Je suis Charlie

[Woo Bum-kon]

ok, try this: The Phelps Baptist church assholes = ALL CHRISTIANS

Wow, even if that was true, picketing wouldn't nearly be the same as mass murder. I'm no fan of Christianity, but a lot of Muslims are fucking primitive.

[boutons_deux]

Wow, even if that was true, picketing wouldn't nearly be the same as mass murder. I'm no fan of Christianity, but a lot of Muslims are fucking primitive.

mass murder isn't the issue. It's condemning, HATING all Muslims because of a tiny percentage of radicals claiming to act for Alla.

And if you want "fucking primitive" in the religion sector, try creationists, Bible humping literalists, End Timers, IDers.

[Woo Bum-kon]

mass murder isn't the issue. It's condemning, HATING all Muslims because of a tiny percentage of radicals claiming to act for Alla.

And if you want "fucking primitive" in the religion sector, try creationists, Bible humping literalists, End Timers, IDers.

Again, I am no fan of Christianity. When it comes to religion bashing on here, I've attacked Christianity far, far more than Islam. You bringing up radical Christians is pointless, because in the end, the creationists, homophobes and Bible thumpers aren't the ones constantly committing mass murder because Christianity was criticized. Westboro Baptist Church pickets funerals; radical Muslims cause them.

I just don't understand why liberals defend Islam so much while bashing Christianity. Radical Muslims are just as bad, and often times worse, than radical Christians. All the right-wing bigotry that you love to whine about exists at even worse extents in Muslim countries. Women, gays, non-Muslims, etc. are treated deplorably, but you ignore their civil rights violations. Instead, you do mental gymnastics to try to blame "repugs" for everything that is wrong in the world.

[boutons_deux]

"liberals defend Islam so much while bashing Christianity"

Who is defending Islam. I, for one, am trashing those haters who hate ALL Muslims because the crimes of a few.

btw, US "Christians" have murdered in the name of Christ. So let's hate ALL Christians, ok?

[EVAY]

The rally in Paris this morning is pretty impressive. 46 world leaders showing up, including the PLO and Jordanian heads of State.

Lots of muslims holding up sign saying not only "je suis Charlie", but also "je suis Juif".

Have to wish that the U.S. had sent at least Biden, rather than just Holder, who 'happened to be there for other reasons'. Damn. Poor judgement, once again, by this administration.

[Trill Clinton]

white supremacists, KKK and skinhead have murdered millions and all claim to be christians.

[boutons_deux]

The Kosher shop employee who herded most of the Kosher shop's customers into the safety of a food storage room, saved their lives, was not Jewish, he was black, and a Muslim.

[Winehole23]

reprisal attacks against Mosques and French citizens: http://www.vox.com/2015/1/10/7524731/french-muslims-attacks-charlie-hebdo

[Woo Bum-kon]

"liberals defend Islam so much while bashing Christianity"

Who is defending Islam. I, for one, am trashing those haters who hate ALL Muslims because the crimes of a few.

btw, US "Christians" have murdered in the name of Christ. So let's hate ALL Christians, ok?




Cool job ignoring most of my post like the coward you are.

[Woo Bum-kon]

white supremacists, KKK and skinhead have murdered millions and all claim to be christians.

So have black and Hispanic gangbangers. So have the majorities of murderers in the US, going by the population.

[boutons_deux]

Cool job ignoring most of my post like the coward you are.

I ignored nothing. Nor do I defend Muslim countries, so HGY

btw, in USA, Christians: "Women, gays, non-Christians, democracy, rationality, science, rape victims, etc, etc. are treated deplorably"

[Woo Bum-kon]

I ignored nothing. Nor do I defend Muslim countries, so HGY

btw, in USA, Christians: "Women, gays, non-Christians, democracy, rationality, science, rape victims, etc, etc. are treated deplorably"




Are those minorities treated better or worse in Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc.?

[boutons_deux]

Are those minorities treated better or worse in Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc.?

what difference does it make? each country to its own, esp developed, industrial countries vs the others.

If you want to compare countries, compare USA to other developed countries, education costs and outcomes, poverty, unemployment, health care costs and outcomes, murder rate, prison populations, financial predators, capital punishment (Texas!!), etc, etc.

[Woo Bum-kon]

what difference does it make? each country to its own, esp developed, industrial countries vs the others.

Extent makes ALL the difference. All the groups you mentioned are treated far worse by Muslims, but you ardently defend them while shoehorning your right-wing hate into almost every discussion.

[boutons_deux]

Extent makes ALL the difference. All the groups you mentioned are treated far worse by Muslims, but you ardently defend them while shoehorning your right-wing hate into almost every discussion.

I defend Muslim practices? where? GFY

[JoeTait75]

I just don't understand why liberals defend Islam so much while bashing Christianity.

Simple: a lot of progressives are "for" anyone who is against what they see as their biggest enemy: the White, working-class West. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[Woo Bum-kon]

I defend Muslim practices? where? GFY

Every time shit like this happens, you defend Muslims, but every time somebody on the right makes an ignorant comment, you equate all "repugs" to that person. I just find it bizarre how you will stick up for Muslims when radicals commit atrocities while hating on the far-right. The far-right would be seen as social liberals in those Muslim countries you love so much.

[boutons_deux]

Every time shit like this happens, you defend Muslims,

You Fucking Lie

you rightwingnuts, Repugs, bubbas, rednecks, Christians DESERVE all the pushback any of us throw at you. You're a MUCH BIGGER threat to USA that Muslim terrorists.

[Woo Bum-kon]

You Fucking Lie



I lie? You're defending them right now.


you rightwingnuts, Repugs, bubbas, rednecks, Christians

I am none of these, you political jargon spewing bot. I have stated as much several times before.


DESERVE all the pushback any of us throw at you.

Which is neither here nor there.

Again, a Republican makes a racist remark, and you swoop in and say that all right-wingers are like him/her; Muslim terrorists murder 12 people for exercising free speech, and you swoop in and say "not all Muslims are like that" while conveniently ignoring that millions of Muslims condone the murder of those who criticize their religion.

Where's the consistency?

[Spurminator]

Simple: a lot of progressives are "for" anyone who is against what they see as their biggest enemy: the White, working-class West. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

That's just stupid.

[Brazil]

funny the absence of Obama is making more noise in the US than in France tbh..

[boutons_deux]

funny the absence of Obama is making more noise in the US than in France tbh..

Kerry's in France today, "fashionably late"

[Brazil]

Kerry's in France today, "fashionably late"

yeah but in France, people comment the Obama's vive la France... I don't feel there is an issue with US and Obama. Not sure why it's being so much commented in US...

[CosmicCowboy]

I think the issue is more about the optics...The Obama policy is to pretend the muslim terrorists are random criminals and not call them what they are...muslim terrorists. It is White House policy. A perfect example is our own Nidal Hasan who gunned down dozens of soldiers at Ft. Hood while screaming Allah Ahkbar and has made many post arrest statements about his allegiance to Islam as his motive...and the White House continues to call it "workplace violence".

[boutons_deux]

Kerry's in France today, "fashionably late"

just heard instead he's on surprise visit to Pakistan

[boutons_deux]

Fox pudenda: Paris was terrorized because French people have smartphones instead of guns

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/fox_ff_paris_guns_140112c-800x430.jpg

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/fox-pundit-paris-was-terrorized-because-french-people-have-smartphones-instead-of-guns/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[CosmicCowboy]

Fox pudenda: Paris was terrorized because French people have smartphones instead of guns

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/fox_ff_paris_guns_140112c-800x430.jpg

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/fox-pundit-paris-was-terrorized-because-french-people-have-smartphones-instead-of-guns/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

True to a certain extent. A redneck with a concealed carry Glock could have capped the terrorists ass while he was standing over the cop instead of taking his picture.

