Building a gaming system

[baseline bum]

So the MB has an M.2 slot. Started the build, and am reading manuals, and trying to catch up. The MB config looks to be bewilderingly complex. Lots to learn and catch up on.

Thinking about adding this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820147567

1TB powerhouse. $349.

Thoughts?

Didn't you already get a 500 MB 850 EVO SSD with your other order? I wouldn't bother with that SSD. With 500 GB you have tons of room for your operating system, programs, and games already. Hell, 250 GB is plenty for OS, games, and programs. That's not a fast M.2 drive anyways, the Samsung 950 Pro is the lightning fast one.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147467

But I wouldn't get that one either. You probably won't notice much difference between it and the $150 850 EVO 500 GB for day to day usage and gaming. Not all your load time in games is storage speed bound. ElNono can explain this better since he is a game programmer. If you were constantly ripping a lot of video the 950 Pro might really make some sense, but if you don't know whether you need it it's almost certain you don't.

Anyways, the 1TB M.2 drive you linked isn't any faster than the 500 GB one you bought.

[baseline bum]

Wife just got new job. Mo' money. :D

Might be buying a new monitor as well. I have a fairly decent/large one now (60hz), but might spend some on it.

A 27" 1440p GSync IPS panel is the way to go if you have $700-$800 or so to spend on it. Don't go 4k, a GTX 1070 can't handle 4k well. Not even a GTX 1080 can if you want to play new AAA games at a locked 60 frames per second. Where GSync makes sense is in:

1. Being able to play games at high framerates. You'll get 80-100 fps in a LOT of games even at 1440p with such a powerful GPU even at 1440p
2. You don't have to keep a locked 60 fps for a really smooth gaming experience, which will help your GPU age more gracefully.

To explain further on point 2, a standard 60 Hz screen displays a new frame every 1/60th of a second. If you play at a different framerate things can get ugly. If you enable VSync to lock to 60 fps you won't have to worry about your framerate going over the monitor's refresh rate, which eliminates tearing. Tearing is when you have parts of two different frames on the screen at once.

http://media.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2015/gpu/screen-tearing-blacklist.jpg

But if you have VSync on to 60 fps and your framerate dips to say 53 fps what happens is the same frame gets displayed twice (since your gpu couldn't render the frame in the 1/60th of a second your monitor wants). This frame being displayed twice gives you what feels like a stutter in the game.

Now you can turn VSync off but then you get tearing that gets really bad if the framerate ever goes above say 70 fps or below say 50 fps. What I do with a standard 60 Hz monitor is enable Nvidia's adaptive VSync when I have a game I can't get a locked 60 fps on but can get pretty close using my GTX 970 (for example, Witcher 3). What it does is use VSync when I'm 60 fps or above, and tear when I'm below 60 fps. So there is no stuttering when I drop below 60 fps, I just get mild tearing since I'm almost always at 55 fps at least. Nothing like the tearing in the screenshot I posted above.

But GSync gives you the best of both worlds. A GSync monitor synchronizes the refresh rate of your monitor to the render rate of your graphics card, as long as it is between 40 fps and 144 fps. So you can get the really high framerates without tearing and if you have dips to low framerates you don't get the tearing nor the stuttering. If you're able to render above 144 fps it acts like vsync is on to 144 fps at those times, so you don't get tearing then either. GSync is expensive as hell, but if you're looking for a high end experience it's the way to go.

[baseline bum]

So the MB has an M.2 slot. Started the build, and am reading manuals, and trying to catch up. The MB config looks to be bewilderingly complex. Lots to learn and catch up on.

Thinking about adding this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820147567

1TB powerhouse. $349.

Thoughts?

Did you ever watch those videos I was telling you about from Carey Holzman's channel? This one he does a build very similar to yours:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfkD92AuUoc

And here is a video showing a system built in the Enthoo Pro (your board is a lot different though, it's more like the one in the video above)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCN4-bvee-Y

[RandomGuy]

Hmm. Everything mounted, but hooking everying into the MB... that is something else. Oi vey. May be checking build videos to make sure I have all the connectors right. All the different connector standards are bewildering. Looks like everything is idiot proofed in that you can't hook something up backwards, but still, I am going to guess I do something wrong, and it won't boot.

[DMC]

Hmm. Everything mounted, but hooking everying into the MB... that is something else. Oi vey. May be checking build videos to make sure I have all the connectors right. All the different connector standards are bewildering. Looks like everything is idiot proofed in that you can't hook something up backwards, but still, I am going to guess I do something wrong, and it won't boot.
In my career I've seen lots of idiots force connectors into places they "can't go".

[baseline bum]

Hmm. Everything mounted, but hooking everying into the MB... that is something else. Oi vey. May be checking build videos to make sure I have all the connectors right. All the different connector standards are bewildering. Looks like everything is idiot proofed in that you can't hook something up backwards, but still, I am going to guess I do something wrong, and it won't boot.

Do you mean it's not POSTing?

[baseline bum]

Hmm. Everything mounted, but hooking everying into the MB... that is something else. Oi vey. May be checking build videos to make sure I have all the connectors right. All the different connector standards are bewildering. Looks like everything is idiot proofed in that you can't hook something up backwards, but still, I am going to guess I do something wrong, and it won't boot.

Can you take a photo of the inside (make sure to use the flash) and post it? I'll see if anything looks like it's missing.

[baseline bum]

Hmm. Everything mounted, but hooking everying into the MB... that is something else. Oi vey. May be checking build videos to make sure I have all the connectors right. All the different connector standards are bewildering. Looks like everything is idiot proofed in that you can't hook something up backwards, but still, I am going to guess I do something wrong, and it won't boot.

Did you flick the power button on the back of the power supply to on? :lmao

LOL I have forgotten to do this a couple of times.

[resistanze]

Yup...recheck all the wires...I've had the Power switch in the wrong pin because I was looking at it from a different perspective.

[baseline bum]

RandomGuy, when you power on are you getting a number in the debug LED on the bottom of the board? I have circled it in the image below:

http://i.imgur.com/gdKWpIB.jpg

If so, what number is it showing?

[ElNono]

hey bum, did you page me on this thread? I was out, sup?

[baseline bum]

Yup...recheck all the wires...I've had the Power switch in the wrong pin because I was looking at it from a different perspective.

Front panel connectors are a fucking bitch, but for testing you don't need anything plugged in. You can short the two pins for power (on the front panel connectors on the board) with a screwdriver to power the system on.

[baseline bum]

hey bum, did you page me on this thread? I was out, sup?

I was telling RG not to waste money on an expensive SSD (vs the nice one he already got) since game loading wasn't about just the speed of your storage. I remember you were explaining some of the details about loading into games before but I didn't want to give a badly translated version of what you said so I figured I'd let you explain it.

[ElNono]

I was telling RG not to waste money on an expensive SSD (vs the nice one he already got) since game loading wasn't about just the speed of your storage. I remember you were explaining some of the details about loading into games before but I didn't want to give a badly translated version of what you said so I figured I'd let you explain it.

Oh, ok. Yeah, I mean, most any modern SSD will accelerate OS loading, anyways, so it's not really a big deal. I definitely recommend it to run Windows off it, but other than that, any 7200RPM, 64/128 MB drive will do nicely for actually loading the games.

OSes use heavy disk caching anyways, and most games nowadays are optimized not to page out. Plus, modern games will spend more time locking up the PCI bus to upload GBs of assets to the GPU than disk transfers.

If you're using apps that use a lot of disk activity, then definitely go for it, but for games, you really don't have to worry about it, IMO. I can't think the last PC game that "took forever" to load.

[baseline bum]

Oh, ok. Yeah, I mean, most any modern SSD will accelerate OS loading, anyways, so it's not really a big deal. I definitely recommend it to run Windows off it, but other than that, any 7200RPM, 64/128 MB drive will do nicely for actually loading the games.

OSes use heavy disk caching anyways, and most games nowadays are optimized not to page out. Plus, modern games will spend more time locking up the PCI bus to upload GBs of assets to the GPU than disk transfers.

If you're using apps that use a lot of disk activity, then definitely go for it, but for games, you really don't have to worry about it, IMO. I can't think the last PC game that "took forever" to load.

I find a lot of value in putting games on SSD. Witcher 3 for example seems to load way faster off my 850 EVO than it did when I played it last year off my Seagate 7200 RPM drive. But I was thinking you'd be dealing with Amdahl's Law based on real world benchmarks I have seen from 950 Pro vs 850 EVO. That maybe the 850 EVO was fast enough for the disk transfer part of game loading and that the gains you'd get from a 950 Pro would be hidden by the time it's taking to load to the gpu. Does that sound reasonable? Because there are usually pretty significant differences in load times in games on a cheap SSD vs a fast HDD, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of difference there on an expensive SSD vs a cheap one.

[ElNono]

I find a lot of value in putting games on SSD. Witcher 3 for example seems to load way faster off my 850 EVO than it did when I played it last year off my Seagate 7200 RPM drive. But I was thinking you'd be dealing with Amdahl's Law based on real world benchmarks I have seen from 950 Pro vs 850 EVO. That maybe the 850 EVO was fast enough for the disk transfer part of game loading and that the gains you'd get from a 950 Pro would be hidden by the time it's taking to load to the gpu. Does that sound reasonable? Because there are usually pretty significant differences in load times in games on a cheap SSD vs a fast HDD, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of difference there on an expensive SSD vs a cheap one.

It really depends on the mobo you have too. M.2 SSDs have become more common, but some mobos only have a pcie 2x plug on them, which is stupid, but I guess there's a market for that.

The next leap on performance will be increasing PCIE lanes, tbh. SATA3 gets maxed out by SSDs at this point.

[Wild Cobra]

So the MB has an M.2 slot. Started the build, and am reading manuals, and trying to catch up. The MB config looks to be bewilderingly complex. Lots to learn and catch up on.

Thinking about adding this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820147567

1TB powerhouse. $349.

Thoughts?

Figure out which M.2 configuration it is first. Being on the motherboard, it is probably a 4 lane PCIe M.2. The 850 EVO you linked is SATA, rather than PCIe. Check out this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147467

If you look at the pics, note the keying is different. The 950 pro is rated to 32 GB/s, rather than the SATA III 6 GB/s

I already started with the wrong M.2 when I got a SSD. I hope you don't make the same mistake.

[RandomGuy]

In my career I've seen lots of idiots force connectors into places they "can't go".

Heh, that is the one bit of experience from my days in the mid-nineties of building PCs that still applies. If I can't ease it in with a fairly gentle force... it ain't going there.

(We were a smallish Dell competitor that got buried by their lower costs of production)

I must say though, given the dark case/Mb/cables/connectors, I am glad I just bought a new rechargable flashlight.

[RandomGuy]

Figure out which M.2 configuration it is first. Being on the motherboard, it is probably a 4 lane PCIe M.2. The 850 EVO you linked is SATA, rather than PCIe. Check out this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147467

If you look at the pics, note the keying is different. The 950 pro is rated to 32 GB/s, rather than the SATA III 6 GB/s

I already started with the wrong M.2 when I got a SSD. I hope you don't make the same mistake.

Well, I think the consensus here is that an SSD is the way to go. Baseline recommended that, so that is what I got.

The M.2 was just something I noticed going through the MB manual.

Turns out though, the case I got, which came with oodles of power connectors, and the SSD which came with nothing, but no SATA cable for the data.

The arrangement of the pins for the case interface was also a bit trippy for me. They are arranged in a bank of two rows. I was trying to figure out how to get them in with the connectors going like this:
_ __
|X |XXXXXXXXXXX
|X |XXXXXXXXXXX
----
But the instructions said they are supposed to go like this:
____
|XX|XXXXXXXXXXXX
------
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Took me a bit to figure that out, because the MB manual was not overly clear on that point. kudos to ASUS for just about everything else though. Aesthetics, bells and whistles, and the gamut. It is just the manual sucked on this one point.

Scares me though because I am afraid of frying things when I plug it in. Oi.

[Cry Havoc]

Well, I think the consensus here is that an SSD is the way to go. Baseline recommended that, so that is what I got.

The M.2 was just something I noticed going through the MB manual.

Turns out though, the case I got, which came with oodles of power connectors, and the SSD which came with nothing, but no SATA cable for the data.

The arrangement of the pins for the case interface was also a bit trippy for me. They are arranged in a bank of two rows. I was trying to figure out how to get them in with the connectors going like this:
_ __
|X |XXXXXXXXXXX
|X |XXXXXXXXXXX
----
But the instructions said they are supposed to go like this:
____
|XX|XXXXXXXXXXXX
------
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Took me a bit to figure that out, because the MB manual was not overly clear on that point. kudos to ASUS for just about everything else though. Aesthetics, bells and whistles, and the gamut. It is just the manual sucked on this one point.

Scares me though because I am afraid of frying things when I plug it in. Oi.

Yep, getting mobo connectors in their correct place is the hardest part of any rig build unless you're doing something weird and have to jury-rig it.

Have faith, sir. You only really have to worry about three other things: proper seating, data cables, and power cables. As long as you have them all connected, you're good to go.

Also, don't forget to connect your monitors to your GPU instead of your motherboard. Common mistake that people make and wonder why their games are running like ass. :lol

[baseline bum]

Yep, getting mobo connectors in their correct place is the hardest part of any rig build unless you're doing something weird and have to jury-rig it.

Have faith, sir. You only really have to worry about three other things: proper seating, data cables, and power cables. As long as you have them all connected, you're good to go.

Also, don't forget to connect your monitors to your GPU instead of your motherboard. Common mistake that people make and wonder why their games are running like ass. :lol

Random won't have to worry about that since the i7-5820k doesn't have an igpu; he'll jut get no picture if he plugs his monitor into the board. :lol

[RandomGuy]

Did you flick the power button on the back of the power supply to on? :lmao

LOL I have forgotten to do this a couple of times.

Heh, that is the technicians first go to.
1) Is it plugged in?
2) Is it turned on?

Haven't gotten everything put together yet. Need the SATA cable for the harddrive, need to get a CD drive, and need to hook up the case stuff to the MB.

I am not turning this bad boy on until I have read the bios stuff either. Probably have to wait until next weekend.

[baseline bum]

Heh, that is the technicians first go to.
1) Is it plugged in?
2) Is it turned on?

Haven't gotten everything put together yet. Need the SATA cable for the harddrive, need to get a CD drive, and need to hook up the case stuff to the MB.

I am not turning this bad boy on until I have read the bios stuff either. Probably have to wait until next weekend.

Your board should come with four SATA cables. You have the Kraken X61 hooked up I hope, don't even think about turning the system on without a cpu cooler installed. Don't worry too much about the BIOS right now, the only worry is making sure you set the boot drive priority correctly. Later you can use the BIOS for overclocking and setting optimal memory speeds and such after you get Windows installed. You don't need a cd-rom in your system. You can take the Windows CD you bought and put it in your laptop / other desktop and use the Windows utility I posted in this thread in the last couple of pages to make a bootable USB flash drive with your Windows image so you can install using that.

[RandomGuy]

Your board should come with four SATA cables. You have the Kraken X61 hooked up I hope, don't even think about turning the system on without a cpu cooler installed. Don't worry too much about the BIOS right now, the only worry is making sure you set the boot drive priority correctly. Later you can use the BIOS for overclocking and setting optimal memory speeds and such after you get Windows installed. You don't need a cd-rom in your system. You can take the Windows CD you bought and put it in your laptop / other desktop and use the Windows utility I posted in this thread in the last couple of pages to make a bootable USB flash drive with your Windows image so you can install using that.

Hmm. Board might have come with cables it just that it sat there for a month or so, and I couldn't find them. (might have unboxed them and put them somewhere)

The CD drive is for all the drivers and everything else that will eventually go on it.

The Windows OS came with a flash drive, so I assume that I can set the BIOS to boot from that and let it take care of itself.

(edit)
My own disorganized self is to blame for not having the cables. Got excited to show the kids the new stuff, took everything out, then put it all into the game room. weeks and kids later... I had to scramble to find the cables and so forth. Derp.

[RandomGuy]

You can take the Windows CD you bought and put it in your laptop / other desktop

Heh, that is my other project. Our old, old desktop has had the CD drive fail. Seems to have power, but the OS can't see it. Still running windows XP, so that needs to get updated, and possibly a new CD drive too. It still has a bunch of older games that I like (Axis and Allies, etc), so I hate to give it up. It still does the word processing and spreadsheets my wife needs it to.

