Peter Holt and Red McCombs willing to invest in the Oakland Raiders ...

[FkLA]

Report: Raiders have already secured land in San Antonio for potential move



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The Raiders would reportedly play in the Alamo Bowl while a stadium between Austin and San Antonio is constructed.

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By Nick ToneyJan 13, 2016 at 11:52p ET

Oakland Raiders (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/oakland-raiders-team) owner Mark Davis missed out on Los Angeles, but that doesn't mean he'll return his team to Oakland.
They're playing without a lease in 2016 -- and the city of San Antonio could provide a soft landing for the Silver and Black.
Via Bleacher Report's Jason Cole (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2606838-insider-buzz-raiders-owner-mark-davis-pursuing-san-antonio-move-if-la-bid-fails):




Davis has plenty of reasons to drop his team right between San Antonio and Austin. The two cities would offer his team over 2.3 million football-hungry sports fans. His players would enjoy a state without income taxes.




Lastly, if he's anything like his father, Davis enjoys a little payback. He'd serve some up by becoming an instate competitor to Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, who led the charge to exclude the Raiders from L.A.relocation .


http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/oakland-raiders-texas-san-antonio-austin-relocation-stadium-alamodome-011316

I hope the guy is right but it is Bleacher Report and he called the Alamodome the 'Alamo Bowl' so he probably isn't worth a shit as a reporter/journalist.

[dabom]

I hope the guy is right but it is Bleacher Report and he called the Alamodome the 'Alamo Bowl' so he probably isn't worth a shit as a reporter/journalist.

:lol

[BatManu20]

I hope the guy is right but it is Bleacher Report and he called the Alamodome the 'Alamo Bowl' so he probably isn't worth a shit as a reporter/journalist.

:lol

[Chinook]

Yeah, I'd like to see ANYONE else confirm the land thing.

[Twisted_Dawg]

If the land acquisition story is true, I wonder if Davis actually purchased the land, or simply has an option to purchase it? There is a big difference between the two.

[Twisted_Dawg]

After the Chargers leave SD, and the cold hard reality hits the people and fans as well as the business leaders and politicians of SD that they have indeed lost their NFL team, does SD suddenly have a change of heart and build a new stadium to attract another NFL team......say the Raiders? SD is a huge TV market and a dynamic city. I'm not sure the good people of SD would want a scuzy owner like Davis, but the pickings are slim for replacement teams. The Jags also come to town.

[Chinook]

The question is going to be if Davis wants to wait a year or two for the Chargers to make their decision. I wouldn't, as the Raiders would be the third team in SoCal even if they get to move to LA. If they aren't going to find a way to stay in the bay area, they should go ahead a leave to a new town rather than being the pathetic tag-alongs they're being now. Unless Mark just straight up doesn't like SA, I don't see much of a reason not to make the move.

[rasuo214]

The question is going to be if Davis wants to wait a year or two for the Chargers to make their decision. I wouldn't, as the Raiders would be the third team in SoCal even if they get to move to LA. If they aren't going to find a way to stay in the bay area, they should go ahead a leave to a new town rather than being the pathetic tag-alongs they're being now. Unless Mark just straight up doesn't like SA, I don't see much of a reason not to make the move.

The Raiders are in a decent spot since they'll be the only free agent left after the Chargers make their move. They'll have SA competing for them, Oakland trying to keep them, LA/SD is another option, even STL looking to replace the Rams.

[yavozerb]

A lot of ideas but nothing more. Still fun to keep this idea going...:toast



Field of Dreams
Could Oakland Raiders be headed to Texas? Speculation surfaces on new NFL stadium
By John Egan

1.13.16 | 3:13 pm



As talk has been rekindled about an NFL franchise relocating to San Antonio, speculation has surfaced about where that team might play. Some of that speculation has centered on what essentially is the center point between San Antonio and Austin: the fast-growing suburb of San Marcos.

Giving rise to that chatter is a story from sports website Bleacher Report indicating that Mark Davis, owner of the Oakland Raiders — an NFL team shopping for a new home — has purchased land somewhere between San Antonio and Austin that purportedly could be the site of a new stadium for the Raiders. Bleacher Report’s Jason Cole says the Davis parcel “splits the difference” between San Antonio and Austin. Translation: Someplace in or near San Marcos is the likely spot.

In interviews with CultureMap, officials in San Marcos and Austin say they aren’t aware of such a land deal. Officials in San Antonio also seem to be in the dark, according to media reports.

Whatever the situation with the land, local officials say they’d be delighted to extend an invitation to an NFL team and explore construction of a stadium in our region.

Given its prime location along I-35 and between Austin and San Antonio, San Marcos would be a “natural play” for an NFL stadium, says Lance Aldridge, executive director of the Austin Sports Commission.

“I think it would be an exciting proposal,” Aldridge says of an NFL team and stadium in San Marcos. “We’d kill to have that.”

Adriana Cruz, president of the Greater San Marcos Partnership, a regional economic development agency, says an NFL stadium in San Marcos would align with her nonprofit’s stated goal of accommodating “destination attractions,” such as a major-league sports venue or an amusement park. She also says a stadium would complement San Marcos’ various amenities, particularly the two outlet malls, which collectively draw about 14 million visitors a year.

“Could we be home to a major stadium? Absolutely,” Cruz says.

An NFL stadium in San Marcos is “certainly something that makes a lot of sense — a lot of logistical sense, a lot of economic sense,” she says.

San Marcos sits about 30 miles south of Austin, the 11th largest city in the U.S., and about 40 miles north of San Antonio, the seventh largest city in the U.S. The Austin-San Antonio region is home to more than 4.3 million residents but just one major-league team: the NBA’s San Antonio Spurs. Experts say either the San Antonio metro area or the Austin metro area alone could support an NFL team, but situating an NFL stadium where those areas overlap undoubtedly would fortify the fan base.

For now, it’s impossible to say precisely how much land Davis might have purchased between Austin and San Antonio. But it is safe to say that a stadium project would require dozens of acres. As a means of comparison, U.S. Bank Stadium, under construction as the new home of the NFL’s Minnesota Vikings, will stand on a 38-acre site.

Of course, an NFL stadium in the Austin-San Antonio corridor would come with a hefty price tag: likely more than $1 billion. The NFL’s newest venue — Levi’s Stadium, home of the San Francisco 49ers — cost close to $1.3 billion. Next month, Levi’s Stadium will host Super Bowl 50.

As officials in our region salivate over the possibility of hosting an NFL team, the fate of the Oakland Raiders remains up in the air. The Raiders had sought to move to Los Angeles, but that proposal has been scrapped, and Davis now suggests that he’s not inclined to keep his team in Oakland. NFL owners approved the St. Louis Rams' move to a planned stadium in Los Angeles and gave the San Diego Chargers an option to join the Rams in LA a year later.

Amid the Raiders-Chargers-Rams drama and the buzz about the Oakland team possibly packing up for Texas, Aldridge cautions that the owners of the Lone Star State’s two NFL teams — the Dallas Cowboys and the Houston Texans — might balk at the idea, as a third team could cannibalize their fan bases. Furthermore, he says, Davis merely could be dangling a hypothetical move to Texas as a bargaining chip with Oakland.

“I can’t say it can’t be done,” Aldridge says of an NFL presence in the Austin-San Antonio corridor, “but there are a lot of challenges.”

[ChumpDumper]

Duh. A site near the outlet malls was a no brainer from the start. The trick is finding a way to rape the as many taxpayers as hard as possible to build. I will feel better about it if it is more privately funded than I think it will be.

[cjw]

Lumping Austin and SA together is an MSA with 4 million people, which would rank it 15th behind Phoenix and ahead of Seattle. Yes, they're 80 miles apart but many other MSAs are pretty sprawling. One hour drive max to games for people in the area compares to many other cities.

Population growth outpaces most other metro areas - 400k people combined added between 2010-2014. $43.5k median household income (Austin brings that up) is decent and compares to Phoenix / Nashville / etc. Good base of large companies too and a football culture.


If it ever gets off the ground, I doubt UT moves its games off campus as they've put money into the stadium, and remains to be seen what the Alamo Bowl would do.

[Chinook]

Duh. A site near the outlet malls was a no brainer from the start. The trick is finding a way to rape the as many taxpayers as hard as possible to build. I will feel better about it if it is more privately funded than I think it will be.

SM is WAY too far from SA. And even as an Austinite, I want that stadium farther away from my city. NB would be as close as I'd like it. I agree with you on private funding, not so much because I feel sorry for the tax-payers, but it'll be much more likely to work if they don't have to wait for votes to get it started.

[K...]

The Alamo bowl will be decommissioned probably.

I feel it's gonna come down to this. Who is willing to cram through funding hardest. I feel San Antonio / austin are just ready to be cucked by an NFL owner. You'd think we'd be smarter about it, but all it's gonna take is telling the San Antonio people " them Austin folks don't think you'll do it" & vice versa to the Austin people.. Add a small army of Jerry Jones haters, and I see a motivated region.




I don't know Oakland well. But it seems like an owner who has been so adamant about moving has worn out his welcome. Maybe oaktown folds and builds a new stadium (in which case the raiders may still leave when the contract allows) but if you were to bet you'd say that San Marcos would be the easiest push.

It's the money there? You're talking ten to 15 years from now.


Basically I never thought Rick Perry would get f1 racing to Austin, but he did. A third NFL team is way more sexy than a dumb Euro race. There will be a boatload of politicians looking to claim victory on this.

[manufan10]

Poor xmas can't even enjoy this. :lol

[Chinook]

Is Davis even being vilified? It just seems like this is an inevitable parting. Neither Davis nor Oakland can afford to build a new stadium. Their current stadium is falling apart. Short of selling the team to someone willing to dump a ton of money into a new place, I don't see how anyone can expect Davis to handle this differently.

And again, I don't think Austin is keen on getting an NFL team. The best thing about SA being so close is that THEY (y'all) can go ahead and pay for one, and we can just drive down whenever we feel like it. Like I don't want the Spurs in Austin. SA can be the sister city with all the cool stuff, and Austin can be the one with all the money.

[BatManu20]

Poor xmas can't even enjoy this. :lol

:lol

[dabom]

Fuck the middle of nowhere. Put it in SA. And Austin to SA is a fucking easy drive.

[spurraider21]

The question is going to be if Davis wants to wait a year or two for the Chargers to make their decision. I wouldn't, as the Raiders would be the third team in SoCal even if they get to move to LA. If they aren't going to find a way to stay in the bay area, they should go ahead a leave to a new town rather than being the pathetic tag-alongs they're being now. Unless Mark just straight up doesn't like SA, I don't see much of a reason not to make the move.
the raiders would kill the LA market when it comes to attracting fans. heck, even now when they travel to san diego, raider fans make up of over 50% of the fans in the stadium.

[spurraider21]

Is Davis even being vilified? It just seems like this is an inevitable parting. Neither Davis nor Oakland can afford to build a new stadium. Their current stadium is falling apart. Short of selling the team to someone willing to dump a ton of money into a new place, I don't see how anyone can expect Davis to handle this differently.

