Struggle Wilson is GARBAGE

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[rogues]

:lol That faggot cuck spurraider21

[Ghazi]

that was on the coach 100% ... an inexcusably bad playcall

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lmao SR
:lmao Avante

[jeebus]

https://i.imgur.com/yeqfPOV.jpg

[spurraider21]

monumental mistake... ruined what was a damn good game he played and should have been a walk-in touchdown

[Clipper Nation]

monumental mistake... ruined what was a damn good game he played and should have been a walk-in touchdown

A "damn good game"? Did you even watch the game? :lol

[spurraider21]

A "damn good game"? Did you even watch the game? :lol
yeah, he was playing a damn good game until that last throw. would have been bigger if Kearse didn't drop a perfect throw earlier.

but he fucked up in the worst possible way to end it

[ploto]

that was on the coach 100% ... an inexcusably bad playcall
He is still the guy who threw the ball.

[Clipper Nation]

yeah, he was playing a damn good game until that last throw. would have been bigger if Kearse didn't drop a perfect throw earlier.

but he fucked up in the worst possible way to end it

He was flat-out abysmal for most of the first half. Even in the second half, he was mostly getting lucky on some deep throws. He really didn't play that good of a game, tbh.

[spurraider21]

He was flat-out abysmal for most of the first half. Even in the second half, he was mostly getting lucky on some deep throws. He really didn't play that good of a game, tbh.
their first 2-3 possessions were ugly, but as they routinely showed, there was literally nowhere to throw :lol

after that point they moved the ball pretty easily and wilson was making plays. you can call them getting lucky but they were all well placed balls. he played a damn good game and got them down the field. and then they made one of the worst play calls in nfl history and lost the game

[Clipper Nation]

their first 2-3 possessions were ugly, but as they routinely showed, there was literally nowhere to throw :lol

after that point they moved the ball pretty easily and wilson was making plays. you can call them getting lucky but they were all well placed balls. he played a damn good game and got them down the field. and then they made one of the worst play calls in nfl history and lost the game
You're Philo-ing again. There was definitely a couple times where he had open receivers but he aimlessly scrambled around and chucked up terrible throws or got dropped for a loss.

[spurraider21]

You're Philo-ing again. There was definitely a couple times where he had open receivers but he aimlessly scrambled around and chucked up terrible throws or got dropped for a loss.
they were showing the coverage on all those plays :lol... you're talking out of your ass

if you want to harp on wilson, stick to the last pick. there's not much to scoff at prior to that

[DeadlyDynasty]

"played a damn good game"..to be fair this is the same guy who said RW played a "great" game last SB--despite having <100 yds passing until it was 29-0. Take the fanboyism w/ a grain of salt

[Kawhi]

No shit, also the bum ass receiver ran a drag route instead of a slant, terrible call

[Avante]

A "damn good game"? Did you even watch the game? :lol

I was in a room with about a dozen guys, all have forgotten more about the game than your dumbsss will ever know, everyone was in awe of RW, only a total moron like you wouldn't get it.

[Avante]

You're Philo-ing again. There was definitely a couple times where he had open receivers but he aimlessly scrambled around and chucked up terrible throws or got dropped for a loss.

Dude, you sure you saw the game? Yo appear to be talking about a whole different game than what was actually played.

[Clipper Nation]

I was in a room with about a dozen guys, all have forgotten more about the game than your dumbsss will ever know, everyone was in awe of RW, only a total moron like you wouldn't get it.

I was in awe of Struggle too.... in awe of someone playing so horribly in the two biggest games of his career to date (NFC title game, Super Bowl) while being sucked off as a franchise QB.

[spurraider21]

"played a damn good game"..to be fair this is the same guy who said RW played a "great" game last SB--despite having <100 yds passing until it was 29-0. Take the fanboyism w/ a grain of salt
you dont think he played a damn good game prior to that last throw?

obviously, the last throw is what will be remembered and is the one that matters the most... but i dont think its fair to say "he's a shit qb" after playing a strong game then making a bonehead error

[chunticakes]

He sucked. Last play he should've audibled to a HB dive.

[chunticakes]

:cry I wanna be a hero :cry

[Avante]

I was in awe of Struggle too.... in awe of someone playing so horribly in the two biggest games of his career to date (NFC title game, Super Bowl) while being sucked off as a franchise QB.

Stupid, last seasons SB (two, remembe dummy?) was a tad bit bigger than the NFC title game, ya reckon? Do you ever get anything right, ever?

Let's see what kind of $$$$$ this record breaking QB gets, ok moron?