Oi. If it isn't one thing it's another.

[baseline bum]

Hmm. Board might have come with cables it just that it sat there for a month or so, and I couldn't find them. (might have unboxed them and put them somewhere)

The CD drive is for all the drivers and everything else that will eventually go on it.

The Windows OS came with a flash drive, so I assume that I can set the BIOS to boot from that and let it take care of itself.

(edit)
My own disorganized self is to blame for not having the cables. Got excited to show the kids the new stuff, took everything out, then put it all into the game room. weeks and kids later... I had to scramble to find the cables and so forth. Derp.

The only driver you'll want to install from CD is possibly the network driver, though since you're using Windows 10 it's likely already going to be installed by default. Then you can download the rest from Asus. Don't use the driver CD that came with your video card, just download the newest drivers from nvidia's website. You definitely don't want old drivers since they make new drivers with optimizations for each new game that comes out. Also don't update the BIOS, that's one install you don't want to fuck with. If something goes wrong updating BIOS (I had a rolling blackout hit right when I was doing mine one time) you might have to desolder the BIOS chip from the board, get a new one, and solder it onto the board.

[baseline bum]

Heh, that is my other project. Our old, old desktop has had the CD drive fail. Seems to have power, but the OS can't see it. Still running windows XP, so that needs to get updated, and possibly a new CD drive too. It still has a bunch of older games that I like (Axis and Allies, etc), so I hate to give it up. It still does the word processing and spreadsheets my wife needs it to.

Oi. If it isn't one thing it's another.

Can you use a work computer? Oh well, if not you could just pick up a DVD drive from Altex or Frys. I hate DVD drives, I never use mine.

[RandomGuy]

RandomGuy, when you power on are you getting a number in the debug LED on the bottom of the board? I have circled it in the image below:

http://i.imgur.com/gdKWpIB.jpg

If so, what number is it showing?

None yet. Read the bit in the MB manual so, I will diagnose it if/when it comes up.


http://www.legitreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Phanteks-Enthoo-Pro-Build-Back-MB-Tray-645x621.jpg

The part that bothers me though is the small circuit board on the back. (the one on the middle to the left of the SSD) I think I got it hooked up right, as my config looks like this. I just worry that I didn't hook it up to the MB. Not sure how information gets to/from it. I have it hooked up to power but...

[RandomGuy]

Can you use a work computer? Oh well, if not you could just pick up a DVD drive from Altex or Frys. I hate DVD drives, I never use mine.

Probably just buy one from best buy or something.

Boss has about 8 slightly older computers sitting around in an old cubicle that would probably be perfect for wife/kids, and even a source of extra parts. I asked him how much for two or three of them, but he hasn't gotten back to me. He is fixing to give them to Goodwill.

[baseline bum]

None yet. Read the bit in the MB manual so, I will diagnose it if/when it comes up.


http://www.legitreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Phanteks-Enthoo-Pro-Build-Back-MB-Tray-645x621.jpg

The part that bothers me though is the small circuit board on the back. (the one on the middle to the left of the SSD) I think I got it hooked up right, as my config looks like this. I just worry that I didn't hook it up to the MB. Not sure how information gets to/from it. I have it hooked up to power but...

Oh man, that's a mess, you got shit configured wrong man.

That circuitboard is a fan splitter. I would just completely ignore it and plug my fans into the motherboard, you'll get better control over them. If you use that fan controller all your case fans speeds will be based on the temperature of the cpu, which probably isn't a great thing since your cpu is going to run very cool on a Kraken X61 water cooler. I would just disconnect everything from that. That fan controller is something really nice to have if you're using a cheap motherboard that doesn't have a lot of fan headers, but your motherboard is very high end and has them.

Unplug that SATA power cable going to the fan splitter. It's confusing and the Phanteks case manual messed up here, but you don't want to plug that in to provide power to the splitter whether or not you use the splitter. If you do use the splitter you'd be plugging it into a PWM header that will provide power to it (but don't, there is no good reason to use that splitter with the board you have). That power cable is there for people using older computers that don't provide PWM fan control for the CPU.

Those black and yellow cables you have going up the back right side are probably not supposed to be there. What do the connectors look like:

1. An 8-pin connector that doesn't split into two?
2. An 8-pin connector that splits into two 4-pin connectors?
3. An 8-pin connector that splits into a 6-pin with a 2-pin that can be folded back?

In case 1 or 2 it's the ATX 12V cable your cpu needs for the power supply to power it. That will plugged in where I have circled in red below:

http://i.imgur.com/HcSXm2a.jpg

In case 3 they're cables for powering the graphics card.

For the fans your Kraken X61 is probably going to be plugged into the two fan headers I have circled in blue above. One of those headers will be called CPU_FAN, the other will be CPU_OPT. Since these are PWM headers it's almost certain that's where you'll want to plug your watercooler for the cpu into, but definitely follow the instructions that came with it. For the rear 140mm fan the case came with, I'd plug it into the fan header I have circle in green. For the front 200mm fan the case came with, I'd plug it into the fan header I have circled in orange.

[DMC]

Heh, that is my other project. Our old, old desktop has had the CD drive fail. Seems to have power, but the OS can't see it. Still running windows XP, so that needs to get updated, and possibly a new CD drive too. It still has a bunch of older games that I like (Axis and Allies, etc), so I hate to give it up. It still does the word processing and spreadsheets my wife needs it to.

Oi. If it isn't one thing it's another.
Look and see if the belt is broken. If so a rubber band will suffice for the time being. I've used o-rings as well.

[RandomGuy]

Oh man, that's a mess, you got shit configured wrong man.

That circuitboard is a fan splitter. I would just completely ignore it and plug my fans into the motherboard, you'll get better control over them. If you use that fan controller all your case fans speeds will be based on the temperature of the cpu, which probably isn't a great thing since your cpu is going to run very cool on a Kraken X61 water cooler. I would just disconnect everything from that. That fan controller is something really nice to have if you're using a cheap motherboard that doesn't have a lot of fan headers, but your motherboard is very high end and has them.

Unplug that SATA power cable going to the fan splitter. It's confusing and the Phanteks case manual messed up here, but you don't want to plug that in to provide power to the splitter whether or not you use the splitter. If you do use the splitter you'd be plugging it into a PWM header that will provide power to it (but don't, there is no good reason to use that splitter with the board you have). That power cable is there for people using older computers that don't provide PWM fan control for the CPU.

Those black and yellow cables you have going up the back right side are probably not supposed to be there. What do the connectors look like:

1. An 8-pin connector that doesn't split into two?
2. An 8-pin connector that splits into two 4-pin connectors?
3. An 8-pin connector that splits into a 6-pin with a 2-pin that can be folded back?

In case 1 or 2 it's the ATX 12V cable your cpu needs for the power supply to power it. That will plugged in where I have circled in red below:

http://i.imgur.com/HcSXm2a.jpg

In case 3 they're cables for powering the graphics card.

For the fans your Kraken X61 is probably going to be plugged into the two fan headers I have circled in blue above. One of those headers will be called CPU_FAN, the other will be CPU_OPT. Since these are PWM headers it's almost certain that's where you'll want to plug your watercooler for the cpu into, but definitely follow the instructions that came with it. For the rear 140mm fan the case came with, I'd plug it into the fan header I have circle in green. For the front 200mm fan the case came with, I'd plug it into the fan header I have circled in orange.

Fucking awesome. That is exactly the information I needed.

Thanks, yet again.

[Cry Havoc]

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[baseline bum]

https://i.imgur.com/ZhyOCWQ.png

https://i.imgur.com/5aHN4gj.png

OpenGL sucks on AMD. I hope Vulkan really takes off so I can dump Windows in a couple of years, fuck DX12.

[RandomGuy]

RandomGuy

what monitor u be gaming on man?

Well, have my eye on a 1ms 144hz monitor at best buy. may have to wait another paycheck. already a bit over budget, I don't want to eat into the emergency cash reserves to finish the build.

[baseline bum]

Well, have my eye on a 1ms 144hz monitor at best buy. may have to wait another paycheck. already a bit over budget, I don't want to eat into the emergency cash reserves to finish the build.

What monitor? You can probably do better at newegg since there is no sales tax. You get everything finished? If so do a Firestrike bench and post a link to the results.

[RandomGuy]

What monitor? You can probably do better at newegg since there is no sales tax. You get everything finished? If so do a Firestrike bench and post a link to the results.

Well, I got everything working. Didn't know that the CPU itself had to have a separate power connection, so it initially was just dead. Had to re-read your post above twice, but had the DERP moment, found the connector in the pile and got it running.

Not currently overclocked, and haven't messed with the settings or anything.

This post is the first thing I have done on the computer. Up next... installing chrome, steam, etc.

heh, couldn't sleep, thinking about computer, glad I put a bit more effort into it.

[baseline bum]

Well, I got everything working. Didn't know that the CPU itself had to have a separate power connection, so it initially was just dead. Had to re-read your post above twice, but had the DERP moment, found the connector in the pile and got it running.

Not currently overclocked, and haven't messed with the settings or anything.

This post is the first thing I have done on the computer. Up next... installing chrome, steam, etc.

heh, couldn't sleep, thinking about computer, glad I put a bit more effort into it.

That's why I have been asking you on for a Firestrike score, it will give a good indication on if everything is configured and working properly.

http://www.guru3d.com/files_details/3dmark_download.html

[baseline bum]

It would also be good to see what your cpu temperatures are like. I use this program called RealTemp to monitor temperatures.

https://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/

You could post what your temperatures are at idle (eg you're not doing shit on your computer) and then what they're like doing the Small FFT test on Prime95.

http://www.mersenne.org/download/

The Small FFT test in Prime95 puts a full cpu load on your system and will get your cpu about as hot as it possibly can get. It's a good way to test if you have your cooler installed properly. If your cpu temperature ever goes above 90 Celsius shut Prime95 down ASAP, you might need to reseat your cooler. You won't do any damage below 100C and at 100C your cpu should automatically throttle down its power. Make sure you click Stop from the Test menu to stop the execution though, because if you click the X at the top right of the Window it will just put it in the background. You should run the tests and report the temperatures you read after say 20 minutes or so. Any time I buy a new CPU I stress test it with Prime 95's Small FFT test for at least 3 hours or so while using CPU-Z (http://www.cpuid.com/downloads/cpu-z/cpu-z_1.76-en.zip) to make sure it's running full speed the entire time (no thermal throttling).

[RandomGuy]

That's why I have been asking you on for a Firestrike score, it will give a good indication on if everything is configured and working properly.

http://www.guru3d.com/files_details/3dmark_download.html

downloading now. Will post in a bit

[RandomGuy]

It would also be good to see what your cpu temperatures are like. I use this program called RealTemp to monitor temperatures.

https://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/

You could post what your temperatures are at idle (eg you're not doing shit on your computer) and then what they're like doing the Small FFT test on Prime95.

http://www.mersenne.org/download/

The Small FFT test in Prime95 puts a full cpu load on your system and will get your cpu about as hot as it possibly can get. It's a good way to test if you have your cooler installed properly. If your cpu temperature ever goes above 90 Celsius shut Prime95 down ASAP, you might need to reseat your cooler. You won't do any damage below 100C and at 100C your cpu should automatically throttle down its power. Make sure you click Stop from the Test menu to stop the execution though, because if you click the X at the top right of the Window it will just put it in the background. You should run the tests and report the temperatures you read after say 20 minutes or so. Any time I buy a new CPU I stress test it with Prime 95's Small FFT test for at least 3 hours or so while using CPU-Z (http://www.cpuid.com/downloads/cpu-z/cpu-z_1.76-en.zip) to make sure it's running full speed the entire time (no thermal throttling).

Well right now the radiator is pretty much room temp. the top of the cpu cooling system is barely warm. Keep in mind I haven't overclocked it yet.

The cage is completely open, as I haven't finished tying everything down and closing it up, so I could access everything.

Also bought a corsair KB and mouse at best buy.

[baseline bum]

Well right now the radiator is pretty much room temp. the top of the cpu cooling system is barely warm. Keep in mind I haven't overclocked it yet.

The cage is completely open, as I haven't finished tying everything down and closing it up, so I could access everything.

Also bought a corsair KB and mouse at best buy.

The Prime95 Small FFT test should generate a decent amount of heat on a 130W processor running balls to the wall. I would definitely run it to see if your cooling is on right and to make sure your chip is working properly. Your cpu should stay at the full hexacore turbo (I think it's 3.4 GHz at stock) even while running for hours. You can use the CPU-Z program I mentioned before to check the clockspeed of your cpu. When your cpu is under light load it will scale back to as low as 800 MHz or so to save power, but under 100% load it should be running at its full speed.

[baseline bum]

Here is a screenshot running RealTemp and CPU-Z together.

http://i.imgur.com/sqjKNxh.png

It would be worthwhile to note what voltage CPU-Z is showing for "Core Voltage" while running Prime95 Small FFT as well as the temperatures shown by RealTemp.

[RandomGuy]

okaaay. Firestrike score 12725 better than 86% of scores.
Graphics 15248
physics 13374
combined 5501


Graphics Card

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070

Vendor

ZOTAC

# of cards

1

SLI / CrossFire

Off

Memory

8,192 MB

Core clock

1,987 MHz

Memory bus clock

2,003 MHz

Driver version

10.18.13.6839


Processor

Intel Core i7-5820K Processor

Reported stock core clock

3,300 MHz

Maximum turbo core clock

3,396 MHz

Physical / logical processors

1 / 12

# of cores

6

Package

LGA2011-v3

Manufacturing process

22 nm

TDP

140 W




General

Operating system

64-bit Windows 10 (10.0.10586)

Motherboard

ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. X99-A

Memory

16,384 MB

Module 1

4,096 MB G.Skill DDR4 @ 2,130 MHz

Module 2

4,096 MB G.Skill DDR4 @ 2,130 MHz

Module 3

4,096 MB G.Skill DDR4 @ 2,130 MHz

Module 4

4,096 MB G.Skill DDR4 @ 2,130 MHz

Hard drive model

500 GB Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB

[baseline bum]

okaaay. Firestrike score 12725 better than 86% of scores.
Graphics 15248
physics 13374
combined 5501

Can you post the URL for the results? That's a very low graphics score for that GPU, it should be around 19000 or so. Did you install the Nvidia drivers through Windows Update instead of from Nvidia? Or did you use the drivers on the disk? That's around the graphics score you would get from a heavily overclocked GTX 980, and the 1070 is worlds more powerful than the 980.

[baseline bum]

The CPU score (eg the physics score) seems pretty normal.

[baseline bum]

To give you an idea, here is my Firestrike.

http://i.imgur.com/3cArWGX.png

Your graphics score should be way higher than 123% of mine, it should be more like 150% or so (I'm using a slightly overclocked GTX 970).

[baseline bum]

If you have GeForce Experience installed (you should if you installed the driver from Nvidia's website) you can find your driver version from the Driver tab. As you can see, I don't have the newest one installed yet. :lol

http://i.imgur.com/znXFdPr.png

[baseline bum]

After doing a little more research, the graphics score to expect should be in the neighborhood of 17500 in Firestrike with a 1070 at stock, 19000 is more for one with an overclock. It's probably something that can be fixed with a driver reinstall, though I would do it with DDU.

http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html

And then install the driver from Nvidia's website.

[RandomGuy]

Can you post the URL for the results? That's a very low graphics score for that GPU, it should be around 19000 or so. Did you install the Nvidia drivers through Windows Update instead of from Nvidia? Or did you use the drivers on the disk? That's around the graphics score you would get from a heavily overclocked GTX 980, and the 1070 is worlds more powerful than the 980.

Let windows update handle it. Ran it a couple of times more, and the subsequent scores came down to about 10,700

Don't have a functioning CD drive in the house.

Graphics Score
14 883

Physics Score
9 929

Combined Score
3 656

(edit) Yeah, I know I need to use the drivers from the manufacturer. just wanted to get system up and running first. fine tuning will have to wait until next weekend. Don't have a lot of time to spend on it this weekend. Some old, dear friends are coming over this afternoon, and we need to finish cleaning the house to the wife's specs. As excited as I am, I am happier to see the old friends, who we haven't seen in years.