And again, I don't think Austin is keen on getting an NFL team. The best thing about SA being so close is that THEY (y'all) can go ahead and pay for one, and we can just drive down whenever we feel like it. Like I don't want the Spurs in Austin. SA can be the sister city with all the cool stuff, and Austin can be the one with all the money.
davis has shown good faith with oakland, but neither side seems to have money to spend, so i dont think there's bad blood. he's tried and tried and they've been sticking around on a series of 1-year leases while trying to hammer out a new stadium deal

[GSH]

Buy land. Start rumors. Sell land. Count money.

[Spurs9]

Theres no way they would put the stadium in SM tbh. How could they call them the San Antonio Raiders if its in SM :lol
What incentive would there be for San Antonio to not even have the team in the city if they can't profit off it?

[Mel_13]

Theres no way they would put the stadium in SM tbh. How could they call them the San Antonio Raiders if its in SM

NY Jets, NY Giants, San Francisco 49ers, and several others say hi.

[baseline bum]

I think it would be stupid to call them the San Antonio Raiders, they need to make it Austin's team too. If they come they should be the South Texas Raiders, and San Marcos would make sense to draw from both cities. The Spurs could never survive doing that, trying to fill 50-60 nights a year, but 10 times in a year I think people would travel to San Marcos from either city.

[K...]

I 35 highway raiders

[GSH]

Theres no way they would put the stadium in SM tbh. How could they call them the San Antonio Raiders if its in SM :lol
What incentive would there be for San Antonio to not even have the team in the city if they can't profit off it?


Have you ever been to Utah? Did you hear a lot of jazz while you were there?

For that matter, how did you enjoy all those Lakes out in Los Angeles?

[Chinook]

I think it would be stupid to call them the San Antonio Raiders, they need to make it Austin's team too. If they come they should be the South Texas Raiders, and San Marcos would make sense to draw from both cities. The Spurs could never survive doing that, trying to fill 50-60 nights a year, but 10 times in a year I think people would travel to San Marcos from either city.

It's just strange that it would be so close to Austin. I'd only consider going to a game once every four years or so (whenever the Raiders host the Ravens), so the distance wouldn't really bother me if it were a lot closer to SA, but if you're going to double-down that much on Austin being part of it, I'd like to hear more talk that Austin would actually support this. So far it's been all SA (besides some random polls). I'd like to hear about Austinite investors and politicians pushing for this before I think this could work as a full twin-cities venture.

[yavozerb]

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/pro-sports/cowboys/article/What-s-next-for-the-NFL-s-Raiders-6758941.php

[sasaint]

Is Davis even being vilified? It just seems like this is an inevitable parting. Neither Davis nor Oakland can afford to build a new stadium. Their current stadium is falling apart. Short of selling the team to someone willing to dump a ton of money into a new place, I don't see how anyone can expect Davis to handle this differently.

And again, I don't think Austin is keen on getting an NFL team. The best thing about SA being so close is that THEY (y'all) can go ahead and pay for one, and we can just drive down whenever we feel like it. Like I don't want the Spurs in Austin. SA can be the sister city with all the cool stuff, and Austin can be the one with all the money.

My impression is that the good people of Austin will support a local NFL team when the Longhorns abandon the sport, and not before then. Just IMHO.

[sasaint]

Have you ever been to Utah? Did you hear a lot of jazz while you were there?

For that matter, how did you enjoy all those Lakes out in Los Angeles?

:downspin: When I become commissioner I plan to rectify those issues my first day in office. :lol

[UNT Eagles 2016]

My impression is that the good people of Austin will support a local NFL team when the Longhorns abandon the sport, and not before then. Just IMHO.
It's getting pretty close. How many losing seasons in a row for them? The Vince Young season seems like 80 years ago, frankly.

[sasaint]

It's getting pretty close. How many losing seasons in a row for them? The Vince Young season seems like 80 years ago, frankly.

Don't know how many seasons. Don't follow UT athletics - or the Big 12 very closely. But I believe that Austin is committed to UT and would be pretty blasé about a local NFL team - UNLESS it was a serious Super Bowl contender. I don't expect the Raiders to relocate to South Texas anyway, and I really don't want them to. But if they change the name to some geographical mish-mash that rolls off the tongue like a multi-syllabic boulder I will ignore them entirely.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Don't know how many seasons. Don't follow UT athletics - or the Big 12 very closely. But I believe that Austin is committed to UT and would be pretty blasé about a local NFL team - UNLESS it was a serious Super Bowl contender. I don't expect the Raiders to relocate to South Texas anyway, and I really don't want them to. But if they change the name to some geographical mish-mash that rolls off the tongue like a multi-syllabic boulder I will ignore them entirely.

Some suggestions for names.

- "Hippies"?
- "Hipsters"?
- "Shorthorns"?
- "Longerhorns"?
- "Traffic Jams"?
- "Transplants"?
- "Weirdos"?

[Spurs9]

It's just strange that it would be so close to Austin. I'd only consider going to a game once every four years or so (whenever the Raiders host the Ravens), so the distance wouldn't really bother me if it were a lot closer to SA, but if you're going to double-down that much on Austin being part of it, I'd like to hear more talk that Austin would actually support this. So far it's been all SA (besides some random polls). I'd like to hear about Austinite investors and politicians pushing for this before I think this could work as a full twin-cities venture.
If SA is trying to hard to pull in the Raiders, why would they put them somewhere in San Marcos. The city profits off revenue of resturants/hotels etc. If thats all in San Marcos what revenue are they pulling in?

[BatManu20]

If the Raiders do end up moving out of Oakland, which is still very much up in the air, wherever they go, they won't change their branding.. that would just be dumb. They would lose a ton of fan fare with such an act. It will always be Raider Nation wherever they go.

[baseline bum]

So the Chargers look to be going to LA too.

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[GSH]

So the Chargers look to be going to LA too.


So the NFL has figured a way for their finals to be LA vs. LA? Somewhere, David Stern is crying.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

So the NFL has figured a way for their finals to be LA vs. LA? Somewhere, David Stern is crying.

as if the Rams or Chargers will even make the playoffs let alone the Super Bowl in the next 10 years... let alone BOTH of them :lmao

[BD24]

I agree with chinook and others that putting the stadium so close to Austin doesn't make a lot of sense. Put it somewhere off of 35 such as Retama Park. It's still close enough to San Antonio to be "Their" team, but easy enough to access for people who want to come down from Austin.

[baseline bum]

I agree with chinook and others that putting the stadium so close to Austin doesn't make a lot of sense. Put it somewhere off of 35 such as Retama Park. It's still close enough to San Antonio to be "Their" team, but easy enough to access for people who want to come down from Austin.

I don't think you'd have enough space there, that whole area around the 35/1604 interchange is pretty built up. You'd probably have to go out to Cibolo, or maybe a little north of New Braunfels.

[Rain Man]

LMAO

Ok SA try this, hope in one hand and shit in the other. See which one fills up first.

Just be happy with the Spurs and forget about the rest.

[baseline bum]

LMAO

Ok SA try this, hope in one hand and shit in the other. See which one fills up first.

Just be happy with the Spurs and forget about the rest.

San Antonio looks like it could end up being the fatty you go home with at 2:00AM now that the bar is closing.

[GSH]

as if the Rams or Chargers will even make the playoffs let alone the Super Bowl in the next 10 years... let alone BOTH of them :lmao


Dude... you keep missing the jokes today. Stern once said that his dream matchup for the Finals would be Lakers vs. Lakers.

See? So if the NFL puts enough teams in LA, then maybe... never mind.

[BD24]

I don't think you'd have enough space there, that whole area around the 35/1604 interchange is pretty built up. You'd probably have to go out to Cibolo, or maybe a little north of New Braunfels.
They could buy Retama park I would think. There is a lot of empty land between 1604 and new braunfels. Would think they could figure out something. More room their than universal city that's for sure.

[BD24]

San Antonio looks like it could end up being the fatty you go home with at 2:00AM now that the bar is closing.
:lolI like the comparison

[baseline bum]

:lolI like the comparison

San Antonio is obviously a Plan C for the Raiders. But Plan A and B look dead in the water with the Chargers to LA and the A's unable to partner with them for a place in Oakland.

[Obstructed_View]

Theres no way they would put the stadium in SM tbh. How could they call them the San Antonio Raiders if its in SM :lol
What incentive would there be for San Antonio to not even have the team in the city if they can't profit off it?

Santa Clara is about the same distance from San Francisco. Hell, Arlington is 20 miles from Dallas.

[Obstructed_View]

San Antonio looks like it could end up being the fatty you go home with at 2:00AM now that the bar is closing.

As a fan of the city of San Antonio, I'll take it.

[TheGreatYacht]

LMAO

Ok SA try this, hope in one hand and shit in the other. See which one fills up first.

Just be happy with the Spurs and forget about the rest.
Whose troll is this? That's one shitty alt

[TheGreatYacht]

Bring the Raiders over here, Carr is on the come up and the team has potential. Tired of having faggot quarterbacks representing Texas. Brian Hoyer on one team, and some 8-8 choking cuck who chews tobacco and is built like Charmin toilet paper on the other.

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Pictured above are 3 choking betas and Dwyane Wade.

[gameFACE]

There's a Lloyd Christmas chance of it happening. Yeah, we're the fat chick. Although in between SA/Austin makes sense maybe they could play at Longhorn stadium for a season while a radical transformation of the Alamodome could happen. In any case there is still the TV market problem.

[baseline bum]

There's a Lloyd Christmas chance of it happening. Yeah, we're the fat chick. Although in between SA/Austin makes sense maybe they could play at Longhorn stadium for a season while a radical transformation of the Alamodome could happen. In any case there is still the TV market problem.

Houston was the fat chick and they beat LA to get the Texans. SA just has to beat Oakland.

[gameFACE]

Houston was the fat chick and they beat LA to get the Texans. SA just has to beat Oakland.

Yeah but Houston was Christina Hendricks fat. SA is chola fat. Hey, it could happen.

[Rain Man]

Whose troll is this? That's one shitty alt

Because I disagree with you I'm a troll and a shitty alt? How about facing the facts?

[PublicOption]

See what the league did to St. Louis? They were going to five the Rams a new stadium. They didn't care. I don't think we should care if the NFL is here or not.

[baseline bum]

Because I disagree with you I'm a troll and a shitty alt? How about facing the facts?

The facts that the Raiders are getting shut out of LA and have been playing on one year leases in Oakland?

[Rain Man]

The facts that the Raiders are getting shut out of LA and have been playing on one year leases in Oakland?

So that means automatic SA move? They are going to move from Oakland to a slightly better Oakland?

[baseline bum]

So that means automatic SA move?

Where did I say that?

[BatManu20]

San Antonio mayor Henry Cisneros really wants the Raiders to come to his city


With Los Angeles getting the Rams to play in their city once again, San Antonio is now making a play to get the Oakland Raiders to pack up and head east to Texas.

As the team has found it more and more difficult to secure a new stadium deal with Oakland, Raiders owner Mark Davis is feeling a bit left out of the LA fun, as the NFL also allowed the Chargers the option to play in Los Angeles (http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-nfl-la-stadium-20160110-story.html) with the Rams.

San Antonio mayor Henry Cisneros has offered Davis a solution though, as Cisneros wants the Raiders to play in the Alamo City.