[boutons_deux]

bullshit, Sell More Guns! It's ALL ABOUT THE $$$$.

[RandomGuy]

End game is extinction of Whites and Blacks

End game of who?

Current inhabitants of Africa will have the largest lasting impact on the species' gene pool. Very simple demographics.

[RandomGuy]

True to a certain extent. A redneck with a concealed carry Glock could have capped the terrorists ass while he was standing over the cop instead of taking his picture.

Can't really argue with that.

[RandomGuy]

"the main issue with Muslims is: not wanting to assimilate. They take over neighborhoods: only shop in Muslim stores, eat in Muslim restaurants and socialize in Muslim spots. Which drives out every other business but their own."

... exactly the same happens with East and South Asians, blacks, Hispanics, Jews, LGBT. Those groups and Muslims also get abused with racism from whites. And that racism gives those groups motivation to stay within their own group.




Also not untrue, but in the end, when you have a huge country like the US, those identifications break down over time, even so.

[ChumpDumper]

True to a certain extent. A redneck with a concealed carry Glock could have capped the terrorists ass while he was standing over the cop instead of taking his picture.Yes, one of our own posters single handedly stopped the Aurora shootings with a headshot to the perp in a dark theater.

God bless America.

[lefty]

Yes, one of our own posters single handedly stopped the Aurora shootings with a headshot to the perp in a dark theater.

God bless America.
:lol

[CosmicCowboy]

Also not untrue, but in the end, when you have a huge country like the US, those identifications break down over time, even so.

True. I eat Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese, Indian, middle eastern, soul food, mexican food, Deli, and LGBT at Green. Americans really are culturally assimilated.

And Boo considers me to be a classic redneck.

[CosmicCowboy]

Yes, one of our own posters single handedly stopped the Aurora shootings with a headshot to the perp in a dark theater.

God bless America.

Might have if they had allowed licensed concealed carry in the theater. Obviously we will never know.

[ChumpDumper]

Might have if they had allowed licensed concealed carry in the theater. Obviously we will never know.I know.

He told me.

[boutons_deux]

Boo considers me to be a classic redneck.

Do Not Doubt The Great Boutons, redneck. rednecks will (over) eat any old shit, esp if it's got bacon, chemical cheese, ketchup, BBQ sauce, ranch dressing, fried anything

[Axl Rose]

Yes, one of our own posters single handedly stopped the Aurora shootings with a headshot to the perp in a dark theater.

God bless America.
You are such a groveling little pussy, youd probably ask the perpetrators if you could suck their cocks before they put a 7.62x39 into your sick head.

[Axl Rose]

Do Not Doubt The Great Boutons, redneck. rednecks will (over) eat any old shit, esp if it's got bacon, chemical cheese, ketchup, BBQ sauce, ranch dressing, fried anything
Somebody put a muzzle on this mad dog, he's foaming at the mouth

[ChumpDumper]

You are such a groveling little pussy, youd probably ask the perpetrators if you could suck their cocks before they put a 7.62x39 into your sick head.What makes you say that?

I am just repeated what I was told here.

[Infinite_limit]

http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac255/kegstermd/10906413_990998467581725_849737287179637576_n_zps9 befe381.jpg




:lol

[boutons_deux]

http://www.topito.com/top-photos-marche-republicaine-hommage-victimes-je-suis-charlie

crowds applauding the police

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=793783124027679

[boutons_deux]

The Charlie Hebdo cartoons no one is showing you. (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/01/11/1357057/-The-Charlie-Hebdo-cartoons-no-one-is-showing-you)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/01/11/1357057/-The-Charlie-Hebdo-cartoons-no-one-is-showing-you?detail=email

and

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/01/09/1356615/-Cartoon-For-Charlie-Hebdo-pen-nbsp-gt-nbsp-terror?detail=email

[boutons_deux]

charlie hebdo strikes back with Mohammed on the cover:

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2483520/thumbs/o-CHARLIE-COVER-570.jpg?5

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/12/charlie-hebdo-cover-je-suis-charlie_n_6458876.html?ir=Media&utm_campaign=011215&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Alert-media&utm_content=FullStory

[pgardn]

Yes, one of our own posters single handedly stopped the Aurora shootings with a headshot to the perp in a dark theater.

God bless America.

Even cooler would be more than one of our rednecks in not only dark, but smoky theatre as it were.
Then maybe no one would have survived and we could send WC to reconstruct the crime scene.
Wait a sec... He would have died protecting the moviegoers from the multiple ST perps.

[boutons_deux]

I think the issue is more about the optics...The Obama policy is to pretend the muslim terrorists are random criminals and not call them what they are...muslim terrorists. It is White House policy. A perfect example is our own Nidal Hasan who gunned down dozens of soldiers at Ft. Hood while screaming Allah Ahkbar and has made many post arrest statements about his allegiance to Islam as his motive...and the White House continues to call it "workplace violence".

How would this look to ya, if Obama addressed such issues this way, speaking about abortionist murderers, Phelps Church, violent harassers, bombers of visitors and staff to family planning clinics.

"America must be extremely vigilant in defending itself against CHRISTIAN terrorists"

[spurraider21]

Muslim mayor of Rotterdam Ahmed Aboutaleb tells Islamists to 'pack your bags' and 'f**k off' on live TV (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/muslim-mayor-rotterdam-ahmed-aboutaleb-tells-islamists-pack-your-bags-fck-off-live-tv-1483127)




The Muslim mayor of the Dutch city of Rotterdam has told Muslims who turn their back on freedom to "pack your bags" and "f**k off", live on television.
Ahmed Aboutaleb told NewsHour of his anger at the refusal of a number of Muslims to adapt to their new surroundings, which he said he has done after living in Holland since 1976.

"It is incomprehensible that you can turn against freedom... But if you don't like freedom, for heaven's sake pack your bags and leave," he said.

"There may be a place in the world where you can be yourself, be honest with yourself and do not go and kill innocent journalists. And if you do not like it here because humorists you do not like make a newspaper, may I then say you can f**k off.

"This is stupid, this so incomprehensible. Vanish from the Netherlands if you cannot find your place here. All those well-meaning Muslims here will now be stared at".

Over half of Rotterdam's population consists of ethnic minorities and non-native residents.

Aboutaleb is Moroccan-born and became the mayor of Rotterdam in 2008. According to Breitbart, he was initially criticised by anti-Islam parties within the Netherlands but has outlasted the stigma of his faith.

This is not the first time that he has made controversial comments about Dutch Muslims, in 2004 he said that if they did not wish to practice Dutch values they could "catch the first plane out".

Aboutaleb is not the only Dutch politician to speak out against Muslims who are perceived as being against Dutch values. Party for Freedom (PVV) leader Geert Wilders has been under police protection since 2004 for his statements on Islam.

"Anyone who expresses support for terror as a means to overthrow our constitutional democracy, as far as I'm concerned, should leave the country at once," he told the Hague (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/dutch-politician-geert-wilders-if-youre-waving-isis-flag-youre-waving-exit-ticket-leave-1464224) last September.

"If you are waving an Islamic State [IS] flag, you are waving an exit ticket. Leave!"

[boutons_deux]

Muslim mayor of Rotterdam Ahmed Aboutaleb tells Islamists to 'pack your bags' and 'f**k off' on live TV (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/muslim-mayor-rotterdam-ahmed-aboutaleb-tells-islamists-pack-your-bags-fck-off-live-tv-1483127)



... just another Muslim anti-terrorist that Fox Repug network will ignore.

[CosmicCowboy]

... just another Muslim anti-terrorist that Fox Repug network will ignore.

