share).

[baseline bum]

Also if you're ok going a little over budget, I would recommend taking Cry Havoc's advice and getting a 16GB kit of RAM. The reason is because RAM is really cheap right now and you'll probably eventually want more. 16GB of DDR4 for ~$55 is insane considering I paid about $80 for 8GB of pretty low end DDR3-1600 in 2014 when I built my current system (last year I upgraded it to 16GB of pretty high end DDR3-2400 for $85).

[baseline bum]

If you have never built a system before, check this video that goes into extreme detail:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SpXdXdrrBk

Also I recommended the cheapest case to get the job done. If you want something with better build quality that looks nicer, the Phanteks Enthoo Pro M is really slick for about $70


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mSFcGZV6aE

[DisAsTerBot]

great info! thanks, im excited to get going!

[DisAsTerBot]

and i have not built a system before but I'm pretty handy so hopefully it's not too intimidating.

[baseline bum]

Nvidia is having an event on July 7th in Melbourne, Australia which might end up being the GTX 1060 reveal or launch.

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1060-Pascal-GP106-400.jpg

[baseline bum]

So much for the RX 480 :lol

http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2016/07/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1060-Specifications-FInal-1-900x493.jpg

http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2016/07/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1060-vs-GTX-980-900x491.jpg

http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2016/07/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1060-vs-Radeon-RX-480-performance-1-900x467.jpg

Get in here DJR210, get in here 313.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn188/DJR210/lolcryhavoc_zps2d55dhl3.png

[DJR210]

:lol

[DisAsTerBot]

So much for the RX 480 :lol

so what does that mean for my build? still go with the 480?

[baseline bum]

so what does that mean for my build? still go with the 480?

The GTX 1060 looks to be about 15% more powerful in DirectX 11 games. I imagine they'll perform pretty equally in DirectX 12 games, as AMD usually does significantly better in DX12. I also imagine it'll sell for around $250. I was laughing more at AMD because they're going to have such a short window where they're running unopposed in the midrange market. This GTX 1060 is probably going to get an official announcement next Thursday and will probably be on store shelves a week or two later. AMD is in some pretty serious financial turmoil and the prospects of it existing in its current form within 3 years are pretty grim, so they need to take market share back as quickly as possible. They have some enormous debt payments coming due in 2019, I read they're paying $180 million a year just in interest right now. I don't know man, buying over RX 480 level seems like overkill for what you're looking for (strategy games don't require the huge amount of gpu power that fps and rpgs do usually) but what if AMD has to lay off most of their driver team in 2 1/2 years to keep their heads above water?

[baseline bum]

I imagine by 2019 the Radeon Technology Group (the gpu side of AMD) will probably get sold off to someone like Intel. All of AMD's troubles really started when they got into the GPU business by buying ATi back in the mid 2000s. They paid way too much for the company.

[DisAsTerBot]

i guess ill go with what is cheaper since in plan on going with the i5

[baseline bum]

so what does that mean for my build? still go with the 480?

I guess I also wasn't expecting the GTX 1060 to be out so soon nor be as powerful as a GTX 980. Nvidia's last 60 series card, the GTX 960, wasn't very impressive. It barely beat out the GTX 760 it was replacing and they didn't release it for 3.5 months after the GTX 970 came out because they wanted people to buy the $330 gpu (970) instead of the $200 one (960). The RX 480 is still a really powerful gpu for $200 though, and I imagine whatever company buys the Radeon Technology Group will still provide support for the RX 480.

[baseline bum]

i guess ill go with what is cheaper since in plan on going with the i5

You know, I think maybe you should get the 1060 or an aftermarket RX 480 instead. Now there is starting to be reports of the reference RX 480 killing motherboards because it draws more than the 75W allowed through the PCIE slot.

http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-killing-pcie-slots/

You could wait for the aftermarket RX 480 cards with an 8-pin or two 6-pin power plugs which shouldn't have this problem and should only draw 75W or less through the PCIE slot. Maybe you're looking at $20-$30 extra for say a Sapphire Nitro RX 480 or an MSI Gaming RX 480, but the card will run faster, quieter, cooler, and you won't have to deal with the out of spec power delivery you see on the reference RX 480 out right now. I imagine we'll see them within a couple of weeks.

