Josh Smith?

[Mr Bones]

Detroit. 5-0.

[itzsoweezee]

He played great off the bench for the Rockets. I'd still take him over Daye, Ayres, and Baynes.

[Sean Cagney]

He played great off the bench for the Rockets. I'd still take him over Daye, Ayres, and Baynes.
I would take anyone over those bums man, thats not saying much.

[aussie91]

This guy would be terrible for team chemistry and is a complete knucklehead has the basketball iq of a snail

[Mr Bones]

Smith is 1-9 from three point land since joining the Rockets... For his entire career, he is under 28% from the three point line and has over 1200 attempts. Nothing defines his low BBIQ better than that. If he played for Popovich, you can bet the first instruction he'd get would be "No more threes." How he has been allowed to keep shooting them his entire career when he is clearly no good at it is a mystery. Come playoff time, teams will back off of him, daring him to shoot threes... and you know what? He'll shoot them. That's why you don't want him on your team in the playoffs.

[Calispursfan11]

Smith sucks.

[kobyz]

All those things saying about josh smith were said in the past also about antoine walker and then he bring a title to the heat, him and brewer are great signs for the rockets, why r.c. was sleeping?

[Sean Cagney]

All those things saying about josh smith were said in the past also about antoine walker and then he bring a title to the heat, him and brewer are great signs for the rockets, why r.c. was sleeping?

Walker brought a title to the Heat??? I could have sworn Wade had 34ppg in those f:rolleyesinals...

[Ice009]

Walker brought a title to the Heat??? I could have sworn Wade had 34ppg in those f:rolleyesinals...

Actually, the Spurs getting hosed against Dallas is what bought that title. Dallas got exactly what they deserved in those finals. As for the finals themselves, like SC said above, Wade had a little bit more to do with it than Walker.

[Sean Cagney]

Actually, the Spurs getting hosed against Dallas is what bought that title. Dallas got exactly what they deserved in those finals. As for the finals themselves, like SC said above, Wade had a little bit more to do with it than Walker.

I still remember some of those GOD awful calls in that series, Finleys tech rescinded later on and we lost in OT, so POP says we win a point then right? Big deal throwing salt on the wound later taking away a tech after a game we lost in OT. Tim Duncan fouling out by stepping on Dirks foot I remember too, do not get me started on that series man.

[Phenomanul]

I still remember some of those GOD awful calls in that series, Finleys tech rescinded later on and we lost in OT, so POP says we win a point then right? Big deal throwing salt on the wound later taking away a tech after a game we lost in OT. Tim Duncan fouling out by stepping on Dirks foot I remember too, do not get me started on that series man.

You mean when Dirk stepped on Duncan's foot... and yet Duncan still picked up the foul...

[Sean Cagney]

You mean when Dirk stepped on Duncan's foot... and yet Duncan still picked up the foul...

Oh yeah!!! We did not have Tim in OT after that one, great call there. Refs were horrible that series. Charles after the game said NBA refs suck on TNT. I remember well.

[Ice009]

Oh yeah!!! We did not have Tim in OT after that one, great call there. Refs were horrible that series. Charles after the game said NBA refs suck on TNT. I remember well.

It was an uncoordinated drive by Dirk, and he stepped on Tim's foot and Tim fouled out in a game that he was dominating to that point. Manu also fouled out in the game before or after. Both were kicking ass in those games and both fouled out late in the 4th quarter of games in Dallas that went down to the wire.

Dallas got exactly what they deserved in those finals. Getting screwed over by the refs, just like we did earlier against them.

[midnightpulp]

9-16 for 18 points and 3 steals in 21 minutes of action thus far against the Bulls on the road.

[Mr Bones]

1-5 from 3 point line... why does he keep shooting them??

-19 for game. Worst +/- on team. He's not a winner, plain and simple.

[Mr Bones]

Since being waived by Detroit, Smith is 2-14 on threes (low IQ, low IQ, low IQ), and Houston is 3-3.

Detroit is 5-0.

[Sean Cagney]

It was an uncoordinated drive by Dirk, and he stepped on Tim's foot and Tim fouled out in a game that he was dominating to that point. Manu also fouled out in the game before or after. Both were kicking ass in those games and both fouled out late in the 4th quarter of games in Dallas that went down to the wire.

