The Ferguson Indictment (on Justice) [Archive] - Page 4

TheSanityAnnex

12-24-2014, 12:15 PM

Belmar said the 18-year-old had a considerable criminal record in the less than two years since he turned 17, with three assault charges, armed robbery, armed criminal action and unlawful use of a weapon

:cry another saint wrongfully killed by police after pointing a firearm at them :cry

And the protesters seem to be getting stupider and stupider

"Some protesters questioned why the officer couldn't use pepper spray or a stun gun."

"I understand police officers have a job and have an obligation to go home to their families at the end of the night," he said. "But do you have to treat every situation with lethal force? ... It's not a racial issue, or black or white. It's wrong or right."

Yes you fucking idiot you respond with lethal force when someone points a gun at you.

CosmicCowboy

12-24-2014, 01:10 PM

The comments on the articles are just amazing...Sure are some ignorant fucks out there...

From all the facts, black or white this stupid asshole was just begging to get shot by the Popo. The fact that blacks knee jerk defend him just because he was black is fucking sad.

Cue Kool and Trill calling me a racist.

baseline bum

12-24-2014, 02:06 PM

Yes you fucking idiot you respond with lethal force when someone points a gun at you.

:cry But why didn't he shoot the gun out his hand? :cry

Chomag

12-25-2014, 04:19 PM

I dun understand, why couldn't the cop just have jumped out do a backflip spin kick and disarmed him like ninja style!?!

Yes I actually saw a similar comment like this in a news forum ear;ier and they were being serious. People watch to much TV Christ...

MultiTroll

12-26-2014, 03:45 AM

Video purporting to show the deceased pointing a handgun at the officer moments before he was shot.

15vqUf6H-po

It's grainy and hard to discern but, it doesn't look like his finger.
Am i missing something?
At what time frame does the coon pull the gun and the officer defend?

Yonivore

12-26-2014, 11:10 AM

Am i missing something?
At what time frame does the coon pull the gun and the officer defend?
Yeah, you're missing something.

SnakeBoy

12-26-2014, 05:56 PM

Am i missing something?
At what time frame does the coon pull the gun and the officer defend?

At the very end. The video ends just before the cop pulls the trigger but you see the guy start to walk away from the officer then turn around and raise his arm pointing something towards him. Watch it fullscreen.

HI-FI

12-27-2014, 12:18 AM

Maybe he was just asking the cop to smell his finger. Smell My Finger! Don't Shoot!
:lol

TheSanityAnnex

12-27-2014, 11:52 AM

http://i.imgur.com/IwQ3eHG.png

http://i.imgur.com/ctBEllz.png

wow

MultiTroll

12-27-2014, 02:27 PM

At the very end. The video ends just before the cop pulls the trigger but you see the guy start to walk away from the officer then turn around and raise his arm pointing something towards him. Watch it fullscreen.WTF. So in aiming it at the cop but not pulling the trigger he may have thought he was going to threaten the cop and (in his mind) the cop would not react? :downspin:

CosmicCowboy

12-27-2014, 03:09 PM

So what exactly are these protests trying to accomplish?

A lot of the quotes seem to be calling for even more expanded affirmative action.

I don't see how that isn't racist.

They are essentially saying that blacks and minorities are handicapped and can't compete on an even playing field.

Personally, I don't see it as a skin color thing. Maybe some of you guys do but I think it's bigger than that. Since the 60's we have created a self perpetuating multi-ethnic Great American Ghetto fueled by well meaning subsidies. It's like a genetic ambition killing disease passed down from generation to generation.

Feel free to discuss :lol

FuzzyLumpkins

12-27-2014, 03:52 PM

spurraider21

12-27-2014, 04:41 PM

Reform to the conflict of interest in investigations regarding police. Repeal of the police bill of rights.

Those ghettos existed before the 1960s, ignoramus.
that might be what some people on this forum are advocating, but much of the protestors are still going with the "hands up dont shoot" banter tbh

CosmicCowboy

12-27-2014, 05:30 PM

that might be what some people on this forum are advocating, but much of the protestors are still going with the "hands up dont shoot" banter tbh

Plus the even larger" blacks don't have a chance against the system" message. I have heard that over and over.

And no, Fuzzy, the hopeless welfare ghettos did not exist in the US before the 60's. There was clearly voluntary or involuntary geographic segregation by race and/or immigrant origin and there has always been relative poverty in all races and communities but each had their own vibrant communities that supported entrepreneurship and upward mobility.

SupremeGuy

12-27-2014, 11:57 PM

FuzzyLumpkins

12-28-2014, 12:58 AM

Plus the even larger" blacks don't have a chance against the system" message. I have heard that over and over.

And no, Fuzzy, the hopeless welfare ghettos did not exist in the US before the 60's. There was clearly voluntary or involuntary geographic segregation by race and/or immigrant origin and there has always been relative poverty in all races and communities but each had their own vibrant communities that supported entrepreneurship and upward mobility.

And exactly who have you heard this from? I know where you get your news from by this point but lets go ahead and hear it from yourself. I'm betting you have not spoken to a single protester on your own and at best have a Fox or similar news source's account as basis.

Further, the inner city racially/ethnically segregated urban squalor goes back to the 19th century. Specifically, with black folks immediately leading up to and following the civil war to be exact. The irish, italian, asian, etc immigrants also saw their own ghettos. You are attributing cause to something that existed beforehand. The difference that subsidization produced was electricity and running water. You are familiar with the slums in Mexico and the third world? That is what slums were like in the industrial era up into the new deal.

:lol vibrant communities. naive old man. as if there are not any vibrant minority communities now.

The policy does not create welfare cycles. If not for subsidized housing we would end up like the third world again. Social mobility is much more difficult when there is no running water and waste disposal. Not to mention disease and the way things were prior to the Great Society in general. You get your medicare I guess that is good though, eh?

Now lets look at African social mobility following LBJ's Great Society and the beginning of the 'welfare state' and the scourge of the free rider as Hamiltonians are fond of pretending.

After 50 years, legal segregation is a distant memory, and race in America is not the unbridgeable chasm it once was. The country has a black president. The sort of comity that King evoked, in which the descendants of slaves and of slave owners “sit down together at the table of brotherhood”, can be found in many places, including the Deep South. The rate of marriage between blacks and whites is rising.

But America has not entered—as many hoped it would at the time of Barack Obama’s election—a “post-racial” phase. Blacks remain likelier than whites to lack jobs, be poor, get arrested and serve time in prison. Residential segregation of blacks from other races is declining, but still persists. After years of narrowing, the gap between black and white median income widened from 2000 and 2011, and the gap in household wealth is enormous. The work of the civil-rights era, it would seem, is not yet done. But the work has changed, and now it falls to different hands. The responsibility for ending segregation and repealing racist laws lay mainly with the government. Government’s role in narrowing the racial gaps that persist, though, is smaller and less clear.

http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21584003-his-i-have-dream-speech-martin-luther-king-threw-out-challenge-america-how-has-it

To me that indicates that following the application of the principles you are espousing here, in the Contract with America and the policies of Bush the lesser, social mobility out of your so called 'hopeless welfare ghettos' went down.

Now go vote in another tax break and enjoy your medicare, old man.

FuzzyLumpkins

12-28-2014, 01:23 AM

Racist :cry

The White devil is holding them down. Just look at cops, why are they mostly White? Racism!

I would say it is more of a class thing than a race thing. Wealthy minorities tend to be economic conservatives. OTOH though, a lot of poor and middle class white people like to pretend that policies that benefit the wealthy are in their best interest and wave their hands at race as basis for it. I have you pegged as one.

SupremeGuy

12-28-2014, 03:24 AM

I would say it is more of a class thing than a race thing. Wealthy minorities tend to be economic conservatives. OTOH though, a lot of poor and middle class white people like to pretend that policies that benefit the wealthy are in their best interest and wave their hands at race as basis for it. I have you pegged as one.Well, you'd be wrong. I'm neither rich nor White, but I do believe in equality. Something you may have believed in once, but have forgotten.

Asking a cop to not defend himself when he's being attacked by a huge thug isn't equality, it's monstrosity.

SupremeGuy

12-28-2014, 03:28 AM

boutons_deux

12-28-2014, 08:30 AM

Also, I agree. There's a lot of class warfare, but who are the people that flame those fans? Obama and holder certainly don't help. Riots and destruction don't help. There are opportunities for obama, holder, and the protesters to help, but are they trying to help? I don't see it.

if there weren't a Class War, any flaming would go nowhere.

You right-wingers, Fox, Repugs always blaming the victims as frauds, as having no case, as liars.

is no class warfare, it's the flamers

is no police brutality, it's the the thugs,

is no rape, the girls are lying.

is no poverty, it's lazy people who don't want to work.

etc, etc.

All excuses, LIES to maintain, defend the degradation of the 99% and victims.

SupremeGuy

12-28-2014, 09:08 AM

if there weren't a Class War, any flaming would go nowhere.

You right-wingers, Fox, Repugs always blaming the victims as frauds, as having no case, as liars.

is no class warfare, it's the flamers

is no police brutality, it's the the thugs,

is no rape, the girls are lying.

is no poverty, it's lazy people who don't want to work.

etc, etc.

All excuses, LIES to maintain, defend the degradation of the 99% and victims.Wow. :toast

You never told me in the other thread why you bothered coming back to the US, why did you?

SupremeGuy

12-28-2014, 09:16 AM

Where's the loser cd to cry about straw mans, tbh? lol

boutons_deux

12-28-2014, 11:52 AM

Fox, Repug Hero, token black/Uncle Tom spews:

Allen West denies modern-day racism: President Obama just wants blacks ‘vomiting dissension’

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/allen-west-denies-modern-day-racism-president-obama-just-wants-blacks-vomiting-dissension/

Thebesteva

12-28-2014, 06:23 PM

:cry But why didn't he shoot the gun out his hand? :cry

:lol

boutons_deux

12-28-2014, 08:05 PM

Tennessee Woman In Body Armor Shoots Up Suburban Neighborhood

http://src2.politicususa.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/julie-shields.jpg

The woman fired shots randomly at vehicles and continued to aim her gun at vehicles even while she was being chased by police. She also pointed her firearm at police officers, but she was eventually arrested and taken alive.

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/12/28/tennessee-woman-body-armor-shoots-suburban-neighborhood.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

If she were black ...

Where are the 200 shots usually into a black person's car? driver white? neighborhood too upscale?

A few days ago, a cop shot a mentally ill black guy with "lethal" :lol "baton", 14 TIMES!

spurraider21

12-28-2014, 09:26 PM

are black gunmen ever taken alive?

SupremeGuy

12-28-2014, 11:29 PM

are black gunmen ever taken alive?Never. Prisons are empty.

z0sa

12-29-2014, 01:07 AM

Never. Prisons are empty.

:lol

CosmicCowboy

12-29-2014, 09:49 AM

And exactly who have you heard this from? I know where you get your news from by this point but lets go ahead and hear it from yourself. I'm betting you have not spoken to a single protester on your own and at best have a Fox or similar news source's account as basis.

Further, the inner city racially/ethnically segregated urban squalor goes back to the 19th century. Specifically, with black folks immediately leading up to and following the civil war to be exact. The irish, italian, asian, etc immigrants also saw their own ghettos. You are attributing cause to something that existed beforehand. The difference that subsidization produced was electricity and running water. You are familiar with the slums in Mexico and the third world? That is what slums were like in the industrial era up into the new deal.

