Trade Parker

[RD2191]

He's done. Receding faster than Lebrons hairline.

[apalisoc_9]

Who do you have in mind?

[timtonymanu]

longcat.gif

[RD2191]

Who do you have in mind?
No one. Just want him off the team.

[BatManu20]

I hope we somehow draft Terry Rozier.

We need to find Parker's successor, and I think he'd be a good choice.

[mkurts]

Woah now all the Parkertards will come out in droves to attack this thread

[Clipper Nation]

In before CryFaggot, GreatFaggot and Philo whine to the mods and get this thread deleted.

[Johnny RIngo]

He's a system player. When guys like him decline, you replace them immediately(Cojo?). The Spurs front office made the mistake in assuming he was a star player and paid him like one in the off-season. That contract is going to bite them in the ass in the next few years.

[lefty]

In before CryFaggot, GreatFaggot and Philo whine to the mods and get this thread deleted.
:lol

[NASpurs]

Woah now all the Parkertards will come out in droves to attack this thread

They're already private messaging Kori as we speak.

[vander]

I don't see any teams with 11 mil in trade exceptions

we'd have to take a bad contract in return

[Diego20]

In before CryFaggot, GreatFaggot and Philo whine to the mods and get this thread deleted.


:lmao

[DJR210]

:lol LeBron's hairline is long gone

[Malik Hairston]

:lol we've been saying this all year, it's pathetic that it's taking so long for people to realize..

Parker was terrible in last year's playoffs, too, but people didn't notice because the rest of the team was shooting at a historic level..

[KL2]

Damn he's horrible

[Dverde]

He is having his worst year. He is the Captain of the team. No way they trade him.

[Diego20]

He is having his worst year. He is the Captain of the team. No way they trade him.

TD has been the captain of this team since 2003.

[Johnny RIngo]

He is having his worst year. He is the Captain of the team. No way they trade him.

Systems players like Parker have never been untouchable. He can easily be replaced. Problem is they committed to him longterm - retarded on the FO's part.

[Malik Hairston]

Systems players like Parker have never been untouchable. He can easily be replaced. Problem is they committed to him longterm - retarded on the FO's part.

Jeff Teague in Bud's system is making this evident, tbh..

[Mikeanaro]

WHY!? BECAUSE HE IS KILLING THE TEAM!?!?!?!?! R U SHU?

[lefty]

Unfortunately no other team wants Parker

[Malik Hairston]

Unfortunately no other team wants Parker

A few of the tanking teams would take him, tbh, there aren't many tank commanders that are better..

[dabom]

A few of the tanking teams would take him, tbh, there aren't many tank commanders that are better..

Sixers?

[TheGreatYacht]

Short bus is going 80MPH tonight :lol

[Malik Hairston]

Sixers?

Don't even care, bro, as long as he's off the team..

I'm not sure if there are 5 worse starting PGs in the NBA, right now..

[lefty]

A few of the tanking teams would take him, tbh, there aren't many tank commanders that are better..
Even the tanking teams have players who are married


But yeah Enrique would solidify any tanking

[Diego20]

Short bus is going 80MPH tonight :lol

oh boy, here we go again with the "short bus" stuff again, you are the next hater..

[Chomag]

He is quickly heading into Stephon Marbury Territory.

[Diego20]

Don't even care, bro, as long as he's off the team..

I'm not sure if there are 5 worse starting PGs in the NBA, right now..

Only Calderon is worse than TP tbh

[lefty]

He is quickly heading into Stephon Marbury Territory.
At least Stephon was talented

[NASpurs]

Short bus is going 80MPH tonight :lol

Parkertards incognito tonight :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

oh boy, here we go again with the "short bus" stuff again, you are the next hater..
You're still Harlem.

[Diego20]

You're still Harlem.

dude, I'm from Argentina, I don't know who is " Harlem" but he's probably from USA. Check the ips (oh wait you can't).

[lefty]

Parkertards incognito tonight :lol
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2011/05/lurker.gif
https://p.gr-assets.com/540x540/fit/hostedimages/1383510014/6582349.gif

[TheGreatYacht]

9:45 left in the 4th

Patty Mills - 7min, 0pts, 0reb, 0ast, 0stl, 0blk, 1 TO, -9
Cory Joseph - 4min, 0pts, 0reb, 0ast, 0stl, 0blk, 1 TO, -2

Austin Rivers - 13min, 7pts, 1stl, +13 :lol

[horsielove]

This is not joke anymore. Parker has been horrible. The way he's eating minutes away from CoJo and Patty hinders their improvement.

[Johnny RIngo]

Short bus is going 80MPH tonight :lol

First sighting of the faggot crew.

[Malik Hairston]

First sighting of the faggot crew.

:lmao..

[Malik Hairston]

dude, I'm from Argentina, I don't know who is " Harlem" but he's probably from USA. Check the ips (oh wait you can't).

:lmao..

[Mikeanaro]

9:45 left in the 4th

Patty Mills - 7min, 0pts, 0reb, 0ast, 0stl, 0blk, 1 TO, -9
Cory Joseph - 4min, 0pts, 0reb, 0ast, 0stl, 0blk, 1 TO, -2

Austin Rivers - 13min, 7pts, 1stl, +13 :lol
Lol, Patty played 3 minutes and then Porky came back again to kill everything and then Patty back again with a zombie squad Enrique drains blood.
Dont expect positive differentials when he already ruined the whole team, besides Uncle Tom Jr is having the game of his life hes nowhere close Patty.
Cojo/Mills already had great games this season what about Porky?

[james evans]

if we don't trade him, we have seriously got to move him to the bench in a vinnie johnson role. I say it in every parker thread. Him starting isn't fukin working and he disrupts the flow of the game and ball movement. Let him come off the bench with one of popovich's shitty substitutions and have him shooting all he wants.

[TheGreatYacht]

Lol, Patty played 3 minutes and then Porky came back again to kill everything and then Patty back again with a zombie squad Enrique drains blood.
Dont expect positive differentials when he already ruined the whole team, besides Uncle Tom Jr is having the game of his life hes nowhere close Patty.
Cojo/Mills already had great games this season what about Porky?
Please link me to these great games Joseph and Mills have had :lmao

Before Parker hurt his hamstring...

http://youtu.be/m79cwOCTy8c

http://youtu.be/R0xGFw_K8mo

[TheGreatYacht]

Lol, Patty played 3 minutes and then Porky came back again to kill everything and then Patty back again with a zombie squad Enrique drains blood.
Dont expect positive differentials when he already ruined the whole team, besides Uncle Tom Jr is having the game of his life hes nowhere close Patty.
Cojo/Mills already had great games this season what about Porky?

http://youtu.be/BpwckNqlF0A

http://youtu.be/IMTX9Nfu5I0

http://youtu.be/zBmlHBIGlVs

[jeebus]

after this season, Hero has 3 more years making $13.5, 14.5 and 15.5 million. :lol RC was high as a fucking kite when he gave Parker that deal. That being said, there's always a GM out there willing to take a shit contract to command their tank.

[KL2]

Enrique is like a leech on this team.

[Malik Hairston]

^^:lmao Jesus, hyping games vs. the 27th and 21st ranked defenses in the NBA..is this really the point we have reached?

[lefty]

^^:lmao Jesus, hyping games vs. the 27th and 21st ranked defenses in the NBA..is this really the point we have reached?
:lmao

[timtonymanu]

Parker has been terrible for a while now. It's sad this forum deletes threads that have stats to back it up while no lyfe scrub post any stupid shit he wants up here.

Not to mention, that fucking extension that Parker's getting paid for starting next season. UGH.

[ElNono]

Tony isn't going anywhere, and Pop is gonna go to battle with him... given the monster contract he was handed, the Spurs better find a way to make him somewhat effective again...

[Nathan89]

Parker is trash and although we had these threads many times already I support the game night vent.

[ElNono]

Parker is trash and although we had these threads many times already I support the game night vent.

As I said in another thread, this will all go away once he turns a corner and plays good enough again...

[Johnny RIngo]

Tony isn't going anywhere, and Pop is gonna go to battle with him... given the monster contract he was handed, the Spurs better find a way to make him somewhat effective again...

PEDs aren't sanctioned by the NBA though

[Mikeanaro]

Please link me to these great games Joseph and Mills have had :lmao

Before Parker hurt his hamstring...

http://youtu.be/m79cwOCTy8c

http://youtu.be/R0xGFw_K8mo
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201501160SAS.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201501100MIN.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201411170SAS.html Cojo vs TP
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201412260NOP.html Cojo vs TP
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201412280SAS.html Cojo makes TP expendable
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201501030SAS.html Cojo + Patty
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201501130WAS.html Porky vs Patty +/-

Those videos are useless, he always do that shit while killing the team thank god it doesnt work anymore, if Beli is a FIAT Enrique is a Renault 9
http://ranwhenparkeddotnet.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/renault-9-louisiane-1.jpg?w=1200
Old, useless and made of cheap parts.

[lefty]

R9

[Mikeanaro]

Tony isn't going anywhere, and Pop is gonna go to battle with him... given the monster contract he was handed, the Spurs better find a way to make him somewhat effective again...
Towel boy tbh.