So, the bulk of the fine tuning, will frustratingly have to wait until after work and next weekend. Still have to do some car maint, yard work, and cleaning. :bang

[RandomGuy]

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/13356596

[RandomGuy]

Can you post the URL for the results? That's a very low graphics score for that GPU, it should be around 19000 or so. Did you install the Nvidia drivers through Windows Update instead of from Nvidia? Or did you use the drivers on the disk? That's around the graphics score you would get from a heavily overclocked GTX 980, and the 1070 is worlds more powerful than the 980.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/13358363

Installed the lastest drivers, got very similar results to the first run.
Graphics 15358
physics 13410
combined 5577

[RandomGuy]

Ugh. Times up. Have to get to house-/car-/yardwork.

[baseline bum]

Let windows update handle it. Ran it a couple of times more, and the subsequent scores came down to about 10,700

Don't have a functioning CD drive in the house.

Graphics Score
14 883

Physics Score
9 929

Combined Score
3 656

(edit) Yeah, I know I need to use the drivers from the manufacturer. just wanted to get system up and running first. fine tuning will have to wait until next weekend. Don't have a lot of time to spend on it this weekend. Some old, dear friends are coming over this afternoon, and we need to finish cleaning the house to the wife's specs. As excited as I am, I am happier to see the old friends, who we haven't seen in years.

So, the bulk of the fine tuning, will frustratingly have to wait until after work and next weekend. Still have to do some car maint, yard work, and cleaning. :bang

What you should do next weekend when you have time is uninstall drivers through DDU (I posted a link above). It will boot you into safe mode to uninstall, I think it should do it automatically. Never install video card drivers through Windows Update. After uninstalling through DDU you should click the download link for automatic driver updates below (this will install GeForce Experience).

http://www.geforce.com/drivers

This should unlock the full power of your gpu. Your Firestrike score lists your clockrate at 2.0 GHz which is really fucking good for a 1070 out of the box. This should be a very high performing card once you get drivers sorted out next week. Just remember the uninstall has to be done via the DDU utility I linked above, Windows is retarded in having to go into safe mode to uninstall your video drivers. And Windows Update is retarded in the drivers it uses. I'm almost certain this low Firestrike score is caused by drivers. I can't imagine it's thermal throttling, but I'll show you how to check for that later on if proper driver install doesn't fix it.

[baseline bum]

Damn that 9929 physics score is awful for that cpu. Near 13500 is about where you should be, like in your first and last tests. Are you sure you weren't running something else while benchmarking? That's lower than my quadcore Xeon.

[RandomGuy]

Damn that 9929 physics score is awful for that cpu. Near 13500 is about where you should be, like in your first and last tests. Are you sure you weren't running something else while benchmarking? That's lower than my quadcore Xeon.

I think I had a browswer window open. :/

I will try to run a few tests, including the prime thing this evening. I want to read up on the overclocking as well, so I will be ready to do the final tweaking this weekend.

Right now the cage is open, the cables are willy-nilly, and it isn't neat. I will tie up the cables, then get to seriously pushing the thing, and making sure it is running to speed, with the case in normal buttoned up mode. oi vey, would that I had the time. I have the job for the $$$, but time is hard to come by.

[baseline bum]

I think I had a browswer window open. :/

I will try to run a few tests, including the prime thing this evening. I want to read up on the overclocking as well, so I will be ready to do the final tweaking this weekend.

Right now the cage is open, the cables are willy-nilly, and it isn't neat. I will tie up the cables, then get to seriously pushing the thing, and making sure it is running to speed, with the case in normal buttoned up mode. oi vey, would that I had the time. I have the job for the $$$, but time is hard to come by.

Have you seen how to do the cables in the Enthoo Pro? It's a case built for being really to organize since it has so many options for routing the cables behind the motherboard tray. You shouldn't need to tie anything thanks to the velcro cable management loops behind the tray.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCN4-bvee-Y

[baseline bum]

For overclocking if you want to do it the easy way Asus will have software tools to do it. If you want to do it the right way follow the Haswell Overclocking Guide from overclock.net.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1411077/haswell-overclocking-guide-with-statistics

[RandomGuy]

crap. now that I have the thing running, I can't find the games recommended posts.. erk.

[RandomGuy]

Crap, how could I forget Skyrim among must plays?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH1GUi8rNQk

It's easily the best RPG I have ever played. Even better, you can use fan made mods to make it among the best looking games out there even though it's five years old. DJR210 can probably point you in the right direction for modding Skyrim.

Erg. Found all the game recommendations... hard to know what to get first. Skyrim comes the most recommendations. (note for future self.. check around post 700 of thread)

[baseline bum]

Erg. Found all the game recommendations... hard to know what to get first. Skyrim comes the most recommendations. (note for future self.. check around post 700 of thread)

Skyrim is one of the greatest games ever made and normally I would say go ahead and get it now. But the developer is releasing a special edition on October 28th with much improved lighting and modern graphics. I mean it's a game that would be worth buying for $150, I'm dead serious, it's that good. But I'd wait for the remaster considering how many great games there are out there that you haven't played. Chief among them when you also want something to show off how impressive your system is graphically is probably Witcher 3. It's another huge game that's worth at least twice the selling price if you like action RPGs, and graphically it's top notch, the lighting is incredible and you have a gpu powerful enough to run HairWorks (though make sure to use DDU to uninstall your gpu drivers and then install the drivers from geforce.com). Just don't let the kids see you banging hookers in the game. :lol

Dying Light is really fun too, brilliantly violent and like a zombie B-movie. It's probably my favorite game of 2015 (even over Witcher 3 and Fallout 4). I wouldn't jump on Fallout 4 immediately though, the entire series (Fallout 1, Fallout 2, Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas, Fallout 4) is highly worth playing though none is very impressive graphically, and 1 & 2 are 1990s isometric view games (though 1 & 2 have the best storylines).

I can highly recommend all of the following games -- I'll put a + for games that are really impressive graphically and an * for old games 2010 and before.

Role-Playing Games:
Skyrim, Witcher 3(+), Fallout 1-3(*), Fallout New Vegas(*), Fallout 4, Dragon Age Inquisition(+), Oblivion(*)

First person shooters:
Bioshock Infinite(+), Far Cry 4(+), Far Cry 3, Metro 2033 Redux(+), Metro Last Light Redux(+), Call of Duty Modern Warfare 1(*), Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2(*), Half Life 1(*), Half Life 2(*), Crysis 1(+*)

First person Action Games:
Dying Light(+)

Puzzle Games:
Portal 1(*), Portal 2

3rd Person Action Games:
Grand Theft Auto V(+), Tomb Raider 2013(+), Rise of the Tomb Raider(+), Assassins Creed 2(*), Assassins Creed Brotherhood(*)

Sports Games:
NBA 2k16

Just go check IGN reviews on youtube to get an idea which games might interest you from this list. The games with the best storylines are Fallout 2 (though you should play Fallout 1 before it, it's also excellent) and Bioshock Infinite (quantum mechanics plays a key role in this game).

[baseline bum]

What really makes the Fallout games is the 1950s nostalgia

[DisAsTerBot]

Gtx1060 founders edition ordered

[baseline bum]

Gtx1060 founders edition ordered

Nice, it looks like a pretty awesome card.

[baseline bum]

Damn, the GTX 1060 is 89% faster than the GTX 960 at 1080p in techpowerup's test suite of ~20 games or so. It's nice to see a really badass 60 series card again like 660 and 760 were.

https://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1060/images/perfrel_1920_1080.png

[TDMVPDPOY]

would u guys buy a previous gen card thats decreasing in price? say r9 fury over 1080/1070/480x

[baseline bum]

would u guys buy a previous gen card thats decreasing in price? say r9 fury over 1080/1070/480x

The R9 Fury is pretty badass card but good luck finding one at a good price, the cheapest one I can find in the US is $500, and you can get the much better GTX 1070 for $430 right now. The R9 Fury outperforms the RX 480 by about 20% at 1440p but the GTX 1070 is about 25% faster than the R9 Fury at 1440p. So I wouldn't even consider buying one unless it's less than midway in price between the GTX 1070 and GTX 1060/RX 480. In US prices I don't think I'd pay more than maybe $320 for an R9 Fury, especially since they're such crap overclockers and only have 4GB VRAM.

[TDMVPDPOY]

The R9 Fury is pretty badass card but good luck finding one at a good price, the cheapest one I can find in the US is $500, and you can get the much better GTX 1070 for $430 right now. The R9 Fury outperforms the RX 480 by about 20% at 1440p but the GTX 1070 is about 25% faster than the R9 Fury at 1440p. So I wouldn't even consider buying one unless it's less than midway in price between the GTX 1070 and GTX 1060/RX 480. In US prices I don't think I'd pay more than maybe $320 for an R9 Fury, especially since they're such crap overclockers and only have 4GB VRAM.

569aud down here...4gb xfx r9 fury from newegg global

[baseline bum]

569aud down here...4gb xfx r9 fury from newegg global

What do 1070, 1060, and 480 cost?

[TDMVPDPOY]

What do 1070, 1060, and 480 cost?

rx480 aud$420-440
1060 aud$430-550
1070 aud$700-800
1080 aud$1100-1200

more news titan x http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-pascal-titan-x-revealed,32309.html

USD$1200 TITAN X 12gb direct from nvidia?

[baseline bum]

CROFL their new card is called the Titan X. :lmao

And then next year we'll have the Titan X Black using GP100 instead of GP102 like in the Titan X Pascal?

[RandomGuy]

Skyrim is one of the greatest games ever made and normally I would say go ahead and get it now. But the developer is releasing a special edition on October 28th with much improved lighting and modern graphics. I mean it's a game that would be worth buying for $150, I'm dead serious, it's that good. But I'd wait for the remaster considering how many great games there are out there that you haven't played. Chief among them when you also want something to show off how impressive your system is graphically is probably Witcher 3. It's another huge game that's worth at least twice the selling price if you like action RPGs, and graphically it's top notch, the lighting is incredible and you have a gpu powerful enough to run HairWorks (though make sure to use DDU to uninstall your gpu drivers and then install the drivers from geforce.com). Just don't let the kids see you banging hookers in the game. :lol

Dying Light is really fun too, brilliantly violent and like a zombie B-movie. It's probably my favorite game of 2015 (even over Witcher 3 and Fallout 4). I wouldn't jump on Fallout 4 immediately though, the entire series (Fallout 1, Fallout 2, Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas, Fallout 4) is highly worth playing though none is very impressive graphically, and 1 & 2 are 1990s isometric view games (though 1 & 2 have the best storylines).

I can highly recommend all of the following games -- I'll put a + for games that are really impressive graphically and an * for old games 2010 and before.

Role-Playing Games:
Skyrim, Witcher 3(+), Fallout 1-3(*), Fallout New Vegas(*), Fallout 4, Dragon Age Inquisition(+), Oblivion(*)

First person shooters:
Bioshock Infinite(+), Far Cry 4(+), Far Cry 3, Metro 2033 Redux(+), Metro Last Light Redux(+), Call of Duty Modern Warfare 1(*), Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2(*), Half Life 1(*), Half Life 2(*), Crysis 1(+*)

First person Action Games:
Dying Light(+)

Puzzle Games:
Portal 1(*), Portal 2

3rd Person Action Games:
Grand Theft Auto V(+), Tomb Raider 2013(+), Rise of the Tomb Raider(+), Assassins Creed 2(*), Assassins Creed Brotherhood(*)

Sports Games:
NBA 2k16

Just go check IGN reviews on youtube to get an idea which games might interest you from this list. The games with the best storylines are Fallout 2 (though you should play Fallout 1 before it, it's also excellent) and Bioshock Infinite (quantum mechanics plays a key role in this game).

I have a guilty confession:

First game I played was a turn based strategy game, my first love. (gal civ III)

I got it out of my system.

I will be buying witcher 3 now, and playing it. Still need to get the overclocking done.

[baseline bum]

I have a guilty confession:

First game I played was a turn based strategy game, my first love. (gal civ III)

I got it out of my system.

I will be buying witcher 3 now, and playing it. Still need to get the overclocking done.

Did you ever remove the drivers using DDU and then reinstall from nvidia?

http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html

http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/105037/en-us


If you have done that, post a Firestrike score done with nothing else going in the background. You should easily pull 17500 to 19000 on graphics. Getting your driver situation handled is important for turning on all the eye candy in Witcher 3, especially Hairworks. Hairworks is a really cool effect, but it needs a really serious gpu to be able to run it without tanking framerates way below 60 fps. My GTX 970 isn't up to the task at 1080p, but your GTX 1070 is about 60% stronger than my GTX 970 in that game and I bet you will be able to get a consistent 60 fps with it on once you get drivers sorted out. But your $450 gpu is going to perform like a $300 one until you get the drivers right.

[baseline bum]

I have a guilty confession:

First game I played was a turn based strategy game, my first love. (gal civ III)

I got it out of my system.


LOL guilty confession. If it makes you feel any better I'm playing Half Life 1 on a once $350 GPU (GTX 970) right now. That game could be run flawlessly on my GeForce 8400 GS (which was a spectacularly weak GPU when it came out in 2009 :lol). If you haven't played the Half Life series, it's a must btw. The Source version of Half Life 1 is the one to get though, the 1999 original is a real bitch to run on a modern Windows. But it's an amazing series:

Half Life 1 --> Half Life 2 --> Half Life 2 Episode 1 --> Half Life 2 Episode 2 --> Portal 1 --> Portal 2 --> Hopefully someday Half Life 3

[resistanze]

--> Hopefully someday Half Life 3

http://i.giphy.com/5YF9dwGZ29rVe.gif

[RandomGuy]

LOL guilty confession. If it makes you feel any better I'm playing Half Life 1 on a once $350 GPU (GTX 970) right now. That game could be run flawlessly on my GeForce 8400 GS (which was a spectacularly weak GPU when it came out in 2009 :lol). If you haven't played the Half Life series, it's a must btw. The Source version of Half Life 1 is the one to get though, the 1999 original is a real bitch to run on a modern Windows. But it's an amazing series:

Half Life 1 --> Half Life 2 --> Half Life 2 Episode 1 --> Half Life 2 Episode 2 --> Portal 1 --> Portal 2 --> Hopefully someday Half Life 3

Witcher 3 looks to be a spectacular game. I just played the first few minutes of the tutorial, and and it hits on story, visuals, and game play.

Half life will be put on the short list.

[RandomGuy]

Did you ever remove the drivers using DDU and then reinstall from nvidia?

http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html

http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/105037/en-us


If you have done that, post a Firestrike score done with nothing else going in the background. You should easily pull 17500 to 19000 on graphics. Getting your driver situation handled is important for turning on all the eye candy in Witcher 3, especially Hairworks. Hairworks is a really cool effect, but it needs a really serious gpu to be able to run it without tanking framerates way below 60 fps. My GTX 970 isn't up to the task at 1080p, but your GTX 1070 is about 60% stronger than my GTX 970 in that game and I bet you will be able to get a consistent 60 fps with it on once you get drivers sorted out. But your $450 gpu is going to perform like a $300 one until you get the drivers right.

Not yet. I think I will try that this weekend. I hate mucking around with drivers, but know they are key to getting the most out of hardware.

Drivers and overclocking. I will NOT buy this fucking cool of a system and puss out on getting it buffed. This is the kind of a computer that I have wanted for years. Now I have the grown up $$$ to do it, so I am going to.

Must say though, that I blew waaay past the $1400 budget. Add in the monitor, and it will probably top $2k by the time I am done.

Luckily wife knows we have the money, and have needed a new computer for a while. I will not need to buy a new one for quite a while after this, so that helped sell it too.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Quick question if I take out my OS drive and put it in another computer as the OS drive will it corrupt windows and I'll need to reinstall windows 8.1?

[leemajors]

Quick question if I take out my OS drive and put it in another computer as the OS drive will it corrupt windows and I'll need to reinstall windows 8.1?

Should be fine, I have done it many times before. I had some issues with it years ago but that was before Windows 7.

[baseline bum]

Quick question if I take out my OS drive and put it in another computer as the OS drive will it corrupt windows and I'll need to reinstall windows 8.1?


Should be fine, I have done it many times before. I had some issues with it years ago but that was before Windows 7.

I thought Windows licenses were tied to specific motherboards. At least with OEM Windows. Maybe it's different with retail Windows?

[ElNono]

Worst case you have to call Microsoft and tell them you changed motherboards.... they'll reauthorize it online

[ElNono]

the biggest issue is that you might need to start in safe mode, since video drivers might crash your bootup

[baseline bum]

Not yet. I think I will try that this weekend. I hate mucking around with drivers, but know they are key to getting the most out of hardware.