According to the San Antonio Business Journal (http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2016/01/13/cisneros-san-antonio-needs-to-make-hard-run-at.html), Cisneros says now is the time for local leaders in San Antonio to make their pitch for the NFL to come to their city.

“The stakes are so high for a city like San Antonio that is on the cusp of being an NFL market that it is worth making every effort,” Cisneros told the SABJ. “This may be our best chance in decades.”

San Antonio Chamber of Commerce President and CEO Richard Perez, who also was involved in talks of relocating the Raiders to San Antonio, agreed with Mayor Cisneros.

Perez said that he’s confident (http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2016/01/13/cisneros-san-antonio-needs-to-make-hard-run-at.html) that the Raiders will inquire about moving to San Antonio, saying that, “I am confident they are going to call. We need to be ready when they do.”

After fellow NFL owners awarded Los Angeles the potential of having two NFL teams during a January 12 meeting, some writers reported (https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/687091704587890688) that Davis looked extremely upset with the decision.

CBS San Fransisco reporter Christin Ayers even said that Davis “sounded like a man who has no intention of keeping the Raiders in Oakland.”

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[Seventyniner]

My impression is that the good people of Austin will support a local NFL team when the Longhorns abandon the sport, and not before then. Just IMHO.

Yeah, the Whorns (along with most big-time P5 teams) are basically a pro team anyway.

[BatManu20]

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[elemento]

Well it would be awesome for San Antonio and I would definitely follow the team closer, but I'm still not willing to change my team. In the NFL, I'm a Raven for life.

[Chinook]

Well it would be awesome for San Antonio and I would definitely follow the team closer, but I'm still not willing to change my team. In the NFL, I'm a Raven for life.

:toast:cry

[BD24]

Well it would be awesome for San Antonio and I would definitely follow the team closer, but I'm still not willing to change my team. In the NFL, I'm a Raven for life.
Agree, as a life long Packers fan I wouldnt be changing team either. The Raiders could be my AFC team or something though. I would definitely support them and go to some games.

[sasaint]

See what the league did to St. Louis? They were going to five the Rams a new stadium. They didn't care. I don't think we should care if the NFL is here or not.

I might like it if the NFL were here, but the Raiders? Meh.

[BatManu20]

The Raiders should move to San Antonio for three major reasons




The Oakland Raiders should "Remember the Alamo" when choosing a new home city. San Antonio could offer it all.

Matthew Emmons / USA TODAY Sports



By Nick ToneyJan 14, 2016 at 11:54p ET

The city of San Antonio has made no secret of their desire to land an NFL franchise.
Now, the Oakland Raiders (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/oakland-raiders-team) are available. A move to South Texas might offer them the long-term stadium solution they couldn't find in Los Angeles or Oakland.

Here are three major reasons why owner Mark Davis will heavily weigh his options and move to the Lone Star State:

1. San Antonio has a built-in stadium: The Rams and Chargers can move to Los Angeles tomorrow; they've got the Rose Bowl and the Coliseum to claim as temporary homes. San Antonio has a similar solution for Davis' team in the aging, but useful Alamodome. That stadium was good enough to house the Katrina-displaced Saints in 2005; it can keep the Raiders satisfied until a new home is built.

2. He gets two huge markets for the price of one: Davis' Los Angeles pitch hinged upon the steadfast loyalty of his Northern California fan base. That two-pronged approach is exactly what'll help his team prosper in Texas. The relocated Raiders should attract fans from San Antonio and nearby Austin -- the seventh and 11th-most populous American cities, respectively.

3. It lets him dig at Jerry Jones: The quirky Cowboys owner led the charge to exclude the Raiders from Los Angeles earlier this week. Davis, the son of a notorious revenge-seeking owner, won't sit quietly in Oakland when he can move his team into Jones' backyard . Be careful what you wish for, Jerry.

[dabom]

Knew 3 was a big one when BatManu posted it. Jerry stay helping us. :lmao

[dabom]

Media now pushing the debate just like LMA. :lol

[T Park]

USAA getting involved is beyond gigantic. Also reports of 12 corporations ready to be heavily involved, luxury suites etc.. Is gigantic as well.

If the city is smart they offer the Alamodome rent free in return to give time to find a suitable location to build a stadium.

Then enact a 2 cent hotel motel sales tax to pay for it and rescind it immediately upon completion of paying off the stadium I.E. Like the Alamodome. That gets it done and the Raiders here.

[Ditty]

Raiders would be my AFC team also, and I would forsure get season tickets and cheer them on :toast

[.G.]

Regarding dozen or so corporate sponsors, my guess would be:
USAA
HEB
Valero
Rackspace
Toyota
KIA
State Farm
at&t
Coca-Cola
SWBC
Holt Cat
Taco Cabana

Miracle b:loldy and paint :lol "kaligion center"????

[.G.]

Add Frost Bank to that list...

[Obstructed_View]

Houston proved that a well-organized group has a chance, and San Antonio seems to have learned from that example. Beats the hell out of a stadium-shaped cake.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

There's a Lloyd Christmas chance of it happening. Yeah, we're the fat chick. Although in between SA/Austin makes sense maybe they could play at Longhorn stadium for a season while a radical transformation of the Alamodome could happen. In any case there is still the TV market problem.

There is no TV Market Problem. All teams share equally the TV Revenue from the NFL. There are over 5 mil people in South Texas, not including the Mexican stations the NFL could pickup. In any case, since a team is moving from the central time zone, the NFL would more than likely want to put one back in it.

[pgardn]

Well it would be awesome for San Antonio and I would definitely follow the team closer, but I'm still not willing to change my team. In the NFL, I'm a Raven for life.

So you were originally a Cleveland fan?

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

So that means automatic SA move? They are going to move from Oakland to a slightly better Oakland?

Slightly better. City of Oakland is broke. They have no money to give Davis. Plus I read the new stadium would cost over 2 billion dollars due to the new roads and public amenities that would have to be constructed. With A's building their own complex, Davis has to foot the bill himself or find investors. Good look with that as the Raiders have been in bottom 3 in the NFL is Net Profit for the past decade.

It would take an investor 30+ years just to get their money back at that rate. Look at the Texans. No matter how bad they do, they make around 150Mil a season in PROFITS. That is over 100mil more than the Raiders do.

[Spurs9]

Regarding dozen or so corporate sponsors, my guess would be:
USAA
HEB
Valero
Rackspace
Toyota
KIA
State Farm
at&t
Coca-Cola
SWBC
Holt Cat
Taco Cabana

Miracle b:loldy and paint :lol "kaligion center"????
Wayne Wrig:lolt

[UZER]

Regarding dozen or so corporate sponsors, my guess would be:
USAA
HEB
Valero
Rackspace
Toyota
KIA
State Farm
at&t
Coca-Cola
SWBC
Holt Cat
Taco Cabana

Miracle b:loldy and paint :lol "kaligion center"????


Wayne Wrig:lolt

Mother's Window Tint
Billy Bob's Beds

[yavozerb]

Mother's Window Tint
Billy Bob's Beds

Cannot believe you guys left off john wayne a/c and heating...dude is everywhere

[Spurs9]

The Jim Adler Dome :lol
Mama Margis Center

[NASpurs]

Ancira
Bjorn
Splashtown :lol

[I. Hustle]

The Jim Adler Dome :lol
Mama Margis Center

The Hammer Dome sounds cool

[cd98]

The Raiders should move to San Antonio for three major reasons




The Oakland Raiders should "Remember the Alamo" when choosing a new home city. San Antonio could offer it all.

Matthew Emmons / USA TODAY Sports



By Nick ToneyJan 14, 2016 at 11:54p ET

The city of San Antonio has made no secret of their desire to land an NFL franchise.
Now, the Oakland Raiders (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/oakland-raiders-team) are available. A move to South Texas might offer them the long-term stadium solution they couldn't find in Los Angeles or Oakland.

Here are three major reasons why owner Mark Davis will heavily weigh his options and move to the Lone Star State:

1. San Antonio has a built-in stadium: The Rams and Chargers can move to Los Angeles tomorrow; they've got the Rose Bowl and the Coliseum to claim as temporary homes. San Antonio has a similar solution for Davis' team in the aging, but useful Alamodome. That stadium was good enough to house the Katrina-displaced Saints in 2005; it can keep the Raiders satisfied until a new home is built.

2. He gets two huge markets for the price of one: Davis' Los Angeles pitch hinged upon the steadfast loyalty of his Northern California fan base. That two-pronged approach is exactly what'll help his team prosper in Texas. The relocated Raiders should attract fans from San Antonio and nearby Austin -- the seventh and 11th-most populous American cities, respectively.

3. It lets him dig at Jerry Jones: The quirky Cowboys owner led the charge to exclude the Raiders from Los Angeles earlier this week. Davis, the son of a notorious revenge-seeking owner, won't sit quietly in Oakland when he can move his team into Jones' backyard . Be careful what you wish for, Jerry.
















Plus Silver and Black matches w/ Spurs. It would be awesome to get a team on its way up, but I have to think this longshot won't happen.

[Seventyniner]

Regarding dozen or so corporate sponsors, my guess would be:
USAA
HEB
Valero
Rackspace
Toyota
KIA
State Farm
at&t
Coca-Cola
SWBC
Holt Cat
Taco Cabana

Miracle b:loldy and paint :lol "kaligion center"????

No Whataburger?

[UZER]

Solo Serve Stadium

[BatManu20]

Plus Silver and Black matches w/ Spurs. It would be awesome to get a team on its way up, but I have to think this longshot won't happen.

Probably not, but it's fun to talk about.

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

Schlitterbahn Stadium has a ring to it :lol

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[lefty]

:lol Lol Antonio

[lefty]

The Begging

[spurraider21]

I think SA is the most likely outcome eventually but not necessarily by 2016

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

I think SA is the most likely outcome eventually but not necessarily by 2016

I'd be shocked if they play anywhere other than Oakland this season. Even if it is on just another a one year lease.

[RD2191]

Can the Spurs group buy the Raiders? I'd support them in SA but they need some changes.

[BatManu20]

Can the Spurs group buy the Raiders? I'd support them in SA but they need some changes.

Mark Davis doesn't want to sell the team. He's had plenty of offers, including from Red McCombs, but he won't budge.

[sasaint]

I think SA is the most likely outcome eventually but not necessarily by 2016

I doubt Spanos moves this season. So, Davis will have this season in Oaktown to see how things shake out. He has his fingers crossed that San Diego buckles to the NFL-sanctioned opportunity afforded the Chargers to move to LA, and Spanos will decide to remain in San Diego.

Tbh, Jerry Jones' plan was a master stroke for the league. Grant the lone NFC contender the right to relocate and wait to see which AFC team elects to move. Thus, LA is guaranteed both an NFC and an AFC team.

[gameFACE]

Butt Stadium (thanks HEB)


There is no TV Market Problem. All teams share equally the TV Revenue from the NFL. There are over 5 mil people in South Texas, not including the Mexican stations the NFL could pickup. In any case, since a team is moving from the central time zone, the NFL would more than likely want to put one back in it.

Yes they share equally. Some markets generate much more revenue than others. A team would be moving from the #6 market to #37. Less money in the kitty. Could be a problem.

[RD2191]

Mark Davis doesn't want to sell the team. He's had plenty of offers, including from Red McCombs, but he won't budge.