[ElNono]

PEDs aren't sanctioned by the NBA though

we're probably the only team to get caught if we use them, tbh

[Fuzzy Dunlop]

he will always have his player fans supporting him, so it won't change their opinion on him. you have to hope pop knows better and benches enrique.

[Mikeanaro]

he will always have his player fans supporting him, so it won't change their opinion on him. you have to hope pop knows better and benches enrique.
This is on Pop he benched Rique Ricardo during the finals and voila, now he doesnt want to give up his not so young player, hes done and Pop has good pieces to replace him, old stubborn farty man.

[Johnny RIngo]

^^:lmao Jesus, hyping games vs. the 27th and 21st ranked defenses in the NBA..is this really the point we have reached?

Reminds me of Kobe fans - posting highlight vids from his one or two good games this season while ignoring the twenty bad ones.

[Hoops Czar]

This is what happens when you run your offense through your overhyped offensive small forward. This is still your team Tony. Start acting like it.

[TheGreatYacht]

This is what happens when you run your offense through your overhyped offensive small forward. This is still your team Tony. Start acting like it.
Overhyped SF - 0 assists, -20
Parker - 8 assists, -7

Good point, tbh

[HI-FI]

seems like Parker is now the go to option when you want to tank a game, just play him a lot of minutes.

[ElNono]

The missed layups are frustrating, tbh... that used to be his bread and butter...

[dabom]

This is what happens when you run your offense through your overhyped offensive small forward. This is still your team Tony. Start acting like it.

Do you even watch the games or are you a boxscore warrior? Plusminus is so fucking mislead. Kawhi was the best player on the floor for the spurs. Hoops is bad at basketball I forgot.

[Johnny RIngo]

seems like Parker is now the go to option when you want to tank a game, just play him a lot of minutes.

French Josh Smith

[ElNono]

This is what happens when you run your offense through your overhyped offensive small forward. This is still your team Tony. Start acting like it.

Tony took the most shots in that 1st half, and we were still being down double-digits... but you can't pin everything on him. Defensively and offensively, Tiago has sucked, and the shitty rebounding has nothing to do with Tony, tbh...

[dabom]

Overhyped SF - 0 assists, -20
Parker - 8 assists, -7

Good point, tbh

How much sadness it must be to be in denial, and even sadder if you know better but just can't allow your hero to degrade right in front of you. :lol

[dabom]

French Josh Smith

:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

dabom spinning around the #'s per par

[apalisoc_9]

Not sure why Dabom continues to quote thegreatyaxt..he is by far the most irrelevant poster in spurstalk upstairs..Just ignore the dude.

[Hoops Czar]

Do you even watch the games or are you a boxscore warrior? Plusminus is so fucking mislead. Kawhi was the best player on the floor for the spurs. Hoops is bad at basketball I forgot.

=/- is misleadiong unless we're degrading Parker and showing Leonard's dominance. In what world is 8 assists (not counting the 6 or 7 he would have if his team could knock down open shots) and 6 rebounds (more than Leonard) a bad game? so he had a bad shooting night but, he was hardly an albatross. You really don't know shit.

[Malik Hairston]

Not sure why Dabom continues to quote thegreatyaxt..he is by far the most irrelevant poster in spurstalk upstairs..Just ignore the dude.

:lol..

[dabom]

=/- is misleadiong unless we're degrading Parker and showing Leonard's dominance. In what world is 8 assists (not counting the 6 or 7 he would have if his team could knock down open shots) and 6 rebounds (more than Leonard) a bad game? so he had a bad shooting night but, he was hardly an albatross. You really don't know shit.

Missing some turnovers too and you forget the defense that ain't on the boxscore. :lol

[dabom]

Not sure why Dabom continues to quote thegreatyaxt..he is by far the most irrelevant poster in spurstalk upstairs..Just ignore the dude.

I'll stop. That dude is a clown along with hoop faggot.

[TheGoldStandard]

Cory Joseph should be starting...

[Hoops Czar]

Missing some turnovers too and you forget the defense that ain't on the boxscore. :lol

Oh, I forgot that Leonard shutdown Matt "automatic" Barnes. I suppoe he's in the same class as CP3. logic 101.

[dabom]

Cory Joseph should be starting...

I was going to bring this up earlier. Maybe have manu as our starting pg.

[Johnny RIngo]

dabom spinning around the #'s per par

http://s5.postimg.org/gwvcjndef/floorc.png

[dabom]

Oh, I forgot that Leonard shutdown Matt "automatic" Barnes. I suppoe he's in the same class as CP3. logic 101.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F22t7CxmKUM

:lmao

[Hoops Czar]

I'll stop. That dude is a clown along with hoop faggot.


If you only had a basketball thought in that pin head of yours, you might be slightly above total ignorance.

[ElNono]

I was going to bring this up earlier. Maybe have manu as our starting pg.

We've discussed this before, and I don't even think it's out of the question, perhaps bringing Tony off the bench... Pop has done it before, IIRC.

[Hoops Czar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F22t7CxmKUM

:lmao

:lmao crunchtime

[TheGreatYacht]

http://s5.postimg.org/gwvcjndef/floorc.png
Your boy was arguing how the +/- stat was useless, and you bring it up :lol short bus

[TheGoldStandard]

Too much money going into Parker's bank for the Spurs to unload him but there have been crazier scenarios, maybe Bret Brown will want him and give us Michael Carter Williams, lol.. Enough jokes.. The way it is though Parker should be benched for sure and should take a back seat to Mills too.. The guy just can't string games together consistently.. Looks great against cupcakes and then doesn't have the heart to show up to games where he's matched against another good PG.

[Hoops Czar]

We've discussed this before, and I don't even think it's out of the question, perhaps bringing Tony off the bench... Pop has done it before, IIRC.

Ginobili is 36 years old and on a minutes restriction. Neither Cojo or Patty play well alongside Parker. You'd just end up with no production coming off the bench.

[Johnny RIngo]

Your boy was arguing how the +/- stat was useless, and you bring it up :lol short bus

Season numbers. How come Parker isn't in the top half with all the other good players?

[ElNono]

Ginobili is 36 years old and on a minutes restriction. Neither Cojo or Patty play well alongside Parker. You'd just end up with no production coming off the bench.

Well, Manu would still play his limited minutes. Cojo would basically take a back-seat, he really doesn't play well with either Tony or Manu, unless he's the PG and full-time ball handler... the idea would be to play Tony against lesser competition and see if he can get in any kind of offensive rhythm and gives us production out there. Right now he's either taking jumpers, or playing P&R with Tim, that's something Gino can do.

[dabom]

We've discussed this before, and I don't even think it's out of the question, perhaps bringing Tony off the bench... Pop has done it before, IIRC.

I'd do this. Parker can play with diaw since he likes feeding him the ball.

[TheGreatYacht]

Season numbers. How come Parker isn't in the top half with all the other good players?
Same reason no one is... Kawhi is leading the team in FGA's

[Hoops Czar]

Well, Manu would still play his limited minutes. Cojo would basically take a back-seat, he really doesn't play well with either Tony or Manu, unless he's the PG and full-time ball handler... the idea would be to play Tony against lesser competition and see if he can get in any kind of offensive rhythm and gives us production out there. Right now he's either taking jumpers, or playing P&R with Tim, that's something Gino can do.

Parker isn't dead yet and I haven't given up on him! He's settling for more and more jumpers but he has shown the ability to break down defense the last couple of games with his penetration to the rim. The results just aren't there.. He could have easily had double figures in assists tonight and eventhough his shot wasn't falling, it had nothing to do with the Clippers defense. He was in no way, shape or form the reason the Spurs lost tonight's game. I can point to any number of players that played like total shit. It's way to early to be making those kinds of drastic moves. If Pop does anything, he'd replace Parker with Cojo before he would Ginobili. Afterall, these are just "meaningless" regular season games. Players are "coasting" and still trying to work out the kinks.

[Johnny RIngo]

Same reason no one is...

Retard status confirmed. Nearly every player on the team is a plus this season according to that chart except for Ayres, Kyle, Marco, Daye....and Tony. Four of those guys are scrubs being paid peanuts - makes sense that their impact would be shitty. The fifth is the highest paid player on the team. Tony is essentially giving us production worse than most backup point guards while eating a large portion of the salary.


Kawhi is leading the team in FGA's

Kawhi and Parker have the same amount of FGA/game this season. Tony's USG% is higher though which makes your argument irrelevant.

[Juggity]

Not sure why anyone is even suggesting the possibility of trading Parker...there's a 0% chance that it will happen. He's earned the benefit of the doubt with the spurs org by taking cheaper contracts throughout his career and never bolting for bigger markets. It's ride or die with TP. He's not playing well right now, but he's a spur for life tbh.

imo, he should be shut down for a few weeks. Maybe the remainder of the RRT. Let the hamstring recover more fully.

[dabom]

Not sure why anyone is even suggesting the possibility of trading Parker...there's a 0% chance that it will happen. He's earned the benefit of the doubt with the spurs org by taking cheaper contracts throughout his career and never bolting for bigger markets. It's ride or die with TP. He's not playing well right now, but he's a spur for life tbh.

imo, he should be shut down for a few weeks. Maybe the remainder of the RRT. Let the hamstring recover more fully.