Drivers and overclocking. I will NOT buy this fucking cool of a system and puss out on getting it buffed. This is the kind of a computer that I have wanted for years. Now I have the grown up $$$ to do it, so I am going to.

Must say though, that I blew waaay past the $1400 budget. Add in the monitor, and it will probably top $2k by the time I am done.

Luckily wife knows we have the money, and have needed a new computer for a while. I will not need to buy a new one for quite a while after this, so that helped sell it too.

If you're going to go big you should consider a 1440p GSync IPS panel. About $700-$800 but it would alleviate the need to try to optimize for a locked 60 fps, as supposedly you can drop down to 45 fps or so and it still looks good since the refresh rate from the monitor would be perfectly in sync with the render rate from the gpu. You could save a few bucks going with a TN panel but might as well go IPS for the better viewing angles and colors. 1440p has about 78% more pixels than 1080p so the image quality is significantly higher than 1080p, and you have a very legit 1440p gpu with the 1070.

But your gpu will age (gpu technology still advances way faster than cpu tech) and in a couple of years you will need to turn down settings to get that locked 60 fps. Using a 60 Hz monitor I usually aim for settings that would have me averaging about 80 fps if I turned VSync off, which ensures my frame dips usually aren't much below 60 fps. But with a GSync monitor you could target 60 fps average and your monentary dips to 45-50 fps in particulary taxing sections of the game probably wouldn't be noticeable. I say probably because I haven't used a GSync panel, I don't know anyone who has one and you just can't go see a display of one at Best Buy or Altex. But supposedly that synchronization between refresh and render rate really smooths out occasional frame drops.

Anyways, GSync would allow you to play games from 45 fps to 144 fps. If you can get 80-90 fps in games it's really fucking sweet. It's not the night and day difference that 60 fps is over 30 fps, but it's still pretty badass.

[TDMVPDPOY]

I thought Windows licenses were tied to specific motherboards. At least with OEM Windows. Maybe it's different with retail Windows?

OEM is tied to motherboard which is recorded by ms

retail is not tied to the motherboard (but a fresh install is recommended if its going to be main drive again, if not no need to format clean install unless u want that hdd space)
if its going to be main drive, and u dont do a fresh install, the previous motherboard drivers is going to conflict with the new motherboard

[RandomGuy]

the biggest issue is that you might need to start in safe mode, since video drivers might crash your bootup

Yeah that is my worry. I hate messing around with video drivers for that reason. If something goes wrong, a lot of the time you can't see anything to be able to fix it. :lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

looking at these clowns who buy the high end cards like 1070/1080 fe...

yet they game on a fkn 1080 screen? investing in such a card, you should be gaming at leasts on a 1440 or 144mhz screen

[baseline bum]

looking at these clowns who buy the high end cards like 1070/1080 fe...

yet they game on a fkn 1080 screen? investing in such a card, you should be gaming at leasts on a 1440 or 144mhz screen

Pretty sure no card on the market could do 144000000 fps tbh

[TDMVPDPOY]

u know how there is ddr3 for pc
then ddr5 or hbm for video cards
and then server ram

why not have hbm ram for the pc? which is faster then whatever ddr standard format currently is

[TDMVPDPOY]

so titan is officially released today in stores

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/pascal-absed-geforce-titan-x-available-from-today.html
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/73148-nvidia-titan-x-12gb-performance-review.html

benchmark
http://videocardz.com/62738/nvidia-titan-x-pascal-3dmark-performance

[TDMVPDPOY]

1200 for titanx pascal, buut its performance is only about 5-7% better then the gtx1080 overclock version...titanx doesnt justify 1200bucks

hence when 1080ti is released, htf are they going to slot that between 1080 oveclock and titanx? in terms of performance price ratio?

[baseline bum]

1200 for titanx pascal, buut its performance is only about 5-7% better then the gtx1080 overclock version...titanx doesnt justify 1200bucks

hence when 1080ti is released, htf are they going to slot that between 1080 oveclock and titanx? in terms of performance price ratio?

Huh? Titan X Pascal is like 25% better than GTX 1080 at 1080p and 35% better at 4k. The cooler really sucks on it though, it's not even good for the 1080 much less the much hotter running Titan X Pascal. I bet these Titans will fucking kill in watercooled systems though, and if you're spending $1200 on a video card what's another $100 for a waterblock?

[RandomGuy]

Got Witcher 3.

Great RPG game. visually awesome, with an awful lot of obvious thought put into story and so forth.

Moral/technical conundrum: See "loot" everywhere, including peasant houses that I can just wander into. What happens if I pick the place clean? I don't think it is harmful, although I feel guilty doing it. I would prefer to play as realistically/ethically as possible, but if it is not harmful at all, then I am happy to vacuum up everything I can.

[baseline bum]

Got Witcher 3.

Great RPG game. visually awesome, with an awful lot of obvious thought put into story and so forth.

Moral/technical conundrum: See "loot" everywhere, including peasant houses that I can just wander into. What happens if I pick the place clean? I don't think it is harmful, although I feel guilty doing it. I would prefer to play as realistically/ethically as possible, but if it is not harmful at all, then I am happy to vacuum up everything I can.

I wouldn't worry about realism tbh, I mean you're a freaking mutant slaying harpies and flying dragons and shit. :lol

If you like the game the two expansions (Hearts of Stone and Blood and Wine) are highly worth getting also. Or did you buy a Game of the Year edition with all the DLC already installed? Witcher 3 is pretty much the gold standard of PC gaming, and it's definitely one of the games that makes you glad you have a good video card and good cpu. Are you running with HBAO+ turned on? It really makes the indoor lighting spectacular, and your gpu will easily handle it (mine does and your's is about 55% better). You can easily spend 300 hours in this game, there is an enormous amount of content. It took me months to play.

One tip: really pay attention to the choices you make. The important ones are timed and can greatly affect the way the story plays out. Without giving spoilers, there are multiple main endings for the game. So pay attention to who you ally with and what choices you make, don't just run through them.

Also the story is based on a series of books. CD Projekt Red didn't come up with the story on their own. :lol

[DisAsTerBot]

got my case, gpu, motherboard and ram. only a few more components to go!

[DJR210]

After a bunch of thought, I decided to pick up a Steam controller.. The customization options are great, being able to browse the best community mappings from the menu is convenient. The trackpads feel responsive after some tweaking of sensitivity and haptic feedback. It will take some getting used to, but it was decent w/ GTA V.

My only gripe at this point is the terrible placement of the face buttons, and not having a right stick.

[baseline bum]

After a bunch of thought, I decided to pick up a Steam controller.. The customization options are great, being able to browse the best community mappings from the menu is convenient. The trackpads feel responsive after some tweaking of sensitivity and haptic feedback. It will take some getting used to, but it was decent w/ GTA V.

My only gripe at this point is the terrible placement of the face buttons, and not having a right stick.

Man that thing looks like shit. If it takes getting used to you should just send it back for a refund. First time I tried an XBox 360 controller it felt second nature and it's still far and away the best controller I have ever used.

[ElNono]

The DS4 is the best controller ever, IMO. Wish Sony would do a full blow bluetooth driver for it for Windows, instead of the USB only support. Especially with support for the headphone port...

[baseline bum]

The DS4 is the best controller ever, IMO. Wish Sony would do a full blow bluetooth driver for it for Windows, instead of the USB only support. Especially with support for the headphone port...

I have never tried it. I loved the DS2, and hated the DS3. What makes the DS4 better than the X360 controller to you?

[DJR210]

Man that thing looks like shit. If it takes getting used to you should just send it back for a refund. First time I tried an XBox 360 controller it felt second nature and it's still far and away the best controller I have ever used.

I already have a 360 controller, wanted something different. It's pretty damn good so far. This mouse+gyro mapping I downloaded for GTA V is the shit.. being able to fine tune your shots with a slight tilt is fun as hell. I just hate the face buttons

[ElNono]

I have never tried it. I loved the DS2, and hated the DS3. What makes the DS4 better than the X360 controller to you?

It has the headphone plug, microphone built-in, gyroscope sensor, two-motor rumble, clickable multitouch touchpad with 1920x1080 resolution (you can use it like a laptop trackpad), and the multi-color LED is fucking cool (you can basically set any color for it, on GTA V, for example, toggless between red and blue when you're being chased by cops). The ergonomics are nice, it feels solid and a little heavy (which I like), probably due to a hefty rechargeable battery in it.

[baseline bum]

It has the headphone plug, microphone built-in, gyroscope sensor, two-motor rumble, clickable multitouch touchpad with 1920x1080 resolution (you can use it like a laptop trackpad), and the multi-color LED is fucking cool (you can basically set any color for it, on GTA V, for example, toggless between red and blue when you're being chased by cops).

None of that shit matters to me. :lol


The ergonomics are nice, it feels solid and a little heavy (which I like), probably due to a hefty rechargeable battery in it.

That's what I liked so much about the DS2, and what I hated about DS3, which was light and felt like a cheap Chink facsimile of the DS2. :lol

[ElNono]

None of that shit matters to me. :lol

I would just love the headphone jack... I like the wired headphones I have and don't like bluetooth headphones (hate to have to charge them all the time). What I do appreciate about my wireless XBOX 360 controller is that I can use regular AA batteries with it.

[baseline bum]

Wow, Nvidia is allegedly going to release Volta in 2017. Now I'm definitely skipping Pascal.

[DJR210]

Wow, Nvidia is allegedly going to release Volta in 2017. Now I'm definitely skipping Pascal.

:lol you've allegededly skipped every generation since Tesla tbh

[baseline bum]

:lol you've allegededly skipped every generation since Tesla tbh

Tesla's not a generation man, it's a line of HPC cards they make every generation. Also, how a nigga rocking 600 series gonna make that argument when I'm running 900 series? :lol

[DJR210]

Tesla's not a generation man, it's a line of HPC cards they make every generation. Also, how a nigga rocking 600 series gonna make that argument when I'm running 900 series? :lol

Shit.. 600 series, but I keep it keep it clean though

[baseline bum]

Shit.. 600 series, but I keep it keep it clean though

I thought your ass was getting a 1070. I'm tempted, but if Volta is coming out 2017 I'm going to make my 970 last another year unless Maxwell just gets raped by the new Mass Effect or new Deus Ex. I have already seen video showing the 970 is pretty badass in the Battlefield 1 alpha. I'm sure even Pascal will get killed by Watch Dogs 2. Maybe Ubisoft makes it a decent game though. AC1 was dogshit but they got AC2 and AC Brotherhood right.

[DJR210]

I thought your ass was getting a 1070. I'm tempted, but if Volta is coming out 2017 I'm going to make my 970 last another year unless Maxwell just gets raped by the new Mass Effect or new Deus Ex. I have already seen video showing the 970 is pretty badass in the Battlefield 1 alpha. I'm sure even Pascal will get killed by Watch Dogs 2. Maybe Ubisoft makes it a decent game though. AC1 was dogshit but they got AC2 and AC Brotherhood right.

.. and don't come at me like you're 3 gens ahead bastard, we both know the desktop version should be labeled as a 900 series, not a 10... and yeah I want the new card, but my gaming has slowed to the point where I'm sitting there with the available cash and just can't get the balls to pull the trigger on a new card

[baseline bum]

.. and don't come at me like you're 3 gens ahead bastard, we both know the desktop version should be labeled as a 900 series, not a 10... and yeah I want the new card, but my gaming has slowed to the point where I'm sitting there with the available cash and just can't get the balls to pull the trigger on a new card

Don't fret, I'm sure CPY + CODEX will have you covered now that they have cracked Denuvo in ROTR.

[DJR210]

Don't fret, I'm sure CPY + CODEX will have you covered now that they have cracked Denuvo in ROTR.

:lol they need to crack the hardware and start selling knockoffs for 50 bucks tbh

[baseline bum]

Hey ElNono man, I know how much you like mini ITX cases. Check this shit, it's gotta be the smallest case I have ever seen that can fit in a real gpu.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXLnDVj4Ndo

Damn this case is only 7.25 liters (as opposed to my 69.1 liter Phanteks Enthoo Pro full tower :lol).

[ElNono]

Damn, I want. I like the case I have but it does feel a bit on the big size. Maybe the next build, tbh

[baseline bum]

got my case, gpu, motherboard and ram. only a few more components to go!So how is your GTX 1060? I think that has to easily be the best card in that price range since the GTX 660 Ti (though HD 4870 still probably has to be the best ever).

[DisAsTerBot]

So how is your GTX 1060? I think that has to easily be the best card in that price range since the GTX 660 Ti (though HD 4870 still probably has to be the best ever).

havent built the system yet. Just moved in to a new house so I've been super busy. But i do have all the components ready to go and im going to try to get it built this weekend. super excited

[baseline bum]

havent built the system yet. Just moved in to a new house so I've been super busy. But i do have all the components ready to go and im going to try to get it built this weekend. super excitedWhat cpu and board you using?

[DisAsTerBot]

What cpu and board you using?

here's what i went with
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/PCDCzM

[baseline bum]

here's what i went with
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/PCDCzM

Nice, that should be a pretty badass system. You went way overboard on that psu though, you could have run that system easily on 350W. :lol Still, EVGA B2 are really high quality power supplies.

[DisAsTerBot]

Nice, that should be a pretty badass system. You went way overboard on that psu though, you could have run that system easily on 350W. :lol Still, EVGA B2 are really high quality power supplies.

yeah it was recommended and i didn't really realize until after ordering it that i could have gone way lower wattage.

[DJR210]

here's what i went with
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/PCDCzM

:lol you already have the GPU or what?

[DisAsTerBot]

double

[DisAsTerBot]

:lol you already have the GPU or what?

yeah got the gtx 1060

[DJR210]

yeah got the gtx 1060

Whew, thought you might be running integrated for a second there

[baseline bum]

Damn sadly the GTX 970 does get raped by Deus Ex. It's like 50 fps at fucking 1080p medium. :depressed

[baseline bum]

yeah it was recommended and i didn't really realize until after ordering it that i could have gone way lower wattage.

Oh well, that shit should last forever. It's made by an OEM called Super Flower that is the top of the line for power supplies (unless you want to go nuts with Corsair AX 1500W and shit :lol). That's why EVGA offers 5, 7, and 10 year warranties on the B2 and G2 power supplies when most (good) psus come with 3 or 5 year warranties.

[resistanze]

Damn sadly the GTX 970 does get raped by Deus Ex. It's like 50 fps at fucking 1080p medium. :depressed

Wow, a shitty optimized game. Between that and the not-so-amazing reviews, color me unimpressed now.

[baseline bum]

Wow, a shitty optimized game. Between that and the not-so-amazing reviews, color me unimpressed now.

It's heavily AMD optimized to the point the GTX 970 and the piece of shit R9 380x perform about the same at 1080p.

http://gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/Action/Deus_Ex_Mankind_Divided_/test/new/dex_1920.jpg

[DisAsTerBot]

Oh well, that shit should last forever. It's made by an OEM called Super Flower that is the top of the line for power supplies (unless you want to go nuts with Corsair AX 1500W and shit :lol). That's why EVGA offers 5, 7, and 10 year warranties on the B2 and G2 power supplies when most (good) psus come with 3 or 5 year warranties.

why is my firestrike score so low??
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/14592289

[baseline bum]

why is my firestrike score so low??
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/14592289

What's your regular Firestrike score? I'm not too familiar with Time Spy scores. Just right off hand your score is 18% higher than their i5-4590 + GTX 970 score, which sounds about right since the GTX 1060 is about 15% stronger than the GTX 970 and the i5-6600 is about 10% faster than the i5-4590. It's probably only listed at 42% because Time Spy is a really new test that is probably done mostly by people with really high end systems.

[DisAsTerBot]

What's your regular Firestrike score? I'm not too familiar with Time Spy scores. Just right off hand your score is 18% higher than their i5-4590 + GTX 970 score, which sounds about right since the GTX 1060 is about 15% stronger than the GTX 970 and the i5-6600 is about 10% faster than the i5-4590. It's probably only listed at 42% because Time Spy is a really new test that is probably done mostly by people with really high end systems.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/14602795
seem about right?

[baseline bum]

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/14602795
seem about right?

Yeah 13000 is about where your graphics score should be with a 1060 and your physics score looks right inline with what to expect from a locked i5.

[diego]

Well, it appears my kids burned my almost 6 year old 560ti by running 20+ instances of mario64. Luckily I had family travelling so I had them pick me up a 1060 3gb (at the time, the 6gb was 50% more for 5% performance, and I couldn't wait for stocks to come in etc. Plus the rest of the system is kind of old, not much point in future proofing when I'll probably need to update the rest of the system sooner rather than later).