:lol vibrant communities. naive old man. as if there are not any vibrant minority communities now.

The policy does not create welfare cycles. If not for subsidized housing we would end up like the third world again. Social mobility is much more difficult when there is no running water and waste disposal. Not to mention disease and the way things were prior to the Great Society in general. You get your medicare I guess that is good though, eh?

Now lets look at African social mobility following LBJ's Great Society and the beginning of the 'welfare state' and the scourge of the free rider as Hamiltonians are fond of pretending.

http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21584003-his-i-have-dream-speech-martin-luther-king-threw-out-challenge-america-how-has-it

To me that indicates that following the application of the principles you are espousing here, in the Contract with America and the policies of Bush the lesser, social mobility out of your so called 'hopeless welfare ghettos' went down.

Now go vote in another tax break and enjoy your medicare, old man.

Electricity and sewer :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

As usual, FuzzyBrain missed the point by a mile in his ankle biting.

The Great Society and urban renewal, concentrating poverty in "public housing", the rise of the illegal drug industry and the abdication of power in the projects by the government to the criminal elements was the unholy trinity that killed the black community. Yeah, we have seen the error of our ways and have gone to distributed public housing now but the cultural damage was done and the black family tradition was destroyed.

CosmicCowboy

12-29-2014, 10:07 AM

FuzzyBrain didn't even read his own link.

The dissolution of the black family may do more harm to black mobility than any other single factor. Marriage is declining and out-of-wedlock births are increasing across American society. Black Americans lead the way in both. In 2011 72% of black babies were born to unwed mothers, and just 29% of black adults were married, compared with 60% in 1960. Conservatives tend to blame welfare policies, and liberals the lack of low-skill, living-wage jobs, for the decline of black marriage. Either way it has left black women as principal breadwinners in a large number of homes with children. A National Women’s Law Centre study found that in 2011 black women who worked full-time earned, on average, 64 cents for every dollar a white man earned. But among black married couples with children, women are almost twice as likely to outearn their husbands as to be outearned by them.

Still, most black children are no longer brought up in two-parent homes: in 2011 55% of black children were being raised by a single parent. Such children are four times more likely to be poor than children raised by their married parents. Ron Haskins and Isabel Sawhill, of the Brookings Institution, have found that people who finish high school, work full time and wait to have children until they are married and 21 or older have a 72% chance of joining the middle class and just a 2% chance of being poor. The numbers are reversed for those who violate all three rules.

boutons_deux

12-29-2014, 10:27 AM

CosmicCowboy

12-29-2014, 10:30 AM

"the unholy trinity that killed the black community."

:lol yep, it wasn't racism, job discrimination, selling mortgages and 2nd mortgages to blacks who couldn't afford them, de facto segregation, esp in shitty schools, going back many decades. nope, it was just as you said. :lol

Ron Haskins and Isabel Sawhill, of the Brookings Institution, have found that people who finish high school, work full time and wait to have children until they are married and 21 or older have a 72% chance of joining the middle class and just a 2% chance of being poor. The numbers are reversed for those who violate all three rules.

boutons_deux

12-29-2014, 10:48 AM

A Look Into The 'Double Lives' Of America's Homeless College Students

McLean is one of more than 58,000 homeless college students in America today, according to Free Application for Federal Student Aid data from the 2012-2013 academic year.

The figure -- which does not account for students who either do not realize they qualify as homeless (i.e., couch-surfers) or those who choose not to report their cases out of fear or shame -- marks a more than 75 percent increase over the previous three years.

Administrators and poverty advocates nationwide attribute the recent spike in homelessness among college students to several leading factors: a parent losing a job, a lack of affordable housing and rising tuition costs.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/26/college-student-homeless-boston_n_6145980.html

And college grads (includes CC's beloved HS grads) are really fucked, too. Either with low-paying jobs that will affect their lifetime earnings, or no job, AND $28K average college debt, which for many will BALLOON to twice that with collections agencies fees and penalties and interest over the decades.

America blatantly SUCKS for 10Ms of Americans, ALL races.

CosmicCowboy

12-29-2014, 11:12 AM

Boo Hoo Ho Waaa Waaa Waaa my life sucks!!!!

boutons_deux

12-29-2014, 11:34 AM

http://www.childtrends.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/112_fig1.jpg

http://www.childtrends.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/112_fig2.jpg

FuzzyLumpkins

12-29-2014, 02:39 PM

Electricity and sewer :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

As usual, FuzzyBrain missed the point by a mile in his ankle biting.

The Great Society and urban renewal, concentrating poverty in "public housing", the rise of the illegal drug industry and the abdication of power in the projects by the government to the criminal elements was the unholy trinity that killed the black community. Yeah, we have seen the error of our ways and have gone to distributed public housing now but the cultural damage was done and the black family tradition was destroyed.

This is stupid. The illegal drug trade didn't even exist until the end of the 19th century and the controlled substance acts. Might as well blame them for the rise of organized crime and ignore prohibition while you are at it. You don't even know about how to create a causal link.

As for what I supposedly didn't read, not all black people live in assisted living. Not even a majority do. It's one thing to discuss social mobility out of lower classes and quite another to talk about the marriage circumstances of the entire population. Still no causal link. The wage disparities certainly do not further your take.

You completely ignore the circumstances of the US slums in the 19th century and the parallels between the modern third world and try to bluster instead. This is typical from you. Wave your hands some more at what you want to be true but are unable to prove. It's amusing watching you flounder about.

CosmicCowboy

12-29-2014, 03:16 PM

This is stupid. The illegal drug trade didn't even exist until the end of the 19th century and the controlled substance acts. Might as well blame them for the rise of organized crime and ignore prohibition while you are at it. You don't even know about how to create a causal link.

As for what I supposedly didn't read, not all black people live in assisted living. Not even a majority do. It's one thing to discuss social mobility out of lower classes and quite another to talk about the marriage circumstances of the entire population. Still no causal link. The wage disparities certainly do not further your take.

You completely ignore the circumstances of the US slums in the 19th century and the parallels between the modern third world and try to bluster instead. This is typical from you. Wave your hands some more at what you want to be true but are unable to prove. It's amusing watching you flounder about.

Damn you suck at reading comprehension.

You are so damn anxious to ankle bite you don't even read the fucking posts you goddamn moron.

CosmicCowboy

12-29-2014, 03:30 PM

Fuzzy = Baby Boutons

All spitle and indignation and zero substance

boutons_deux

12-29-2014, 03:34 PM

CC "substance":

Boo Hoo Ho Waaa Waaa Waaa my life sucks!!!!

... in response to being bitch slapped with fucking facts.

FuzzyLumpkins

12-29-2014, 03:40 PM

19th century? :lmao:lmao:lmao

Damn you suck at reading comprehension.

You are so damn anxious to ankle bite you don't even read the fucking posts you goddamn moron.

Seeing that the New Deal began in 1933 and symbolizes the beginning of the welfare state that supply siders such as yourself decry, yes the 19th century. the era immediately preceding the policies you are complaining about is apt. I talked about the great society and third world policies too. You have ignored all of that and have been more shrill than anything.

You have now retreated all the way back to urban planning aspecifically not centralizing poor housing. That in particular is funny because you are no longer arguing the principle but instead the best way to implement it. that belies your veracity in the former, CialusCowboy.

Medicare, cash for clunkers, solar reimbursements, but never subsidized housing: the CC way.

CosmicCowboy

12-29-2014, 03:46 PM

FuzzyLumpkins

12-29-2014, 04:16 PM

spittle spittle spittle indignation babyboutons.

It's all about the melanin in the skin. Society is racist, racist, racist

Nowhere is there any recognition that minorities that come from complete families, finish high school, and don't have babies until their 20's assimilate into the middle class or better no matter what their color.

It's just a giant conspiracy to make those minority kids fail. LOL

Grow up, babyboutons.

We were talking about subsidized housing and now you have expanded it to this generalized frothing. I am not saying that society is racist. I am comfortable saying you are racist specifically because of your policy position on public housing but I have not done so explicitly. It's pretty obvious. Keep flopping, fatty.

Subsidized housing is a big reason that we are better than the third world. Welfare and social development do help people improve their lives including you MedicareCowboy.

CosmicCowboy

12-29-2014, 04:28 PM

We were talking about subsidized housing and now you have expanded it to this generalized frothing. I am not saying that society is racist. I am comfortable saying you are racist specifically because of your policy position on public housing but I have not done so explicitly. It's pretty obvious. Keep flopping, fatty.

Subsidized housing is a big reason that we are better than the third world. Welfare and social development do help people improve their lives including you MedicareCowboy.

spittle, spittle, spittle again without context

I said the urban renewal housing project phase of the 50's and 60's was a mistake and a significant contributor to the breakdown of the urban black family and you in your normal babyboutons bullshit try to twist it that I am against all housing subsidies.

Nice try babyboutons but a little reading comprehension is in order.

spittle spittle ankle bite ankle bite babyboutons

CosmicCowboy

12-29-2014, 04:29 PM

So is babyboutons a proponent of urban high rise housing projects?

Winehole23

12-29-2014, 04:59 PM

I don't think anyone is for that anymore, CC.

CosmicCowboy

12-29-2014, 05:05 PM

I don't think anyone is for that anymore, CC.

Apparently babyboutons is since he insisted on anklebiting when I said it was a bad idea.

boutons_deux

12-29-2014, 05:06 PM

I don't think anyone is for that anymore, CC.

high rise, low rise, how high is too high?

boutons_deux

12-29-2014, 05:09 PM

U.S. Rents Rise Again as Market Tightens

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304887104579304830053269994

In Many Cities, Rent Is Rising Out of Reach of Middle Class

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/15/business/more-renters-find-30-affordability-ratio-unattainable.html

CosmicCowboy

12-29-2014, 05:10 PM

high rise, low rise, how high is too high?

Concentrated housing projects period.

boutons_deux

12-29-2014, 05:22 PM

Concentrated housing projects period.

Stieglitz says the real driver of income inequality is the price of land, real estate, esp in metro areas, which is where the jobs are.

High density is about the only way to address the shortage of affordable housing. You could move all those thugs, they are ALL thugs, right! and their trashy memorials, out to the suburbs and let them take public transport to the city to work. oops, US regional public transport essentially sucks, underfunded.

CosmicCowboy

12-29-2014, 05:31 PM

Stieglitz says the real driver of income inequality is the price of land, real estate, esp in metro areas, which is where the jobs are.

High density is about the only way to address the shortage of affordable housing. You could move all those thugs, they are ALL thugs, right! and their trashy memorials, out to the suburbs and let them take public transport to the city to work. oops, US regional public transport essentially sucks, underfunded.

Since when are all the jobs downtown? What alternate universe are YOU living in? If anything, at least in Texas, the urban poor are at a disadvantage in finding work as most of the service jobs are in the suburbs.

FuzzyLumpkins

12-29-2014, 05:31 PM

Trill Clinton

12-29-2014, 06:22 PM

cc getting taken to the woodshed in here

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CosmicCowboy

12-29-2014, 06:55 PM

No woodshed here. Any responsible minority has the opportunity to join the middle class as a minimum. I refuse to believe blacks are inferior and incapable of upward mobility.