I'm good with this. Parker isn't even a role player at this point.

[Mikeanaro]

Not sure why anyone is even suggesting the possibility of trading Parker...there's a 0% chance that it will happen. He's earned the benefit of the doubt with the spurs org by taking cheaper contracts throughout his career and never bolting for bigger markets. It's ride or die with TP. He's not playing well right now, but he's a spur for life tbh.

imo, he should be shut down for a few weeks. Maybe the remainder of the RRT. Let the hamstring recover more fully.
The hammy does not make you dribble dribble or suffer from tunnel vision as a secondary effect, only makes you slower and might affect your layups floaters and teardrops but he is done, never cared to adapt his game to different paces you cant rely on athleticism forever, takes too many dumb shots too.

[Ditty]

:lol Parker isn't getting traded anytime soon. Be realistic lol.

[TheGoldStandard]

Maybe we can get Jose Calderon

[RD2191]

This is obviously a troll thread tbh but the dude sucks something fierce right now. Not convinced starting patty or cojo wouldn't be the right move. No way in hell they can play as bad as parker is right now.

[TheGoldStandard]

This is obviously a troll thread tbh but the dude sucks something fierce right now. Not convinced starting patty or cojo wouldn't be the right move. No way in hell they can play as bad as parker is right now.

Cory outplayed him all season, he should be starting and given a solid summer of developing his 3 ball and getting better with changing speeds he should probably be a shoe in to win the starting spot next season.

[daslicer]

He's going to have find a way to reinvent himself this summer. He will have to work really hard to become a great jump shooter because that is the only thing that will keep his career going from this point forward.

[TheGoldStandard]

He's going to have find a way to reinvent himself this summer. He will have to work really hard to become a great jump shooter because that is the only thing that will keep his career going from this point forward.


He needs to hook up with Andre Miller

[Johnny RIngo]

He's going to have find a way to reinvent himself this summer. He will have to work really hard to become a great jump shooter because that is the only thing that will keep his career going from this point forward.

Tony Parker Wants to Play 20 Years for the San Antonio Spurs

With the recent announcement of the two-year contract extension that will take (Kobe) Bryant to a 20th season with the Lakers, Parker has envisioned a similar run. ‘Why not?’ Parker said before the Spurs departed Oklahoma City for Friday’s game against the Magic at the Amway Center in Orlando. ‘The way I play, I think I can definitely play that long. When I see (Lakers point guard) Steve Nash being an All-Star at 38, I feel like I’ve got the same kind of game,’ he said. ‘Neither one of us jumps that much. We’re sort of like the kings of layups and great pick-and-roll players, so I can see myself playing that long, too.’

:lol comparing himself to one of the greatest shooters/passers in NBA history

[daslicer]

:lol comparing himself to one of the greatest shooters/passers in NBA history

Agreed that was insane for him to think he was like Nash when it comes to longevity. Nash had two things Tony doesn't have which is great shooting and great court vision. I think the first one can be learned but unfortunately second one can't be learned.

[RD2191]

Has Parker been hanging out with Kobe? Tbh.

[SupremeGuy]

I'd be in favor of trading him just to get away from his contract, tbh. We better not start getting soft and keep players on bad contracts cause they've always been "team guys." That's how franchises start declining.

Problem is, who's dumb enough to take on his contract?

[TheGoldStandard]

I'd be in favor of trading him just to get away from his contract, tbh. We better not start getting soft and keep players on bad contracts cause they've always been "team guys." That's how franchises start declining.

Problem is, who's dumb enough to take on his contract?

The Nets but they don't they have even worse talent

[RD2191]

I'd be in favor of trading him just to get away from his contract, tbh. We better not start getting soft and keep players on bad contracts cause they've always been "team guys." That's how franchises start declining.

Problem is, who's dumb enough to take on his contract?
This is an absolute truth nuke.

[Mikeanaro]

I'd be in favor of trading him just to get away from his contract, tbh. We better not start getting soft and keep players on bad contracts cause they've always been "team guys." That's how franchises start declining.

Problem is, who's dumb enough to take on his contract?
The Knicks or Detoilette.

[TheGoldStandard]

The Knicks or Detoilette.
Wouldn't be the first time that the Spurs offloaded someone to Detroit..

[ElNono]

Parker isn't dead yet and I haven't given up on him! He's settling for more and more jumpers but he has shown the ability to break down defense the last couple of games with his penetration to the rim. The results just aren't there.. He could have easily had double figures in assists tonight and eventhough his shot wasn't falling, it had nothing to do with the Clippers defense. He was in no way, shape or form the reason the Spurs lost tonight's game. I can point to any number of players that played like total shit. It's way to early to be making those kinds of drastic moves. If Pop does anything, he'd replace Parker with Cojo before he would Ginobili. Afterall, these are just "meaningless" regular season games. Players are "coasting" and still trying to work out the kinks.

I haven't given up on him either, and I'm not talking about just this game. But it's undeniable that if his jumper isn't falling, his offense looks like a train wreck this season. This is a guy we depend on 20pts or so every night, because he's young, should have the legs and talent, but it's not happening for him. Maybe try to get him going and in rhythm for a couple of games off the bench, see if he regains his confidence and gives the team a boost. These are generally meaningless regular season games, which is the reason you want use them to do some experiments like that. I wouldn't want Pop to wait until the playoffs to try something like it.

[lefty]

Has Parker been hanging out with Kobe? Tbh.
http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Kobe+Bryant+Tony+Parker+NBA+Star+Game+Performances +D814cRm7nYwl.jpg

[lefty]

Problem is, who's dumb enough to take on his contract?
http://lakers.topbuzz.com/images/nba/jim-buss-4.jpg

[ElNono]

He's going to have find a way to reinvent himself this summer. He will have to work really hard to become a great jump shooter because that is the only thing that will keep his career going from this point forward.

He said he would play for France this summer, I wonder if that's on hold now?

[TheGoldStandard]

He said he would play for France this summer, I wonder if that's on hold now?

I doubt it.. He will look like an MVP for them and be totally gassed coming into camp.

[superbigtime]

I love TP but he is playing like shit and he just can't seem to turn it around. Missed so many shots he typically used to make.

[RD2191]

http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Kobe+Bryant+Tony+Parker+NBA+Star+Game+Performances +D814cRm7nYwl.jpg
:lol

[SupremeGuy]

Has Parker been hanging out with Kobe? Tbh.Imagine that backcourt. :lol

[Mikeanaro]

Imagine that backcourt. :lol
That backcourt will definitely dominate every wheelchair basketball court of the galaxy.

[Sean Cagney]

Not sure why anyone is even suggesting the possibility of trading Parker...there's a 0% chance that it will happen. He's earned the benefit of the doubt with the spurs org by taking cheaper contracts throughout his career and never bolting for bigger markets. It's ride or die with TP. He's not playing well right now, but he's a spur for life tbh.

imo, he should be shut down for a few weeks. Maybe the remainder of the RRT. Let the hamstring recover more fully.What the hell would they trade him for anyways? What equal value would they get for Tony honestly? They would get less back and be a worse team overall, that would be a stupid trade and I agree with you. People act like we have a starting PG on the team and his value is sky high to trade, they are delusional in here. He is a Spur for life, they made sure of that.

[mkurts]

Not sure why anyone is even suggesting the possibility of trading Parker...there's a 0% chance that it will happen. He's earned the benefit of the doubt with the spurs org by taking cheaper contracts throughout his career and never bolting for bigger markets. It's ride or die with TP. He's not playing well right now, but he's a spur for life tbh.

imo, he should be shut down for a few weeks. Maybe the remainder of the RRT. Let the hamstring recover more fully.

Yes shutdown until the postseason to bring a 1st round exit

[SupremeGuy]

What the hell would they trade him for anyways? What equal value would they get for Tony honestly? They would get less back and be a worse team overall, that would be a stupid trade and I agree with you. People act like we have a starting PG on the team and his value is sky high to trade, they are delusional in here. He is a Spur for life, they made sure of that.Addition by subtraction, maybe? Trade Parker for a bunch of expirings? Getting rid of Parker and his contract means we could honestly afford to keep Green, sign Kawhi to the max, AND go after another max player next year right? I doubt CoJo would demand too much money so we could probably re-sign him for a modest contract and boom, we're back in business. This is all depends on whether or not the Spurs pull the trigger on a Parker trade though.

[TheGoldStandard]

Addition by subtraction, maybe? Trade Parker for a bunch of expirings? Getting rid of Parker and his contract means we could honestly afford to keep Green, sign Kawhi to the max, AND go after another max player next year right? I doubt CoJo would demand too much money so we could probably re-sign him for a modest contract and boom, we're back in business. This is all depends on whether or not the Spurs pull the trigger on a Parker trade though.

They won't.. they'll go down with the ship.

