Je suis Charlie

[romain.star]

Wherever you are, you will pay for this motherfuckers

[lefty]

It's Charlie, not Charly BTW

And why are you posting this here?

And RIP Cabu and Co

[hater]

Fucked up shit nigga. Rip to those lost

This is like the jackal kinda shit. Fucking crazy. Just remember these guys were financed by the guys that hug Hollandaise and Obama in their meetings in the middle east. Follow the money trail...

[boutons_deux]

Charlie Hebdo, comme Les Guignols de l'info (http://www.canalplus.fr/c-divertissement/pid1784-c-les-guignols.html), major French institutions, carrying on the 1789 anti-establishment irreverence, attacks, Never Give Up

No doubt, Tony and Bobo are upset.

[lefty]

Parke comes back and that shit happens


Not a coincidence tbh

[romain.star]

Parke comes back and that shit happens


Not a coincidence tbh

Can you just shut the fuck up? Like once in our life?

[lefty]

Can you just shut the fuck up? Like once in our life?
:lol

Well you posted this in the Spurs forum, you asked for it

Political forum or the Club next time, Rominou

[romain.star]

:lol

Well you posted this in the Spurs forum, you asked for it

Political forum or the Club next time, Rominou

That was posted here on purpose

[hater]

Lefty go back to scrubbing toilets and dreaming about your 1000 virgins waiting for you in the heavens.

Ppl got serious shit to discuss here...

[lefty]

That was posted here on purpose

But why?

[ElNono]

RIP

[benefactor]

I have no idea what's going on here.

[hater]

I have no idea what's going on here.

Nobody is surprised American. :lol

Turn your channel to a news network....

[lefty]

Ok I take this srsly


Good read for the Francophones of the forum, tbh, not trolling ,etc

http://www.rfi.fr/afrique/20150107-caricaturiste-algerien-dilem-barbarie-extreme-charlie-hebdo-terrorisme-attaque-france-paris-media/?aef_campaign_date=2015-01-07&aef_campaign_ref=partage_user&ns_campaign=reseaux_sociaux&ns_linkname=editorial&ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter

[benefactor]

Nobody is surprised American. :lol

Turn your channel to a news network....
I don't watch news channels tbh.

[Cherry]

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[Budkin]

Jesus. Is The Onion next?

[boutons_deux]

Jesus. Is The Onion next?

I'm sure the Onion and all journalists are taking the Charlie Hebdo massacre serioiusly, esp next time they hit the keyboard to trash radical Muslims, or any extremist violent group.

But who REALLY needs to reconsider their Global War On Everybody is the US govt, NSA/CIA, the MIC, BigCorp predator Imperialists.

The War on Terror for fun, oil, and profit is as bigger failure than the War on Drugs (for fun and profit)

[SupremeGuy]

Just muslims being muslims, tbh.

[-21-]

This is messed up. RIP

[boutons_deux]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/heartbreaking-cartoons-from-artists-in-response-to-the-ch?bfwa#.cj29m1VeL

[Juggity]

I have no idea what's going on here.

Islamic terrorist attack on a satirical magazine's offices in Paris

[boutons_deux]

Just muslims being muslims, tbh.

You Lie

[boutons_deux]

Imagine white anti-govt "Water The Tree ..." extremists shooting up Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert and their staffs for trashing white anti-govt extremists, or for calling for serious, enforced FEDERAL GUN REGULATION

[romain.star]

Just muslims being muslims, tbh.

That's what stupid people will say in the up-coming days

[SupremeGuy]

That's what stupid people will say in the up-coming daysIt's true, tbh. But please, don't let the truth get in the way of your political correctness. Carry on.

[boutons_deux]

It's true

You Lie

[SupremeGuy]

Imagine white anti-govt "Water The Tree ..." extremists shooting up Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert and their staffs for trashing white anti-govt extremists, or for calling for serious, enforced FEDERAL GUN REGULATIONAt which point you would condemn all conservatives/republicans/white people. Funny how you look in the other direction when it's muslims, you pussy.

[SupremeGuy]

You LieNo.

[SupremeGuy]

It's a tight rope you must walk when you support barbaric religions/cultures, huh boutons? On one hand, they're not white and they're clearly uneducated so they must need your support; on the other hand, they disagree and would murder you for all your liberal support. Interesting.

[boutons_deux]

No.

ok, try this: The Phelps Baptist church assholes = ALL CHRISTIANS

[CosmicCowboy]

ISIS assholes = all Muslims

[Slomo]

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[baseline bum]

lefty man, why'd you do that just for publishing pictures of Muhammed? Why couldn't you do that to the Laker fans with the gif of Duncan's missed layup instead? Not cool faggot.

[SupremeGuy]

ok, try this: The Phelps Baptist church assholes = ALL CHRISTIANSGo to the middle east and tell them you support gay rights, womens rights, and freedom of religion. We'll all chip in and buy you a ticket. :toast

[boutons_deux]

It's a tight rope you must walk when you support barbaric religions/cultures, huh boutons? On one hand, they're not white and they're clearly uneducated so they must need your support; on the other hand, they disagree and would murder you for all your liberal support. Interesting.

You Lie, Muslim is NOT a barbaric religion or culture

try this: Christian murderers of abortionists represent all Christians

or this: Christians treat women and girls as second class people, per the Bible.

[Macca76]

Parke comes back and that shit happens


Not a coincidence tbh

You're such a dick, it's becoming beyond understanding

[romain.star]

It's a tight rope you must walk when you support barbaric religions/cultures, huh boutons? On one hand, they're not white and they're clearly uneducated so they must need your support; on the other hand, they disagree and would murder you for all your liberal support. Interesting.

You should travel my friend, see the world, meet people.

And for your info; those terrorists are not muslims in that they are probably too dumb to understand 2 ligns of the Coran

[SupremeGuy]

You Lie, Muslim is NOT a barbaric religion or culture

try this: Christian murderers of abortionists represent all Christians

or this: Christians treat women and girls as second class people, per the Bible.So I implore you, go to the middle east and tell them how you support gay rights, womens' rights, free speech, and freedom of religion. It's a beautiful culture, I hear. :lol

[EVAY]

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I like the one about god being able to take a fucking joke best.

It is such a statement of being morally bereft when one answers satire with murder.

Tbh, though, I don't put it past some of the religious right extremists in this or any other country.

My heart goes out to all those impacted by this.

[lefty]

Ok I take this srsly


Good read for the Francophones of the forum, tbh, not trolling ,etc

http://www.rfi.fr/afrique/20150107-caricaturiste-algerien-dilem-barbarie-extreme-charlie-hebdo-terrorisme-attaque-france-paris-media/?aef_campaign_date=2015-01-07&aef_campaign_ref=partage_user&ns_campaign=reseaux_sociaux&ns_linkname=editorial&ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter
tbh romain.star this is a good read

[Slomo]

I like the one about god being able to take a fucking joke best.

It is such a statement of being morally bereft when one answers satire with murder.

Tbh, though, I don't put it past some of the religious right extremists in this or any other country.

My heart goes out to all those impacted by this.

Yep!

[Brazil]

That's really fucked up... Charlie is big part of French culture, they did not want just to kill journalists, they wanted to kill freedom of speech

sad day

[Brazil]

http://s1.lemde.fr/image/2015/01/07/972x323/4551128_1_834d_rassemblement-a-paris-mercredi-7-janvier_13c87f50642fcd8417bc94176ca8f69e.jpg

[Brazil]

I like this one from one of the guys who has been killed...

http://img.agoravox.fr/local/cache-vignettes/L289xH402/CharlieHebdonunef-b057f.jpg

it says:

Mahomet overwhelmed by the integrists

It's hard to be loved by dumbasses

[Mal]

Lol France. You have what you wanted. Muslims running with AKs in your capitol.

[Brazil]

Lol France. You have what you wanted. Muslims running with AKs in your capitol.

lol Poland

did not know you were a big piece of racist shit tbh... must a polish stuff you, infinite...nice

[lefty]

That's really fucked up... Charlie is big part of French culture, they did not want just to kill journalists, they wanted to kill freedom of speech

sad day
Very sad day indeed

But they shouldnt give lessons when it comes to freedom of speech

Dieudonné says a couple of things on Jews and everybody in France is up in arms

Sure, nobody went out and killed him, but that's not my point

It's the double standards

[Brazil]

Very sad day indeed

But they shouldnt give lessons when it comes to freedom of speech

Dieudonné says a couple of things on Jews and everybody in France is up in arms

Sure, nobody went out and killed him, but that's not my point

It's the double standards

not sure I'm following you on dat one...

Dieudo spoke nobody killed him, the fact that people is up in arms is harmless again nobody has been killed.

[lefty]

not sure I'm following you on dat one...

Dieudo spoke nobody killed him, the fact that people is up in arms is harmless again nobody has been killed.
That's what I said

That wasnt my point; it wasnt about the retaliation - of course nobody killed him

After what happened today, eveybody is talking about freedom of speech, but they have a problem with a comedian opening his mouth about the Jewish community

[lefty]

http://s1.lemde.fr/image/2015/01/07/972x323/4551128_1_834d_rassemblement-a-paris-mercredi-7-janvier_13c87f50642fcd8417bc94176ca8f69e.jpg
:lol Not afraid my ass

Thats why they voted Sarko :lol

[Big Empty]

6 middle aged americans die a day from alcohol poisoning. Im more afraid of my miller lite

[romain.star]

French readers --> Interesting POV on rue89: "Notre humanité est niée et massacrée" from Mr Kahn

[Brazil]

That's what I said

That wasnt my point; it wasnt about the retaliation - of course nobody killed him

After what happened today, eveybody is talking about freedom of speech, but they have a problem with a comedian opening his mouth about the Jewish community

Nothing to do with Charlie

People has issues with antesimitism not comments on Jewish community. Dieudo is antisemist and says antesimitist stuff which is against french law.

btw Charlie hebdo is pro Palestinian they gave a lot of shit about Jewish community. Again your parallel does not make sense.

[Brazil]

:lol Not afraid my ass

Thats why they voted Sarko :lol

And that's why they voted for Holland ? :rolleyes

[m>s]

Wherever you are, you will pay for this motherfuckers
you're the fucking pussy who let them in, now you want to rage? the best thing you can do son is vote for marine le pen and get the fuck out of her way..let her do the job you french pussies can't get done.

[m>s]

lol Poland

did not know you were a big piece of racist shit tbh... must a polish stuff you, infinite...nice
lol racist. i guess no one told you people stopped caring about being called that like 10 years ago.

[m>s]

at least poland is 99.8% white and doesn't have sand n!ggers running around shooting people and blowing shit up, you cucks

[lefty]

And that's why they voted for Holland ? :rolleyes
Well Frenchies are bipolar

Always complaining :lol

[romain.star]

you're the fucking pussy who let them in, now you want to rage? the best thing you can do son is vote for marine le pen and get the fuck out of her way..let her do the job you french pussies can't get done.

You are, son, one hell of an asshole. Glad you can't vote in France

[lefty]

Nothing to do with Charlie

People has issues with antesimitism not comments on Jewish community. Dieudo is antisemist and says antesimitist stuff which is against french law.

btw Charlie hebdo is pro Palestinian they gave a lot of shit about Jewish community. Again your parallel does not make sense.
Where did I say it was Charlie Hebdo that was upset against Dieudonne's comments ?

[romain.star]

at least poland is 99.8% white and doesn't have sand n!ggers running around shooting people and blowing shit up, you cucks

Heil Hitler

[m>s]

You are, son, one hell of an asshole. Glad you can't vote in France
apparently you really are because you like mudslimes running around the capital with ak's you pathetic fuck

[m>s]

Heil Hitler
hitler was right

[m>s]

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8097/8530750857_9afb1713bb_z.jpg

[romain.star]

hitler was right

I won't discuss politics with you. Es tut mir leid

[m>s]

Run coward waive that white frenchie flag!!! Muslims conquered Paris and didn't dven have to fire a shot or fly a plane or drive a tank!