Trill Clinton

12-29-2014, 07:21 PM

whites with less than a high school diploma make more than blacks and latino's with college degrees. hard work can only get you so far in amerikkka

spurraider21

12-29-2014, 08:15 PM

Th'Pusher

12-29-2014, 08:36 PM

income =/= wealth

that graph is for households and not individuals, and they only consider the head of the household's education. a big part of wealth is also what your folks left behind. would also like to see how asians stack up in this graph, or other backgrounds in general

Here's a whole study on it... Asians > whites> blacks

https://www.econ.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/tian_luo_thesis.pdf

CosmicCowboy

12-29-2014, 09:00 PM

whites with less than a high school diploma make more than blacks and latino's with college degrees. hard work can only get you so far in amerikkka

I call bullshit unless the black got a worthless degree in a major nobody wants or needs.

spurraider21

12-29-2014, 09:03 PM

Here's a whole study on it... Asians > whites> blacks

https://www.econ.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/tian_luo_thesis.pdf
Why don't we ever discuss Asian supremacy and discriminated whites

Th'Pusher

12-29-2014, 09:09 PM

Why don't we ever discuss Asian supremacy and discriminated whites

Probably because Asians are a minority. Hard to play the victim card when you're in the majority.

spurraider21

12-29-2014, 09:10 PM

Probably because Asians are a minority. Hard to play the victim card when you're in the majority.
Tell that to citizens of Ferguson

Th'Pusher

12-29-2014, 09:28 PM

Tell that to citizens of Ferguson

Don't be obtuse. Blacks aren't a majority. Ferguson is a suburb dude.

spurraider21

12-30-2014, 12:43 AM

Don't be obtuse. Blacks aren't a majority. Ferguson is a suburb dude.
suburbs have their own police departments?

Th'Pusher

12-30-2014, 09:13 AM

suburbs have their own police departments?

What's your point? Are you suggesting blacks aren't a minority? Are Hispanics not in the minority because San Antonio is 60%+ Hispanic?

boutons_deux

12-30-2014, 09:21 AM

Hard to play the victim card when you're in the majority.

:lol It 's SO E Z

Christians have been playing the persecuted card for years. "Christians are persecuted if they are blocked from raping Separation of Church and State, or blocked from imposing their morals, ethics, Biblical fantasies on non-Christians, etc"

white men, too "White men are persecuted because their rights are being given to non-white people and/or, even horribly worse, to any women"

:lol

CosmicCowboy

12-30-2014, 09:57 AM

What's your point? Are you suggesting blacks aren't a minority? Are Hispanics not in the minority because San Antonio is 60%+ Hispanic?

Difference is Hispanics have assimilated and pretty much joined the middle class or better. They don't play the race card like the poor pitiful blacks who blame their ignorance on discrimination.

boutons_deux

12-30-2014, 10:58 AM

Difference is Hispanics have assimilated and pretty much joined the middle class or better.

not true, Hispanics are well below white and asian household in income

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2014/09/Screen_Shot_2014_09_16_at_3.54.21_PM/2066144b1.png

Hispanics don't play the race card as much as blacks because of extremely different histories, and extremely different levels of racism they encounter.

And of course American Hispanics are mostly ethnic American Indians with Hispanic names, NOT European/Spain Hispanics, which is also true throughout the Americas.

FuzzyLumpkins

12-30-2014, 06:08 PM

en. Jamilah Nasheed, D-St. Louis, introduced legislation that would alter the state’s use-of-force statute, which became a source of controversy after the grand jury decision was made. She also put forward a bill that would allow the state’s attorney general to investigate officer-involved shootings that result in a death.

And Sen. Maria Chappelle-Nadal, D-University introduced legislation that would prompt the attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor to look into officer-involved shootings. It’s an idea that’s been embraced by some Republicans — including Rep. Jay Barnes, R-Jefferson City.

“For prosecutors, there’s the additional consideration of future working relationships with law enforcement,” Barnes wrote in one of his newsletters that was released in late August. “Knowing they will have to work with the same or similar law enforcement personnel in the future, a prosecutor may be less inclined to charge appropriately. The same holds true for law enforcement personnel investigating officers within their own police department. Prosecutors and cops are humans just like us. Try as they might, investigating their own generates intractable problems of bias.”

Along with a number of other lawmakers, Chappelle-Nadal wants to prompt police officers to wear body cameras and name tags. She also wants to restrict when they can deploy tear gas.

Earlier this year, Chappelle-Nadal indicated that her legislation was inspired by what she experienced during some particularly violent nights of protests.

“I was tear-gassed for three hours,” Chappelle-Nadal said. “Had I not been there, those folks in that neighborhood wouldn’t have any credibility on what happened. I had my intern with me and I had a young minister with me. And we videotaped it. I was on the phone with Sen. Schmitt. I was on the phone with a friend from high school. They were all trying to calm me down. I couldn’t breathe.”

“You try being tear-gassed for three hours and see how you feel about that,” she added. “I mean, it’s traumatizing. It truly is. And I have a lot of guts. But let me tell you, not that night I didn’t. Not that night.”

http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/lawmakers-produce-ideas-responding-ferguson-unrest-can-they-deliver

spurraider21

12-30-2014, 06:48 PM

why would you stay in the same place for 3 hours if there is tear gas

CosmicCowboy

12-30-2014, 07:37 PM

Hint. Tear gas is the subtle hint that intelligent people understand to mean that the crowd is supposed to disperse from that spot.

Winehole23

01-01-2015, 05:05 PM

In D.C. last week, an exasperated Police Chief Cathy Lanier said:

“All of these protests that are blocking traffic, it’s pulling police officers out of the neighborhoods that need the police the most. … So how do I prevent homicides and shootings and violent crimes and robberies and burglaries right before the holidays if all my cops are directing traffic around 30 guys that want to be out there at 11 o’clock at night laying in the middle of Chinatown?”
This gets at the heart of the Buchanan premise: when cops aren't able to be in the neighborhoods, everyone is more at danger of getting murdered. Except it didn't happen.

In the week of Dec. 13 through Dec. 20 — the week when most of these protests happened, dragging MPD away from the neighborhoods — no homicides were reported (http://homicidewatch.org/2014/12/21/week-in-review-195/). Not a single one. Only one homicide happened in D.C. in the two weeks following the grand jury decision to not indict the New York City police officer who killed Eric Garner with a chokehold — police say it happened on a Tuesday morning (http://homicidewatch.org/2014/12/15/detectives-simmering-feud-preceded-arthur-lee-gaithers-death/).

As a NYC cop pointed out to me, on Sept. 11, 2001, there was no upswing in crime. Nor immediately after Hurricane Sandy.

We obviously need police. But if anyone believes that our police, in their large numbers, their liberty to engage, and their military-style arsenals, are the only guards against bedlam, they might be misguided

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/is-there-only-a-thin-blue-line-separating-us-cities-from-mayhem/article/2557964

boutons_deux

01-01-2015, 05:17 PM

"they might be misguided"

:lol now that's strong, clear, positive language! Congrats, wimp :lol

FuzzyLumpkins

01-01-2015, 05:47 PM

why would you stay in the same place for 3 hours if there is tear gas

Who said she stayed at the same spot?

scott

01-01-2015, 05:57 PM

No woodshed here. Any responsible minority has the opportunity to join the middle class as a minimum. I refuse to believe blacks are inferior and incapable of upward mobility.

Black, white, brown, or purple, upward economic mobility in the US is harder than much of the industrialized world. http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21595437-america-no-less-socially-mobile-it-was-generation-ago-mobility-measured

boutons_deux

01-01-2015, 06:42 PM

Any responsible minority has the opportunity to join the middle class as a minimum"

your really have no fucking clue how economic mobility is largely and more and more defined the economic status you're born into.

The Long Shadow

Family Background, Disadvantaged Urban Youth, and the Transition to Adulthood

https://www.russellsage.org/publications/long-shadow

Many Feel the American Dream Is Out of Reach, Poll Shows

http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/dealbook/2014/12/10/many-feel-the-american-dream-is-out-of-reach-poll-shows/

Economist: I’ve Crunched the Numbers, and the American Dream Is Dead

“America has no higher rate of social mobility than medieval England or pre-industrial Sweden,” he said."

http://www.alternet.org/economy/economist-ive-crunched-numbers-and-american-dream-dead

CosmicCowboy

01-01-2015, 07:12 PM

Black, white, brown, or purple, upward economic mobility in the US is harder than much of the industrialized world. http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21595437-america-no-less-socially-mobile-it-was-generation-ago-mobility-measured

Did I misread the study? Was age 26 the baseline for the study from bottom 1/5 to top 1/5? Reading on my phone so I might have missed something. If not don't you think that's a little quick to assume they don't make the move by 40 or 50?

spurraider21

01-01-2015, 08:15 PM

Who said she stayed at the same spot?
yeah im sure they followed her around, lobbing tear gas canisters at her wherever she went

FuzzyLumpkins

01-01-2015, 08:33 PM

yeah im sure they followed her around, lobbing tear gas canisters at her wherever she went

She was with a group of protesters. You don't think the police followed crowds around?

spurraider21

01-01-2015, 08:54 PM

if you actually end up in the vicinity of tear gas for 3 hours, you're doing something wrong

scott

01-02-2015, 03:53 PM

Did I misread the study? Was age 26 the baseline for the study from bottom 1/5 to top 1/5? Reading on my phone so I might have missed something. If not don't you think that's a little quick to assume they don't make the move by 40 or 50?

There are a number of studies out there, all of which with the same conclusion: economic mobility in the US is much lower than the rest of the industrialized world. The good (surprising) news is that economic mobility hasn't increase in difficulty in the last 40 years... the bad news is that it's just as unlikely at it has ever been.

boutons_deux

01-02-2015, 03:59 PM

"The good (surprising) news is that economic mobility hasn't increase in difficulty in the last 40 years."

link?

with inequality continually increasing, the non-1% suffering stagnating income, or getting poorer, good paying jobs more scarce (unions busted), with mobility-increasing education becoming shittier (charter schools, reduced budgets for K12) and higher education more expensive, I expect socioeconomic mobility to decrease, not remain the same.

TheSanityAnnex

01-02-2015, 05:15 PM

"The good (surprising) news is that economic mobility hasn't increase in difficulty in the last 40 years."

link?

with inequality continually increasing, the non-1% suffering stagnating income, or getting poorer, good paying jobs more scarc (unions busted), with mobility-increasing education becoming shittier (charter schools, reduced budgets for K12) and higher education more expensive, I expect socioeconomic mobility to decrease, not remain the same.

Linked in the previous post of Scott's. Mobility is basically the same as it was 40 years ago.

FuzzyLumpkins

01-04-2015, 04:29 AM

if you actually end up in the vicinity of tear gas for 3 hours, you're doing something wrong

Cops are spposed to uphold the law and not be arbiters of right and wrong. Frankly your statement is so vague in basis that it is meaningless.

FuzzyLumpkins

01-04-2015, 04:31 AM

Linked in the previous post of Scott's. Mobility is basically the same as it was 40 years ago.

I'll let Scott speak for himself. You can barely read much less speak for others.

TheSanityAnnex

01-04-2015, 11:56 AM

I see 2015 has gifted you an extra dose of faggotry
I'll let Scott speak for himself. You can barely read much less speak for others.

The good (surprising) news is that economic mobility hasn't increase in difficulty in the last 40 years

Despite huge increases in inequality, America may be no less mobile a society than it was 40 years ago

boutons_deux

01-04-2015, 12:28 PM

Linked in the previous post of Scott's. Mobility is basically the same as it was 40 years ago.

yep, 35 - 40 years ago is when the VRWC, organized in the early/mid '70s, began to deliver its sinister effects.