Here's the Sapphire Nitro RX 480:

http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2016/06/SAPPHIRE-RX-480-NITRO.jpg

[baseline bum]

But it would have to be an aftermarket RX 480 that doesn't use the reference PCB. I'm not sure whether Sapphire Nitro uses a custom PCB. I hope they do.

[313]

So much for the RX 480 :lol

http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2016/07/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1060-Specifications-FInal-1-900x493.jpg

http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2016/07/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1060-vs-GTX-980-900x491.jpg

http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2016/07/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1060-vs-Radeon-RX-480-performance-1-900x467.jpg

Get in here DJR210 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42671), get in here 313 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43150).

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn188/DJR210/lolcryhavoc_zps2d55dhl3.png
:wow: that power efficiency

[baseline bum]

:wow: that power efficiency

That graph makes it look it's going to be about 115W. I'm really interested to see what they can do at 75W for prebuilts that can't handle a 6-pin PCIE.

[RandomGuy]

But it would have to be an aftermarket RX 480 that doesn't use the reference PCB. I'm not sure whether Sapphire Nitro uses a custom PCB. I hope they do.

Alrighty, got the funds lined up, ready to pull the trigger.

Any last minute suggestions?

[RandomGuy]

The monitor is HD as in Full HD, e.g., 1080p? Does your monitor support 120 Hz or 144 Hz refresh rate, or is it 60 Hz? Because for a 1080p 60 Hz system, $1400 is an extremely high budget. Here is what I would consider a monstrously strong 1080p 60 Hz system for that kind of money: I think it would be a waste of money, though the CPU is really strong. It's a hexacore with hyperthreading that you'll probably be able to overclock to at least 4.2 GHz on the cooler I recommend.

PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/WhhjrH) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/WhhjrH/by_merchant/)

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80648i75820k) ($378.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X61 106.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-cpu-cooler-rlkrx6101) ($114.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Asus X99-A ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-x99a) ($239.99 @ B&H)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls4k4g4d240fsa) ($104.95 @ Adorama)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e500bam) ($159.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-r9390gaming8g) ($329.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-220g20750xr) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1428.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-17 16:52 EDT-0400


This is what you lined up, although the video card has changed.

Have the case and the MB.

Going to march down the rest of it, now, save the video card for last.

[RandomGuy]

(goes to the fridge for a beer and to let baseline bum type.

[baseline bum]

This is what you lined up, although the video card has changed.

Have the case and the MB.

Going to march down the rest of it, now, save the video card for last.

I'm going to send you a PM with the video card. I would order it ASAP before the card goes out of stock, it will be quick.

[baseline bum]

This is what you lined up, although the video card has changed.

Have the case and the MB.

Going to march down the rest of it, now, save the video card for last.

The card I PMed you just now is really nice and a better card than the Founders Edition one I told you about before.

[baseline bum]

This is what you lined up, although the video card has changed.

Have the case and the MB.

Going to march down the rest of it, now, save the video card for last.

Buy that cpu, that cpu cooler to overclock that cpu hard, and the SSD.

Give me a couple of minutes and I'll find you a better deal on RAM and power supply. There is no reason to buy a $120 power supply with a GTX 1070, you can save a bit of money there. It made more sense with a 275W R9 390, but not a 150W GTX 1070 (and the GTX 1070 destroys the R9 390). Also RAM is a lot cheaper now than when I posted that,

[RandomGuy]

hmmm. can't buy the four memory simms at once. bumping up to a "only can buy one" limit, or the seller only has one. WTF?

[baseline bum]

(goes to the fridge for a beer and to let baseline bum type.

OK, this is a really strong deal:
FUCK ME, I put the wrong shit

[RandomGuy]

I'm going to send you a PM with the video card. I would order it ASAP before the card goes out of stock, it will be quick.

Got that lined up. will wait to check out until I get the rest of it.

[baseline bum]

(goes to the fridge for a beer and to let baseline bum type.

OK, here it is. I have never bought from SuperBiiz, but they have a pretty decent score at resellerratings.com. You'll get another 10% off on the cpu with promo code FIREWORKS0704 from them. Alternatively you could buy it from newegg for $395.

PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/list/XXrFd6) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/list/XXrFd6/by_merchant/)

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/product/6tXfrH/intel-cpu-bx80648i75820k) ($369.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X61 106.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (http://pcpartpicker.com/product/FFFPxr/nzxt-cpu-cooler-rlkrx6101) ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/product/LTvRsY/gskill-memory-f43000c15q16grr) ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/product/FrH48d/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e500bam) ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/product/9q4NnQ/evga-power-supply-220g20650y1) ($87.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $812.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-03 18:19 EDT-0400

[baseline bum]

Got that lined up. will wait to check out until I get the rest of it.