Well that sucks.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I hardly doubt the Raiders stay in Oakland. The cost of a new stadium is too steep and with the A's going out on their own and building their own complex, that basically killed any chance the Raiders staying.

SD maybe an option. But, does the NFL really want 3 teams just 2 hours apart. A lot of the Charger fanbase are still going to be Charger fans. Plus, the biggest fallback is just the cost of a new stadium. It will likely cost 500 mil more to build one in SD than SA, and even more to build one in Oakland. With the recent Profits of the Raiders, that means its would take them about 15+ years just to recoup THAT COST.

So that is why SD couldn't find any investors to close the gap on a new stadium.

SA has pledges from 12 corp sponsors and SSE and McCombs already said they would invest 300-400 mil in a new stadiium, at least that were the reports from when they courted the Raiders previously. SACC said the city could raise another 300 mil from Bonds and Taxes. Just another 200 mil from the 12 other corporate sponsors and you have enough to build your stadium.

From a financial standpoint, Davis isn't going to get a better offer. Only LA provided that. As McCombs said, it really just about Davis wanting to move to SA as he said there isn't a better deal on the table for him by far at this point.

[spurraider21]

I'd be shocked if they play anywhere other than Oakland this season. Even if it is on just another a one year lease.
mhm. my guess is they re-up for 1 year in oakland and try to move to SA next year, but they'd need a stadium deal completed and agreed do before committing to relocation. thats how they got fucked over in LA

[spurraider21]

Mark Davis doesn't want to sell the team. He's had plenty of offers, including from Red McCombs, but he won't budge.
yeah, its a little frustrating. not that he's a "bad owner." he's not meddling or dysfunctional, legitimately cares about the team, and got the team pretty damn close to a nice stadium deal in LA if not for Kroenke wanting to move at exactly the same time.

the issue is he doesn't have deep pockets, which really holds him back regarding stadium deals. his net worth is entirely tied to his ownership of the team

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Butt Stadium (thanks HEB)



Yes they share equally. Some markets generate much more revenue than others. A team would be moving from the #6 market to #37. Less money in the kitty. Could be a problem.

That doesn't matter. The deal with CBS, NBC, ESPN and FOX already etched in stone. Ratings have little to do with how much the NFL makes after a deal is done. Cable pay for the rights to broadcast these games up front. ESPN forked over 15.2 billion dollars just to retain MNF. Just one freakin' game a week.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/09/sports/football/espn-extends-deal-with-nfl-for-15-billion.html?_r=0

That is why teams like Jags, NO, Indy, Clev, Bal, etc can exist. B/c TV demo is based off regions not cities. You are talking about San Antonio as one market. Combine it with all of South Texas and the TV Market goes to #11 in the Nation. Jerry wouldn't lose any viewers as the Raiders would be on CBS and NFC teams are on Fox. McNair would care because he would then be competing with another AFC team in his own backyard.

[boutons_deux]

If SA/AUS wants a team, the $1B+ stadium should be financed with equity (shares bought by the interested), not taxpayer debt (bonds + interest paid mostly by uninterested people).

[BatManu20]

Colin speaks the truth.

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[TheGreatYacht]

Tons of Dallas and Houston natives shitting on the move. I will never understand how SA natives will root for such scum cities... They don't like you.

[Spurs9]

Would love to have a NFL team, I've never been to a game. Even if the team is lousy it would be cool to have some in person NFL action so close.

[baseline bum]

I hardly doubt the Raiders stay in Oakland. The cost of a new stadium is too steep and with the A's going out on their own and building their own complex, that basically killed any chance the Raiders staying.


The A's are in the O.co Coliseum until 2024. Them signing that 10 year lease was a huge blow against Davis keeping the team in Oakland since he desperately wants out of that stadium. Now he has to go it alone if he stays.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

The A's are in the O.co Coliseum until 2024. Them signing that 10 year lease was a huge blow against Davis keeping the team in Oakland since he desperately wants out of that stadium. Now he has to go it alone if he stays.


If I am not mistaken, the A's have an early buyout clause after 7 years I think. But the A's owner already said anyways he wanted to build a Baseball park similar to the one they are build the Braves here in Atlanta.

So either way, the Raiders are on their own in Oakland as oppose to having multiple partner with arms wide open here in SA. Levi Stadium is the only option for staying in the Bay Area long-term and that more than likely isnt happening.

[BatManu20]

The Oakland leverage play already has begun

Posted by Mike Florio on January 15, 2016, 11:26 AM EST
https://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/cd05oddlnmnhy2mwmjrlzwqzntjhm2viytq1y2vly2yzocznpt exyjk3yzzizdrkm2m5mjblmznkndg5zdmxzgzhytvk-e1452875177527.jpeg?w=232
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For years, Los Angeles has served as the leverage for NFL owners hoping to squeeze maximum public money from their current localities in order to build new stadiums. Now that L.A. is off the table, NFL owners need to find new “or else” options if they hope to shake taxpayer dollars from the trees on which money doesn’t grow.

Enter San Antonio.

It’s no coincidence that media reports linking the Raiders to San Antonio emerged immediately after the door was slammed shut on the Raiders moving to L.A. With the very real threat of the Raiders bolting from the Bay Area back to Southern California, the folks in Oakland did nothing meaningful to assist with the construction of a new stadium. Now that the Raiders: (1) can’t go to L.A. unless the Chargers choose not to partner in Kroenkeworld; and (2) have an extra $100 million for the purposes of building a stadium in Oakland, will the powers-that-be in Alameda County feel more compelled to act? Or less?

That’s why San Antonio is back in play. But it won’t be as easy as owner Mark Davis thinks.

“We don’t have a lease right now at the Oakland Coliseum,” Davis said Tuesday. “America, the world is a possibility for the Raider Nation.”
The lease in Oakland is only part of the equation. Davis still needs 23 other owners to approve any move to a new city. Unless Davis plans to take a page from his late father’s playbook, it means that it will take only nine other owners to freeze him out of a given market, like San Antonio.
And two strong “no” votes surely would come, quickly and loudly, from the state of Texas. Neither the Houston Texans nor the Dallas Cowboys will want to see another NFL franchise wedged into their territory.

“Well if they go there, we have a suburb called Plano, Texas right outside of Dallas,” Cowboys owner Jerry Jones told PFT Live last March. “There’s a higher percentage of Cowboy fans in San Antonio than there is in Plano; 97 percent (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/27/jones-thinks-a-team-or-two-is-headed-to-l-a/). So it’s a great hotbed for us down there, we do a lot of things down there, we train down there. So if they go down there they’ll be surrounded with a lot of Cowboy fans and that’s good, that’s good.”

On the surface, Jones acts like he isn’t worried about the Raiders causing that 97-percent saturation in San Antonio to fall. At a deeper level, he surely is. While he would have no qualms about the Raiders using San Antonio as a crowbar to get something/anything from Oakland, Jones would drop the hammer if/when Davis tries to move to San Antonio.

And Jones, who had the vision, leadership, and commitment to help make Kroenkeworld a reality for the NFL, undoubtedly has the juice to get at least eight other owners to tell Davis that the Silver and Black will never be infringing upon the Blue and Silver.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/15/the-oakland-leverage-play-already-has-begun/

[BatManu20]

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[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

“Well if they go there, we have a suburb called Plano, Texas right outside of Dallas,” Cowboys owner Jerry Jones told PFT Live last March. “There’s a higher percentage of Cowboy fans in San Antonio than there is in Plano; 97 percent (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/27/jones-thinks-a-team-or-two-is-headed-to-l-a/). So it’s a great hotbed for us down there, we do a lot of things down there, we train down there. So if they go down there they’ll be surrounded with a lot of Cowboy fans and that’s good, that’s good.”




Jerry said last year he wouldn't block it. McNair on the otherhand said he was on the fence and would make a decision if and when it came for a vote. Like I said, Jerry wouldn't lose anything. Being that the Raiders are an AFC, it will just give people a reason to root for two teams. The team that it would hurt would definitely be the Texans. I would expect McNair to vote against it for sure.

And SA isn't really a leverage point at this point. There is really no way Oakland can compete with the SA offer. They are broke and have no monies to invest in a new stadium. This would just be leverage to any corporations in the area who might want to step up and fit the bill. But I don't see that happening as stadium events are few and farther between then arena event and cost more to maintain and build.

It's going to cost 1 Billion dollars just to build a new ARENA in the Bay Area on 12 acres. Imagine the cost of a Stadium, which requires 40+ acres. That is why the Warriors new home is going back across the Bay.

[gameFACE]

That is why teams like Jags, NO, Indy, Clev, Bal, etc can exist. B/c TV demo is based off regions not cities. You are talking about San Antonio as one market. Combine it with all of South Texas and the TV Market goes to #11 in the Nation. Jerry wouldn't lose any viewers as the Raiders would be on CBS and NFC teams are on Fox. McNair would care because he would then be competing with another AFC team in his own backyard.

You just pointed out a problem. Thanks.

[BatManu20]

San Antonio woos Raiders in relocation bid

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San Francisco (AFP) - Texas billionaire Red McCombs, a former owner of the NFL Minnesota Vikings and NBA San Antonio Spurs, is encouraging the Oakland Raiders to consider relocating to San Antonio.

McCombs told KZDC radio that he would be willing to invest in the team if that would help lure Raiders owner Mark Davis into the Alamodome as a temporary home while a new stadium is built.

"We still have to get them to want to come," McCombs said. "(Davis) was born and raised there and he has a great feeling for the state of California, but it appears he is going to need to go somewhere."

On Tuesday, the NFL rejected a relocation plan to Los Angeles for the Raiders and San Diego Chargers and approved the move of the St. Louis Rams to Los Angeles. The Chargers have up to a year to join them in a new stadium deal and if they refuse the Raiders would then have a year to move.

But that is scant help for Davis, whose team lacks a lease for next season and is looking at a late March NFL owners meeting to have final answers for the 2016 season.

Corporate support in the region won't be a problem, according to 88-year-old McCombs.

"We already have 12 of the corporate entities nailed down and ready with serious commitments," McCombs said. "They are not going to find anywhere else in the United States that can equal what we put together."

NFL owners would have to approve the move, which could draw complaints from the two other owners of Texas NFL teams, Jerry Jones of the Dallas Cowboys and Bob McNair of the Houston Texans.


http://news.yahoo.com/san-antonio-woos-raiders-relocation-bid-193907826--nfl.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[TheGreatYacht]

Red McCombs deserves a statue

[baseline bum]

Red McCombs deserves a statue

I'll piss on his statue for bringing Vinny Del Negro in, letting Strickland walk for nothing, and dooming DRob into having mediocre supporting casts in the 90s because of it.

[spurraider21]

jerry will have a hard time blocking another raiders relocation bid when he was one of the main voices that kept the raiders out of LA this time around

[TheGreatYacht]

I'll piss on his statue for bringing Vinny Del Negro in, letting Strickland walk for nothing, and dooming DRob into having mediocre supporting casts in the 90s because of it.
Was he the GM?

[dabom]

jerry will have a hard time blocking another raiders relocation bid when he was one of the main voices that kept the raiders out of LA this time around

Yeah.

