Josh Smith?

[Johnsyounger]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12066086/detroit-pistons-waive-josh-smith

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

[DesignatedT]

Hope you're joking.

[TheTruth]

Wow, they used the stretch provision? He must have been some kind of cancer to that team.

[Mr Bones]

Amazing story. Detroit wanted him out so bad that they were willing to give him up for nothing.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Smith counts $5.8M for the next SEVEN YEARS on the Piston's books. OUCH.

[Mr Bones]

Watch Michael Jordan sign him.

[Chinook]

Smith counts $5.8M for the next SEVEN YEARS on the Piston's books. OUCH.

Nah. $13M this year and $5.2M for the following five.

[cd98]

May be able to get him at a bargain, but he'll go to one of the usual suspects (Clippers, Lakers, Cavs, Thunder) unless Atlanta can bring him home.

[Chinook]

And yes, I'd take him, though the team needs a PG more.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Nah. $13M this year and $5.2M for the following five.

Oh ok got it. Well let's sign him up!

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Please take him and get rid of Ayres or Bonner fuuuuck

[Old School 44]

For a minimum salary, I'd take a chance. If he doesn't workout, cut him. It would also serve as a bonus for fans who are looking to get rid of Daye or Ayres.

[Mr Bones]

Don't want. He'd come in, want more minutes, not get along with Kawhi, take bad three point shots, etc... It's one thing if you're 22 and have an attitude/maturity problem, but at this point it's clear he's a head case and nonstop trouble. Think about it: the Pistons are throwing away nearly $40 mil just to get clear of him.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Don't want. He'd come in, want more minutes, not get along with Kawhi, take bad three point shots, etc... It's one thing if you're 22 and have an attitude/maturity problem, but at this point it's clear he's a head case and nonstop trouble. Think about it: the Pistons are throwing away nearly $40 mil just to get clear of him.

Then you get rid of him if it doesn't work.. This is a low risk high reward situation.

[jyra]

I would totally get him but the front office obviously wants no part of head cases like him. Imagining him on the Rockets or Thunder is a bit scary.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Don't want. He'd come in, want more minutes, not get along with Kawhi, take bad three point shots, etc... It's one thing if you're 22 and have an attitude/maturity problem, but at this point it's clear he's a head case and nonstop trouble. Think about it: the Pistons are throwing away nearly $40 mil just to get clear of him.

They have Drummond and Monroe and tried to play him at SF.

[Spur|n|Austin]

They have Drummond and Monroe and tried to play him at SF.

Not sure why Detroit tried to force him into being a 3.

[SpurPadre]

A guy who at his peak can make the argument he's been an All-Star snub on a couple of occasions and a fat contract gets this treatment yet we, defending Champions, continue to lump around three steaming piles of perennial shit in Bonner, Ayres, and Daye for the fuck of it. Crazy world.

[Mr Bones]

His overall shooting percentages are worse than Kobe's this year. That hardly seems possible.

[NASpurs]

Bring him in, play him coming off the bench and let Chip work with him during the summer and laugh all the way to the bank.

That nigga would be scared of even attempting to shoot a three with Pop on his ass...well this year at least.

[Mr Bones]

They have Drummond and Monroe and tried to play him at SF.


Not sure why Detroit tried to force him into being a 3.

He signed there knowing they had Drummond and Monroe. What did he think was going to happen? So he's a bad decision maker on the court and at choosing teams during free agency.

[NASpurs]

Either way, I can already feel this being a 40 page thread.

[Boomersgold]

Hell yeah! We could definitely use his pin point three point shooting and his efficiency when he's on the floor!

[kobyz]

Full MLE for Smith! please R.C please please please!!! before Cuban and Dallase will fuck us!

[cd98]

He signed there knowing they had Drummond and Monroe. What did he think was going to happen? So he's a bad decision maker on the court and at choosing teams during free agency.

He was chasing the money.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Full MLE for Smith! please R.C please please please!!! before Cuban and Dallase will fuck us!

At this point we need to just sign him so that Dallas or Houston doesn't.

[Mr Bones]

A guy who at his peak can make the argument he's been an All-Star snub on a couple of occasions and a fat contract gets this treatment yet we, defending Champions, continue to lump around three steaming piles of perennial shit in Bonner, Ayres, and Daye for the fuck of it. Crazy world.

Bonner makes $1 mil. Smith made $14 mil. There's a reason why the Spurs are defending champions. They make smart decisions.

[Mr Bones]

He was chasing the money.

Exactly... bad decision maker.

[Mikeanaro]

I´ve heard he´s been bricking a lot to build a new house.

[Buddy Mignon]

Stop dreaming... the Spurs don't sign dark skinned niggas unless they thump the bible Like Gremlin and Robinson/

[NASpurs]

I would welcome any move that reduces Belinelli's minutes.

[Richie]

We've got the MLE, I'd take him at $3m for the rest of the season.

He's no worse a headcase than Stephen Jackson and Pop was happy to bring him back and waive him when necessary. Exactly the same for Smith, I don't see much downside unless we expect a better player to be waived for whom we should save the MLE.

[SpurPadre]

Bonner makes $1 mil. Smith made $14 mil. There's a reason why the Spurs are defending champions. They make smart decisions.

Oh yeah, but they're not omnipotent and the point being, eating Bonner's 1 mil by cutting him shouldn't be painful.

[Mr Bones]

If he signed with Dallas, Houston, or OKC, he'd make them worse, not better. I hope one of those teams do sign him. I'd much rather defend Smith shooting a three (with his 25% success rate) than Durant, Dirk, or Harden taking the shot.

[jhuan16]

Waive Manu, get Josh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[timtonymanu]

Fuck no. And I hate Daye/Errors/Belinelli.

Can't believe people are actually considering him as an option. Who cares if he's on paper better than those guys. The Spurs dont need that kind of cancer in the locker room.

[Johnsyounger]

Houston just got Brewer which makes them better.......

[Obiwonginobili]

At this point we need to just sign him so that Dallas or Houston doesn't.

THIS EXACTLY.

[SpurPadre]

If he signed with Dallas, Houston, or OKC, he'd make them worse, not better. I hope one of those teams do sign him. I'd much rather defend Smith shooting a three (with his 25% success rate) than Durant, Dirk, or Harden taking the shot.

He would make them better because he'd obviously come off the bench for those teams. Come on now.

[Fireball]

when do you guys finally understand that the Spurs do not sign players with a character of Josh Smith ... although I agree that I do not want to see him on one of the WC playoff teams

[SpurPadre]

With all this said, I don't think Smith would be a fit for this team and is too hood for PATFO anyways. I just want Bonner, Ayres and Daye off this fucking team.

[timtonymanu]

He would make them better because he'd obviously come off the bench for those teams. Come on now.

This is the guy that takes shots like Kobe and you think he would be willing to come off the bench?

[Jodelo]

Waiting for TSpence...

[Mugen]

This really is an unprecedented move in NBA history. I'd be really weary of signing him tbh and I'm not even a Jsmoove hater.

[Baam]

It's pretty crazy that they couldn't trade him...

[SpurPadre]

I'd venture to say the Cavs will get him. When Lebron sniffs an All-Star or near All-Star caliber player roaming around, he'll lure them in to play for his team.

[SpurPadre]

This is the guy that takes shots like Kobe and you think he would be willing to come off the bench?

For a chance at a ring, yes. And circumstance has made him shoot like that.

[loveforthegame]

Spurs won't touch him.

I see him going to Dallas or maybe the Clippers.

[cd98]

Houston probably won't make a play for him. They just got Corey Brewer. How is a guy like that made available and the Spurs don't pounce. He would be an excellent back up to Kawhi.

[NASpurs]

Spurs won't touch him.

I see him going to Dallas or maybe the Clippers.

Rondo, Smith and Tyson Chandler playing together at the same time. :lol I hope they sign him just to see that happen.

[FireMicoHalili]

given the choice between him and Kirilenko...I'm honestly not sure whom to pick. Kirilenko has better shooting and can pass. Smith on the other hand has instincts that require a total reboot. There was one game I cringed so hard after seeing Jennings give him the ball for the game-winner; Smoove had the time to drive all the way to the cup but instead jacked it up from three.