Like Boutons ignores Abdel Fattah al-Sissi?

[boutons_deux]

Like Boutons ignores Abdel Fattah al-Sissi?

link? where I support this dude?

[CosmicCowboy]

link? where I support this dude?

why wouldn't you support him?

[boutons_deux]

why wouldn't you support him?

I haven't followed Egypt recently. Anyone could, should be better than Muslim Brotherhood's Morsi. But time will tell.

[Big Empty]

Im all about freedom of press, and God knows im guilty of judging all muslims based off the extremist like ISIS. But there are 1.5 billion muslims. Is it really a good idea to continue to print cartoons making fun of them? Its just gonna get more people killed just to prove a point. One thing i will admit is those extremist will die in a heart beat for what they believe in. So are u ok with provoking them and causing even more terror against people because of it?

[CosmicCowboy]

I haven't followed Egypt recently. Anyone could, should be better than Muslim Brotherhood's Morsi. But time will tell.

From his new years speech directed to the Mullahs


I am referring here to the religious clerics. We have to think hard about what we are facing—and I have, in fact, addressed this topic a couple of times before. It’s inconceivable that the thinking that we hold most sacred should cause the entire umma [Islamic world] to be a source of anxiety, danger, killing and destruction for the rest of the world. Impossible!

That thinking—I am not saying “religion” but “thinking”—that corpus of texts and ideas that we have sacralized over the centuries, to the point that departing from them has become almost impossible, is antagonizing the entire world. It’s antagonizing the entire world!

Is it possible that 1.6 billion people [Muslims] should want to kill the rest of the world’s inhabitants—that is 7 billion—so that they themselves may live? Impossible!

I am saying these words here at Al Azhar, before this assembly of scholars and ulema—Allah Almighty be witness to your truth on Judgment Day concerning that which I’m talking about now.

All this that I am telling you, you cannot feel it if you remain trapped within this mindset. You need to step outside of yourselves to be able to observe it and reflect on it from a more enlightened perspective.

I say and repeat again that we are in need of a religious revolution. You, imams, are responsible before Allah. The entire world, I say it again, the entire world is waiting for your next move… because this umma is being torn, it is being destroyed, it is being lost—and it is being lost by our own hands.

[boutons_deux]

From his new years speech directed to the Mullahs

I don't think the vast bulk of the Muslim ideas, text need redoing. But as with Christians where bizarre extremists interpret the Bible weirdly AND FALSELY and unChristian-ly, those mullahs and imams that do the same with their scriptures, like IS and Wahabi sect, should be put in their place, "policed" and restrained by moderate Muslims.

Of course, nearly all of the Muslim shit the world is having now is due to you Repugs invading Iraq for oil, destabilizing the Middle East, plus Gitmo, torture, Abu Ghraib, bombing civilians, GWOT, etc. Thanks, Repugs!

Most of world thinks the USA is fucking crazy and the biggest threat to world peace.

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't think the vast bulk of the Muslim ideas, text need redoing. But as with Christians where bizarre extremists interpret the Bible weirdly AND FALSELY and unChristian-ly, those mullahs and imams that do the same with their scriptures, like IS and Wahabi sect, should be put in their place, "policed" and restrained by moderate Muslims.

Of course, nearly all of the Muslim shit the world is having now is due to you Repugs invading Iraq for oil, destabilizing the Middle East, plus Gitmo, torture, Abu Ghraib, bombing civilians, GWOT, etc. Thanks, Repugs!

Most of world thinks the USA is fucking crazy and the biggest threat to world peace.

You sure are a stupid fuck. It is impossible to have a conversation without you foaming at the mouth.

[lefty]

shut up faggots

[boutons_deux]

You sure are a stupid fuck. It is impossible to have a conversation without you foaming at the mouth.

so you deny that your Repugs invading Iraq for oil and destabilizing the M/E had anything to with the shit storm, with Charlie Hebdo's shooters? :lol

[Nero5]

You sure are a stupid fuck. It is impossible to have a conversation without you foaming at the mouth.

you often seem to reply to posts with such comments. Is it because you do not want to debate the worth of the argument postulated? Surely it cannot be too complex.

[CosmicCowboy]

so you deny that your Repugs invading Iraq for oil and destabilizing the M/E had anything to with the shit storm, with Charlie Hebdo's shooters? :lol

If we invaded for oil then why didn't we get the oil? i think the invasion was a mistake but I think your RSS feed oversimplification is even stupider.

[hater]

If we invaded for oil then why didn't we get the oil? i think the invasion was a mistake but I think your RSS feed oversimplification is even stupider.

"we" are not getting oil dummy. it's the oil companies who are keeping control and monopoly of it. lol "we"

[CosmicCowboy]

"we" are not getting oil dummy. it's the oil companies who are keeping control and monopoly of it. lol "we"

You apparently read the same RSS feeds boobird does...

http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1948787,00.html


Those who claim that the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003 to get control of the country's giant oil reserves will be left scratching their heads by the results of last weekend's auction of Iraqi oil contracts: Not a single U.S. company secured a deal in the auction of contracts that will shape the Iraqi oil industry for the next couple of decades. Two of the most lucrative of the multi-billion-dollar oil contracts went to two countries which bitterly opposed the U.S. invasion — Russia and China — while even Total Oil of France, which led the charge to deny international approval for the war at the U.N. Security Council in 2003, won a bigger stake than the Americans in the most recent auction. "[The distribution of oil contracts] certainly answers the theory that the war was for the benefit of big U.S. oil interests," says Alex Munton, Middle East oil analyst for the energy consultancy Wood Mackenzie, whose clients include major U.S. companies. "That has not been demonstrated by what has happened this week."

[Th'Pusher]

If we invaded for oil then why didn't we get the oil? i think the invasion was a mistake but I think your RSS feed oversimplification is even stupider.
What's the MIC enriched by the U.S. Invasion of Iraq? What about Halliburton?

[ElNono]

You apparently read the same RSS feeds boobird does...

http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1948787,00.html

Uh? That was just one bid, one where:

That might have been the thinking of U.S. oil giants, which largely stayed away from last week's bidding

Also on the same article...

In a previous bid round last June, Iraq handed control to the giant Rumaila field near Basra to Britain's BP, while ExxonMobil later took an 80% stake in another huge field, West Qurna Phase 1, and plan to eventually pump 2.5 million barrels a day

[ElNono]

Service Contracts Licensing Results (sorted by gross revenue/year)



Field / Block
Company
Home country
Company type
Share in field
Plateau production target (bpd)
Service fee per bbl ($)
Gross revenue at plateau ($/yr)


West Qurna Field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Qurna_Field) Phase 1
Exxon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon)
US
Public
60%
2,325,000
1.9
967,432,500


Rumaila (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumaila_oil_field)
BP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BP)
UK
Public
37.5%
2,850,000
2
780,187,500


Rumaila (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumaila_oil_field)
CNPC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNPC)
China
State
37.5%
2,850,000
2
780,187,500


West Qurna Field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Qurna_Field) Phase 2
Lukoil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lukoil)
Russia
Public
75%
1,800,000
1.15
566,662,500


Majnoon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majnoon)
Shell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Dutch_Shell)
Netherlands
Public
45%
1,800,000
1.39
410,953,500



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_industry_in_Iraq#Service_Contracts_Licen sing_Results

[boutons_deux]

If we invaded for oil then why didn't we get the oil? i think the invasion was a mistake but I think your RSS feed oversimplification is even stupider.