[dabom]

Seriously media pushing this hard now. Jerry sealed the deal himself. :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

jerry will have a hard time blocking another raiders relocation bid when he was one of the main voices that kept the raiders out of LA this time around
Will you still root for the Raiders if they leave Cali?

[Maddog]

I'll piss on his statue for bringing Vinny Del Negro in, letting Strickland walk for nothing, and dooming DRob into having mediocre supporting casts in the 90s because of it.

oh yeah, a low point in Spurs history.
After having a promising young team in 89-90, in 92 a line up with Del Negro as point and Tark as coach....

[ChumpDumper]

Red McCombs deserves a statueAnd the plaque reads "Most Mediocre Pro Sports Owner."

[ChumpDumper]

There is no TV Market Problem. All teams share equally the TV Revenue from the NFL. There are over 5 mil people in South Texas, not including the Mexican stations the NFL could pickup. In any case, since a team is moving from the central time zone, the NFL would more than likely want to put one back in it.Which of those TVs are not already watching the Cowboys and Texans?

I think the likelihood of their moving here is higher than ever before, but far from a slamdunk.

[cjw]

Which of those TVs are not already watching the Cowboys and Texans?

I think the likelihood of their moving here is higher than ever before, but far from a slamdunk.


Being in the NY market, we get screwed by NFL TV rules all the time because CBS can't show a game when the Giants are at home, and Fox with Jets at home (some exceptions when inter-conference games carried on other network, plus prime-time).

This is not the case in Texas, as CBS may push for one of the Raiders or Texans to play late games (Raiders likely, given West division). So theoretically on CBS doubleheader weekends, fans could end up with games featuring all three Texas teams unless there's another compelling Game of the Week in the 3pm CT slot.

As importantly, this extends interest in the AFC West throughout the country, creating more interest in Texas in games featuring the Chargers, Chiefs and Broncos. Bay Area will still get those games, as fans will either stick with Raiders or convert to Chargers / Niners / Rams.

[ChumpDumper]

Being in the NY market, we get screwed by NFL TV rules all the time because CBS can't show a game when the Giants are at home, and Fox with Jets at home (some exceptions when inter-conference games carried on other network, plus prime-time).

This is not the case in Texas, as CBS may push for one of the Raiders or Texans to play late games (Raiders likely, given West division). So theoretically on CBS doubleheader weekends, fans could end up with games featuring all three Texas teams unless there's another compelling Game of the Week in the 3pm CT slot.

As importantly, this extends interest in the AFC West throughout the country, creating more interest in Texas in games featuring the Chargers, Chiefs and Broncos. Bay Area will still get those games, as fans will either stick with Raiders or convert to Chargers / Niners / Rams.But is that a net gain over where they are now?

The math just seems fuzzy to me.

[spurraider21]

Will you still root for the Raiders if they leave Cali?
Absolutely

[cjw]

But is that a net gain over where they are now?

The math just seems fuzzy to me.

There's no net gain necessarily, it's just about it not being a huge hole. It's not like the Bay Area is lost as a market plus Raiders fans are pretty dispersed throughout the country.

I'm not sold on the Mexican market growth. Economy is on solid footing and opening up. However, this was sort of already tried with Buffalo - it's not like the Bills are Canada's team.

[BatManu20]

Donny talking about dead relatives at the kid's birthday party as usual.68709224848442982468709691713054310468710082 7635433476687101571340070912

[CubanMustGo]

Only 1.5 billion reasons the Raiders won't move here ... the number of dollars it would cost to build a modern NFL facility. Red can blow smoke all he wants but he's not going to foot that kind of bill for a stadium, and the taxpayers of New Braunfels (lol) where Davis has supposedly purchased land aren't going to come up with it, either.

[BatManu20]

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[BD24]

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The part about Kawhi was cool.

[Rain Man]

Only 1.5 billion reasons the Raiders won't move here ... the number of dollars it would cost to build a modern NFL facility. Red can blow smoke all he wants but he's not going to foot that kind of bill for a stadium, and the taxpayers of New Braunfels (lol) where Davis has supposedly purchased land aren't going to come up with it, either.

Spit that truth

[sasaint]

There's no net gain necessarily, it's just about it not being a huge hole. It's not like the Bay Area is lost as a market plus Raiders fans are pretty dispersed throughout the country.

I'm not sold on the Mexican market growth. Economy is on solid footing and opening up. However, this was sort of already tried with Buffalo - it's not like the Bills are Canada's team.

Not a good comparison. Canada has its own home-grown brand of football. Mexico has futbol.

[K...]

1.5 billion sounds like a lot but that $$$ is a bet on the future.

Also, that money must be spent as the nfl can't allow even a shitty franchise from toil away in a second rate arena.

So the game is not, can we afford the team, but can we better afford them better than Oakland, St Louis, etc.

That's why this looks like a done deal. The odds of Oakland outbidding us are slim. Los Angeles could always be an option but raiders are obviously the third option or worse.

[Chinook]

There's no net gain necessarily, it's just about it not being a huge hole. It's not like the Bay Area is lost as a market plus Raiders fans are pretty dispersed throughout the country.

I'm not sold on the Mexican market growth. Economy is on solid footing and opening up. However, this was sort of already tried with Buffalo - it's not like the Bills are Canada's team.

It's not really the same thing. Gridiron football is already a big sport in Canada, so having a sucky NFL teams play there shouldn't do much. The league should look at trying to merge with the CFL if they want to get Canada on board. GFB is relatively ignored in Mexico, but there are a lot of Cowboys fans in the border states. Having a team in a city with a strong Mexican culture/heritage (and one that's 300 miles closer than Dallas) has a chance to be a big draw. Games in Mexico City would be closer to London than they would be to Toronto in terms of spectacle. If the Raiders could secure a game there annually, it would be huge, and unlike the London games, it would be good for their fanbase, as it would still be in-market.

[Chinook]

It's obvious that any team that SA/Cen-Tex/South Texas woos should have to sign a deal like the Glazers did when they had RJS built in Tampa. They're going to need an unbreakable lease for 15-20 years. They're going to have to get at least what STL got out of the Rams to make it worth it.

[Kidd K]

Donny talking about dead relatives at the birthday party as usual.68709224848442982468709691713054310468710082 7635433476687101571340070912

That dude's a genuine salt mine with those tweets

[Twisted_Dawg]

I'll piss on his statue for bringing Vinny Del Negro in, letting Strickland walk for nothing, and dooming DRob into having mediocre supporting casts in the 90s because of it.

I'll be right behind you to take a dump on his grave. Don't forget the run of horrible coaches Red hired during the Dark Ages of the Spurs. Trading Brikowski because he was a club house lawyer, selling Vernon Maxwell for $50,000 "like a slave" to the Rockets, etc, etc.

[baseline bum]

LOL Don Harris acting like San Antonio is still competing with LA for a team. I stopped listening to that homo once he disrespected my nigga TSpence.

[Aztecfan03]

yeah, i'm starting to think SA is the most likely outcome tbh

granted, there is a LOOOONG way to go before anything is actually hammered out, but there's been no movement in oakland for 4+ years now, and i doubt they're going to get anything done in SD either

i hope they go there. They deserve to get out of oakland. and i want chargers gone. And SD for raiders isn't likely. just one reason being 3 teams is too much for so cal(partly why chargers will be forced to be the rams red-headed step-child so the raiders don't go there)

[Aztecfan03]

Is Davis even being vilified? It just seems like this is an inevitable parting. Neither Davis nor Oakland can afford to build a new stadium. Their current stadium is falling apart. Short of selling the team to someone willing to dump a ton of money into a new place, I don't see how anyone can expect Davis to handle this differently.

And again, I don't think Austin is keen on getting an NFL team. The best thing about SA being so close is that THEY (y'all) can go ahead and pay for one, and we can just drive down whenever we feel like it. Like I don't want the Spurs in Austin. SA can be the sister city with all the cool stuff, and Austin can be the one with all the money.

Davis just couldn't get it done financially whereas spanos and kroenke both could have but were too busy gunning for LA. Davis shouldn't be villified here.

[Aztecfan03]

the raiders would kill the LA market when it comes to attracting fans. heck, even now when they travel to san diego, raider fans make up of over 50% of the fans in the stadium.

over 50% is exaggerating and that is one game. lot different than filling up 8 games.

[Aztecfan03]

The Raiders should move to San Antonio for three major reasons






1. San Antonio has a built-in stadium: The Rams and Chargers can move to Los Angeles tomorrow; they've got the Rose Bowl and the Coliseum to claim as temporary homes. San Antonio has a similar solution for Davis' team in the aging, but useful Alamodome. That stadium was good enough to house the Katrina-displaced Saints in 2005; it can keep the Raiders satisfied until a new home is built.










Pretty sure one of those (rose bowl i think) declined to let an nfl team play there. and 2005 was a long time ago.

[Aztecfan03]

I doubt Spanos moves this season. So, Davis will have this season in Oaktown to see how things shake out. He has his fingers crossed that San Diego buckles to the NFL-sanctioned opportunity afforded the Chargers to move to LA, and Spanos will decide to remain in San Diego.

Tbh, Jerry Jones' plan was a master stroke for the league. Grant the lone NFC contender the right to relocate and wait to see which AFC team elects to move. Thus, LA is guaranteed both an NFC and an AFC team.

moot point. if chargers and raiders both got LA, one would have switched to nfc with someone.

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

John Clayton thinks the Raiders wind up in San Diego after the Chargers take the deal with the Rams in LA.

[spurraider21]

over 50% is exaggerating and that is one game. lot different than filling up 8 games.
not an exaggeration whatsoever. in recent years raider fans constantly outnumber charger fans at qualcomm when they face off

[TheGreatYacht]

Don Harris :lmao

The reason SA is having doubts about spending money on Toyota field is because MLS is a dying sport (Have you seen the MLS Finals ratings? 0.4) and SA isn't getting an MLS team, yet. They're getting a second division team lol.

Dude thinks he's preaching too, is the funny part. Isn't that fat fuck a Cowboys fan?

[random21]

Don Harris :lmao

The reason SA is having doubts about spending money on Toyota field is because MLS is a dying sport (Have you seen the MLS Finals ratings? 0.4) and SA isn't getting an MLS team, yet. They're getting a second division team lol.

Dude thinks he's preaching too, is the funny part. Isn't that fat fuck a Cowboys fan?

Donny had a weak ego... Same guy who let Tspence shit all over him....

[cjw]

Don Harris :lmao

The reason SA is having doubts about spending money on Toyota field is because MLS is a dying sport (Have you seen the MLS Finals ratings? 0.4) and SA isn't getting an MLS team, yet. They're getting a second division team lol.

Dude thinks he's preaching too, is the funny part. Isn't that fat fuck a Cowboys fan?


MLS Finals were going head-to-head with the NFL (pretty stupid) and featured two crappy markets in Portland and Columbus.

Attendance is actually very strong in the MLS. Yes, there are only 17 gates per year plus playoffs / ancillary tournaments, but ten teams drew 20k+ per game (most stadiums are about that size) and the leaguewide average was 21.5k, which is just behind Serie A in Italy.