[Brazil]

Run coward waive that white frenchie flag!!! Muslims conquered Paris and didn't dven have to fire a shot or fly a plane or drive a tank!

Fucker you have tons of threads to spit out your racism... This one is about 12 people getting killed...

and for the record not only you share 99% of your DNa with monkeys but in your case you also share 99% of their IQ

[Mal]

lol Poland

did not know you were a big piece of racist shit tbh... must a polish stuff you, infinite...nice

You cant even face it that multiculti and social aid polictic failed and now France is gonna pay in blood for that obvious mistake.

You can call me a racist etc but I am right in that matter.

And Poland dont have lots of imigrants cause we are too poor to give moneys and house to people that dont work

[Brazil]

at least poland is 99.8% white and doesn't have sand n!ggers running around shooting people and blowing shit up, you cucks

:lol

Poland is a third world country that does not worth more than Greece. They have been colonized by German to produce their shoes... Nice to see whites can be slaves too and do the dirty work of their German master

[Brazil]

You cant even face it that multiculti and social aid polictic failed and now France is gonna pay in blood for that obvious mistake.

You can call me a racist etc but I am right in that matter.

And Poland dont have lots of imigrants cause we are too poor to give moneys and house to people that dont work

You obviously know shit about France and its culture.

I call you what you are a piece of shit racist not capable of a min decency in a thread made to honor memory of journalists killed to freely speech.

poland pib is increasing immigrants will come sooner than later... We will see how Poland will handle dat shit if mother Russia does not decide before to invade your asses

[Brazil]

Where did I say it was Charlie Hebdo that was upset against Dieudonne's comments ?

U are implying freedom of speech does not exist when topic is Jewish community which is BS as constantly demonstrated by Charlie For instance

[Mal]

You obviously know shit about France and its culture.


Since when sharia laws are part of french culture ?


I call you what you are a piece of shit racist not capable of a min decency in a thread made to honor memory of journalists killed to freely speech.


It`s not about dead people. Probably more people died in car accident that day.
It`s not about free speech, because those journalist had spoken freely. It`s about people, brainwashed by sick religion, who killed people for fucking picture, a picture, which wasnt even insulting. As I recall that newspaper also printed out picture of other religions and noone was killed up until some goatfuckers decided that this wrong in their delusional minds. The sooner you realize that radical islam is a serious problem the better.



poland pib is increasing immigrants will come sooner than later... We will see how Poland will handle dat shit if mother Russia does not decide before to invade your asses

It`s obvious we`ll have to deal with it alone, because our alies will betray us again. History tends to repeat itself.


You must be black, because you are calling me racist out of nowhere.

[m>s]

Fucker you have tons of threads to spit out your racism... This one is about 12 people getting killed...

and for the record not only you share 99% of your DNa with monkeys but in your case you also share 99% of their IQ
Speak English French faggot

[m>s]

His country Is at war and this fag is too busy in here sucking muslim cock to realize it.

[TDMVPDPOY]

the only thing i can say is....
ROFLMAO FRENCH FAGGOTS passive approach to terrorists to the point ur country has become a safe haven for arab wankers,
lol bending over for faggots who want sharia law,
lol doing nothing against terrorists

they dont call france or whatever france touches turns into poofta paradise....

so how are you wankers going to respond? continue to bend over and receive it in the ass?

[m>s]

^this is actually what it looks like to outsiders

[Brazil]

Speak English French faggot

Speak another language than English then talk shit to me racist faggot

[Trill Clinton]

my thoughts and prayers are with the people of france. my sister and bro in law were living not too far from the shooting just a few weeks ago but his job sent him back to the states for 2 months.

[Brazil]

Since when sharia laws are part of french culture ?



It`s not about dead people. Probably more people died in car accident that day.
It`s not about free speech, because those journalist had spoken freely. It`s about people, brainwashed by sick religion, who killed people for fucking picture, a picture, which wasnt even insulting. As I recall that newspaper also printed out picture of other religions and noone was killed up until some goatfuckers decided that this wrong in their delusional minds. The sooner you realize that radical islam is a serious problem the better.



It`s obvious we`ll have to deal with it alone, because our alies will betray us again. History tends to repeat itself.


You must be black, because you are calling me racist out of nowhere.

Racist out of nowhere ? :lmao read your post

you smell sick racism deal with it take m>s at least he is proud

[Trill Clinton]

people have done just as bad in the name of jesus! and judaism and those religions aren't made to represent murder and violence, word

[m>s]

Speak another language than English then talk shit to me racist faggot
Ich spreche Deutsch schwuler

[Brazil]

the only thing i can say is....
ROFLMAO FRENCH FAGGOTS passive approach to terrorists to the point ur country has become a safe haven for arab wankers,
lol bending over for faggots who want sharia law,
lol doing nothing against terrorists

they dont call france or whatever france touches turns into poofta paradise....

so how are you wankers going to respond? continue to bend over and receive it in the ass?

respond to you ? Please... I'd rather have a discussion with m>s than you

you make no sense whatsoever you never traveled outside your freaking island... Oh and btw u are talking shit when your country has been also plagued by radical Islamists terrorist act... Gtfo

[Brazil]

Ich spreche Deutsch schwuler

Of course :lmao

what else ?

[m>s]

people have done just as bad in the name of jesus! and judaism and those religions aren't made to represent murder and violence, word
Fucking american, this isn't some "muh melting pot muh tolerance" shithole like america, this is France the heimat of French people


rem ember what happened last time whites tried to colonize a Black Country? its normal for them to be pissed right now

[Brazil]

my thoughts and prayers are with the people of france. my sister and bro in law were living not too far from the shooting just a few weeks ago but his job sent him back to the states for 2 months.

Thanks tbh

[m>s]

ein großer Mann hat einmal gesagt "Der kostbarste Besitz auf dieser Welt, aber ist das eigene Volk"

stand strong france, defeat the cultural marxists. we are with you.

[jeebus]

everyone pray for lefty. they caught one of his accomplices, but he's still on the run. bless his soul for still posting on spurmtalk and contributing.

[TDMVPDPOY]

everyone pray for lefty. they caught one of his accomplices, but he's still on the run. bless his soul for still posting on spurmtalk and contributing.

he has an alibi...he was on ST posting...

[Mal]

Racist out of nowhere ? :lmao read your post

you smell sick racism deal with it take m>s at least he is proud


Lol France. You have what you wanted. Muslims running with AKs in your capitol.

How`s that racist ? It`s about religion, not race.

[Mal]

people have done just as bad in the name of jesus! and judaism and those religions aren't made to represent murder and violence, word

Yeah, like 800 years ago

[Brazil]

How`s that racist ? It`s about religion, not race.

oh ok subtle difference... you don't hate arabs you hate muslims... ok gotcha... now you clean

:rolleyes

[Mal]

oh ok subtle difference... you don't hate arabs you hate muslims... ok gotcha... now you clean

:rolleyes

And you still use mighty power of tolerance and progressive thinking towards them ? Lesson wasnt learned, how many people should die before France realize that those people are delusional and dangerous to society.

And yeah in todays world Muslims are nothing more than jihadits and terrorists. They bring nothing valueable to european culture and european way of life. Nothing will ever justify killing people for religion beliefs, especially when you are immigrant. And that`s what those people do.

[Maddog]

"Against pencils, charcoal pencils and [speech] bubbles - they took out Kalashnikovs. What a declaration of weakness! When one does not have arguments, he fires a shot. So did they kill Charlie? No. They missed. Charlie will live, thanks to its readers."



http://www.liberation.fr/societe/2015/01/07/charlie-vivra_1175771

[Brazil]

And you still use mighty power of tolerance and progressive thinking towards them ? Lesson wasnt learned, how many people should die before France realize that those people are delusional and dangerous to society.

fuck me... now being tolerant and having a progressive thinking is a bad thing... wow

What do you propose btw ? kill them all ?


And yeah in todays world Muslims are nothing more than jihadits and terrorists.

No... dumbest post ever


They bring nothing valueable to european culture and european way of life.

Damn... you must know shit about european culture and european way of life that has been greatly influenced by muslims since forever :lol


Nothing will ever justify killing people for religion beliefs, especially when you are immigrant. And that`s what those people do.

No that's not what these people do, that's what terrorists, extremists do... if all muslims were like that my friend we wouldn't be there talking on a message board...


at the end you must be 20 y/o making fucking generalization of a religion you don't understand

[Mal]

fuck me... now being tolerant and having a progressive thinking is a bad thing... wow

What do you propose btw ? kill them all ?


First of all, I`m glad that we are exchanging arguments rather than insulting.
There is slight diffrence between being tolerant and giving more and more privilages to certain miniories.
Send them back to ISIS or whatever country they came. If anybody dont want to live according to society that welcomed him, send him back. Adapt or GTFO.



Damn... you must know shit about european culture and european way of life that has been greatly influenced by muslims since forever :lol

There is slight diffrence between muslims like turkish or tatars and those who fights for ISIS. Muslims in Europe dont work, dont educate. They are really liable to be under really bad and dangerous influence.



No that's not what these people do, that's what terrorists, extremists do... if all muslims were like that my friend we wouldn't be there talking on a message board...


They become more and more radical. They are under bad influence, they dont want to adapt to european societies.



at the end you must be 20 y/o making fucking generalization of a religion you don't understand


I am a little bit older than 20 y/o. And yeah, I dont undestand how can you kill people for fucking picture of prophet. I really dont. And that`s exactly what happend.
I really couldnt care less what muslims do in their own countries. e.g in Iran or Iraq they can enforce any laws they can. Though I have no problem tolerating other minorities like homosexual people, vegetarian or I dont know, tall people, up until is tolerance not about giving them special privilages.

Meanwhile a grande was thrown to mosque in Metz. France is waking up ?

[boutons_deux]

"kill people for fucking picture of prophet."

Charlie was a conspicuous, famous target and long-time Muslim/terrorist mocker.

But apparently the two shooters were in Syria/Iraq with ISIS last year, where France is helping bomb ISIS.

So my guess is that this terrorism can't be isolated from the US + Europe invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan, and their support for Israel's genocide of Palestinians. aka, terrorism is simply pushback.

Thanks, Repugs/neocons/BigOil, for invading Iraq for oil, destabilizing the Middle East. Democracy and Freedom have broken out everywhere, like a magnificient "Arab Spring", with Iraq as shining example.

[DisAsTerBot]

Yeah, like 800 years ago

lol, no

[CosmicCowboy]

"kill people for fucking picture of prophet."

Charlie was a conspicuous, famous target and long-time Muslim/terrorist mocker.

But apparently the two shooters were in Syria/Iraq with ISIS last year, where France is helping bomb ISIS.

So my guess is that this terrorism can't be isolated from the US + Europe invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan, and their support for Israel's genocide of Palestinians. aka, terrorism is simply pushback.

Thanks, Repugs/neocons/BigOil, for invading Iraq for oil, destabilizing the Middle East. Democracy and Freedom have broken out everywhere, like a magnificient "Arab Spring", with Iraq as shining example.




Boutons, the Terrorist apologist. Sick fuck says the people had it coming to them.

[unleashbaynes]

ein großer Mann hat einmal gesagt "Der kostbarste Besitz auf dieser Welt, aber ist das eigene Volk"

stand strong france, defeat the cultural marxists. we are with you.


Go eat the barrel of a luger you fucking coward.