US/UK BigOil didn't get oil? :lol

btw, dubya/dickhead's URGENCY of invading Iraq for oil was that Saddam was negotiating oil contracts in early 2003 with Russia, France, and China, excluding US and UK.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/11305645/Ashti-Hawrami-Iraq-could-be-Opecs-second-largest-oil-exporter.html

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/12/2011122813134071641.html

US/UK BigOil didn't get Iraq's oil? :lol

[RandomGuy]

From his new years speech directed to the Mullahs

This is the muslim enlightenment that really might help bring islam out of the dark ages.

Not sure the structure of the religion is such that it will work, though. So much fundamentalism and wahhabism that would react violently to it.

Thanks for the link/name excerpt though. I will mark it for some follow up reading.

[RandomGuy]

Like Boutons ignores Abdel Fattah al-Sissi?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/01/11/islam-branding-immigration-europe-criticism-islamic-world-egyptian-president-column/21599297/

Link to USA today column. Has the same quote you posted, so I would guess a good possibility that is where you got it.

BBC has a good profile on him:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-19256730

[boutons_deux]

This is the muslim enlightenment that really might help bring islam out of the dark ages.

Not sure the structure of the religion is such that it will work, though. So much fundamentalism and wahhabism that would react violently to it.

Thanks for the link/name excerpt though. I will mark it for some follow up reading.

ALL Muslims aren't "in the dark ages", just as ALL Christians do not read only the OT and ignore everything Christ preached in the NT.

[RandomGuy]

ALL Muslims aren't "in the dark ages", just as ALL Christians do not read only the OT and ignore everything Christ preached in the NT.

Islam as a whole is quite in the dark ages.

If one looks globally at the entirety of people that profess to be muslim, you will find the vast majority live in poor, uneducated countries. There is a rather large percentage, if not a plurality of muslims that are outright illiterate, if memory serves.

This is not conducive to spontaneous change, IMO.

Polls of muslims globally consistently show them to be outright believers in conspiracy theories and all sorts of rubbish ideas. You yourself alluded to it when you rightly pointed out how the rest of the world tends to view the US, i.e. through the lense of Gitmo and Abu Gharaib.

[boutons_deux]

Islam as a whole is quite in the dark ages.

If one looks globally at the entirety of people that profess to be muslim, you will find the vast majority live in poor, uneducated countries. There is a rather large percentage, if not a plurality of muslims that are outright illiterate, if memory serves.

This is not conducive to spontaneous change, IMO.

Polls of muslims globally consistently show them to be outright believers in conspiracy theories and all sorts of rubbish ideas. You yourself alluded to it when you rightly pointed out how the rest of the world tends to view the US, i.e. through the lense of Gitmo and Abu Gharaib.

It's hard to see separate whether religion holds societies back (eg, backward, uneducated Christians are certainly retarding progress in the USA) or whether backward, uneducated societies are suckers for religion.

In Europe, I'd say the nominally Catholic countries are backward (Ireland, Spain, Italy).

French society was backwark/feudal, the 1% (church + royalty) effectively enslaving the 99%, until the French Revolution, and France severely separated into secular and religious factions, to this day.

There are OBVIOUSLy millions, 100Ms?, of educated, sophisticated, tolerant, moderate Muslims around the world.

The rest of the world lost their enchantment with their post war hero, exemplar USA in the 1960s and the unnecessary, LOST Viet Nam war. Then in the 80s with St Ronnie invading, bullying tiny countries, and supporting Muslims in Afghanistan against the Russians, and supporting Saddam's attack on Iran. Some sympathy after 9/11, but then USA fucked up in Afghanistan, and invaded Iraq for oil. Gitmo and Abu Ghraib pretty much destroyed any American claim to being a Christian country, on higher moral ground, preaching to all the countries American deemed inferior.

[RandomGuy]

It's hard to see separate whether religion holds societies back (eg, backward, uneducated Christians are certainly retarding progress in the USA) or whether backward, uneducated societies are suckers for religion.

In Europe, I'd say the nominally Catholic countries are backward (Ireland, Spain, Italy).

French society was backwark/feudal, the 1% (church + royalty) effectively enslaving the 99%, until the French Revolution, and France severely separated into secular and religious factions, to this day.

There are OBVIOUSLy millions, 100Ms?, of educated, sophisticated, tolerant, moderate Muslims around the world.

The rest of the world lost their enchantment with their post war hero, exemplar USA in the 1960s and the unnecessary, LOST Viet Nam war. Then in the 80s with St Ronnie invading, bullying tiny countries, and supporting Muslims in Afghanistan against the Russians, and supporting Saddam's attack on Iran. Some sympathy after 9/11, but then USA fucked up in Afghanistan, and invaded Iraq for oil. Gitmo and Abu Ghraib pretty much destroyed any American claim to being a Christian country, on higher moral ground, preaching to all the countries American deemed inferior.

I pretty much agree. Personally I think that religion tends to be a mixed bag when it comes to education and advancement, but ultimately the abdication of reason (believing something without good evidence) is the fatal flaw of religious ideas, and tips the scale to the negative.

[DarrinS]

Islam as a whole is quite in the dark ages.

If one looks globally at the entirety of people that profess to be muslim, you will find the vast majority live in poor, uneducated countries. There is a rather large percentage, if not a plurality of muslims that are outright illiterate, if memory serves.

This is not conducive to spontaneous change, IMO.

Polls of muslims globally consistently show them to be outright believers in conspiracy theories and all sorts of rubbish ideas. You yourself alluded to it when you rightly pointed out how the rest of the world tends to view the US, i.e. through the lense of Gitmo and Abu Gharaib.



A moment of moral clarity from RG. :clap

[Nero5]

Islam as a whole is quite in the dark ages.

If one looks globally at the entirety of people that profess to be muslim, you will find the vast majority live in poor, uneducated countries. There is a rather large percentage, if not a plurality of muslims that are outright illiterate, if memory serves.

This is not conducive to spontaneous change, IMO.

Polls of muslims globally consistently show them to be outright believers in conspiracy theories and all sorts of rubbish ideas. You yourself alluded to it when you rightly pointed out how the rest of the world tends to view the US, i.e. through the lense of Gitmo and Abu Gharaib.


You need to look around you more. The US has slipped mightily in terms of literacy, which you use your own and not the international measure to judge your own population. The US military grunt ranks are filled with poor trash who see the armed services as a 'way out' and the US has one of the highest incarceration rates in the world, again mainly made up of poor illiterate people. There is also good argument that the USA's incarcerated population has become an economic necessity. As far as conspiracy theories - good lord where do we start: birthers, truthers, tea party, anti climate change, NRA, FOX news, Illuminati, KKK, WASP's etc etc.

[Nero5]

It's hard to see separate whether religion holds societies back (eg, backward, uneducated Christians are certainly retarding progress in the USA) or whether backward, uneducated societies are suckers for religion.

In Europe, I'd say the nominally Catholic countries are backward (Ireland, Spain, Italy).

French society was backwark/feudal, the 1% (church + royalty) effectively enslaving the 99%, until the French Revolution, and France severely separated into secular and religious factions, to this day.

There are OBVIOUSLy millions, 100Ms?, of educated, sophisticated, tolerant, moderate Muslims around the world.

The rest of the world lost their enchantment with their post war hero, exemplar USA in the 1960s and the unnecessary, LOST Viet Nam war. Then in the 80s with St Ronnie invading, bullying tiny countries, and supporting Muslims in Afghanistan against the Russians, and supporting Saddam's attack on Iran. Some sympathy after 9/11, but then USA fucked up in Afghanistan, and invaded Iraq for oil. Gitmo and Abu Ghraib pretty much destroyed any American claim to being a Christian country, on higher moral ground, preaching to all the countries American deemed inferior.

