BREAKING: Patriots Found Guilty For Deflating Balls

[spurraider21]

That hard count shit is disgusting. It's akin to that idiot in NC, Dean Smith running that 4 corner offense. It nearly ruined the game.

Christ, just take yearn & try and beat theren. If it don't work out, shut your fuckin' mouth and try again.
That's just 5 talkin.

[LkrFan]

Until they definitively say the Patriots are responsible and knowingly broke the rules, you're all talking out your asses. That's it and that's all.

I don't see the big deal tbh. Your mom deflates my balls every night. You don't see me complaining. :lol

[King Emmanuel]

man the patriots are not a classy organization

[pgardn]

The eligible/ineligible receiver stuff was quite entertaining if you don't have a stake in the game.
I don't think the announcers caught it on the tube. It came out after the game and Harbaugh explained.
They fooled a whole bunch of folks.

Baltimore was running the ball down NE throats. Then, NE had a receiver wide open almost every play and I had no idea what the hell was going on. Makes for good viewing, but it's clearly taking advantage of a flaw in eligibility and the reporting of such.

[Clipper Nation]

All of it is pussy-chickenshit business plan. Right down to their dependence on the hard count shit. They practice that gd protocol. And it's not to garner the 5 yard penalty. No, not at all. It's sole goal is to afford Brady to drop back in a (no lose situation). This way he can pass without risk, none, no risk. It's so pussy that it should turn the stomach of any decent man. Makes perfect sense that a man, BB, an organization that would condone this shit would foster an atmosphere where other corruption is produced:::secretly tapes his opponents final walk thru so there is no risk, there is no worry, or, rumination...now this ball cheat.

And all the shit this motherfucker and his organization have done that hasn't been revealed or ferreted out.

Dale

[Raven]

The eligible/ineligible receiver stuff was quite entertaining if you don't have a stake in the game.
I don't think the announcers caught it on the tube. It came out after the game and Harbaugh explained.
They fooled a whole bunch of folks.

Baltimore was running the ball down NE throats. Then, NE had a receiver wide open almost every play and I had no idea what the hell was going on. Makes for good viewing, but it's clearly taking advantage of a flaw in eligibility and the reporting of such.

i don't see how is that a flaw, i mean, if you can't guard a left tackle than who can help you tbh

[pgardn]

i don't see how is that a flaw, i mean, if you can't guard a left tackle than who can help you tbh

Well when you don't know he is eligible that is difficult.

Why did the refs finally give the Ravens time to figure it out by holding the ball?
They did not have to do that.

Answer: they realized the other team did not have the time to take down numbers. Nothing in the rule book about that, but the refs adjusted. And you will see this taken care of next year. With rules. Props to the Patriots for forcing the NFL to deal with it.

Now the balls, this will be interesting. The NFL will probably end up keeping the balls to be used the entire game. No team game ball guys a possibility.

Hell while we are at it why don't we just let offensive lineman wear any number they want?
Do you realize the first digits of offensive linemen are restricted as well as other positions? Why is this so you think?

[Thread]

The eligible/ineligible receiver stuff was quite entertaining if you don't have a stake in the game.
I don't think the announcers caught it on the tube. It came out after the game and Harbaugh explained.
They fooled a whole bunch of folks.

Baltimore was running the ball down NE throats. Then, NE had a receiver wide open almost every play and I had no idea what the hell was going on. Makes for good viewing, but it's clearly taking advantage of a flaw in eligibility and the reporting of such.

It's beneath any thinking man, any decent man.

Only pussies, chickenshits, & children would abide it.

[monosylab1k]

It's beneath any thinking man, any decent man.

Only pussies, chickenshits, & children would abide it.

You're talking out of your ass.

[Thread]

You're talking out of your ass.

It's fear based, a children's response to a difficult puzzle. Fight or flight. A man stays and fights, then stands and takes the result. A pussy, a chickenshit takes flight (hard counts, eavesdropping, manipulation of game hardware, exotic alignments to deceive before a snap, picks) so he does not have to stand the gaffe.

It's the worst of man.

[monosylab1k]

It's fear based, a children's response to a difficult puzzle. Fight or flight. A man stays and fights, then stands and takes the result. A pussy, a chickenshit takes flight (hard counts, eavesdropping, manipulation of game hardware, exotic alignments to deceive before a snap, picks) so he does not have to stand the gaffe.

It's the worst of man.
You're talking out of your ass.

[Clipper Nation]

It's fear based, a children's response to a difficult puzzle. Fight or flight. A man stays and fights, then stands and takes the result. A pussy, a chickenshit takes flight (hard counts, eavesdropping, manipulation of game hardware, exotic alignments to deceive before a snap, picks) so he does not have to stand the gaffe.

It's the worst of man.
Dale

[Thread]

You're talking out of your ass.

No one wants to lose, mono. Nobody. There used to be honor to it. Yeah, can you imagine that? But, Media ground that honor down to a minute nub, made it so repugnant that the last two generations cannot do it. So they bitch, litigate, cheat, do mayhem, denial, bumper sticker it, legislate it.

How they can do thus and perhaps then to ring and find joy there is way beyond me.

[Spur-Addict]

First time I've agreed with Dale, the sky is falling.

[pgardn]

It's fear based, a children's response to a difficult puzzle. Fight or flight. A man stays and fights, then stands and takes the result. A pussy, a chickenshit takes flight (hard counts, eavesdropping, manipulation of game hardware, exotic alignments to deceive before a snap, picks) so he does not have to stand the gaffe.

It's the worst of man.

I'm actually beginning to find some integrity in Lkrfn (or kobe fan) posts.
Two posts I find a bit of admiration for the thought.
Im going soft...

[Clipper Nation]

No one wants to lose, mono. Nobody. There used to be honor to it. Yeah, can you imagine that? But, Media ground that honor down to a minute nub, made it so repugnant that the last two generations cannot do it. So they bitch, litigate, cheat, do mayhem, denial, bumper sticker it, legislate it.

How they can do thus and perhaps then to ring and find joy there is way beyond me.


Dale

[HI-FI]

some really good takes by Thread (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320). His movie and political takes are usually spot on as well, it's just the basketball trolling that ends up pissing me off.:lol


also, the media day could end up being legendary. might deserve it's own thread.

[elmanutres]

All of it is pussy-chickenshit business plan. Right down to their dependence on the hard count shit. They practice that gd protocol. And it's not to garner the 5 yard penalty. No, not at all. It's sole goal is to afford Brady to drop back in a (no lose situation). This way he can pass without risk, none, no risk. It's so pussy that it should turn the stomach of any decent man. Makes perfect sense that a man, BB, an organization that would condone this shit would foster an atmosphere where other corruption is produced:::secretly tapes his opponents final walk thru so there is no risk, there is no worry, or, rumination...now this ball cheat.

And all the shit this motherfucker and his organization have done that hasn't been revealed or ferreted out.

Dale

[monosylab1k]

No one wants to lose, mono. Nobody. There used to be honor to it. Yeah, can you imagine that? But, Media ground that honor down to a minute nub, made it so repugnant that the last two generations cannot do it. So they bitch, litigate, cheat, do mayhem, denial, bumper sticker it, legislate it.

How they can do thus and perhaps then to ring and find joy there is way beyond me.
Bullshit, old man. Your generation took greenies and slathered on stickum like it was going out of style. Your generation started all this. You're responsible. Own up to it.

[Silver&Black]

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[Thread]

Bullshit, old man. Your generation took greenies and slathered on stickum like it was going out of style. Your generation started all this. You're responsible. Own up to it.

WTF do you think encompasses "the last two generations" I referenced? I make no apologies for my generation, nor the one after. I'm painted with the same brush of shit that you are.

[Arcadian]

:lol

[pgardn]

some really good takes by Thread (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320). His movie and political takes are usually spot on as well, it's just the basketball trolling that ends up pissing me off.:lol


also, the media day could end up being legendary. might deserve it's own thread.

All I have ever seen is the trend setting stuff.
I like the substance.
I will pay more attention to the non Laker stuff.

[djohn2oo8]

Bellicheck just threw Brady under the bus :lol

[monosylab1k]

Bellicheck just threw Brady under the bus :lol

I think Bill just knows that unless the NFL has video evidence or an eyewitness to The Deflating, then they don't have shit and he can deny away. Sure Brady will say the same thing. Ball boys will be paid off and nothing will come of this. If they were caught red-handed, Bill at least would have given some limpdicked "we misinterpreted the rule" bullshit. Such a strong denial makes me think he knows the investigation doesn't have any solid evidence.

Or maybe he's doubling down since he knows he's fucked, just trying to delay things till after the SB, then give everyone the finger as he rides off into retirement. We'll see.

[unleashbaynes]

All of it is pussy-chickenshit business plan. Right down to their dependence on the hard count shit. They practice that gd protocol. And it's not to garner the 5 yard penalty. No, not at all. It's sole goal is to afford Brady to drop back in a (no lose situation). This way he can pass without risk, none, no risk. It's so pussy that it should turn the stomach of any decent man. Makes perfect sense that a man, BB, an organization that would condone this shit would foster an atmosphere where other corruption is produced:::secretly tapes his opponents final walk thru so there is no risk, there is no worry, or, rumination...now this ball cheat.

And all the shit this motherfucker and his organization have done that hasn't been revealed or ferreted out.

:lmao everyone resorting to sucking off this shit take because of their Patriots hatred


You're an Alabama fan. You cheat worse in college sports than anyone does in the pros. What's worse is that is that everyone is bitching about a ball being underinflated by 2psi(psi and pounds are not the same thing btw, you fucking retards) but nobody wants to call out rampant PED use besides my boy Fran Tarkenton. Ya'll are some faggots. Wanna complain about something serious? Go right on ahead. But to say that something like this is a serious issue, even more serious than rampant PED use, is straight up little girl shit.


PEDs make you bigger and faster and stronger than your opponent. PEDs cut down your recovery time from workouts and getting beat up in practice/games. THAT'S cheating.

[Clipper Nation]

Bellicheck just threw Brady under the bus :lol
:lol Seriously, that faggot is so pathetic. Anyone who believes Belichick didn't know what was going on is too stupid to breed.