Dallas got exactly what they deserved in those finals. Getting screwed over by the refs, just like we did earlier against them.
Quiet as kept Tim Duncan said that was the best series he every played! He had the bad foot and still made time to dominate his rivals and average around 34 PPG and shot a very high PCT. in that series! He was one of a kind that series on that hurt foot and just played better than I had seen him ever before, he dominated that series. I wish the Spurs won that series man, down 3-1 and come all the way back to win a game 7 they were down 20 plus in, all the cards against you and you pull that off? That would have been epic, it seemed destined as well for a few minutes and they were going to do it. I remember that whole series Ice, one of the ones I will never forget and for some reason it sticks out more than most series I have watched because of all the story lines.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

Quiet as kept Tim Duncan said that was the best series he every played! He had the bad foot and still made time to dominate his rivals and average around 34 PPG and shot a very high PCT. in that series! He was one of a kind that series on that hurt foot and just played better than I had seen him ever before, he dominated that series. I wish the Spurs won that series man, down 3-1 and come all the way back to win a game 7 they were down 20 plus in, all the cards against you and you pull that off? That would have been epic, it seemed destined as well for a few minutes and they were going to do it. I remember that whole series Ice, one of the ones I will never forget and for some reason it sticks out more than most series I have watched because of all the story lines.

Other than the Heat debacle, this was the other one that truly got away. Spurs easily steamroll the Heat that year in the 2006 Finals...

[Sean Cagney]

Other than the Heat debacle, this was the other one that truly got away. Spurs easily steamroll the Heat that year in the 2006 Finals...

Oh yeah! No doubt they don't choke like Dallas did. Dallas was killing them and basically up 3-0 and on their way to the title but blew that game 3 and then the rest was history. Phoenix without Amare that year gets steamrolled by the Spurs again as well, that would have been an easy series tbh. Spurs would have won the title that year, that I am confident of. 2004 you can say Detroit might have edged them and 08 Boston might have gotten the Spurs (Probably TBH), but that 06 was the SPURS threepeat! Atleast repeat if they do not go on to win in 07, but that was their repeat and 06 is one that truly got away. The Spurs have 7 titles and a threepeat if they win those two you mention, Duncan has more rings than Jordan does and let me stop there as it was that close. A shot here or there defined it, just one shot or two.

[Mel_13]

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[FaM0us Skins]

Hell no Josh Smith is garbage.

[Mr Bones]

The one drawback for the Pistons in this might be the showcasing of Greg Monroe, leading to more offers this summer when he's a free agent. If the Pistons continue to win and Monroe can show he's not a defensive liability, it will drive up his asking price.

[exstatic]

The one drawback for the Pistons in this might be the showcasing of Greg Monroe, leading to more offers this summer when he's a free agent. If the Pistons continue to win and Monroe can show he's not a defensive liability, it will drive up his asking price.

Monroe is unrestricted. He can sign with any team he wants, and that likely will NOT be Detroit. There is a really poor track record for players who accept their year 5 QO signing with their previous team. There's usually pretty bad blood from two years of failed extension/new contract negotiations.

[ChumpDumper]

All those things saying about josh smith were said in the past also about antoine walker and then he bring a title to the heat, him and brewer are great signs for the rockets, why r.c. was sleeping?crofl

[lefty]

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[JohnnyMax]

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[TampaDude]

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That graphic says it all. Josh Smith really was a two-ton anchor around the necks of the Pistons. Just...wow...

[benefactor]

We've got the MLE, I'd take him at $3m for the rest of the season.

He's no worse a headcase than Stephen Jackson and Pop was happy to bring him back and waive him when necessary. Exactly the same for Smith, I don't see much downside unless we expect a better player to be waived for whom we should save the MLE.


He would make them better because he'd obviously come off the bench for those teams. Come on now.


I understand all the reservations expressed here, but I still think most contenders are gonna take a shot at this considering how high reward/low risk it is potentially.