[Winehole23]

sickening. all the more so since it's a PROBABLE RECRUITMENT TACTIC:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B61aQRJCIAAC-Fh.jpg
(https://twitter.com/maklelan/status/553197565882007553/photo/1)

[Winehole23]

The problem for a terrorist group like al-Qaeda is that its recruitment pool is Muslims, but most Muslims are not interested in terrorism. Most Muslims are not even interested in politics, much less political Islam. France is a country of 66 million, of which about 5 million is of Muslim heritage. But in polling, only a third, less than 2 million, say that they are interested in religion. French Muslims may be the most secular Muslim-heritage population in the world (ex-Soviet ethnic Muslims often also have low rates of belief and observance). Many Muslim immigrants in the post-war period to France came as laborers and were not literate people, and their grandchildren are rather distant from Middle Eastern fundamentalism, pursuing urban cosmopolitan culture such as rap and rai. In Paris, where Muslims tend to be better educated and more religious, the vast majority reject violence and say they are loyal to France (http://www.euro-islam.info/country-profiles/city-profiles/paris/).


Al-Qaeda wants to mentally colonize French Muslims, but faces a wall of disinterest. But if it can get non-Muslim French to be beastly to ethnic Muslims on the grounds that they are Muslims, it can start creating a common political identity around grievance against discrimination.

http://www.juancole.com/2015/01/sharpening-contradictions-satirists.html

[Winehole23]

it worked in Iraq:


Al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia, then led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, deployed this sort of polarization strategy successfully in Iraq, constantly attacking Shiites and their holy symbols, and provoking the ethnic cleansing of a million Sunnis from Baghdad. The polarization proceeded, with the help of various incarnations of Daesh (Arabic for ISIL or ISIS, which descends from al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia). And in the end, the brutal and genocidal strategy worked, such that Daesh was able to encompass all of Sunni Arab Iraq, which had suffered so many Shiite reprisals that they sought the umbrella of the very group that had deliberately and systematically provoked the Shiites.same

[Winehole23]

We have a model for response to terrorist provocation and attempts at sharpening the contradictions. It is Norway after Anders Behring Breivik (http://www.juancole.com/2011/07/when-extremism-learns-to-blow-things-up.html) committed mass murder of Norwegian leftists (http://www.juancole.com/2011/07/white-terrorism-in-norway.html) for being soft on Islam. The Norwegian government launched no war on terror. They tried Breivik in court as a common criminal. They remained committed to their admirable modern Norwegian values.same

[Winehole23]

denounced by Muslims worldwide:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/07/muslims-respond-charlie-hebdo_n_6429710.html

[Winehole23]

denounced by Arab states:


Saudi Arabia called it a “cowardly terrorist attack that was rejected by the true Islamic religion”. The Arab League and Egypt’s al-Azhar university – the leading theological institution in the Sunni Muslim world – also denounced the incident in which masked gunmen shouted “Allahu Akbar” – “god is great ” in Arabic.


Iran, Jordan, Bahrain, Morocco, Algeria and Qatar all issued similar statements.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/07/charlie-hebdo-killings-arab-states-jihadi-extremist-sympathisers-isis

[boutons_deux]

Boutons, the Terrorist apologist. Sick fuck says the people had it coming to them.

You Lie

The Great Boutons doesn't apologize for terrorism, he tries to UNDERSTAND why the terrorists hit the West.

eg: USA drone results: for every bad guy killed (well "reported" killed), drones kill 20 non-combattants.

Plus American airstrikes have wiped out dozens in more than one Afghani wedding party. And there's plentyh of fucked babies from US military munitions pollution in Afghanistan. The dickless CC "apologizes" for US Empire invading Muslim countries for oil, fun (American Sniper), and PROFIT!

You can be sure these non-combattant-dead stats get around in the Muslim media

Would you be pissed if MX invaded TX and starting droning the shit out of San Antonio looking for a few narcos?

You war-loving Americans think the world will NEVER push back.

"Why Do They Hate Us?" the sheeple ask. :lol

Go fuck a cosmic cow

[Brazil]

First of all, I`m glad that we are exchanging arguments rather than insulting.
There is slight diffrence between being tolerant and giving more and more privilages to certain miniories.
Send them back to ISIS or whatever country they came. If anybody dont want to live according to society that welcomed him, send him back. Adapt or GTFO.

you once again speak out of your ass... since when they are given more and more privileges ? link ?

It's not like France of C. Pasqua did not try to send them back before for what result ? .... that's what I thought.



There is slight diffrence between muslims like turkish or tatars and those who fights for ISIS. Muslims in Europe dont work, dont educate. They are really liable to be under really bad and dangerous influence.

They become more and more radical. They are under bad influence, they dont want to adapt to european societies.

so now you recognize your comments on muslims as a whole was stupid... you are welcome


I am a little bit older than 20 y/o. And yeah, I dont undestand how can you kill people for fucking picture of prophet. I really dont. And that`s exactly what happend.
I really couldnt care less what muslims do in their own countries. e.g in Iran or Iraq they can enforce any laws they can. Though I have no problem tolerating other minorities like homosexual people, vegetarian or I dont know, tall people, up until is tolerance not about giving them special privilages.

Meanwhile a grande was thrown to mosque in Metz. France is waking up ?

there is no special privilege... France has liberty of cult, muslims don't have more privileges than Christian, orthodox or buddhists.

A group of nazis did a stupid thing... and that's the proof France is waking up ? :lol no that's the proof that there are stupid fucks in every community

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol french clowns down here...not long ago everyone was hashfaggot ridewithyou, now its je suis charlie....

how fast they turn the other ass cheek...

anyway speaking of french faggots in general....wtf u clowns going to stop being a passive country and kick them all out...

[Blizzardwizard]

Are people doing the thing where just because some crazed extremist nutjobs performed a terrorist attack they blame all muslims again?

I hate society

[Winehole23]

http://pontiactribune.com/multiple-us-airstrikes-syria-iraq/

[DarrinS]

No, all religions are NOT equally violent. Some have never been violent, some gave it up centuries ago. One religion conspicuously didn’t.

[FromWayDowntown]

Assailing all of Islam because some nut jobs use it as a crutch to terrorize is like assuming all white male teens pose dangers to schools because some white male teens have shot up schools.

Perpetuating the myth that "they're all the same" is laziness.

[Winehole23]

Atheists and political board trolls speak for Islam per se, characterizing it as violent and savage, then kick all believers into the same ditch.

How convincing. Not.

[Fabbs]

Assailing all of Islam because some nut jobs use it as a crutch to terrorize is like assuming all white male teens pose dangers to schools because some white male teens have shot up schools.

Perpetuating the myth that "they're all the same" is laziness.
I wish the media and all would get onboard with calling them UNislamic.

[DarrinS]

Assailing all of Islam because some nut jobs use it as a crutch to terrorize is like assuming all white male teens pose dangers to schools because some white male teens have shot up schools.

Perpetuating the myth that "they're all the same" is laziness.


If one hears a story about cartoonists or satirists being killed for "insulting" God, we all know who did the killing.


Does that mean EVERYONE from that religion would do the same? Of course not. And no one is saying that.

[romain.star]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bxhet6IIIAAs3qW.jpg

So simple, so obvious. People are stupid, that's crazy

[FromWayDowntown]

If one hears a story about cartoonists or satirists being killed for "insulting" God, we all know who did the killing.


Does that mean EVERYONE from that religion would do the same? Of course not. And no one is saying that.

Other than the guy you quoted who characterized the religion as violent, you mean?

[Trill Clinton]

Assailing all of Islam because some nut jobs use it as a crutch to terrorize is like assuming all white male teens pose dangers to schools because some white male teens have shot up schools.

Perpetuating the myth that "they're all the same" is laziness.


thank you!!!!

[ElNono]

Assailing all of Islam because some nut jobs use it as a crutch to terrorize is like assuming all white male teens pose dangers to schools because some white male teens have shot up schools.

Perpetuating the myth that "they're all the same" is laziness.

Far-left post!!!!

[Winehole23]

the OKC bombing was carried out by a Christian extremist. the claims that Christian extremism doesn't exist and that we can reasonably conclude Muslims are at the bottom of religiously motivated attacks anywhere they happen and that political islam is to blame, doesn't hold water.

[romain.star]

lol french clowns down here...not long ago everyone was hashfaggot ridewithyou, now its je suis charlie....

how fast they turn the other ass cheek...

anyway speaking of french faggots in general....wtf u clowns going to stop being a passive country and kick them all out...

Your english writing is quite good for such a heavily retarded young man. Your mom should be proud.

[FromWayDowntown]

Far-left post!!!!

I've outed myself as a terrorist sympathizer.

[Winehole23]

according to the FBI, non-Muslims were responsible for 94% of all terrorist attacks on US soil from 1980-2005. if Islam has always been intrinsically violent and savage, one would expect the figure to be much higher.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/muslims-only-carried-out-2-5-percent-of-terrorist-attacks-on-u-s-soil-between-1970-and-2012.html

[FromWayDowntown]

I should have used blue font.

[FromWayDowntown]

the WTC bombing was carried out by a Christian extremist. the claims that Christian extremism doesn't exist and that we can reasonably conclude Muslims are at the bottom of religiously motivated attacks anywhere they happen and that political islam is to blame, doesn't hold water.

I'm not sure if that's true of the WTC bombing, but there were those characterizations of OKC bomber Timothy McVeigh in the aftermath of his act of terrorism.

[Winehole23]

Tim McVeigh wasn't a white identity Christian nationalist?

[DarrinS]

according to the FBI, non-Muslims were responsible for 94% of all terrorist attacks on US soil from 1980-2005. if Islam has always been intrinsically violent and savage, one would expect the figure to be much higher.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/muslims-only-carried-out-2-5-percent-of-terrorist-attacks-on-u-s-soil-between-1970-and-2012.html


From your link...

Apparently, we need to keep an eye on Latinos and Democrats

http://i2.wp.com/www.loonwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/piechart2.jpg?resize=491%2C491

[DarrinS]

Tim McVeigh wasn't a white identity Christian nationalist?

You and WDT have thoroughly destroyed this guy

http://heritageaction.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Strawman.jpg

[Trill Clinton]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bxhet6IIIAAs3qW.jpg

So simple, so obvious. People are stupid, that's crazy

yup. the main ones condemning all muslisms don't condemn the violence committed by their peers and ancestors.

[ChumpDumper]

From your link...

Apparently, we need to keep an eye on Latinos and Democrats

http://i2.wp.com/www.loonwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/piechart2.jpg?resize=491%2C491lol "others"

[DarrinS]

the WTC bombing was carried out by a Christian extremist. the claims that Christian extremism doesn't exist and that we can reasonably conclude Muslims are at the bottom of religiously motivated attacks anywhere they happen and that political islam is to blame, doesn't hold water.

huh?

[FromWayDowntown]

Tim McVeigh wasn't a white identity Christian nationalist?

He was. He didn't bomb the WTC.

[Winehole23]

I've heard that. Still not sure what to think. What convinced you he wasn't, if I may ask?

[Winehole23]

You and WDT have thoroughly destroyed this guy

http://heritageaction.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Strawman.jpgIt was an homage to you. I can't imagine why you don't approve.

[FromWayDowntown]

I've heard that. Still not sure what to think. What convinced you he wasn't, if I may ask?

I think we need a reset. I agreed with you about McVeigh, just questioned if a Christian extremist carried out the WTC bombing, which was what your original post said.

[Winehole23]

From your link...

Apparently, we need to keep an eye on Latinos and Democrats

http://i2.wp.com/www.loonwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/piechart2.jpg?resize=491%2C491you've clearly picked up your cudgels against the Dems, but you better get cracking on the Puerto Rican nationalists.

[Winehole23]

I think we need a reset. I agreed with you about McVeigh, just questioned if a Christian extremist carried out the WTC bombing, which was what your original post said.it was a poke at DarrinS, not at McVeigh or Christian extremism, so-called.

[Winehole23]

spectacular violence quickly succumbs to facile, pre-existing narratives and simplistic deductions about motive.

[FromWayDowntown]

it was a poke at DarrinS, not at McVeigh or Christian extremism, so-called.