If I'm Brady, I'm fucking pissed right now. He took a paycut last year for an organization that throws him under the bus at the first sign of trouble to save their own asses.

[cantthinkofanything]

Shit. Why'd you let Avante get ahold of your account?

translation...sure...there are lots of black wide receivers...let's just say they're faster can't we...at least there aren't any black punters...

you sure about that...

we have...
Reggie Roby - yep...Oakland Raider great...could kick the pigskin so high that many times, the receiving team, would think he hadn't even punted it
Marquette King - another Raider guys...only current black punter in the league...
Rod Williams...played for Football Giants...had such a long hang time that the broadcast often cut away to commercial before the ball was received

[Spur-Addict]

:lol Seriously, that faggot is so pathetic. Anyone who believes Belichick didn't know what was going on is too stupid to breed.

If I'm Brady, I'm fucking pissed right now. He took a paycut last year for an organization that throws him under the bus at the first sign of trouble to save their own asses.

Not really, because they already had meetings about this, and he knew exactly what was going to be said by Bill. And everything Tom is going to say, is already known by the organization. Everything is scripted, and no crack will be exposed (if there is in fact a crack to be exposed). What's really interesting is what the league will do as so many balls were under inflated. If they have any right whatsoever to make a move based on that alone, and if not, how will they explain (or not explain) why action cannot or will not be taken. It's not as if one or two of the lot were under inflated, damn near all of them were.

If they do take action, I hope none of said action has any affect on the S.B though.

[spurraider21]

I think Bill just knows that unless the NFL has video evidence or an eyewitness to The Deflating, then they don't have shit and he can deny away. Sure Brady will say the same thing. Ball boys will be paid off and nothing will come of this. If they were caught red-handed, Bill at least would have given some limpdicked "we misinterpreted the rule" bullshit. Such a strong denial makes me think he knows the investigation doesn't have any solid evidence.

Or maybe he's doubling down since he knows he's fucked, just trying to delay things till after the SB, then give everyone the finger as he rides off into retirement. We'll see.
You're talking out of your ass.

[Spur-Addict]

What's odd about Beli's statement, is that he's VERY involved in the balls that are used in practice. But when it's game time, all of a sudden he has no knowledge of anything as it pertains to the balls and the regulations of said balls. A man that goes out of his way to tinker with just about everything to get an advantage, formations etc. I just think that's hilarious. A man as meticulous, intelligent, and with strong foresight can't expect anyone to actually believe this.

[SupremeGuy]

You're talking out of your ass.:lol

[SupremeGuy]

What's odd about Beli's statement, is that he's VERY involved in the balls that are used in practice. But when it's game time, all of a sudden he has no knowledge of anything as it pertains to the balls and the regulations of said balls. A man that goes out of his way to tinker with just about everything to get an advantage, formations etc. I just think that's hilarious. A man as meticulous, intelligent, and with strong foresight can't expect anyone to actually believe this.Just look at this thread, there's a couple of posters that refuse to believe that tom, belicheat, or the patriots knew anything about it. They don't only think people will eat their bullshit, they know they will. One extra-large spoonful at a time, tbh.

[Spur-Addict]

Just look at this thread, there's a couple of posters that refuse to believe that tom, belicheat, or the patriots knew anything about it. They don't only think people will eat their bullshit, they know they will. One extra-large spoonful at a time, tbh.

Well, I don't think Pats fans actually care deep down inside about believing the shit the organizations spews, all they care about is winning by any means. They'd rather win with controversy, as opposed to losing without it. And when they achieve that, they basically say, "kiss my ass", look at the "W", "you're just whining, you're at hater" etc. As far as others eating the organizations bullshit, it's not so much other people eating their bullshit, it's the just the powers that be. If the powers that be accept it, or let them off with a slap-on-the-wrist, they know eventually it'll go away, and most of the "middle of the road" people that complain, will eventually fade away and focus back on their team. Only those who have a strong opinionated stance on the situation, and/or those victimized by what actually occurs will remain with a hard stance on the matter(s).

[Thread]

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[Brazil]

I'm not sure to understand what's the big deal tbh.... I don't how this 2 could have effect on outcomes of games... sure it helps to gette better grip but not significant enough imo to have a significant influence on how many TOs a team can have tbh...

Then if referees do the checking all the time, why in hell they catched only that in this game ? why Pats did not do that against the Ravens ?

[Brazil]

^I should correct all the english BS of this post but too lazy

[Spur-Addict]

I'm not sure to understand what's the big deal tbh.... I don't how this 2 could have effect on outcomes of games... sure it helps to gette better grip but not significant enough imo to have a significant influence on how many TOs a team can have tbh...

Then if referees do the checking all the time, why in hell they catched only that in this game ? why Pats did not do that against the Ravens ?

You're assuming they did not, or possibly that they have not in other games. This isn't exactly something you experiment with in an AFC Championship game, or playoff game in general.

The big deal is that the league wants all teams to abide by certain guidelines that way no one gets a competitive advantage. No matter how small you may perceive it to be.

[Thread]

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[monosylab1k]

You're talking out of your ass.

:lmao don't even know how to use it right.

[NFO]

The deflated balls had little effect on the AFC title game as the error was corrected at halftime.

The problem is if the Pats are breaking the rules here, they are likely breaking the rules elsewhere to try and gain an advantage. Shcoking Bill Bellicheat will deny any knowledge of that despite the fact that he is probably the most detail oreinted coach in the league.

The deflated ball issue was a minute advantage, but it was an advantage against the rules. They should be punished, which will probably result in lost draft picks in a fine, which the minds of the Pats the reward was greater than the risk.

[Thread]

It is on the same scale as Nixon in '72 when all he had to do was remain alive and he would have run the table on McGovern-less the District of Columbia. He could not resist, could not keep his hands off it & changed the political dynamic of the country till this very day.

[Clipper Nation]

Sean Payton claims he didn't know anything about Bountygate = Goodell says "ignorance is not an excuse," suspends him for a year.

Belichick (a repeat offender) claims he didn't know anything about Deflategate = Goodell says nothing, will slap him on the wrist.

[djohn2oo8]

Brady sounds nervous lol

[djohn2oo8]

This is cringeworthy

[The Gemini Method]

Again, food for thought--New England only lost like 1 or 2 fumbles throughout the whole season. One position that will ultimately benefit from underinflated footballs is the RB position. This will probably not amount to anything but you can't ignore the willingness of the Patriots to obtain any additional aid and blur the line of cheating has made since Belicheck came on board.

[Blake]

Have they found evidence yet that the Pats purposely deflated the balls or is it still hearsay and conjecture?

[monosylab1k]

Again, food for thought--New England only lost like 1 or 2 fumbles throughout the whole season. One position that will ultimately benefit from underinflated footballs is the RB position. This will probably not amount to anything but you can't ignore the willingness of the Patriots to obtain any additional aid and blur the line of cheating has made since Belicheck came on board.

Or maybe because the one guy who accounts for almost all their fumbles went on IR pretty early in the season.

[DarrinS]

Pats need to find an uncalibrated pump, quick.

[monosylab1k]

Have they found evidence yet that the Pats purposely deflated the balls or is it still hearsay and conjecture?

Probably will be impossible to get damning evidence without either video footage of somebody caught in the act, or a current or former employee going Mangini on them.

[Blake]

Probably will be impossible to get damning evidence without either video footage of somebody caught in the act, or a current or former employee going Mangini on them.

pretty much.

I don't see any way they can punish the Pats

[spurraider21]

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[NFO]

pretty much.

I don't see any way they can punish the Pats

Well at least not severely. I mean the league gives them 12 balls. One would think the league had them up to spec and by half time 11 of 12 are 16% below spec.

But unless there is solid evidence (or someone confesses, doubt that) no major punishment will be doled out.

[jeebus]

lol 4 pages of this shit.

[Big Empty]

Tom Deflady

[Thread]

pretty much.

I don't see any way they can punish the Pats

Exactly, it's not like they'd go into his home and tap his phone.

[Brazil]

You're assuming they did not, or possibly that they have not in other games. This isn't exactly something you experiment with in an AFC Championship game, or playoff game in general.

The big deal is that the league wants all teams to abide by certain guidelines that way no one gets a competitive advantage. No matter how small you may perceive it to be.

That's exactly my point... If they did it against Colts there is no reason to assume they did not do it during RS and against Ravens. I understand checking the football weight is a normal procedure, why this procedure never showed anything irregular... does not make a lot of sense for me

I understand league wants all teams respect certain guidelines and a competitive advantage is a competitive advantage even very small... now for me reaction is not proportional. It seems it's the watergate or something... I don't see this deflating balls making such a difference in the long run... the % is not that significant

[pgardn]

Until they definitively say the Patriots are responsible and knowingly broke the rules, you're all talking out your asses. That's it and that's all.

"I was very shocked to hear it, so I almost laughed it off thinking that was more sour grapes than anything," he said. "And it ends up being a very serious thing when you start learning the things that were ... just the integrity of the game."

Tom is now taking this seriously.
Ya see he kinda gets it, that balls just don't deflate magically, btw it is reported by some its 12 out of 12.
Now its total denial mode. And most likely remains that way. But of course it was no big deal as these things just sorta happen. Just a random occurrence. So Mr. Talking out of his ass says nothing to see here.
This is entertaining.

[Spur-Addict]

That's exactly my point... If they did it against Colts there is no reason to assume they did not do it during RS and against Ravens. I understand checking the football weight is a normal procedure, why this procedure never showed anything irregular... does not make a lot of sense for me

I understand league wants all teams respect certain guidelines and a competitive advantage is a competitive advantage even very small... now for me reaction is not proportional. It seems it's the watergate or something... I don't see this deflating balls making such a difference in the long run... the % is not that significant

It's more about the breaking of the rule, as opposed to the perception of the significance of the rule. It's in place for a reason, and everyone has to abide by it. Otherwise a competitive advantage occurs, no matter how small it is perceived to be. It is an advantage nonetheless. But I get where you're coming from.