You are jumping across centuries and glossing over massive societal changes, wars and political changes which dilutes your argument.
If you go pre-industrial revolution you struggle to seperate religion from education apart from for the wealthy. Judiasm had a systematic advantage for it's followers in that a central tenant was the need to read and hopefully write in order to be versed in the Torah. Hence the high level of jewish scholars. The Catholic church actively excluded participation in such a manner by opposing bibles in anything but latin, but then the catholic church has followed it's italian roots by Machiavellian meddling in european politics for centuries. But don't equate christian with catholic, there were a great number of enlightened Christian churches/faiths that embraced change and 'enlightenment' e.g. Quakers, Welsh reform and to a lesser extent liberal lutheran. Islam was not the religion is it now: there was good argument that the industrial revolution would have occurred centuries earlier had Islam conquered Europe in the dark ages...but the enlightened periods in Islam have been short, mostly due to politics than anything else. The moor invasion of Spain is a good case in point: At it's peak the tolerance, medicine, education and arts were far more developed than the rest of europe, but it did not last and was weakened from within before being destroyed from without.

[unleashbaynes]

Im all about freedom of press, and God knows im guilty of judging all muslims based off the extremist like ISIS. But there are 1.5 billion muslims. Is it really a good idea to continue to print cartoons making fun of them? Its just gonna get more people killed just to prove a point. One thing i will admit is those extremist will die in a heart beat for what they believe in. So are u ok with provoking them and causing even more terror against people because of it?

Yeah....it's kind of weird that this new standard is being set, where if you don't publish cartoons that insult the sacred beliefs of others, you automatically don't believe in free speech. Like god forbid some news outlets actually care about not offending people.

[Blizzardwizard]

shut up faggots




http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7n9xtvJ9K1qi4uu3.gif

[RandomGuy]

You need to look around you more. The US has slipped mightily in terms of literacy, which you use your own and not the international measure to judge your own population. The US military grunt ranks are filled with poor trash who see the armed services as a 'way out' and the US has one of the highest incarceration rates in the world, again mainly made up of poor illiterate people. There is also good argument that the USA's incarcerated population has become an economic necessity. As far as conspiracy theories - good lord where do we start: birthers, truthers, tea party, anti climate change, NRA, FOX news, Illuminati, KKK, WASP's etc etc.

(shrugs)

My post was about Islam and global demographics.

Cataloging my countries shortfalls and problems, while important, was not germaine. I do not shy away from admitting, or pointing out the problems with my own country, which are many as you very rightly point out.

[hater]

“One cannot react violently, but if [someone] says something bad about my mother, he can expect a punch. It’s to be expected,” the pontiff said. “There are a lot of people who speak badly about other religions. They make fun of them. What happens is what happens with my friend [who insults my mother]. There is a limit.”

the Pope drops the hammer :lmao

[RandomGuy]

A moment of moral clarity from RG. :clap

Not sure how that is "moral" clarity. Merely an analysis based on evidence available.

[boutons_deux]

Texas Pro-Gun Group Stage Mock Charlie Hebdo Attacks with Armed Civilians—Fails Every Time

A pro-gun group behind the website pro-gun website The Truth About Guns (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/01/robert-farago/ttag-paris-attack-sim-planos-patriot-protection-go-afternoon/)has found that if the employees of Charlie Hebdo were armed it probably wouldn’t have made a difference in the outcome of the attack.

Dallas television station KTVT-TV reported that the group conducted a "Monday morning quarterback" simulation on Tuesday where they constructed a set mimicking the layout of the Charlie Hebdo offices and then reenacted the attack scenario several times, with two actors playing the terrorist gunmen staging a surprise assault. The only difference was that this time, the volunteers took turns playing the role of an armed civilian trying to foil the attacks.

The group found that in 11 out of 12 tries, the civilian was “killed” by a shot from the mock attackers, who actually fired paint rounds from their weapons. In only two cases out of many were the armed volunteers able to get off a shot where they “killed” one person playing the role of an armed gunman.

video here: http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/gun-group-finds-armed-civilian-wouldnt-have-stopped-charlie-hebdo-attacks

sicko gun fellators, bleeding NRA/GOA propaganda

[SupremeGuy]

While you're busy searching for far left links to post, this is what the rest of the Western World is concerned with:

Terror Crackdown in Europe: Raids in Belgium, France and Germany. (http://abcnews.go.com/International/12-detained-connection-paris-attacks-prosecutors-office/story?id=28266403)

[boutons_deux]

While you're busy searching for far left links to post, this is what the rest of the Western World is concerned with:

Terror Crackdown in Europe: Raids in Belgium, France and Germany. (http://abcnews.go.com/International/12-detained-connection-paris-attacks-prosecutors-office/story?id=28266403)

rest of the Western World! :lol

[Blizzardwizard]

"But but if all the hostages had guns they'd be alive, I know it you guys :cry"

[CosmicCowboy]

Personally, I'd rather get killed shooting back than being unarmed and just shitting my pants waiting for him to pull the trigger.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Sure looks like more than a handful of Muslims across the Middle East protesting/rioting Charlie Hebdo

[boutons_deux]

Personally, I'd rather get killed shooting back than being unarmed and just shitting my pants waiting for him to pull the trigger.

and the 1000s of armed CC's in 1000s of offices would have killed more of their co-workers, etc accidentally than terrorists would have.

[CosmicCowboy]

and the 1000s of armed CC's in 1000s of offices would have killed more of their co-workers, etc accidentally than terrorists would have.

Nobody has come even close to getting killed in my office yet.

[boutons_deux]

Nobody has come even close to getting killed in my office yet.

anecdotal, and useless

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/world/united-states/story/europe-needs-better-integrate-muslim-communities-obama-20150117


WASHINGTON (AFP) - US President Barack Obama on Friday urged European governments to try to better assimilate their Muslim minority populations as they respond to extremist attacks like last week’s shootings in Paris.
At a White House news conference with British Prime Minister David Cameron, his first foreign guest since last week’s Charlie Hebdo massacre, Obama said the allies would stand by France.
But he also warned that the answer to the recent violence must not simply be a security crackdown.
“I know David joins me when I say that we will continue to do everything in our power to help France seek the justice that is needed, and that all our countries are working together seamlessly to prevent attacks and to defeat these terrorist networks,” Obama said.
Obama said the Paris attacks “underscored how terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda and ISIL (ISIS) are actively trying to inspire and support people within our own countries to engage in terrorism.”
The US leader said the 2013 Boston marathon bombing showed that the United States was not entirely safe from Islamic militant cells, but suggested that it had had more success than others in integrating minorities.
“Our biggest advantage, major, is that our Muslim populations feel themselves to be Americans and there is this incredible process of immigration and assimilation that is part of our tradition,” he said.
“There are parts of Europe in which that’s not the case... it’s important for Europe not to simply respond with a hammer and law enforcement and military approaches to these problems.”
And he added: “There also has to be a recognition that the stronger the ties of a North African or a Frenchman of North African descent to French liberties, that’s going to be important over time.”
He said the United States would hold a summit in February on countering violent extremism and the threat of radicalised Islamist fighters returning to their home countries from the war in Syria.
“David and the United Kingdom continue to be strong partners in this work, including sharing intelligence and strengthening border security,” he said, dubbing Britain an “indispensable ally.”
THREATS TO STABILITY
Cameron said the two had agreed to set up “a joint group to identify what more we can do to counter the rise of domestic violent extremism and to learn from one another.”
He described the battle facing Western governments as a “long, patient and hard struggle” and dubbed the enemy a “poisonous fanatical death cult... perverting the religion of Islam.”
The United States and Britain already cooperate closely in global electronic surveillance, and Cameron said the two leaders had agreed to deepen their cooperation on cyber-security.
In a separate statement, the White House said the US National Security Agency and FBI would form a joint cyber-security cell with British domestic intelligence MI5 and eavesdropping agency GCHQ.
This will speed intelligence sharing and strengthen the allies’ defences against cyber-attacks from foreign governments and criminals, the leaders said.
The partners will begin their reinforced cooperation with a year-long exercise to test and strengthen the defences of the financial sector.
In recent weeks, Washington has been embarrassed by the seizure of a military Twitter account by Islamic militant sympathisers and angered by North Korea’s alleged hacking of Hollywood studio Sony Pictures.
But trans-Atlantic partnership has also had successes.
A young hacker – suspected of taking part in attacks that shut down online gaming platforms over Christmas – was arrested Friday in a joint operation with the FBI and British police.
Obama, 53, is beginning his last two years in office, while Cameron, 48, is preparing for general elections in May that are expected to be very close and could mark the end of his coalition government.
- See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/world/united-states/story/europe-needs-better-integrate-muslim-communities-obama-20150117#sthash.kvCQA2YZ.dpuf