That the comparatively shitty American mobility hasn't changed (which is simply not believable given the increasingly inaccessible cost of college, esp state/public colleges, and the Repugs killing govt college aid) is NOT a positive. American mobility still sucks.

FuzzyLumpkins

01-05-2015, 03:25 AM

:cry

Good monkey.

You miss my point. You are stupid and getting it right once in awhile doesn't change the rate at which you spew stupidity. Again, I will allow Scott to speak for himself. Quoting him is one thing but your dumb ass is not qualified to speak on his behalf.

TheSanityAnnex

01-05-2015, 02:30 PM

Good monkey.

You miss my point. You are stupid and getting it right once in awhile doesn't change the rate at which you spew stupidity. Again, I will allow Scott to speak for himself. Quoting him is one thing but your dumb ass is not qualified to speak on his behalf.

Boutons asked for a link, I pointed him in the direction of Scott's previous post. No one addressed or quoted you. You have no point, just more of your typical faggotry.

boutons_deux

01-05-2015, 02:41 PM

Ferguson juror asks to be ungagged.

FuzzyLumpkins

01-05-2015, 07:40 PM

I don't like being questioned so I am going to make up things about their sexuality. :cry

My point is that you have no credibility. You have demonstrated poor reading and critical thinking skills. It is what it is.

TheSanityAnnex

01-05-2015, 08:47 PM

My point is that you have no credibility. You have demonstrated poor reading and critical thinking skills. It is what it is.
Go back and read the progression of this conversation since you jumped in and you can accurately apply the above quote to yourself. I've caused you so much butthurt over the years that you blindly lash out at any and every opportunity, even when unprovoked. You come off as extremely insecure and pathetic tbh.

FuzzyLumpkins

01-06-2015, 03:23 PM

Go back and read the progression of this conversation since you jumped in and you can accurately apply the above quote to yourself. I've caused you so much butthurt over the years that you blindly lash out at any and every opportunity, even when unprovoked. You come off as extremely insecure and pathetic tbh.

How is it blind? Over and over again you have shown that you have difficulty identifying the subject, predicate, or clauses of simple sentences that leads to poor reading comprehension. You repeatedly demonstrate the inability to identify key words and ideas much less comparing and contrasting them. The list goes on.

You are not qualified to speak for yourself much less others.

Take this post of yours above. You are long on assertions but you once again are unable to give supporting or demonstrative arguments.

TheSanityAnnex

01-06-2015, 04:57 PM

Boutons asked for a link, I pointed him in the direction of Scott's previous post. No one addressed or quoted you. You have no point, just more of your typical faggotry.

Also, please demonstrate where I spoke for scott.

boutons_deux

01-10-2015, 03:50 PM

How A 15-Year-Old Police Shooting Case Puts More Dents In Ferguson Prosecutor’s Credibility (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/01/10/3610288/that-other-time-ferguson-prosecutor-mcculloch-whitewashed-police-killing/)

The anonymous juror’s suit also cites another case from nearly 15 years ago which suggests McCulloch has a history of demonizing the victims of police shooting, and skewing the evidence in favor of the police.

the details of the 2000 case, known locally as the Jack in the Box shooting, investigations by federal officials and St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporters reveal familiar-sounding details about McCulloch’s strange use of the grand jury process and inflammatory public statements (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/11/25/3596884/ferguson-legal-experts/) following the ultimate exoneration of police.

Here are the four key takeaways about McCulloch’s conduct from that 2000 case, known locally as the Jack in the Box shooting.

1. McCulloch lied to the public about how witnesses testified to the key detail of the day.

2. McCulloch steered the grand jury toward viewing the dead men as hardened criminals, and later referred to them publicly as “bums.”

3. McCulloch failed to secure expert testimony to allow grand jurors to resolve the conflicting stories officers testified to in private.

4. McCulloch jumped in to stop a cop mid-testimony when he started to compare the incident to “a notorious police shooting of an unarmed man in New York.”

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/01/10/3610288/that-other-time-ferguson-prosecutor-mcculloch-whitewashed-police-killing/

You people supporting, believing "official" McCulloch and his grand jury FARCE convicting Brown are the same type of people who believed "official" dickhead, shrub, wolfy, rummy about Iraq.

TheSanityAnnex

01-21-2015, 09:04 PM

:lol so no civil charges from the Feds. Holder is one corrupt motherfucker.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/22/us/justice-department-ferguson-civil-rights-darren-wilson.html?_r=0&referrer=

MultiTroll

01-21-2015, 10:03 PM

:lol so no civil charges from the Feds. Holder is one corrupt motherfucker.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/22/us/justice-department-ferguson-civil-rights-darren-wilson.html?_r=0&referrer=
Will this cost the Dems the coon vote in 2016?

spurraider21

01-21-2015, 11:01 PM

boutons_deux

01-21-2015, 11:11 PM

Sarah Culhane is white. Michael Brown is dead.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/sarah-culhane-is-white-michael-brown-is-dead/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

If she were black, esp a black male, she'd be dead.

TheSanityAnnex

01-21-2015, 11:43 PM

Infinite_limit

01-22-2015, 12:29 AM

spurraider21

01-22-2015, 01:18 AM

spurraider21

01-22-2015, 03:01 AM

why wasn't this on mainstream news? interracial hate crime, torture, etc

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/27909137/men

by the way the defendant offers his apology at 1:45. you should listen to it

HI-FI

01-22-2015, 03:06 AM

why wasn't this on mainstream news? interracial hate crime, torture, etc

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/27909137/men

by the way the defendant offers his apology at 1:45. you should listen to it
i just read it (don't feel like hearing that piece of shit). unfuckingreal. Boutons is probably pumping his fist listening to that but I'm just speechless.

spurraider21

01-22-2015, 03:12 AM

i just read it (don't feel like hearing that piece of shit). unfuckingreal. Boutons is probably pumping his fist listening to that but I'm just speechless.
this is why i dont buy into the mainstream hysteria. the big news outlets choose their stories that will get the people riled up, and you have guys like booboo that slurp the narrative. there are fucktards of every skin color.

when the individual stories come out, they're terrible, but to try to convince me that its this one-way, entirely racially motivated, systematic victimization... i'm just not buying it.

TheSanityAnnex

01-22-2015, 02:05 PM

Not a single response from those who said the Fed civil trial would have a different outcome. Interesting.

FuzzyLumpkins

01-22-2015, 05:59 PM

Not a single response from those who said the Fed civil trial would have a different outcome. Interesting.

Nice strawman. It's been widely reported from the beginning that the difference in the standards of proof for the civil rights versus homicide investigations would mean the DoJ would be unlikely to do anything. I am pretty sure that was coming from the DoJ itself.

My point has been that the homicide investigation has been flawed from the very beginning. Who exactly are you calling out?

boutons_deux

02-09-2015, 09:59 PM

Does Ferguson run 'debtor's prison'? Lawsuit targets a source of unrest.

A lawsuit filed Sunday aims to correct one of the driving factors behind the racial unrest in Ferguson, Mo., last summer: a local court system that, critics say, systematically jailed people too poor to pay fines accumulated from traffic tickets or other minor infractions.

A kind of 19th-century "debtor's prison" has been in place for years in Ferguson and nearby Jennings, Mo., say those who filed the lawsuit. The result, they add, is "a Dickensian system that flagrantly violates the basic constitutional and human rights of our community’s most vulnerable people."

The lawsuit comes at a time when several states and cities – including Ferguson – are beginning to address the grievances laid bare last summer. Ferguson has just not gone far enough or fast enough, the lawsuit claims.

As of last October, many small towns near St. Louis (http://www.csmonitor.com/csmlists/topic/St.+Louis) with majority black populations collected more money from traffic fines and court fees than from property and sales taxes

court-related revenues were the second largest source of city income, accounting for $2.6 million of the $20 million in total revenue, the report found. And in 2013, Ferguson issued almost 33,000 arrest warrants, more than one per resident, for unpaid fines for minor violations – though many were issued for non-residents.

"The practice of using fines and fees to impose ‘hidden taxes’ on the poorest populations is evident," the report said.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2015/0209/Does-Ferguson-run-debtor-s-prison-Lawsuit-targets-a-source-of-unrest

boutons_deux

02-15-2015, 08:35 PM

Law Enforcement Concerns Create Unlikely Alliances in Missouri and Beyond

For years, poor black residents of St. Louis County have complained bitterly about being jailed when they could not pay traffic fines. Protesters in Ferguson, after the fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager by the police last year, even cited those fines — and related trips to jail (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/09/us/ferguson-one-of-2-missouri-suburbs-sued-over-gantlet-of-traffic-fines-and-jail.html?ref=topics) — as a major reason for their anger.

So when a measure was introduced (https://legiscan.com/MO/text/SB5/2015) recently in the Republican-held General Assembly calling for sharp limits in the revenue that Missouri towns can derive from traffic fines, it was not surprising that black lawmakers voiced support. What was unexpected were their allies in the cause: white, suburban Republicans, a former St. Louis County police chief and leaders from several conservative groups.

“If the St. Louis Tea Party (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/t/tea_party_movement/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) coalition and the A.C.L.U. are on the same page on something, we must be going down the right path,” Bill Hennessy, a leader of theTea Party (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/t/tea_party_movement/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) group, told a legislative committee the other day, moments after a local American Civil Liberties Union leader testified in support of the measure.

Their unlikely alliance helped the ticket-revenue bill pass unanimously in the State Senate on Thursday, with approval in the House considered very likely — even as a host of other post-Ferguson measures intended to regulate the police are struggling to gain traction.

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/02/15/us/15policing-web02/14policing-web02-articleLarge.jpg (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/us/law-enforcement-issues-in-missouri-and-other-states-spur-unlikely-alliances.html?_r=0#modal-lightbox)

Eric Schmitt, a Missouri Senate Republican, is the chief sponsor of a bill to limit cities’ reliance on revenue from traffic fines.

Missouri is hardly the only place where left and right are joining forces on law enforcement issues.

In Cincinnati, libertarians and the N.A.A.C.P. together fought a jail expansion and red-light cameras.

In Philadelphia, a coalition of conservatives and civil rights defenders has opposed civil asset forfeiture, a law enforcement practice that has often targeted small-business owners and the poor.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/us/law-enforcement-issues-in-missouri-and-other-states-spur-unlikely-alliances.html?_r=0

Winehole23

03-02-2015, 10:35 PM

DOJ passed on criminal charges, but will threaten to sue Ferguson:

The Justice Department has nearly completed a highly critical report accusing the police in Ferguson, Mo., of making discriminatory traffic stops of African-Americans that created years of racial animosity leading up to an officer’s shooting of a black teenager last summer, law enforcement officials said.According to several officials who have been briefed on the report’s conclusions, the report criticizes the city for disproportionately ticketing and arresting African-Americans and relying on the fines to balance the city’s budget. The report, which is expected to be released as early as this week, will force Ferguson officials to either negotiate a settlement with the Justice Department or face being sued by it on civil rights charges.http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/02/us/justice-department-report-to-fault-police-in-ferguson.html?referrer=&_r=0

Winehole23

03-02-2015, 10:36 PM

Blacks accounted for 86 percent of traffic stops in 2013 but make up 63 percent of the population, according to the most recent data published by the Missouri attorney general. And once they were stopped, black drivers were twice as likely to be searched, even though searches of white drivers were more likely to turn up contraband.same

Winehole23

03-02-2015, 10:50 PM

In an unrelated but similar case, the Justice Department recently filed court documents in a lawsuit over whether the city of Clanton, Ala., is running a debtors’ prison. The lawsuit says city officials there keep poor people in jail simply because of their inability to pay fines.