So anyway I've mostly been playing older games lately, aside from Witcher 3 / doom / new deus ex, any recommendations to give this card a workout?

[baseline bum]

Well, it appears my kids burned my almost 6 year old 560ti by running 20+ instances of mario64. Luckily I had family travelling so I had them pick me up a 1060 3gb (at the time, the 6gb was 50% more for 5% performance, and I couldn't wait for stocks to come in etc. Plus the rest of the system is kind of old, not much point in future proofing when I'll probably need to update the rest of the system sooner rather than later).

So anyway I've mostly been playing older games lately, aside from Witcher 3 / doom / new deus ex, any recommendations to give this card a workout?

Rise of the Tomb Raider is a pretty good third person shooter. Fallout 4 is awesome, though none of the DLC is worth getting. Dark Souls 3 is also worth checking out. If you haven't played Dying Light, that game is a lot of fun. For Witcher 3 both of the DLC expansions are easily worth the money, might as well just buy a game of the year edition from the start. Same with Dying Light, though with Dying Light the DLC is pretty much mandatory to tie up the main story (it's worth it though). In Witcher 3 the DLC isn't related to the main story at all.

[diego]

Thanks for the recommendations I'll check em out later

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Hey guys I have some old parts and I'm wondering if I added an SSD to it would it be fast enough for an htpc or just too out of date

core duo E4500 http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core2+Duo+E4500+%40+2.20GHz

2GB ram

Nvida gtx 550ti

would be for KODI + Netflix / amazon prime streaming

playback of 1080p x264's

[Cry Havoc]

ASUS ROG GL502VS-DB71 15.6" Full*HD Gaming Laptop,Intel Core i7*6700HQ,NVIDIA GTX 1070,256GB PCIE SSD+1TB HDD,Windows 10,Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01K1INYD0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_QWu5xbKETTZ7N

Holy shit. This is going to completely destroy the laptop market.

The 1070 is 100% faster than the 980 from last year. And it's cheaper.

Going to have to think about possibly buying this.

There's also a thin and light with a 1060 - still more powerful than any mobile gpu from last year and blows away any non top-tier desktop gpu from more than a year ago. For $1400. Insanity.

Nvidia knocked it out of the park this time around.

[Cry Havoc]

Hey guys I have some old parts and I'm wondering if I added an SSD to it would it be fast enough for an htpc or just too out of date

core duo E4500 http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core2+Duo+E4500+%40+2.20GHz

2GB ram

Nvida gtx 550ti

would be for KODI + Netflix / amazon prime streaming

playback of 1080p x264's

That should be fine. Might need to upgrade the ram, not sure though.

[baseline bum]

ASUS ROG GL502VS-DB71 15.6" Full*HD Gaming Laptop,Intel Core i7*6700HQ,NVIDIA GTX 1070,256GB PCIE SSD+1TB HDD,Windows 10,Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01K1INYD0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_QWu5xbKETTZ7N

Holy shit. This is going to completely destroy the laptop market.

The 1070 is 100% faster than the 980 from last year. And it's cheaper.

Going to have to think about possibly buying this.

There's also a thin and light with a 1060 - still more powerful than any mobile gpu from last year and blows away any non top-tier desktop gpu from more than a year ago. For $1400. Insanity.

Nvidia knocked it out of the park this time around.

The 1070 is like 35% faster at 1080p than the 980 man, wtf are you smoking? :lol

[DJR210]

Whatever it is pass it this way

[Cry Havoc]

The 1070 is like 35% faster at 1080p than the 980 man, wtf are you smoking? :lol

You're thinking desktop vs desktop.

I'm referencing laptops. I could have been more clear. :lol

980m gets about half the performance as the 1070 in laptops this year. That's an incredible power jump while reducing costs.

I thought I wouldn't be buying another gaming laptop... Might be wrong on that front.

[baseline bum]

You're thinking desktop vs desktop.

I'm referencing laptops. I could have been more clear. :lol

980m gets about half the performance as the 1070 in laptops this year. That's an incredible power jump while reducing costs.

I thought I wouldn't be buying another gaming laptop... Might be wrong on that front.

They still put real 980s in gaming laptops last generation though.

[Cry Havoc]

They still put real 980s in gaming laptops last generation though.

Almost all of them were 980m, though.

The ones that were full GTX were in the $3k range if I remember seeing them.

This is significantly more power and way cheaper, and also a much better fit for a laptop.

[Cry Havoc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/cryhav0c/saved/#view=ZmGf7P

Threw this together today. Fucking sick. ~15 pound desktop with VR capability.

Probably going to wait for black friday for the prices to fall and then pull the trigger.

[baseline bum]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/cryhav0c/saved/#view=ZmGf7P

Threw this together today. Fucking sick. ~15 pound desktop with VR capability.

Probably going to wait for black friday for the prices to fall and then pull the trigger.

I don't think an i5-6500 is going to be great for VR. You're probably going to have to turn settings down in intense games to get 90 fps. My bare minimum cpu for VR would be the i5-6600k overclocked to around 4.5 GHz on a Z170 board with at least DDR4-2800. High speed RAM can actually make a real difference for minimum framerates when targeting 60 fps and even average framerates when targeting ~100 fps. Newegg usually sells unlocked i5s for $200 on Thanksgiving/BlackFriday. At least the last two years they sold the 4690k for $200 then. But you want as much cpu power as you can get for pushing 90 fps. An i5-6500 isn't going to cut it when you need 90 fps minimums.

OCZ has been really crappy the last 2-3 years on quality control. I wouldn't touch their SSDs when you can get Crucial MX300 for roughly the same price.

Also EVGA Supernova NEX psus aren't great. The EVGA Supernova B2/G2/P2/GS are the ones made by great OEMs like Super Flower and Seasonic. I forget the OEM for EVGA NEX, but they're a huge step down from Super Flower and Seasonic.

[baseline bum]

Probably going to wait for black friday for the prices to fall and then pull the trigger.

Definitely be ready to pull the trigger on Thanksgiving though. Newegg typically has some really good deals on cpus, power supplies, and motherboards on Thanksgiving. Last Thanksgiving I picked up an MSI Z97S Krait board for $85 from them, for example. They also usually have some great deals on gpus, but I doubt you'll see anything special on GTX 1070/1080 since they're still pretty new. Where you might find a ridiculous deal is on something like the R9 Fury or R9 Fury X. Probably the 980 Ti too, but I'd never buy a previous generation Nvidia gpu with how badly their driver support falls off once a new generation releases.

[Cry Havoc]

Definitely be ready to pull the trigger on Thanksgiving though. Newegg typically has some really good deals on cpus, power supplies, and motherboards on Thanksgiving. Last Thanksgiving I picked up an MSI Z97S Krait board for $85 from them, for example. They also usually have some great deals on gpus, but I doubt you'll see anything special on GTX 1070/1080 since they're still pretty new. Where you might find a ridiculous deal is on something like the R9 Fury or R9 Fury X. Probably the 980 Ti too, but I'd never buy a previous generation Nvidia gpu with how badly their driver support falls off once a new generation releases.

Heh, and just today I saw the 6600k drop to $215. I'm guessing I can probably buy this rig for ~$800 on BF. Might even go for a 1080.

[baseline bum]

Heh, and just today I saw the 6600k drop to $215. I'm guessing I can probably buy this rig for ~$800 on BF. Might even go for a 1080.

The 1080 is nice but it's still only about 20% more powerful than the 1070 for 50% higher price. Better than 980 vs 970 though, where 980 cost 67% more for about 15% higher performance. Too bad we probably won't see a 1080 Ti until Vega releases next year unless Nvidia starts getting really good yields on GP102 (the chip in the Pascal Titan X).

[baseline bum]

Heh, and just today I saw the 6600k drop to $215. I'm guessing I can probably buy this rig for ~$800 on BF. Might even go for a 1080.

$800 seems really optimistic even on Black Friday prices, especially if you're building an ITX system. I doubt you see the 1070 get any cheaper. Ballpark I'd expect something like

CPU: i5-6600k on sale ($200)
COOLER: Cryorig H7 ($25 on sale, best bang for your buck cooler on the market right now)
BOARD: Some mini ITX Z170 on sale ($110)
GPU: EVGA GTX 1070 SC ($415)
SSD: Crucial MX300 275GB (maybe $50 on sale)
HD: 2TB mechanical (maybe $60 on sale)
CASE: ITX case (maybe $40 on sale)
PSU: Some modular Seasonic or EVGA B2 550W (maybe $50 on sale)

So about $950 might be a reasonable guess for a 6600k system that can be overclocked. For a locked 6500 system I think you'd be looking in the ballpark of $850:

CPU: i5-6500 on sale ($180)
COOLER: stock cooler ($0)
BOARD: Some H110/B150/H170 mini ITX on sale ($70)
GPU: EVGA GTX 1070 SC ($415)
SSD: Crucial MX300 275GB (maybe $50 on sale)
HD: 2TB mechanical (maybe $60 on sale)
CASE: ITX case (maybe $40 on sale)
PSU: A reasonable 500W unit (maybe $35 on sale)

I would not expect 1070 prices to fall at all for Black Friday. In 2014 the GTX 970 maintained its full MSRP throughout the entire month of November. It was the year old R9 290 that got the big discounts. Considering AMD doesn't even have a 1070 competitor this time around I can't see why the GTX 1070 would go down in price even a nickel.

[ElNono]

Looking to buy a laptop to do work on. Mulling whether I should buy with a 1070 or 980M/970M. Basically 1080p, not super heavy, doesn't burn in your lap like a poorsung phone, and battery life is decent (at least 4 hours).

Anybody with a laptop with such GPUs? All I've read from the mobile 1070 is that it burns and eats battery like crazy. Haven't bought a PC laptop in a while, do they all switch between IG and the GPU based on load now?

Thanks.

[baseline bum]

Looking to buy a laptop to do work on. Mulling whether I should buy with a 1070 or 980M/970M. Basically 1080p, not super heavy, doesn't burn in your lap like a poorsung phone, and battery life is decent (at least 4 hours).

Anybody with a laptop with such GPUs? All I've read from the mobile 1070 is that it burns and eats battery like crazy. Haven't bought a PC laptop in a while, do they all switch between IG and the GPU based on load now?

Thanks.

You should get a second so you can have Excel open to track your inventory while playing Witcher 3.

[ElNono]

You should get a second so you can have Excel open to track your inventory while playing Witcher 3.

Good point. I was thinking of doing that in my Alpha iPhone 7plus+, but now that my iWatch is running Pokemon Go, I'm gonna have to use the phone for text messages.

I thought about buying a 23" monitor for that, but it would be kinda inconvenient on a plane... any suggestions, tbh?

[baseline bum]

Good point. I was thinking of doing that in my Alpha iPhone 7plus+, but now that my iWatch is running Pokemon Go, I'm gonna have to use the phone for text messages.

I thought about buying a 23" monitor for that, but it would be kinda inconvenient on a plane... any suggestions, tbh?

Drive

[ElNono]

Drive

:lmao

[Cry Havoc]

$800 seems really optimistic even on Black Friday prices, especially if you're building an ITX system. I doubt you see the 1070 get any cheaper. Ballpark I'd expect something like

CPU: i5-6600k on sale ($200)
COOLER: Cryorig H7 ($25 on sale, best bang for your buck cooler on the market right now)
BOARD: Some mini ITX Z170 on sale ($110)
GPU: EVGA GTX 1070 SC ($415)
SSD: Crucial MX300 275GB (maybe $50 on sale)
HD: 2TB mechanical (maybe $60 on sale)
CASE: ITX case (maybe $40 on sale)
PSU: Some modular Seasonic or EVGA B2 550W (maybe $50 on sale)

So about $950 might be a reasonable guess for a 6600k system that can be overclocked. For a locked 6500 system I think you'd be looking in the ballpark of $850:

CPU: i5-6500 on sale ($180)
COOLER: stock cooler ($0)
BOARD: Some H110/B150/H170 mini ITX on sale ($70)
GPU: EVGA GTX 1070 SC ($415)
SSD: Crucial MX300 275GB (maybe $50 on sale)
HD: 2TB mechanical (maybe $60 on sale)
CASE: ITX case (maybe $40 on sale)
PSU: A reasonable 500W unit (maybe $35 on sale)

I would not expect 1070 prices to fall at all for Black Friday. In 2014 the GTX 970 maintained its full MSRP throughout the entire month of November. It was the year old R9 290 that got the big discounts. Considering AMD doesn't even have a 1070 competitor this time around I can't see why the GTX 1070 would go down in price even a nickel.

Mmm, check my build again. It's a fragbox, no room for a CPU cooler. :P

And I've already seen 1070s in the ~365 range, so I do think we'll see them drop pretty significantly on BF, maybe even down to $350 for doorbusters.

[baseline bum]

Mmm, check my build again. It's a fragbox, no room for a CPU cooler. :P

And I've already seen 1070s in the ~365 range, so I do think we'll see them drop pretty significantly on BF, maybe even down to $350 for doorbusters.

You have to buy a CPU cooler with the 6600k, it doesn't come with a stock cooler. Where are you seeing 1070s for $365? The absolute cheapest one on pcpartspicker's listings is $405. I have never seen a single 1070 at even the $380 MSRP.

[Cry Havoc]

You have to buy a CPU cooler with the 6600k, it doesn't come with a stock cooler. Where are you seeing 1070s for $365? The absolute cheapest one on pcpartspicker's listings is $405. I have never seen a single 1070 at even the $380 MSRP.

Jet.com had it for $357. Probably expired now. But prices will continue to fall.

http://slickdeals.net/f/9136999-gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1070-windforce-oc-8gb-gddr5-video-card-357?v=1&src=SiteSearch

[Cry Havoc]

http://slickdeals.net/f/9134059-zotac-geforce-gtx-1070-mini-8gb-gddr5-344-78-fs-jet-com?src=SiteSearch

$347.

[baseline bum]

http://slickdeals.net/f/9134059-zotac-geforce-gtx-1070-mini-8gb-gddr5-344-78-fs-jet-com?src=SiteSearch

$347.

Jet.com makes you jump through a bunch of hoops like paying with debit card and not being able to return the product, that shit doesn't count.

[baseline bum]

Also man, you wouldn't want to use the stock cooler with a 120W OC i5 anyways bro, especially in a mini ITX box. For something small it might make sense to buy a Noctua low profile cooler. In Skylake Intel downgraded the stock coolers on the i5/i7. You used to get a copper contact on the i5/i7 stock coolers but now the locked i5/i7 get the old Celeron/Pentium/i3 cooler which is just straight aluminum (and the unlocked i5/i7 get no stock cooler period).

[baseline bum]

WCCFtech is reporting the GTX 1080 Ti is being launched at CES in January and that it has 7.5% fewer CUDA cores than the Titan X Pascal but is clocked 86 MHz higher. It's supposed to still have 12GB GDDR5X just like Titan X.

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-1080-ti-launch-january/

[Cry Havoc]

Also man, you wouldn't want to use the stock cooler with a 120W OC i5 anyways bro, especially in a mini ITX box. For something small it might make sense to buy a Noctua low profile cooler. In Skylake Intel downgraded the stock coolers on the i5/i7. You used to get a copper contact on the i5/i7 stock coolers but now the locked i5/i7 get the old Celeron/Pentium/i3 cooler which is just straight aluminum (and the unlocked i5/i7 get no stock cooler period).

Meh honestly I don't know if I'd worry about the space in an ITX rig... the one I have now runs just fine under load with a stock cooler.

That said, if they don't come with coolers I'd absolutely buy a good low profile one.

[baseline bum]

Meh honestly I don't know if I'd worry about the space in an ITX rig... the one I have now runs just fine under load with a stock cooler.

That said, if they don't come with coolers I'd absolutely buy a good low profile one.

Didn't you say you can't overclock for shit with a stock cooler on your 2500k? I don't think it's reasonable to expect any reasonable OC with those. There actually is a way to overclock an i5-6500 through the BCLK like back in the old days if you ever OC'ed in the 90s (eg like increasing the FSB on the $200 Celeron 300A to make it perform in line with a $500 Pentium II). It disables AVX instructions though, as well as disabling temp readouts and the IGPU (WGAF about that though?). If you want I can post more information, it'll require buying one of a few AsRock, MSI, or Asus Z170 boards as well as flashing an old BIOS from a few months ago onto it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrfTcXQlsbs&t=2s

[baseline bum]

I need at least a Cannonlake i9 to run this shit tbh.