:tu

[DarrinS]

I've heard that. Still not sure what to think. What convinced you he wasn't, if I may ask?

He bombed the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in OKC, which is decidedly different than the WTC. I think that's what WDT is trying to communicate to you.

[boutons_deux]

denounced by Arab states:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/07/charlie-hebdo-killings-arab-states-jihadi-extremist-sympathisers-isis

what? WTF? Repugs/Fox/right-wingbats/Christians have been tellling us for YEARS that all Muslims are terrrorist killers, AND Muslim isn't even a religion.

I'm SO confused. :lol

btw, Phelps Church represents ALL Christians.

[Winehole23]

Misspoke. Meant OKC. Alphabet soup. Corrected.

[DarrinS]

spectacular violence quickly succumbs to facile, pre-existing narratives and simplistic deductions about motive.

Give us a more nuanced explanation of their motive.

[Winehole23]

I gave one upstream. You're most welcome to read through the thread.

[Winehole23]

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[RandomGuy]

Wherever you are, you will pay for this motherfuckers

One would guess so. Their faces are known, and there is no way they are getting out of France.

I give it even odds they are killed in a shootout.

[hater]

One would guess so. Their faces are known, and there is no way they are getting out of France.

I give it even odds they are killed in a shootout.

the ones who did the shooting yes. But not the ones who planned/financed the operation. those guys are friends of the guys that hug obama and hollanaise everytime they come to the middle east.

sure most ppl will be satisfied with the mere actors getting caught and shot. and in time, most ppl will forget. while the real culprits will be playing golf with hollandaise and obama

[Splits]

Ever since the torture report was released last week, U.S. television outlets have endlessly featured American torturers and torture proponents. But there was one group that was almost never heard from: the victims of their torture, not even the ones recognized by the U.S. Government itself as innocent, not even the family members of the ones they tortured to death. Whether by design (most likely) or effect, this inexcusable omission radically distorts coverage.

Whenever America is forced to confront its heinous acts, the central strategy is to disappear the victims, render them invisible. That’s what robs them of their humanity: it’s the process of dehumanization. That, in turns, is what enables American elites first to support atrocities, and then, when forced to reckon with them, tell themselves that - despite some isolated and well-intentioned bad acts – they are still really good, elevated, noble, admirable people. It’s hardly surprising, then, that a Washington Post/ABC News poll released this morning found that a large majority of Americans believe torture is justified even when you call it “torture.” Not having to think about actual human victims makes it easy to justify any sort of crime.


That’s the process by which the reliably repellent Tom Friedman seized on the torture report to celebrate America’s unique greatness. “We are a beacon of opportunity and freedom, and also [] these foreigners know in their bones that we do things differently from other big powers in history,” the beloved-by-DC columnist wrote after reading about forced rectal feeding and freezing detainees to death. For the opinion-making class, even America’s savage torture is proof of its superiority and inherent Goodness: “this act of self-examination is not only what keeps our society as a whole healthy, it’s what keeps us a model that others want to emulate, partner with and immigrate to.” Friedman, who himself unleashed one of the most (literally) psychotic defenses of the Iraq War, ended his torture discussion by approvingly quoting John McCain on America’s enduring moral superiority: “Even in the worst of times, ‘we are always Americans, and different, stronger, and better than those who would destroy us.’”


This self-glorifying ritual can be sustained only by completely suppressing America’s victims. If you don’t hear from the human beings who are tortured, it’s easy to pretend nothing truly terrible happened. That’s how the War on Terror generally has been “reported” for 13 years and counting: by completely silencing those whose lives are destroyed or ended by U.S. crimes. That’s how the illusion gets sustained.


Thus, we sometimes hear about drones (usually to celebrate the Great Kills) but almost never hear from their victims: the surviving family members of innocents whom the U.S. kills or those forced to live under the traumatizing regime of permanently circling death robots. We periodically hear about the vile regimes the U.S. props up for decades, but almost never from the dissidents and activists imprisoned, tortured and killed by those allied tyrants. Most Americans have heard the words “rendition” and “Guantanamo” but could not name a single person victimized by them, let alone recount what happened to them, because they almost never appear on American television.


It would be incredibly easy, and incredibly effective, for U.S. television outlets to interview America’s torture victims. There is certainly no shortage of them. Groups such as the ACLU, Center for Constitutional Rights, Reprieve, and CAGE UK represent many of them. Many are incredibly smart and eloquent, and have spent years contemplating what happened to them and navigating the aftermath on their lives.


I’ve written previously about the transformative experience of meeting and hearing directly from the victims of the abuses by your own government. That human interaction converts an injustice from an abstraction into a deeply felt rage and disgust. That’s precisely why the U.S. media doesn’t air those stories directly from the victims themselves: because it would make it impossible to maintain the pleasing fairy tales about “who we really are.”


When I was in Canada in October, I met Maher Arar (pictured above) for the second time, went to his home, had breakfast with his wife (also pictured above) and two children. In 2002, Maher, a Canadian citizen of Syrian descent who worked as an engineer, was traveling back home to Ottawa when he was abducted by the U.S. Government at JFK Airport, held incommunicado and interrogated for weeks, then “rendered” to Syria where the U.S. arranged to have him brutally tortured by Assad’s regime. He was kept in a coffin-like cell for 10 months and savagely tortured until even his Syrian captors were convinced that he was completely innocent. He was then uncermoniously released back to his life in Canada as though nothing had happened.


When he sued the U.S. government, subservient U.S. courts refused even to hear his case, accepting the Obama DOJ’s claim that it was too secret to safely adjudicate. The Canadian government released the findings of its investigation, publicly apologized for its role, and paid him $9 million. He used some of the money to start a political newspaper, which has since closed. He became an eloquent opponent of both the U.S. War on Terror and the Assad regime which tortured him as part of it.


But all you have to do is spend five minutes talking to him to see that he has never really recovered from being snatched from his own life and savagely tortured at the behest of the U.S. Government that still holds itself out as the Leader of the Free World. Part of him is still back in the torture chamber in Syria, and likely always will be.


Nobody could listen to Maher Arar speak and feel anything but disgust and outrage toward the U.S. Government – not just the Bush administration which kidnapped him and sent him to be tortured, but the Obama administration which protected them and blocked him from receiving justice, and the American media that turned a blind eye toward it, and the majority of the American public that supports this. But that’s exactly why we don’t hear from him: he isn’t on CNN or Meet the Press or Morning Joe to make clear what Michael Hayden and John Yoo really did and what the U.S. government under a Democratic president continues to shield.


There are hundreds if not thousands of Maher Arars the U.S. media could easily and powerfully interview. McClatchy this week detailed the story of Khalid al Masri, a German citizen whom the U.S. Government abducted in Macedonia, tortured, and then dumped on a road when they decided he wasn’t guilty of anything (US courts also refused to hear his case on secrecy grounds). The detainees held without charges, tortured, and then unceremoniously released from Guantanamo and Bagram are rarely if ever heard from on U.S. television, even when the U.S. Government is forced to admit that they were guilty of nothing.


This is not to say that merely putting these victims on television would fundamentally change how these issues are perceived. Many Americans would look at the largely non-white and foreign faces recounting their abuses, or take note of their demonized religion and ethnicity, and react for that reason with indifference or even support for what was done to them.


And one could easily imagine such interviews quickly degenerating into a blame-the-victim spectacle. When Fareed Zakaria this week interviewed former Guantanamo detainee (and current detainee rights advocate) Moazzem Begg, Zakaria demanded that Begg condemn ISIS even though Begg kept explaining that he was “abused cruelly, inhumanely and degradingly” by the U.S. Government, that “pictures of my children are waved in front of me while I’m being beaten and tortured and abused by people who claimed to be the bastions of freedom and democracy and human rights,” and that “whatever the situation was, the Taliban and the ISIS, they didn’t torture me. They didn’t put me into dungeons. They didn’t beat me. They didn’t threaten to, you know, abuse my family. They didn’t do that to me. So I can only talk to my experience.”


What this glaring omission in coverage does more than anything else is conclusively expose the utter fraud of the U.S. media’s claims to “objectivity” and “neutrality.” Outlets like The Washington Post and NPR still justify their refusal to call these torture tactics “torture” by invoking precepts of “neutrality”: we have to show all views, we can’t take sides, etc.


But that’s pure deceit. They don’t show all sides. They systematically and quite deliberately exclude the victims of the very policies of the U.S. Government they pretend to cover. And they do that because including those victims would be too informative, would provide too much information, would be too enlightening. It would, for many people, shatter the myths of American Goodness and the conceit that even when Americans do heinous things, they do it with Goodness and Freedom in their hearts, with a guaranteed and permanent status as superior. At the very least, it would make it impossible for many people to deny to themselves the utter savagery and sadism carried out in their names.


Keeping those victims silenced and invisible is the biggest favor the U.S. television media could do for the government over which they claim to act as watchdogs. So that’s what they do: dutifully, eagerly and with very rare exception.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/16/u-s-tv-media-gives-ample-platform-american-torturers-victims/

[romain.star]

the ones who did the shooting yes. But not the ones who planned/financed the operation. those guys are friends of the guys that hug obama and hollanaise everytime they come to the middle east.

sure most ppl will be satisfied with the mere actors getting caught and shot. and in time, most ppl will forget. while the real culprits will be playing golf with hollandaise and obama

I would be satisfied if those 2 guys get caught, judged and put in jail. I don't want them to die, too easy.

Sadly, death as martyrs is what they want and it's highly probable that they will get it in a few hours/days

[hater]

I would be satisfied if those 2 guys get caught, judged and put in jail.


and sadly most of the population will be satisfied too. meanwhile the real killers are exchanging texts with the oilcos and banksters that bankroll Obama and Hollandaise.

[Chris]

and sadly most of the population will be satisfied too. meanwhile the real killers are exchanging texts with the oilcos and banksters that bankroll Obama and Hollandaise.

PMC Black Ops doing the dirty work of the elite. Boston bombing was a blueprint tbh

[boutons_deux]

46 examples of Muslim outrage about Paris shooting that Fox News can’t seem to find

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/46-examples-of-muslim-outrage-about-paris-shooting-that-fox-news-cant-seem-to-find/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[TheSanityAnnex]

46 examples of Muslim outrage about Paris shooting that Fox News can’t seem to find

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/46-examples-of-muslim-outrage-about-paris-shooting-that-fox-news-cant-seem-to-find/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29




Author Katie Halper: Born and raised on the mean streets of New York City's Upper West Side, Katie Halper is a comedian, writer and filmmaker. She is the co-host of Morning Jew, writes for places like The Nation, Feministing, Jezebel and appears on places like MSNBC, RT, Sirius radio (which hung up on her once). Katie's had her photo taken with Rudy Giuliani and was called "cute and somewhat brainy" by the National Review.

:lol

[The Reckoning]

lol france with their week long reaction time. letting hooded gunmen casually enter, do their shit, get back in their vehicle and leave.

[Winehole23]

Terrorism persists because terrorism works. Terrorism works because we let it.


It takes a great deal of violence to wipe out an army. But it only takes a tiny bit of violence to instill a sense of fear in a population. Terrorism is not meant to conquer through force; it is meant to conquer through fear.


How did you feel when you heard that men with machine guns had murdered a dozen people at a French newspaper because they did not like its political content? Angry. Afraid. Those of us in the media felt these twin emotions most of all. "I am shaking with rage at the attack on Charlie Hebdo," wrote (https://twitter.com/NYTimesCohen/status/552815122897727488)the New York Times' Roger Cohen. "It's an attack on the free world. The entire free world should respond, ruthlessly."


Rage and fear. These are the twin goals of terrorists. And terrorism is wonderfully effective at achieving these goals. All of our rhetoric about bravery and freedom and honor and Settled Determination to Push Forward After This Tragedy rarely adds up to anything more than rage and fear. Our responses to terrorism are based on rage and fear. Because of this, terrorism works.