Nobody is thinking the Pats won that game and we all know it. They got lucky and we all saw it.

[pgardn]

Wilson was not the problem in this game.

If Wilson had changed the play from a Lynch run, this would be different.
The play should have never been called, it's an inside pick, there are way too many folks close to the ball. And you got Lynch, it's an inexcusable call putting the QB in a horrible spot.

[pgardn]

you dont think he played a damn good game prior to that last throw?

obviously, the last throw is what will be remembered and is the one that matters the most... but i dont think its fair to say "he's a shit qb" after playing a strong game then making a bonehead error

The call was much worse than the throw.

[DeadlyDynasty]

you dont think he played a damn good game prior to that last throw?

obviously, the last throw is what will be remembered and is the one that matters the most... but i dont think its fair to say "he's a shit qb" after playing a strong game then making a bonehead error
He played 2 good quarters and 2 bad ones, so it's hard to call that a damn good game. He's not a shit QB, but he made one of the shittiest throws in SB history.

All it proves is what his detractors have said all along--he's just a game manager who should play second-fiddle in his own backfield

[Darth_Pelican]

you dont think he played a damn good game prior to that last throw?

obviously, the last throw is what will be remembered and is the one that matters the most... but i dont think its fair to say "he's a shit qb" after playing a strong game then making a bonehead error

He only had 12 completions the entire game with a 57% completion percentage, which is below average in today's NFL. One of those completions was that miracle catch on the last drive. How is that considered "damn good?"

[spurraider21]

He played 2 good quarters and 2 bad ones, so it's hard to call that a damn good game. He's not a shit QB, but he made one of the shittiest throws in SB history.

All it proves is what his detractors have said all along--he's just a game manager who should play second-fiddle in his own backfield
basically any QB outside the elite (Rodgers, Brady, Luck, Brees) would be best off playing second-fiddle to marshawn lynch when your most dangerous receiving threat is a guy who hadn't caught a pass in his career

[spurraider21]

He only had 12 completions the entire game with a 57% completion percentage, which is below average in today's NFL. One of those completions was that miracle catch on the last drive. How is that considered "damn good?"
prior to the pass he was 12-20 for 247 yards with 2 TD's and no picks. that was good for a QBR of 137

even after the pick was QBR was above 110 :lol

you can say he only had 12 completions but they averaged 21 yards a pop, not to mention Kearse dropping what should have been an easy catch on a picture perfect ball.

[Clipper Nation]

Stupid, last seasons SB (two, remembe dummy?) was a tad bit bigger than the NFC title game, ya reckon? Do you ever get anything right, ever?
Nope, this year's playoff run was bigger. Struggle needed wins in which he dominated in order to validate his media-anointed status as an elite quarterback and to prove that last season wasn't a fluke. He proceeded to play Ryan Lindley/Joe Webb caliber football in the NFC title game and get bailed out by Green Bay's retarded coaching staff. Then he took almost an entire half of the Super Bowl off and threw an atrocious game-losing pick. Now it's abundantly clear he's nothing more than a game manager on a stacked team.


Let's see what kind of $$$$$ this record breaking QB gets, ok moron?
The rest of the NFC is hoping and praying Struggle becomes the highest-paid QB in football. That means Seattle's run is over and Dallas and Arizona can take the next step.


Nobody is thinking the Pats won that game and we all know it. They got lucky and we all saw it.
At least we can agree on that, the Pats did get lucky as hell that Seattle tried to make their game-manager QB look like a hero. Belichick not taking a timeout would have gone down as one of the dumbest calls in Super Bowl history if not for Struggle.

[Trainwreck2100]

He played 2 good quarters and 2 bad ones, so it's hard to call that a damn good game. He's not a shit QB, but he made one of the shittiest throws in SB history.

All it proves is what his detractors have said all along--he's just a game manager who should play second-fiddle in his own backfield

c'mon now let's wait till he gets paid and hamstrings his franchise before we make such statements

[DeadlyDynasty]

Blaming Kearse for a drop, but completely disregarding his Top-5 SB catch that put them in position to win...man you're shameless:lol

[spurraider21]

c'mon now let's wait till he gets paid and hamstrings his franchise before we make such statements
yeah, i mean when he gets paid they might lose some receiving weapons like Ricardo Lockette and Chris Matthews :lmao

[spurraider21]

Blaming Kearse for a drop, but completely disregarding his Top-5 SB catch that put them in position to win...man you're shameless:lol
if you're going to give all the credit to Kearse for that catch then Kearse equally deserves the blame for the drop

[pgardn]

He only had 12 completions the entire game with a 57% completion percentage, which is below average in today's NFL. One of those completions was that miracle catch on the last drive. How is that considered "damn good?"