I do think they've overexpanded, but quality of play has increased substantially in the past several years. Games on TV used to be unwatchable, now they're simply unwatched. It's hard when you're competing for soccer eyeballs against European leagues now that all of them have major TV deals here in the U.S. That doesn't mean people aren't going to games - league is very healthy right now. More NHL teams are at risk of having to move than MLS ones.

[BatManu20]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eibbyIqojh8

[BatManu20]

Could Austin-San Antonio land an NFL stadium? Speculation resurfaces



By John Egan (http://austin.culturemap.com/author/john_egan/articles/)

1.13.16 | 10:29 am
21 Comments (http://austin.culturemap.com/news/city-life/01-13-16-austin-san-marcos-san-antonio-nfl-stadium-team-oakland-raiders/?utm_content=bufferca84d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer#disqus_thread)

http://media.culturemap.com/crop/ab/40/633x475/Super_Bowl_football_game_crowd_fans.jpgWhere would an NFL stadium likely land? Someplace in or near San Marcos. Photo by Staff Sgt. Kristi Machado (http://superbowl2013live.com/watch-super-bowl-2013-live-stream-megavideo/)






As talk has been rekindled about an NFL franchise relocating to San Antonio, speculation has surfaced about where that team might play. Some of that speculation has centered on what essentially is the center point between San Antonio and Austin: the fast-growing suburb of San Marcos.

Giving rise to that chatter is a story (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2606838-insider-buzz-raiders-owner-mark-davis-pursuing-san-antonio-move-if-la-bid-fails) from sports website Bleacher Report indicating that Mark Davis, owner of the Oakland Raiders — an NFL team shopping for a new home — has purchased land somewhere between San Antonio and Austin that purportedly could be the site of a new stadium for the Raiders. Bleacher Report’s Jason Cole says the Davis parcel “splits the difference” between San Antonio and Austin. Translation: Someplace in or near San Marcos is the likely spot.

In interviews with CultureMap, officials in San Marcos and Austin say they aren’t aware of such a land deal. Officials in San Antonio also seem to be in the dark, according to media reports.

Whatever the situation with the land, local officials say they’d be delighted to extend an invitation to an NFL team and explore construction of a stadium in our region.

Given its prime location along I-35 and between Austin and San Antonio, San Marcos would be a “natural play” for an NFL stadium, says Lance Aldridge, executive director of the Austin Sports Commission (http://www.austintexas.org/sports-commission/).

“I think it would be an exciting proposal,” Aldridge says of an NFL team and stadium in San Marcos. “We’d kill to have that.”

Adriana Cruz, president of the Greater San Marcos Partnership (http://www.greatersanmarcostx.com/), a regional economic development agency, says an NFL stadium in San Marcos would align with her nonprofit’s stated goal of accommodating “destination attractions,” such as a major-league sports venue or an amusement park. She also says a stadium would complement San Marcos’ various amenities, particularly the two outlet malls, which collectively draw about 14 million visitors a year.
“Could we be home to a major stadium? Absolutely,” Cruz says.

An NFL stadium in San Marcos is “certainly something that makes a lot of sense — a lot of logistical sense, a lot of economic sense,” she says.

San Marcos sits about 30 miles south of Austin, the 11th largest city in the U.S., and about 40 miles north of San Antonio, the seventh largest city in the U.S. The Austin-San Antonio region is home to more than 4.3 million residents but just one major-league team: the NBA’s San Antonio Spurs. Experts say either the San Antonio metro area or the Austin metro area alone could support an NFL team, but situating an NFL stadium where those areas overlap undoubtedly would fortify the fan base.

For now, it’s impossible to say precisely how much land Davis might have purchased between Austin and San Antonio. But it is safe to say that a stadium project would require dozens of acres. As a means of comparison, U.S. Bank Stadium, under construction as the new home of the NFL’s Minnesota Vikings, will stand on a 38-acre site.

Of course, an NFL stadium in the Austin-San Antonio corridor would come with a hefty price tag: likely more than $1 billion. The NFL’s newest venue — Levi’s Stadium, home of the San Francisco 49ers — cost close to $1.3 billion. Next month, Levi’s Stadium will host Super Bowl 50.

As officials in our region salivate over the possibility of hosting an NFL team, the fate of the Oakland Raiders remains up in the air. The Raiders had sought to move to Los Angeles, but that proposal has been scrapped, and Davis now suggests that he’s not inclined to keep his team in Oakland. NFL owners approved the St. Louis Rams' move to a planned stadium in Los Angeles and gave the San Diego Chargers an option to join the Rams in LA a year later.

Amid the Raiders-Chargers-Rams drama and the buzz about the Oakland team possibly packing up for Texas, Aldridge cautions that the owners of the Lone Star State’s two NFL teams — the Dallas Cowboys and the Houston Texans — might balk at the idea, as a third team could cannibalize their fan bases. Furthermore, he says, Davis merely could be dangling a hypothetical move to Texas as a bargaining chip with Oakland.

“I can’t say it can’t be done,” Aldridge says of an NFL presence in the Austin-San Antonio corridor, “but there are a lot of challenges.”


http://austin.culturemap.com/news/city-life/01-13-16-austin-san-marcos-san-antonio-nfl-stadium-team-oakland-raiders/?utm_content=bufferca84d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

[BD24]

I will be a bit pissed if they bring a team here and put the stadium in fucking San Marcos.

[BatManu20]

Sherrington: Time for Jerry Jones to allow Raiders to move to San Antonio


http://sportsdaydfw.imgix.net/1452896227-cowraid.jpg?q=50&auto=format&w=800Michael Ainsworth / DMN
Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones greets Oakland Raider owner Mark Davis (right) during their afternoon practice in Oxnard, CA, on Aug 12, 2014. (Michael Ainsworth/The Dallas Morning News)


By Kevin Sherrington (http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/author/kevin-sherrington), Staff Columnist Contact Kevin Sherringtonon Twitter:@KSherringtonDMN (https://twitter.com/KSherringtonDMN)

Jerry Jones helped clear the way for Los Angeles to get another NFL team, if not two.

Now he needs to do the same favor for San Antonio.

Can you see the Raiders in the Alamo City?

Not without Jerry's say-so, and it's time he did.

The possibilities have been discussed before, and it's always been dismissed because the NFL's most powerful man doesn't want any financial competition. Jerry thought reporters were joking when they asked him what he thought of Mark Davis, the Raiders owner, meeting with San Antonio officials in 2014. He estimated then that San Antonio is "97, 98, 99 percent Cowboys fans," a conservative guess, at that.

Bob McNair guesses that half of San Antonio's NFL fans pull for his Texans, but the chairman of the finance committee, which must approve any relocation, has said he wouldn't necessarily oppose a third team in the Lone Star State.

Problem is, Jerry probably likes his money more than McNair. Or Donald Trump.

As for whether San Antonio has the money to pull it off, Red McCombs didn't have much luck getting the football coach he wanted at Texas, but he's not just sitting around on his billion or so, either.

He told the ESPN affiliate in San Antonio he's lined up corporate sponsors. He'd even be willing to buy part of the team, if that's what Davis wants.

And what about the relocation fee? The Rams must pay $550 million to the rest of the owners for trading St. Louis for LA. It's also a sliding scale. A move to San Antonio shouldn't cost nearly as much because revenue streams aren't as lucrative in South Texas as in Southern California.

On the other hand, think what another NFL team could do for the South Texas economy, not to mention the state in general.

NFL owners have already said they'd contribute $100 million to help fund a new stadium in Oakland, which still leaves them, oh, about $300 million short. Davis, a native Californian who reportedly owns land around San Antonio, may have no desire to leave the Bay Area. But at some point he has to understand he's not getting what he wants in California, either. Ask Billy Beane how stadium talks are going for the A's.

All of it is moot, though, if Jerry doesn't put aside his portfolio. It's not enough that San Antonio fans get to pull for the Cowboys from their couches. If it can afford it, the city deserves another pro team.

Houston's Roy Hofheinz kept Major League Baseball out of North Texas for longer than most old timers here care to remember. Jerry doesn't need a similar designation in his obituary.

Besides, we could always use another rivalry.

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2016/01/15/sherrington-time-jerry-jones-allow-raiders-go-san-antonio

[BatManu20]

This would be like the Dodgers moving from LA to San Fran. Just ain't right.

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[T Park]

Three teams in Southern California within 100 miles? No way.

[baseline bum]

This would be like the Dodgers moving from LA to San Fran. Just ain't right.

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That would be disappointing as hell.

[lmbebo]

That would be disappointing as hell.

Very much so ...

Getting tired of the NFL and its $hitting on SA.

[BatManu20]

Three teams in Southern California within 100 miles? No way.

That's exactly why part of me thinks there's zero chance that happens. But Mark Davis seems desperate to keep the franchise in California so who knows.

[spurraider21]

i dont get why people are just assuming they're gna go to SD. if the chargers couldn't get a stadium deal done, why do people think the raiders will be able to?

dont get me wrong, i'd welcome the move, and i'd probably get season tickets if they did

[Aztecfan03]

i dont get why people are just assuming they're gna go to SD. if the chargers couldn't get a stadium deal done, why do people think the raiders will be able to?

dont get me wrong, i'd welcome the move, and i'd probably get season tickets if they did

The chargers haven't wanted a stadium deal in san diego.

[exstatic]

If they put the stadium in San Marcos, they might as well stay in CA.

[Mugen]

:lol my nigga playing everybody once again tbh...

https://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/markdavis1xoburkolhqm.jpg

[sasaint]

If they put the stadium in San Marcos, they might as well stay in CA.

EXACTLY!

[cjw]

Onto the Jaguars... oh wait, have to fight with London for them

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

This would be like the Dodgers moving from LA to San Fran. Just ain't right.

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I saw the LA move as viable. This no. What people fail to realize is that it will cost 500 million + more to build the same stadium in SD as SA. Land prices are like 3X higher in Cali. Plus the cost of labor, materials, gas, electricity, etc. is more expensive. There is a reason why the City of SD doesn't want to build a new stadium.

Raiders are 2nd to last in value and dead last in Net profit and 2nd to last in Revenues. Even the Texans had 115 mil in PROFIT last year. And they are valued at 2.5 bn, 1 bn more than both the Chargers and Raiders.

Moving to SA where a new stadium deal is a sure thing, the Raiders value should easily top 2 bn in a couple seasons.

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mlm45fljdi/31-oakland-raiders/

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mlm45fljdi/22-san-diego-chargers/

[Obstructed_View]

If they put the stadium in San Marcos, they might as well stay in CA.

Why? It's an hour drive from Plano to Arlington, and people don't mind doing it 8 times a year. South Texas isn't getting an NFL team without Austin's money, so it seems logical. San Antonio needs to import a lot of better paying jobs or triple in size before they can start dictating where they want their NFL team to go.

And frankly, San Antonio's track record ain't great considering AT&T was supposed to stir economic growth and didn't.

[BatManu20]

Get to know the Texas town that's 'a natural fit' to host the Raiders


The San Antonio Raiders would be wise to set up their operation to the north of the major Texas city.

Jerome Miron / USA TODAY Sports


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By Nick ToneyJan 18, 2016 at 9:58a ET

Oakland Raiders (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/oakland-raiders-team) owner Mark Davis knows there's a welcoming market waiting for his team in San Antonio.