The attacks of September 11 were a spectacular success. Is there any other honest interpretation? They were a success not because of the Americans they killed that day, but because we chose to spend the next decade mired in hopeless, counterproductive global wars that cost us trillions of dollars and killed thousands more Americans and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. Terrorists wanted to show the world that we were brutal and unjust, and we did our best to help them do that. Terrorists wanted a war, and we gave them one. And we lost. We lost by giving them the stupid, fearful, angry response that they wanted.


Two men with a rifle paralyze Washington, DC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks)for weeks. Two men with a couple of homemade bombs paralyze Boston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombings) for days. One man on a plane with a dud bomb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid) packed inside his boots has an entire nation taking off its shoes at the airport for years to come. A small group of religious zealots send three U.S. presidential administrations down a nightmarish rabbithole of drone war, torture, and total surveillance of the citizenry.


Terrorism works (http://gawker.com/terrorism-and-the-public-imagination-504465287). Against us, terrorism works very, very well. Our collective insistence on treating terrorist acts as something categorically different than crime—as something harder to understand, something scarier, something perpetrated not by humans but by monsters—feeds the ultimate goals of terrorists. It makes us dumb. It makes us primitive. It is our boogeyman, and no amount of rational talk will drive it out of our minds.


Terrorists who despise freedom of speech shoot up a satirical magazine. How do we respond? We respond with fear, by censoring ourselves and refusing to show (http://gawker.com/newspapers-are-pixelating-charlie-hebdo-cartoons-depict-1678039975)the very images that prompted the attack in the first place. (Nothing new about that—the free press has demonstrated (http://gawker.com/5661042/cowardly-washington-post-censors-cartoonist-out-of-blind-fear) its cowardice (http://gawker.com/388948/us-newspapers-remembered-as-cowards) on this issue for years now.) We respond with rage, by condemning (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/395876/dont-blame-charlie-hebdo-mass-murder-extremism-andrew-c-mccarthy) all of Islam and instinctively calling for a response violent enough to dwarf the violence of the initial attack. We cower in fear and cry for war. We countenance any countermeasure as long as it will keep us safe. We let the ideal we once proclaimed so strongly sink into a pool of terror, and drown.



Sound familiar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse)? It is always the way. We are richer, and mightier, and far more deadly than any of our terrorist foes could dream of being. And yet we happily play into their hands. We declare a "War on Terror" of our own making, an absurd construct with no possible victory. We overreact so harshly to every injury that our reputation as bullies and savages is confirmed. We allow ourselves to be cowed by fear. We allow ourselves to be rendered senseless by rage. The terrorist lays the bait, and we give him the terror he seeks. The terrorist may be the criminal, but we are the hapless suckers who make his act worthwhile.


Terrorism works. But it does not have to. Terrorism reduces us (http://gawker.com/terrorism-and-the-public-imagination-504465287) to the sort of society that we claim to despise. But it does not have to. The ideals we espouse when times are calm—justice, understanding, rationality, proportionality, a love of peace—are the ones that we must cling to most tightly when things get scary. If we discard them, we have lost the game from the start.


We cannot control the terrorist. We can only control our response. Let that response be just, and wise, and proportional. Let that response embody the best of who we are, and not the worst. Terror is momentary. A loss of our ideals can last forever.

http://gawker.com/terrorism-works-1678049997

[Winehole23]

Bravery and ideals that vanish in the face of spectacular and dastardly crimes and seek refuge in brute force to the exclusion of all else -- including our own ideals --aren't worth the name.

[RandomGuy]

http://gawker.com/terrorism-works-1678049997

Terrorism works in some sense, but in a very real sense almost always has effects exactly the opposite of what terrorists intend.

[RandomGuy]

Bravery and ideals that vanish in the face of spectacular and dastardly crimes and seek refuge in brute force to the exclusion of all else -- including our own ideals --aren't worth the name.

I agree. Moral high ground has more value than many seem to realize.

[RandomGuy]

the ones who did the shooting yes. But not the ones who planned/financed the operation. those guys are friends of the guys that hug obama and hollanaise everytime they come to the middle east.

sure most ppl will be satisfied with the mere actors getting caught and shot. and in time, most ppl will forget. while the real culprits will be playing golf with hollandaise and obama


Saudi Arabia to flog activist for blasphemy on Friday: Amnesty
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/08/us-saudi-rights-idUSKBN0KH1GD20150108



Saudi Arabia condemns ‘cowardly terrorist’ shooting in Paris
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2015/01/07/Saudi-Arabia-condemns-cowardly-terrorist-shooting-in-Paris-.html


Maybe they were hoping the French government would just flog the editors and cartoonists....

[SupremeGuy]

Just your typical anti-Christian/anti-White/anti-Western/pro-savage posters posting nonsense in this thread, tbh. Modern day muslims just killed a bunch of people and attacked freedom of speech in France, but no, let's talk about how Christians were doing the same thing a thousand years ago. :lol

Please take all your far left nonsense to a middle eastern country and tell them all about how you support gay rights, womens' rights, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion. I'd love to see you still supporting their beautiful culture while they're stoning you next to a woman who let herself get raped.

[SupremeGuy]

Author Katie Halper: Born and raised on the mean streets of New York City's Upper West Side, Katie Halper is a comedian, writer and filmmaker. She is the co-host of Morning Jew, writes for places like The Nation, Feministing, Jezebel and appears on places like MSNBC, RT, Sirius radio (which hung up on her once). Katie's had her photo taken with Rudy Giuliani and was called "cute and somewhat brainy" by the National Review.

:lolI'm shocked. :lol

[in2deep]

46 out of 1.5 billion is not much

[Axl Rose]

Author Katie Halper: Born and raised on the mean streets of New York City's Upper West Side, Katie Halper is a comedian, writer and filmmaker. She is the co-host of Morning Jew, writes for places like The Nation, Feministing, Jezebel and appears on places like MSNBC, RT, Sirius radio (which hung up on her once). Katie's had her photo taken with Rudy Giuliani and was called "cute and somewhat brainy" by the National Review.

:lol


Its always the kikes, /pol/ is always right

[Koolaid_Man]

I dont' feel sorry for the satirists as they're nothing but playground bullies....the terrorists need to be caught and brought to justice but let's not act like this is about freedom of speech....if it were then the Satirists would make cartoons depicting child rape...how about that for freedom of speech....

[Winehole23]

not very long ago, radical Islamists were our allies against the USSR:


The tiresome debate (http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2014/10/reza-aslan-on-what-the-new-atheists-get-wrong.html) over whether Islam is somehow more violent than other religions unfortunately won't go away. Recent spats between outspoken commentator Reza Aslan, TV host Bill Maher and neuroscientist Sam Harris -- who said on Maher's show that Islam was "the mother lode of bad ideas (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sam-harris-tells-don-lemon-he-still-thinks-islam-is-motherlode-of-bad-ideas/)" -- have launched a thousand blog posts and vitriolic tweets.


Writing last week in The Washington Post's opinion pages (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/fareed-zakaria-islam-has-a-problem-right-now-but-heres-why-bill-maher-is-wrong/2014/10/09/b6302a14-4fe6-11e4-aa5e-7153e466a02d_story.html), Fareed Zakaria acknowledged the existence of an unpleasant level of intolerance in some Muslim-majority countries, but stressed such societal ills can't be laid at the feet of a whole religion. "So, the strategy to reform Islam," Zakaria asks Maher, Harris and their supporters, "is to tell 1.6 billion Muslims, most of whom are pious and devout, that their religion is evil and they should stop taking it seriously?"


The backdrop to this conversation is the U.S.-led war effort against the extremist militants of the Islamic State, as well as the continued threat of terrorist groups elsewhere that subscribe to certain puritanical forms of Islam. Their streak of fundamentalism is, for the West, the bogeyman of the moment. But many argue (http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2014/10/reza-aslan-on-what-the-new-atheists-get-wrong.html?n_play=543d5111e4b054820a32ce15) it has little to do with Islam, writ large.


In any case, Islam and those who practice it were not always perceived to be such a cultural threat. Just a few decades ago, the U.S. and its allies in the West had no qualms about abetting Islamist militants in their battles with the Soviets in Afghanistan.http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/10/15/when-the-west-wanted-islam-to-curb-christian-extremism/

[ElNono]

not very long ago, radical Islamists were our allies against the USSR:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/10/15/when-the-west-wanted-islam-to-curb-christian-extremism/

we were far-left then...

[Winehole23]

and a century before that, against Christian extremists in Czarist Russia:


Look even further, and there was a time when a vocal constituency in the West saw the community of Islam as a direct, ideological counter to a mutual enemy.

Turn back to the 1830s. An influential group of officials in Britain -- then the most powerful empire in the West, with a professed belief in liberal values and free trade -- was growing increasingly concerned about the expanding might of Russia. From Central Asia to the Black Sea, Russia's newly won domains were casting a shadow over British colonial interests in India and the Middle East. The potential Russian capture of Istanbul, capital of the weakening Ottoman Empire, would mean Russia's navy would have free access to the Mediterranean Sea--an almost unthinkable prospect for Britain and other European powers.


And so, among diplomats and in the press, a Russophobic narrative (http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/40105148?uid=3739584&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21104345952871) began to emerge. It was ideological, a clash of civilizations. After all, beginning with the Catherine the Great in the late 18th century, the Russians had framed their own conquests in religious terms: to reclaim Istanbul, once the center of Orthodox Christianity, and, as one of her favorite court poets (http://books.google.com/books?id=lyWGAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA3550&lpg=PA3550&dq=gabriel+derzhavin&source=bl&ots=7HKTgNbbUO&sig=J3nETydxmuALsBziimFxYPza084&hl=en&sa=X&ei=WP8-VJivAdafyATKxICoCg&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=gabriel%20derzhavin&f=false) put it, "advance through a Crusade" to the Holy Lands and "purify the river Jordan."


That sort of Christian zeal won little sympathy among other non-Orthodox Christians. Jerusalem in the 19th century was still the site of acrimonious street battles between Christian sects, policed by the exasperated Ottomans. Russian Orthodox proselytizing of Catholics in Poland infuriated European Catholic nations (http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3004165?uid=3739584&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21104345952871) further west, such as France.


Baron Ponsonby, the British ambassador to Istanbul for much of the 1830s, decided the job of thwarting Russian expansionism was a "Holy Cause." An article in the "British and Foreign Review" pamphlet, circulated in Britain in 1836, saw the Ottomans (http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/4283419?uid=3739584&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21104345952871) as "the only bulwark of Europe against Muscovy, of civilization against barbarism." Russia represented, in some accounts (http://www.countriesquest.com/europe/russia/history/romanov_rule/peter_i_and_catherine_ii.htm), a backward, superstitious society where peasants still labored in semi-slavery and monarchs ruled as tyrants, unchallenged by parliaments and liberal sentiment. The Ottomans, who were embarking on their own process of reform, looked favorable in comparison.


David Urquhart, an enterprising agent who served a spell with Ponsonby in Istanbul, became one of the most energetic champions (http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/40105148?uid=3739584&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21104345952871) of the Ottoman cause and Islamic culture in British policy circles. His writings on the threat of Russia shaped the opinions (http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/40400139?uid=3739584&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21104345952871) of many in Britain at the time, including a certain Karl Marx. And Urquhart's time spent among the tribes of the northern Caucasus (http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/20620535?uid=3739584&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21104345952871) set the stage for decades of romantic European idealizing of the rugged Muslim fighters in Russia's shadow.