[Sean Cagney]

Addition by subtraction, maybe? Trade Parker for a bunch of expirings? Getting rid of Parker and his contract means we could honestly afford to keep Green, sign Kawhi to the max, AND go after another max player next year right? I doubt CoJo would demand too much money so we could probably re-sign him for a modest contract and boom, we're back in business. This is all depends on whether or not the Spurs pull the trigger on a Parker trade though.
Addition by subtraction? You think Mills or Corey will start on a playoff team? Who will trade him for expirings? This is the thanks you give a guy who played on 4 title teams and wants to be a Spur for life? Just trade him now? I like the other idea of going for another max player after those two but if Tim and Manu retire they still can right? If one retires they might even be able to. I want both back but they are going to retire sometime soon. Co Jo is not a starting PG IMO, he is decent but a backup honestly. Spurs will not be trading Parker man, that is far fetched and seriously you think they would even consider it?
They won't.. they'll go down with the ship.

Yes, he is a Spur for life whether some like it or not. They won't just trade a guy who has given alot to this team for 4 title runs, some hate on him but he has been a big part of the team whether he dissapeared at times etc. He has been huge for the Spurs.

[dabom]

Addition by subtraction? You think Mills or Corey will start on a playoff team? Who will trade him for expirings? This is the thanks you give a guy who played on 4 title teams and wants to be a Spur for life? Just trade him now? I like the other idea of going for another max player after those two but if Tim and Manu retire they still can right? If one retires they might even be able to. I want both back but they are going to retire sometime soon. Co Jo is not a starting PG IMO, he is decent but a backup honestly. Spurs will not be trading Parker man, that is far fetched and seriously you think they would even consider it?

If parker gets big minutes this playoffs, were going to lose. tony is not bigger than the team.

[Hoops Czar]

They won't.. they'll go down with the ship.

They need to sweeten the pot. Maybe they can package Parker, Splitter and a 1st in a deal with Detroit for Drummond and build for the future. They won't win a title with CoJo or Mills running the point this year or any year but, they'll at least have some building blocks in place. Get a solid pg in the offseason so Mills/Cojo can return to the bench and they might have a decent shot.

[SupremeGuy]

We can't start hanging on to players past their prime on bad contracts, just look at how that shit is destroying the fucking lakers! :lol

I don't see why CoJo and Patty can't be our PGs in the playoffs, tbh. They're better than current-Parker, so what's the argument? CoJo got us over the fucking hump last year in game 6 of the WCF and Patty was tearing niggas up in the finals. Really, tell me how current-Parker is better than either of those guys?

[Sean Cagney]

If parker gets big minutes this playoffs, were going to lose. tony is not bigger than the team.

If they go into the playoffs starting Joseph or Mills they are not going far in the playoffs either so you are fucked either way then.

[TheGoldStandard]

They need to sweeten the pot. Maybe they can package Parker, Splitter and a 1st in a deal with Detroit for Drummond and build for the future. They won't win a title with CoJo or Mills running the point this year or any year but, they'll at least have some building blocks in place. Get a solid pg in the offseason so Mills/Cojo can return to the bench and they might have a decent shot.

Splitter would be murdered 20 minutes upon arriving to Detroit, the Spurs would be investigated for being involved in his murder, it would be this whole fiasco and since he's kinda like a woman they'd make a big deal out of it.

[TheGoldStandard]

Cojo has shown that he can at least pass the ball frequently.. that's already miles ahead of Parker. He's also not a coward and will go hard to rim and try to dunk of guys like Ibaka

[Sean Cagney]

If parker gets big minutes this playoffs, were going to lose. tony is not bigger than the team.

If they go into the playoffs starting Joseph or Mills they are not going far in the playoffs either so you are fucked either way then.
We can't start hanging on to players past their prime on bad contracts, just look at how that shit is destroying the fucking lakers! :lol

I don't see why CoJo and Patty can't be our PGs in the playoffs, tbh. They're better than current-Parker, so what's the argument? CoJo got us over the fucking hump last year in game 6 of the WCF and Patty was tearing niggas up in the finals. Really, tell me how current-Parker is better than either of those guys?

Cojo is not a starting PG nor will he start in the playoffs. They are backups. We better hope Parker gets it together before the playoffs otherwise we are fucked as a team. That is just the truth.

[SupremeGuy]

If they go into the playoffs starting Joseph or Mills they are not going far in the playoffs either so you are fucked either way then.Why do you keep saying this like it's truth? lol There's zero evidence that supports that, meanwhile there's plenty of evidence that Parker is killing the team, both on the court and financially. He's basically becoming our kirby and it fucking sucks dick. Maybe we shouldn't have laughed at the lakers so much. lol

[SupremeGuy]

Cojo is not a starting PG nor will he start in the playoffs. They are backups. We better hope Parker gets it together before the playoffs otherwise we are fucked as a team. That is just the truth.Just cause you keep repeating it doesn't mean it's the truth. Current-Parker is a detriment to this team.

[SupremeGuy]

Splitter would be murdered 20 minutes upon arriving to Detroit, the Spurs would be investigated for being involved in his murder, it would be this whole fiasco and since he's kinda like a woman they'd make a big deal out of it.Splitter is another dude that has me worried. That fuck is up with him this year?

[Sean Cagney]

Just cause you keep repeating it doesn't mean it's the truth. Current-Parker is a detriment to this team.

Who cares Cojo is still not a starting PG in this league and you can hope for that all you want to but if he starts and Parker is out we are fucked. Like I said we as fans better hope Tony gets it together soon or atleast before the playoffs or the team is going nowhere.
Why do you keep saying this like it's truth? lol There's zero evidence that supports that, meanwhile there's plenty of evidence that Parker is killing the team, both on the court and financially. He's basically becoming our kirby and it fucking sucks dick. Maybe we shouldn't have laughed at the lakers so much. lol

It is true, they are not starting PG's. They are backups and that is where they will stay on any team likely. Most wanted to Trade Tony and keep Hill that one year, look at how George is doing in Indy when most thought he could be a starting PG in this league. I agree Parker is doing bad right now and his contract is high, but they are not going to trade him and we both know it. I hope he gets it together and soon or else the Spurs will not go far in the playoffs this year. LA gave Kobe a huge contract at 35 years old coming off a major injury, Tony did not have a major injury and who knew he would be this bad so far this year? Nobody saw that coming this fast.

[dabom]

If they go into the playoffs starting Joseph or Mills they are not going far in the playoffs either so you are fucked either way then.

I don't want to call you a parkertard so I wont. We won't win it all when parker is a shell of himself. It's hurting the team at josh smith levels. I have never seen such a black hole.
Cojo and patty arent 2013 mvp candidate parker but this version of parker isnt either. Parker isnt even better than cojo or patty at this point. I'f rather get a neutral play from those guys than a fucking cancer in parker.

[Hoops Czar]

Why do you keep saying this like it's truth? lol There's zero evidence that supports that, meanwhile there's plenty of evidence that Parker is killing the team, both on the court and financially. He's basically becoming our kirby and it fucking sucks dick. Maybe we shouldn't have laughed at the lakers so much. lol

Why do you say this like it isn't? I'm not laughing.

[TheGoldStandard]

Splitter is another dude that has me worried. That fuck is up with him this year?

Same thing that has been up with him forever.. He has no balls.

[dabom]

Who cares Cojo is still not a starting PG in this league and you can hope for that all you want to but if he starts and Parker is out we are fucked. Like I said we as fans better hope Tony gets it together soon or atleast before the playoffs or the team is going nowhere.

Parker isn't player in this league at this point. I'm sure the spurs will win another ship if parker gets dnp'ed the whole playoffs.

[dabom]

A pg that cant penetrate(lol), shoot, pass, defend, rebound. WTF is he playing for?

[apalisoc_9]

:lmao

[Sean Cagney]

I don't want to call you a parkertard so I wont. We won't win it all when parker is a shell of himself. It's hurting the team at josh smith levels. I have never seen such a black hole.
Cojo and patty arent 2013 mvp candidate parker but this version of parker isnt either. Parker isnt even better than cojo or patty at this point. I'f rather get a neutral play from those guys than a fucking cancer in parker.I agree he is playing bad and I am not a Parker tard nor a huge fan who sticks up for him all the time. I like him as a part of this team and he is struggling right now and that sucks and I wish he was playing better, right now it looks bad. I agree Cojo and Patty are not 2013 Tony by any means and Parker is not close either, that = SPURS FUCKED as of right now unless he gets it going and soon. Him not being better than those two is not a good sign either as they are not starting PG's in this league. The Spurs are in trouble if he doesn't get going by playoff time.
Parker isn't player in this league at this point. I'm sure the spurs will win another ship if parker gets dnp'ed the whole playoffs.

So a Parker DNP will win the finals this year? Okay. Lets just stroll out Cojo as the starter, he is the answer.

[TheGoldStandard]

The problem is that everyone including Pop are going through the motions and all the while we'll get closer and closer to the 8th seed and then fall out of the playoffs.

[Hoops Czar]

A pg that cant penetrate(lol), shoot, pass, defend, rebound. WTF is he playing for?

I'd ask you to stop posting but, that would just encourage you more.

[SupremeGuy]

Why do you say this like it isn't? I'm not laughing.Because we've seen both CoJo and Mills perform in the playoffs. Bitch, you're not even a Spurs fan. Of course you fucking hope we hang on to TP. You probably hope we give him another extension. Fuck you.

[SupremeGuy]

Parker isn't player in this league at this point. I'm sure the spurs will win another ship if parker gets dnp'ed the whole playoffs.That's too much truth to handle...