LOL so there will be Skylake Core i9. Didn't have to wait for Cannonlake. :lol

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/57529/intels-next-gen-core-i9-series-teased-12c-24t-power/index.html

[illusioNtEk]

I still have a i5 2500k/ GTX 680.... time to upgrade I guess

[diego]

I still have a i5 2500k/ GTX 680.... time to upgrade I guess

If you are staying at 1080, just get a new video card and you are set.. I recently changed from 2600k with 560ti to a 1060 and performance is great. Lots of benchmarks show the cpu won't bottle neck the card.
If you are going over 1080 then yes you need to upgrade the cpu too

[baseline bum]

If you are staying at 1080, just get a new video card and you are set.. I recently changed from 2600k with 560ti to a 1060 and performance is great. Lots of benchmarks show the cpu won't bottle neck the card.
If you are going over 1080 then yes you need to upgrade the cpu too

I don't think resolution matters when it comes to cpu. Physics, AI, and so on are resolution independent. The 2500k is starting to show its age a bit now that we're deeply into the eighth console generation where games are optimized for the low IPC, low clockspeed octacores in the XB1/PS4. The 2600k seems to be holding up a lot better thanks to the hyperthreading. I'm not sure I'd upgrade quite yet if I had a 2500k though. A GTX 1060 or an RX 480/580 would be a pretty nice upgrade from a 680 for 1080p gaming.

[Cry Havoc]

If you are staying at 1080, just get a new video card and you are set.. I recently changed from 2600k with 560ti to a 1060 and performance is great. Lots of benchmarks show the cpu won't bottle neck the card.
If you are going over 1080 then yes you need to upgrade the cpu too

If the mid-tier 2017 i7s are bottlenecking, you bet your ass the 2600k is. It's a great chip, but it's run it's course.

[baseline bum]

If the mid-tier 2017 i7s are bottlenecking, you bet your ass the 2600k is. It's a great chip, but it's run it's course.

What are you talking about? Modern i7 doesn't have any trouble hitting 60 fps, not even Sandy Bridge i7 do. Now if you're running a 144 Hz panel then you'll hit cpu limits on even a 5.1 GHz i7-7700k (by far the best gaming cpu on the market) pretty regularly if you have the gpu horsepower.

[Cry Havoc]

What are you talking about? Modern i7 doesn't have any trouble hitting 60 fps, not even Sandy Bridge i7 do. Now if you're running a 144 Hz panel then you'll hit cpu limits on even a 5.1 GHz i7-7700k (by far the best gaming cpu on the market) pretty regularly if you have the gpu horsepower.

My point is that we're definitely in an era where the 2600k may not be enough depending on your gaming habits.

[diego]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhuC8Tf9i3I

Not a fan of the video format but that's what I based my comment on. Bb is right that games are beginning to optimize for more threads, but that's a slow process bulk of install base is i5 and below. It's not necessary to change everything at once unless you are doing streaming, 3D, vr, 1440+, etc, you can go piece by piece and doing gpu first / cpu later will give you more performance gains per dollar. But if the money is burning a hole in your pocket go ahead and knock yourself out!

[DMC]

Case: Phantek EVOLV
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The ORIGIN Difference: ORIGIN PC Neuron - The Best Gaming Experience Guaranteed
Case Lighting: Blue LED
Case Fans: ORIGIN PC High-Performance Ultra Silent Fans
Power Supply: 1000 Watt EVGA SuperNOVA G3
Motherboard: ASUS STRIX Z270G
System Cooling: ORIGIN FROSTBYTE 120 Sealed Liquid Cooling System for 1151 Socket
Processors: Intel Core i7 7700K Quad-Core 4.2GHz (4.5GHz TurboBoost)
ORIGIN Professional Processor Overclocking: ORIGIN PC Professional Processor Overclocking DT
Graphic Cards: Single 11GB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Founders Edition
Memory: 16GB ORIGIN PC DDR4 Powered by Kingston 2666MHz (4 X 4GB)
Operating System: MS Windows 10 Home
Intel Optane Memory Drive (Operating System Drive): None
Hard Drive One (Operating System Drive #1): [FREE] 250GB Samsung 850 Evo Series
Hard Drive Two EVOLV: 500GB Samsung 960 Evo PCIe NVMe M.2
Audio: On Board High Definition 8-Channel Audio
Networking: Onboard Network Port


Thoughts on specs? Looking for high end gaming desktop, so judge and critique the combination/GPU/CPU/Memory (is 16G enough?)/storage...

Power Supply overkill? Drop to 850?

[baseline bum]

Case: Phantek EVOLV
Exterior: Not Painted
Current Special Offers: Dads and Grads Promo Free 250GB Samsung SSD and More
The ORIGIN Difference: ORIGIN PC Neuron - The Best Gaming Experience Guaranteed
Case Lighting: Blue LED
Case Fans: ORIGIN PC High-Performance Ultra Silent Fans
Power Supply: 1000 Watt EVGA SuperNOVA G3
Motherboard: ASUS STRIX Z270G
System Cooling: ORIGIN FROSTBYTE 120 Sealed Liquid Cooling System for 1151 Socket
Processors: Intel Core i7 7700K Quad-Core 4.2GHz (4.5GHz TurboBoost)
ORIGIN Professional Processor Overclocking: ORIGIN PC Professional Processor Overclocking DT
Graphic Cards: Single 11GB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Founders Edition
Memory: 16GB ORIGIN PC DDR4 Powered by Kingston 2666MHz (4 X 4GB)
Operating System: MS Windows 10 Home
Intel Optane Memory Drive (Operating System Drive): None
Hard Drive One (Operating System Drive #1): [FREE] 250GB Samsung 850 Evo Series
Hard Drive Two EVOLV: 500GB Samsung 960 Evo PCIe NVMe M.2
Audio: On Board High Definition 8-Channel Audio
Networking: Onboard Network Port


Thoughts on specs? Looking for high end gaming desktop, so judge and critique the combination/GPU/CPU/Memory (is 16G enough?)/storage...

Power Supply overkill? Drop to 850?

I wouldn't use a Founders Edition 1080 Ti unless I was doing a system in a mini ITX case. In a normal sized case I'd get an open air card since it'll keep the core cooler and thus keep it boosting to a higher clockspeed than the Founders Edition blowers can hold. I wouldn't bother with the higher end 1080 Ti though, eg shit like EVGA Hybrid, Asus Strix, MSI Gaming Z, etc. Overclocking doesn't seem to do shit for performance this generation with how aggressive GPU Boost 3.0 already is out of the box. A lot of times overclocking seems to actually bring gaming performance down on Pascal cards since it seems to cause thermal throttling leading to unsteady clockspeeds, at least according to Gamers Nexus' benchmarks (they're probably second to only Digital Foundry on youtube when it comes to benchmarking PC hardware and games).

Yeah the PSU is real overkill. 1000W is a waste now that 3-way and 4-way SLI are no longer supported by Nvidia. Even a good 750W psu like an EVGA G2 750W would be a bit overkill. I could swear I have seen that Enthoo Evolv case isn't great for liquid cooling either because the top vents are so small, but I can't remember the source. 16GB is good for gaming. We're just getting to the point where 8GB is no longer optimal (eg Battlefield 1 is a real memory hog and will go above 8GB usage).

[DMC]

I wouldn't use a Founders Edition 1080 Ti unless I was doing a system in a mini ITX case. In a normal sized case I'd get an open air card since it'll keep the core cooler and thus keep it boosting to a higher clockspeed than the Founders Edition blowers can hold. I wouldn't bother with the higher end 1080 Ti though, eg shit like EVGA Hybrid, Asus Strix, MSI Gaming Z, etc. Overclocking doesn't seem to do shit for performance this generation with how aggressive GPU Boost 3.0 already is out of the box. A lot of times overclocking seems to actually bring gaming performance down on Pascal cards since it seems to cause thermal throttling leading to unsteady clockspeeds, at least according to Gamers Nexus' benchmarks (they're probably second to only Digital Foundry on youtube when it comes to benchmarking PC hardware and games).

Yeah the PSU is real overkill. 1000W is a waste now that 3-way and 4-way SLI are no longer supported by Nvidia. Even a good 750W psu like an EVGA G2 750W would be a bit overkill. I could swear I have seen that Enthoo Evolv case isn't great for liquid cooling either because the top vents are so small, but I can't remember the source. 16GB is good for gaming. We're just getting to the point where 8GB is no longer optimal (eg Battlefield 1 is a real memory hog and will go above 8GB usage).

Future proofing: is it a real thing or just a money sink for better sounding specs?

Will your suggestions enable future proofing or would I be only a couple years out from needing to upgrade? (granted you could get two systems using your specs for the price of that one I quoted)

[baseline bum]

Future proofing: is it a real thing or just a money sink for better sounding specs?

Will your suggestions enable future proofing or would I be only a couple years out from needing to upgrade? (granted you could get two systems using your specs for the price of that one I quoted)

GPUs still improve way too quickly to think you can future proof on them, at least if you're gaming at a resolution and settings that will push current hardware hard. For example, the $700 king of the hill GTX 780 Ti released in November 2013 performs in new games at about the level of the very low end $130 GTX 1050 Ti released last October. If you're looking to game in 4k a GTX 1080 Ti is enough right now to play most games at high settings and get 60 fps, but I doubt that lasts long. In the past you used to be able to buy two gpus to run in SLI to get good performance at resolutions like 1440p (though now 1440p is pretty easy now with a single gpu: the GTX 980 Ti, GTX 1070, GTX 1080, and GTX 1080 Ti can easily handle it), but multi gpu support has been horrible the last year or two. If you're willing to lower settings you can make a good gpu last though. I'm still loving my GTX 970 from October 2014, though occasionally I have to drops a few settings to medium to get 60 fps at 1080p now.

CPU and board have been pretty future proof this decade. If you bought a $300 i7-2600k back in January 2011 it's still an excellent gaming cpu. Even a $200 i5-2500k from January 2011 is still pretty solid, though it is starting to show its age a bit since it doens't have hyperthreading and games seem to be optimized for moar corez now since PS4/XB1 are both using effectively very low clocked octacore cpus (really two quadcores in parallel).

If you're trying to game in 4k it'll probably be a money pit because of gpu costs. At 1440p or lower I would guess a 1080 Ti should last you 3 years or so before you have to really start taking a hatchet to settings. If you're not in a rush Nvidia should have Volta gpus available this year on 12 nm lithography (Pascal is 16 nm). You won't get the big die card right away (eg the Titan or 80 Ti). I imagine the GTX 2080 (or maybe they call it 1180) will be their midsize die and outperform the GTX 1080 Ti by 10-20% or so at around 150W (versus 250W for the 1080 Ti) based on past history. Then you'll get the big die gaming card as a $1200 Titan sometime in 2018, and then it'll get rebranded as say a $750 GTX 2080 Ti (or 1180 Ti) once yields are good enough to make that more profitable (so Titans are essentially early adopter taxes). At least that's how the last two generations (2014-17) have gone with Nvidia cards.

[baseline bum]

But gpu is the only thing I'd worry too much about replacing. Maybe this trend we're in dies once Intel is able to replace silicon with graphene, but their die shrinks have not been going too well lately. Eg the Broadwell shrink to 14 nm from the 22 nm process used in Haswell (2013) got pushed back more than a year to 2016, and ended up only really being sold for mobile. Lots of people who bought Z97 boards with placeholder cpus in 2014 were pissed when Broadwell never got a real desktop release (there were two desktop Broadwell chips that got extremely limited release and were ridiculously overpriced). Then Intel was supposed to be at 10 nm by early 2017 and they are way off that target. They're going to release another 14 nm generation later this year that's going to be same architecturally as the chips they released two generations back (Skylake). They'll probably have a little lower power consumption and a small clock bump, but otherwise they'll be the same. Progress in gaming cpus has been glacial this decade, though AMD has finally started catching up to Intel with their Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 cpus released a couple of months ago. Maybe that will motivate Intel?

[Wild Cobra]

Case: Phantek EVOLV
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Current Special Offers: Dads and Grads Promo Free 250GB Samsung SSD and More
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Case Lighting: Blue LED
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Power Supply: 1000 Watt EVGA SuperNOVA G3
Motherboard: ASUS STRIX Z270G
System Cooling: ORIGIN FROSTBYTE 120 Sealed Liquid Cooling System for 1151 Socket
Processors: Intel Core i7 7700K Quad-Core 4.2GHz (4.5GHz TurboBoost)
ORIGIN Professional Processor Overclocking: ORIGIN PC Professional Processor Overclocking DT
Graphic Cards: Single 11GB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Founders Edition
Memory: 16GB ORIGIN PC DDR4 Powered by Kingston 2666MHz (4 X 4GB)
Operating System: MS Windows 10 Home
Intel Optane Memory Drive (Operating System Drive): None
Hard Drive One (Operating System Drive #1): [FREE] 250GB Samsung 850 Evo Series
Hard Drive Two EVOLV: 500GB Samsung 960 Evo PCIe NVMe M.2
Audio: On Board High Definition 8-Channel Audio
Networking: Onboard Network Port


Thoughts on specs? Looking for high end gaming desktop, so judge and critique the combination/GPU/CPU/Memory (is 16G enough?)/storage...

Power Supply overkill? Drop to 850?

I would add a regular SATA drive for automatic backups off the two SSD's.

Bluray rewriter?

I suppose 16 GB is enough, but who knows with near future games? I would just max out the memory too. I have 32 GB with my system running the i7-4790. Slow compared to yours, but still sweet.

If the 960 EVO matches right with the motherboard, you'll love its performance.

[ElNono]

Case: Phantek EVOLV
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Current Special Offers: Dads and Grads Promo Free 250GB Samsung SSD and More
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Case Lighting: Blue LED
Case Fans: ORIGIN PC High-Performance Ultra Silent Fans
Power Supply: 1000 Watt EVGA SuperNOVA G3
Motherboard: ASUS STRIX Z270G
System Cooling: ORIGIN FROSTBYTE 120 Sealed Liquid Cooling System for 1151 Socket
Processors: Intel Core i7 7700K Quad-Core 4.2GHz (4.5GHz TurboBoost)
ORIGIN Professional Processor Overclocking: ORIGIN PC Professional Processor Overclocking DT
Graphic Cards: Single 11GB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Founders Edition
Memory: 16GB ORIGIN PC DDR4 Powered by Kingston 2666MHz (4 X 4GB)
Operating System: MS Windows 10 Home
Intel Optane Memory Drive (Operating System Drive): None
Hard Drive One (Operating System Drive #1): [FREE] 250GB Samsung 850 Evo Series
Hard Drive Two EVOLV: 500GB Samsung 960 Evo PCIe NVMe M.2
Audio: On Board High Definition 8-Channel Audio
Networking: Onboard Network Port


Thoughts on specs? Looking for high end gaming desktop, so judge and critique the combination/GPU/CPU/Memory (is 16G enough?)/storage...

Power Supply overkill? Drop to 850?

I was thinking power supply kinda overkill until I read the last line :lol

Other than that, you can't go wrong with it. Even with the 1080 Ti, I wouldn't necessarily go with a 4k monitor. I actually have one (Samsung, $300 at Costco), and Windows apps are still more or less a mess with it, plus, for gaming, you're better off with a 1080p monitor with NVidia G-Sync.

[ElNono]

Future proofing: is it a real thing or just a money sink for better sounding specs?

Will your suggestions enable future proofing or would I be only a couple years out from needing to upgrade? (granted you could get two systems using your specs for the price of that one I quoted)

Due to the 4k direction of things, your most expensive component (the video card) will need an upgrade in a couple years. The rest will likely stay more or less the same. Plus on that mobo, IIRC, you can go all the way up to 32GB, so you should be ok.

[Wild Cobra]

Due to the 4k direction of things, your most expensive component (the video card) will need an upgrade in a couple years. The rest will likely stay more or less the same. Plus on that mobo, IIRC, you can go all the way up to 32GB, so you should be ok.

Yes, if you want only 16 GB, go with the 2 x 8 GB so you can upgrade later also. Without wasting 4 x 4 GB.

Why not the 960 Pro instead of the 960 EVO?