[DarrinS]

Dear Patriots,

You are a model franchise. Please stop shitting on your own legacy.

[pgardn]

It will be almost impossible to prove anything.
Unless the NFL has got a guy that has it all and is just allowing various Patriots to go before the public and fry themselves.
And that, I would not put that past the NFL.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Just saw some clips from that Brady presser.... holy shit, he is a terrible liar. That ISIS "joke" was especially uncomfortable.

His legacy just went down in flames, tbh. This is Rafael Palmeiro's "I have never used steroids, period" all over again.

[Clipper Nation]

"I was very shocked to hear it, so I almost laughed it off thinking that was more sour grapes than anything," he said. "And it ends up being a very serious thing when you start learning the things that were ... just the integrity of the game."
Maybe Brady should "study the rulebook."

[Clipper Nation]

Or maybe because the one guy who accounts for almost all their fumbles went on IR pretty early in the season.
Brady begged for the rule about game balls to be changed in 2006. Since then, the Patriots have been top 5 in least team fumbles per game in all but one season. You look at guys like BenJarvus Green-Ellis who pretty much never fumbled in a Patriots uniform, then somehow became a fumble machine with the Bengals, and it doesn't add up. Statistically, the Patriots' avoidance of fumbles from 2010-present is so close to impossible that it's suspicious:

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In other words, you're talking out of your ass.

[HI-FI]

Again, food for thought--New England only lost like 1 or 2 fumbles throughout the whole season. One position that will ultimately benefit from underinflated footballs is the RB position. This will probably not amount to anything but you can't ignore the willingness of the Patriots to obtain any additional aid and blur the line of cheating has made since Belicheck came on board.
patriots have been one of the best teams at not turning it over pretty much throughout Belichick's reign. if you watch some of the videos on ESPN with Bettis or Brunell, they're talking about how lower pressure gives the QB more grip and velocity, makes it harder to fumble etc...Supposedly it's worse for the long ball but most of NE's passing is built on the dink and dunk.

I obviously always felt they've been cheating the whole time, Belichick does anything for an advantage and can lie with the best of them. Still, Goodell is Kraft's butt buddy and the main reason he got the gig, so I doubt we'll see anything harsh unless the other owners want it done. We'll see.

I just wonder how long have they been doing it and how the refs never noticed it.

[HI-FI]

I also saw some of the Brady presser and it's weird but I felt bad for the guy, and I might be the biggest Brady hater on here :lol. While I like seeing Brady get exposed and not be so overrated, I still feel bad for anyone getting dogpiled on or thrown under the bus, especially when I still believe Belichick is behind it.

Still, I'll laugh so hard off Goodell "discovers" a ballboy who admits to deflating the balls because he overheard that's how Brady likes them.

[Chris]

Brunell goes HAM
Xb5x0pfE6uY

[lefty]

:lol they mad


Phaggots

[Spur-Addict]

Brunell goes HAM
Xb5x0pfE6uY

Finally, straight honest analysis.

[lefty]

Finally, straight honest analysis.
:lol Searefs

[Spur-Addict]

:lol Searefs

:depressed Lefty come on man....

[lefty]

:depressed Lefty come on man....
The whole NFL is rigged anyway



:lol all the teams are cheating

[Blake]

Well at least not severely. I mean the league gives them 12 balls. One would think the league had them up to spec and by half time 11 of 12 are 16% below spec.

But unless there is solid evidence (or someone confesses, doubt that) no major punishment will be doled out.

I don't see how any punishment at all gets doled out until evidence is found.

like I said earlier, for all we know, a ref had money on the Pats and did the deflating himself.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Brady was 9-9 in the 2nd half when the balls were inflated.

[spurraider21]

^:rolleyes

still missing the point

[Thebesteva]

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:lol

[Raven]

are searefs aka seadderal aka fake seanoise fans really calling other people cheaters? :lol

[Floyd Pacquiao]

^:rolleyes

still missing the point
I haven't read more than 1 post in this thread nor do I plan too. fyi

[HI-FI]

Brady was 9-9 in the 2nd half when the balls were inflated.
this is the more damaging stuff.
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2015-01/22/15/enhanced/webdr07/enhanced-28520-1421958845-26.png
guess who is the outlier at 187 plays before a fumble occurs? Goodell doesn't really give a shit though, since he was notified by either the Colts or Ravens in November when they had enough and he still didn't do shit. like the Ray Rice situation, it's blowing up in his face.

[spurraider21]

I haven't read more than 1 post in this thread nor do I plan too. fyi
nobody is claiming the Patriots beat the Colts because of the air pressure of the balls. the result of the game is irrelevant

[spurraider21]

are searefs aka seadderal aka fake seanoise fans really calling other people cheaters? :lol
when was the last time you went to an NFL game where there was no crowd noise coming from speakers?

[Silver&Black]

when was the last time you went to an NFL game where there was no crows noise coming from speakers?

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[Raven]

when was the last time you went to an NFL game where there was no crowd noise coming from speakers?

honestly, i don't give a shit, as i don't give a shit about "deflating football" either.. it's just funny how the team that cheats the most and in a way that is undeniably cheating, has suddenly become so into ethics.. For god's sake, you guys root for a team that lies about talking shit :lol how pathetic is that :lol

[spurraider21]

honestly, i don't give a shit, as i don't give a shit about "deflating football" either.. it's just funny how the team that cheats the most and in a way that is undeniably cheating, has suddenly become so into ethics.. For god's sake, you guys root for a team that lies about talking shit :lol how pathetic is that :lol
meh, i root for the raiders, but since they're terrible i hitch my wagon to Wilson. sorta like DD has his Bills but then cheers on Flacco

[Raven]

meh, i root for the raiders, but since they're terrible i hitch my wagon to Wilson. sorta like DD has his Bills but then cheers on Flacco

so you wagon a team that does all of the aforementioned stuff and yet feel entitled to talk about ethics, not to mention, you're still bitter about a decision in a game that was done by referees not by the pats, a decade ago..

[spurraider21]

so you wagon a team that does all of the aforementioned stuff and yet feel entitled to talk about ethics, not to mention, you're still bitter about a decision in a game that was done by referees not by the pats, a decade ago..
"all of the aforementioned stuff"

they had players using banned shit and they got suspended for it. they play physical defense and they're the most penalized team in the NFL. people here whine about ":cry fake crowd noise :cry" when that's something literally every sports arena does :lol. they don't video tape other teams warmups or tamper with game equipment. apparently the pats do

and again, if the pats are going to be a team that tests the boundaries of the rules, thats fine. but the fans should at least acknowledge it :lol. as i said before, the raiders of the 70's were probably the dirtiest, cheapest, and most cheating-prone teams in NFL history. any raider fan will tell you the same. hell, in their locker room they had a banner that said "cheating is encouraged." but for better or worse, that's the reputation the 70's raiders have to this day, and the raiders still get the "dirty" label partly because of it.

my issue is patfans can't even accept that their team pushes the boundaries and try to deflect all these stories as "haterade" or "jealousy"

[monosylab1k]

they don't video tape other teams warmups....... apparently the pats do

You're talking out of your ass.

[Raven]

"all of the aforementioned stuff"

they had players using banned shit and they got suspended for it. they play physical defense and they're the most penalized team in the NFL. people here whine about ":cry fake crowd noise :cry" when that's something literally every sports arena does :lol. they don't video tape other teams warmups or tamper with game equipment. apparently the pats do

and again, if the pats are going to be a team that tests the boundaries of the rules, thats fine. but the fans should at least acknowledge it :lol. as i said before, the raiders of the 70's were probably the dirtiest, cheapest, and most cheating-prone teams in NFL history. any raider fan will tell you the same. hell, in their locker room they had a banner that said "cheating is encouraged." but for better or worse, that's the reputation the 70's raiders have to this day, and the raiders still get the "dirty" label partly because of it.

my issue is patfans can't even accept that their team pushes the boundaries and try to deflect all these stories as "haterade" or "jealousy"

what do you mean? :lol BB has been trying to outsmart the opponent ever since he came in the league, that's what he was always about, pushing right on the boundary of rules is what makes him unpredictable and great, what do you think the lt catching a td and a midget wr throwing one is if not playing right on the border of rules? Taking a chance on high risk stuff has always been the pats way, sometimes it goes wrong like when they got a penalty against the colts because of the oline being eligible, sometimes they don't. That's not cheating. And people wine about the fake crowd noise not because it creates advantage, but because you always hear about how great the adderal crowd is.

[Fabbs]

when was the last time you went to an NFL game where there was no crowd noise coming from speakers?
Sunday October 12th, Raiders at Chargers.

[lefty]

are searefs aka seadderal aka fake seanoise fans really calling other people cheaters? :lol
:lol

[lefty]

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[unleashbaynes]

"all of the aforementioned stuff"

they had players using banned shit and they got suspended for it. they play physical defense and they're the most penalized team in the NFL. people here whine about ":cry fake crowd noise :cry" when that's something literally every sports arena does :lol. they don't video tape other teams warmups or tamper with game equipment. apparently the pats do

and again, if the pats are going to be a team that tests the boundaries of the rules, thats fine. but the fans should at least acknowledge it :lol. as i said before, the raiders of the 70's were probably the dirtiest, cheapest, and most cheating-prone teams in NFL history. any raider fan will tell you the same. hell, in their locker room they had a banner that said "cheating is encouraged." but for better or worse, that's the reputation the 70's raiders have to this day, and the raiders still get the "dirty" label partly because of it.

my issue is patfans can't even accept that their team pushes the boundaries and try to deflect all these stories as "haterade" or "jealousy"
You're taking a ball that is underinflated by 2 psi, and making a big deal out of it, ignoring the fact that the Seahawks have multiple proven PED users. You're about as big if a hater as there is.

[spurraider21]

Sunday October 12th, Raiders at Chargers.
qualcomm pumps noise too. if you're going to try to bullshit a random stadium, at least make it one i dont attend annually

[spurraider21]

You're taking a ball that is underinflated by 2 psi, and making a big deal out of it, ignoring the fact that the Seahawks have multiple proven PED users. You're about as big if a hater as there is.
when did i ignore it? i specifically mentioned it. seahawks players cheated, they got busted, and they paid their dues for it. if the pats are found to be guilty here, they should pay their dues too.