If CoJo and Mills aren't starters, then Parker isn't even a player.

[Sean Cagney]

The problem is that everyone including Pop are going through the motions and all the while we'll get closer and closer to the 8th seed and then fall out of the playoffs.
Bang........ And this about sums it all up here ^^^^^^

[Mikeanaro]

PLEASE GOD I dont want another playoff run with a hobbled Parker dribbling dribbling and then driving to the post while every other players is a mannequin, I prefer 2 younger PGs at least trying to win than seeing the same predictable plays all over again, Mills is a much better shooter and is not afraid in the Playoffs and Corey is improving his overall game, I know Dear God that you cant make another Manu or Tim but you can make a Parker any second of the week so please bench him we need something different this time and Pop is ruining it...help his crazy mind to be reasonable.

[TheGoldStandard]

I'm just waiting to see the announcement, Austin Toros welcome Tony Parker to the club

[dabom]

I'd ask you to stop posting but, that would just encourage you more.

I'd ask you to kill yourself but then I'd go to jail for bullying a suicide victim.

[RD2191]

SupremeGuy going ham.

[SupremeGuy]

I agree he is playing bad and I am not a Parker tard nor a huge fan who sticks up for him all the time. I like him as a part of this team and he is struggling right now and that sucks and I wish he was playing better, right now it looks bad. I agree Cojo and Patty are not 2013 Tony by any means and Parker is not close either, that = SPURS FUCKED as of right now unless he gets it going and soon. Him not being better than those two is not a good sign either as they are not starting PG's in this league. The Spurs are in trouble if he doesn't get going by playoff time.

So a Parker DNP will win the finals this year? Okay. Lets just stroll out Cojo as the starter, he is the answer.Leaving him on the bench so he can pout, moan, and be a generally unsupportive bitch? Nah, but trading him and hopefully getting either something decent in return or a bunch of expiring contracts might.

[TheGoldStandard]

Leaving him on the bench so he can pout, moan, and be a generally unsupportive bitch? Nah, but trading him and hopefully getting either something decent in return or a bunch of expiring contracts might.

The more and more I watch this season the more I come to realize the writing on the wall.. Every empire has to fall... that's where we are heading. Let's not toil in mediocrity for too long. Gotta move contracts and players while they still have value.

[RD2191]

If Tony's offense goes he is a useless player. That's the only thing he is good at it. And so far this season it's been gone.

[TheGoldStandard]

If Tony's offense goes he is a useless player. That's the only thing he is good at it. And so far this season it's been gone.

I heard he grills a pretty mean burger

[SupremeGuy]

The more and more I watch this season the more I come to realize the writing on the wall.. Every empire has to fall... that's where we are heading. Let's not toil in mediocrity for too long. Gotta move contracts and players while they still have value.Exactly. Tim is the rock and is still playing at an elite level. Manu can still tear other team's 2nd units up. Tony is basically the only piece that we should consider trading and we better do it soon before his value falls through the floor.

[Hoops Czar]

Because we've seen both CoJo and Mills perform in the playoffs. Bitch, you're not even a Spurs fan. Of course you fucking hope we hang on to TP. You probably hope we give him another extension. Fuck you.

You're a fucking clown using the past to show how Cojo and Patty are beneficial while using the present to discredit Parker. There's such a thing called benefit of the doubt.:lmao Parker has never performed well in the playoffs. I'd tell you to lay off the crack but I fear I'm already too late.. Your posts are more nonsensical than Honey Boo Boo marathon.

[dabom]

Exactly. Tim is the rock and is still playing at an elite level. Manu can still tear other team's 2nd units up. Tony is basically the only piece that we should consider trading and we better do it soon before his value falls through the floor.

We benched RJ. Can we atleast bench tony?

[TheGoldStandard]

Exactly. Tim is the rock and is still playing at an elite level. Manu can still tear other team's 2nd units up. Tony is basically the only piece that we should consider trading and we better do it soon before his value falls through the floor.
Tiago too.. When Jeff Ayres looks better by comparison you know you have problems.

[dabom]

You're a fucking clown using the past to show how Cojo and Patty are beneficial while using the present to discredit Parker. There's such a thing called benefit of the doubt.:lmao Parker has never performed well in the playoffs. I'd tell you to lay off the crack but I fear I'm already too late.. Your posts are more nonsensical than Honey Boo Boo marathon.

Ahh the village idiot.

[SupremeGuy]

You're a fucking clown using the past to show how Cojo and Patty are beneficial while using the present to discredit Parker. There's such a thing called benefit of the doubt.:lmao Parker has never performed well in the playoffs. I'd tell you to lay off the crack but I fear I'm already too late.. Your posts are more nonsensical than Honey Boo Boo marathon.Are you fucking stupid? He said that CoJo and Patty can't compete in the playoffs and I'm using last year's playoffs as my example that they can. We're not in the playoffs right now so I can't compare it to the present, you fucking dumb bitch.

[Hoops Czar]

Ahh the village idiot.

Are you still here?

[RD2191]

I heard he grills a pretty mean burger
:lol

[SupremeGuy]

Ahh the village idiot.Seriously, fuck that guy. You need to prove that CoJo and Mills will perform in this coming playoffs, but you can't use last year's playoffs as an example. :cry

[dabom]

Seriously, fuck that guy. You need to prove that CoJo and Mills will perform in this coming playoffs, but you can't use last year's playoffs as an example. :cry

:lol

[Mikeanaro]

Seriously, fuck that guy. You need to prove that CoJo and Mills will perform in this coming playoffs, but you can't use last year's playoffs as an example. :cry

[Hoops Czar]

Are you fucking stupid? He said that CoJo and Patty can't compete in the playoffs and I'm using last year's playoffs as my example that they can. We're not in the playoffs right now so I can't compare it to the present, you fucking dumb bitch.

He said... "If they go into the playoffs starting Joseph or Mills they are not going far in the playoffs either so you are fucked either way then." Where did you get "can't compete" from? I swear, Is English your second language? The Spurs won as a "team" last year. Last I checked, There's no "I" in team. Both of them did just fine coming off the bench playing alongside Manu. Funny how Parker gets all the blame for everybody else playing so poorly. Somebody's got to be the scapegoat.

[dabom]

Can we have a parody vote to ban that hoop guy? :lol

[Sean Cagney]

Leaving him on the bench so he can pout, moan, and be a generally unsupportive bitch? Nah, but trading him and hopefully getting either something decent in return or a bunch of expiring contracts might.
Who the hell are they going to get for him? Will the Spurs FO trade him? I seriously doubt it. We can bitch about this and that in here and trade him all day but he will continue to start on this team and be here at the end of the season. Is he playing bad? YES and we know it. I hope he can turn it around because he is a big part of this team but if not he will still be starting here like it or not. Decent in return? Good luck getting good value at this point at his age with the mileage he has and his contract, nobody will bite on that for a decent trade.

[dabom]

where's elnono when you need him?

[Hoops Czar]

Can we have a parody vote to ban that hoop guy? :lol

Tweedledee and Tweedledumber.

[SupremeGuy]

Can we have a parody vote to ban that hoop guy? :lol:lol

[Hoops Czar]

Who the hell are they going to get for him? Will the Spurs FO trade him? I seriously doubt it. We can bitch about this and that in here and trade him all day but he will continue to start on this team and be here at the end of the season. Is he playing bad? YES and we know it. I hope he can turn it around because he is a big part of this team but if not he will still be starting here like it or not. Decent in return? Good luck getting good value at this point at his age with the mileage he has and his contract, nobody will bite on that for a decent trade.

SupremeGuy has his balls in his mouth again. The Spurs won't even entertain thoughts of trading Parker. I remember when Duncan was finished after the '11 season and Ginobili after the '10 season. Wonder if there'd be a 5th if the Spurs let either of those players walk.

[dabom]

Who the hell are they going to get for him? Will the Spurs FO trade him? I seriously doubt it. We can bitch about this and that in here and trade him all day but he will continue to start on this team and be here at the end of the season. Is he playing bad? YES and we know it. I hope he can turn it around because he is a big part of this team but if not he will still be starting here like it or not. Decent in return? Good luck getting good value at this point at his age with the mileage he has and his contract, nobody will bite on that for a decent trade.

I don't know what the FO can do but we need to cut our loses. I'm sure waiving josh smith hurt at first. I'm not saying to waive him but we need that cap space to build around kawhi in the future.

[dabom]

SupremeGuy has his balls in his mouth again. The Spurs won't even entertain thoughts of trading Parker. I remember when Duncan was finished after the '11 season and Ginobili after the '10 season. Wonder if there'd be a 5th if the Spurs let either of those players walk.

:lmao

[daslicer]

It will be hard to trade Parker since no team would be willing to take his big contract considering that he's on a serious decline.

[Hoops Czar]

:lmao

Intelligent post! Will read again.

[ElNono]

where's elnono when you need him?

I'm here, tbh... :lol

[dabom]

I'm here, tbh... :lol

Tell them all about your "mod" friend and make this poll real. :lol

[dabom]

Elnono can never miss a good tony roast. :lol

[ElNono]

:lol everybody knows Hoops already, tbh... more puzzling is that people still argue with him...