[boutons_deux]

"European governments to try to better assimilate their Muslim minority populations"

American governments should try to better assimilate their black, brown minority populations

[TheSanityAnnex]

Here we go again

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/man-takes-hostages-in-post-office-near-paris-1421415303-slideshow/

An armed man has taken several hostages at a post office northwest of Paris, an official at the city prosecutor's office told Reuters.
The man equipped with a military weapon had taken an unconfirmed number of hostages at the post office in the town of Colombes, not far outside the capital, French media reported earlier.
"I cannot confirm or deny whether it is linked to terrorism," the official said declining to give further details.
BFM TV, citing an unidentified source, said the hostage taking was not related to last week's attacks in Paris. (Reuters)

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://news.yahoo.com/islamic-state-group-reaches-afghanistan-pakistan-183209282.html


should get interesting. be nice if they'd wipe eachother out

[Winehole23]

So much for the Taliban/Al Qaeda/ISIS nexis.

[Winehole23]

It's a complicated neighborhood. So much for it being one big nasty thing.

[boutons_deux]

ISIL, the Repug/BigOil gift that keeps on giving

[Winehole23]

Overwhelmingly, those who have committed terrorist attacks in the United States and Europe aren’t Muslims. Let’s give that a moment to sink in.

Now, it’s not your fault if you aren’t aware of that fact. You can blame the media. (Yes, Sarah Palin and I actually agree on one thing: The mainstream media sucks.)


So here are some statistics for those interested. Let’s start with Europe. Want to guess what percent of the terrorist attacks there were committed by Muslims over the past five years? Wrong. That is, unless you said less than 2 percent (http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/01/08/3609796/islamist-terrorism-europe/).


As Europol, the European Union’s law-enforcement agency, noted in its report released last year, the vast majority of terror attacks in Europe were perpetrated by separatist groups (https://www.europol.europa.eu/content/te-sat-2014-european-union-terrorism-situation-and-trend-report-2014). For example, in 2013, there were 152 terror attacks in Europe. Only two of them were “religiously motivated,” while 84 were predicated upon ethno-nationalist or separatist beliefs.

We are talking about groups like France’s FLNC, which advocates an independent nation for the island of Corsica. In December 2013, FLNC terrorists carried out simultaneous rocket attacks against police stations in two French cities. And in Greece in late 2013, the left-wing Militant Popular Revolutionary Forces shot and killed two members of the right-wing political party Golden Dawn. While over in Italy, the anarchist group FAI engaged in numerous terror attacks including sending a bomb to a journalist.http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html

[Winehole23]

In fact in 2013, it was actually more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing. How many people did toddlers kill in 2013? Five, all by accidentally shooting a gun (http://blogs.forward.com/jj-goldberg/176043/more-killed-by-toddlers-than-terrorists-in-us/).

[Winehole23]

we don’t see many stories about how to reduce the 30 Americans killed each day by gun violence or the three women per day killed by domestic violence. But the media will have on expert after expert discussing how can we stop these scary brown Muslims from killing any more Americans despite the fact you actually have a better chance of being killed by a refrigerator falling on you (http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/americans-are-as-likely-to-be-killed-by-their-own-furniture-as-by-terrorism/258156/).

[boutons_deux]

Gun instructors and police and law enforcement shoot more of themselves and their partners than terrorists kill Americans :lol

That's why we have the 2nd Amendment, freedom! to shoot yourself.

Water the Tree of Libertee with your own fucking blood! :lol

Better shoot yourself before the govt shoots you or takes all yours guns, right? :lol

[lefty]

Islam as a whole is quite in the dark ages.

If one looks globally at the entirety of people that profess to be muslim, you will find the vast majority live in poor, uneducated countries. There is a rather large percentage, if not a plurality of muslims that are outright illiterate, if memory serves.

This is not conducive to spontaneous change, IMO.

Polls of muslims globally consistently show them to be outright believers in conspiracy theories and all sorts of rubbish ideas. You yourself alluded to it when you rightly pointed out how the rest of the world tends to view the US, i.e. through the lense of Gitmo and Abu Gharaib.
http://reactiongif.org/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/10/OMG-Facepalm-GIF.gif

[boutons_deux]

Islam as a whole is quite in the dark ages.

If one looks globally at the entirety of people that profess to be muslim, you will find the vast majority live in poor, uneducated countries. There is a rather large percentage, if not a plurality of muslims that are outright illiterate, if memory serves.

This is not conducive to spontaneous change, IMO.

Polls of muslims globally consistently show them to be outright believers in conspiracy theories and all sorts of rubbish ideas. You yourself alluded to it when you rightly pointed out how the rest of the world tends to view the US, i.e. through the lense of Gitmo and Abu Gharaib.

There was a guy on NPR the other day sayings that in the Koran the only place, IIRC, it talks about people disparaging Muslim religion, Mohammed's advice was to walk away, NOT kill them.

The shit we see today is in the "sayings" of Mohammed which were written down 2 centuries after his death, 2 centuries of oral tradition of "he said", with the undoubted twisted, errors, additions, bias of the speakers.

Parallels with the Bible, where Jesus wasn't considered to be a god, to be divine in His lifetime, but only so several decades after His death, in a marketing, selling effort to boost Christianity's appeal vs all the other competing world views.

[romain.star]

Personally, I'd rather get killed shooting back than being unarmed and just shitting my pants waiting for him to pull the trigger.

So you feel safer with a gun to protect yourself but if you look at statistics, this does not make a lot of sense. Here is the Homicide by firearm rate (per 100.000):
in the US, it is 2,97
in France, it is 0,06

Source: UNODC anual survey


I get that you come from Texas but those are facts which are hardly deniable. More guns brings more blood.

[boutons_deux]

More guns brings more blood.

Behind the 2nd amendment, home defense LIES and PROPAGANDA of the BigGun industry/marketing proxies of the NRA/GOA, more guns primarily brings more profits.

The side effect of 10Ks more injuries and deaths per year? Well BigGun/NRA/GOA don't give a fuck. Guns are for killing.

A gun fellator owns an average 9+ guns.

[romain.star]

Behind the 2nd amendment, home defense LIES and PROPAGANDA of the BigGun industry/marketing proxies of the NRA/GOA, more guns primarily brings more profits.

The side effect of 10Ks more injuries and deaths per year? Well BigGun/NRA/GOA don't give a fuck. Guns are for killing.

A gun fellator owns an average 9+ guns.