I don't put such supreme faith in SVG that I think his failing proves Josh Smith is unsalvageable. I put far more faith in Pop and Chip than that fattie, he's got his hands full with that whole mess of a team and it was just his first year in Detroit. Someone like Pop or Thibs could shake something of value out of Smith, and if not, bench/cut him.


I'd be on board for trying with the MLE.

Josh Smith has sucked for the last 2 years in Detroit, but his RAPM numbers pointed to him as elite in previous years. When his head is 57% screwed on, as it was in Atlanta, He is/was really good. He hasn't been that guy this year, as a Kobe system player with a worse shot that Kobe has, but he'd still probably be an upgrade on a roster spot from Daye.

Best case for Daye is that he has 1 good game out of 10, rides the bench and is happy.

Smith might partially recapture Atlanta form, and that guy could play in the Weird Diaw/big/Manu/Marco/Mills lineups as the second big. He has the passing skills to fit in.


We can use him, we need some juice with the lackluster play of us this season after winning the title...


Yes I have and he's better than Ayres, Daye and Bonner. But again, he isn't a fit for this team but may be a nice add for a contender off the bench.


Wouldn't be the first head case the team signed. Dudes talented and knows how to play the right way, even though he usually doesn't
. What more do you want from a min guy?


Typical ST when asked if a former all star can join the team...

"No thanks."
"Nope, he's not European and soft"
"No he's black and can get his own shot"

.... We have Jeff Ayres, Matt Bonner, Austin Daye, and a declining Diaw. Wtf you mean we don't need a backup PF? Josh Smith still plays defense and rebounds. Josh Smith is a guy we can play when the Big 3 is out, he won't be a starter in the playoffs so chill the fuck out. We have the full MLE, and he's not a bad 3rd/4th big if Chip Engelland can work with him.
7-0

:lol

[100%duncan]

7-0

:lol

I don't know, could've gotten the guy for the minimum and if he fucked up waived him right away. Not defending anyone esp Smith since he's a shit basketball player but yah you get the point.

[Mr Bones]

If a coach just sat Smith down and told him he absolutely could not shoot threes anymore, it would improve his game significantly. Tell him if he shoots a three, he's out of the game, period. I'm not a fan of his game at all, but it's mind-boggling that he is 1. still allowed to put up threes at all, and 2. still too stupid to realize he shouldn't shoot them.

[Mr Bones]

Monroe is unrestricted. He can sign with any team he wants, and that likely will NOT be Detroit. There is a really poor track record for players who accept their year 5 QO signing with their previous team. There's usually pretty bad blood from two years of failed extension/new contract negotiations.

I agree-- generally that's true, but word last summer was that Monroe's agent was trying to get Detroit to trade Josh Smith because Greg didn't like him as a teammate. Monroe later denied those rumors, but I'm guessing that was only for diplomatic reasons... so if Smith was in fact the main reason for his unhappiness there, maybe this becomes a different case, especially if he views it as the Pistons making a big move specifically for him.

[Malik Hairston]

If a coach just sat Smith down and told him he absolutely could not shoot threes anymore, it would improve his game significantly. Tell him if he shoots a three, he's out of the game, period. I'm not a fan of his game at all, but it's mind-boggling that he is 1. still allowed to put up threes at all, and 2. still too stupid to realize he shouldn't shoot them.

:lol you really think Smith has never had a coach tell him to stop shooting 3s?

[Mr Bones]

Tell him if he shoots a three, he's out of the game, period.


:lol you really think Smith has never had a coach tell him to stop shooting 3s?

Obviously not a coach who really laid down the law.

[jeebus]

Get him for the minimum, why not

[stephen jackson]

damn this nigga really sucks huge balls
and i loved him in atl, dude is a black hole

[ducks]

Lol

[exstatic]

damn this nigga really sucks huge balls
and i loved him in atl, dude is a black hole

He always has been. Atlanta let him walk, and with essentially the same team, minus Smoove, made the playoffs the next year. Don't believe the NBA media hype. Most credentialed NBA media are dumb as posts.

[Mr Bones]

Since Smith changed teams:

Rockets: 9-7

Pistons: 12-3

Before the change:

Rockets: 20-7

Pistons: 5-23

[BillMc]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6jKOrSCAAI2n-6.jpg:large
:rollin

[Mr Bones]

Turns out it hasn't been a "low risk" move for the Rockets, as so many here said. It might cost them HCA in the first round of the playoffs.