[ElNono]

Elnono can never miss a good tony roast. :lol

:lol the casual trolling was fine, but he got me worried this season. I know it sounds cliché, but we need all the guns we can get, Tony included. If he's not up to par, our margin of error becomes smaller and smaller...

[ElNono]

I was actually watching Games 3 and 4 of the Finals a couple days ago, and even though it was against Mario Chalmers, he looked a whole lot better than he does nowadays. Not MVParker like, but still considerably better. He attacked the paint, had that floater going... current Tony is really unrecognizable...

[dabom]

:lol the casual trolling was fine, but he got me worried this season. I know it sounds cliché, but we need all the guns we can get, Tony included. If he's not up to par, our margin of error becomes smaller and smaller...

I even made a tony appreciation thread but he is done. He'll probably have a good bounce back game vs some shitty team and all the parkertards will come out in full force only to hide after more miserable performances by tony.
In 2013 I remember tony would get benched and the offense would slow down and even stagnant at times. We were mediocre at times on offense but the spurs have so many offensive weapons now. This team evolves and tony isn't evolving with it.

[Sean Cagney]

I don't know what the FO can do but we need to cut our loses. I'm sure waiving josh smith hurt at first. I'm not saying to waive him but we need that cap space to build around kawhi in the future.Okay that can happen after this year or next year then, this is their last run IMO with this team and they know it. This is the last year they are all together IMO (Depends on what happens in the playoffs) so they will let that play out and then try to go from there and build for the future. Tim is here next year I believe but Manu? Need to re-sign Kawhi and Green and then try to get another piece for the future. Parkers contract will be hard to move at this point.
I was actually watching Games 3 and 4 of the Finals a couple days ago, and even though it was against Mario Chalmers, he looked a whole lot better than he does nowadays. Not MVParker like, but still considerably better. He attacked the paint, had that floater going... current Tony is really unrecognizable...

He looks bad.

[spurraider21]

as ive been saying all year, the scariest part of Parker's decline isn't the outcome of this season... it's that his 3 year max extension hasn't even kicked in yet :lol

[dabom]

Pop "so tony, you're old and ur speed is declining , you got a lot of mileage, and you could barely make it to the finish line 2 years in a row and you play lots of international ball, how much do you want"

Tony "3 year max extension"

Pop"ok then, sign right here"

:lol

[spurraider21]

The missed layups are frustrating, tbh... that used to be his bread and butter...
this. in the first half he was actually getting to the rim nearly at will. when the first couple didn't drop, i still saw it positively, as he was attacking better than I'd seen for the past few months... but then he kept missing them. strange

[Hoops Czar]

:lol everybody knows Hoops already, tbh... more puzzling is that people still argue with him...

Oh, don't flatter yourself Nono. I don't visit the forum to earn brownie points making small talk with the smalltown yokels. If people don't share my views or opinions, I could really care less. If you don't like what I have to say, nobody's sticking a gun to your head forcing you to reply. As for those who think Parker is the root of all evils in San Antonio, They need a bitter taste of reality. Last I checked, Parker wasn't guarding Blake Griffin or getting clowned on the boards by DeAndre Jordan. The team has issues that run deeper than Parker but, if you want to run with the wolves and use Parker as the scapegoat. you have at it. I won't argue with you!

[HI-FI]

as ive been saying all year, the scariest part of Parker's decline isn't the outcome of this season... it's that his 3 year max extension hasn't even kicked in yet :lol
cosigned, i was explaining that to my brother, who is a slightly more casual spursfan than i am. i was trying to explain the dark clouds hanging over the team with that contract and the shit sandwich Parker has been offering up lately.

[spurraider21]

cosigned, i was explaining that to my brother, who is a slightly more casual spursfan than i am. i was trying to explain the dark clouds hanging over the team with that contract and the shit sandwich Parker has been offering up lately.
well, luckily his max deal equated to about 13-15 mil per year, which is at least manageable (unlike that faggot making 25 mil :lol) and the cap is expected to shoot up. but still, its gna be really ugly in 2-3 years

[dabom]

Oh, don't flatter yourself Nono. I don't visit the forum to earn brownie points making small talk with the smalltown yokels. If people don't share my views or opinions, I could really care less. If you don't like what I have to say, nobody's sticking a gun to your head forcing you to reply. As for those who think Parker is the root of all evils in San Antonio, They need a bitter taste of reality. Last I checked, Parker wasn't guarding Blake Griffin or getting clowned on the boards by DeAndre Jordan. The team has issues that run deeper than Parker but, if you want to run with the wolves and use Parker as the scapegoat. you have at it. I won't argue with you!

We didn't lose because of him entirely but a very good part goes to him. 30 mins and 5 points for the best offensive weapon and the best defender gets 24 points. :lmao Might I add if he aint scoring he pretty much isnt doing any other shit.
The whole team knows they need to pick up the slack when tony plays and he pretty much deflates their temperament. Have you ever worked with a cancer? Everyone knows your takes are bad and you should feel bad.

[dabom]

Goddam it. No more talking to hoops. Dude is recycle bin.

[Malik Hairston]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q6gl2qy

[Hoops Czar]

We didn't lose because of him entirely but a very good part goes to him. 30 mins and 5 points for the best offensive weapon and the best defender gets 24 points. :lmao Might I add if he aint scoring he pretty much isnt doing any other shit.
The whole team knows they need to pick up the slack when tony plays and he pretty much deflates their temperament. Have you ever worked with a cancer? Everyone knows your takes are bad and you should feel bad.

He scored 5 but accounted for 16+ more via assists and could have easily had double digits had his teammates been able to knockdown open shots. He wasn't nearly the Albatross he's being made out to be. His defense has been in a downward spiral for three years but, that hasn't stopped the Spurs from winning. They won a championship despite Tony's supposedly poor Finals performance. It isn't just Parker that's the problem. One of the reasons the Spurs were so successful last year was because they didn't have to rely on one player to carry the load.

[dabom]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q6gl2qy

:lol

[HI-FI]

well, luckily his max deal equated to about 13-15 mil per year, which is at least manageable (unlike that faggot making 25 mil :lol) and the cap is expected to shoot up. but still, its gna be really ugly in 2-3 years
i don't mind if the Spurs tank a season post TD, let Parker heroball away to his heart's content. But if he gets worse, how much will that contract restrict the team if they aren't able to unload it? what would be the ceiling?

[Malik Hairston]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nz6qx49

[spurraider21]

i don't mind if the Spurs tank a season post TD, let Parker heroball away to his heart's content. But if he gets worse, how much will that contract restrict the team if they aren't able to unload it? what would be the ceiling?
i would definitely mind tanking. for the past 15 years, the spurs consistency has been the yin to my raiders yang :lol

[apalisoc_9]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nz6qx49

I like this better than the last one..Bass has more to offer than Luis at this point.

[Malik Hairston]

I like this better than the last one..Bass has more to offer than Luis at this point.

True, but I'll take anything for Parker outside of Derrick Rose, tbh:lol..as long as he's no longer wearing a Spurs jersey..

[SupremeGuy]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q6gl2qyThat's some twilight zone shit right there, tbh. :lol

[FireMicoHalili]

We didn't lose because of him entirely but a very good part goes to him. 30 mins and 5 points for the best offensive weapon and the best defender gets 24 points. :lmao Might I add if he aint scoring he pretty much isnt doing any other shit.
The whole team knows they need to pick up the slack when tony plays and he pretty much deflates their temperament. Have you ever worked with a cancer? Everyone knows your takes are bad and you should feel bad.
not a Parker apologist, but if you're going to focus on just one stat...how come Kawhi has a worse +/- in almost the same amount of minutes? Team worst, to be exact. Also who was Leonard supposed to guard? Barnes? Redick? Paul?

[dabom]

not a Parker apologist, but if you're going to focus on just one stat...how come Kawhi has a worse +/- in almost the same amount of minutes? Team worst, to be exact. Also who was Leonard supposed to guard? Barnes? Redick? Paul?

Let me ask you first, what stat do you want to use to evaluate a player? Then I'll crush your idea of parker been remotely useful this year. Just let me know.

[Boomersgold]

Parker clearly wasn't playing well in the first, but Pop still plays him 11 minutes. Then he subs Patty on and immediately subs him off in favour of Cojo. Then decides that Cojo wasn't playing well and subs in Patty as the back up in the second half. Mills and Cojo are being punished for Parker's subpar play.

[FireMicoHalili]

Let me ask you first, what stat do you want to use to evaluate a player? Then I'll crush your idea of parker been remotely useful this year. Just let me know.
(1) I didn't say he was remotely useful this year, but thanks for letting us know the agenda, if it hasn't been painfully obvious already. I just asked a question. Could use an answer instead of a defensive, butthurt retort.
(2) It's "has been", not "been"
(3) As regards point #2 I guess you've been too busy tracking Parker's stats to learn any real English at all.
(4) You haven't explained Leonard's worse +/- in this particular game, by the way. It's a fair question yes?

[dabom]

(1) I didn't say he was remotely useful this year, but thanks for letting us know the agenda, if it hasn't been painfully obvious already. I just asked a question. Could use an answer instead of a defensive, butthurt retort.
(2) It's "has been", not "been"
(3) As regards point #2 I guess you've been too busy tracking Parker's stats to learn any real English at all.
(4) You haven't explained Leonard's worse +/- in this particular game, by the way. It's a fair question yes?