[timtonymanu]

For a chance at a ring, yes. And circumstance has made him shoot like that.

A team coached by Van Gundy and has a talented player like Drummond is considered bad circumstances? He even pulled this same cancerous shit in Atlanta. Dude thinks he's better than he actually is.

[Mr Bones]

He would make them better because he'd obviously come off the bench for those teams. Come on now.

Come off the bench and take terrible shots, have a FG% lower than Kobe's (who is at least a shooting Guard), ruin team chemistry, have awful body language, and not be a team player in any way... people like him because they remember seeing some of his dunks on Sportscenter. He doesn't help.

[look_at_g_shred]

Either way, I can already feel this being a 40 page thread.

[look_at_g_shred]

Injury insurance.

[look_at_g_shred]

Although right now Ayres > Smith

[Mr Bones]

He should be a Laker. Him and Shaggy P can team up with Kobe and be the most selfish team in the NBA.

[SpurPadre]

A team coached by Van Gundy and has a talented player like Drummond is considered bad circumstances? He even pulled this same cancerous shit in Atlanta. Dude thinks he's better than he actually is.

The team coached by Van Gundy, who couldn't handle Dwight Howard, and has a talented player like Drummond is 5-23 so yeah, I'd say those are bad circumstances.

[r0drig0lac]

which is a câncer

[Godbama]

I understand all the reservations expressed here, but I still think most contenders are gonna take a shot at this considering how high reward/low risk it is potentially.

I don't put such supreme faith in SVG that I think his failing proves Josh Smith is unsalvageable. I put far more faith in Pop and Chip than that fattie, he's got his hands full with that whole mess of a team and it was just his first year in Detroit. Someone like Pop or Thibs could shake something of value out of Smith, and if not, bench/cut him.

[Mr Bones]

It takes a lot, even for a very wealthy owner to say, fuck it, just take the $40 mil and go.

[timtonymanu]

The team coached by Van Gundy, who couldn't handle Dwight Howard, and has a talented player like Drummond is 5-23 so yeah, I'd say those are bad circumstances.

The Pistons do have problems aside from Josh Smith but i would agree with you if he didnt already pull this kind of crap in Atlanta (a team that was already a playoff contender).

Smith could be a low risk signing but it remains to be seen that he would be willing to accept a bench role like you claim.

[Godbama]

Sometimes you gotta take gambles if you wanna make it to the top, especially in a Western Conference where everyone is so close and so competitive. Ultimately for a team that just won the championship last year, that may not be seen as worthwhile or necessary, but you better believe it's a worthwhile risk for nearly every other contender if they've got the space.

[SpurPadre]

The Pistons do have problems aside from Josh Smith but i would agree with you if he didnt already pull this kind of crap in Atlanta (a team that was already a playoff contender).

Smith could be a low risk signing but it remains to be seen that he would be willing to accept a bench role like you claim.

Even when he pulled that crap in Atlanta, he was one of the main reasons they made the playoffs. The guy can defend when motivated, too, and that's ultimately the reason Lebron will demand he goes to Cleveland.

[benefactor]

:lol greys...I'm pretty surprised Chinook is on board with this too.

Thankfully, he's not coming to the Spurs. He won't want to and I'm sure the Spurs have learned their lesson about role players that need to ball to be effective.

[cjw]

Smith counts $5.8M for the next SEVEN YEARS on the Piston's books. OUCH.

Not sure why they stretched him. They're not competing in the next 2 years anyway, so the cap space isn't very useful. On the other hand, with the cap going up that much, it'll take up a smaller % of the cap each year.

Only silver lining I see here is that he was in an awful situation - Monroe and Drummond clogged the paint and you have to fight off Jennings for every shot. He deserves a ton of blame, but perhaps can be salvaged by a good team? I just hope he goes East - he's more useful than the annual Caron Butler signings.

[Mr Bones]

Sometimes you gotta take gambles if you wanna make it to the top, especially in a Western Conference where everyone is so close and so competitive. Ultimately for a team that just won the championship last year, that may not be seen as worthwhile or necessary, but you better believe it's a worthwhile risk for nearly every other contender if they've got the space.

I understand this viewpoint, but I'm gonna stick to the theory that he makes a good team worse, and not better. He has cut down on his historically bad 3 pt shot attempts per game and is still shooting a career low 39.1 FG%. His +/- last season was zero-- on a terrible team. This year he's at -10. No excuse of "playing out of position" should account for numbers that bad.

[timtonymanu]

Even when he pulled that crap in Atlanta, he was one of the main reasons they made the playoffs. The guy can defend when motivated, too, and that's ultimately the reason Lebron will demand he goes to Cleveland.

I'm not denying his potential but he seems like too much of a knucklehead to know his role. He will probably end up going to the Clippers since they are the team desperate for a small forward.

And I just saw that they are interested in signing him. :lol

[benefactor]

Have any of you even watched Josh Smith play?:lol

[Blizzardwizard]

Some of you guys have probably only used Smith on 2k15 rather than actually seen him play. Dude sucks :lol

[Mr Bones]

Have any of you even watched Josh Smith play?:lol

Exactly. I think mostly people remember some slam dunks on Sportscenter two years ago, and then their casual fan friends saying, "wow, that guy's really GOOD!"

[timtonymanu]

Have any of you even watched Josh Smith play?:lol

:lol demanded a max contract while with Atlanta which ultimately led to them trying to trade him even though he "was the reason they won games."
:lol had a good coach in Van Gundy and a promising player in Drummond in Detroit surrounding him but he still chose to take bad shots

It says a lot when you have Brandon Jennings on your team as well but they rather part ways with Smith. :lol

[Juggity]

Josh Smith is bad now, but there was a time when his defense was first-rate. If you keep him on a short leash and pay him the meager salary he deserves, why not? Nobody seriously thinks that Ayres or Daye is better than Josh Smith, right?

[Blizzardwizard]

And considering you guys all piss and moan about not making free throws, I bet you'd love this guy who is shooting 47% from the free throw line :lol

[ernest787]

people remember his potential. He unfortuantely never reached it, but there was a point when he was in the conversation for leading the next generation of NBA superstars. Too bad he is a headcase, never learned to shoot, and always thought he was better than what he was. That last bit probably comes from being put on a bad team early and being told to go win games, rather than being developed.

I don't think he helps a team win now, but it will really come down to weather or not any of the contenders still think he has potential... not to be a Superstar, but to realign his game and be a roleplayer. If he was only asked to defend & rebound and was OK with not scoring he could be a huge asset. It remains to be seen if he can actually do that though.

[kobyz]

He's good friend with Rondo and Howard, he might see oportonity to play with one of them and for a title, so probably he is agreed to gave up some money to be waive and go to Dallas or Houston...

[SpursDynasty21]

The Spurs could use some healthy players right now. I'm sure Josh Smith would have no problem getting minutes, at least with so many players injured and getting rested.

[jesterbobman]

I'd be on board for trying with the MLE.

Josh Smith has sucked for the last 2 years in Detroit, but his RAPM numbers pointed to him as elite in previous years. When his head is 57% screwed on, as it was in Atlanta, He is/was really good. He hasn't been that guy this year, as a Kobe system player with a worse shot that Kobe has, but he'd still probably be an upgrade on a roster spot from Daye.

Best case for Daye is that he has 1 good game out of 10, rides the bench and is happy.

Smith might partially recapture Atlanta form, and that guy could play in the Weird Diaw/big/Manu/Marco/Mills lineups as the second big. He has the passing skills to fit in.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

The Pistons do have problems aside from Josh Smith but i would agree with you if he didnt already pull this kind of crap in Atlanta (a team that was already a playoff contender).

Smith could be a low risk signing but it remains to be seen that he would be willing to accept a bench role like you claim.

I would be okay with the spurs taking a minimum contract chance on Smith. I agree with the notion that he's obviously cancer. But he's got some outs.

Detroit was stupid to even try to pair him with Monroe and Drummond. Then they made Jennings the point guard, when they coulda drafted Trey Burke. I also never cared much for either of his final atlanta coaches. I think Smith teams up with his buddy D12. But signing cheap with the clippers or mavericks would be more scary.

[kobyz]

We can use him, we need some juice with the lackluster play of us this season after winning the title...