[Blake]

Sunday October 12th, Raiders at Chargers.

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[pgardn]

You're taking a ball that is underinflated by 2 psi, and making a big deal out of it, ignoring the fact that the Seahawks have multiple proven PED users. You're about as big if a hater as there is.

You still don't get it.
PED users are punished. It's a far worse infraction.

This is what makes this ball deflation so rich with paranoia. The Patriots are so damn good they don't need to do anything to balls. Richard Nixon was going to crush George McGovern in an election, yet he still risked cheating. That's reaching a sick level.

Yea, when I play my 3 year old daughter in chess, I remove her queen while she ain't lookin, just to assure I am victorious.

Its Frkn hilarious in a sick way. Now they are all abodoning ship like rats.
BB, ask Tom
Tom, ask the equipment manager.

And Brady claiming he asks for exactly a certain legal pressure and then tells the world he could not tell. Yet the refs and other players found the pressure odd? Seriously? The Patriots are a great, prepared team that absolutely laid an egg. And it's not going away. And over something so minor that was totally unnecessary.

Its very amusing while stinking at the same time.

[Spur-Addict]

when did i ignore it? i specifically mentioned it. seahawks players cheated, they got busted, and they paid their dues for it. if the pats are found to be guilty here, they should pay their dues too.

It's hard for people to own up to their shit. Browner (Now starting for the Pats ironically :lol), Thurmond, John Moffitt, Allen Barbre, and even Bruce Irvin all tested positive. Sherman won his appeal like a boss. But only one of those guys that tested positive (Irvin) is still on the team and we haven't had an incident in quite a long time. But we own up to it. All the nonsense about the crowd noise is just absurd, our crowd is just better than most, and the stadium design is superior. Problem is, N.E wants to have that clean cut image and still be dirty. Doesn't work that way :lol

[Fabbs]

qualcomm pumps noise too.
nope

[unleashbaynes]

all im sayin is other sports take PEDs more seriously. A-roid got banned for a year because of it. In the NFL it's treated as not as big of a deal. but then yall wanna talk about football pressures :lol

[unleashbaynes]

Having an underinflated football for one game(and you cant even prove that the team did it intentionally) = PED use :lol

[Spur-Addict]

I can understand why people want to Red Herring the shit out of this situation. "Everybody is dirty", blah-blah-blah. Still doesn't excuse everything you've done and continue to do. But yet that's what you're trying to do here. As SR21 says, own it, just own it :lol. Tommy and Billy have to be good little boys and take their medicine like everybody else

[Spur-Addict]

Having an underinflated football for one game(and you cant even prove that the team did it intentionally) = PED use :lol

I'm not saying that, maybe someone else is.

[Clipper Nation]

You're taking a ball that is underinflated by 2 psi, and making a big deal out of it, ignoring the fact that the Seahawks have multiple proven PED users. You're about as big if a hater as there is.
Last I checked, Brandon Brownerall plays for the Patriots now :lol

[Clipper Nation]

qualcomm pumps noise too. if you're going to try to bullshit a random stadium, at least make it one i dont attend annually
:lol Either Qualcomm has the tinniest and most pathetic speakers on the planet or they need to crank the volume up some more.

[spurraider21]

qualcomm pumps noise too. if you're going to try to bullshit a random stadium, at least make it one i dont attend annually


nope


:lol Either Qualcomm has the tinniest and most pathetic speakers on the planet or they need to crank the volume up some more.
:lmao


Loud- The most FAKE sound ever. I have been to 8 stadiums now and I know crowd noise. Qualcomm pumps in fake crowd noise like NO OTHER. There were times when there were NO Charger fans chearing and the sound was deftening. Bunch of crap. They also play music pretty much up until the opposing QB takes the snap which I have never seen at any other stadium. That bass is heavy and the sound is LOUD.
http://packersnews.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=13690&sid=21701ccb677b516981a5c5a769cf5918


The loudest noise at times during that game was the artificial crowd noise pumped in on key third downs.
http://www.utsandiego.com/sports/aztecs/20080926-9999-1s26azfoot.html


Another thing I noticed was that the artificial crowd noise pumpedthrough the speakers sounds pretty real on the field. (I won’t tellthe players if you won’t.)
http://www.thedailyaztec.com/20274/daily-aztec-stories/why-sports-writers-drink-so-much/

[Fabbs]

I can understand why people want to Red Herring the shit out of this situation. "Everybody is dirty", blah-blah-blah. Still doesn't excuse everything you've done and continue to do. But yet that's what you're trying to do here. As SR21 says, own it, just own it :lol. Tommy and Billy have to be good little boys and take their medicine like everybody else
:lol PatFag wants it both ways.
Getting to be in same ballpark as patheticness of LakerPhan.

[Fabbs]

:lmao


http://packersnews.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=13690&sid=21701ccb677b516981a5c5a769cf5918
Credibility?
Those comments were from a db made by the poster:
packfnct
Super Homer
Bush Brigade

:lol GTFO

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao


http://packersnews.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=13690&sid=21701ccb677b516981a5c5a769cf5918


http://www.utsandiego.com/sports/aztecs/20080926-9999-1s26azfoot.html


http://www.thedailyaztec.com/20274/daily-aztec-stories/why-sports-writers-drink-so-much/
:lmao Raiders

[spurraider21]

Credibility?
Those comments were from a db made by the poster:
packfnct
Super Homer
Bush Brigade

:lol GTFO
a) i posted more than 1
b) why would a packer fan care about the chargers to lie about them online
c) i've been to qualcomm myself and you are completely full of shit

[Clipper Nation]

BTW, two of those examples were from Aztecs games, you'll have to try harder than that.

[Blake]

I can understand why people want to Red Herring the shit out of this situation. "Everybody is dirty", blah-blah-blah. Still doesn't excuse everything you've done and continue to do. But yet that's what you're trying to do here. As SR21 says, own it, just own it :lol. Tommy and Billy have to be good little boys and take their medicine like everybody else

If the nfl can't prove it, no need to own it

[spurraider21]

BTW, two of those examples were from Aztecs games, you'll have to try harder than that.
aztecs play at qualcomm

[Clipper Nation]

aztecs play at qualcomm
Maybe the Aztecs pump in crowd noise, but that's it, tbh.

[spurraider21]

Maybe the Aztecs pump in crowd noise, but that's it, tbh.
one of the links was from a packer fan, and again i've been there myself :lol

the only thing you are proving by arguing this is that you haven't been there yourself

[Clipper Nation]

So, one random Packer fan on a message board, and a couple of Aztecs sites. Solid evidence, Philo :tu

[Fabbs]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/14/Ralph_Wiggum.png
I can spam the board.
I was at Oilcan Harrys on October 12th.

[Clipper Nation]

BTW, I don't believe Seattle even has to pump in fake crowd noise, mainly because I remember when the Seahawks were in our division and how loud the Kingdome used to get even during losing seasons. Their fanbase is the real deal, tbh.

[Fabbs]

one of the links was from a packer fan, and again i've been there myself :lol
and not just any Packer Fan:

packfnct
Super Homer
Bush Brigade.

Perhaps overweight Packer Fan was under the influence of vast amounts of cheese, sausage, beers, and bratworst. Perhaps his perception was "golly that stadium was loud, Bertha! Get me another cheese roll"

RaiderFan at the Q. Lets see that influence could be......:rolleyes

[spurraider21]

RaiderFan at the Q. Lets see that influence could be......:rolleyes
except when i've gone i typically see more raider than charger fans, which explains why they need artificial crowd noise pumped in :lmao

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[DarrinS]

Meanwhile, they are getting a fresh set of game balls ready for the SB

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2087657!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/aptopix-super-bowl-football.jpg

[Spur-Addict]

If the nfl can't prove it, no need to own it

Do they even have to? This isn't as if it's some sort of claim about someone using PED's, and they need a test to prove it. It's like they make a claim about PED's, and syringes with the drugs were found all over the premises. Nobody is raising their hands, so everyone will probably get punished.

[Blake]

Do they even have to?

uh yes. Why do you think they're bothering to investigate?



This isn't as if it's some sort of claim about someone using PED's, and they need a test to prove it. It's like they make a claim about PED's, and syringes with the drugs were found all over the premises. Nobody is raising their hands, so everyone will probably get punished.

You gonna punish the refs too?

[Spur-Addict]

You gonna punish the refs too?

Nope, there's no reason to.

[pgardn]

Having an underinflated football for one game(and you cant even prove that the team did it intentionally) = PED use :lol

Now just wander off making stuff up.
Its hopeless.

[Blake]

Nope, there's no reason to.

How do you know they weren't the ones that deflated the balls

[Spur-Addict]

How do you know they weren't the ones that deflated the balls

No one can know definitively, but it makes no sense to incriminate yourself.

[Blake]

No one can know definitively, but it makes no sense to incriminate yourself.

"incriminating yourself"? Wut does that have to do with anything?

You want to punish the Pats but you have no evidence they did anything wrong.

I'm saying it could have been a ref that did it but you don't want to punish him. Why not? They fondled the balls just the same as Brady did.

[Spur-Addict]

"incriminating yourself"? Wut does that have to do with anything?

You want to punish the Pats but you have no evidence they did anything wrong.

I'm saying it could have been a ref that did it but you don't want to punish him. Why not? They fondled the balls just the same as Brady did.

So you're saying that it makes sense for a referee to intentionally cause an infraction themselves, then, put themselves in the cross hairs by exposing that same infraction? That has a lot to do with whether or not a ref is a likely suspect. The logic behind an action is important. If it was at all reasonable that they could have done it, then I'm all ears. Feel free to provide an example.

This isn't a personal hatred situation, I have no personal vendetta against them. It's not like Seattle a member of the AFC East and have been tortured by them for an eternity. Seattle is in another conference, a different division, and they beat them the last time the two teams squared off. I could go on about why I have no ill will, but you get the point.