I would not wait, I would get that video card order in ASAP if you want your card in soon. Retailers are saying they don't expect the 1070 to be in stock fully until mid to late July. Until then they're going to sell out fast.

[baseline bum]

RandomGuy, that video card I PM'ed you might be out of stock in 5 minutes. Dead serious.

[RandomGuy]

RandomGuy, that video card I PM'ed you might be out of stock in 5 minutes. Dead serious.

Order #: BAM (shipped via Super Eggsaver (4-7 Business Days))
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ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1070 AMP! Edition, ZT-P10700B-10P, 8GB GDDR5 IceStorm Cooling, Metal Wraparound Carbon ExoArmor exterior, ...
Item #: N82E16814500400
Replacement Only Return Policy
$449.99
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Intel Core i7-5820K Haswell-E 6-Core 3.3 GHz LGA 2011-v3 140W BX80648I75820K Desktop Processor
Item #: N82E16819117402
Replacement Only Return Policy
$399.99
$389.99
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NZXT Kraken X61 RL-KRX61-01 280mm All-In-One Water / Liquid CPU Cooling Solution
Item #: N82E16835146042

[RandomGuy]

ok, i am now $1k poorer...

Still need the memory, and the HD/storage...

[baseline bum]

Order #: BAM (shipped via Super Eggsaver (4-7 Business Days))
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ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1070 AMP! Edition, ZT-P10700B-10P, 8GB GDDR5 IceStorm Cooling, Metal Wraparound Carbon ExoArmor exterior, ...
Item #: N82E16814500400
Replacement Only Return Policy
$449.99
1
Intel Core i7-5820K Haswell-E 6-Core 3.3 GHz LGA 2011-v3 140W BX80648I75820K Desktop Processor
Item #: N82E16819117402
Replacement Only Return Policy
$399.99
$389.99
1
NZXT Kraken X61 RL-KRX61-01 280mm All-In-One Water / Liquid CPU Cooling Solution
Item #: N82E16835146042

Nice man, I wanna see a Firestrike score when you get that bitch built. :lol

Here's mine, your system is way better and will crush it lol
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9894975
http://i.imgur.com/FHYDSDh.png

Your system will be really strong for VR too if you want to buy an Occulus Rift or HTC Vive sometime.

[RandomGuy]

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EVGA 220-G2-0650-Y1 80 PLUS GOLD 650W ECO Mode Fully Modular NVIDIA SLI Ready and Crossfire Support Continuous Power Supply
Item #: N82E16817438054
Standard Return Policy
$99.99
$89.99
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SAMSUNG 850 EVO 2.5" 500GB SATA III 3-D Vertical Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-75E500B/AM
Item #: N82E16820147373
Standard Return Policy
$179.99
$159.99
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G.SKILL Ripjaws 4 Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3000 (PC4 24000) Desktop Memory Model F4-3000C15Q-16GRR
Item #: N82E16820231799

[baseline bum]

ok, i am now $1k poorer...

Still need the memory, and the HD/storage...

You just want an SSD right? Were you telling me you can recycle your old SATA hard drives? I think it has been almost a year since I first recommended that system, so I forget. How do you want to do Windows?

(1) Retail copy -- You get phone support... which is probably useless
(2) OEM copy -- No phone support, often $20-$40 cheaper than retail but it's tied to your motherboard forever (eg, you buy a new motherboard, you buy a new Windows... retail I think you can use on another board if you replace it)
(3) Pirate -- Free and Microsoft publicly publishes the SHA-1 hashes for their iso files, so you can know whether a Windows ISO you download has been injected with malware or not

Whichever of the 3 methods you choose, it should be Windows 10 64-bit. There is a fourth grey market option I don't recommend

(4) Reddit software swap -- Get a Windows 10 key for $25 or so

Because if you're not going to buy a legit copy you might as well just pirate for free instead of paying some asshole $25 for a key.

[RandomGuy]

Okey dokey. Money spent. Went over budget, but not too bad.

Shoot... still need an operating system.