[SpurPadre]

Have any of you even watched Josh Smith play?:lol

Yes I have and he's better than Ayres, Daye and Bonner. But again, he isn't a fit for this team but may be a nice add for a contender off the bench.

[Chinook]

:lol greys...I'm pretty surprised Chinook is on board with this too.

Thankfully, he's not coming to the Spurs. He won't want to and I'm sure the Spurs have learned their lesson about role players that need to ball to be effective.

Wouldn't be the first head case the team signed. Dudes talented and knows how to play the right way, even though he usually doesn't
. What more do you want from a min guy?

[Spur|n|Austin]

:lol greys...I'm pretty surprised Chinook is on board with this too.

Thankfully, he's not coming to the Spurs. He won't want to and I'm sure the Spurs have learned their lesson about role players that need to ball to be effective.

God you're so cool.

[SpurPadre]

I just read that the Kings are looking to get him as they tried to trade for him last season. I hope that happens. Not only will it keep him away from the scavenging fucks like the Mavs, Rockets, Cavs and Clips but it would be awesome to see the freakshow duo of Cousins and Smith wreaking havoc, getting in fights, racking up technicals, and losing...lol.

[SpurPadre]

God you're so cool.

I know, another one of those "I'm bold named and you're grey named so you suck! I'm so cool, I'll start calling you greys, haha! That'll show them!" And then their mom calls him for breakfast as they live in their parents' basement.

[SpurPadre]

Josh Smith is bad now, but there was a time when his defense was first-rate. If you keep him on a short leash and pay him the meager salary he deserves, why not? Nobody seriously thinks that Ayres or Daye is better than Josh Smith, right?

EXACTLY. This guy gets it.

[Chomag]

The Spurs system would be very good for his career, as long as he is willing. It would definitely revamp him.

I do agree This team needs some new blood, most of our current players just dont seem all that interested in the season right now. Be nice to just have something new to put out there to spark hopefully spark up the old team.

[SpurPadre]

I've posted a lot in this thread but it's all for naught because we're not getting him. Let this thread die, tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

Typical ST when asked if a former all star can join the team...

"No thanks."
"Nope, he's not European and soft"
"No he's black and can get his own shot"

.... We have Jeff Ayres, Matt Bonner, Austin Daye, and a declining Diaw. Wtf you mean we don't need a backup PF? Josh Smith still plays defense and rebounds. Josh Smith is a guy we can play when the Big 3 is out, he won't be a starter in the playoffs so chill the fuck out. We have the full MLE, and he's not a bad 3rd/4th big if Chip Engelland can work with him.

[benefactor]

God you're so cool.

I know, another one of those "I'm bold named and you're grey named so you suck! I'm so cool, I'll start calling you greys, haha! That'll show them!" And then their mom calls him for breakfast as they live in their parents' basement.
:cry oh noes the parent's basement insult gawd how will I ever go on :cry:cry:cry

[Chomag]

Typical ST when asked if a former all star can join the team...

"No thanks."
"Nope, he's not European and soft"
"No he's black and can get his own shot"

.... We have Jeff Ayres, Matt Bonner, Austin Daye, and a declining Diaw. Wtf you mean we don't need a backup PF? Josh Smith still plays defense and rebounds. Josh Smith is a guy we can play when the Big 3 is out, he won't be a starter in the playoffs so chill the fuck out. We have the full MLE, and he's not a bad 3rd/4th big if Chip Engelland can work with him.

Heh it does seem that most here think every Player in the NBA not on the Spurs roster are scrubs doesn't it.:lol

[Chinook]

People laughed at those of us who wanted Blatche as well. He would have been a great addition in retrospect.

[SpurPadre]

:cry oh noes the parent's basement insult gawd how will I ever go on :cry:cry:cry

I know, right? Cuz callin us "greys" is the mark of a badass. Riiiiggggggggggggghhhhhhhhtttt. We just aren't cool like you. We're fucked, tbh.

[timtonymanu]

No one is saying Smith is a scrub. :lol

He certainly has the talent and potential but he doesn't seem like the type that can mature into a player that knows his role. Doubt that Pop would even put up with his bullshit.

[look_at_g_shred]

LA or GS bound tbh..

[benefactor]

I know, right? Cuz callin us "greys" is the mark of a badass. Riiiiggggggggggggghhhhhhhhtttt. We just aren't cool like you. We're fucked, tbh.
No, you are just typically stupid...like you are today.

Anyway, Smith will sign with the Kings or Rockets. He's not coming here so none of this matters.

[TheGreatYacht]

Heh it does seem that most here think every Player in the NBA not on the Spurs roster are scrubs doesn't it.:lol
These idiots called Jeff Ayres an upgrade over Blair.... Because "he seems like a good defender" :lmao :lmao :lmao

[SpurPadre]

No, you are just typically stupid...like you are today.

Anyway, Smith will sign with the Kings or Rockets. He's not coming here so none of this matters.

Calling me stupid is nothing coming from your wannabe badass. But yeah, this is all meaningless.

[Trainwreck2100]

No, you are just typically stupid...like you are today.

Anyway, Smith will sign with the Kings or Rockets. He's not coming here so none of this matters.

and when he does the greys will be like :cry why didn't we even try :cry with money we don't have to spend :cry why are all out shit players still on the team with their guaranteed contracts. :cry why don't we just cut them which accomplishes nothing :cry we should just trade them if our front office is so great they can trade our crap :cry but our front office isn't good cause we couldn't get rid of jeff ayres

[Godbama]

Typical ST when asked if a former all star can join the team...

"No thanks."
"Nope, he's not European and soft"
"No he's black and can get his own shot"

.... We have Jeff Ayres, Matt Bonner, Austin Daye, and a declining Diaw. Wtf you mean we don't need a backup PF? Josh Smith still plays defense and rebounds. Josh Smith is a guy we can play when the Big 3 is out, he won't be a starter in the playoffs so chill the fuck out. We have the full MLE, and he's not a bad 3rd/4th big if Chip Engelland can work with him.
Exactly. Don't get me wrong, I see the risks, I recognize him as a potential toxin, but I believe in the strength of the Spurs organization/system vis-à-vis taking a gamble like this and surviving it: either because we turn him around without much damage to ourselves or we dump him after he proves worthless without much damage to ourselves. I don't think this is necessarily true for every team that might want to take a go at him, like say, the Sacramento Kings. That would be an entertaining tire fire.
There's potential that for some teams signing Josh Smith will do to them what Evan Turner's addition supposedly did to the Pacers, I just don't think we're that sort of team. For us it seems high reward/negligible risk.



Anyway, Smith will sign with the Kings or Rockets. He's not coming here so none of this matters.
And yeah, this is also probably true anyway.

[Chomag]

No one is saying Smith is a scrub. :lol

He certainly has the talent and potential but he doesn't seem like the type that can mature into a player that knows his role. Doubt that Pop would even put up with his bullshit.

True he has had attitude problems in the past but then again he has never been on a team like the Spurs. This team would not put up with that shit and put him in his place rather quickly and pop would not be afraid to light him up if he needed to. All im saying is if he is willing to put in the work he would be a huge edition for the Spurs. It would also be great for him to be on a team with a wining attitude thats expects maturity and nothing but the best out of him, it would do wonders with him personally just as much as it would do for his nba career. Yes again he has to be "willing" and that is a risk and that I can agree with.

[benefactor]

and when he does the greys will be like :cry why didn't we even try :cry with money we don't have to spend :cry why are all out shit players still on the team with their guaranteed contracts. :cry why don't we just cut them which accomplishes nothing :cry we should just trade them if our front office is so great they can trade our crap :cry but our front office isn't good cause we couldn't get rid of jeff ayres
:cry why has god forsaken us :cry
:cry its all atheist Manu's fault :cry

[SpurPadre]

:cry why has god forsaken us :cry
:cry its all atheist Manu's fault :cry

I'm an atheist and I love atheist Manu, tbh.