[Blake]

So you're saying that it makes sense for a referee to intentionally cause an infraction themselves, then, put themselves in the cross hairs by exposing that same infraction? That has a lot to do with whether or not a ref is a likely suspect. The logic behind an action is important. If it was at all reasonable that they could have done it, then I'm all ears. Feel free to provide an example.


The refs didn't expose the infraction. The Colts did.

If you're asking for a motive, again, they could be going Tim Donaghy and have money on the Pats

[Clipper Nation]

The refs didn't expose the infraction. The Colts did.

If you're asking for a motive, again, they could be going Tim Donaghy and have money on the Pats

I know you're just trolling with these retarded takes, but literally one of the first details to come out about this story is that the game balls passed inspection initially and given back to the teams two hours before the game. Then at halftime, the Patriots' game balls were found to be inflated well below the legal limit. The only possible explanation was that someone in the Patriots' organization tampered with their set of game balls during that two-hour period.

[Spur-Addict]

The refs didn't expose the infraction. The Colts did.

If you're asking for a motive, again, they could be going Tim Donaghy and have money on the Pats

Apparently the Ravens tipped the Colts to the deflated balls (Which I find hilarious :lol). So I was wrong there, but at the same time you weren't entirely correct. Were the same refs used in both games? If not, is this a multi ref conspiracy in favor of the Patriots? How far on the unreasonable tin foil route are we going to go here? Lets be serious.

[monosylab1k]

They fondled the balls just the same as Brady did.

I hadn't cracked a smile at any of the ball jokes littering the internet right now, but this one finally got me to laugh :lol

[monosylab1k]

I know you're just trolling with these retarded takes, but literally one of the first details to come out about this story is that the game balls passed inspection initially and given back to the teams two hours before the game. Then at halftime, the Patriots' game balls were found to be inflated well below the legal limit. The only possible explanation was that someone in the Patriots' organization tampered with their set of game balls during that two-hour period.

Then it should be pretty easy to prove, since the balls were out in the open on the sidelines, and there's cameras covering every square inch of that place.

[Blake]

I know you're just trolling with these retarded takes, but literally one of the first details to come out about this story is that the game balls passed inspection initially and given back to the teams two hours before the game. Then at halftime, the Patriots' game balls were found to be inflated well below the legal limit. The only possible explanation was that someone in the Patriots' organization tampered with their set of game balls during that two-hour period.

Where's the proof of purposeful tampering? Link it or stop with your retarded hearsay

[Clipper Nation]

Where's the proof of purposeful tampering? Link it or stop with your retarded hearsay

While the NFL says its investigation into the 11 deflated Patriots footballs is "ongoing," the website ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/21/source-footballs-were-properly-checked-before-colts-patriots-game/)dropped an important piece of information Wednesday afternoon, citing a source who confirmed that the footballs were tested properly before the game and were found to have a pressure between 12.5 PSI and 13.5 PSI.

Why is this a big deal?

Well, it means the deflation occurred after the referees gave the balls back to both teams just before kickoff. Not good news for the Patriots.

The one other bit of information in the ProFootballTalk story (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/21/source-footballs-were-properly-checked-before-colts-patriots-game/): The league, made aware of the possibility of a deflated football during the first half, opted not to stop the game to inspect but rather decided to wait until halftime.

http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2015/01/report_footballs_were_properly.html

[Blake]

Apparently the Ravens tipped the Colts to the deflated balls (Which I find hilarious :lol). So I was wrong there, but at the same time you weren't entirely correct. Were the same refs used in both games? If not, is this a multi ref conspiracy in favor of the Patriots? How far on the unreasonable tin foil route are we going to go here? Lets be serious.

Why didn't Baltimore say anything when it happened? I'm correct that it was the Colts that complained about it to the NFL. The Ravens are complaining like the bitches that come out of the woodwork of the Cosby rape accusations after rape victim #1 comes out first.

Lol you have no proof of intentional wrongdoing but you seriously want to hang the Pats.

I don't even give a shit about the Pats other than this story and media frenzy over it are so fucking retarded.

[Blake]

While the NFL says its investigation into the 11 deflated Patriots footballs is "ongoing," the website ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/21/source-footballs-were-properly-checked-before-colts-patriots-game/)dropped an important piece of information Wednesday afternoon, citing a source who confirmed that the footballs were tested properly before the game and were found to have a pressure between 12.5 PSI and 13.5 PSI.

Why is this a big deal?

Well, it means the deflation occurred after the referees gave the balls back to both teams just before kickoff. Not good news for the Patriots.

The one other bit of information in the ProFootballTalk story (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/21/source-footballs-were-properly-checked-before-colts-patriots-game/): The league, made aware of the possibility of a deflated football during the first half, opted not to stop the game to inspect but rather decided to wait until halftime.

http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2015/01/report_footballs_were_properly.html

Lol retarded bloggers

if this was such a horrible infraction, why didn't the NFL stop the game to inspect? Not good news for the NFL

Let me know when some actual proof pops up

[Spur-Addict]

Why didn't Baltimore say anything when it happened? I'm correct that it was the Colts that complained about it to the NFL. The Ravens are complaining like the bitches that come out of the woodwork of the Cosby rape accusations after rape victim #1 comes out first.

Lol you have no proof of intentional wrongdoing but you seriously want to hang the Pats.

I don't even give a shit about the Pats other than this story and media frenzy over it are so fucking retarded.

Why Baltimore didn't say anything is irrelevant. Perhaps they couldn't have definitively prove anything at the time. But the fact that they pointed it out, and it showed up again VS the Colts, is probably indicative of the NFL having a stronger case than some may think.

Of course I as an individual have no proof, I'm speculating just like everyone else, whether you're on one side of the argument or the other.

Perhaps it is retarded, perhaps it's not. I became more interested after the press conferences, they seemed off to me.

[Silver&Black]

http://i.imgur.com/hnhANXe.png

:lmao Massachusetts: 80% Not a big deal
:lmao Washington: 64% Patriots' success is tainted

[monosylab1k]

Lol retarded bloggers

if this was such a horrible infraction, why didn't the NFL stop the game to inspect? Not good news for the NFL

Let me know when some actual proof pops up
If it was such a heinous crime as to compromise the integrity of the game, why would they let the Patriots play like that for half of a fucking championship game?

[Clipper Nation]

If it was such a heinous crime as to compromise the integrity of the game, why would they let the Patriots play like that for half of a fucking championship game?

The other option was to stop the game during the first half in order to do the investigation. Needless to say, Patriots fans would be screaming bloody murder with all sorts of conspiracy theories if that happened.

[Blake]

Why Baltimore didn't say anything is irrelevant. Perhaps they couldn't have definitively prove anything at the time. But the fact that they pointed it out, and it showed up again VS the Colts, is probably indicative of the NFL having a stronger case than some may think.

Of course I as an individual have no proof, I'm speculating just like everyone else, whether you're on one side of the argument or the other.

Perhaps it is retarded, perhaps it's not. I became more interested after the press conferences, they seemed off to me.

It's retarded to say they should and will get punished when there's no evidence of intentional wrong doing.

[Blake]

If it was such a heinous crime as to compromise the integrity of the game, why would they let the Patriots play like that for half of a fucking championship game?

It was raining. Goodell's hair> deflated balls

[Blake]

The other option was to stop the game during the first half in order to do the investigation. Needless to say, Patriots fans would be screaming bloody murder with all sorts of conspiracy theories if that happened.

well now the fans of the other 30 something teams are screaming bloody murder so that's better

[Spur-Addict]

It's retarded to say they should and will get punished when there's no evidence of intentional wrong doing.

I guess that's the approach you took while your ex wife was getting Johnny Long Dicked.

J/K, all joking aside. I guess that's the approach detectives take when they're going over a case. Hunches, inclinations, and following leads are pretty much irrelevant. While hunches are just that, hunches. Sometimes you know when a motherfucker is guilty, and it's only a matter of time. Perhaps I'm wrong, but this has that feeling to me. I understand the logic of innocent until proven guilty. But at this point, the conduct of those under the microscope, the protocol of handling the balls etc all point towards the most likely inevitable.

[monosylab1k]

The other option was to stop the game during the first half in order to do the investigation. Needless to say, Patriots fans would be screaming bloody murder with all sorts of conspiracy theories if that happened.
Who gives a fuck about Patriots fans? That scenario means the NFL was complicit with compromising the integrity of the game.

[DPG21920]

If it was such a heinous crime as to compromise the integrity of the game, why would they let the Patriots play like that for half of a fucking championship game?

I'ma start calling you Elsa cause you need to Let It Go homie

[Blake]

I guess that's the approach you took while your ex wife was getting Johnny Long Dicked.

J/K, all joking aside. I guess that's the approach detectives take when they're going over a case. Hunches, inclinations, and following leads are pretty much irrelevant. While hunches are just that, hunches. Sometimes you know when a motherfucker is guilty, and it's only a matter of time. Perhaps I'm wrong, but this has that feeling to me. I understand the logic of innocent until proven guilty. But at this point, the conduct of those under the microscope, the protocol of handling the balls etc all point towards the most likely inevitable.

Lol the ol make a long joke about Jerome hitting it and then dropping the j/k at the end

the point there is that you have the option to crucify the pats if you want but the NFL doesn't.

[Spur-Addict]

Lol the ol make a long joke about Jerome hitting it and then dropping the j/k at the end

the point there is that you have the option to crucify the pats if you want but the NFL doesn't.

The joke was more of an example than anything else to be completely straight forward about it. I guess we'll see what the NFL has shortly.

[pgardn]

Likely the NFL gets nothing imo.

The rep damage is already done. Again the fact the NFL has now willingly tainted their product says it all. There is no good reason to bring this out before the SB. This in itself, is very telling.

[monosylab1k]

Per Adam Schefter:

"The NFL is having a hard time implicating anyone in this, any fall guy. I don't know if they will ever find someone responsible. Therefore, the NFL might just decide to fine the Patriots as an organization without any proof of any wrongdoing."

[spurraider21]

res ipsa loquitur

[monosylab1k]

res ipsa loquitur

Just please be as butthurt as possible when nothing comes of this.