[baseline bum]

I was thinking power supply kinda overkill until I read the last line :lol

Other than that, you can't go wrong with it. Even with the 1080 Ti, I wouldn't necessarily go with a 4k monitor. I actually have one (Samsung, $300 at Costco), and Windows apps are still more or less a mess with it, plus, for gaming, you're better off with a 1080p monitor with NVidia G-Sync.

Man 1080p with a 1080 Ti is nuts. 1440p is the lowest resolution I'd go with that gpu. I forgot about GSync. If you're willing to pay for it that's got to be awesome to get rid of the stutter that comes with VSync when you go at all below 60 fps on a 60 Hz monitor while getting rid of the tearing that happens when you start pushing 80-90 fps or more without VSync on a 60 Hz monitor.

[baseline bum]

I would add a regular SATA drive for automatic backups off the two SSD's.

Bluray rewriter?

I suppose 16 GB is enough, but who knows with near future games? I would just max out the memory too. I have 32 GB with my system running the i7-4790. Slow compared to yours, but still sweet.

If the 960 EVO matches right with the motherboard, you'll love its performance.

2016 was the first time any game I know of made use of more than 8GB (with Battlefield 1). Even GTA V with a big memory leak was fine on 8GB. The console with the most RAM is the XBox One X with 12GB, and virtually all AAA games are written for console first because (1) they sell better and (2) they're the lowest common denominator to program to. I don't see games all of a sudden wanting say 20GB of RAM any time soon. RAM is so overpriced right now (the 16GB kit I bought a couple of years ago for $70 is now $120 for example) I wouldn't bother buying extra right now. Not if this computer is just something DMC is getting to game on.

[DMC]

I would add a regular SATA drive for automatic backups off the two SSD's.

Bluray rewriter?

I suppose 16 GB is enough, but who knows with near future games? I would just max out the memory too. I have 32 GB with my system running the i7-4790. Slow compared to yours, but still sweet.

If the 960 EVO matches right with the motherboard, you'll love its performance.

I don't use and CDs and if I needed to I would just network to a laptop that has a drive.

[DMC]

I was thinking power supply kinda overkill until I read the last line :lol

Other than that, you can't go wrong with it. Even with the 1080 Ti, I wouldn't necessarily go with a 4k monitor. I actually have one (Samsung, $300 at Costco), and Windows apps are still more or less a mess with it, plus, for gaming, you're better off with a 1080p monitor with NVidia G-Sync.

I have the KVM setup already. I use Roccat KB and mouse, have 2 144hz monitors and a 50" 4K TV (not a monitor I know but it's amazing how much I use it now instead of the monitors) mounted just above the 24" monitors.

Been using an Asus ROG laptop (fully kitted out) but I cannot run the Rift with it so I am considering getting a high end desktop to avoid trying to squeeze performance out of something mobile that doesn't need to be mobile. I just dread case fan noise and I have read that the processor in question has some cooling issues, needs to be delidded and have metal thermal paste mod. I think the manufacturer will do that for me (the PC builder) for about 15 bucks but I don't want to get into a processor with known, inherent problems. If the delidding makes it all better, that's ok though.

The laptop I have now has 32G memory and I don't think I ever use more than about 12 or so. I have multiple windows running sometimes so my biggest resource load is probably on my GPU, not my memory, since I'm running all these monitors/TV from a laptop.

I don't want to spend money just to have cool specs, but I also don't want to go through the trouble of upgrading to a midlevel system either. If I am going to upgrade, it's going to be just below the "way too expensive" level. I won't pay to be the first on the block with this or that processor, but I don't want to be looking at newer ones in just a few months.

[DMC]

Yes, if you want only 16 GB, go with the 2 x 8 GB so you can upgrade later also. Without wasting 4 x 4 GB.

Why not the 960 Pro instead of the 960 EVO?

I don't want a big tower. I just got rid of one.

[leemajors]

I don't know if you were considering new Ryzen, but I have the Ryzen 7 1700x with the plain AMD silent cooler and it doesn't make a sound at all.

[baseline bum]

Hey RandomGuy, you were asking me the other day about profiting off the ether bubble. Apparently the GTX 1070 is much better at mining ether than the GTX 1080, so if the bubble doesn't burst in the next couple of weeks you will probably be able to sell your 1070 and take that money and buy a 1080, which is roughly 25% faster in gaming. Apparently mining using the slower GDDR5 vram on the 1070 is faster than the using the faster GDDR5X vram on the 1080. The 1070 is already pretty close in price to the 1080 despite being way slower in gaming because of this. Right now the cheapest 1070 you can actually buy is $490

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487264

Meanwhile here is a 1080 for $500:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137084

This is insanity. Back when they came out a 1070 ran $450 and a 1080 about $650. I couldn't believe it, but here is a benchmark showing how much better the 1070 is vs the 1080 in ether mining.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB_y31bfknw

Around three to four weeks ago GTX 1070s weren't hard to find at $350. Now they're already mostly over $500 and it's going to keep going up if the ether bubble doesn't pop soon.

I would sell a 1070 in a second to buy a 1080 for the same price, the 1080 is much better in gaming.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP0wRVjQh5U

[Wild Cobra]

I don't want a big tower. I just got rid of one.

Huh?

The 960 Pro is the same m.2 form factor as the 960 EVO. Just faster yet.

You have four memory slots. I'm just suggesting you use two 8 GB modules instead of four 4 GB modules, leaving you future expansion capability to 32 GB by just adding two more modules, instead of replacing all four.

I see the board holds two m.2 boards. Myself, I would utilize both. I would use a 960 Pro 256 GB for the OS, and a 960 Pro 1 TB or 2 TB for every thing else. At least the 512 GB version.

[Wild Cobra]

The m.2 PCIe is about 5 times faster than SATA. There is little if any difference in speed between the Intel Optane and the Samsung 960 Pro. They are both m.2.

If you are really going for optimum gaming speeds, the extra speed between the Pro and EVO should not be discounted for your primary game drive.

[Wild Cobra]

I simply wish my Dell motherboard would accept the 950 Pro I have. The Dell's PCIe slot only gives the board 1 lane to use of the needed four. The 250 GB module is a Samsung 850 EVO SATA, hence the SATA connection on the side. The graph paper is 5 lines per inch. I should replace the motherboard.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Computer/20170629_152450_zpsbjrdh22t.jpg

Just for show, I have a three monitor stand bolted to my table for my three 1440P 32" monitors:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Computer/20170629_152348_zpsjxifqi7l.jpg

If the 960 Pro was available when I bought the 950 Pro, I would have bought it instead:

link: Samsung 960 Pro vs 950 Pro Performance & Thermal Throttling (https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Samsung-960-Pro-vs-950-Pro-Performance-Thermal-Throttling-868/)

[DMC]

I don't know if you were considering new Ryzen, but I have the Ryzen 7 1700x with the plain AMD silent cooler and it doesn't make a sound at all.

I was looking at Origin PCs.

I've been out of the component/module game for a few years, the nomenclature is alien to me (no pun intended).

[baseline bum]

I was looking at Origin PCs.

I've been out of the component/module game for a few years, the nomenclature is alien to me (no pun intended).

I went through OriginPC to check the options available on the Neuron, and I'd probably make the following small changes:

1. I'd go with the 650W EVGA G3 power supply. The 1000W is complete overkill when you're using a single 250W gpu and maybe 130W cpu (after heavy overclocking). It's an outstanding power supply that comes with a 7 year warranty when you buy it on its own (the standard for good quality psu is 3 years). It's made by a company called Super Flower which is pretty much the best of the best when it comes to power supply OEMs. The 850W and 1000W EVGA G3 are similar, but you don't need that kind of power for one gpu. If you think you might add a second 1080 Ti later on then go for the 850W, but I wouldn't recommend dual gpu this day and age when support has gotten really bad for SLI and Crossfire. Definitely don't go with the generic 500W unit though.

2. I wouldn't pay $75 for the professional overclocking service when all those settings will be erased the first you have to reset the BIOS to default state. I wouldn't even bother overclocking the cpu unless you're planning on gaming on a panel with a refresh rate of 100 Hz or higher. If you're gaming on a 4k panel and targeting 60 fps you're not going to be hitting cpu limits in anything but the worst optimized games (eg Arma III). The default turbo clock is already going to 4.5 GHz. There should be a setting in the BIOS to just run at that max turbo boost on all cores and it's doubtful you'd have to touch vcore settings to do it.

3. For hard drive 2 I'd go with the cheaper 500 GB 850 EVO. You're not going to be bottlenecked by SATA drive times in loading into games. You would be using a hard drive but a SATA SSD like the 850 EVO is fast enough to where your loading time is going to be bottlenecked by the cpu most likely. ElNono is a game dev so he can explain this better than I can. But I have never seen any benchmark showing better loading times with expensive NVME ssds vs cheaper SATA ssds. Those fast NVME ssds are great if you're doing something like capturing 4k video and you need an ssd fast enough to keep up. But for gaming they're just throwing good money away.

I imagine they recommend the 120mm liquid cooling since they can install that rad in the back exhaust instead of the top exhaust mount. So that should cool reasonably well. It's unfortunate they don't have any open air 1080 Ti to select, as that case is big enough to where the open air card would be a better choice. The Founders Edition 1080 Ti is still a killer card. It's louder than the open air cards, but it's by no means a jet engine like say the R9 290x reference card or even worse the infamous Nvida Fx 5800 Ultra.

You'll probably want to replace the gpu within a couple of years for 4k gaming though. The 1080 Ti is just barely there. It's the first consumer card that has ever been capable of high quality 4k gaming on AAA titles, but the games get harder to run every year. No biggie though, changing a gpu takes five minutes. And your psu will almost certainly still be enough, as Nvidia hasn't ever put out a single gpu card using more than 250W AFAIK. They always target 250W for their big die king of the hill card and for the last couple of generations have targeted 150W for their midsize die king of the hill card. The medium die king of the hill comes out before the big die king of the hill in the generation, and usually beats the previous gen king of the hill. For instance, last gen the big die king of the hill was the GTX 980 Ti. This generation the medium die king of the hill was the GTX 1080, which is about 25% faster than the 980 Ti. Then around 9 months later the big die king of the hill GTX 1080 Ti came and beat the 1080 by roughly 20-25%.

Overall it's a pretty killer 4k gaming system, and something that would easily handle 1440p or 3440x1440. It's a pretty good price too. They're quoting $2247 with the changes I suggested, whereas just buying the parts from newegg and building it yourself would cost $2058.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C8cvGf

[DMC]

Thanks for that writeup and suggestions. I followed your advice. I'll let you know how it performs once it's here and connected.

[baseline bum]

Should be killer. The 1080 Ti is pretty ridiculous, finally allowing 4k on a single card.

[Cry Havoc]

AMD's Frontier Edition Vega is more powerful for gaming than the 1080, below the 1080ti and Titan X.

Supposedly it's amazing for production though.

[baseline bum]

AMD's Frontier Edition Vega is more powerful for gaming than the 1080, below the 1080ti and Titan X.

Supposedly it's amazing for production though.

PC Perspective did some benchmarks and the Frontier Edition was below the 1080. That's absolutely pathetic if Vega is going to be around the performance of the 1070 at twice the power consumption, especially with a 500 mm^2 die (the 1070/1080 use a 314 mm^2 die). Supposedly the article will be published today, but it was from a stream they did yesterday if you want to watch a 5 hour video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhGAS_oGN3c


EDIT: Published today and that POS card is between a 1070 and 1080 in gaming at 300W :lmao

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-16GB-Air-Cooled-Review

[Wild Cobra]

Yep.

AMD was never much for finesse. Just brute force.

[ElNono]

I have the KVM setup already. I use Roccat KB and mouse, have 2 144hz monitors and a 50" 4K TV (not a monitor I know but it's amazing how much I use it now instead of the monitors) mounted just above the 24" monitors.

Been using an Asus ROG laptop (fully kitted out) but I cannot run the Rift with it so I am considering getting a high end desktop to avoid trying to squeeze performance out of something mobile that doesn't need to be mobile. I just dread case fan noise and I have read that the processor in question has some cooling issues, needs to be delidded and have metal thermal paste mod. I think the manufacturer will do that for me (the PC builder) for about 15 bucks but I don't want to get into a processor with known, inherent problems. If the delidding makes it all better, that's ok though.

The laptop I have now has 32G memory and I don't think I ever use more than about 12 or so. I have multiple windows running sometimes so my biggest resource load is probably on my GPU, not my memory, since I'm running all these monitors/TV from a laptop.

I don't want to spend money just to have cool specs, but I also don't want to go through the trouble of upgrading to a midlevel system either. If I am going to upgrade, it's going to be just below the "way too expensive" level. I won't pay to be the first on the block with this or that processor, but I don't want to be looking at newer ones in just a few months.

16GB is fine for gaming, and you can always update just the RAM on the desktop. Your setup is pretty similar to mine at the office. I have two sammy 1080p TVs/monitors and a couple of sammy 50" and 60" 4K TVs for the devkits.

How's the ROG? I need to buy a beefed up laptop now that I'm on the road a bit, and was looking at that and the Razer...

Don't know much about the Rift, but we do have a PS VR and it's pretty awesome, tbh... wasn't that sold on VR until I played Farpoint and The London Heist games...

[ElNono]

3. For hard drive 2 I'd go with the cheaper 500 GB 850 EVO. You're not going to be bottlenecked by SATA drive times in loading into games. You would be using a hard drive but a SATA SSD like the 850 EVO is fast enough to where your loading time is going to be bottlenecked by the cpu most likely. ElNono is a game dev so he can explain this better than I can. But I have never seen any benchmark showing better loading times with expensive NVME ssds vs cheaper SATA ssds. Those fast NVME ssds are great if you're doing something like capturing 4k video and you need an ssd fast enough to keep up. But for gaming they're just throwing good money away.

I run my PC games off the hard drive... until the SSDs hit the 1TB mark for cheap, devs are not really interested in optimizing for that, IMO.

[DJR210]

I'd recommend staying at 1440p as a target if you're gonna be sitting right in front of it, and just ordering the parts and assembling yourself unless you dont mind paying their premium or like doing it yourself.

[DMC]

16GB is fine for gaming, and you can always update just the RAM on the desktop. Your setup is pretty similar to mine at the office. I have two sammy 1080p TVs/monitors and a couple of sammy 50" and 60" 4K TVs for the devkits.

How's the ROG? I need to buy a beefed up laptop now that I'm on the road a bit, and was looking at that and the Razer...

Don't know much about the Rift, but we do have a PS VR and it's pretty awesome, tbh... wasn't that sold on VR until I played Farpoint and The London Heist games...

The ROG I have is huge and heavy. I don't know much about the smaller models, but this one is a beast. It has some inherent manufacturing issues like they all do, and the lighting strike last year killed my thunderbolt and NIC (ironically) so I had to reroute through USB3.

I'm not sold on VR either. Fortunately I have a door on my office that I can close so no one sees me looking like a fucking geek if I do use one.

[ElNono]

The ROG I have is huge and heavy. I don't know much about the smaller models, but this one is a beast. It has some inherent manufacturing issues like they all do, and the lighting strike last year killed my thunderbolt and NIC (ironically) so I had to reroute through USB3.

I'm not sold on VR either. Fortunately I have a door on my office that I can close so no one sees me looking like a fucking geek if I do use one.

Hows the battery life on it? I was impressed with the Razer battery life, considering it has a GTX 1060.

[DMC]

Hows the battery life on it? I was impressed with the Razer battery life, considering it has a GTX 1060.

I don't really know, it's never unplugged. I have two batteries for it, never use them. After the new system arrives, I'll know more about battery life because then I can actually use it as a laptop. I cannot imagine it would have great battery life, not with that 17.3" screen and the 880M processor with separate CPU and GPU cooling fans running at the same time.

[DMC]

I'd recommend staying at 1440p as a target if you're gonna be sitting right in front of it, and just ordering the parts and assembling yourself unless you dont mind paying their premium or like doing it yourself.

Not sure who you're responding to, but my PC building days are over. All those components, that one problem component, not getting your rebates, poor customer service from at least one of the providers... I'll let someone else worry about that.

[ElNono]

I don't really know, it's never unplugged. I have two batteries for it, never use them. After the new system arrives, I'll know more about battery life because then I can actually use it as a laptop. I cannot imagine it would have great battery life, not with that 17.3" screen and the 880M processor with separate CPU and GPU cooling fans running at the same time.

Thanks

[baseline bum]

AMD's Frontier Edition Vega is more powerful for gaming than the 1080, below the 1080ti and Titan X.

Supposedly it's amazing for production though.