[Godbama]

:cry why has god forsaken us :cry
:cry its all atheist Manu's fault :cry
I blame the Sikhs. Probably accidentally cut Kawhi's hand with one of those big knives. :cry

[TheGreatYacht]

Exactly. Don't get me wrong, I see the risks, I recognize him as a potential toxin, but I believe in the strength of the Spurs organization/system vis-à-vis taking a gamble like this and surviving it: either because we turn him around without much damage to ourselves or we dump him after he proves worthless without much damage to ourselves. I don't think this is necessarily true for every team that might want to take a go at him, like say, the Sacramento Kings. That would be an entertaining tire fire.
There's potential that for some teams signing Josh Smith will do to them what Evan Turner's addition supposedly did to the Pacers, I just don't think we're that sort of team. For us it seems high reward/negligible risk.
This. Worst case scenario is he's a bad locker room guy and he affects the chemistry, but that can easily be fixed by just simply waiving him like Stephen Jackson. The problem is, the Spurs are the 7th seed and they're getting exposed for having scrubs at the end of the bench, thanks to all the injuries. ST just seems to remember his Pistons days where he's surrounded by chuckers like Jennings, Butler, Augistine, Cauldwell-Pope, etc. He actually used to be pretty efficient when he was in Atlanta. There's a bigger plus side than there is negative here. Like I said before... He can't be worse than T-Rex hands, Austin Toro, and 1rpg Bonner.

[SpurPadre]

The more I think about it, the more I want Smith going to the Kings. The possibilities for the many trainwrecks it would produce would be endless!

[Malik Hairston]

:lol 2nd thread in a week about a washed-up, former All-Star that can't shoot..

- Why are there people that keep mentioning Ayres and Bonner? Josh Smith isn't going to accept a role as a 4th big, what the fuck?:lmao..he's known as a cancer with a massive ego, that has always been the case, you believe he's going to join a team where he's going to be a 4th fucking big man? He's not going anywhere where he doesn't receive a prominent role

- Statistically, Josh Smith's only significant impact is defensively, where he has been a high-impact player for his entire career..offensively, he has had some decent seasons, but has been on the downside the past few years, especially as the NBA has evolved to reward shooting ability and stretching the floor..

The concern with his defense is that it is on the decline(statistically), which is expected for a 29 year old(and came out of High School IIRC, so more mileage) that relies entirely on athleticism for his impact on the floor..

- Josh Smith hasn't played for a top 15 offense since he was 24 years old(at his athletic peak)..he's not the same player..still a good passer, but doesn't have any other offensive talent, nor does he have any significant ability to explode past defenders, at this point..a 29 year old player that relies entirely on athleticism and can't shoot the ball is not going to be effective:lol..

- The Pistons releasing him is a sign that he's either a cancer(which has been argued in the past), or that he's so bad that no other team was willing to trade anything for him

- So, sure, in a dream world where Josh Smith accepts a role as a 4th big that only plays defense and rebounds, he would be perfect for the Spurs..however, this is reality:lol..

He's going to end up with a team that can give him big minutes and a prominent role, or at least a contender that will give him 30 MPG+ per night..the only fringe contender that would do it in the West is Houston IMO, since Terrence Jones' status seems doubtful, and while that would be a big plus for their defense, it would kill their spacing and mass-3s strategy..there's nothing scary about Josh Smith..

Maybe the Clippers if they can promise him 30+ as a 3rd big, since both teams will desperately need defense in the playoffs and Rivers probably believes he can get to him, but again, there's nothing scary about going against a 6'9 big man with no post game or shooting ability..

A shitty team like Sacramento makes the most sense..

[Chillen]

He's absolutely worth the risk, sign him. If Pop can't get him to not be a cancer no one will.

[Malik Hairston]

It's always the same posters that beg for the Caron Butlers and Danny Grangers, too:lol..some of the same posters in this thread were saying Granger could replace Kawhi and DG, tbh..

Shit, if Josh Smith accepts a role as a 4th big, anybody would take him, maybe even the Spurs..however, he's not, and I wouldn't rather have him over Splitter or Diaw..

[RD2191]

Waiting on tspences thoughts.

[Chinook]

It's always the same posters that beg for the Caron Butlers and Danny Grangers, too:lol..some of the same posters in this thread were saying Granger could replace Kawhi and DG, tbh..

Shit, if Josh Smith accepts a role as a 4th big, anybody would take him, maybe even the Spurs..however, he's not, and I wouldn't rather have him over Splitter or Diaw..

The thing is, the fourth big on the Spurs is probably going to start ideally. So Smith may have a decent spot on the team. He might hate not closing, but that probably wouldn't manifest itself all that often, as the team will rest players for most of the RS.

[exstatic]

People laughed at those of us who wanted Blatche as well. He would have been a great addition in retrospect.

What on Earth? BKN signed him for two years minimum, and then gave him an invitation to the world this summer. NOBODY in the NBA would sign him after they let him walk. How on Earth do you track that and say he would have been a good signing, in retrospect?

[Daniel Sedin]

5 teams that Josh Smith actually makes sense on
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/12/nba-josh-smith-cut-pistons-next-team-heat-rockets-spurs-mavericks-pacers


3. San Antonio Spurs

Sure, there’s the temptation to say the Spurs would make the most out of every player, which is true. But Smith actually makes a lot of sense for a team that has gotten so much out of versatile players. Another former castoff, Boris Diaw, and Smith are similar players in their out-sized talents but different enough to play together. Smith would have to come off the bench for the Spurs, but they have had injury issues recently to open up plenty of minutes. And they put enough shooters on the floor to keep him inside.

[Mr Bones]

I really want to hear the behind-the-scenes story. It takes a lot more than bad shot selection to make an owner just give up and throw away 30+ million dollars for nothing at all, not even a couple of second round draft picks. Rumors this summer said Greg Monroe didn't want to play with him and asked that he be traded... he denied that later, but it's seems clear they didn't get along so well. The funny thing is, Monroe was playing out of position at PF to accommodate Drummond, and Josh was playing out of position at SF, which he didn't like. I still see Monroe leaving next summer as a free agent, so Detroit will be essentially starting from scratch. If Monroe stays, he'll be making the same mistake Josh did signing there in the first place.

Detroit will be paying Josh Smith until 2020. Think about that...

[spurspokesman]

If the spurs took a flier on him I wouldn't be mad. Bonner and ayres are worlds worst and still get minutes smh.

[benstanfield]

Crazy that for being such a cancer that his team will pay him 40m just to go away, he will get rewarded by starting minutes next to Dwight and make them an instant contender.

[SpurPadre]

It's always the same posters that beg for the Caron Butlers and Danny Grangers, too:lol..some of the same posters in this thread were saying Granger could replace Kawhi and DG, tbh..

Shit, if Josh Smith accepts a role as a 4th big, anybody would take him, maybe even the Spurs..however, he's not, and I wouldn't rather have him over Splitter or Diaw..

Who the fuck said Granger could replace Kawhi and Green?! Are you serious?

[Daniel Sedin]

Crazy that for being such a cancer that his team will pay him 40m just to go away, he will get rewarded by starting minutes next to Dwight and make them an instant contender.

What is your proof that he is a Cancer? Being released does not automatically mean one is a cancer. Especially when they have two young prospects.

[Clipper Nation]

Crazy that for being such a cancer that his team will pay him 40m just to go away, he will get rewarded by starting minutes next to Dwight and make them an instant contender.
:lol good one

[Chinook]

What on Earth? BKN signed him for two years minimum, and then gave him an invitation to the world this summer. NOBODY in the NBA would sign him after they let him walk. How on Earth do you track that and say he would have been a good signing, in retrospect?

Because he was really good for those two years, and his skill-set was perfect for the Spurs. Moreover, it underscores that cancers can play well for good teams even though they never really mature. The fact that he's no longer in the league doesn't negate the fact that the Nets made a good signing.

[baseline bum]

He signed there knowing they had Drummond and Monroe. What did he think was going to happen? So he's a bad decision maker on the court and at choosing teams during free agency.

How is he a bad decision maker by going to Detroit? He got like $56 million.

[baseline bum]

Did I just read a post saying Josh Smith was just like classball extraordinaire Boris Diaw? Holy fuck, people who post shit like that need to have their balls chopped off and kids sent to Dachau.

[benstanfield]

What is your proof that he is a Cancer? Being released does not automatically mean one is a cancer. Especially when they have two young prospects.