[RandomGuy]

You just want an SSD right? Were you telling me you can recycle your old SATA hard drives? I think it has been almost a year since I first recommended that system, so I forget. How do you want to do Windows?

(1) Retail copy -- You get phone support... which is probably useless
(2) OEM copy -- No phone support, often $20-$40 cheaper than retail but it's tied to your motherboard forever (eg, you buy a new motherboard, you buy a new Windows... retail I think you can use on another board if you replace it)
(3) Pirate -- Free and Microsoft publicly publishes the SHA-1 hashes for their iso files, so you can know whether a Windows ISO you download has been injected with malware or not

Whichever of the 3 methods you choose, it should be Windows 10 64-bit. There is a fourth grey market option I don't recommend

(4) Reddit software swap -- Get a Windows 10 key for $25 or so

Because if you're not going to buy a legit copy you might as well just pirate for free instead of paying some asshole $25 for a key.

Prolly stick to OEM.

(edit)
Went full retail. just wanted a pretty package, and potential for support, seeing as how I won't be buying myself another computer for a while.

[baseline bum]

Okey dokey. Money spent. Went over budget, but not too bad.

Shoot... still need an operating system.

LOL you got the last of that model 1070. It's out of stock now. :lol

[RandomGuy]

LOL you got the last of that model 1070. It's out of stock now. :lol

You said pull the trigger... I went.

Thanks much. I'll let you know how it all goes together. Should all arrive in the next week, and I will spend most of the next weekend putting it together, booting/testing it.

[RandomGuy]

Now I just need to re-watch the youtube video about the cooling system, and read up on overclocking.

Seriously tempted to pass on the overclocking, and just keep the processor alive a bit longer.

What difference will I see performance wise?

[baseline bum]

You said pull the trigger... I went.

Thanks much. I'll let you know how it all goes together. Should all arrive in the next week, and I will spend most of the next weekend putting it together, booting/testing it.

That system is insanely powerful. I'll probably end up buying a 1070 later on too. So what games are you going to get for it?

As for Windows, here is a link to Win 10 Home 64-bit from a bunch of sellers

http://pcpartpicker.com/product/wtgPxr/microsoft-os-kw900140

I think it's a DVD though. If you don't have an old dvd drive to spare you can use this tool to make a bootable USB flash to install Windows from on your laptop or a work computer

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10/

I think you can only buy the retail version of Windows 10 preloaded on a usb flash drive.

[baseline bum]

Now I just need to re-watch the youtube video about the cooling system, and read up on overclocking.

Seriously tempted to pass on the overclocking, and just keep the processor alive a bit longer.

What difference will I see performance wise?

That's a really high end cooler, you're not going to kill your processor any sooner by overclocking unless you do something retarded like pump 1.5V or more into it (ideally I'd try to stay below 1.35V vcore).

The good news is you're not going to notice much of a difference in the vast majority of the big budget AAA games from running at stock vs overclocking when using a 60 Hz monitor (you will on a 120Hz or higher one though). The biggest benefit to overclocking is that in 2-3 years you can overclock instead of buying a new processor if you're not getting 60 fps. It helps your cpu age well, and your cpu being a hexacore should age extremely well with an overclock to say 4GHz. You can usually get these chips to 4.5 GHz or so, especially with the high end board and cooler you have.

Generally the way overclocking works is you get a lot of speed pretty easily without having to bump up voltage too much, and then you hit a power wall where you have to increase voltage significantly to get those last 200 MHz or so. Unless you get really unlucky you shouldn't have much problem getting that chip to 4.0 GHz. Even a bad 5820k should do that before hitting that power wall.

There are a few games where OC really matters. They're usually poorly optimized PC exclusives. For instance, Arma III is extremely sensitive to cpu clockspeed when it comes to framerate and how long of a view distance you can use. Kerbal Space Program is another, as Wild Cobra reports it only uses a single core of your cpu. In Fallout 4 I'm running a 3.6 GHz Xeon E3-1231v3 quadcore (with hyperthreading) and I have to turn god rays and shadow distance to medium to get a locked 60 fps because of the cpu, while resistanze has the same GPU as I do (GTX 970) but has an overclocked i5-4690k and says he doesn't need to turn those settings down from ultra to get a locked 60 fps.