Damn Gamers Nexus (probably the second best hardware benchmarking channel on youtube) confirms that Vega is a dog.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHb7fC5zUdU

AMD is going to have to either sell full Vega at $450 or sell it at $500 with an absolute killer gaming bundle to have any hopes of moving them to gamers. That is absolutely horrific on a 500-520 mm^2 die, I wonder if they're even going to turn any profit on Vega gaming cards having to sell that cheap for such a large die and using expensive and limited HBM2 memory. They can probably tweak clockspeeds to catch up to the GTX 1080 but that's a $500 card that uses half the power and that must be wildly profitable for Nvidia at only 314 mm^2.

[TDMVPDPOY]

dunno why u clowns keep on mentioning the amd FE card when its not the consumer card

they already got the vega consumer cards benchmarked releases, higher clock then the FE and still slower then a 1080 apparently with beta drivers..

anyway my computer died over night I think, keeps on booting into bsod..might need to go replace the hdd or memory...still fixing it or else ima go get a new comp for around 1k budget just the tower itself without ssd/hdd I got a few spares lying around

[TDMVPDPOY]

so I got a friend who does data recovery or someshit in the IT dept of some bank, the workers every year gets new laptops and then clears it, slates the hdd of its data and can do whatever they like with the laptop, and these were high end business lappies...

I managed to get one and it died on me, took out the ram and ssd hoping to reuse it in another system, gave the ram to spare laptop
now the ssd is msata, most new pc desktop motherboards don't have msata ports, they all using m.2 ports...so what do I do with this msata 256gb? be shame to throw it in the bin...the other laptop doesn't even have msata port...

I'm going to run out to buy a r1600 build setup, the b350 mobos most of them don't have msata ports, only m.2...didn't wanna waste money buying a new ssd, so what can I do? isn't there like a msata-2-m.2 adapter? wanan use it as OS boot drive

[Wild Cobra]

Edit...


Ooops... you were asking for the reverse of this...

I have this one:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Computer/20170629_152450_zpsbjrdh22t.jpg

It is photographed on 5 line per inch graph paper. It holds a SATA M.2 and/or a 4 lane PCIe M.2.

I ordered it from Amazon:

link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01798WOJ0/

As long as you have four lanes available on the PCIe, it should work. My Dell XPS 8700 only allows one lane, so it didn't give me the 32 Gbit speeds. Funneling all the data to one lane was slower than a SATA rather than 5 times faster.

[Wild Cobra]

This is $7.99 from Amazon:

link: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51S67YOuNbL.jpg (https://www.amazon.com/Flashmen-Black-Mini-mSATA-Adapter/dp/B013W3RA3G/)

[TDMVPDPOY]

what u guys think of getting a i7 7700k and cheapest mobo, and using onboard gpu

then wait till vega released or them new monitors b4 I decide which route for vga card investment... (stupid fkn entry level cards like rx480/580 1060/1070 are fkn overpriced and increase 100bucks each due to fkn mutts hording cards mine coins; that's why I want to stick to onboard vga till I make a splash on high end card and +34inch monitor)

currently I don't play games

actually the x series are a fail, how long u think the i7-7700k cpu will last me? +5yrs? stock for 2-3yrs b4 it bottlenecks then OC...



ps. I open my comp case to clean it out due to dusts inside psu and video card, couldnt explain why the continuous restarts and bsod, but anyway I accidentally press it hard or flicked the jumper to pushed the gpu out and it snapped breaking off; that switch aint important right? u can still manually push and pull out the video card without that flicker? ....

so yeh I manage to fix my comp, from the random bsod and not booting into bios/windows; all I did was fkn clean out the dusts on the vents of the psu...didn't know the psu sends data to windows and shit that makes it bsod...manage to clean most of the dusts out, still havnt pulled out the cpu to clean; I did pulled out the video card and didn't put it back in, using onboard vga...good enough for me atm... going to hand the comp down to my brother since he doesn't game...should be good enough for yt and general shit...

gonna spoil myself with a new comp

[DMC]

Oculus Rift on sale now with controllers for 399 at amazon.com.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Oculus Rift on sale now with controllers for 399 at amazon.com.

why u wanna buy this shit? u guys tried vr porn?

looking at new monitors coming out, looks like those freesync2 monitors come out with 95hz overclockable to 120hz...not bad, u will save on vega, but dunno about the new monitors even though its open source adapter...

u guys buy Korean unbranded monitors? check this new Crossover 34UM12 95Hz 3440x1440 - flat AH-IPS for like half the price of branded models
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF-lOrw6iL8

[DMC]

why u wanna buy this shit? u guys tried vr porn?

looking at new monitors coming out, looks like those freesync2 monitors come out with 95hz overclockable to 120hz...not bad, u will save on vega, but dunno about the new monitors even though its open source adapter...

u guys buy Korean unbranded monitors? check this new Crossover 34UM12 95Hz 3440x1440 - flat AH-IPS for like half the price of branded models
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF-lOrw6iL8

I have 2 144hz monitors and a 50" 4K TV as a monitor. My new system will be pretty sweet with VR. I like space and flight sims. They have some decent ones for VR and there will be more.

My monitors are Asus. TV is LG.

[baseline bum]

I have 2 144hz monitors and a 50" 4K TV as a monitor. My new system will be pretty sweet with VR. I like space and flight sims. They have some decent ones for VR and there will be more.

My monitors are Asus. TV is LG.

Are there any really high quality flight sims planned for the Rift or Vive? That would be my interest in VR: flight sims and driving games. But I'm leery of buying one of the headsets after seeing a review claiming you couldn't really spend more than 15 minutes in Project CARS for example without getting sick.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Are there any really high quality flight sims planned for the Rift or Vive? That would be my interest in VR: flight sims and driving games. But I'm leery of buying one of the headsets after seeing a review claiming you couldn't really spend more than 15 minutes in Project CARS for example without getting sick.

im interested in racing sims, I still have a g27 in a box I b ought 5years ago still cbf hooking it upto anything...need a real beast of a comp

I think @wildcobra had a sim setup

[baseline bum]

I think @wildcobra had a sim setup

I thought those were only in Japan?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM6gCqhtxyQ

[DJR210]

Lmao

[DJR210]

Outlast II in VR would be epic..

Madden would be great too if on the Master Race platform of choice

[DMC]

Are there any really high quality flight sims planned for the Rift or Vive? That would be my interest in VR: flight sims and driving games. But I'm leery of buying one of the headsets after seeing a review claiming you couldn't really spend more than 15 minutes in Project CARS for example without getting sick.

I don't know about the plans for HQ sims, but the trend seems to be going that way. If Oculus and Vive can become more affordable, more game designers will build around them, maybe even VR exclusive titles instead of just having a VR component.

[baseline bum]

Madden would be great too if on the Master Race platform of choice

Especially if you can do between gameday activities like starting shootouts in strip clubs.

[baseline bum]

Damn it looks like ether is crashing, we might start seeing a flood of cheap RX 480, RX 580, and GTX 1070 on the used market pretty soon.

[DMC]

http://i.imgur.com/x9qgtyv.jpg?1

Now just waiting for the Rift (tomorrow).

Probably work great once I get a PC that will run it :lol

I have friends that play for hours with these things, no problems. I am subject to motion sickness (can't play Half Life) myself so I'll know for sure soon. Might be a really good OR deal coming soon.

[TDMVPDPOY]

[QUOTE=DMC;9085035
I have friends that play for hours with these things, no problems. I am subject to motion sickness (can't play Half Life) myself so I'll know for sure soon. Might be a really good OR deal coming soon.[/QUOTE]

motion sickness? I use to get that playing fps games, but it had more to do with the monitor I was running...low hz refresh rate hurts ur eyes and shit

[TDMVPDPOY]

Damn it looks like ether is crashing, we might start seeing a flood of cheap RX 480, RX 580, and GTX 1070 on the used market pretty soon.

lets just say them miners get rid of their gpus, then the next peak coins comes....whats the next lineup of gpus they going to hord?

I read that china wants to start up its own crypto coin....why do they need these digital coins when t hey earn enough on Americas nfd interest payments, and in the process of trying to raise capital bonds of $8billion to buy up more foreign public and private assets :( :(

[TDMVPDPOY]

can someone explain to me gsync and fsync?

both tehcnologies only apply to low end gpus that cant stay north of 60fps while gaming so they smooth out the experience?

cause I see guys with NVidia cards buying fsync monitors and overclocking them above the standard 75hz to north of 75hz-100hz equivalent to gsync 100hz, due to not wanting to pay a premium for gsync monitors... if a fsync monitor can overclock to 100hz, would u still buy a fsync monitor or a gsync? the amount u save could be better spent elsewhere on improving the computer...

anyway any thoughts fellas?

[TDMVPDPOY]

with m.2 running in pci-e slots to increase write and read speeds to 2gb/s, and these costs an arm an a leg to purchase

why havnt they move those 3.5 hdd sata to pci-e? for increase speeds and manufacturing them is cheap compared to ssd...

remember beck in 90s if u wanted a fast hdd u needed a scsi card? :(

[DJR210]

G-Sync is not just for help staying smooth and stutter free below your refresh rate, it allows you to play at high frame rates with no screen tearing. It's just generally a lot smoother experience, you'll see what I mean once you try it for yourself. Using my HDTV playing Dying Light at 60hz V-Sync I get little hiccups and stutters once in a while, but all that shit is smooth like butter when I switch to my G-Sync monitor.

[DMC]

New system with Rift is

https://media.tenor.com/images/20f7e80fe77dddcd2bb7e8a09f3cffbd/tenor.gif

[baseline bum]

New system with Rift is

https://media.tenor.com/images/20f7e80fe77dddcd2bb7e8a09f3cffbd/tenor.gif

You get this addon yet?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM6gCqhtxyQ

[DMC]

I wouldn't be able to post if I did.

[ElNono]

Just snagged me one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GS63VR-Stealth-Pro-230-i7-7700HQ/dp/B01N7MMFTW/

should be here tomorrow

[TDMVPDPOY]

Just snagged me one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GS63VR-Stealth-Pro-230-i7-7700HQ/dp/B01N7MMFTW/

should be here tomorrow

why u get a gaming laptop? anyway is that video card upgradeable down the line? cause there are some laptops u can upgrade the video card

[ElNono]

why u get a gaming laptop? anyway is that video card upgradeable down the line? cause there are some laptops u can upgrade the video card

Work related. I don't think it's upgradeable, but for what I need, it'll more than do.

I ended up paying $1800 for it, from Warehouse deals. The only sucky part is the display is 4k pentile (AMOLED), and not real 4k, but as long as it has the resolution it's not a problem for me.

[vander]

so is Intel going to make any more CPU's that can be put on a 100 series motherboard?

[baseline bum]

so is Intel going to make any more CPU's that can be put on a 100 series motherboard?

Nah, Coffee Lake needs 300 series boards.

[apalisoc_9]

Building a gaming system at a system devoid of triple A games

http://www.thecoli.com/data/emoticons/4/0ef90322cbd73d73d046272a59136fff.png?t=1477966965

[Cry Havoc]

Building a gaming system at a system devoid of triple A games

http://www.thecoli.com/data/emoticons/4/0ef90322cbd73d73d046272a59136fff.png?t=1477966965

What's that?

[DJR210]

Building a gaming system at a system devoid of triple A games

http://www.thecoli.com/data/emoticons/4/0ef90322cbd73d73d046272a59136fff.png?t=1477966965

..meanwhile PUBG sits at 1 million concurrent users.. Plenty of content on PC, you're too stuck on bullshit like Spyro to notice :lol

[baseline bum]

..meanwhile PUBG sits at 1 million concurrent users.. Plenty of content on PC, you're too stuck on bullshit like Spyro to notice :lol

You play that game? I suck too much at fps to try it. After having a kill to death ratio of something like 1 to 15 in the Battlefield 1 open beta I figured I was better off sticking with CPY and single player tbh.

[apalisoc_9]

Building a gaming system whose most popular game right now has ps3 graphics. Building a system with 1000 hippie indie Andoird graphics games. Still playing AOE 2.

http://www.thecoli.com/data/emoticons/4/0ef90322cbd73d73d046272a59136fff.png?t=1477966965

[DJR210]

:lol dont even mention graphics 30 fps man

[Cry Havoc]

Building a gaming system whose most popular game right now has ps3 graphics. Building a system with 1000 hippie indie Andoird graphics games. Still playing AOE 2.

http://www.thecoli.com/data/emoticons/4/0ef90322cbd73d73d046272a59136fff.png?t=1477966965

Did you just try to say that PC has no triple A titles?

:lmao

[leemajors]

My Asus x370 Prime shit the bed a few weeks ago, have the ASRock x370 TaiChi now, much better. ASUS tech support is shit, tried to get an RMA for the last 3 weeks to no avail.

[Wild Cobra]

Just snagged me one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GS63VR-Stealth-Pro-230-i7-7700HQ/dp/B01N7MMFTW/

should be here tomorrow

Nice.

Seems expensive though.

When I bought my MSI Leopard Pro, it was $1,050. My requirements were full keyboard and 1080p or better. I never thought I would need that much power, but 1080p and full keyboard started at $695, so I went for the nicer processor and graphics, which at the time was the 950m. 960 was new.

Anyway, what really pissed me off was when I broke the screen, and was able to replace it for only $67. I'm thinking what a ripoff in price for the change from 1600 x 900 to 1920 x 1080. I'll bet the same applies with going to 4k.

I would have replaced it with a 4k if it had the right internal connector, but it didn't.

In retrospect, I went from 8 GB to 16 GB for $90, and added a 1 TB SSD for $330. Still, for that price, a 1 TB SSD would have been better I think.

[Wild Cobra]

The only sucky part is the display is 4k pentile (AMOLED), and not real 4k, but as long as it has the resolution it's not a problem for me.

Ouch.

That really sucks.

[ElNono]

Nice.

Seems expensive though.

When I bought my MSI Leopard Pro, it was $1,050. My requirements were full keyboard and 1080p or better. I never thought I would need that much power, but 1080p and full keyboard started at $695, so I went for the nicer processor and graphics, which at the time was the 950m. 960 was new.

Anyway, what really pissed me off was when I broke the screen, and was able to replace it for only $67. I'm thinking what a ripoff in price for the change from 1600 x 900 to 1920 x 1080. I'll bet the same applies with going to 4k.

I would have replaced it with a 4k if it had the right internal connector, but it didn't.

In retrospect, I went from 8 GB to 16 GB for $90, and added a 1 TB SSD for $330. Still, for that price, a 1 TB SSD would have been better I think.

The Leopard configured the same way, it's about the same price I paid (It's $1652 with a 15.6" 4K display, 16GB, 256GB SSD, and without the 2TB HD. I paid $1800 with a 512GB PCIe SSD and a 2TB HDD), plus it weights about a pound more.

Basically it was between this and the Razer Blade, and the Blade is a lot more money...

[Wild Cobra]

The Leopard configured the same way, it's about the same price I paid (It's $1652 with a 15.6" 4K display, 16GB, 256GB SSD, and without the 2TB HD. I paid $1800 with a 512GB PCIe SSD and a 2TB HDD), plus it weights about a pound more.

Basically it was between this and the Razer Blade, and the Blade is a lot more money...

At least the SSD is PCIe...

Is it the Samsung 960 pro?

[ElNono]

At least the SSD is PCIe...

Is it the Samsung 960 pro?

I don't think it is. I was already in awe with SATA3 SSDs, tbh, this is just a plus. The difference of booting in 8 seconds vs 10 seconds won't really make much of a difference to me.

Computer is solid so far. Even the display is really nice. The other thing I like is that it'll run on integrated gfx until you fire off GPU intensive stuff (or you can select to launch apps with the NVidia), which MacBooks had for a long time, and it saves you battery.

The only downside so far has been removing all the bloatware, creepware (ie: Norton), and disabling Cortana, etc, which is standard procedure these days when buying a new machine.

Really amazed they were able to jam-pack a real 1060 chip on such a thin and light laptop.

I would've gotten a FHD version just for gaming, but we're working on some 4K stuff, so I needed the higher res.

[illusioNtEk]

lol tomorrows i3 going to kill today's i7 cpus lol

[baseline bum]

lol tomorrows i3 going to kill today's i7 cpus lol

Tomorrow's i3 is basically today's i5.

[Wild Cobra]

I was looking at the new line of MSI laptops a few hours ago. they are well into the $3k and up for the top of the line.