"that his team will pay him 40m just to go away"

[Mr Bones]

Using the stretch provision, will Detroit have to pay the full amount of Smith's remaining salary? Or will his new contract dollar amount be deducted from the yearly total?

[Malik Hairston]

Career playoffs TS%: 47..ugh

[itzsoweezee]

I can't believe the fans of a team with a roster including Ayres, Daye, and a rookie would say anything other than a resounding Yes to Josh Smith. Of course the Spurs should go after him.

[Chinook]

Using the stretch provision, will Detroit have to pay the full amount of Smith's remaining salary? Or will his new contract dollar amount be deducted from the yearly total?

Should be subject to offsets for the next three years, but the final three won't be set-offable.

[Mr Bones]

How is he a bad decision maker by going to Detroit? He got like $56 million.

He went there knowing they had Drummond and Monroe, but was immediately unhappy that he had to play the SF position... what did he think was going to happen when he signed? Yeah, he got paid, but he wasted two prime years of his career. He should've picked a better situation if he really was opposed to being a SF.

[SpurPadre]

LOL, 5-page long thread for a player who's not coming here. It's like the Pau Gasol thread and that was lengthened by that tspence tool.

[Chinook]

Career playoffs TS%: 47..ugh

Blatche improved his playoff TS% by more than 70 points between WSH and BRK. And that wasn't in the Spurs' system.

[Mr Bones]

Should be subject to offsets for the next three years, but the final three won't be set-offable.

So if he signs somewhere this summer for the MLE, Detroit won't have to pay him anything for two years? I guess they did figure out a way to unload him and save a little money.

[$pursDynasty]

LOL, 5-page long thread for a player who's not coming here. It's like the Pau Gasol thread and that was lengthened by that tspence tool.
TSpense I haven't thought of him in a minute, what does he say about our prospects of landing Smith?

[Chinook]

So if he signs somewhere this summer for the MLE, Detroit won't have to pay him anything for two years? I guess they did figure out a way to unload him and save a little money.

Nah, check the CBA FAQ for the details, but it would be essentially an even split IIRC.

[Mr Bones]

LOL, 5-page long thread for a player who's not coming here. It's like the Pau Gasol thread and that was lengthened by that tspence tool.

You're mocking the length of a thread that you posted in 19 times.

[Mr Bones]

From Espn:

"Smith was on pace to be the first NBA player to shoot below 40 percent on field goals and below 50 percent on free throws while taking at least 12 shots per game, according to ESPN Stats & Information."

[SpurPadre]

You're mocking the length of a thread that you posted in 19 times.

Yeah but if you look at my posts here, you'll see I'm not clamoring for him to play for us and have been primarily replying to others.

[SpursFan86]

He's not coming here. He'll end up in Houston or Dallas.

[ElNono]

I rather get Kobe, tbh.. And current Kobe is unplayable...

EDIT: and yeah, I know Kobe isn't going anywhere, etc

[Shastafarian]

I rather get Kobe, tbh.. And current Kobe is unplayable...

EDIT: and yeah, I know Kobe isn't going anywhere, etc

They're both dumpster fires this year. Though Smith carries a slight edge in WS :lol

http://tinyurl.com/qyqjj38

[Trainwreck2100]

i just realized that piston game just became less winnable, is it possible will we now have a 13 game losing streak?

[Cklbmk]

He signed there knowing they had Drummond and Monroe. What did he think was going to happen? So he's a bad decision maker on the court and at choosing teams during free agency.


IIRC he said Pistons offered far and above the most money and it was the only real option

[RD2191]

You're mocking the length of a thread that you posted in 19 times.
:lmao

[RD2191]

I can't believe the fans of a team with a roster including Ayres, Daye, and a rookie would say anything other than a resounding Yes to Josh Smith. Of course the Spurs should go after him.

[Nathan89]

Trying to fit in a new piece could increase the urgency of the team and the talent level at the same time. I don't really watch smith but I think we have enough shooters to balance the court especially when patty comes back and the passing of team will enable him to get plenty of easy baskets.

[Nathan89]

Also teams not wanting to trade for Smith at 14mil shouldn't be relevant to the spurs signing him for a couple million.

[BillMc]

Pounding the Rock's Opinion:

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2014/12/22/7435171/spurs-josh-smith-waived-interest


In a nutshell:

1) bad chemistry
2) we'd have to play him at center!
3) won't want to come here anyway, so point is moot.

On the other hand ESPN's Michael Wallace in his chat today said that the Spurs would be the best fit for Smith of any contending team.

In the end as Bill Shakespeare once said, this is probably "Much ado about nothing."

[jeebus]

http://i.imgur.com/OgnhEi8.jpg

[Chomag]

If all else iT would be nice to give Diaw some competition and motivate him. He definitely seems completely disinterested and more heavier then he was last season right now.

He probably laughs a little inside whenever he looks at the bench and sees Errors and Boner sitting there as his replacements.

[Mugen]

I rather get Kobe, tbh.. And current Kobe is unplayable...

EDIT: and yeah, I know Kobe isn't going anywhere, etc

No you wouldn't tbh.

[BatManu20]

The Spurs want no part of that chucking waste of talent, and rightfully so. He's terrible.

[BatManu20]

Skip to 0:54 to see why the Spurs want no part of this overrated scrub


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj8hxElRox0

[DPG21920]

This is a funny discussion. It doesnt matter what Josh Smith will do or won't. When you aren't giving up any assets for him he's obv worth the risk at this price. There is no one more talented in the world at this price & if he sucks or won't accept a role you cut him without losing any sleep.

[benstanfield]

Lineups don't really work with Smith on the Spurs tbh unless you start him or Boris. I would certainly give him Bonner's 18mpg and a second unit of Mills, Marco, Manu, Smith, and Boris would be entertaining to say the least. But he's gonna go start for Houston, nothing else makes sense unless the Kings throw money at him

[BatManu20]

And this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EprveDGVBA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZF7SVH4nYQ

[Malik Hairston]

Blatche improved his playoff TS% by more than 70 points between WSH and BRK. And that wasn't in the Spurs' system.

Blatche is an outlier, there are far more examples of inefficient players and cancers that didn't improve their situations in their next stint, tbh..

Also, Blatche had a 25+% usage rate with the Nets, the offense revolved around him whenever he was on the floor, in an offense that was one of the top 3 in ISO-based offense the past 2 seasons IIRC(statistically)..he was given a role where he proved himself and he was permitted to be the primary offensive focus when he was on the floor..

I don't think Smith has the tools that Blatche has, too..the only offensive talent Josh Smith possesses at this point is his passing ability IMO..

I'm not going to cite his atrocious Synergy and individual stats, I'll give him a pass for being on a Pistons team that has minimal perimeter talent, but just based on logic, I don't see how Smith can effectively help an offense at his current age and declining athleticism in a starting role on a team..

Josh Smith is still a solid defender, and that's the only reason to sign him IMO..he's only really had 1 or 2 notable offensive seasons, but he was absolutely an elite and underrated defender in his athletic prime..if he accepts a lesser role, it's a no-brainer, but I just don't believe he would do it, and his ego is much larger than somebody like Blatche who was almost out of the NBA when he decided to clean up his act..

[BatManu20]

547129034476650497


"According to Synergy Sports, Smith is in the bottom 8 percent in overall points per possession, bottom 6 percent in transition PPP, bottom 11 percent in halfcourt, and bottom 21 percent after timeouts. He's bottom 10 percent on pick-and-rolls, bottom 12 percent on spot-ups (on which he takes a full quarter of his shots), and spikes to a frigid 23rd percentile mark for post-ups. This year at least, like the previous few (http://regressing.deadspin.com/is-josh-smith-the-worst-three-point-shooter-of-all-time-1506600877), Josh cannot shoot."

[Malik Hairston]

It makes a lot of sense for Houston, though..

They don't have a starting PF if Jones is out for the year, and he's one of the most underrated players in the league(matchup nightmare for the Spurs, last season)..they desperately need depth in the frontcourt, and Montejunas shouldn't be starting(would be an awesome bench big)..

Smith-Howard will be terrible offensively, but it'll be great from a defensive standpoint, and it fills a huge need for the Rockets..it's not a "scary" move, since I don't think Josh Smith is anything special at this point of his career(and frankly, I'd take Jones over him), but it's definitely a nice ugprade in their frontcourt, and maybe he'll be motivated to play better, too..