[unleashbaynes]

:lol lack of understanding of physics. Balls lose pressure when they go from warmer to colder temperatures. Why is this so hard to understand?

[Aztecfan03]

:lol lack of understanding of physics. Balls lose pressure when they go from warmer to colder temperatures. Why is this so hard to understand?

Not that much pressure.

[spurraider21]

Just please be as butthurt as possible when nothing comes of this.
i won't be. when this started i was on record saying i doubted much would come of it

but in the meantime i'm enjoying the hysteria

[monosylab1k]

Partriots about to hold a press conference. Everyone obviously thinking it's something major. Hopefully they're announcing McDaniels is leaving.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol What a colossal waste of time this is. All he's doing is reiterating the same lies he and Brady told on Thursday.

[monosylab1k]

:lol What a colossal waste of time this is. All he's doing is reiterating the same lies he and Brady told on Thursday.

:lol

[Blizzardwizard]

LOL people still desperate for some action to be taken over nothing.

"Please disqualify them so my team can play :cry :cry"

[monosylab1k]

:lmao Belichick just delivered a serious ass ramming to the media and all haters. Anybody who says otherwise is in complete denial.

[pgardn]

:lol lack of understanding of physics. Balls lose pressure when they go from warmer to colder temperatures. Why is this so hard to understand?

At What temperature were the balls checked at after inflation Mr. Physics?

[Clipper Nation]

:lol It's amazing how Belichick went from being completely ignorant on Thursday to being a wannabe science expert on Saturday. Meanwhile, zero explanation for how the "atmospheric conditions" didn't have any affect at all on the Colts' footballs. Either that, or the Colts need to explain how they managed to get the laws of physics to not apply to them.

He's talking out of his ass.

[monosylab1k]

:lol It's amazing how Belichick went from being completely ignorant on Thursday to being a wannabe science expert on Saturday. Meanwhile, zero explanation for how the "atmospheric conditions" didn't have any affect at all on the Colts' footballs.

He's talking out of his ass.
You sound desperate.

[Clipper Nation]

You sound desperate.

"Desperate" is calling THREE press conferences to deny and deflect after being caught cheating. :lol

[spurraider21]

:lmao Belichick just delivered a serious ass ramming to the media and all haters. Anybody who says otherwise is in complete denial.Another "wedindonuffin" is an ass-ramming?

[monosylab1k]

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[Leon Sandcastle]

> QBs couldn't tell balls were deflated, except Brady said he likes under-inflated balls
> Rubbing balls increases PSI

I've heard it all

[spurraider21]

:lol It's amazing how Belichick went from being completely ignorant on Thursday to being a wannabe science expert on Saturday. Meanwhile, zero explanation for how the "atmospheric conditions" didn't have any affect at all on the Colts' footballs. Either that, or the Colts need to explain how they managed to get the laws of physics to not apply to them.

He's talking out of his ass.
:lmao internal investigation :lmao what's next, is Aaron hernandez going to reveal the results of his internal investigation of the murder case?

[Clipper Nation]

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:lol Nice spinjob by ESPN (aka the Patriots Network) framing this completely legitimate point as "paranoia," BTW.

[Clipper Nation]

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[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Not inflating the balls to a high enough PSI before they're given to the refs pregame isn't against the rules at all, at that point the refs can inflate/deflate the balls at their own discretion and it's on them to get the pressure right. It's not New England's responsibility to account for what effect their prepping/rubbing/whatever done before the balls are given to the refs pregame will have on the ball pressure, they're simply not allowed to alter the balls after that point.

[monosylab1k]

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None of that would be in violation of league rules. It's up to the refs to ensure balls are at proper PSI before and during games. If no Patriots doctor balls after the official check, they've done nothing wrong. Don't blame the Patriots for more referee incompetence.

[monosylab1k]

Not inflating the balls to a high enough PSI before they're given to the refs pregame isn't against the rules at all, at that point the refs can inflate/deflate the balls at their own discretion and it's on them to get the pressure right. It's not New England's responsibility to account for what effect their prepping/rubbing/whatever done before the balls are given to the refs pregame will have on the ball pressure, they're simply not allowed to alter the balls after that point.
:cry You're just spinning this story to protect your cheating coach and QB! Science and rules don't apply when the Patriots are involved! BeliCHEAT (get it?) should have accounted for the NFL not being able to understand basic physics! Every other coach does!

[monosylab1k]

and all week ESPN has been nailing the Patriots. Mark Brunell cried at Brady's "lack of integrity". Wilbon demanded they withdraw from the Super Bowl. Mortensen was the fucking guy who started this whole shitstorm. To say ESPN has been in the Pats corner means either (a) you're literally a mentally retarded human being, (b) you haven't actually watched ESPN at all this week, or (c) your Pats haterade level us so through the roof you can't comprehend basic English within a five minute window of hearing the words "Belichick" or "Patriots"

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:cry You're just spinning this story to protect your cheating coach and QB! Science and rules don't apply when the Patriots are involved! BeliCHEAT (get it?) should have accounted for the NFL not being able to understand basic physics! Every other coach does!

:lol I like how those tweets from the B-list commentator who hosts NFL redzone are supposed to be some great rebuttal to Belichick's press conference when all they do is restate what he said.

When Belichick is actually caught doing something wrong (Spygate), he doesn't deny it or try damage control. He admitted to Spygate from day 1 and took the punishment to get the investigation over as quickly as possible. He'd be doing the same thing here if he actually did something against the rules.

[monosylab1k]

:lol I like how those tweets from the B-list commentator who hosts NFL redzone are supposed to be some great rebuttal to Belichick's press conference when all they do is restate what he said.

When Belichick is actually caught doing something wrong (Spygate), he doesn't deny it or try damage control. He admitted to Spygate from day 1 and took the punishment to get the investigation over as quickly as possible. He'd be doing the same thing here if he actually did something against the rules.

:cry but but but the media has been on the Patriots side this whole time!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

and all week ESPN has been nailing the Patriots. Mark Brunell cried at Brady's "lack of integrity". Wilbon demanded they withdraw from the Super Bowl. Mortensen was the fucking guy who started this whole shitstorm. To say ESPN has been in the Pats corner means either (a) you're literally a mentally retarded human being, (b) you haven't actually watched ESPN at all this week, or (c) your Pats haterade level us so through the roof you can't comprehend basic English within a five minute window of hearing the words "Belichick" or "Patriots"

:lol the irrational Patriots hatred couldn't be more obvious just from the thread title alone. Labeling the thread "Patriots Found Guilty for Deflating Footballs" when the NFL investigator has specifically said no conclusions have been drawn yet is a cut and dry example of how batshit some people get at the mere mention of Brady or Belichick.

[monosylab1k]

After making Brady squirm for 30 minutes, these cocky reporters thought they'd take a shot at King Belichick. He promptly shove his fist up their ass and made them say uncle. Loved his Spygate takedown too tbh

"A guy is giving signals in front of 80,000 people, OK?" Belichick said. "So we filmed them taking signals in front of 80,000 people like there were a lot of other teams doing at that time too. Forget about that. If we were wrong, we’ve been disciplined for that.

"Guy is in front of 80,000 people ... 80,000 people saw it, everybody on the sideline saw it, everybody sees our guys in front of 80,000 people. I mean, there he is. It was wrong, we were disciplined for it, that’s it. We never did it again. We’re never going to do it again. Anything else that’s close, we’re not going to do either."

Love that he made sure that all these fucking coaches looking down on him from their high horses remember that he knows exactly what they were up to.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

After making Brady squirm for 30 minutes, these cocky reporters thought they'd take a shot at King Belichick. He promptly shove his fist up their ass and made them say uncle. Loved his Spygate takedown too tbh

"A guy is giving signals in front of 80,000 people, OK?" Belichick said. "So we filmed them taking signals in front of 80,000 people like there were a lot of other teams doing at that time too. Forget about that. If we were wrong, we’ve been disciplined for that.

"Guy is in front of 80,000 people ... 80,000 people saw it, everybody on the sideline saw it, everybody sees our guys in front of 80,000 people. I mean, there he is. It was wrong, we were disciplined for it, that’s it. We never did it again. We’re never going to do it again. Anything else that’s close, we’re not going to do either."

Love that he made sure that all these fucking coaches looking down in him from their high horses remember that he knows exactly what they were up to.

I think he wanted them to bring Spygate up and waste time asking questions about it which is why he lent them just enough rope to hang themselves with the subtle "We've always stayed within the rules as much as possible" trolling. It's pretty pathetic when the best they can do in terms of questions is, ":cry bu bu but what about Spygate!:cry:cry"

[UZER]

I think he wanted them to bring Spygate up and waste time asking questions about it which is why he lent them just enough rope to hang themselves with the subtle "We've always stayed within the rules as much as possible" trolling. It's pretty pathetic when the best they can do in terms of questions is, ":cry bu bu but what about Spygate!:cry:cry"

:lol From the moment the press conference started, you could tell BB was weaving his web. He was in control the entire time.

[pgardn]

It's not our job to find out how the balls became under inflated. The NFL brought it up, so they own it.

This is the basic summary and BB is correct. He realized the go ask Brady was a stupid comment.
Nothing has changed. The NFL slamming its own product without prompting is unique. I have yet to read anyone explain this.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

It's not our job to find out how the balls became under inflated. The NFL brought it up, so they own it.

This is the basic summary and BB is correct. He realized the go ask Brady was a stupid comment.
Nothing has changed. The NFL slamming its own product without prompting is unique. I have yet to read anyone explain this.

:lmao "without prompting"

If by "The NFL slamming its own product without prompting" you mean "D'Qwell Jackson reporting an under-inflated football that the NFL is forced to investigate after more under-inflated footballs were discovered", then yes, the NFL is slamming itself without prompting.

[pgardn]

:lmao "without prompting"

If by "The NFL slamming its own product without prompting" you mean "D'Qwell Jackson reporting an under-inflated football that the NFL is forced to investigate after more under-inflated footballs were discovered", then yes, the NFL is slamming itself without prompting.

How did DQwell find out?
Did he test them himself?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

How did DQwell find out?
Did he test them himself?