[Mel_13]

Since Smith changed teams:

Rockets: 9-7

Pistons: 12-3

Before the change:

Rockets: 20-7

Pistons: 5-23

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[hater]

:lol

[Mr Bones]

Good signing for a team that needs a PF at minimal risk..




His numbers in Detroit are largely irrelevant, as that team is severely lacking in talent, so I wouldn't judge him on that, but rather on style of play and history..


It's a great move for Houston regardless, they have nothing to lose, especially if Jones doesn't return..


If Josh Smith adds value to a team, why didn't Detroit improve at all after he went there? They were 29-53 they year before he got there, and had the exact same record in Smith's first season, in the weak eastern conference. They improved slightly the year before Smith got there-- and with a young Drummond and Monroe, doesn't it make sense that they'd get at least a tiny bit better with a new athletic defender? If anything, he was so bad that he negated the growth of Detroit's young players to put them back at 29 wins. That's why I think adding him only appears attractive, but is actually a case of subtraction instead of addition.


If a coach just sat Smith down and told him he absolutely could not shoot threes anymore, it would improve his game significantly. Tell him if he shoots a three, he's out of the game, period. I'm not a fan of his game at all, but it's mind-boggling that he is 1. still allowed to put up threes at all, and 2. still too stupid to realize he shouldn't shoot them.


:lol you really think Smith has never had a coach tell him to stop shooting 3s?


:lol you really think a player who has disobeyed his coaches literally hundreds of times is a "good signing" and a "great move?"

[Malik Hairston]

:lol you really think a player who has disobeyed his coaches literally hundreds of times is a "good signing" and a "great move?"

Why don't you quote my other Josh Smith posts? I said he's a bad player on the decline:lol..I also said he's not as good as Terrance Jones, too..cherry-picking quotes..

It's still a good signing for Houston, they barely paid anything..

[exstatic]

Why don't you quote my other Josh Smith posts? I said he's a bad player on the decline:lol..I also said he's not as good as Terrance Jones, too..cherry-picking quotes..

It's still a good signing for Houston, they barely paid anything..
If I pay $1 for 10 lbs of rotten hamburger, I haven't paid much, either. I also haven't gotten value.

[Malik Hairston]

If I pay $1 for 10 lbs of rotten hamburger, I haven't paid much, either. I also haven't gotten value.

Sure, but the Rockets were never a legit contender(especially with a declining Howard), they wanted to take a low-cost risk on somebody that could have potentially elevated them(which I didn't believe, as you could see in all my anti-Josh Smith posts)..I don't see the problem with taking the risk..

They also had/have the Terrence Jones question mark, too..he's been suffering from a mysterious injury for months now, they could have viewed Smith as nice depth..

I feel the same way about Rondo(as I repeated when the trade occurred)..he sucks, but I understand why the Mavs made the move(they didn't lose much, either)..

[Mr Bones]

Sure, but the Rockets were never a legit contender(especially with a declining Howard), they wanted to take a low-cost risk on somebody that could have potentially elevated them(which I didn't believe, as you could see in all my anti-Josh Smith posts)..I don't see the problem with taking the risk..

They also had/have the Terrence Jones question mark, too..he's been suffering from a mysterious injury for months now, they could have viewed Smith as nice depth..

I feel the same way about Rondo(as I repeated when the trade occurred)..he sucks, but I understand why the Mavs made the move(they didn't lose much, either)..

I guess I'd say adding a "bad player on the decline" who single-handedly made the Pistons much worse, and consistently makes bad decisions, and is seriously lacking in maturity is the problem with taking the risk. The Rockets were the #2 seed in the west when Smith arrived, and are now #5. They've gone from a 20-7 team (.740) without him to a 9-7 team (.560) with him. Since adding Smith, they've lost home court advantage. I'd say that's a risk that isn't paying off, regardless of the price.

[Malik Hairston]

:lol 2nd thread in a week about a washed-up, former All-Star that can't shoot..