First of all, you can get rid of the comma between agenda and if. You don't need a pause there. Secondly, I can spell and write freely as I want and I could give zero fucks. Thirdly, I don't put much stock in plusminus. I actually think it's a laughable statistic. Very misleading. Ask anyone on these boards and they'll tell you the same about my opinion. Did you watch the game at all? That'll explain 100% of it.

[weeks]

Supreme, rob..you guys may be right about Parker..but don't even pretend your ass wouldn't be a little nervous starting cory or patty in the finals

[rasuo214]

I think most people know you can't really make proper assessments off of +/- for 1 game. Kawhi played a lot more minutes with the bench (Bonner, Diaw, Manu, Patty, Cojo) than the other starters did and the bench didn't have a good night.

[dabom]

I think most people know you can't really make proper assessments off of +/- for 1 game. Kawhi played a lot more minutes with the bench (Bonner, Diaw, Manu, Patty, Cojo) than the other starters did and the bench didn't have a good night.

It's not fair to kawhi that the players mailed it in when he was on the floor. Bad luck. Had nothing to do with him.

[FireMicoHalili]

First of all, you can get rid of the comma between agenda and if. You don't need a pause there. Secondly, I can spell and write freely as I want and I could give zero fucks. Thirdly, I don't put much stock in plusminus. I actually think it's a laughable statistic. Very misleading. Ask anyone on these boards and they'll tell you the same about my opinion. Did you watch the game at all? That'll explain 100% of it.
Aw man we're going round in circles here. You could just say you don't know, it's totally fine. I mean if you could lay out every facet of a bad season from Tony Parker surely you can answer one question about this particular game; telling me to watch the game is a lazy answer if you have the time to "crush [my] idea of Parker being remotely useful this season", a premise I didn't even bring up in the first place, because it's been a bad season for Parker. I've even proposed a Parker-Teague trade before, if things don't work out. Just this game, mate, we're not talking about comparing their games, their stats, or any other detail where Leonard edges Parker. Just needed an explanation is all, it's quite odd. I'm well aware RAPM and PER heavily side in favor of Leonard here, but how can the team's top scorer (and best defender) have a net negative on this particular game?

My 'error' was an 'error' in emphasis, yours was on tense. Nice try though bro.

[rasuo214]

It's not fair to kawhi that the players mailed it in when he was on the floor. Bad luck. Had nothing to do with him.

It isn't fair to look at anyone's +/- for 1 game, tonight the bench didn't bring the spark it usually does. It happens. The problem is when it starts becoming a trend and afaik Kawhi has the 2nd best +/- on the team (I think Patty is #1 and Manu is #3).

[dabom]

Aw man we're going round in circles here. You could just say you don't know, it's totally fine. I mean if you could lay out every facet of a bad season from Tony Parker surely you can answer one question about this particular game; telling me to watch the game is a lazy answer if you have the time to "crush [my] idea of Parker being remotely useful this season", a premise I didn't even bring up in the first place, because it's been a bad season for Parker. I've even proposed a Parker-Teague trade before, if things don't work out. Just this game, mate, we're not talking about comparing their games, their stats, or any other detail where Leonard edges Parker. Just needed an explanation is all, it's quite odd. I'm well aware RAPM and PER heavily side in favor of Leonard here, but how can the team's top scorer (and best defender) have a net negative on this particular game?

My 'error' was an 'error' in emphasis, yours was on tense. Nice try though bro.

Kawhi did have a negative +/-. Does that mean he had a negative impact on the actual game? He was the best player on the spurs if you actually watched the game. That's why I asked you. The players around kawhi just played poorly when he was there. The L was on his teammates.
ps no one gives a fuck about spelling. Am I being graded here?

[dabom]

It isn't fair to look at anyone's +/- for 1 game, tonight the bench didn't bring the spark it usually does. It happens. The problem is when it starts becoming a trend and afaik Kawhi has the 2nd best +/- on the team (I think Patty is #1 and Manu is #3).

please explain that to firekid here.

[FireMicoHalili]

It isn't fair to look at anyone's +/- for 1 game, tonight the bench didn't bring the spark it usually does. It happens. The problem is when it starts becoming a trend and afaik Kawhi has the 2nd best +/- on the team (I think Patty is #1 and Manu is #3). dabom could have easily answered this way and discussion could have ended right there, but instead we got an ad hominem with snark that fails so much and "it's not fair to Kawhi :depressed". This is irksome. There are Spurs fans and there are player fans, and the latter just keep on looking for people to blame.

[FireMicoHalili]

please explain that to firekid here.
you could have, but you didn't cause you're dumb

[Texas_Ranger]

Don't need to trade him, just bench him and play him 15 minutes. Perhaps after 2 months he'll be ready and not play like a bitch. Right now he's hurting the team.

[Chinook]

Still like the Kings idea of Collison, Williams and a first-round swap. Would give the Spurs room to sign Cory and have a max slot open while also giving them a young PG and a lottery pick. Too good to be true, but I think the Kings would consider it.

[SupremeGuy]

you could have, but you didn't cause you're dumbHe had already gone over it earlier in the thread with TGY, he was probably just annoyed at having to go over it again. Or maybe he thought you would be like TGY and not understand that using one game to judge +/- isn't very smart... who knows?

[SupremeGuy]

Still like the Kings idea of Collison, Williams and a first-round swap. Would give the Spurs room to sign Cory and have a max slot open while also giving them a young PG and a lottery pick. Too good to be true, but I think the Kings would consider it.That's a good idea, tbh.

[Diego20]

Retard status confirmed. Nearly every player on the team is a plus this season according to that chart except for Ayres, Kyle, Marco, Daye....and Tony. Four of those guys are scrubs being paid peanuts - makes sense that their impact would be shitty. The fifth is the highest paid player on the team. Tony is essentially giving us production worse than most backup point guards while eating a large portion of the salary.



Kawhi and Parker have the same amount of FGA/game this season. Tony's USG% is higher though which makes your argument irrelevant.

/thread

Where is Perry Mason? :cry

[NASpurs]

Entertaining thread tbh :tu

[FireMicoHalili]

He had already gone over it earlier in the thread with TGY, he was probably just annoyed at having to go over it again. Or maybe he thought you would be like TGY and not understand that using one game to judge +/- isn't very smart... who knows?
Nah mate, I wanted to see if he can argue without being overly emotional about Parker's bad season, because not every Spurs fan in fact is a 'mainstream big three fan' or whatever contrarians like to call them. I'm well aware Parker's having the worst season so far, and it's obvious from his body language and advanced statistics (50+ among all PGs in RAPM, PER around the 15s). The fact he couldn't answer my question without senseless snark is the real problem. I have no qualms saying Kawhi Leonard is the best player, but his 'underground' fans are...how do I say this properly...particularly dickish about it (how hard is it to type "you can't judge a player with just one game"; took him three replies and help from another poster). Then there's the other flaw: he used just one facet of the game to argue which of them is the better player, an apples and oranges comparison, and on just one statistic (PTS, if you've been reading so far). If arguing on just +/- is dumb, isn't arguing on the arena of points scored just as dumb too?. There just really is no ground for sensible discussion here and it's probably going to be that way.

[boutons_deux]

Tim + Tony + Manu = 11 pts in 78 minutes.

Spurs offense has been shit for weeks now.

[EVAY]

I really don't give a whit if Parker gets traded.

My only question is, who is gonna get blamed for all the teams' woes after that? Because the FACT is, that Tony is not the only problem this year, and getting rid of him would NOT lead us to the promised land.

[TheGoldStandard]

Still like the Kings idea of Collison, Williams and a first-round swap. Would give the Spurs room to sign Cory and have a max slot open while also giving them a young PG and a lottery pick. Too good to be true, but I think the Kings would consider it.

You really do like Williams.

[Chinook]

You really do like Williams.

Not this year. He's for salary ballast. Would much rather have Thompson for on-court value.

[BackHome]

Not going to hate on Tony it is pretty obvious that he is still playing with a bad hammy so he can't do what he does best. As far as trading him not going to happen no way does Pop sign off on it and no way does Timmy sign off on it..

[TheGoldStandard]

Not going to hate on Tony it is pretty obvious that he is still playing with a bad hammy so he can't do what he does best. As far as trading him not going to happen no way does Pop sign off on it and no way does Timmy sign off on it..
After this off season they may not have to.

[TheGoldStandard]

Not this year. He's for salary ballast. Would much rather have Thompson for on-court value.

Thompson would be interesting off the bench. I see a lot of cracks in the foundation just because of age, I'm sure RC and Pop have planned for the future but there just seems to be no indication that they'll do anything to bolster the lineup before Duncan/Manu retire.. It'll be a mad scramble when the time comes to fill in the gaps and get young.

[Chinook]

Thompson would be interesting off the bench. I see a lot of cracks in the foundation just because of age, I'm sure RC and Pop have planned for the future but there just seems to be no indication that they'll do anything to bolster the lineup before Duncan/Manu retire.. It'll be a mad scramble when the time comes to fill in the gaps and get young.