His receivers were covered well on almost every play.
And he made some terrific runs to get them out of trouble.

Also, you don't need to pass when you got Lynch running it.
That said, it was not a great game by Wilson, but it definitely was not bad.

[Avante]

He played 2 good quarters and 2 bad ones, so it's hard to call that a damn good game. He's not a shit QB, but he made one of the shittiest throws in SB history.

All it proves is what his detractors have said all along--he's just a game manager who should play second-fiddle in his own backfield

Anyone who thinks RW is a game manager knows ...0...about football. Watch how much this "game manager" gets when his contract is up. What "game manager" makes that kind of $$$$$?

[Avante]

His receivers were covered well on almost every play.
And he made some terrific runs to get them out of trouble.

Also, you don't need to pass when you got Lynch running it.
That said, it was not a great game by Wilson, but it definitely was not bad.

So you saw the game also, I wish the dummies talking shit had.

[Clipper Nation]

yeah, i mean when he gets paid they might lose some receiving weapons like Ricardo Lockette and Chris Matthews :lmao
You mean guys who actually stepped up with the game on the line instead of choking like Struggle?

[Trainwreck2100]

His receivers were covered well on almost every play.
And he made some terrific runs to get them out of trouble.

Also, you don't need to pass when you got Lynch running it.
That said, it was not a great game by Wilson, but it definitely was not bad.
throwing the interception that loses your team the championship makes it a bad game.

[chunticakes]

Man you're reaching. Wilson had a decent game at best but ultimately he fucked it up. His defense gave him a chance and he threw a pick.

[Avante]

Blaming Kearse for a drop, but completely disregarding his Top-5 SB catch that put them in position to win...man you're shameless:lol

How much time was on the clock, plenty of time to move the ball.

[spurraider21]

You mean guys who actually stepped up with the game on the line instead of choking like Struggle?
who threw the ball on every catch they made :lol

and look at you suddenly turning heel after the game ended. in the game thread you were the one that kept saying "Kearse's drop is what lost the game"

[spurraider21]

Man you're reaching. Wilson had a decent game at best but ultimately he fucked it up. His defense gave him a chance and he threw a pick.
when you say his defense gave him a chance, are you referring to the back to back touchdown drives that the Pats had just gone on? :lol

[Avante]

Man you're reaching. Wilson had a decent game at best but ultimately he fucked it up. His defense gave him a chance and he threw a pick.


Brady threw two picks.

[DeadlyDynasty]

basically any QB outside the elite (Rodgers, Brady, Luck, Brees) would be best off playing second-fiddle to marshawn lynch when your most dangerous receiving threat is a guy who hadn't caught a pass in his career
and the excuses begin:lol

To be fair, that unknown receiver can't be judged fairly till he's played at least one season with another QB (Tate, Harvin, and Rice all having career years before or after Wilson).

[Clipper Nation]

Anyone who thinks RW is a game manager knows ...0...about football. Watch how much this "game manager" gets when his contract is up. What "game manager" makes that kind of $$$$$?

:lol Avante "logic": if a player gets overpaid, he must automatically be good! Percy Harvin = best player in football!

[Clipper Nation]

who threw the ball on every catch they made :lol

and look at you suddenly turning heel after the game ended. in the game thread you were the one that kept saying "Kearse's drop is what lost the game"

I also called Struggle's pick before it happened.

[spurraider21]

and the excuses begin:lol

To be fair, that unknown receiver can't be judged fairly till he's played at least one season with another QB (Tate, Harvin, and Rice all having career years before or after Wilson).
not making excuses. i'm on the "they could have gone with Lynch instead of throwing the ball at the 1" wagon... it was an obvious call and they blew it. basically any team in the NFL should hand the ball of to lynch every time in that situation, not specific to wilson

[DeadlyDynasty]

How much time was on the clock, plenty of time to move the ball.
Certainly plenty of time to run the ball

[chunticakes]

Brady threw two picks.

Who threw the game clinching pick with 20 seconds left from the 1 yard line?

[Avante]

You mean guys who actually stepped up with the game on the line instead of choking like Struggle?

Did you see the NFC title game? Dude, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Clipper Nation]

Did you see the NFC title game? Dude, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, I saw Struggle go 8-22 and throw 4 interceptions in regulation.

[pgardn]

throwing the interception that loses your team the championship makes it a bad game.

Bad decision definitely.
The call put him in that position.