Sacramento would be a disaster:lol..

[ElNono]

No you wouldn't tbh.

Hell yeah, entertainment for the whole family

[Blizzardwizard]

Is this going to be another 100 page thread? :lol

All that's needed now is Tspence.

[look_at_g_shred]

A fast break of Smith-Leonard could be deadly.

[ElNono]

A fast break of Smith-Leonard could be deadly.

Wrong guy. You're thinking JR Smith...

[Chinook]

Wrong guy. You're thinking JR Smith...

!

[Spur|n|Austin]

A fast break of Smith-Leonard could be deadly.

Josh Smith on the fast break???

[Hoops Czar]

Clips, Cavs, Mavs in that order, tbh.

[look_at_g_shred]

Wrong guy. You're thinking JR Smith...
Gotta be honest, it has been awhile since I've seen the guy run a break :lol

[ElNono]

I think Chinook got the rather poor taste joke, IMO

[timtonymanu]

Wrong guy. You're thinking JR Smith...

Where's that Andre Bell troll? :lol

[Nathan89]

For people not wanting Smith would knowledge that kawhi's injury is significant change anything?

[Spur|n|Austin]

For people not wanting Smith would knowledge that kawhi's injury is significant change anything?

Are we speaking hypothetically here?

[Nathan89]

Are we speaking hypothetically here?

Well there is some concerning news in the "Tony,Kl,patty are out tomorrow" thread.

[Hoops Czar]

Well there is some concerning news in the "Tony,Kl,patty are out tomorrow" thread.

No. For the clowns who aren't willing to take Josh Smith for cheap as a low risk high reward signing, the Kawhi injury shouldn't have any impact or change in their delusional thinking patterns whatsoever.

:lmao To think fans actually value Bonner, Ayres and Daye more than Smith is pretty comical, tbh.

[Malik Hairston]

Last year's playoffs:

Bonner- 6 MPG
Baynes- 7 MPG in 14 games
Ayres 4 MPG in 17 games
Daye- DNP

How do people figure Josh Smith would be replacing any of these guys?:lol..

He's not joining a team where he would be playing 15 MPG, wow..

He would get 35-40 MPG with the Rockets in the playoffs, same with joining the Heat..even if the Clippers took a flier on him, they could play him as a 3rd big for at least 30 MPG, too(especially since Jordan often has to be taken out, although Smith is just as poor of a FT shooter)..

If he goes to Sacramento, he gets a lot more money, along with 40 MPG..

[timtonymanu]

No. For the clowns who aren't willing to take Josh Smith for cheap as a low risk high reward signing, the Kawhi injury shouldn't have any impact or change in their delusional thinking patterns whatsoever.

:lmao To think fans actually value Bonner, Ayres and Daye more than Smith is pretty comical, tbh.

I know you're pretty much the forum moron, but most of us know Smith isn't coming here to be a role player.

[Malik Hairston]

I know you're pretty much the forum moron, but most of us know Smith isn't coming here to be a role player.

:lmao..

[Hoops Czar]

Last year's playoffs:

Bonner- 6 MPG
Baynes- 7 MPG in 14 games
Ayres 4 MPG in 17 games
Daye- DNP

How do people figure Josh Smith would be replacing any of these guys?:lol..

He's not joining a team where he would be playing 15 MPG, wow..

He would get 35-40 MPG with the Rockets in the playoffs, same with joining the Heat..even if the Clippers took a flier on him, they could play him as a 3rd big for at least 30 MPG, too(especially since Jordan often has to be taken out, although Smith is just as poor of a FT shooter)..

If he goes to Sacramento, he gets a lot more money, along with 40 MPG..

He'll get what he earns. No playoff team is going to floor Smith 35-40 mpg unless he's paying huge dividends. Spurs would be no different in that respect. He could easily get 15-20 mpg in the playoffs for the Spurs on most nights if he is playing well. He's still a better defender than Baynes, Diaw, Bonner and Belinelli. Signing him for the rest of the season isn't going to hurt the Spurs or Smith for that matter. It's the true definition of low risk/high reward. He can sign with whomever he chooses in the offseason for any amount of money that teams are willing to pay. Detroit still owes him nearly 26.5M so he might choose playing for a contender rather than a pretender (Sacramento) for the remainder of the season.

[Hoops Czar]

I know you're pretty much the forum moron, but most of us know Smith isn't coming here to be a role player.

Posters who lives in glass houses shouldn't cast stones. You must be a special kind of stupid to think Smith was anything more than an expensive role player in Detroit.

[timtonymanu]

Posters who lives in glass houses shouldn't cast stones. You must be a special kind of stupid to think Smith was anything more than an expensive role player in Detroit.

A player that can't shoot that took more shots than Drummond in games. Yeah, clearly a guy that sticks to his strengths. I can't wait for your next moronic take.

[Hoops Czar]

A player that can't shoot that took more shots than Drummond in games. Yeah, clearly a guy that sticks to his strengths. I can't wait for your next moronic take.

:lmao Weak sauce, per par. Because taking shots is indicative of stardom. You're living in yesteryear. He's not the Atlanta version of Josh Smith anymore and he's not a star. Haven't you learned anything from watching Kobe, since name recognition clearly means something to you?

[Mr Bones]

Smith signed with Detroit, who already had Drummond and Monroe, and then started saying he didn't want to play SF. Don't you think that's kind of dumb? He's maybe the worst volume 3 point shooter in the history of the league. Most guys with as bad a 3ptFG% as he has (24% this year, 26% last year, 28% for his career) wouldn't even be allowed to shoots threes, period. He's been a terrible three point shooter his entire career but has still jacked up over 1200 of them. That represents about 12% of all of his field goal attempts in his career. He's a terrible decision maker. It's true, he can be a good defender, but very often isn't. And that's because to go along with terrible decisions he has a terrible attitude. Signing him would essentially be telling the entire team, Forget about all that "Spurs" stuff we've talked about-- character, maturity, intelligence, team play-- that was all bullshit. Now we got a guy who can jump really high and play the WRONG way. It's gonna be great!

[timtonymanu]

:lmao Weak sauce, per par. Because taking shots is indicative of stardom. You're living in yesteryear. He's not the Atlanta version of Josh Smith anymore and he's not a star. Haven't you learned anything from watching Kobe, since name recognition clearly means something to you?

When the fuck did I even say he was a star? :lol Good god you're so dense. I just said he isn't coming to the Spurs to be a role player. Don't know what made you go full retard but based on your posting history and how much Harlem owns you, it's no surprise.

[timtonymanu]

Gotta love how consistently bad Hoops Czar is. Even can make No lyfe scrub look like a smart poster.

[cd021]

Please take him and get rid of Ayres or Bonner fuuuuck

I'm liking how Baynes has played. He's a solid 3rd Center the Spurs really need another legit PF( Diaw and Bonner are the only playable 4's) Smith can't hit the side of a barn but his athleticism is a plus and has been a good defender in the past. I'd take a chance on him.

[Hoops Czar]

When the fuck did I even say he was a star? :lol Good god you're so dense. I just said he isn't coming to the Spurs to be a role player. Don't know what made you go full retard but based on your posting history and how much Harlem owns you, it's no surprise.

20,000 posts and none the wiser.

:lol Harlem couldn't own peasants on Wall Street. He won't come here to be a role player but he'll do just that somewhere else? That's failed logic at it's finest. He's a role player and no matter who he signs with, that's what he'll be. It would be beyond stupid if the Spurs didn't register interest with the injuries and regular season minutes restrictions. He could turn out to be a low risk,high reward bonus. If not, so what. He doesn't cost the Spurs anything in return.

If he doesn't come here, it will most likely be because the Spurs don't want him or he wants to get paid, not because he won't accept who/what he is.

[apalisoc_9]

Gotta love how consistently bad Hoops Czar is. Even can make No lyfe scrub look like a smart poster.

:lol

[Malik Hairston]

According to Wilbon on PTI today, an unnamed player told him that nobody wants Josh Smith around their team or in their locker room:lol..