Yeah, for Thompson, his contract is the issue. The team needs to save some money to open a max slot, and Collison and the ninth pick already take up a good deal of cap space. The Kings may insist on him (or Landry) being in the deal just to offload some future salary, but I'd be reluctant.

[TheGoldStandard]

Yeah, for Thompson, his contract is the issue. The team needs to save some money to open a max slot, and Collison and the ninth pick already take up a good deal of cap space. The Kings may insist on him (or Landry) being in the deal just to offload some future salary, but I'd be reluctant.

Package Tiago in the deal too to free up cap space.. With the potential of Duncan retiring at the end of this season the front court will need a huge makeover

[hitmantb]

I have watched the Spurs since David Robinson days, when was the last time Spurs received a top 10 or even top 20 player via free agency and/or trades?

[hitmantb]

And yeah, Spurs would trade away a member of the big three, the year AFTER they won their sweetest championship ever.

Show a little respect and appreciation. Tony is going to retire as a Spur UNLESS he requests a trade which will never happen.

After Duncan/Manu retire this team is going nowhere and Tony will play out his contract healthy, the same way Dwayne Wade will end his career as a Heat. Both rely on speed, both have seen dramatic declines last a few years, both will have contracts that include appreciation $$$ for the championships they won in the past and so beloved in their cities, that is the way it is.

[apalisoc_9]

:cry

[Calispursfan11]

I tend to agree with El Nanu and Great Yuck at least slightly. I think the Parker cliff jumping is premature tbh. If he can recover healthwise, he's gonna be fine and can beast again. I am personally more concerned about Splitter sucking ass and also the mental effect of Tim's lawsuit and apparent devastating financial loss on Timmy and the team as a whole. If they can get past these rough patches though watch out. Last year's Spurs, if we can find them, would demolish Atlanta 4-1 in the finals.

[Diego20]

I tend to agree with El Nanu and Great Yuck at least slightly. I think the Parker cliff jumping is premature tbh. If he can recover healthwise, he's gonna be fine and can beast again. I am personally more concerned about Splitter sucking ass and also the mental effect of Tim's lawsuit and apparent devastating financial loss on Timmy and the team as a whole. If they can get past these rough patches though watch out. Last year's Spurs, if we can find them, would demolish Atlanta 4-1 in the finals.

Expected coming from you as you have that avatar picture..

[Calispursfan11]

Expected coming from you as you have that avatar picture..

Diego, you should root for enrique tbh since you are both from latin america.

[Diego20]

Diego, you should root for enrique tbh since you are both from latin america.

me and who else? o.O

[Calispursfan11]

me and who else? o.O

Enrique is a latin american name tbh.

[Malik Hairston]

Still like the Kings idea of Collison, Williams and a first-round swap. Would give the Spurs room to sign Cory and have a max slot open while also giving them a young PG and a lottery pick. Too good to be true, but I think the Kings would consider it.

If we're speaking from an on-court perspective, I'd rather go with Joseph/Mills at PG, going forward, tbh..Collison is one of the most overrated PGs in the NBA IMO..obviously it's a moot point, since there's a 0.0001% chance that the Spurs trade Enrique this year..

[benstanfield]

RAPM 2014-15

20. Cory Joseph +1.81




40. Patty Mills +0.50












































79. Ray MCcallum -0.82
80. Tony Parker -1.40
81. Jarret Jack
82. Zach Lavine
(List Ends)

[apalisoc_9]

three more years

:depressed

[weebo]

We already knew Parker could be easily be held in check if one or both his wheels were busted. He's a one trick pony that needs speed and quickness to be effective. And I agree the guy has been playing like shit ever since he wrecked his hamstring. I'll reserve judgement on the guy because he is obviously not healthy. I know most of the morons want him gone/traded (same morons that wanted GHill starting over Parker :lol), but the thing is the Spurs won't win if Parker is not playing at his best this year. If Manu and Tim decide to call it quits, I'm all for trading Parker for a pick or a young player. For now he needs to play so he can figure things out, because his play will determine how far this team goes this season.

[Malik Hairston]

We already knew Parker could be easily be held in check if one or both his wheels were busted. He's a one trick pony that needs speed and quickness to be effective. And I agree the guy has been playing like shit ever since he wrecked his hamstring. I'll reserve judgement on the guy because he is obviously not healthy. I know most of the morons want him gone/traded (same morons that wanted GHill starting over Parker :lol), but the thing is the Spurs won't win if Parker is not playing at his best this year. If Manu and Tim decide to call it quits, I'm all for trading Parker for a pick or a young player. For now he needs to play so he can figure things out, because his play will determine how far this team goes this season.

I never wanted George Hill ahead of Parker, mostly because Hill isn't a real PG, but the Spurs won a title last year with Parker playing mediocre basketball, they can do it again, tbh..

As we're seeing in Chicago, a high-usage PG that has a game based on athleticism/speed and scoring kills his team when he can no longer play at a high level..Parker and Rose actually have similar numbers, this year, and they're both hurting their respective teams with their cancerous brand of basketball..

People seem to forget why Pop had that patronizing "wired" moment with Parker in last year's playoffs..he was praising him for getting out of the way of the rest of the team:lol..

[weebo]

I never wanted George Hill ahead of Parker, mostly because Hill isn't a real PG, but the Spurs won a title last year with Parker playing mediocre basketball, they can do it again, tbh..

As we're seeing in Chicago, a high-usage PG that has a game based on athleticism/speed and scoring kills his team when he can no longer play at a high level..Parker and Rose actually have similar numbers, this year, and they're both hurting their respective teams with their cancerous brand of basketball..

People seem to forget why Pop had that patronizing "wired" moment with Parker in last year's playoffs..he was praising him for getting out of the way of the rest of the team:lol..

So what do you suggest...starting Cojo or Mills the rest of the season? :lol The only chance the Spurs have this season of doing any kind of damage in the PO's is with Parker at the point. Does he need to do better running the team and playing at least competent defense? Of course, all point guards do. That is why I suggest he continues to play so that god willing he can figure out a way to help the team instead of being a hinderance. I don't like the way he's been playing either (although I feel it is mostly due to injury), but Parker playing significant minutes in the PO's gives the team a better chance to win. Not Cojo or Mills.

[benstanfield]

So what do you suggest...starting Cojo or Mills the rest of the season? :lol The only chance the Spurs have this season of doing any kind of damage in the PO's is with Parker at the point. Does he need to do better running the team and playing at least competent defense? Of course, all point guards do. That is why I suggest he continues to play so that god willing he can figure out a way to help the team instead of being a hinderance. I don't like the way he's been playing either (although I feel it is mostly due to injury), but Parker playing significant minutes in the PO's gives the team a better chance to win. Not Cojo or Mills.

Not sure how much longer you can make this case when we're over half way through the season and none of our best lineups feature Parker, and we've been significantly better when he's been off the court. On/Off splits have our best 5man lineup as Patty, Manu, Kawhi, Boris, Tim.

[benstanfield]

https://public.tableausoftware.com/profile/arturo.galletti#!/vizhome/WinsProduceddaytoday/WinsProducedDaytoDay

[Mikeanaro]

So what do you suggest...starting Cojo or Mills the rest of the season? :lol The only chance the Spurs have this season of doing any kind of damage in the PO's is with Parker at the point. Does he need to do better running the team and playing at least competent defense? Of course, all point guards do. That is why I suggest he continues to play so that god willing he can figure out a way to help the team instead of being a hinderance. I don't like the way he's been playing either (although I feel it is mostly due to injury), but Parker playing significant minutes in the PO's gives the team a better chance to win. Not Cojo or Mills.
More Parker will mean missing the playoffs at this point.

[cd021]

Package Tiago in the deal too to free up cap space.. With the potential of Duncan retiring at the end of this season the front court will need a huge makeover

Maybe in a sign and trade scenario, otherwise I wouldn't. Splitter is an above average center and is only 30 while making less than $9 million. He probably maxes at 70 games, and 27 mpg though, so a good backup would be a must. In that Collision+pick swap scenario with Thompson added the Spurs would fill 3 roster for only $100,000 more than with Parkers on the books.


They would have around $18.6 million in cap space if they move Mills to carve out more space.

[MarioSpeedwagon]

I haven't given up on him either, and I'm not talking about just this game. But it's undeniable that if his jumper isn't falling, his offense looks like a train wreck this season. This is a guy we depend on 20pts or so every night, because he's young, should have the legs and talent, but it's not happening for him.
Dude's 32 thats the same age Isiah, KJ, and other quickness based point guards started to decline at. Shouldn't be surprising and you shouldn't fault him for it. If he was 25 or fat like Raymond Felton and playing this way I can understand shitting on him all day for it but he just got old

[MarioSpeedwagon]

Addition by subtraction, maybe? Trade Parker for a bunch of expirings? Getting rid of Parker and his contract means we could honestly afford to keep Green, sign Kawhi to the max, AND go after another max player next year right? I doubt CoJo would demand too much money so we could probably re-sign him for a modest contract and boom, we're back in business. This is all depends on whether or not the Spurs pull the trigger on a Parker trade though.
I dont see what team with 14 million cap space would take that contract on and use up all their cap space on it. He's a quickness based point guard entering into his mid 30s. Dumber things have happened but it would surprise me