“Because such systems do not account for individual circumstances of the accused, they essentially mandate pretrial detention for anyone who is too poor to pay the predetermined fee,” wrote Vanita Gupta, the top civil rights prosecutor at the Justice Department, who is also supervising the Ferguson inquiry.

cd021

03-04-2015, 11:21 PM

Black guy pulled over while sitting a parked car after playing ball. Has tinted windows so cop stops. The cop accuses him of being a perv and wants to pat him down for a weapon:lol He refuses and the cop slaps him with a handful of charges and dude loses his job over it because he's a government contractor.

The clowns in supporting the police department during the protest looking like dumb-asses. The mans should be able to sue the city for lost wages from that date in 2012-2015 and the cop should lose his job and have his name released to the media.

Winehole23

03-05-2015, 09:09 AM

read the DOJ report:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/257669288/Ferguson-Police-Department-Report

boutons_deux

03-05-2015, 09:17 AM

In the Southern states the development of American policing followed a different path. The genesis of the modern police organization in the South is the "Slave Patrol" (Platt 1982).

The first formal slave patrol was created in the Carolina colonies in 1704 (Reichel 1992).

Slave patrols had three primary functions:

(1) to chase down, apprehend, and return to their owners, runaway slaves;

(2) to provide a form of organized terror to deter slave revolts; and,

(3) to maintain a form of discipline for slave-workers who were subject to summary justice, outside of the law, if they violated any plantation rules.

Following the Civil War, these vigilante-style organizations evolved in modern Southern police departments primarily as a means of controlling freed slaves who were now laborers working in an agricultural caste system, and enforcing "Jim Crow" segregation laws, designed to deny freed slaves equal rights and access to the political system.

More than crime, modern police forces in the United States emerged as a response to "disorder."

What constitutes social and public order depends largely on who is defining those terms, and in the cities of 19th century America they were defined by the mercantile interests, who through taxes and political influence supported the development of bureaucratic policing institutions. These economic interests had a greater interest in social control than crime control. Private and for profit policing was too disorganized and too crime-specific in form to fulfill these needs. The emerging commercial elites needed a mechanism to insure a stable and orderly work force, a stable and orderly environment for the conduct of business, and the maintenance of what they referred to as the "collective good" (Spitzer and Scull 1977). These mercantile interests also wanted to divest themselves of the cost of protecting their own enterprises, transferring those costs from the private sector to the state.

http://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/history-policing-united-states-part-1

Even today, living, walking, driving "while black" (while non-white) is "disorder", requiring non-stop, daily police harassment, brutality, murder to restore "order"

awktalk

03-05-2015, 10:22 AM

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boutons_deux

03-05-2015, 02:01 PM

Michael Brown family to file wrongful death lawsuit against Ferguson

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/michael-brown-family-to-file-wrongful-death-lawsuit-against-ferguson/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

cd021

03-06-2015, 02:46 AM

Would like to see several lawsuits against the city as a result of the findings in the DOJ report. Few things change policy faster than the risk of lawsuits.

Winehole23

03-06-2015, 03:04 AM

believe it or not the real risk here isn't fiscal, it's the risk to reputation. illegitimate force undermines itself in the popular sovereignty model.

Winehole23

03-06-2015, 03:07 AM

being called out as illegitimate by the superior sovereign is a heavy blow.

Winehole23

03-06-2015, 03:08 AM

tends to legitimate the popular complaint against force.

Winehole23

03-06-2015, 03:10 AM

if Ferguson doesn't play ball, the bigger sovereigns will ride herd on them, and the people will make their life a living hell.

boutons_deux

03-06-2015, 05:15 AM

if Ferguson doesn't play ball, the bigger sovereigns will ride herd on them, and the people will make their life a living hell.

We'll see if blacks vote in next Ferguson muni elections.

Winehole23

03-06-2015, 10:09 AM

from the report:

In our conversations with FPD officers, one officer admitted that when he conducts a traffic stop, he asks for identification from all passengers as a matter of course. If any refuses, he considers that to be “furtive and aggressive” conduct and cites—and typically arrests—the person for Failure to Comply. The officer thus acknowledged that he regularly exceeds his authority under the Fourth Amendment by arresting passengers who refuse, as is their right, to provide identification ... Further, the officer told us that he was trained to arrest for this violation.

Winehole23

03-06-2015, 10:10 AM

more:

FPD and other law enforcement agencies in St. Louis County use a system of “wanteds” or “stop orders” as a substitute for seeking judicial approval for an arrest warrant. When officers believe a person has committed a crime but are not able to immediately locate that person, they can enter a “wanted” into the statewide law enforcement database, indicating to all other law enforcement agencies that the person should be arrested if located. While wanteds are supposed to be based on probable cause ... they operate as an end-run around the judicial system. Instead of swearing out a warrant and seeking judicial authorization from a neutral and detached magistrate, officers make the probable cause determination themselves and circumvent the courts.

... If officers enter wanteds into the system on less than probable cause, then the subsequent arrest would violate the Fourth Amendment. Our interviews with command staff and officers indicate that officers do not clearly understand the legal authority necessary to issue a wanted. For example, one veteran officer told us he will put out a wanted “if I do not have enough probable cause to arrest you.” He gave the example of investigating a car theft. Upon identifying a suspect, he would put that suspect into the system as wanted “because we do not have probable cause that he stole the vehicle.” Reflecting the muddled analysis officers may employ when deciding whether to issue a wanted, this officer concluded, “you have to have reasonable suspicion and some probable cause to put out a wanted.”

At times, FPD officers use wanteds not merely in spite of a lack of probable cause, but because they lack probable cause. In December 2014, a Ferguson detective investigating a shooting emailed a county prosecutor to see if a warrant for a suspect could be obtained, since “a lot of state agencies won’t act on a wanted.” The prosecutor responded stating that although “[c]hances are” the crime was committed by the suspect, “we just don’t have enough for a warrant right now.” The detective responded that he would enter a wanted. There is evidence that the use of wanteds has resulted in numerous unconstitutional arrests in Ferguson.

Winehole23

03-06-2015, 10:20 AM

... with respect to speeding charges brought by FPD, the evidence shows not only that African Americans are represented at disproportionately high rates overall, but also that the disparate impact of FPD’s enforcement practices on African Americans is 48% larger when citations are issued not on the basis of radar or laser, but by some other method, such as the officer’s own visual assessment.

These disparities are also present in FPD’s use of force. Nearly 90% of documented force used by FPD officers was used against African Americans. In every canine bite incident for which racial information is available, the person bitten was African American.

... African Americans are 68% less likely than others to have their cases dismissed by the court, and are more likely to have their cases last longer and result in more required court encounters. African Americans are at least 50% more likely to have their cases lead to an arrest warrant, and accounted for 92% of cases in which an arrest warrant was issued by the Ferguson Municipal Court in 2013. Available data show that, of those actually arrested by FPD only because of an outstanding municipal warrant, 96% are African American.

Winehole23

03-06-2015, 10:28 AM

The injury and the crime is equal, whether committed by the wearer of a crown, or some petty villain. The title of the offender, and the number of his followers, make no difference in the offence, unless it be to aggravate it. The only difference is, great robbers punish little ones, to keep them in their obedience; but the great ones are rewarded with laurels and triumphs, because they are too big for the weak hands of justice in this world, and have the power in their own possession, which should punish offenders. What is my remedy against a robber, that so broke into my house?

FromWayDowntown

03-06-2015, 10:58 AM

I don't think the Brown family's lawsuit against Officer Wilson has much of a chance, both because the DOJ report will be helpful to Wilson substantively and because making civil claims against law enforcement officers acting in their official capacities (as Wilson clearly was) are legally difficult, given the immunity that those officers are clothed with in most circumstances.

The findings in the DOJ report, though, against Ferguson PD seem to jive significantly with some arguments that have been made around here about the Brown case in the first instance. If there has been a cultural ethos in the Ferguson PD that is used to justify disparate treatment of blacks either based simply on racial prejudice or upon some more subtle (but no less racial) presumption of the guilt of blacks, it certainly would go some distance to question the use of force by Officer Wilson in the first place and the nature of his encounter with Brown. That is, if Officer Wilson wouldn't have stopped a white person in similar circumstances (the report suggests that might be true) or at least wouldn't have handled the encounter in the same way if the suspect was not black, then the escalation of the incident could be fairly reasonably attributed to that culture. The findings of the DA and the DOJ support Officer Wilson insofar as they determine that when the encounter reached the level that it did, his use of lethal force was apparently justified. That's a different question than wondering whether the encounter ever needed to escalate to that point and whether Officer Wilson had other means available to apprehend Brown (if he believed he had a justification to arrest Brown when he stopped him or shortly thereafter).

Ultimately, the DOJ report corroborates the anecdotal proof of racial bias within Ferguson PD. While I'm sure that does not make Ferguson PD unique, one hopes that it will make Ferguson PD change.

Added: that indifference to the Constitutional requirement of probable cause (the admission that the probable cause requirement could be skirted to effectuate unconstitutional arrests) through the "wanted" system is frightening.

Trill Clinton

03-06-2015, 11:06 AM

The activists and protestors were right all along. Ferguson pd is one of many racist police departments in amerikkka.

Trill Clinton

03-06-2015, 12:05 PM

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DarrinS

03-06-2015, 01:15 PM

Even the police dogs are racist. Damn.

Winehole23

03-06-2015, 01:17 PM

Even the police dogs are racist. Damn.that's not alleged. did you read the report?

DarrinS

03-06-2015, 01:48 PM

that's not alleged. did you read the report?

srsly dude?

Winehole23

03-06-2015, 02:32 PM

you were making a joke? the DOJ report is funny to you somehow?

TheSanityAnnex

03-06-2015, 02:54 PM

TheSanityAnnex

03-06-2015, 02:55 PM

The activists and protestors were right all along. Ferguson pd is one of many racist police departments in amerikkka.

I thought the protest was about Mike Brown?

Winehole23

03-06-2015, 04:55 PM

The report doesn't change how I feel about officer Wilson though, his actions were justified.that's just your opinion. that the facts did not support an indictment, does not necessarily justify Wilson's actions.

Trill Clinton

03-06-2015, 05:12 PM

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all these devils are getting exposed. time to clean house.

Trill Clinton

03-06-2015, 05:18 PM

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FuzzyLumpkins

03-06-2015, 05:26 PM

if Ferguson doesn't play ball, the bigger sovereigns will ride herd on them, and the people will make their life a living hell.

if they do not play ball then they will be sued in federal court and the national guard will police Ferguson in the interim much like the 1960s.

FuzzyLumpkins

03-06-2015, 05:28 PM

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all these devils are getting exposed. time to clean house.

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what you want to bet those guys were born 1945-1965?

Trill Clinton

03-06-2015, 05:34 PM

what you want to bet those guys were born 1945-1965?

yup and they teach their racist ideals to their children, grandchildren and obviously their subordinates. these are men in leadership positions who are behind these cowardly acts.

cd021

03-06-2015, 06:37 PM

I thought the protest was about Mike Brown?