But mostly you won't notice a difference right now with or without an overclock on the cpu. But definitely learn how to do it eventually, because it will extend the life of your system (in the sense the cpu won't feel slow in 2-3 years if games start getting more cpu intense as long as you oc then) and because who buys a Porsche just to drive to church and the store? :lol

[baseline bum]

RandomGuy man, you're really going to like that card. With older games you can render them in 4k with that gpu and then downsample to 1080p for your monitor. I have a GTX 970 and can play most games made 2010 and before in 4k ultra at 60 fps, and your GTX 1070 will be about 55%-60% more powerful than my GTX 970. So I bet you can run 2011 and maybe 2012 games in 4k ultra. It's called Nvidia DSR (dynamic super resolution) and is great for old games that don't employ a temporal anti-aliasing (for example, TXAA). What temporal antialiasing does is remove the kind of shimmering aliasing effect you see from motion. For example the pixels marching up and down a fence like ants as you move. For new games you can use one of these modern temporal AA effects (TAA or TXAA) and not worry about DSR. But for old games the DSR to 4k is the best way to get rid of this effect. It's a really cool effect with older games and even new games you might consider rendering at 1440p and downsampling to 1080p, it really gives awesome image quality and your 1070 will play virtually everything out there at 1440p ultra at 60 fps.

If you look at the pics of the card you'll notice there are two 8-pin power connectors on the side.
http://i.imgur.com/URR3zjf.jpg

So it's going to have a pretty beefy VRM for overclocking; you're not likely to be power limited (which is what limits my overclocks on my GTX 970). The standard GTX 1070 only uses one of these 8-pin connectors. Even if you don't overclock this is one of the faster GTX 1070s out of the box.

And that cpu is going to last you a long time. I think there is a good chance it will last you through the next console generation. It will easily last through this one (including the half generation console bump being released in 2017).

A few tips on building with the Enthoo Pro (it's the case I use too):
1. There is a fan controller on the back of the motherboard tray. I wouldn't use it myself since you have five external fan headers on the X99A in addition to two headers for your cpu fans. You'll have control of your fans in the BIOS more easily plugging them all into the board and just skipping the fan controller.

2. If you're not familiar with how modern cases are laid out, you'll have a tray on the back of your motherboard tray for installing your ssd. I think it's the easiest way to install them and keeps your cables neater. And ssds don't need active cooling like mechanical hard drives.

3. The Enthoo Pro makes it really easy to do nice cable management behind the motherboard tray so that the computer is easy to work with.

[TDMVPDPOY]

RandomGuy

what monitor u be gaming on man?

[Cry Havoc]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10474/nvidia-announces-geforce-gtx-1060-july-19

Supposedly equal to a 980. Excellent card at $249, but will the MSRP match the street price? I could see it jumping to $300 and then at that point the r480x is still viable.

Either way, it's a great time to be a gamer. Cards supporting 1440p are now affordable.

[DisAsTerBot]

damn. im thinking about going with the 1060

[baseline bum]

damn. im thinking about going with the 1060

It'll be a great deal if that bitch ever sells at the $250 MSRP, but I doubt it considering there is no 1070 selling at the $380 MSRP. The cheapest decent AIB model of the 1070 I have seen is the EVGA ACX 3.0 for $420. So expect most 1060s to be around $300 for at least a month / month and a half after the July 19th launch. :pctoss

[baseline bum]

It fucking sucks because there were a lot of GTX 970 at the $330 MSRP and GTX 980 at the $550 MSRP when the 900 series launched in Sept 2014. And the GTX 960 actually sold at the $200 MSRP at launch.

[baseline bum]

LOL Evolve went free to play today

[Cry Havoc]

It fucking sucks because there were a lot of GTX 970 at the $330 MSRP and GTX 980 at the $550 MSRP when the 900 series launched in Sept 2014. And the GTX 960 actually sold at the $200 MSRP at launch.

Right but the GTX 960 was a much lower tier card from day 1. The 1060 is a beast card. Admittedly more money, but still a crazy good deal.

And I still think the r480x is a hell of a deal, even at $230.

I'll probably be buying a 1080 for my next rig though. :lol

[baseline bum]

Right but the GTX 960 was a much lower tier card from day 1. The 1060 is a beast card. Admittedly more money, but still a crazy good deal.

And I still think the r480x is a hell of a deal, even at $230.