You are right about it Sir but most of the US citizens do not get any kind of profit out of it (in 2013, the Firearms and Ammunition Industry represented grossly 245K employees)

Still, there are millions of Americans who refuse to see that more guns brings more blood. Why? I'm not sure but I guess it's a mix of historical legacy, lack of education and NRA propaganda

[Infinite_limit]

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/world/united-states/story/europe-needs-better-integrate-muslim-communities-obama-20150117


WASHINGTON (AFP) - US President Barack Obama on Friday urged European governments to try to better assimilate their Muslim minority populations as they respond to extremist attacks like last week’s shootings in Paris.
At a White House news conference with British Prime Minister David Cameron, his first foreign guest since last week’s Charlie Hebdo massacre, Obama said the allies would stand by France.
But he also warned that the answer to the recent violence must not simply be a security crackdown.
“I know David joins me when I say that we will continue to do everything in our power to help France seek the justice that is needed, and that all our countries are working together seamlessly to prevent attacks and to defeat these terrorist networks,” Obama said.
Obama said the Paris attacks “underscored how terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda and ISIL (ISIS) are actively trying to inspire and support people within our own countries to engage in terrorism.”
The US leader said the 2013 Boston marathon bombing showed that the United States was not entirely safe from Islamic militant cells, but suggested that it had had more success than others in integrating minorities.
“Our biggest advantage, major, is that our Muslim populations feel themselves to be Americans and there is this incredible process of immigration and assimilation that is part of our tradition,” he said.
“There are parts of Europe in which that’s not the case... it’s important for Europe not to simply respond with a hammer and law enforcement and military approaches to these problems.”
And he added: “There also has to be a recognition that the stronger the ties of a North African or a Frenchman of North African descent to French liberties, that’s going to be important over time.”
He said the United States would hold a summit in February on countering violent extremism and the threat of radicalised Islamist fighters returning to their home countries from the war in Syria.
“David and the United Kingdom continue to be strong partners in this work, including sharing intelligence and strengthening border security,” he said, dubbing Britain an “indispensable ally.”
THREATS TO STABILITY
Cameron said the two had agreed to set up “a joint group to identify what more we can do to counter the rise of domestic violent extremism and to learn from one another.”
He described the battle facing Western governments as a “long, patient and hard struggle” and dubbed the enemy a “poisonous fanatical death cult... perverting the religion of Islam.”
The United States and Britain already cooperate closely in global electronic surveillance, and Cameron said the two leaders had agreed to deepen their cooperation on cyber-security.
In a separate statement, the White House said the US National Security Agency and FBI would form a joint cyber-security cell with British domestic intelligence MI5 and eavesdropping agency GCHQ.
This will speed intelligence sharing and strengthen the allies’ defences against cyber-attacks from foreign governments and criminals, the leaders said.
The partners will begin their reinforced cooperation with a year-long exercise to test and strengthen the defences of the financial sector.
In recent weeks, Washington has been embarrassed by the seizure of a military Twitter account by Islamic militant sympathisers and angered by North Korea’s alleged hacking of Hollywood studio Sony Pictures.
But trans-Atlantic partnership has also had successes.
A young hacker – suspected of taking part in attacks that shut down online gaming platforms over Christmas – was arrested Friday in a joint operation with the FBI and British police.
Obama, 53, is beginning his last two years in office, while Cameron, 48, is preparing for general elections in May that are expected to be very close and could mark the end of his coalition government.
- See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/world/united-states/story/europe-needs-better-integrate-muslim-communities-obama-20150117#sthash.kvCQA2YZ.dpuf
obama said

[boutons_deux]

Still, there are millions of Americans who refuse to see that more guns brings more blood. Why?

Americans are pretty stupid, and believe any of shit if they hear it enough times.

A poll last weeks showed 80% of them wanted all food containing DNA to be labeled so. :lol

[boutons_deux]

How the ‘ban’ on images of Muhammad came to be


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/0109islamart03-800x4301-800x430.jpg


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/how-the-ban-on-images-of-muhammad-came-to-be/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

Sounds like Muslim "man" made up a bunch shit, not Mohammed, just like the Catholic "man", and like today's Protestant "prophets" whom God "reveals to".

[pgardn]

The imam condemns the Paris attacks. "Our religion does not condone violence. By committing this act, they threatened security in this country -- including our security," he says. Of course the conditions are difficult in Croix-Rouge, says Khalifa. "But I know many young men who simply don't want to work. I was an engineer in Syria, but here I work at the market in the morning and in my shop in the afternoon."
Young men should make more of an effort, he says. "Instead, they hang around, and they don't even come to Friday prayers. They are lost. And that makes them easy to manipulate.

From Der Spiegel


One recipe for increasing the probability of the rank and file terrorist:

Poverty + young males. Males from 13-25 who have had no opportunities to become relevant in their own eyes are the fodder for the more advanced radicalized intellectual zealots. Paris is a breeding ground. The US has been a much more receptive place in integrating people of faith. We don't have slums based on religion. I find this interesting. If you have a synagogue, Baptist Church, Maronite Christian Church, mosque, all in close proximity, suggest a get together BBQ and talk about the public schools they share. Then start a good round of math competition for the kiddos.

Would be nice if it actually occurs.

[boutons_deux]

"The US has been a much more receptive place in integrating people of faith."

Muslims, esp young males, aren't integrated into French society because of French racism.

"We don't have slums based on religion"

Neither does France. Just like USA, France has slums based poverty arising from racism.

[pgardn]

"The US has been a much more receptive place in integrating people of faith."

Muslims, esp young males, aren't integrated into French society because of French racism.

"We don't have slums based on religion"

Neither does France. Just like USA, France has slums based poverty arising from racism.



Why are the slums around Paris predominately Muslim from a fairly wide variety of places?
Racism is race based, not belief based. The largest Muslim population is in Indonesia, they have a completely different background than Muslims in the Mideast. The largest catholic population resides in the Phillipines. Filipinos are not Italian.
I think you see the point...But then again you are the Great Boots, you miss often.
"just a bit outside"

[boutons_deux]

"Why are the slums around Paris predominately Muslim from a fairly wide variety of places?"

probably 90%+ of the people in the Paris surbuban slums from the Magreb, or their parents are: Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco. NOT a wide variety

"Racism is race based, not belief based."

duh

only about 2M of the 6M Muslims in France are devout, or practice their religion.

"I think you see the point...But then again you are the Great Boots, you miss often."

what is your point, o pointless one?Indonesia is 88% Muslim, NOT the discriminated mintorty, with I think is the Chinese.

The Maghrebins in France, whether they are practicing Muslims, or not, are the minority. And like nearly all "foreign" minorities, they suffer from discrimination by the majority, just like in US.

[RandomGuy]

http://reactiongif.org/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/10/OMG-Facepalm-GIF.gif

(shrugs)

It isn't like a secret that educational attainment in the developing world, where the majority of muslims live is poor. But hell, let's fact check my memory.

Take the top five largest muslim populations, comprising 50% of the estimtated 1.6bn:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, and Egypt

CIA fact book lists current literacy rates:

Indonesia literacy 92%
Pakistan 54%
India 62%
Bangladesh 57%
Egypt 73%
Nigeria 61%
Iran 85%

So not a plurality.

The largest five populations have a cumulative 68% average literacy rate, probably making it a pretty fair approximation for the overall average.

3 out of every 10, can't read.

If one drills down a bit deeper, educational attainment of those that actually are literate, is almost assuredly far, far behind that of the west.

Given that religiosity and education are inversely correlated, one can see the vast depth of redneck idiot equivalents for the ISIS type ideologies to draw on and have fester.