Partly, but blacks were furious about being continuously treated like shit by the PD and the Brown killing seemed like the last straw. One complaint that I kept hearing was that the cops left his body in the middle of the street for hours, almost like they tried to use it as a deterrent and intimidation tacit.

cd021

03-06-2015, 06:43 PM

There has to be some type of house cleaning for a little bit of credibility to be restored to the PD. Still early but, report came out and the only response was one firing and a couple of suspensions. Hard to believe that the same officers who harassed the black residents could turn around and protect and serve them equally. Maybe they could but the (justifiable)hostility and resentment from the residents could make that much harder.

cd021

03-06-2015, 06:53 PM

yup and they teach their racist ideals to their children, grandchildren and obviously their subordinates. these are men in leadership positions who are behind these cowardly acts.

Every generation get a bit less racist as a whole the Millennials (People born 1980-1994) & Generation Z are the closest its been racial equality IMO. But yeah many born before then have pretty racist tendencies (not entirely just whites) some don't even realize that and get angry when some one calls them on something they said.

cd021

03-06-2015, 11:20 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/06/us/ferguson-justice-department-report-fallout/index.html

Two people were fined a combined $10,000 by the FPD. One of them said the cops towed (stole) her car because it looked old, even though it was street legal and she drove it to work.

boutons_deux

03-09-2015, 08:55 PM

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TheSanityAnnex

03-10-2015, 01:43 PM

read the DOJ report:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/257669288/Ferguson-Police-Department-Report

http://nypost.com/2015/03/09/ferguson-fake-out-justice-departments-bogus-report/

Winehole23

03-11-2015, 06:59 AM

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Winehole23

03-11-2015, 07:02 AM

seriously, that is some pretty weak sauce, TSA

boutons_deux

03-11-2015, 08:31 AM

NYPost is a Murdoch toilet paper

Winehole23

03-11-2015, 08:50 AM

it's like pointing at racial disparities of incarceration and claiming that proves black folks are more apt to be criminals and drug users

SupremeGuy

03-11-2015, 08:56 AM

http://nypost.com/2015/03/09/ferguson-fake-out-justice-departments-bogus-report/You just took a big shit on them and they don't even want to address it. :lol

Winehole23

03-11-2015, 08:57 AM

just did

Winehole23

03-11-2015, 08:58 AM

TSA shat himself. No flies on me.

Winehole23

03-11-2015, 09:51 AM

tangential, related to revenue-driven justice: unconstitutional court fees

http://www.texasobserver.org/houston-attorney-crusading-against-unconstitutional-court-fees/

TheSanityAnnex

03-11-2015, 10:35 AM

seriously, that is some pretty weak sauce, TSA

I already condemned FPD, just showing the other side is all. Did you not think the DOJ report was skewed at all?

Winehole23

03-11-2015, 10:50 AM

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/missouri-supreme-court-takes-over-cases-in-ferguson-judge-resigns/article_7442c873-a1a1-581f-b4b4-20f93972d91e.html

Winehole23

03-11-2015, 10:53 AM

a very sloppy NY Post op-ed didn't show the DOJ report to be skewed, IMHO. how is it skewed, TSA?

how would you spin this for the City of Ferguson and the Ferguson PD?

Winehole23

03-11-2015, 10:54 AM

not that you are spinning for them -- you're just arguing the other side as an intellectual exercise, right?

TheSanityAnnex

03-11-2015, 11:35 AM

not that you are spinning for them -- you're just arguing the other side as an intellectual exercise, right?

I've already said my piece FPD

That DOJ report was damning. I couldn't believe some of the statements directly from the Ferguson PD to the DOJ investigators basically saying this is how they were trained.

I just posted a link to add to discussion, I don't necessarily take the DOJ report at face value, that does not mean I don't see the corruptness.

DarrinS

03-11-2015, 12:07 PM

"hands up, don't shoot" is still a lie tho

TheSanityAnnex

03-11-2015, 12:11 PM

"hands up, don't shoot" is still a lie tho

Agreed. And it is sickening to still see prominent figures pushing that narrative.

boutons_deux

03-11-2015, 12:58 PM

Agreed. And it is sickening to still see prominent figures pushing that narrative.

If not LITERALLY true about Ferguson (which was saturated with police lies. We didn't get to hear Brown's story, or any vids), it symbolizes EXACTLY what blacks experience daily (naked black unarmed nutcase murdered this week, etc, etc,etc).

TheSanityAnnex

03-11-2015, 01:59 PM

If not LITERALLY true about Ferguson (which was saturated with police lies. We didn't get to hear Brown's story, or any vids), it symbolizes EXACTLY what blacks experience daily (naked black unarmed nutcase murdered this week, etc, etc,etc).
If it's not literally true it is a lie. Blacks in Ferguson are not shot daily with their hands up saying don't shoot

FuzzyLumpkins

03-11-2015, 04:29 PM

If it's not literally true it is a lie. Blacks in Ferguson are not shot daily with their hands up saying don't shoot

It's good to see you still have poor critical thinking skills in full force. Lie assumes intent. If you believe something to be true but its false anyway that does not make you a liar.

OTOH, we have your need to oversimplify things into the most basic concepts to begin to understand something.

If the prosecutor resigns in the face of civil rights abuses all of his work is jeopardized including his farce of a GJ proceeding. Good thing the DoJ investigation was done properly and is compelling.

TheSanityAnnex

03-11-2015, 04:46 PM

It's good to see you still have poor critical thinking skills in full force. Lie assumes intent. If you believe something to be true but its false anyway that does not make you a liar.

OTOH, we have your need to oversimplify things into the most basic concepts to begin to understand something.

If the prosecutor resigns in the face of civil rights abuses all of his work is jeopardized including his farce of a GJ proceeding. Good thing the DoJ investigation was done properly and is compelling.

The hands up don't shoot narrative was a known lie spread with intent. Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit.

FuzzyLumpkins

03-11-2015, 10:15 PM

The hands up don't shoot narrative was a known lie spread with intent. Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit.

That is a broad brush you stroke to beat up those strawmen.

Given the rampant excessive use of force against minorities and the double standards and conflict of interest of the courts there is plenty good reasons to find the story plausible. You never have been able to wrap your mind around or respect the extent of the corruption of the government and law enforcement in Ferguson.

TheSanityAnnex

03-11-2015, 10:21 PM

That is a broad brush you stroke to beat up those strawmen.

Given the rampant excessive use of force against minorities and the double standards and conflict of interest of the courts there is plenty good reasons to find the story plausible. You never have been able to wrap your mind around or respect the extent of the corruption of the government and law enforcement in Ferguson.

I already condemned the FPD in this very thread after reading the DOJ report dipshit. That doesn't change the hands up don't shoot lie one bit.

FuzzyLumpkins

03-11-2015, 10:37 PM

I already condemned the FPD in this very thread after reading the DOJ report dipshit. That doesn't change the hands up don't shoot lie one bit.

Your overall tone and take on things belies your statement. You want to belabor a point that has been resolved instead of looking at the substantive issues that are not.

TheSanityAnnex

03-11-2015, 10:47 PM

Your overall tone and take on things belies your statement. You want to belabor a point that has been resolved instead of looking at the substantive issues that are not.
The DOJ report and what happened between Wilson and Brown are two separate issues.

FuzzyLumpkins

03-11-2015, 10:54 PM

The DOJ report and what happened between Wilson and Brown are two separate issues.

Seeing that the DoJ report included a complete investigation into the incident, I would say you are full of shit. Further, the investigation into the police and law enforcement has everything to do with the setting in which the encounter took place and the events that followed.

I have been talking about conflict of interest and possible corruption from the start.

TheSanityAnnex

03-11-2015, 11:26 PM

Seeing that the DoJ report included a complete investigation into the incident, I would say you are full of shit. Further, the investigation into the police and law enforcement has everything to do with the setting in which the encounter took place and the events that followed.

I have been talking about conflict of interest and possible corruption from the start.
I should have been more clear. The DOJ report on FPD conduct and the DOJ investigation on Wilson/Brown were two separate issues. I can condemn the FPD and commend Wilson. Are the two investigations mutually exclusive?

FuzzyLumpkins

03-12-2015, 12:10 AM

I should have been more clear. The DOJ report on FPD conduct and the DOJ investigation on Wilson/Brown were two separate issues. I can condemn the FPD and commend Wilson. Are the two investigations mutually exclusive?

That is not what you said and what difference does it make?

Jacob1983

03-12-2015, 02:18 AM

Shit just got real! Two pigs shot!

boutons_deux

03-12-2015, 05:25 AM

Shit just got real! Two pigs shot!

no, it got real, again. Black Lives are real, too.

TheSanityAnnex

03-12-2015, 09:21 AM

That is not what you said and what difference does it make?

It is precisely what I said.

Are the two investigations mutually exclusive?

TheSanityAnnex

03-12-2015, 09:22 AM

Shit just got real! Two pigs shot!

Wouldn't surprise me if it was an AR15 and M855 used.

Nbadan

03-12-2015, 02:13 PM

Source: REUTERS

Two police officers in Ferguson, Missouri, were shot and wounded in what officials called an ambush early on Thursday, the latest spasm of violence arising from months of tension between African-Americans and the city’s mostly white police force.

The officers were treated and released from hospital, St Louis County Police said. Police Chief Jon Belmar earlier said a manhunt was under way for a suspect or suspects.

A 41-year-old officer from the St. Louis County Police was struck in the shoulder and a 32-year-old officer from the nearby Webster Groves Police Department had a bullet lodged near his ear after it passed through his cheek, Belmar said.

“This is really an ambush, is what it is,” Belmar said. “You can’t see it coming. You don’t understand that it’s going to happen.”

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/ferguson-police-officers-released-from-hospital-after-ambush/

DarrinS

03-12-2015, 02:20 PM

Source: REUTERS

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/ferguson-police-officers-released-from-hospital-after-ambush/

smh @ the comments on that site.

Example:

"Belmar's assertion that the shooters had an unfortunate association with the protesters is not valid. It owuld be just as valid to assume it was an inside job on the cops part (someone trained, to get attention and lightly wound, but not kill the 2 officers) who may have volunteered for the duty just to gain sympathy from the citizenry at large. My theory that it's an inside job (Like 9/1!!!??) is about as valid as Belmar's."

FuzzyLumpkins

03-12-2015, 02:57 PM

It is precisely what I said.

Are the two investigations mutually exclusive?

I answered the question in the beginning. Seems you are still so weak on the concept you didn't get it. Reading comprehension. i will help you and quote the answer if you need me to.

You also changed your stance to this current one. You had been saying it was not you are begging this question.

TheSanityAnnex

03-12-2015, 03:01 PM

I answered the question in the beginning. Seems you are still so weak on the concept you didn't get it. Reading comprehension. i will help you and quote the answer if you need me to.

You also changed your stance to this current one. You had been saying it was not you are begging this question.
Why is it so difficult for you to type coherent sentences? Try your last sentence again, type slowly if it helps.

FuzzyLumpkins

03-12-2015, 03:10 PM

Why is it so difficult for you to type coherent sentences? Try your last sentence again, type slowly if it helps.

now = not. it was a typo. common one too. sad you couldn't figure it out.

TheSanityAnnex

03-12-2015, 03:21 PM

Gotcha.

Now what are your questions? You are all over the place and I'm not following you.

FuzzyLumpkins

03-12-2015, 03:35 PM

Gotcha.

Now what are your questions? You are all over the place and I'm not following you.

Look at you trying to cover up your poor reading skills. In the day and age of keyboards, swype, and autocorrect your lack of ability is sad.

I will help. I didn't have a question. I was commenting on your handwaving at finished business and lack of veracity.