He intercepted a ball, handed it to the equipment manager who thought it felt under-inflated. It was then reported to the NFL.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24984712/did-colts-lb-dqwell-jackson-start-deflategate-on-accident

:lmao making something up about how the NFL brought this up itself

[pgardn]

He intercepted a ball, handed it to the equipment manager who thought it felt under-inflated. It was then reported to the NFL.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24984712/did-colts-lb-dqwell-jackson-start-deflategate-on-accident

:lmao making something up about how the NFL brought this up itself

Yes I know this.
So this explains nil.

How did the NFL learn 11 out of 12 footballs were under inflated?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yes I know this.
So this explains nil.

How did the NFL learn 11 out of 12 footballs were under inflated?

It's protocol to further investigate once an under-inflated football is discovered. Are you really this dense?

[ploto]

Meanwhile, zero explanation for how the "atmospheric conditions" didn't have any affect at all on the Colts' footballs. Either that, or the Colts need to explain how they managed to get the laws of physics to not apply to them.
If the Pats like their balls at 12.5 but the Colts like them at 13.5, then the Colts could lose 1psi and still be within the range while the Pats fall out of the range for any loss. The rule book AFAIK only sets the range to start the game. All balls lose pressure during the game if the temperature drops and 5 300-lb guys land on top of the ball carrier.

[pgardn]

It's protocol to further investigate once an under-inflated football is discovered. Are you really this dense?

This is what happens when you shoot quickly from the hip.
And really don't think things through.


So it's protocol. Go through WHO checked the balls, when, and the NFL deciding to release the information that the Pats WILL be investigated for under inflating the balls. Your own article puts doubt as to when the balls were tested. Surely a deflated football has been found before others tested and reports issued. So the NFL had to DECiDE this was important enough and knew the repercussions of saying the Patriots would be investigated. This before a SB... Totally whimsical stuff.

Do you have the slightest idea of what I am typing?

[ploto]

Not inflating the balls to a high enough PSI before they're given to the refs pregame isn't against the rules at all, at that point the refs can inflate/deflate the balls at their own discretion and it's on them to get the pressure right. It's not New England's responsibility to account for what effect their prepping/rubbing/whatever done before the balls are given to the refs pregame will have on the ball pressure, they're simply not allowed to alter the balls after that point.
Yes, Aaron Rodgers said this week that officials have deflated balls he prepped for games for being over 13.5.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

This is what happens when you shoot quickly from the hip.
And really don't think things through.


So it's protocol. Go through WHO checked the balls, when, and the NFL deciding to release the information that the Pats WILL be investigated for under inflating the balls. Your own article puts doubt as to when the balls were tested. Surely a deflated football has been found before others tested and reports issued. So the NFL had to DECiDE this was important enough and knew the repercussions of saying the Patriots would be investigated. This before a SB... Totally whimsical stuff.

Do you have the slightest idea of what I am typing?

I actually don't understand a large portion of your posts, largely due to your random usage of all caps and horrid grammar, but that's a different topic. I have no idea what the sentence, "Surely a deflated football has been found before others tested and reports issued" means, which is because it looks like something written by a 12 year old mongoloid.

The NFL released information after the story was leaked by that Kravitz guy and had already gone viral. The NFL's decision to announce they'd be investigating the Patriots was a reactionary measure to all of the public outrage. Pretending the NFL decided on its own to blow this out of proportion and that it already wasn't a big story before the NFL commented is revisionist history. It'd be the equivalent of saying the NFL decided on its own to investigate Ray Rice for domestic violence.

[spurraider21]

just watched the presser... :lol dig the my cousin vinny reference Bill threw in there

I'm not the mona lisa vito of the football world as she was in the car expertise area

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

just watched the presser... :lol dig the my cousin vinny reference Bill threw in there

I'm not the mona lisa vito of the football world as she was in the car expertise area

:lol I've never seen that movie so I had no idea what he was talking about

[pgardn]

I actually don't understand a large portion of your posts, largely due to your random usage of all caps and horrid grammar, but that's a different topic. I have no idea what the sentence, "Surely a deflated football has been found before others tested and reports issued" means, which is because it looks like something written by a 12 year old mongoloid.

The NFL released information after the story was leaked by that Kravitz guy and had already gone viral. The NFL's decision to announce they'd be investigating the Patriots was a reactionary measure to all of the public outrage. Pretending the NFL decided on its own to blow this out of proportion and that it already wasn't a big story before the NFL commented is revisionist history. It'd be the equivalent of saying the NFL decided on its own to investigate Ray Rice for domestic violence.

Oh.

So the NFL decided the public hates the Patriots so much that they determined the Pats must be investigated?

You have got to be shitting me.

Surely a deflated football has been found before, other footballs tested, and reports issued.

Sorry for the shorthand Mrs. Crutchfield, I am not on a keyboard, takes me forever to type. iPads also auto correct in crazy manners on occasion, please don't ding my grade Ms.

[spurraider21]

:lol I've never seen that movie so I had no idea what he was talking about
:wow... one of the greatest comedy films of all time tbh

[Aztecfan03]

:lol It's amazing how Belichick went from being completely ignorant on Thursday to being a wannabe science expert on Saturday. Meanwhile, zero explanation for how the "atmospheric conditions" didn't have any affect at all on the Colts' footballs. Either that, or the Colts need to explain how they managed to get the laws of physics to not apply to them.

He's talking out of his ass.

Didn't see it, but in this case, it sounds like that phrase actually applies.

[Aztecfan03]

If the Pats like their balls at 12.5 but the Colts like them at 13.5, then the Colts could lose 1psi and still be within the range while the Pats fall out of the range for any loss. The rule book AFAIK only sets the range to start the game. All balls lose pressure during the game if the temperature drops and 5 300-lb guys land on top of the ball carrier.


that doesn't work since the balls were at least 2 psi out of the range.

[ploto]

that doesn't work since the balls were at least 2 psi out of the range.

Not confirmed that 11 balls were at 10.5.

[monosylab1k]

that doesn't work since the balls were at least 2 psi out of the range.

NFL never said that. That was an anonymous source to Mortensen. The NFL hasn't said how underinflated the balls were.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Oh.

So the NFL decided the public hates the Patriots so much that they determined the Pats must be investigated?

You have got to be shitting me.

Surely a deflated football has been found before, other footballs tested, and reports issued.

Sorry for the shorthand Mrs. Crutchfield, I am not on a keyboard, takes me forever to type. iPads also auto correct in crazy manners on occasion, please don't ding my grade Ms.

:lmao:lmao:lmao logging onto your ipad to post about the Patriots because it's to important to wait until you can get to a computer

Exhibit 45987634587964539763 of the public hating the Patriots that much :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Surely a deflated football has been found before, other footballs tested, and reports issued.

Btw, I still have no fucking idea what this means. It looks like something Yoda would say.

[Clipper Nation]

Btw, I still have no fucking idea what this means. It looks like something Yoda would say.

:lol He always has that retarded gibberish posting style, as if he was either dropped on his head as a child or is always drunk when he posts.

[pgardn]

:lmao:lmao:lmao logging onto your ipad to post about the Patriots because it's to important to wait until you can get to a computer

Exhibit 45987634587964539763 of the public hating the Patriots that much :lol

I only have an iPad at home.
My computer is at the office.
Good Christ, just take a situation and some mushrooms and dream something up.

[pgardn]

Btw, I still have no fucking idea what this means. It looks like something Yoda would say.

1. A deflated football is found in a game.
2. Other footballs are tested within the group of footballs the particular team uses.
3. The report of the incident is given to the NFL

Do you think it has ever happened before?
Jesus Christ...

The NFL decided to investigate the Patriots because the NFL knows fans hate the Patriots.
So this how it went down.

You are a Fkn idiot.

[pgardn]

:lol He always has that retarded gibberish posting style, as if he was either dropped on his head as a child or is always drunk when he posts.

Coming from your dumb ass I will take this as a complement.

[Boston Pancake]

1. A deflated football is found in a game.
2. Other footballs are tested within the group of footballs the particular team uses.
3. The report of the incident is given to the NFL

Do you think it has ever happened before?
Jesus Christ...

The NFL decided to investigate the Patriots because the NFL knows fans hate the Patriots.
So this how it went down.

You are a Fkn idiot.

Lookit fuckstick, there's no fahkin way the Patriots tainted their balls. Tommy O'Brady is any of this sorry fuckheaded bullshit. If you keep tryin to besmirch his good name I'll have a to finish this bottle of Sam Adams and then smash it over your fahkin head you cuocksucker.

[sook]

Lookit fuckstick, there's no fahkin way the Patriots tainted their balls. Tommy O'Brady is any of this sorry fuckheaded bullshit. If you keep tryin to besmirch his good name I'll have a to finish this bottle of Sam Adams and then smash it over your fahkin head you cuocksucker.

:lol

[Raven]

not trying to hate or anything here, the guy really needs to check his use of commas and "and"s, i think that is the reason why his sentences are impossible to follow. I mean i don't care much about grammar on a forum, but it's honestly unreadable.

[pgardn]

not trying to hate or anything here, the guy really needs to check his use of commas and "and"s, i think that is the reason why his sentences are impossible to follow. I mean i don't care much about grammar on a forum, but it's honestly unreadable.

Personally, I would stop reading a dumbass who cannot write or get any salient point across.
It's just not worth the time or the effort.

[Will Hunting]

Coming from your dumb ass I will take this as a complement.

compliment*

[Will Hunting]

Personally, I would stop reading a dumbass who cannot write or get any salient point across.
It's just not worth the time or the effort.

So does that mean you don't read your own posts?

[Will Hunting]

:lol He always has that retarded gibberish posting style, as if he was either dropped on his head as a child or is always drunk when he posts.

When I read his posts he strikes me as a slightly less retarded xmas1997.

[pgardn]

So does that mean you don't read your own posts?

I can understand my gibberish.
Apparently you can as well, you responded to my post.
This site does have an ignore button if you wish to use it.

My gibberish has raised some major Patriot hatred, which is interesting.
As far as Clipper, he is an unsophisticated troll, pure and simple.