[Spursfanfromafar]

Posting too late in the conversation. What part of Josh Smith spells Spurs material? A selfish chucker who still hasn't got it despite more than a decade in the league and who couldn't be traded anywhere only to be chucked out through the stretch provision... why would the Spurs touch a character like this with any barge pole. There is no way the Spurs will want to associate with a cancer like Smith. His only redeeming ability is his defense but he is such a polarizing character that he could turn out to be a risk for the Spurs' chemistry.

No way the Spurs try to get Josh Smith of all people.

There was a miniscule chance of the Spurs getting Monroe away but Stan Van Gundy was smart enough to use the nuclear option to let go of Smith. Monroe is most likely staying in Detroit post this move.

[Baam]

Posting too late in the conversation. What part of Josh Smith spells Spurs material? A selfish chucker who still hasn't got it despite more than a decade in the league and who couldn't be traded anywhere only to be chucked out through the stretch provision... why would the Spurs touch a character like this with any barge pole. There is no way the Spurs will want to associate with a cancer like Smith. His only redeeming ability is his defense but he is such a polarizing character that he could turn out to be a risk for the Spurs' chemistry.

No way the Spurs try to get Josh Smith of all people.

There was a miniscule chance of the Spurs getting Monroe away but Stan Van Gundy was smart enough to use the nuclear option to let go of Smith. Monroe is most likely staying in Detroit post this move.

people counted me out as well
\
:bobo

[Baynes]

FCK NOOO

[Johnny RIngo]

With Leonard's hand issues, Spurs should be looking to acquire a small forward or wing. In that case, Josh Smith is not necessary - our big rotation is fine at the moment(especially with Boris coming alive last night).

[kobyz]

Imaging Josh Smith with the Spurs against the thunder, perfect Ibaka stopper!!!

[Chinook]

With Leonard's hand issues, Spurs should be looking to acquire a small forward or wing. In that case, Josh Smith is not necessary - our big rotation is fine at the moment(especially with Boris coming alive last night).

Eh, they could get both. Smith wouldn't require assets.

[100%duncan]

Josh Smith fkn sucks but at the min he is a low risk high reward player. In the end, he will not go here.

100 pages incoming

[100%duncan]

This is a funny discussion. It doesnt matter what Josh Smith will do or won't. When you aren't giving up any assets for him he's obv worth the risk at this price. There is no one more talented in the world at this price & if he sucks or won't accept a role you cut him without losing any sleep.

[cjw]

The Josh McBob injury may push him to Miami, where he can get some real minutes at the 4 next to Bosh (who has range). To me, that's the perfect fit for him. Given they're not a contender, this is the best possible outcome for us to keep him off other west teams should he have a career renaissance.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Christ, 7 pages on an inefficient scrub that has no chance in hell to make the spurs?

[Mal]

Spurs dont need him. Right now there are some injuries, but in long run he`d not be used. Outside of that, Spurs could pick up him for cheap. If there is any franchise that could make him of use, it`s the Spurs. Guy is a cancer, chucker, but he can produce, not points, but rebounds, steals, blocks.

[ceperez]

Spurs dont need him. Right now there are some injuries, but in long run he`d not be used. Outside of that, Spurs could pick up him for cheap. If there is any franchise that could make him of use, it`s the Spurs. Guy is a cancer, chucker, but he can produce, not points, but rebounds, steals, blocks.

I guess the team that bids the highest on the waiver line gets him? No negotiation required?

[intlspurshk]

I would prefer Ray Allen instead. 3pt shooting is important and I am not sure MVP Mills will quickly get back in shape.

[Mal]

I guess the team that bids the highest on the waiver line gets him? No negotiation required?

He was waived. He can sign for any amount with any team, after he clears waivers.

[barakz21]

Assuming both him and ak47 want to play for the spurs regardless of the $$$, which would you guys go for, and which would you let go, Daye or Errors?

[Malik Hairston]

The Josh McBob injury may push him to Miami, where he can get some real minutes at the 4 next to Bosh (who has range). To me, that's the perfect fit for him. Given they're not a contender, this is the best possible outcome for us to keep him off other west teams should he have a career renaissance.

Spoelstra and SVG are best friends, it would have to be Riley forcing him on the team, tbh..

[Holden_Caulfield]

I guess the team that bids the highest on the waiver line gets him? No negotiation required?
i think philly is the only one who can claim him because theyre the only one who has the salary cap, so more than likely hes gonna clear

[Trainwreck2100]

I guess the team that bids the highest on the waiver line gets him? No negotiation required?

That was how the amnesty provision worked this is different

[tholdren]

just what we need, another overrated defender with ZERO offense!

[milkyway21]

Spurs dont need him. Right now there are some injuries, but in long run he`d not be used. Outside of that, Spurs could pick up him for cheap. If there is any franchise that could make him of use, it`s the Spurs. Guy is a cancer, chucker, but he can produce, not points, but rebounds, steals, blocks.

Yap. He can be an insurance. Just in case.
Plus he's a good passer.

[SpurPadre]

Varejao just left the Cavs game in a walking boot and on crutches. LeBron WILL demand Smith and probably get him. Maybe he'd behave there and know his role but if he doesn't, I'm sure LeBron will have him on a short leash.

[Ditty]

just what we need, another overrated defender with ZERO offense!

Lol I'm not on the Josh Smith bandwagon either but who is an overrated defender with no offense on the team? :lol

[hsxvvd]

Houston promising the starting PF spot :lol

[Sean Cagney]

DO NOT care, not coming the Spurs, not going to happen nor do they really need him. He would possibly help some yes, but it would not matter anyways because he will go to Houston or Dallas or some other team. It is funny how this board says? at every FA out there like they are going to come to the Spurs or even rumored to. If they are rumored to go to the Spurs it is usually a smoke screen and Spurs as favorites also makes me laugh.
Varejao just left the Cavs game in a walking boot and on crutches. LeBron WILL demand Smith and probably get him. Maybe he'd behave there and know his role but if he doesn't, I'm sure LeBron will have him on a short leash.

I can see him going there as well.

[ceperez]

He was waived. He can sign for any amount with any team, after he clears waivers.

Well then he'll most likely sign with his buddy over in Houston.

[TheGreatYacht]

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[TheGreatYacht]

Howard, Smith, Ariza, Harden, Beverley... That's quite possibly the best defensive starting 5 in the league.

Montejunas, Jones, Popanikolau, Brewer, Terry... Decent bench IMO, but a 100% healthy Spurs bench will expose them

[elemento]

Low-risk, high reward move

I don't blame them. Pretty sure he is very happy to play with his childhood friend.

[Juggity]

When I heard he was demanding a starting spot, I soured on him. When I heard multiple teams were willing to give him a starting spot, I was more than surprised. I think it's pretty much been established by now that this guy is a team killer if you give him too much responsibility. I realize now that the spurs never had a chance because they would never offer him a starting spot without first proving his value.

Good luck, Houston.

[SpursFan86]

He'll be back to playing his natural position (Detroit was stupid to try and play him at the 3 with Monroe/Drummond). I don't see how someone could hate this move. As someone else mentioned, it's a low-risk, high-reward type of situation. He won't have nearly as much responsibility playing alongside Harden and Howard. He's best friends with Howard so I think that'll help the attitude problems he's had in the past. It will be interesting to see how he does with Morey-ball though...Houston takes a TON of 3s, and that's not such a good idea for Josh Smith. I'm not a fan of J-Smoove at all (he has a horrible BBIQ, and he's no longer the elite defender he was in Atlanta since he's lost some of his athleticism), but it's not like they had to give anything up or pay a huge sum to get him.

They also have a decent bench now as well...Brewer/K-Pap/Jones/Motiejunas is a solid unit.

Houston has definitely improved from where they were at going into the season, but I'm still not sold on them being legitimate contenders.

[trollt]

nothing in the real season

[trollt]

Brewer's a legit signing tho

[Malik Hairston]

He'll be back to playing his natural position (Detroit was stupid to try and play him at the 3 with Monroe/Drummond). I don't see how someone could hate this move. As someone else mentioned, it's a low-risk, high-reward type of situation. He won't have nearly as much responsibility playing alongside Harden and Howard. He's best friends with Howard so I think that'll help the attitude problems he's had in the past. It will be interesting to see how he does with Morey-ball though...Houston takes a TON of 3s, and that's not such a good idea for Josh Smith. I'm not a fan of J-Smoove at all (he has a horrible BBIQ, and he's no longer the elite defender he was in Atlanta since he's lost some of his athleticism), but it's not like they had to give anything up or pay a huge sum to get him.