You get all sorts of fucktarded conspiracy theories
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Conspiracy_Theories


1 Accidents and Natural Disasters
1.1 December 2004 Tsunami caused by Indians, Israelis and Americans
1.2 Sinai shark attacks could be Israeli plot
2 Diseases and Disorders
2.1 Americans and Christians responsible for the creation and spread of AIDS
2.2 Americans lacing polio vaccines with anti-fertility agent to sterilizes Muslim children
2.3 Israeli melons exported to Arab country infected with AIDS
2.4 Israelis are dropping libido-boosting ‘sex gum’ in Gaza
2.5 Mossad plot to import Israeli uni-sex hair product which causes infertility to Egypt
2.6 Peace treaty with Israel causes endemic diseases; cancers, hepatitis, and kidney infections
3 Free Speech
3.1 Danish Muhammad cartoons "part of Zionist plot"
3.2 "Qur'an burnings" a part of a Zionist conspiracy
4 History
4.1 Entire nation of Switzerland a "Jewish plot"
4.2 San Jose (Saint Joseph), California, really named after 'Saint Hussein'
5 Islamic Terrorism
5.1 Indian or American agents responsible for Osama bin Laden "revenge" attacks
5.2 Non-Muslims responsible for the 7/7 Bombings
5.3 Jewish involvement in 9/11 attacks (including claim that 4000 Jews skipped work on that day)
5.4 Zionists responsible for the Alexandria Church Bombing
5.5 Boko Haram an American conspiracy to destroy Islam in Nigeria
5.6 Jews and other Zionists behind the Boston Bombings
6 Muslim Brotherhood
6.1 Jews secretly allied with the Muslim Brotherhood, using them to control Muslims
6.2 US allied with its "paid confederates", the Muslim Brotherhood, against Egypt
7 People
7.1 Barack Obama is a "Muslim"
7.2 Mu'ammar Gaddafi was secretly a Jew
8 Soft Drinks
8.1 Pork extracts in colas
8.2 Coca-Cola logo is anti-Islamic
8.3 Pepsi a Zionist acronym
9 Supernatural and Science Fictional
9.1 Mobile phone virus that kills the recipient
9.2 Sudanese men and their disappearing penises
9.3 The West stealing water from clouds, causing droughts in the Middle East
10 Miscellaneous
10.1 Iranian TV report exposes "Zionist" companies
10.2 Tom and Jerry a "Zionist cartoon conspiracy"
10.3 Selling alcohol in Jammu and Kashmir, part of a "well planned conspiracy"
10.4 Jews training wild boars and pigs to make scary sounds and uproot Arabs' trees
10.5 US and UK Zionists using money from Jews to spread homosexuality in order to control the world

Which would be sad, but stupidity can be lethal:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/polio-cases-spike-in-pakistan-over-vaccination-conspiracy-theories/

Polio cases spike in Pakistan over vaccination conspiracy theories

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"Polio cases spike in Pakistan over vaccination conspiracy theories"

no conspiracy: CIA collected DNA samples by sending people around OBL's neighborhood and into his compound for fake vaccines.

So blame those polio victims on the CIA going after OBL for destroying WTC for USA occupying Saudi Arabia and supporting Israel. Of course Pakistan was "guilty (in the USA)" of welcoming OBL.

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"Polio cases spike in Pakistan over vaccination conspiracy theories"

no conspiracy: CIA collected DNA samples by sending people around OBL's neighborhood and into his compound for fake vaccines.

So blame those polio victims on the CIA going after OBL for destroying WTC for USA occupying Saudi Arabia and supporting Israel. Of course Pakistan was "guilty (in the USA)" of welcoming OBL.



How the CIA’s Fake Vaccination Campaign Endangers Us All
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-cia-fake-vaccination-campaign-endangers-us-all/

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The cycle of anti-Muslim discrimination in France is likely to worsen

Muslims in France and the French host population are locked in a discriminatory equilibrium. This is the conclusion, summarized in our soon-to-be publishedbook, (https://politicalscience.stanford.edu/events/book-conference-why-muslim-integration-fails-inquiry-christian-heritage-societies) of a six-year research program that investigates whether and why Muslims are discriminated against in France.

In 2009, we organized behavioral games in Paris in which “rooted” French (French with no recent immigrant background) interacted with Muslim and Christian immigrants. With the exception of their religion, these Muslim and Christian immigrants were similar. They hail from the same two ethnic groups and the same socio-economic class in Senegal and migrated to France at the same time (the 1970s) and for the same economic reasons.

Our behavioral games allowed us to compare the level of trust and altruism that rooted French exhibit toward Muslim immigrants and their Christian counterparts by having them play simultaneously a trust game (http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Bestiary_of_Behavioral_Economics/Trust_Game) and a dictator game (http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Bestiary_of_Behavioral_Economics/Dictator_Game).

The research shows basic bias against Muslims

Our results (https://sites.google.com/site/mavalfortwebpage/home/research/ALV_EquilibriumJPopE.pdf?attredirects=0&d=1) show that, while the rooted French do not distrust Muslims any more than Christians, they are less altruistic toward Muslims.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/the-cycle-of-anti-muslim-discrimination-in-france-is-likely-to-worsen/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[pgardn]

"Why are the slums around Paris predominately Muslim from a fairly wide variety of places?"

probably 90%+ of the people in the Paris surbuban slums from the Magreb, or their parents are: Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco. NOT a wide variety

"Racism is race based, not belief based."

duh

only about 2M of the 6M Muslims in France are devout, or practice their religion.

"I think you see the point...But then again you are the Great Boots, you miss often."

what is your point, o pointless one?Indonesia is 88% Muslim, NOT the discriminated mintorty, with I think is the Chinese.

The Maghrebins in France, whether they are practicing Muslims, or not, are the minority. And like nearly all "foreign" minorities, they suffer from discrimination by the majority, just like in US.

The point is that Indonesians are not of the same racial background. It would be interesting to see how they would be treated in a city like Paris. And wrong on the Muslims in Paris. Morocco is a very different place even if from the same North African region.

And what? Not all minorities are discriminated against, even in the US. Your blanket statements are absurd.

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The point is that Indonesians are not of the same racial background. It would be interesting to see how they would be treated in a city like Paris. And wrong on the Muslims in Paris. Morocco is a very different place even if from the same North African region.

And what? Not all minorities are discriminated against, even in the US. Your blanket statements are absurd.

:lol it's ALWAYS the native majority vs the foreigner minority that DOMINATES.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_Chinese_Indonesians

[pgardn]

:lol it's ALWAYS the native majority vs the foreigner minority that DOMINATES.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_Chinese_Indonesians

Oh you mean like Great Britian in India?

Fool...

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Oh you mean like Great Britian in India?

Fool...

:lol the invader with military superiority over the indigenous is NOT what we are talking about, and the British minority finally got kicked out by the majority

Pakis and Indians in UK are discriminated against minorities.

[pgardn]

:lol the invader with military superiority over the indigenous is NOT what we are talking about, and the British minority finally got kicked out by the majority

Pakis and Indians in UK are discriminated against minorities.

Stop making blanket statements for Christ sakes and then adding disclaimers how bout it...
Are Indians discriminated harshly against in the US? The answer is no. Why not?

[pgardn]

:lol it's ALWAYS the native majority vs the foreigner minority that DOMINATES.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_Chinese_Indonesians

And boots, emoticons are a sign of weakness in argument in your case. Stop using them.
Be an adult and type.

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:lol the invader with military superiority over the indigenous is NOT what we are talking about, and the British minority finally got kicked out by the majority

Pakis and Indians in UK are discriminated against minorities.
Because they occupy other peoples land

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Stop making blanket statements for Christ sakes and then adding disclaimers how bout it...
Are Indians discriminated harshly against in the US? The answer is no. Why not?

very simple, they are a tiny percentage of the population compared with much much larger segment of blacks and browns. the American racists (white males who think they are Christian) don't feel threatened by South Asians in USA.

Sweden used to sniff at USA's pervasive, blatnant racism until Sweden started having an increasing percentage of foreigners (like refugess for AMERICA's wars), then Swedish racism started getting loud.