TheSanityAnnex

03-12-2015, 04:09 PM

Look at you trying to cover up your poor reading skills. In the day and age of keyboards, swype, and autocorrect your lack of ability is sad.

I will help. I didn't have a question. I was commenting on your handwaving at finished business and lack of veracity.

Your reading skills on full display

The DOJ report and what happened between Wilson and Brown are two separate issues.

I should have been more clear. The DOJ report on FPD conduct and the DOJ investigation on Wilson/Brown were two separate issues

That is not what you said

What did I say then? :lol

TheSanityAnnex

03-12-2015, 04:10 PM

So they are saying a handgun was used from 120 yards? 2 shots 2 hits, that's an amazing shot.

FuzzyLumpkins

03-12-2015, 05:10 PM

Your reading skills on full display

What did I say then? :lol

Again, the DoJ report included both. You sure like going around in circles repeating the same shit. i guess we can add memory to critical thinking and reading.

As for the distance, I was commenting on how in the original interview the ferguson police chief made statements that were convenient for a defense and wrong. He said the shooting took place within a few dozen yards when it was clear that it was over 120 feet away. It's been discussed at length how Wilson chased Brown for all your masturbation over shooting firearms.

This is important in light of the police chief resigning over allegations of discrimination and an initial investigation that was a travesty of justice. Again, you are trying to seperate the issues desperately but in the broader discussion they are linked particularly as to the investigation.

TheSanityAnnex

03-12-2015, 05:17 PM

Again, the DoJ report included both. You sure like going around in circles repeating the same shit. i guess we can add memory to critical thinking and reading.They were two separate investigations, which is why I can condemn the FPD and commend Wilson at the same time.

As for the distance, I was commenting on how in the original interview the ferguson police chief made statements that were convenient for a defense and wrong. He said the shooting took place within a few dozen yards when it was clear that it was over 120 feet away. It's been discussed at length how Wilson chased Brown for all your masturbation over shooting firearms.

This is important in light of the police chief resigning over allegations of discrimination and an initial investigation that was a travesty of justice. Again, you are trying to seperate the issues desperately but in the broader discussion they are linked particularly as to the investigation.

Where the fuck did this come from? :lol Please tell me this isn't in response to my 120 yards comment

CosmicCowboy

03-12-2015, 05:33 PM

Again, the DoJ report included both. You sure like going around in circles repeating the same shit. i guess we can add memory to critical thinking and reading.

As for the distance, I was commenting on how in the original interview the ferguson police chief made statements that were convenient for a defense and wrong. He said the shooting took place within a few dozen yards when it was clear that it was over 120 feet away. It's been discussed at length how Wilson chased Brown for all your masturbation over shooting firearms.

This is important in light of the police chief resigning over allegations of discrimination and an initial investigation that was a travesty of justice. Again, you are trying to seperate the issues desperately but in the broader discussion they are linked particularly as to the investigation.

I'm not sure how the chief using the term "a few dozen yards" is a confusing statement to people literate in basic math. 120 feet is 3.3 dozen yards. I think most rational people would agree that 3.3 is a "few"

TheSanityAnnex

03-12-2015, 05:39 PM

I'm not sure how the chief using the term "a few dozen yards" is a confusing statement to people literate in basic math. 120 feet is 3.3 dozen yards. I think most rational people would agree that 3.3 is a "few"

He clearly should have said a few dozen yards, and a few more.

FuzzyLumpkins

03-12-2015, 05:54 PM

I misspoke it was a few dozen feet. He said it was within 35 feet which matches what is in their cop handbook. The body was 120+ from the car door.

TheSanityAnnex

03-12-2015, 06:39 PM

I misspoke it was a few dozen feet. He said it was within 35 feet which matches what is in their cop handbook. The body was 120+ from the car door.
:lmao chief said he misspoke too :lmao

FuzzyLumpkins

03-12-2015, 07:23 PM

:lmao chief said he misspoke too :lmao

Not that I have seen.

TheSanityAnnex

03-12-2015, 08:35 PM

Not that I have seen.
It'd be easy to find if those two cops in Ferg weren't shot yesterday.

FuzzyLumpkins

03-12-2015, 09:31 PM

It'd be easy to find if those two cops in Ferg weren't shot yesterday.

excuses are like assholes and learn to filter by date.

Winehole23

03-13-2015, 01:09 PM

So they are saying a handgun was used from 120 yards? 2 shots 2 hits, that's an amazing shot.yep

Winehole23

03-13-2015, 01:10 PM

so much for blaming it on the demonstrators

Winehole23

03-13-2015, 01:49 PM

the officers were very lucky: both were discharged from the hospital within a few hours.

By late morning, both men had been released from the hospital, according to St. Louis County police spokesman Brian Schellman.

Read More at: http://www.local12.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/Two-officers-shot-outside-Ferguson-police-headquarters-101896.shtml

TheSanityAnnex

03-13-2015, 02:03 PM

so much for blaming it on the demonstrators
Did you hear the horn blow right before the two shots? Wonder if it was coincidence or a planned warning.

Winehole23

03-13-2015, 02:07 PM

you've already made up your mind, obviously. whatever fits the preexisting narrative, must be the truth.

TheSanityAnnex

03-13-2015, 02:31 PM

you've already made up your mind, obviously. whatever fits the preexisting narrative, must be the truth.
What a stupid assumption.

Winehole23

03-13-2015, 02:39 PM

your mind went straight to an alleged co-conspirator in the crowd. some protestor with a noisemaker. couldn't possibly have been a coincidence...

TheSanityAnnex

03-13-2015, 02:53 PM

your mind went straight to an alleged co-conspirator in the crowd. some protestor with a noisemaker. couldn't possibly have been a coincidence...
You been day drinking? Did you miss where I said coincidence?

Winehole23

03-13-2015, 02:56 PM

or a planned warning. your bs is so transparent.

Winehole23

03-13-2015, 02:58 PM

your quotation of me in your reply frames the whole thing. please don't play dumb: we're all smarter than that.

TheSanityAnnex

03-13-2015, 03:04 PM

or a planned warning. your bs is so transparent.
Yeah no shit I said that too. It isn't far fetched.

TheSanityAnnex

03-13-2015, 03:05 PM

your quotation of me in your reply frames the whole thing. please don't play dumb: we're all smarter than that.
:lol What the fuck?

FuzzyLumpkins

03-13-2015, 04:56 PM

Did you hear the horn blow right before the two shots? Wonder if it was coincidence or a planned warning.

This is straight up WC wishful thinking material. just try and will your preferred outcome into being. fucking simpletons.

FuzzyLumpkins

03-13-2015, 04:58 PM

Yeah no shit I said that too. It isn't far fetched.

I don't think you have any clue what far-fetched means. Not surprising really. When you pull something out of your ass with no proof then it is far fetched, wishful thinking, WC jr.

TheSanityAnnex

03-13-2015, 05:39 PM

This is straight up WC wishful thinking material. just try and will your preferred outcome into being. fucking simpletons.
You and whinehole are assuming a lot here and look extremely foolish. I don't have a preferred outcome. for shits and giggles let me know what you think my preferred outcome is.

FuzzyLumpkins

03-14-2015, 04:37 PM

You and whinehole are assuming a lot here and look extremely foolish. I don't have a preferred outcome. for shits and giggles let me know what you think my preferred outcome is.

you wish that your made up story about a diversion was true. this should not be difficult. you were making up stories for Zimmerman too. anytime a firearm is used to 'prevent a crime' you instantly picture yourself as the shooter and aggrandize them. you would have supported the national guard in kent state and selma too.

boutons_deux

03-14-2015, 06:40 PM

my preferred outcome is.

dead n!gg@s and exonerated, trigger-happy cops

DarrinS

03-14-2015, 06:52 PM

Lol, boutons and Fuzzy. Two peas in a pod.

TheSanityAnnex

03-15-2015, 06:30 PM

you wish that your made up story about a diversion was true. this should not be difficult. you were making up stories for Zimmerman too. anytime a firearm is used to 'prevent a crime' you instantly picture yourself as the shooter and aggrandize them. you would have supported the national guard in kent state and selma too.
I didn't make any story up about a diversion you are losing it fuzzy. Link to these made up stories for Zimmerman as well.

They caught the the cop shooter, not surprising it was an African American regular protestor.

Winehole23

03-16-2015, 10:27 AM

Milwaukee sheriff David Clarke is wrong, and contemptibly so, to blame the Justice Department’s report on Ferguson for having “fueled this cop hatred, this anti-police sentiment, that’s going on in America.” This sort of view seems to be widely held on the right, with many people dismissing the Ferguson report’s criticisms as spurious. Having now read the report myself, I think, to the contrary, that anyone who cares about protecting citizens from abusive and arbitrary officialdom should — whatever else he may think of Eric Holder’s tenure as attorney general — be grateful that the report exists.

Here are the main points I’ve taken away from it: Ferguson police officers have routinely violated constitutional rights and engaged in conduct that is, by any reasonable standard, appalling.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/415349/ferguson-report-and-right-jason-lee-steorts

Winehole23

03-16-2015, 10:28 AM

It’s true that disparate impact is not proof of racism. But the standard conservative argument about disparate impact — i.e., that black people are stopped, arrested, incarcerated, etc. at higher rates than the general population because of racial differences in crime rates — simply does not refute some of the statistical evidence in the report. For example, black drivers were twice as likely to receive a citation during a traffic stop than white drivers — after regression analysis was used to control for, among other things, “the stated reason the stop was initiated.” You can’t easily explain this disparity away by suggesting that black people were committing more traffic violations: They were more likely to get tickets than were white drivers who got pulled over for the very same reason. (You could, I suppose, speculate that black drivers were more likely to commit multiple infractions only one of which was documented as the reason for the stop. I know of no data suggesting that this is true, and the speculation seems a little desperate.)

same

Winehole23

03-16-2015, 10:30 AM

It’s unfortunate, the way news is consumed and interpreted in the age of twitter. Everyone feels tremendous pressure to form an opinion quickly and state it loudly and with certainty. Once this has been done, people are highly resistant to changing their minds and they become impervious to new evidence, often dismissing out of hand outright facts just because they are reported by a given source (e.g., “the media is untrustworthy” or “you can’t trust the Holder Department of Justice.”) Perhaps nowhere has this phenomenon been more obvious (or regrettable) than in Ferguson, Missouri, in the wake of the shooting death of Michael Brown. Interpreting the news out of Ferguson has become a part of ideological tribalism in which, if you are a conservative you stand for the Ferguson PD and if you are a liberal you stand against them. Thus, liberals have become highly resistant to assimilating information that strongly suggests that “hands up, don’t shoot” never happened. Conservatives, on the other hand, have become highly resistant to assimilating information that strongly suggests that the Ferguson PD – as with many other municipal police departments in the country – truly is out of control, in that it recklessly violates the constitutional rights of the citizens of Ferguson and does so in a manner that has a clearly disproportionate impact on minorities.http://www.redstate.com/2015/03/15/many-conservatives-blowing-it-ferguson-doj-report/

Winehole23

03-16-2015, 10:46 AM

I didn't make any story up about a diversion you are losing it fuzzy. Link to these made up stories for Zimmerman as well.