They also have a decent bench now as well...Brewer/K-Pap/Jones/Motiejunas is a solid unit.

Houston has definitely improved from where they were at going into the season, but I'm still not sold on them being legitimate contenders.

He played 80% of his minutes at PF this season IIRC..

[kobyz]

after missing on Paul Pierce in the summer, R.C once again fall a sleep and fucked up situation... now he make the Rockets unstoppable with Howard and Smith inside, great 3 point shooting around them, great defense, great go to player, great bench, no one gonna beat them... i don't understand why saying Smith is a cancer or a team killer, he isn't nothing like that, he just need right position and good coaching, he still top 30 player in the league, fuck R.C!

[TDomination]

after missing on Paul Pierce in the summer, R.C once again fall a sleep and fucked up situation... now he make the Rockets unstoppable with Howard and Smith inside, great 3 point shooting around them, great defense, great go to player, great bench, no one gonna beat them... i don't understand why saying Smith is a cancer or a team killer, he isn't nothing like that, he just need right position and good coaching, he still top 30 player in the league, fuck R.C!

lol

[Malik Hairston]

Good signing for a team that needs a PF at minimal risk..

What's interesting is that Houston, with their new-age GM, is now going to run one of the most antiquated systems in the league..

All ISO for Harden and Howard with terrible shooting around them:lol..if Ariza continues to struggle, they have nothing in the form of peripheral shooting..

[benstanfield]

This makes Houston one of the better teams in the West tbh, it neutralizes a lot of their matchup problems assuming Smith is still a really good PF defender. Aldridge ain't going for 50 on Smith. He has the athleticism to keep up with Griffin & Draymond Green. I'd much rather roll with Smith on Dirk than TJones.

It it could muck up their middle of the pack offense, but they have good enough isolation scorers to win with defense tbqh. I can't imagine that playing with two low post players on a shitty team with Jennings chucking and SVG shaking his head and making faces to deflect blame would be very conducive to successful basketball for Josh Smith. If he plays at even 75% of his ATL days he's a huge upgrade in every facet but shot selection.

[hsxvvd]

McHale given a 3yr extension, so they'll remain irrelevant for at least that long.

[benstanfield]

:lol All the Reddit efficiency brigade can talk about is his true shooting %
:lol Steve Nash GOAT

[Sean Cagney]

This makes Houston one of the better teams in the West tbh, it neutralizes a lot of their matchup problems assuming Smith is still a really good PF defender. Aldridge ain't going for 50 on Smith. He has the athleticism to keep up with Griffin & Draymond Green. I'd much rather roll with Smith on Dirk than TJones.

It it could muck up their middle of the pack offense, but they have good enough isolation scorers to win with defense tbqh. I can't imagine that playing with two low post players on a shitty team with Jennings chucking and SVG shaking his head and making faces to deflect blame would be very conducive to successful basketball for Josh Smith. If he plays at even 75% of his ATL days he's a huge upgrade in every facet but shot selection.I agree....

[SpursFan86]

:lol All the Reddit efficiency brigade can talk about is his true shooting %
:lol Steve Nash GOAT

People take that shit too far imo :lol Efficiency is nice and all, but it's not everything. Although Josh Smith's efficiency this year has been legitimately all-time bad, a new situation could do wonders for him.

[Malik Hairston]

^^The concern with Smith IMO is that he's a 29-year old that went straight from HS and literally relies entirely on athleticism, so it's possible that he just got washed up as his athleticism has declined..

His numbers in Detroit are largely irrelevant, as that team is severely lacking in talent, so I wouldn't judge him on that, but rather on style of play and history..

[mando6599]

He's one more reason to hate the Rockets. OVERRATED. This is only good news for the Spurs.

[SpursFan86]

^^The concern with Smith IMO is that he's a 29-year old that went straight from HS and literally relies entirely on athleticism, so it's possible that he just got washed up as his athleticism has declined..

He kinda reminds me of Gerald Wallace at the end of his stint with the Nets, tbh. He's definitely lost some athleticism and isn't the defender or finisher at the rim he once was. We'll see if a new situation makes much of a difference or not. Like I said though, it's not like Houston is giving anything up for him, so at worst it'll probably be a lateral move. Although knowing McHale, it could end up being a negative if they continue to play him 30+ mpg despite him being horrible.

[Malik Hairston]

It's a great move for Houston regardless, they have nothing to lose, especially if Jones doesn't return..

[elemento]

They're spending BAE money on Smith. And Howard is his best friend in RL. Do you guys really think that they shouldn't have taken the gamble? It was a really easy choice. They have nothing to lose with the Pistons playing him almost all the money and taking the cap hit.

Some players just need a new environment to play better. Look at Diaw in Charlotte and Diaw in San Antonio. And most guys thought he was done.

I don't know if Smith will work in Houston, but he is definitely worth the gamble at that price.

[timtonymanu]

:cry Oh no, he's in Houston. I'm scared for the Spurs now.

:cry We need to make a trade to compete with the Rondo trade and this.

[Mr Bones]

If Josh Smith adds value to a team, why didn't Detroit improve at all after he went there? They were 29-53 they year before he got there, and had the exact same record in Smith's first season, in the weak eastern conference. They improved slightly the year before Smith got there-- and with a young Drummond and Monroe, doesn't it make sense that they'd get at least a tiny bit better with a new athletic defender? If anything, he was so bad that he negated the growth of Detroit's young players to put them back at 29 wins. That's why I think adding him only appears attractive, but is actually a case of subtraction instead of addition.

[Mel_13]

They're spending BAE money on Smith. And Howard is his best friend in RL. Do you guys really think that they shouldn't have taken the gamble? It was a really easy choice. They have nothing to lose with the Pistons playing him almost all the money and taking the cap hit.

Some players just need a new environment to play better. Look at Diaw in Charlotte and Diaw in San Antonio. And most guys thought he was done.

I don't know if Smith will work in Houston, but he is definitely worth the gamble at that price.

This. Very little risk in the signing.

[benstanfield]

Reminds me of when the Pistons traded for Sheed mid season. The pick they traded ended up being for Smith ironically.

[tmtcsc]

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[Mikeanaro]

Wow now Houston have 2 unparalleled divas, what else can you ask?

[DrunkTXLabrat]

they should start Jason Terry now. Harden, Terry, Ariza, Smith, and D12 should be a potent 3 and D.

[exstatic]

If Josh Smith adds value to a team, why didn't Detroit improve at all after he went there? They were 29-53 they year before he got there, and had the exact same record in Smith's first season, in the weak eastern conference. They improved slightly the year before Smith got there-- and with a young Drummond and Monroe, doesn't it make sense that they'd get at least a tiny bit better with a new athletic defender? If anything, he was so bad that he negated the growth of Detroit's young players to put them back at 29 wins. That's why I think adding him only appears attractive, but is actually a case of subtraction instead of addition.
Oh, and ATL let him walk, and made the playoffs with substantially the same team, minus him.

[Uriel]

My God. Reading the comments on this thread just exposes how unabashedly arrogant Spurs fans are. :lol

[100%duncan]

No risk high reward if ever. Much needed move for them too. However if Harden has a bad night their offense is gonna be awful

[Fireball]

Josh Smith or not ... can we just beat the Rockets once in the regular season ..it feels like we have not done that in ages

[DMC]

No one like Josh Smith will ever come to SA before his retirement years.

[Malik Hairston]

:lol Spurs fans obsessed with washed-up scrubs like Smith and Rondo, tbh..

[ElNono]

:lol he's definitely having immediate impact

[look_at_g_shred]

Love him on the rockets tbh..

[Mr Bones]

Small sample size, but since Josh Smith was waived:

Detroit: 4-0

Houston: 2-3

[timtonymanu]

:lol Spurs fans that wanted this guy

[Sean Cagney]

No one like Josh Smith will ever come to SA before his retirement years.
That is a good thing honestly.

[milkyway21]

Josh Smith 2 pts 1 rbd 0 asst :)

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