Keep it coming boys. The messenger is stupid, incomprehensible, and has no valid points.
It tells me you all understand how silly it is to believe the NFL has accused the Patriots of purposely altering footballs to satisfy the passions of the rest of the league. I would have to believe the NFL wished this deflation incident had never happened.

I must admit I am very lazy writing and don't go back and correct as I should. This of course is reason enough to totally doubt any assertions I make. There is a Latin term for this tactic.

[Aztecfan03]

http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/bill-nye-the-science-guy-says-bill-belichick-is-full-of-1681658679

[Spur-Addict]

http://i.imgur.com/asd1HXc.gif

[Blake]

Btw, I still have no fucking idea what this means. It looks like something Yoda would say.

:lol

[monosylab1k]

http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/bill-nye-the-science-guy-says-bill-belichick-is-full-of-1681658679

Yeah, I'll take the word of actual physics professors over that of a kids show host.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/23/physics-professor-counters-deflate-gate-accusations-with-science-video/

http://www.popsci.com/football-physics-and-science-deflategate

http://chronicle.com/blogs/ticker/physics-professors-tackle-the-nfls-ballghazi-scandal/92719

[Chris]

"Science Guy" shitting on Belicheat:lol

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[Aztecfan03]

Yeah, I'll take the word of actual physics professors over that of a kids show host.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/23/physics-professor-counters-deflate-gate-accusations-with-science-video/

http://www.popsci.com/football-physics-and-science-deflategate

http://chronicle.com/blogs/ticker/physics-professors-tackle-the-nfls-ballghazi-scandal/92719

Started reading the first one and his math is wrong. temperature going from 70 to 50 would decrease it less than half a psi.

And Bill Nye has a mechanical engineering degree and worked as an engineer.

[monosylab1k]

Started reading the first one and his math is wrong. temperature going from 70 to 50 would decrease it less than half a psi.
Well maybe you should apply for a job at BC then, Will Hunting.

[spurraider21]

Boston College professor obviously biased towards the local NFL team

I'm still confused as to how the Colts balls were 100% fine but the Pats balls weren't


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVGXUrKJVCU

[Clipper Nation]

Yeah, I'll take the word of actual physics professors over that of a kids show host.

I'll believe the "kids' show host" who was an actual engineer/scientist in the aeronautics industry long before ever appearing on television over a football coach, tbh.

[monosylab1k]

Boston College professor obviously biased towards the local NFL team

I'm still confused as to how the Colts balls were 100% fine but the Pats balls weren't


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVGXUrKJVCU

Article says he's a Bills fan.

And nobody has ever said the Colts balls didn't deflate, just that they were within regulations the entire time.

[monosylab1k]

I'll believe the "kids' show host" who was an actual engineer/scientist in the aeronautics industry long before ever appearing on television over a football coach, tbh.

And multiple physics professors at respected universities have agreed with the football coach over the glorified Steve from Blues Clues.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I don't necessarily understand how rubbing the football can cause a pressure decrease, but does anyone honestly think Belichick would go on TV and essentially say, "Fuck you, prove it" to the NFL without consulting professionals first? He's historically been as cautious as possible with the media and never denied anything he actually did, even in the case of Spygate.

[monosylab1k]

I don't necessarily understand how rubbing the football can cause a pressure decrease, but does anyone honestly think Belichick would go on TV and essentially say, "Fuck you, prove it" to the NFL without consulting professionals first? He's historically been as cautious as possible with the media and never denied anything he actually did, even in the case of Spygate.

Well Bill was saying the friction from rubbing the footballs caused an artificial increase in PSI. They would then make sure the balls were at 12.5 PSI in that state, or deliver to the refs and request they put the balls at 12.5 (plausible as Rodgers said the refs like to put balls closer to the low end of the spectrum). After the check, the balls PSI naturally lowers as it cools down from the rubbing. Then once they're out in the cold, wet weather, they drop even more. Whether the Patriots did all of this intentionally (likely) or unintentionally (unlikely), the science is accurate, and technically they did nothing against league rules.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm still confused as to how the Colts balls were 100% fine but the Pats balls weren't

My theory is that the refs simply fucked up and never adequately inflated the balls pregame. It's clear from what Belichick said that New England makes no effort to inflate the balls properly before the game and just tells the refs to inflate them to 12.5 (all of which is within the rules), so if the refs don't inflate them then the balls are already under-inflated at room temperature and once they were outside dipped to a full 1-2 PSI below the minimum.

[monosylab1k]

My theory is that the refs simply fucked up and never adequately inflated the balls pregame. It's clear from what Belichick said that New England makes no effort to inflate the balls properly before the game and just tells the refs to inflate them to 12.5 (all of which is within the rules), so if the refs don't inflate them then the balls are already under-inflated at room temperature and once they were outside dipped to a full 1-2 PSI below the minimum.

And if the Colts knew a sting/ball check was coming, they'd likely inflate the balls to the upper limit in the hopes of negating any natural deflation, and keep them in regulation.

[Raven]

Boston College professor obviously biased towards the local NFL team

I'm still confused as to how the Colts balls were 100% fine but the Pats balls weren't


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVGXUrKJVCU
Lol, i give you time to think about it before i start laughing...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

On a side note, "Ballghazi" is a much better name for this than "DeflateGate" :lol

[spurraider21]

Lol, i give you time to think about it before i start laughing...
go ahead and start laughing. its a valid question

[Aztecfan03]

Well Bill was saying the friction from rubbing the footballs caused an artificial increase in PSI. They would then make sure the balls were at 12.5 PSI in that state, or deliver to the refs and request they put the balls at 12.5 (plausible as Rodgers said the refs like to put balls closer to the low end of the spectrum). After the check, the balls PSI naturally lowers as it cools down from the rubbing. Then once they're out in the cold, wet weather, they drop even more. Whether the Patriots did all of this intentionally (likely) or unintentionally (unlikely), the science is accurate, and technically they did nothing against league rules.

Rubbing them won't get the temperature up that high.

[Avante]

I have never ever seen as much total bullshit as I;m seeing with this, wow!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone thinking air pressure is winning football games, hahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~

[mojorizen7]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/collegeicons/New%20England%20Patriots.png
Lotta these up in here all of a sudden

[spurraider21]

I have never ever seen as much total bullshit as I;m seeing with this, wow!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone thinking air pressure is winning football games, hahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~
you just don't get it

[Avante]

you just don't get it

Let me give it a shot....

Any team looking to gain an unfair advantage outside the rules is in the wrong.

How'd I do, yep....you're wrong as usual.


The bottom line is it's a stupid rule, let the QB use whatever air pressure he prefers. Not unlike using a different ball to kick.

[spurraider21]

Let me give it a shot....

Any team looking to gain an unfair advantage outside the rulse is in the wrong.

How'd I do, yep....you're wrong as usual.


The bottom line is it's a stupid rule.
no, you still don't get it. "anyone thinking air pressure is winning football games, hahahahahahaha~~~~~~"

when i read that, that means you are really missing the point

[Avante]

no, you still don't get it. "anyone thinking air pressure is winning football games, hahahahahahaha~~~~~~"

when i read that, that means you are really missing the point

Damn you're dumb, wow!

My point dummy is air pressure doesn't win/lose football games.....ok? Yes it's wrong to twek the NFL rules. Regardless of how stupid the rule might be.

[spurraider21]

Damn you're dumb, wow!

My point dummy is air pressure doesn't win/lose football games.....ok? Yes it's wrong to twek the NFL rules. Regardless of how stupid the rule might be.
that is the only thing at issue here. was a rule broken, and was it done intentionally? you stopping into this thread every few hours to say "air pressure doesn't win games, hahahahahahaha" just shows you are missing the point entirely

[Avante]

that is the only thing at issue here. was a rule broken, and was it done intentionally? you stopping into this thread every few hours to say "air pressure doesn't win games, hahahahahahaha" just shows you are missing the point entirely

Dude, do you work at being stupid...we .,.ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL..get what's going on here, ok dummy? My point, make that...OBVIOUS..point is.................... it's a stupid rule...OK???????????

Like talking to a little kid, wow~~~~

I can see why this little shit is a Raider fan.

[spurraider21]

Dude, do you work at being stupid...we .,.ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL..get what's going on here, ok dummy? My point, make that...OBVIOUS..point is.................... it's a stupid rule...OK???????????

Like talking to a little kid, wow~~~~

I can see why this little shit is a Raider fan.
what does that mean

[djohn2oo8]

Didn't see his latest press conference. Did he explain why the Colts' balls were legal and the Patriots' weren't?

[rogues]

:lol Ray Lewis is fuming mad on ESPN

[djohn2oo8]

:lol Ray Lewis is fuming mad on ESPN

Mr Deer antler spray :lol

[Avante]

what does that mean

You're into a team that's had how many head coachs in the last 20 years, how many QB's? Do we ever see a stable coach/QB combo with the Raiders?

Dude, cool trying to correct me, you always come off looking stupid, ok?

[spurraider21]

You're into a team that's had how many head coachs in the last 20 years, how many QB's? Do we ever see a stable coach/QB combo with the Raiders?

Dude, cool trying to correct me, you always come off looking stupid, ok?
so are you saying an intelligent person would change his favorite team because they are bad? i don't get it.

[lefty]

:lmao Ray Lewis talking about integrity

[Avante]

so are you saying an intelligent person would change his favorite team because they are bad? i don't get it.

I'm saying when you make it very obvious you have some need to play critic, how could you follow a team as messed up as the Raiders are? A real strong case can be made they have been the worst team in the league for a decade.

[spurraider21]

I'm saying when you make it very obvious you have some need to play critic, how could you follow a team as messed up as the Raiders are? A real strong case can be made they have been the worst team in the league for a decade.
again, i don't get what my fanhood has to do with anything. are you suggesting my favorite team reflects my intelligence? how so? am i supposed to change my favorite team so i can look smarter? you don't make any sense

[monosylab1k]

Rubbing them won't get the temperature up that high.

Physics professors have said otherwise. Man, you oughta be teaching at fucking MIT if you're so much smarter than them.