They caught the the cop shooter, not surprising it was an African American regular protestor.you're parroting the police spokesman. the details are murkier than you suggest.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/police-suspect-arrested-in-shooting-of-two-officers-in-ferguson/2015/03/15/eb3140c2-cb38-11e4-8a46-b1dc9be5a8ff_story.html

Trill Clinton

03-16-2015, 12:13 PM

he was NOT a regular protestor. none of the regular protestors have ever seen that guy before. he isn't from ferguson.

not only were the cops lives at jeopardy, so were the protesters. the alleged shooter, shot from a car over 125 yards away and could have easily struck one of the protestors. but for whatever reason, those bullets struck two officers.

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CosmicCowboy

03-16-2015, 12:15 PM

I didn't make any story up about a diversion you are losing it fuzzy. Link to these made up stories for Zimmerman as well.

They caught the the cop shooter, not surprising it was an African American regular protestor.

Gotta hand it to him...muthafucker can shoot. 100 yards away and a head shot with a .40 pistol?

His story is hilarious. He says he fired the shots but wasn't shooting at the cops. Said he was getting mugged by another protester and fired two warning shots...which accidentally hit the cops.

TheSanityAnnex

03-16-2015, 01:21 PM

http://www.redstate.com/2015/03/15/many-conservatives-blowing-it-ferguson-doj-report/

You'll get lol'd for the redstate link

TheSanityAnnex

03-16-2015, 01:33 PM

Winehole23

03-16-2015, 05:20 PM

You'll get lol'd for the redstate linkwho laughed? I also linked NR.

cd021

03-17-2015, 11:06 AM

Of course they are going to say he wasn't a protestor. Too bad other protestors have already said they had seen him protesting before.

several months before so he wasn't a regular protestor.

Winehole23

03-17-2015, 11:25 AM

TSA wants to criminalize protected political speech. That's the point of demonizing protestors and protest.

TheSanityAnnex

03-17-2015, 11:56 AM

TSA wants to criminalize protected political speech. That's the point of demonizing protestors and protest.

I've got nothing against the Ferguson protestors, you've been pulling a lot of shit out of your ass lately.

FuzzyLumpkins

03-18-2015, 01:42 AM

I've got nothing against the Ferguson protestors, you've been pulling a lot of shit out of your ass lately.

I'm pretty sure his point is that regardless of your intent, what youre doing is what it is. You are trying to conflate the gunman with the protest movement.

It's also pretty apparent that you identify yourself with the cops and shooters in these incidents. Your defensive reflexes speak to that.

Winehole23

03-18-2015, 03:14 AM

I've got nothing against the Ferguson protestors, you've been pulling a lot of shit out of your ass lately.you said what you said. I know you'd like to run away from it but you can't.

TheSanityAnnex

03-18-2015, 12:43 PM

I'm pretty sure his point is that regardless of your intent, what youre doing is what it is. You are trying to conflate the gunman with the protest movement.

It's also pretty apparent that you identify yourself with the cops and shooters in these incidents. Your defensive reflexes speak to that.

Williams protested, he was part of the protest movement.

TheSanityAnnex

03-18-2015, 12:43 PM

you said what you said. I know you'd like to run away from it but you can't.

sure thing

CosmicCowboy

03-18-2015, 12:55 PM

Just curious how one qualifies as a 'regular" protester. Is it two protests? ten protests? Do they have a protester time clock they punch?

Dirk Oneanddoneski

03-18-2015, 02:36 PM

Just curious how one qualifies as a 'regular" protester. Is it two protests? ten protests? Do they have a protester time clock they punch?

Probably the ones that are paid employees of George Soros

The Washington Times today featured a lengthy piece on the funding of the Ferguson Negro rebellion in Ferguson. Surprisingly to absolutely no one, one of the key backers is the billionaire Jew George Soros.
Soros has long used his billions to fund Marxist revolutions across the planet via a complex network of NGOs and other not-for-profit groups, the most prominent of which are moveon.org and the Open Society Foundation.
The Times conducted a series of interviews and reviewed financial records to find that the protest structure of the Ferguson riots was years in the making.
The paper claims that the wily Jew terrorist gave at least $33,000,000 in one year to support established “grassroots” organizations that were acting on the ground to bring down the system. These findings were based on publicly available tax records from his OSF, but the Jew weasel was probably using harder to trace means to put extra shekels into these riots.

The Times is literally saying that without Soros’ funding, there would have been no revolutionary Negro movement formed in Ferguson.
Soros-sponsored organizations helped mobilize protests in Ferguson, building grass-roots coalitions on the ground backed by a nationwide online and social media campaign.
Other Soros-funded groups made it their job to remotely monitor and exploit anything related to the incident that they could portray as a conservative misstep, and to develop academic research and editorials to disseminate to the news media to keep the story alive.
The plethora of organizations involved not only shared Mr. Soros‘ funding, but they also fed off each other, using content and buzzwords developed by one organization on another’s website, referencing each other’s news columns and by creating a social media echo chamber of Facebook “likes” and Twitter hashtags that dominated the mainstream media and personal online newsfeeds.
Buses of activists from the Samuel Dewitt Proctor Conference in Chicago; from the Drug Policy Alliance, Make the Road New York and Equal Justice USA from New York; from Sojourners, the Advancement Project and Center for Community Change in Washington; and networks from the Gamaliel Foundation — all funded in part by Mr. Soros — descended on Ferguson starting in August and later organized protests and gatherings in the city until late last month.
So here you very literally have a Jew funding a violent revolution inside of your country, outright.
This is truly incredible. How can anyone possibly justify this? This has been one of the worst disasters in American history (or rather, it is the beginnings of what might indeed be the worst ever), and it was caused by a Jew deciding he wanted a revolution in order to further break down our social order.

FuzzyLumpkins

03-18-2015, 07:32 PM

Williams protested, he was part of the protest movement.

I've heard about the council woman and quite a few preachers that were ostensibly leaders for the protests in the st louis area. Of course you have Brown's family and neighbors who held vigil for a pretty long time. There have been several groups from St Louis, NY, and elsewhere that would get on social media and plan the civil disobedience stunts. There are several legal reform groups in Wisconsin and Oregon mainly too. He related to any of those people by anything more than him showing up at some point?

I like to think youre lazy but sometimes ffs.

Winehole23

03-19-2015, 02:07 AM

sure thingyou're transparent. you're a parrot of corrupt law enforcement, against aggrieved citizenry.

Winehole23

03-19-2015, 02:09 AM

faith in force, against putatively free citizens.

TheSanityAnnex

03-19-2015, 12:10 PM

I've heard about the council woman and quite a few preachers that were ostensibly leaders for the protests in the st louis area. Of course you have Brown's family and neighbors who held vigil for a pretty long time. There have been several groups from St Louis, NY, and elsewhere that would get on social media and plan the civil disobedience stunts. There are several legal reform groups in Wisconsin and Oregon mainly too. He related to any of those people by anything more than him showing up at some point?

I like to think youre lazy but sometimes ffs.Of course there were positive people doing positive things regarding the protests, but you can't dismiss the rioters and looters and cop shooters as if they were not a part of the protest movement.

TheSanityAnnex

03-19-2015, 12:12 PM

you're transparent. you're a parrot of corrupt law enforcement, against aggrieved citizenry.

You're senile, I already condemned the corrupt Ferguson police department.

FuzzyLumpkins

03-20-2015, 02:06 AM

Of course there were positive people doing positive things regarding the protests, but you can't dismiss the rioters and looters and cop shooters as if they were not a part of the protest movement.

That wasn't my point and you didn't answer the question. In other words for all you know he wasn't involved with any groups in the protest but instead want to paint them withe broadest brush possible so you can conflate the good with the bad. That there was a mob element wasn't lost on anyone.

TheSanityAnnex

03-20-2015, 02:35 PM

That wasn't my point and you didn't answer the question. In other words for all you know he wasn't involved with any groups in the protest but instead want to paint them withe broadest brush possible so you can conflate the good with the bad. That there was a mob element wasn't lost on anyone.
I can't answer that question for the same reason you can not answer if he was a part of them. We just don't know. We do know he was at the protest that night as there are pictures and video of him there at the protest before the shooting.

FuzzyLumpkins

03-20-2015, 03:59 PM

I can't answer that question for the same reason you can not answer if he was a part of them. We just don't know. We do know he was at the protest that night as there are pictures and video of him there at the protest before the shooting.

Saying you don't know is answering the question, dimwit. I never said 'answer the question correctly or die!"

Thank you for making my point. You don't know that they were linked to anything legitimate.

TheSanityAnnex

03-20-2015, 04:23 PM

Saying you don't know is answering the question, dimwit. I never said 'answer the question correctly or die!"

Thank you for making my point. You don't know that they were linked to anything legitimate.

It doesn't matter if Williams was linked to anything legitimate because I never painted the entirety of the protest movement as illegitimate, even though lol hands up don't shoot.

Williams was a Ferguson protestor who shot 2 police officers, that is not up for debate.

FuzzyLumpkins

03-20-2015, 08:46 PM

It doesn't matter if Williams was linked to anything legitimate because I never painted the entirety of the protest movement as illegitimate, even though lol hands up don't shoot.

Williams was a Ferguson protestor who shot 2 police officers, that is not up for debate.

You're not credible. You have been so obviously pro-shooter and always paint the deceased and those who support them negatively. You are doing this here as well.

You remind me of Darrin with this tactic.

TheSanityAnnex

03-20-2015, 08:57 PM

You're not credible. You have been so obviously pro-shooter and always paint the deceased and those who support them negatively. You are doing this here as well.

You remind me of Darrin with this tactic.
Nice to see you finally concede the point that Williams was in fact a protestor and did in fact shoot two cops.

In the case of Mike Brown of course I'm pro-shooter. That piece of shit deserved it and the DOJ said as much.

http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdf

You look foolish with your head in the sand still believing hands up don't shoot. It's embarrassing.

FuzzyLumpkins

03-21-2015, 11:25 PM

Nice to see you finally concede the point that Williams was in fact a protestor and did in fact shoot two cops.

In the case of Mike Brown of course I'm pro-shooter. That piece of shit deserved it and the DOJ said as much.

http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdf

You look foolish with your head in the sand still believing hands up don't shoot. It's embarrassing.

I've expressed uncertainty pretty much the entire way. I don't know who that man actually associated with for all of his joining a crowd. My interest has been legal reform of the cop bill of rights bullshit.

I didn't trust the police so I guess I can wave my hands in self congratulation with your link as well. What is important to you in these discussions is petty.

I worry about oppression and you are interested in making sure you can keep your guns.

CosmicCowboy

03-22-2015, 11:13 AM

It doesn't matter if Williams was linked to anything legitimate because I never painted the entirety of the protest movement as illegitimate, even though lol hands up don't shoot.

Williams was a Ferguson protestor who shot 2 police officers, that is not up for debate.

Williams didn't attend six meetings and get his official "Ferguson Protester" ID badge so in fuzzys fuzzybrain he couldn't possibly be a legitimate protester.

TheSanityAnnex

03-22-2015, 12:13 PM

I've expressed uncertainty pretty much the entire way. I don't know who that man actually associated with for all of his joining a crowd. My interest has been legal reform of the cop bill of rights bullshit.

I didn't trust the police so I guess I can wave my hands in self congratulation with your link as well. What is important to you in these discussions is petty.

I worry about oppression and you are interested in making sure you can keep your guns.
He was a protestor who associated with other protestors as evidenced by his social media.

So now Holder's DOJ report that clearly justifies Wilson's use of force has a conflict of interest? Lol

Mike Brown has no bearing on my guns, that one came out of left field. "Worrying" about oppression doesn't do shit, be proactive in your life for once and try to inact change if it bothers you so much. Put on your SJW cape and get yourself out there.