Urquhart returned from his travels in Turkey and elsewhere convinced that the Ottoman lifestyle was better for one's health. "If London were [Muslim]," he wrote (http://books.google.com/books?id=qAIHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=If+London+were+Mussulman,+Urquhart&source=bl&ots=zkfkB3Ln2f&sig=U97iCassjXtIYEPNXVSkMft4LxY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=lgc_VN_wItiiyAS9nIDoCw&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=If%20London%20were%20Mussulman%2C%20Urquhart&f=false), "the population would bathe regularly, have a better-dressed dinner for money, and prefer water to wine or brandy, gin or beer." He would later launch a largely unsuccessful movement to bring the culture of Turkish baths (http://www.victorianturkishbath.org/2history/atozhist/review/2UrquhartSF.htm) to the cold damp of Victorian Britain.


Casting his eye to the territories the Ottomans controlled, Urquhart praised the empire's rule over a host of Christian communities and other sects -- for example, the warring Druze and Maronites in the Levant, or feuding Greek Orthodox and Armenians. In a passage cited by the historian Orlando Figes in his excellent history of the Crimean War (http://www.amazon.com/The-Crimean-War-A-History/dp/1250002524), Urquhart credits Islam under the Ottomans as a specifically "tolerant, moderating force":


What traveler has not observed the fanaticism, the antipathy of all these [Christian] sects – their hostility to each other? Who has traced their actual repose to the [I]toleration of Islamism? Islamism, calm, absorbed, without spirit of dogma, or views of proselytism, imposes at present on the other creeds the reserve and silence which characterize itself. But let this moderator be removed, and the humble professions now confined to the sanctuary would be proclaimed in the court and the military camp; political power and political enmity would combine with religious domination and religious animosity; the empire would be deluged in blood, until a nervous arm – the arm of Russia – appears to restore harmony, by despotism.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/10/15/when-the-west-wanted-islam-to-curb-christian-extremism/

[webshad]

the OKC bombing was carried out by a Christian extremist. the claims that Christian extremism doesn't exist and that we can reasonably conclude Muslims are at the bottom of religiously motivated attacks anywhere they happen and that political islam is to blame, doesn't hold water.

how about this faggot? another christian terrorist, should send him to Syria/Iraq since he likes to fight unarmed muslims students/teenagers and other innocent bystanders, let's see how long he survives over there

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/04/16/opinion/4162012Anders/4162012Anders-blog480.jpg

[webshad]

I dont' feel sorry for the satirists as they're nothing but playground bullies....the terrorists need to be caught and brought to justice but let's not act like this is about freedom of speech....if it were then the Satirists would make cartoons depicting child rape...how about that for freedom of speech....

well said!

[ChumpDumper]

Author Katie Halper: Born and raised on the mean streets of New York City's Upper West Side, Katie Halper is a comedian, writer and filmmaker. She is the co-host of Morning Jew, writes for places like The Nation, Feministing, Jezebel and appears on places like MSNBC, RT, Sirius radio (which hung up on her once). Katie's had her photo taken with Rudy Giuliani and was called "cute and somewhat brainy" by the National Review.

:lol]What is your point?

[ChumpDumper]

I dont' feel sorry for the satirists as they're nothing but playground bullies....the terrorists need to be caught and brought to justice but let's not act like this is about freedom of speech....if it were then the Satirists would make cartoons depicting child rape...how about that for freedom of speech....Why are you in favor of child rape?

[KL2]

Religion.

[FlAVaK]

https://fbexternal-a.akamaihd.net/safe_image.php?d=AQCB6mtgcCC1m55P&w=487&h=412&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FB6wKiwZC IAEo5fj.png

[pgardn]

not very long ago, radical Islamists were our allies against the USSR:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/10/15/when-the-west-wanted-islam-to-curb-christian-extremism/

Well we had this little problem in NYC...

Not very long ago.

There are elements in the far left, right and almost all religious extremists that really don't care for Judeo-Christian ethics or anything to do with democracy.

[Winehole23]

how about this faggot? another christian terrorist, should send him to Syria/Iraq since he likes to fight unarmed muslims students/teenagers and other innocent bystanders, let's see how long he survives over there

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/04/16/opinion/4162012Anders/4162012Anders-blog480.jpgNorway did it right. Charged Anders Breivik as a common criminal, convicted him and put him in prison.

[Malik Hairston]

Ash-hadu an la ilaha ill Allah Wa ash-hadu ana Muhammad ar-rasullallah..

[Winehole23]

Well we had this little problem in NYC...

Not very long ago.What conclusions did you draw from that?

[SnakeBoy]

lol usual suspects on the scene to defend Islam by attacking Christianity

[Nbadan]

lol usual suspects on the scene to defend Islam by attacking Christianity

Usual suspects on the scene blaming Muslims instead of radical Islam...

[Brazil]

lol french clowns down here...not long ago everyone was hashfaggot ridewithyou, now its je suis charlie....

how fast they turn the other ass cheek...

anyway speaking of french faggots in general....wtf u clowns going to stop being a passive country and kick them all out...

Hey buffon when your joke of a country does the same with yours islamist tbh ?

[romain.star]

Just your typical anti-Christian/anti-White/anti-Western/pro-savage posters posting nonsense in this thread, tbh. Modern day muslims just killed a bunch of people and attacked freedom of speech in France, but no, let's talk about how Christians were doing the same thing a thousand years ago. :lol

Please take all your far left nonsense to a middle eastern country and tell them all about how you support gay rights, womens' rights, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion. I'd love to see you still supporting their beautiful culture while they're stoning you next to a woman who let herself get raped.

The vast majority of French muslims are as chocked as us. They have nothing to do with it and yet stupid racist people like yourself are talking about the muslims as if they were all supporting islamist terrorism. As a matter of fact, the first victims of these fanatics are the muslims themself (see in Irak, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan etc..). Oh and 2 out of the 12 Charlie Hebdo shooting were muslims.

[Brazil]

The two terrorists are hiding in a plant in the east of Paris... they probably have some hostage...

a link here to follow it's in French: http://www.lemonde.fr/m-actu/article/2015/01/09/je-suis-charlie-c-est-lui_4552523_4497186.html

I hope they just die in the operation tbh...

[romain.star]

The two terrorists are hiding in a plant in the east of Paris... they probably have some hostage...

a link here to follow it's in French: http://www.lemonde.fr/m-actu/article/2015/01/09/je-suis-charlie-c-est-lui_4552523_4497186.html

I hope they just die in the operation tbh...

I hope they don't. That's too simple. They need to be judged... but they will probably die during the assault anyway

[SupremeGuy]

The vast majority of French muslims are as chocked as us. They have nothing to do with it and yet stupid racist people like yourself are talking about the muslims as if they were all supporting islamist terrorism. As a matter of fact, the first victims of these fanatics are the muslims themself (see in Irak, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan etc..). Oh and 2 out of the 12 Charlie Hebdo shooting were muslims.Says who? You? When I see them march and hold rallies in large numbers in support of the cartoonists that died, then I'll believe you. Until then, you're full of shit.

And your defense against their barbaric religion and culture is that they also kill each other? Do I have to explain to you how stupid of a defense that is? Whether you want to believe it or not, modern day islam and it's vile culture are a huge problem, and they will continue to kill cartoonists/satirists/homos/women/children/Christians/jews/etc because people like you live in a dream World and refuse to hold them, their religion, and their culture accountable.

[SupremeGuy]

Some of you sick fucks would rather freedom die than hold minorities accountable for any of their actions, tbh. It's because of people like you that there is terrorism... smh

[Brazil]

I hope they don't. That's too simple. They need to be judged... but they will probably die during the assault anyway

I'd rather see them die and move on...

This fucking tragedy is gonna split a bit more society in France... the biggest winner of all of that is the FN... so the sooner we close this chapter the better. Closing does not mean forgetting but I think a long trial would be the worst thing that could happen. imho fwiw

[boutons_deux]

bullshit

people who kill in the name of Christ or Allah or religion are not "minorities", not "religious", they are simply criminals. Who's not holding murderous criminals accountable?

also, people who kill in the name of bringing "democracy" and "freedom" (aka, Americans), are also SIMPLY CRIMINALS (but they get away with it, and YOU don't GAF)

[romain.star]

Says who? You? When I see them march and hold rallies in large numbers in support of the cartoonists that died, then I'll believe you. Until then, you're full of shit.

And your defense against their barbaric religion and culture is that they also kill each other? Do I have to explain to you how stupid of a defense that is? Whether you want to believe it or not, modern day islam and it's vile culture are a huge problem, and they will continue to kill cartoonists/satirists/homos/women/children/Christians/jews/etc because people like you live in a dream World and refuse to hold them, their religion, and their culture accountable.

Do you read French newspapper? Do you watch French TV and listen to French radio? Do you read French posts and comments on Twitter and Facebook? Do you know anyone from France? No, no, no and no. So please don't tell me that I am full of shit. I tell you this again: the vast majority of the French muslims are as chocked as the rest of the population and they are scared that simple minded people like you confuse them with extremists.

Oh and can't you see that within the western Muslim community, there is on one side Team Fanatics (a very noisy/dangerous/crazy/fucked up minority) ; and on the other side Team Civilization (a normal/peacefull majority just like you and me... well not you actually). Is it so complicated for your little brain to see the difference?

[Brazil]

Says who? You? When I see them march and hold rallies in large numbers in support of the cartoonists that died, then I'll believe you. Until then, you're full of shit.

And your defense against their barbaric religion and culture is that they also kill each other? Do I have to explain to you how stupid of a defense that is? Whether you want to believe it or not, modern day islam and it's vile culture are a huge problem, and they will continue to kill cartoonists/satirists/homos/women/children/Christians/jews/etc because people like you live in a dream World and refuse to hold them, their religion, and their culture accountable.


Some of you sick fucks would rather freedom die than hold minorities accountable for any of their actions, tbh. It's because of people like you that there is terrorism... smh

you ma nigg and all but simply you are wrong... why a whole community should be accountable for a small group of violent fuckers ?

There are 6,5 M muslims in France, the vast majority of them lives peacefully.

Worst part is most of French think like you and they are not all stupid and ignorant. A survey published in Le Monde in 2013 found that 74% of French citizens view Islam as "intolerant" and "incompatible" with French values. The survey, conducted by Ipsos, also found that 70% of respondents said there are too many foreigners in France, and 67% said they no longer feel at home in France.

That's for me is scary... Big winner as I was saying will be the extreme right Front National. If they are elected, it will suck for France, it will suck for Europe, it will suck for the Euro and if Euro region is destabilized it will suck for global economy and the US.

As american citizen trust me you don't want a Euro collapse and increase of protectionism in Europe.

[romain.star]

Some of you sick fucks would rather freedom die than hold minorities accountable for any of their actions, tbh. It's because of people like you that there is terrorism... smh

So what I am supposed to do with one of my best friend who happens to be a French muslim named Omar? Should I blame him? Is he responsible for the killing too? Should I kill him maybe? Send him back to his country? (please note that he was born and raised in France, just like his parents).

Please enlight me clever boy

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

So what I am supposed to do with one of my best friend who happens to be a French muslim named Omar? Should I blame him? Is he responsible for the killing too? Should I kill him maybe? Send him back to his country? (please note that he was born and raised in France, just like his parents).

Please enlight me clever boy

I think you should have Omar jizz in your wife/girlfriends pussy imo tbh

[ChumpDumper]

Some of you sick fucks would rather freedom die than hold minorities accountable for any of their actions, tbh. It's because of people like you that there is terrorism... smhIndividuals are responsible for their actions. Holding an entire race/religion/nationality responsible gets you things like 9/11. Congratulations: you're a terrorist.

[Winehole23]

I agree. Moral high ground has more value than many seem to realize.There's a downside to abandoning ideals. Innocent people die and get tortured.


By late 2002 JSOC operators were discreetly based in Qatar and Kenya for potential missions in Yemen and Somalia. It developed an in-house signals intelligence unit, known as the Activity (http://sofrep.com/5841/intelligence-support-activity-jsocs-most-secretive-unit/), and Rumsfeld created a JSOC human intelligence collection operation, called the Strategic Support Branch, that mirrored the capabilities of the CIA.