If if he just chunks it away, that's a horrible thing to do on that down.
Its M.Lynch, it's not that hard. Even Brady would have been stunned by that call with only 1 time out.

[chunticakes]

Did you see the NFC title game? Dude, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The one where Russell Wilson threw 4 picks and his legendary defense bailed him out? If so yes...

[spurraider21]

I also called Struggle's pick before it happened.

its easy to say that when you are hedging your bets literally 1 minute apart :lol


Struggle's about to throw a pick, just watch.


Another choke by Kearse to seal the game for the Pats.

[ploto]

Brady threw two picks.
Brady threw 2 ints in 50 passes. Wilson 1 int in 21 passes.

[spurraider21]

Yeah, I saw Struggle go 8-22 and throw 4 interceptions in regulation.
so in that game, wilson plays like complete dogshit for 55 minutes, but finishes strong in a win --- gets no credit
in todays game, wilson plays good ball for 59 minutes, finishes laughably --- gets all the blame?

[DeadlyDynasty]

not making excuses. i'm on the "they could have gone with Lynch instead of throwing the ball at the 1" wagon... it was an obvious call and they blew it. basically any team in the NFL should hand the ball of to lynch every time in that situation, not specific to wilson
Bad play call, but I think it's safe to say none of the real elites would've thrown a 1-yd pick...that was a Jeff Tuel-quality throw

[spurraider21]

Bad play call, but I think it's safe to say none of the real elites would've thrown a 1-yd pick...that was a Jeff Tuel-quality throw
it was a Brady-getting-picked-off-by-Wagner-intended-for-Gronk quality throw

defender jumped the route expertly on a ball that shouldn't have been thrown.

[Clipper Nation]

so in that game, wilson plays like complete dogshit for 55 minutes, but finishes strong in a win --- gets no credit
in todays game, wilson plays good ball for 59 minutes, finishes laughably --- gets all the blame?

:lol Since when did he play good ball for 59 minutes? He played average ball at best and got bailed out numerous times.

[Avante]

:lol Avante "logic": if a player gets overpaid, he must automatically be good! Percy Harvin = best player in football!


:lolClipper Nation "logic" : I ignore the fact RW is histories only two time SB QB after just three seasons. I ignore the fact he was....one foot....away from being histories only two time winning QB in their first three seasons. I ignore the fact he's done things never seen before by anyone.

[spurraider21]

:lol Since when did he play good ball for 59 minutes? He played average ball at best and got bailed out numerous times.
137 qbr to that point against a defense that clowned andrew luck

[Avante]

:lol Since when did he play good ball for 59 minutes? He played average ball at best and got bailed out numerous times.


Dude, are you for real, did you....really...see the game. RW played great just as Al and Chris were telling your dumb ass.

Damn you're dumb, wow~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Clipper Nation]

:lolClipper Nation "logic" : I ignore the fact RW is histories only two time SB QB after just three seasons. I ignore the fact he was....one foot....away from being histories only two time winning QB in their first three seasons. I ignore the fact he's done things never seen before by anyone.
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh90/bbeal29/404d4f8a1931850cc8638831e41dd05f_zpsf8ded45d.jpg

[Clipper Nation]

137 qbr to that point against a defense that clowned andrew luck

If Luck had Lynch and that defense, he wouldn't be getting "clowned."

[spurraider21]

If Luck had Lynch and that defense, he wouldn't be getting "clowned."
not sure what the defense had to do with wilson's individual performance. Lynch had a really strong game too, and should have punched it in for the gw touchdown. as i've said all year, he's their best player on offense

[DeadlyDynasty]

so in that game, wilson plays like complete dogshit for 55 minutes, but finishes strong in a win --- gets no credit
in todays game, wilson plays good ball for 59 minutes, finishes laughably --- gets all the blame?
You're such an idiot--in what world did he play "good ball" in the first quarter?

This is why you lose the majority of arguments on here (including all the ones we have)...you lack the evidence to support your arguments--par the course for a fanboi--and worse than that you're not even compelling. You're never gonna make it, guy.

[Pelicans78]

137 qbr to that point against a defense that clowned andrew luck

That's impossible when 100 is the highest QBR possible.

[Avante]

If Luck had Lynch and that defense, he wouldn't be getting "clowned."

Hell guy his Stanford stats are inferior to what RW put him in the NCAA, just like they are in the NFL.
Give RW Lucks receivers and he's not relying on Lynch as much.

Do you know anything at all about...passer rating/QBR...?

[Clipper Nation]

Hell guy his Stanford stats are inferior to what RW put him in the NCAA, just like they are in the NFL.
Give RW Lucks receivers and he's not relying on Lynch as much.