He might also know there's a perfect market waiting for him about 50 miles to the northeast. Perhaps no other Texas town is as uniquely positioned as San Marcos is to provide a home beyond the Alamodome for an NFL franchise.

Adriana Cruz, president of the Greater San Marcos Partnership, via Culture Map Austin (http://austin.culturemap.com/news/city-life/01-13-16-austin-san-marcos-san-antonio-nfl-stadium-team-oakland-raiders/):




“Could we be home to a major stadium? Absolutely. (It's) certainly something that makes a lot of sense -- a lot of logistical sense, a lot of economic sense."




Cruz is correct; the town of about 60,000 is a strategic football market. To the north lies Austin, another football-centric town without a single pro sports team. To the south, San Antonio, which could house Davis' team while a stadium gets built. And one highway -- 1-35 -- connects the two.

That stadium would go up in one of America's blossoming areas. San Marcos was named the fastest-growing U.S. city by the U.S. census bureau in 2013 and 2014. Its major draw? Two shopping outlets which attract over 14 million per year.

The Raiders would provide a third huge attraction. And more importantly, it sounds like they'd get the new stadium they've wanted since Davis' father ran the team.

Said Lance Aldridge, executive director of the Austin Sports Commission:




“I think it would be an exciting proposal. We’d kill to have that.”









http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/texas-oakland-raiders-san-antonio-relocation-mark-davis-red-mccombs-stadium-011816

[BatManu20]

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[raybies]

Well that's that

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[Obstructed_View]

Jerry Jones still has a dick and two fingers firmly in the ass of San Antonio.

[BatManu20]

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[raybies]

Back to rooting for MLSinSA!

[Vito Corleone]

San Antonio by itself is not a very appealing option for an NFL owner, but a stadium around New Braunfels that would attract both Austin fans and San Antonio fans is a strong possibility.

Keep this in mind, no one thinks of San Antonio as a single market anymore. With the growth in the I-35 corridor San Antonio and Austin are now considered one media market and that jumps the two to around the 14th biggest market in the United States.

Now that is definitely worthy of an NFL franchise. They can still be called the San Antonio Raiders, The Giants played in New Jersey for how many years while still being called the NY Giants. If I'm the Raiders owner I would push for a new stadium right in between New Braunfels and San Marcos then I would start my own TV network that services both Austin and San Antonio.

That is about the only way I see an NFL franchise coming to this area and making it.

[BatManu20]

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[DPG21920]

BRB buying Los Angeles Chargers domain name.

[raybies]

BRB buying Los Angeles Chargers domain name.

Lmao!!

[UZER]

As much as Don Harris is a goon. He was 100% right. An NFL team is not coming to SA as long as Jerry is in Dallas.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.

[raybies]

I admit I drank the kool aide

[benefactor]

poor Glen

[BatManu20]

If San Antonio ever gets an opportunity to start an expansion franchise, I hope they'd go back with this.

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[exstatic]

Why? It's an hour drive from Plano to Arlington, and people don't mind doing it 8 times a year. South Texas isn't getting an NFL team without Austin's money, so it seems logical. San Antonio needs to import a lot of better paying jobs or triple in size before they can start dictating where they want their NFL team to go.

And frankly, San Antonio's track record ain't great considering AT&T was supposed to stir economic growth and didn't.

Austinites may drive down, but I doubt many San Antonians will drive up. An hour one way is a long way to go.

[BD24]

Austinites may drive down, but I doubt many San Antonians will drive up. An hour one way is a long way to go.
Agreed. And to obstructed's point of AT&T not generating revenue it is because its in a shit location. A San Marcos location isn't going to generate revenue for San Antonio.

[TheGreatYacht]

Don Harris is a faggot

[dbestpro]

As much as Don Harris is a goon. He was 100% right. An NFL team is not coming to SA as long as Jerry is in Dallas.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.

Cowboy fans are anti San Antonio. The good news is there are less of them these days.

[noles1983]

annoying as fuck cities like cleveland and jacksonville can get a team but we are constantly fucked over here in SA

[BD24]

annoying as fuck cities like cleveland and jacksonville can get a team but we are constantly fucked over here in SA
This! Seriously Jacksonville, Tampa, and other shit cities can get a team and we can't. Horse shit

[Chinook]

Austinites may drive down, but I doubt many San Antonians will drive up. An hour one way is a long way to go.

I don't necessarily agree that putting the stadium in SM is a good idea, but I do think it's demonstrably disingenuous to believe that any Texan city wouldn't drive for an hour for football a few times a year. This is especially true in a world where SA and Austin are almost considered the same city. And the idea would be for the rail system to go by a stadium anyway, so that would reduce a lot of traffic both ways.


Agreed. And to obstructed's point of AT&T not generating revenue it is because its in a shit location. A San Marcos location isn't going to generate revenue for San Antonio.

I mean, SM would be coughing up the public funding for an SM stadium, just like Santa Clara did for the new 9ers stadium. So it's really about what McCombs, Holt and the other investors would be willing to pay for. If they are willing to foot enough of the bill for the City of SM to make up the rest (along with naming, PSLs and those things), then the Raiders wouldn't owe SA any more than they would the other Cen-Tex and South Texas cities.

[random21]

Don Harris is a faggot

[cd98]

If San Antonio ever gets an opportunity to start an expansion franchise, I hope they'd go back with this.

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I would love if SA got an NFL team and renamed them the "Gunslingers." In this day and age, the country would explode.

[ChumpDumper]

Austinites may drive down, but I doubt many San Antonians will drive up. An hour one way is a long way to go.Eh, it's a Sunday drive.


Agreed. And to obstructed's point of AT&T not generating revenue it is because its in a shit location. A San Marcos location isn't going to generate revenue for San Antonio.No football stadium is going to be a moneymaker for anyone but the team owner. San Antonio is better off letting someone else foot the bill.

[Obstructed_View]

Austinites may drive down, but I doubt many San Antonians will drive up. An hour one way is a long way to go.

If they can't be bothered to drive 30 minutes to see a football game 8 times a year, then they clearly aren't ready for an NFL franchise.

[BD24]

If they can't be bothered to drive 30 minutes to see a football game 8 times a year, then they clearly aren't ready for an NFL franchise.
I don't know where u live, but San Marcos is far more than 30 minutes from SA. And that's even if your in the NE side of town. Say your on the west side of town and your looking at well over an hour

[sasaint]

I don't know where u live, but San Marcos is far more than 30 minutes from SA. And that's even if your in the NE side of town. Say your on the west side of town and your looking at well over an hour

It's not a good location, IMHO. It really amounts to chasing fools gold in Austin, sacrificing a great deal of convenience for a San Antonio market that seems far more interested in landing an NFL franchise. Are the Austin media and civic leaders acknowledging the Raiders' proposed relocation at all? I say again, IMHO the good folks of Austin might become interested in a local NFL team if the Longhorns abandoned football. It is my impression that beyond the Longhorns, the Cowboys are entrenched, and any local NFL transplant would be no more than a passing novelty - if that. Do people in Austin know (or care) that the most amazing pro sports dynasty of the modern era plays basketball in San Antonio?

[ChumpDumper]

Don't get all parochial and insecure. Austin has money; the NFL isn't going to move into the area without trying to get that money. It would be really stupid if they didn't.

[PublicOption]

We have to ignore the Cowboys once and for all.........FUCK DALLAS!

[Obstructed_View]

I don't know where u live, but San Marcos is far more than 30 minutes from SA. And that's even if your in the NE side of town. Say your on the west side of town and your looking at well over an hour

I live in DFW, and it's a 45 minute drive to Cowboys Stadium with no traffic. With the traffic in Houston, it's probably at least an hour drive from almost every suburb to get to NRG. Kyle Field manages to get 65000 people, many of whom drive an hour or more to commute seven times a year. Again, if this is what San Antonio people are whining about, then they aren't going to support an NFL team. I'm sorry, but that's the reality.

[benefactor]

With the traffic in Houston, it's probably at least an hour drive from almost every suburb to get to NRG.
This was my first thought. Houston has the worst traffic in the state but they sell their stadium out every week, which on the south side of town near the ghetto. All of Houston basically has to travel through the city to go see a game...and you are telling me that people in SA don't want to make a quick trip up 35? Hell...all the money is on the north side anyway. It's pretty much a straight shot there and back.

[gameFACE]

As much as I'd prefer a stadium in downtown SA I would definitely drive up I35 a few times a year for a game. I lived in Houston for a while, too. My brother lives in Garland and the trip from there to AT&T stadium is a journey. All you lazy ass SA people need to put the remote down and drive up. Don't be so small town for fuck's sake. Raiders aren't coming anyway so you have time to reflect and diet.

[houston spurs fan]

Bob McNair and Jerry Jones will never let this happen. They both have enough votes to block a move. Let's move on....

[houston spurs fan]

This was my first thought. Houston has the worst traffic in the state but they sell their stadium out every week, which on the south side of town near the ghetto. All of Houston basically has to travel through the city to go see a game...and you are telling me that people in SA don't want to make a quick trip up 35? Hell...all the money is on the north side anyway. It's pretty much a straight shot there and back.
A football game is also a whole day event. Tailgating is king in H-Town and I think it would be in SA too. You get up early and cars and trailers come from all over the place. Eat, drink, watch the game and then party until traffic thins out...Traffic has never deterred people, we are used to it anyways

[K...]

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Haha, that's farther along than any San Marcos proposal. Might as well sell out to Vegas after Fan duel bought the league's overt support.

[Vito Corleone]

Again, There isn't a better opportunity for a NFL franchise than to put in between San Antonio and Austin. Separate they are small markets, together they are the 14th largest market in the US. And both cities are growing like wildfire. Within 10 years together they will be a top 10 market.

F Jerry Jones and McNair we need to take control of our market and stop sucking off Houston and Dallas.

[dbestpro]

Davis could bring his team to San Antonio in a temporary move, and simply never leave.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Again, There isn't a better opportunity for a NFL franchise than to put in between San Antonio and Austin. Separate they are small markets, together they are the 14th largest market in the US. And both cities are growing like wildfire. Within 10 years together they will be a top 10 market.

F Jerry Jones and McNair we need to take control of our market and stop sucking off Houston and Dallas.
hell, within 10 years SA/Austin will be expanded to being one giant megalopolis with San Marcos as the isthmus and I-35 through that stretch will be a dollar a mile

[T Park]

Bob McNair and Jerry Jones will never let this happen. They both have enough votes to block a move. Let's move on....

Bob McNair has already voiced support for a San Antonio NFL franchise. Jerry Jones lost his leverage by pushing the Rams to LA to benefit his marketing company in LA.

[T Park]

That's exactly why part of me thinks there's zero chance that happens. But Mark Davis seems desperate to keep the franchise in California so who knows.

His options in CA are, Oakland, and moving in with the 49ers if they're willing to have him.

Thats it.

[BatManu20]

I think there's zero chance this happens, but Vegas is the Raiders' new flavor of the week.

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[Rain Man]

His options in CA are, Oakland, and moving in with the 49ers if they're willing to have him.

Thats it.

This is truth.

[BatManu20]

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[K...]

The one thing with Vegas is Sheldon Adelelson money. There's no real deep pocket sucker here with his punch .I'd imagine Sheldon would be as a powerful as Jerry in the league.