The addition of the intelligence aspect "effectively meant that JSOC was free to act as a spy agency and kill/capture force rolled into one," Scahill writes.


JSOC even ran an interrogation program, parallel to the CIA's black sites, that would provide the administration with even more flexibility and less oversight (See: Camp Nama (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/01/camp-nama-iraq-human-rights-abuses)).


Rumsfeld worked to make sure that the unit was "unrestrained and unaccountable to anyone except him, Cheney, and the president" while Cheney began going to JSOC headquarters at Fort Bragg in North Carolina to give direct action orders.
"It grew and went out of control under the vice president (http://www.businessinsider.com/the-power-of-dick-cheney-in-dirty-wars-2013-4#ixzz2S4yxkt4v). It kinda went wild," Vincent Cannistraro, a career CIA counterterrorism officer, told Scahill. "There were a couple of places where, because they weren't coordinated, they weren't informed, they killed people that were not real targets. They were wrong. It happened, frequently."



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-rise-of-jsoc-in-dirty-wars-2013-4#ixzz3OKruOf9Y

[pgardn]

What conclusions did you draw from that?

Extremists hold their views as sacred. Desecration of these views is not tolerated.

True democratic societies are tolerant of a range of views and therefore are evil.

[romain.star]

I think you should have Omar jizz in your wife/girlfriends pussy imo tbh

Already done. If you wish to watch the video, let me know

[Winehole23]

Extremists hold their views as sacred. Desecration of these views is not tolerated.

True democratic societies are tolerant of a range of views and therefore are evil.you condemn whole societies based on the evil actions of individuals, or small, terroristic groups?

[boutons_deux]

I read where of 6M Maghrebins in France, only 2M really practice the Muslim religion (and probably only a tiny percentages are extremely devout but still not killers), while the rest are as secular as they typical non-practicing "Catholic" French person.

The children of the 1960s-80s North African immigrants probably don't practice Muslim religion any more than their French contemporaries. But for SupremePrick, they are ALL jihadist murderers.

French racism against Maghrebins is quite strong, just like racism in USA, so a lot of young French guys see no future for themselves "as French-born citizens" and are targets for radicalization. If France doesn't want them, then they affiliate with something else. So in a sense, the French Maghrebins murdering Charlie Hebdo could be seen as blowback for French racism.

French Maghrebins are quite active against French Jews (about 600K in France, the largest Jewish community in W. Europe). One Jewish school in Clichy looks like a high security prison, with watch towers, high walls topped with razor wire.

I heard one French Muslim on NPR say some French guys who went to Syria weren't at all religious. Records show they bought "Muslim for Dummies" on Amazon before going to Syria to become "religious" extremist murderers. :lol

[pgardn]

you condemn whole societies based on the evil actions of individuals, or small, terroristic groups?

Me, or an extremist?

[Winehole23]

Turning that around, pgardn, doesn't it make much more sense to condemn the USA as intolerant and evil for certain actions of our government, e'g. the torture of innocents at the hands of the CIA, indefinite detention at Gitmo, the collateral damage of drone strikes and frequent mistakes by JSOC, our very own global death squad?

After all, these are not the actions of a few bad guys or a terroristic cadre, but the actions of a duly elected government, putatively acting on behalf of its own citizens.

[Winehole23]

Me, or an extremist?You seemed to be doing so wrt 9/11.

[Winehole23]

there was an implied contrast with "true democratic societies."

[Brazil]

I read where of 6M Maghrebins in France, only 2M really practice the Muslim religion (and probably only a tiny percentages are extremely devout but still not killers), while the rest are as secular as they typical non-practicing "Catholic" French person.

The children of the 1960s-80s North African immigrants probably don't practice Muslim religion any more than their French contemporaries. But for SupremePrick, they are ALL jihadist murderers.

French racism against Maghrebins is quite strong, just like racism in USA, so a lot of young French guys see no future for themselves "as French-born citizens" and are targets for radicalization. If France doesn't want them, then they affiliate with something else. So in a sense, the French Maghrebins murdering Charlie Hebdo could be seen as blowback for French racism.

French Maghrebins are quite active against French Jews (about 600K in France, the largest Jewish community in W. Europe). One Jewish school in Clichy looks like a high security prison, with watch towers, high walls topped with razor wire.

I heard one French Muslim on NPR say some French guys who went to Syria weren't at all religious. Records show they bought "Muslim for Dummies" on Amazon before going to Syria to become "religious" extremist murderers. :lol

good post tbh

[pgardn]

Turning that around, pgardn, doesn't it make much more sense to condemn the USA as intolerant and evil for certain actions of our government, e'g. the torture of innocents at the hands of the CIA, indefinite detention at Gitmo, the collateral damage of drone strikes and frequent mistakes by JSOC, our very own global death squad?

After all, these are not the actions of a few bad guys or a terroristic cadre, but the actions of a duly elected government, putatively acting on behalf of its own citizens.

Yet we converse about this and realize that the examples given above may be used as lessons of what not to do. Approaches to protecting individual rights v. the rights of the whole and the protection of the whole is an old problem and in a constant state of flux.

[pgardn]

You seemed to be doing so wrt 9/11.

Well I do realize now I will be checked much more thoroughly at for example airports. I may not like it.

[Winehole23]

Yet we converse about this and realize that the examples given above may be used as lessons of what not to do. Approaches to protecting individual rights v. the rights of the whole and the protection of the whole is an old problem and in a constant state of flux.Usually to the detriment of the rights of the individual -- there's a ratchet effect. It's unclear whether the pendulum ever swings back.

[pgardn]

Usually to the detriment of the rights of the individual -- there's a ratchet effect. It's unclear whether the pendulum ever swings back.



When the pendulum swings back is tough.

The pendulum has already begun to decelerate imo. At the time 9/11 occurred people as a whole were much more willing to give up their individual rights. Now, we are much more willing to question what kind of stuff our government (for and by the people) is allowed to peer into concerning individuals in order to protect the whole. You don't think this is true as a generalization?

[pgardn]

As an aside:

Winehole, your efforts in putting up some very interesting articles are appreciated.

[Winehole23]

Now, we are much more willing to question what kind of stuff our government (for and by the people) is allowed to peer into concerning individuals in order to protect the whole. You don't think this is true as a generalization?Yes, I do, but all it takes is another attack on US soil to reverse it.

[Winehole23]

As an aside:

Winehole, your efforts in putting up some very interesting articles are appreciated.Most welcome. It's a hobby at this point.

[pgardn]

Yes, I do, but all it takes is another attack on US soil to reverse it.

Or another Edward Snowden like event to turn it round. Which is why I personally look at the press as the 4th branch of government. Which is why I like reading solid reporting/analysis.

[Winehole23]

The last Edward Snowden type event before Edward Snowden was The Pentagon Papers. No telling how long it'll be til the next one, but I suppose one might say the same for the next terrorist attack.

[webshad]

Very sad day indeed

But they shouldnt give lessons when it comes to freedom of speech

Dieudonné says a couple of things on Jews and everybody in France is up in arms

Sure, nobody went out and killed him, but that's not my point

It's the double standards

yes lefty


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QeuZjHXfcI

[boutons_deux]

French Google fund to pay for 1 million print run of Charlie Hebdo next week


http://regmedia.co.uk/2015/01/08/charlie_hebdo_cover_montage.jpg?x=648&y=429&crop=1

Money put into a fund by Google as a sweetener for French publishers during the link tax row of 2013 (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/02/04/google_link_tax_french_media/)will be used to pay for next week’s edition of Charlie Hebdo.

Following an attack by gunmen on the magazine's offices in Paris on Wednesday – in which 12 people were killed – the media world has come together to support the French satirical weekly. But it seems the firm that some see as publishers’ biggest foe is ultimately bankrolling next week’s edition.

Eight of the 12 people killed were journalists attending an editorial meeting, however, a senior editor and the magazine’s chief executive were in London at the time of the attack. They have vowed to do a massive 1 million copy print run next week – Charlie Hebdo’s circulation is normally around 60k.

The cash will come from €60m fund (€20m per year over three years) that supports digital publishing innovation. The fund was set up in 2013 following negotiations between Google and the French government as a remedy to demands from European publishers that Google pay for displaying news snippets in its search results.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/09/alternative_google_tax_to_pay_for_1_million_charli e_hebdo_print_run_next_week/

[unleashbaynes]

Some of you sick fucks would rather freedom die than hold minorities accountable for any of their actions, tbh. It's because of people like you that there is terrorism... smh

By the way, we had an abortion clinic bombed by a christian pro-life group here not too long ago....you christian by any chance? Could you come by the office for some questioning? Or at least tell all your little christian friends that we don't appreciate them hiding behind ancient religious texts to commit atrocities? we need to hold all christians accountable.


Dipshit.

[Koolaid_Man]

Whites reign Supreme on the domestic terror list.... just saying ;-)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/Koolbreezey/hate3_zps8fcb876d.gif

[Winehole23]

breaking, via Twitter: both sieges over, hostages freed, all suspects dead.

[Winehole23]

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2015/01/09/the-endgame-in-france/

[Koolaid_Man]

breaking, via Twitter: both sieges over, hostages freed, all suspects dead.

which is exactly what they wanted anyway..I've said all along the Western world doesn't seem to get it....we will always be the ones to lose in the event of terrorism because these guys take dying as a badge of honor....they embrace it....we cannot use it as a means of fear against them...I think the only thing might deter them is to force them to work on a swine farm....:lol but then again they'd just kill themselves before capture.... so we caught and killed Bin-Laden....does that make-up for the 3000k lives that were lost...I think not....this is a losing war....I don't see how it will ever stop

[boutons_deux]

"It's Dead, Jim"

[RandomGuy]

There's a downside to abandoning ideals. Innocent people die and get tortured.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-rise-of-jsoc-in-dirty-wars-2013-4#ixzz3OKruOf9Y


Yonivore et al. view that as an acceptable cost, if they acknowledge it happens at all, which, given that particular mindsets inability to consider data objectively, is doubtful.

[RandomGuy]

Some of you sick fucks would rather freedom die than hold minorities accountable for any of their actions, tbh. It's because of people like you that there is terrorism... smh

Define "hold minorities accountable for any of their actions".

Granted:
Islam, to the evidence available to me, does appear to lead to more violence than other religions.

Few bits by sam harris on the topic:

Sam Harris - 'Muslims do not Have a clue about what constitutes a civil society'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxjBjRnhUqA

Sam Harris vs Muslim apologists 1/3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnJ4S2l0nIs

Etc.

That, however, doesn't mean I am for depriving them of basic human rights, despite their silly superstitions.

[RandomGuy]

which is exactly what they wanted anyway..I've said all along the Western world doesn't seem to get it....we will always be the ones to lose in the event of terrorism because these guys take dying as a badge of honor....they embrace it....we cannot use it as a means of fear against them...I think the only thing might deter them is to force them to work on a swine farm....:lol but then again they'd just kill themselves before capture.... so we caught and killed Bin-Laden....does that make-up for the 3000k lives that were lost...I think not....this is a losing war....I don't see how it will ever stop

Shocker, Kool not understanding a complex issue.

Stop the presses...

[RandomGuy]

Or another Edward Snowden like event to turn it round. Which is why I personally look at the press as the 4th branch of government. Which is why I like reading solid reporting/analysis.

+1

[Brazil]

I'm glad they dead

time to move on as quick as possible

[Infinite_limit]

I'm glad they dead

time to move on as quick as possible
The repercussions cannot be reversed.

Cat is out of bag. France was not doing their homework on terrorist links. Guy was on US no fly zone, served in prison for connections to Al Qaeda. Time to send in the military and clean up those Islam ghettos that Police are too afraid to penetrate. I'm sorry for the innocent Muslims who will be swept up in this storm but European immigration IS OVER.