- Why are there people that keep mentioning Ayres and Bonner? Josh Smith isn't going to accept a role as a 4th big, what the fuck?:lmao..he's known as a cancer with a massive ego, that has always been the case, you believe he's going to join a team where he's going to be a 4th fucking big man? He's not going anywhere where he doesn't receive a prominent role

- Statistically, Josh Smith's only significant impact is defensively, where he has been a high-impact player for his entire career..offensively, he has had some decent seasons, but has been on the downside the past few years, especially as the NBA has evolved to reward shooting ability and stretching the floor..

The concern with his defense is that it is on the decline(statistically), which is expected for a 29 year old(and came out of High School IIRC, so more mileage) that relies entirely on athleticism for his impact on the floor..

- Josh Smith hasn't played for a top 15 offense since he was 24 years old(at his athletic peak)..he's not the same player..still a good passer, but doesn't have any other offensive talent, nor does he have any significant ability to explode past defenders, at this point..a 29 year old player that relies entirely on athleticism and can't shoot the ball is not going to be effective:lol..

- The Pistons releasing him is a sign that he's either a cancer(which has been argued in the past), or that he's so bad that no other team was willing to trade anything for him

- So, sure, in a dream world where Josh Smith accepts a role as a 4th big that only plays defense and rebounds, he would be perfect for the Spurs..however, this is reality:lol..

He's going to end up with a team that can give him big minutes and a prominent role, or at least a contender that will give him 30 MPG+ per night..the only fringe contender that would do it in the West is Houston IMO, since Terrence Jones' status seems doubtful, and while that would be a big plus for their defense, it would kill their spacing and mass-3s strategy..there's nothing scary about Josh Smith..

Maybe the Clippers if they can promise him 30+ as a 3rd big, since both teams will desperately need defense in the playoffs and Rivers probably believes he can get to him, but again, there's nothing scary about going against a 6'9 big man with no post game or shooting ability..

A shitty team like Sacramento makes the most sense..

:lmao overrating washed-up scrubs, tbh..

[DrunkTXLabrat]

If I pay $1 for 10 lbs of rotten hamburger, I haven't paid much, either. I also haven't gotten value.

10 lbs of rotten hamburger could be fertilizer.

[Malik Hairston]

Damn, my nigga Great Yacht was fiending for Josh Smith in a Spurs uniform, tbh:lol..ugh..

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Christ, 7 pages on an inefficient scrub that has no chance in hell to make the spurs?

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Damn, my nigga Great Yacht was fiending for Josh Smith in a Spurs uniform, tbh:lol..ugh..
Shameful

[dabom]

Damn, my nigga Great Yacht was fiending for Josh Smith in a Spurs uniform, tbh:lol..ugh..

:lol that dude has terrible takes.

[Malik Hairston]

:lol that dude has terrible takes.

He's a good poster, tbh, but his homerism blinds him..I used to be a big fan of his trolling of Manu after the 2013 playoffs, he was really effective, but he's become a little too one-dimensional..

[Clipper Nation]

:lol that dude has terrible takes.

What do you expect, he's one of those faggot player fans. Most of his takes are regurgitated from this douchebag:

http://i58.tinypic.com/scrsjk.png

He seriously thinks Enrique > Kawhi :lol

[dabom]

What do you expect, he's one of those faggot player fans. Most of his takes are regurgitated from this douchebag:

http://i58.tinypic.com/scrsjk.png

He seriously thinks Enrique > Kawhi :lol

:rollin

[bobcatfan4life]

:lol that dude has terrible takes.

Look in the mirror

[Malik Hairston]

What do you expect, he's one of those faggot player fans. Most of his takes are regurgitated from this douchebag:

http://i58.tinypic.com/scrsjk.png

He seriously thinks Enrique > Kawhi :lol

Who is that White man?:lol..

[dabom]

Look in the mirror

http://media.tumblr.com/e0a7b0c49c7f1e9431ee599b2a22023c/tumblr_inline_mm00ykO9K51qz4rgp.gif

Yeah what about it?

[Clipper Nation]

Who is that White man?:lol..
Bruce Blitz, a butthurt Jordan Jocker on YouTube :lol

[therealtruth]

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And that 20-7 was with alot of injuries.