I'll probably be buying a 1080 for my next rig though. :lol

Nvidia's MSRP is just a sick joke so far with Pascal. $300 for 980 performance is pretty meh coming off a node shrink, it's like a 15% improvement over the 970 that sold for $300 recently. And Pascal isn't the overclocker Maxwell is, so that 15% difference at stock will probably be significantly less in real world usage.

[DisAsTerBot]

so which rx 480 would be a good option?

[DisAsTerBot]

also this:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10477/amd-posts-radeon-1671-drivers-fixes-power-consumption-issues

[baseline bum]

so which rx 480 would be a good option?

You'll want to wait for aftermarket cards with non reference pcb, which should be releasing in the next 2-3 weeks.

[DisAsTerBot]

You'll want to wait for aftermarket cards with non reference pcb, which should be releasing in the next 2-3 weeks.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202166&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Video+Cards+-+AMD%2FATI-_-N82E16814202166&gclid=Cj0KEQjwnv27BRCmuZqMg_Ddmt0BEiQAgeY1l9Tq-ARapzMv5NLUnveCJWevEAjfsIjiGodSGzie-nIaAsie8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

not this??

[DisAsTerBot]

oops nevermind wrong card

[Cry Havoc]

Nvidia's MSRP is just a sick joke so far with Pascal. $300 for 980 performance is pretty meh coming off a node shrink, it's like a 15% improvement over the 970 that sold for $300 recently. And Pascal isn't the overclocker Maxwell is, so that 15% difference at stock will probably be significantly less in real world usage.

Agreed. But in NVidia's defense, they have a name brand to rely on. Everything they make sells pretty well. I'm sure that even if the r480x was = to the 1060 for $100 less Nvidia would expect their sales to be high.

As it stands though, the 480 seems to be the value king until you get into 1070 range.

[Cry Havoc]

Starting to part out stuff for my VR build. I came across this case. Holy shit it's beautiful. I'm not a fan of the BBB (big black box) cases, but this has enough flair to still be minimal yet look amazing.


http://media.bestofmicro.com/G/O/578616/gallery/Phanteks_Enthoo-Evolv-ATX-Tempered-Glass_01_w_600.jpg

[baseline bum]

Starting to part out stuff for my VR build. I came across this case. Holy shit it's beautiful. I'm not a fan of the BBB (big black box) cases, but this has enough flair to still be minimal yet look amazing.


http://media.bestofmicro.com/G/O/578616/gallery/Phanteks_Enthoo-Evolv-ATX-Tempered-Glass_01_w_600.jpg

I love Phanteks cases. I have an Enthoo Pro and the build quality is really nice. It's also extremely easy to build in with lots of space between the motherboard tray and back panel for cables. The case is really full featured too for only $100: tons of fan mount points, included high quality 200mm and 140mm fans, three places to put radiators if I was to water cool, room for even the huge Noctua cpu coolers, the velcro straps in back for cable management (zipties are such a bitch when you have to cut them), high quality fan filters, I mean their cases are really well designed. Their customer service is great too. When I got my Enthoo Pro and one of the windows was cracked newegg only wanted to give me a $20 store credit but then I contacted Phanteks and they sent me a new window in like 3 days.

I think Phanteks cases are very underpriced for the quality they provide. I'd take them over Corsair, Cooler Master, or NZXT any day, and they're usually cheaper. The only other manufacturer I like as much is Fractal Design, their Define S is probably the case I would have gotten if I was just building a strictly gaming system and didn't need mechanical drives (the 3.5 drive bays are behind the motherboard tray and thus don't get any active cooling).

[RandomGuy]

RandomGuy

what monitor u be gaming on man?

Wife just got new job. Mo' money. :D

Might be buying a new monitor as well. I have a fairly decent/large one now (60hz), but might spend some on it.

[RandomGuy]

Starting to part out stuff for my VR build. I came across this case. Holy shit it's beautiful. I'm not a fan of the BBB (big black box) cases, but this has enough flair to still be minimal yet look amazing.


http://media.bestofmicro.com/G/O/578616/gallery/Phanteks_Enthoo-Evolv-ATX-Tempered-Glass_01_w_600.jpg

Heh, close to what I am building now. Case is very sweet.

[RandomGuy]

LOL Evolve went free to play today

So the MB has an M.2 slot. Started the build, and am reading manuals, and trying to catch up. The MB config looks to be bewilderingly complex. Lots to learn and catch up on.

Thinking about adding this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820147567

1TB powerhouse. $349.

Thoughts?