You can talk about politics between owners all day, but the number one thing Davis needs is $$$$$$. San Antonio is a great market but we aren't necessarily willing to give a rich man a $1 billion bailout. Vegas will.

The small size is not a concern since tv $ is tv$ and the raiders could get plenty of tourist ticket sales if it were downtown Vegas.


And as I said, The post fanduel nfl can't with a straight face say no to gambling. Just too cute.

[jon123spurs]

Just like that it's gone. Looks like the LA Raiders.


SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) tweeted at 5:02 PM on Fri, Jan 29, 2016:
UPDATE: Chargers owner Dean Spanos announces the team will stay in San Diego for the 2016 season and hopes for a long term stay.
(https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/693207687018975232?s=03)

[FkLA]

Just like that it's gone. Looks like the LA Raiders.


SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) tweeted at 5:02 PM on Fri, Jan 29, 2016:
UPDATE: Chargers owner Dean Spanos announces the team will stay in San Diego for the 2016 season and hopes for a long term stay.
(https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/693207687018975232?s=03)

Actually they've reached an initial agreement with the Rams to share the new stadium, but will stay in SD for 2016. Once the stadium is built they're headed to LA.

[Ditty]

Raiders are not going to LA or Vegas :lol it's 70% Oakland/ 30% San Antonio imo

[Xevious]

I don't know where u live, but San Marcos is far more than 30 minutes from SA. And that's even if your in the NE side of town. Say your on the west side of town and your looking at well over an hour
Dont think anybody's concerned about some west side cholo not being able to ride the via to the game. The Austin and north San Antonio money is what they're after. And with all the growth in those areas and along 35, they'd be stupid not to cash in on it. It's going to be one massive metropolis in a few years anyway. Plus there isn't enough real estate in the downtown area to support a modern NFL stadium. Even if they came up with something, they'd be in the same situation the AT&T is in... land locked by ghetto with no convenient way in or out.

[ChumpDumper]

The one thing with Vegas is Sheldon Adelelson money. There's no real deep pocket sucker here with his punch .I'd imagine Sheldon would be as a powerful as Jerry in the league.

You can talk about politics between owners all day, but the number one thing Davis needs is $$$$$$. San Antonio is a great market but we aren't necessarily willing to give a rich man a $1 billion bailout. Vegas will.

The small size is not a concern since tv $ is tv$ and the raiders could get plenty of tourist ticket sales if it were downtown Vegas.


And as I said, The post fanduel nfl can't with a straight face say no to gambling. Just too cute.UNLV is about a mile east of the southern strip. Nowhere near downtown, but near the airport and a few big resorts and easy to get to from everywhere else. I don't know why UNLV never had an on-campus stadium in the first place. Their current home is in the middle of nowhere.

[T Park]

Raiders are not going to LA or Vegas :lol it's 70% Oakland/ 30% San Antonio imo

agree with his. the more Oakland relents on public money and land, the better San Antonio's chances are.

[spurraider21]

Oakland isn't happening unless Davis sells the team to somebody who is going to use his own money to build a stadium in Oakland

[BatManu20]

Oakland for for at least one more year, as most predicted.

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[T Park]

If SA's city leaders were smart, which they're not, they'd go to Davis and say in the time we negotiate a new stadium, you can use the Alamodome rent free.

He'd be there the day after the final home game in Oakland.

[ChumpDumper]

Eh, SA's city leaders would be smart to sit this one out.

[kobyz]

Xmas needs to comeback posting in this site..,

[T Park]

Eh, SA's city leaders would be smart to sit this one out.



Yeah cause NFL teams grow on trees

[Twisted_Dawg]

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/14752649/the-real-story-nfl-owners-battle-bring-football-back-los-angeles.

Very good read on the power plays that went on in deciding the LA teams, and the power of Jerry Jones. After seeing Jerry's power, I doubt SA ever gets a team while he is alive.

[BillMc]

I think there's zero chance this happens, but Vegas is the Raiders' new flavor of the week.

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Man I grew up in Vegas, still have family there. People there are hungry for a team, but...but...I hate the Raiders, could never root for them.

Hopefully, they keep the Runnin' Rebels as the only pro team in Vegas.

[Emperor]

Man I grew up in Vegas, still have family there. People there are hungry for a team, but...but...I hate the Raiders, could never root for them.

Hopefully, they keep the Runnin' Rebels as the only pro team in Vegas.

Currently reside in Vegas. Yes we are ready for them.

[K...]

Yeah cause NFL teams grow on trees

No bc NFL teams suck money we should spend on roads/schools etc

No bc Marc Davis is the wrong owner for the league.

I am split on it. I hate the NFL for the way they treat cities. But it's also the NFL. Nothing else comes close to it.

[Chinook]

No bc NFL teams suck money we should spend on roads/schools etc

No bc Marc Davis is the wrong owner for the league.

I am split on it. I hate the NFL for the way they treat cities. But it's also the NFL. Nothing else comes close to it.

That's why you get the stadium in another city nearby. They absorb the cost; you get the benefit. That's the reason why I've never wanted a pro team in Austin -- there's a perfectly good SA just an hour-and-a-half away. If SM is really trying to step up and have a stadium there, then that'll be their problem.

[T Park]

No bc NFL teams suck money we should spend on roads/schools etc

No bc Marc Davis is the wrong owner for the league.

I am split on it. I hate the NFL for the way they treat cities. But it's also the NFL. Nothing else comes close to it.


We spend enough money on schools and roads gmafb. Save that horse shit for someone else.

[BatManu20]

Update on potential MLS franchise to SA.

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[T Park]

Yeah not one thing is going to change. mrs Holt's attitude pretty much is "let Pych and others who know what to do, do it." Just like Mr Holt has. Should be zero worries about anything going forward.

[Ditty]

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/topic/pro-sports-expansion

Oakland Raiders (http://www.bizjournals.com/profiles/company/us/ca/alameda/oakland_raiders/3268986) owner Mark Davis (http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/search/results?q=Mark%20Davis), who still has no stadium deal in the Bay Area, indicated to a group of NFL reporters covering the league’s spring meetings in Boca Raton, Florida, that he has not yet ruled out San Antonio as a possible landing spot for his franchise.
While Davis is intrigued with the possibility of relocating his team to Las Vegas, he made it clear San Antonio is still in the hunt.

Davis said San Antonio is “on the radar right now,” the New York Times (http://www.bizjournals.com/profiles/company/us/ny/new_york/the_new_york_times_company/117863) reported (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/23/sports/raiders-owner-looks-to-las-vegas-as-possible-new-home.html?_r=1).
A spokesperson for the Raiders said the team had no comment.
But former Mayor Henry Cisneros (http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/search/results?q=Henry%20Cisneros), who has led relocation talks with Raiders executives for roughly 20 months, confirmed that Davis indeed remains interested in San Antonio.

“We are still on the radar screen,” he told me. “We are keeping the channels of communication open.”
Davis inked a one-year lease extension to remain at the aging O.co Coliseum next season. The team has an option to stay longer, but the Raiders owner has grown frustrated with Bay Area leaders, who have so far been unable to propose a stadium plan acceptable to him.
Davis has visited with leaders in Las Vegas about moving into a proposed new domed stadium in that city. But while he may see bright lights and big money in Sin City, NFL officials may ultimately have a difficult time approving a team playing in a gambling mecca.
The Raiders could join the Rams in Greater Los Angeles if the San Diego Chargers (http://www.bizjournals.com/profiles/company/us/ca/san_diego/san_diego_chargers_football_co/27448) pass on an opportunity to share a new stadium in Inglewood, California, with the former St. Louis franchise.

The Raiders could also look to move to San Diego if the Chargers do bolt for the No. 2 media market.
One thing Davis reiterated in Florida is that he does not want to move his team to St. Louis, insisting that market would not be the best fit for the Raiders.
Chatter about the Raiders possibly moving to San Antonio had subsided after the team agreed to extend its stay in Oakland. In recent months, officials with the city of San Antonio and Bexar County have turned their attention to the pursuit of Major League Soccer and a possible downtown ballpark.

But Cisneros said efforts to land the Raiders continue.

[T Park]

Yeah possible downtown ballpark for an F'ing AAA team.

Stop thinking small San Antonio you lazy fucks

[Blake]

Lol "San Antonio is on the radar"

The ol leverage card

[dbestpro]

If the money is on the table then the Raiders are going to Vegas. Money is all that matters to most owners.

[baseline bum]

Yeah possible downtown ballpark for an F'ing AAA team.

Stop thinking small San Antonio you lazy fucks

Blech, AAA sucks. I don't think anyone should read anything bad into the Raiders signing that one year lease, as soon as the Chargers gave San Diego another year you knew the Raiders were going to do this. No way they're not going to LA if the Chargers stay in SD. Thankfully I can't see the Chargers not finding a way to get into LA, so I think we're still very much in play.

[PopTheGOAT]

This just isn't happening tbh. Maybe down the road but it won't be these raiders. I wish it would, but it's pretty clear they're just using SA

[Blake]

Excellent thread.

I wonder how op is doing these days.

[FkLA]

Excellent thread.

I wonder how op is doing these days.

Theres still a chance with the Las Vegas stadium deal falling apart. :cry

[RD2191]

Fuck the Raiders. They should've come to San Antonio.

[Blake]

Theres still a chance with the Las Vegas stadium deal falling apart. :cry

Lol

[cjw]

I don't understand the Vegas thing for football. Hockey (or basketball) make sense where you only need to bring in 18,000 or so and certain fans will travel to see their team play and make a bigger trip out of it in the winter. Or another attraction for all those conventions.

NFL is a totally different animal and I find it hard to think that city could support 70k eight times a year. NFL and the financiers may see the writing on the wall.

[Ditty]

I still believe that San Antonio won't get a NFL team until Jerry Jones is gone, but supposedly Jason Cole from Bleacher Report believe things are going to start brewing again with the Raiders coming to SA...

[Blake]

I still believe that San Antonio won't get a NFL team until Jerry Jones is gone, but supposedly Jason Cole from Bleacher Report believe things are going to start brewing again with the Raiders coming to SA...

SA getting used and abused

[wildbill2u]

Well at least we have a mostly empty stadium with no parking to offer to them. I wish we could have named it the Henry Cisneros Memorial Boondoggle Stadium.

RE: Las Vegas/ My son was part of a contingent of mostly Libertairans out there who opposed the stadium on the grounds that the county and city would be on the hook for a lot of costs without getting ANYTHING in return, but the city council was all for it and the voters approved the bonds. I'm surprised that every investor pulled out but there has to be some underlying reason that wasn't disclosed.

[BatManu20]

This whole thing is a mess.

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[Maddog]

Well at least we have a mostly empty stadium with no parking to offer to them. I wish we could have named it the Henry Cisneros Memorial Boondoggle Stadium.

RE: Las Vegas/ My son was part of a contingent of mostly Libertairans out there who opposed the stadium on the grounds that the county and city would be on the hook for a lot of costs without getting ANYTHING in return, but the city council was all for it and the voters approved the bonds. I'm surprised that every investor pulled out but there has to be some underlying reason that wasn't disclosed.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2016/02/03/st_louis_is_still_deep_in_debt_for_the_rams_old_st adium.html