The media can no longer proclaim those marching against Islam as simply radicals, nazis, whatever BS. When and chances are sooner than later an event like this unfolds in Germany. We might see physical back lash. Enough time has passed since WW2, people are finished with hearing the same ole guilt tripped story.

[ChumpDumper]

The repercussions cannot be reversed.

Cat is out of bag. France was not doing their homework on terrorist links. Guy was on US no fly zone, served in prison for connections to Al Qaeda. Time to send in the military and clean up those Islam ghettos that Police are too afraid to penetrate. I'm sorry for the innocent Muslims who will be swept up in this storm but European immigration IS OVER.

The media can no longer proclaim those marching against Islam as simply radicals, nazis, whatever BS. When and chances are sooner than later an event like this unfolds in Germany. We might see physical back lash. Enough time has passed since WW2, people are finished with hearing the same ole guilt tripped story.lol radical nazis.

[Infinite_limit]

lol radical nazis.
It's over. Unless you think 15+ years will pass without another incident?

We just saw Australia a couple weeks ago. Europeans that were too scared of judgement, now have a voice. Germany should start stocking up on one-way flights to Turkey.

[ChumpDumper]

It's over. Unless you think 15+ years will pass without another incident?two different things.


We just saw Australia a couple weeks ago. Europeans that were too scared of judgement, now have a voice. Germany should start stocking up on one-way flights to Turkey.Nothing like that will happen. You sure aren't going to do anything.

[Brazil]

The repercussions cannot be reversed.

Cat is out of bag. France was not doing their homework on terrorist links. Guy was on US no fly zone, served in prison for connections to Al Qaeda. Time to send in the military and clean up those Islam ghettos that Police are too afraid to penetrate. I'm sorry for the innocent Muslims who will be swept up in this storm but European immigration IS OVER.

The media can no longer proclaim those marching against Islam as simply radicals, nazis, whatever BS. When and chances are sooner than later an event like this unfolds in Germany. We might see physical back lash. Enough time has passed since WW2, people are finished with hearing the same ole guilt tripped story.

The repercussions will be much lower imo now they dead vs. having along fucking trial making the headlines for a year or two.

I believe French government did not want them alive. For the rest of your post shhhhhh

[cantthinkofanything]

The repercussions will be much lower imo now they dead vs. having along fucking trial making the headlines for a year or two.

I believe French government did not want them alive. For the rest of your post shhhhhh

It's not quite over is it? Have the found the girl? If that doesn't get handled properly, things could still get ugly.

[Infinite_limit]

The repercussions will be much lower imo now they dead vs. having along fucking trial making the headlines for a year or two.

I believe French government did not want them alive. For the rest of your post shhhhhh
The ball is in motion
1. France is embarrassed for not doing it's HW
2. France will implement more spying and searches
3. Muslims will be outraged at their freedoms being intruded on
4. More Muslim attacks
5. More European backlash

Immigration will never return to Pre 2010. Not in my childrens lifetime

[Brazil]

It's not quite over is it? Have the found the girl? If that doesn't get handled properly, things could still get ugly.

from what I read ya it's over.

Things will get ugly tbh... sometimes on dramatic events there are some silver linings in terms of getting people together when it's totally random like terrorist attacks of metro Saint Michel. In that case, it won't create solidarity and people getting together... French president is fucking weak, this will reinforce Front National, synagogues are already targets of vandalism, it's gonna increase hate between communities... It sucks major ass.

The fastest we forget the better

[Infinite_limit]

from what I read ya it's over.

Things will get ugly tbh... sometimes on dramatic events there are some silver linings in terms of getting people together when it's totally random like terrorist attacks of metro Saint Michel. In that case, it won't create solidarity and people getting together... French president is fucking weak, this will reinforce Front National, synagogues are already targets of vandalism, it's gonna increase hate between communities... It sucks major ass.

The fastest we forget the better
You obviously aren't native French with that talk. French Presidents statements after the attacks were perfect: these attacks challenged the principles of European society. This isn't some random attack based on the bitterness over War in the Middle East. This is squarely on the issue of what Europeans believe (liberty) and what Muslims do not (cartoons, alcohol, pork).

I've been told by friends that visited Paris recently that they felt they were on a vacation in the Middle East. That is BS. So why should things return to how they were? Why should we just forget it?

[Splits]

lol at all you fucks acting like Muslims as a whole are to blame. Here's a question for you: why is it that 10% of the French population is Muslim? It's the same reason most of North African Muslim countries speak fucking French (or have their countries renamed in French Côte d'Iv:lolire). You redneck dropouts can barely speak English, meanwhile the homeless guy in Casablanca is bi-lingual.

[Brazil]

You obviously aren't native French with that talk. French Presidents statements after the attacks were perfect: these attacks challenged the principles of European society. This isn't some random attack based on the bitterness over War in the Middle East. This is squarely on the issue of what Europeans believe (liberty) and what Muslims do not (cartoons, alcohol, pork).

I've been told by friends that visited Paris recently that they felt they were on a vacation in the Middle East. That is BS. So why should things return to how they were? Why should we just forget it?

Dude I don't believe in your white idealism, your bs mixing blood creates retards etc... I believe diversity is what makes a society strong.

Like everybody I wish things can improve and get better but I'm pessimist from my point of view, optimistic from yours I guess. I already read so much bullshit about what Charlie is or not. On the same #jenesuispascharlie you have islamists saying basically Charlie get what they deserved to have offended the prophet, on the other side of the spectrum you have white French leftards saying Charlie is an islamophobic, sexist, disrespectful publication...

So now we have FN happy, you have fuckers proning more political correctness, you have islamists applauding the attacks etc....

And to manage of this mess you have the weakest president of French history.... we fucked tbh

[pgardn]

The repercussions will be much lower imo now they dead vs. having along fucking trial making the headlines for a year or two.

h

Interesting point.

Take the TV cameras off the nutcase who runs onto the field.

[Infinite_limit]

Dude I don't believe in your white idealism, your bs mixing blood creates retards etc... I believe diversity is what makes a society strong.

Like everybody I wish things can improve and get better but I'm pessimist from my point of view, optimistic from yours I guess. I already read so much bullshit about what Charlie is or not. On the same #jenesuispascharlie you have islamists saying basically Charlie get what they deserved to have offended the prophet, on the other side of the spectrum you have white French leftards saying Charlie is an islamophobic, sexist, disrespectful publication...

So now we have FN happy, you have fuckers proning more political correctness, you have islamists applauding the attacks etc....

And to manage of this mess you have the weakest president of French history.... we fucked tbh
What makes him so weak? Do you want him to preach some multiculturalism BS?

I agree diversity is good but it needs to be controlled. Meaning the same point system Japan uses based on your education and technical skills. If you are non-European, you must be highly skilled. I'm not advocating completely open immigration between Europeans either. But if a candidate from Europe is equal to a non-European or even slightly worse, then the fellow European should be given precedent.

In todays age we have internet, travel is easy and relatively cheap. Accepting or even having diversity doesn't mean your neighbor needs to be of a different culture. But let's be honest, we know what the main issue with Muslims is: not wanting to assimilate. They take over neighborhoods: only shop in Muslim stores, eat in Muslim restaurants and socialize in Muslim spots. Which drives out every other business but their own.

My mother asked: if France knew they had ties to extremist groups then why didn't they kick them out? I said Europe is too soft and America shoulders blame for being too cruel.

Brazil, I know you'd love to have things return to how they were because you evidently were happy and didn't see any issues. But you must recognize that a growing number of French were not. And based on European election results, the number of those unhappy was quite significant.

[RandomGuy]

http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2012/09/charlie-hebdo-cover1.jpeg

[RandomGuy]

The ball is in motion
1. France is embarrassed for not doing it's HW
2. France will implement more spying and searches
3. Muslims will be outraged at their freedoms being intruded on
4. More Muslim attacks
5. More European backlash

Immigration will never return to Pre 2010. Not in my childrens lifetime

I would agree. ... and Europe will slowly implode over the next century.

White skinned humans will, over a long period of time simply be a temporary mutation in a small sub-group.

Simple demographics. The next century after I die will be an African one.

[RandomGuy]

http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/ibsfGOMSzfomrD.jpg

[RandomGuy]

lol radical nazis.

Speaking of nazis....

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/2/9/129102510241037095.jpg

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/sb8kv7/inglourious-burgers

Can't make that shit up. Wrestling with aurochs... (shakes head)

[HI-FI]

I think you should have Omar jizz in your wife/girlfriends pussy imo tbh
:lol

and sadly most of the population will be satisfied too. meanwhile the real killers are exchanging texts with the oilcos and banksters that bankroll Obama and Hollandaise.
Good point ma nig. I never know if there is something more diabolical going on or if it's some Muslims acting like Koranimals. Same goes for shit in this country, is it legit or false flag. In the end you should always follow the money. Unfortunately those in the media rarely do.

[xeromass]

French clearly believe in power of numbers. They mobilized 88k law enforcement members for the operation. Mind-numbing number.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6115CWIEAE6wMK.png


GIGN in suburb:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS57T5A0CIE

more photos:

https://twitter.com/Gendarmerie

Looking at them - they had fire hose ready to go.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B68UsV1IUAEzxEs.jpg


Frontal view of kosher deli:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=869_1420833044

Don't know what happened. At 0:40 flash bang goes off and terror dude just throws himself through the doors to be gunned down. AK over the shoulder and all. Intentional martyring or complete disorientation?


It all looks quite chaotic yet they managed to save everybody that could be saved. All 3 or 4 in store were killed during initial takeover.

[Infinite_limit]

I would agree. ... and Europe will slowly implode over the next century.

White skinned humans will, over a long period of time simply be a temporary mutation in a small sub-group.

Simple demographics. The next century after I die will be an African one.
End game is extinction of Whites and Blacks

[Winehole23]

Take the TV cameras off the nutcase who runs onto the field.When three TV networks were the gatekeepers, this was possible.

With 24/7 cable news and global electronic connectivity, it's no longer possible.

[Splits]

https://prod01-cdn03.cdn.firstlook.org/wp-uploads/sites/1/2015/01/obama.gif

[pgardn]

When three TV networks were the gatekeepers, this was possible.

With 24/7 cable news and global electronic connectivity, it's no longer possible.

Bad analogy on my part.

No trial means less of a spectacle.

[lefty]

What makes him so weak? Do you want him to preach some multiculturalism BS?

I agree diversity is good but it needs to be controlled. Meaning the same point system Japan uses based on your education and technical skills. If you are non-European, you must be highly skilled. I'm not advocating completely open immigration between Europeans either. But if a candidate from Europe is equal to a non-European or even slightly worse, then the fellow European should be given precedent.

In todays age we have internet, travel is easy and relatively cheap. Accepting or even having diversity doesn't mean your neighbor needs to be of a different culture. But let's be honest, we know what the main issue with Muslims is: not wanting to assimilate. They take over neighborhoods: only shop in Muslim stores, eat in Muslim restaurants and socialize in Muslim spots. Which drives out every other business but their own.

My mother asked: if France knew they had ties to extremist groups then why didn't they kick them out? I said Europe is too soft and America shoulders blame for being too cruel.

Brazil, I know you'd love to have things return to how they were because you evidently were happy and didn't see any issues. But you must recognize that a growing number of French were not. And based on European election results, the number of those unhappy was quite significant.
ypu should travel more often tbh

[boutons_deux]

"the main issue with Muslims is: not wanting to assimilate. They take over neighborhoods: only shop in Muslim stores, eat in Muslim restaurants and socialize in Muslim spots. Which drives out every other business but their own."

... exactly the same happens with East and South Asians, blacks, Hispanics, Jews, LGBT. Those groups and Muslims also get abused with racism from whites. And that racism gives those groups motivation to stay within their own group.