Do you know anything at all about...passer rating/QBR...?
:lmao College stats

[spurraider21]

You're such an idiot--in what world did he play "good ball" in the first quarter?

This is why you lose the majority of arguments on here (including all the ones we have)...you lack the evidence to support your arguments--par the course for a fanboi--and worse than that you're not even compelling. You're never gonna make it, guy.
I "lose" here by nothing but popular opinion. The Seahawks fans on this board are notoriously quiet. The rest of this forum goes out of its way to bag on wilson

Just look at this place. The pats win a Superbowl and theres more threads about wilson than anything :lol

[spurraider21]

That's impossible when 100 is the highest QBR possible.
158.3 is the max

[Pelicans78]

158.3 is the max

No you're thinking of passer rating. QBR is a different stat. Was his passer rating 137 before the pick? It would make sense since he had 2 TDs, no picks and over 10 yards per attempt all before the last INT.

[LkrFan]

Wilson is gonna need some serious therapy after this choke job. BAAAAHAHAHAHAHA! :rollin :lmao :rollin

[LkrFan]

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh90/bbeal29/404d4f8a1931850cc8638831e41dd05f_zpsf8ded45d.jpg

:lol

[spurraider21]

No you're thinking of passer rating. QBR is a different stat. Was his passer rating 137 before the pick? It would make sense since he had 2 TDs, no picks and over 10 yards per attempt all before the last INT.
no, tbh

http://i.imgur.com/YZZy4j2.jpg?2

[Malik Hairston]

Who cares whether he had a good game or not, up until the last play?

He had one of the worst games in NFL history last week, until he changed the entire narrative with some clutch throws..the media and fans were eating his ass after those throws in the 4th and OT..

If you're going to ignore everything minus the most important plays in the game, then all that matters is that Wilson committed one of the biggest choke jobs in NFL history, tbh..

[Avante]

:lmao College stats

Can't you read faggot, AND...ALSO...in the NFL, go away dummy check it out.

[Avante]

Who cares whether he had a good game or not, up until the last play?

He had one of the worst games in NFL history last week, until he changed the entire narrative with some clutch throws..the media and fans were eating his ass after those throws in the 4th and OT..

If you're going to ignore everything minus the most important plays in the game, then all that matters is that Wilson committed one of the biggest choke jobs in NFL history, tbh..

And how many...third...year QB 's come close to what he has done in that time period? There is nobody ever who started out their career better. Go ahead try and find one, you can't!

[Malik Hairston]

And how many...third...year QB 's come close to what he has done in that time period? There is nobody ever who started out their career better. Go ahead try and find one, you can't!

What does that have to do with tonight's historic choke job?

Do you agree that he choked, Avante?

[spurraider21]

Who cares whether he had a good game or not, up until the last play?

He had one of the worst games in NFL history last week, until he changed the entire narrative with some clutch throws..the media and fans were eating his ass after those throws in the 4th and OT..

If you're going to ignore everything minus the most important plays in the game, then all that matters is that Wilson committed one of the biggest choke jobs in NFL history, tbh..
he did. it was a poor decision all around. worst playcall in NFL history... but even then it was a season-killing decision to make that throw. my point in all this is that you can't take 1 throw and define a player by it. saying "lol he threw a pick he's a shit qb" is just casual fans overreacting

[Pelicans78]

no, tbh

http://i.imgur.com/YZZy4j2.jpg?2

That stat is passer rating. QBR has a max of 100 while passer rating has a max of 158.3.

[Pelicans78]

And how many...third...year QB 's come close to what he has done in that time period? There is nobody ever who started out their career better. Go ahead try and find one, you can't!

Kurt Warner

[Ice009]

Dude, you sure you saw the game? Yo appear to be talking about a whole different game than what was actually played.

What do those people think about Lynch, and that play call in particular?

[spurraider21]

That stat is passer rating. QBR has a max of 100 while passer rating has a max of 158.3.
not sure about your eyesight when the stat there clearly reads QBRat

you are being confused about "ESPN's Total QBR" as opposed to the NFL's accepted QBR stat

[chunticakes]

What does that have to do with tonight's historic choke job?

Do you agree that he choked, Avante?

OWNED.

[Avante]

What does that have to do with tonight's historic choke job?

Do you agree that he choked, Avante?

Not even remotely close to a choke, you actually saw that as a choke, wow~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Pelicans78]

not sure about your eyesight when the stat there clearly reads QBRat

I know what it reads, but that's incorrect. QBR is a different stat from passer rating. What you posted was incorrect by whatever website you were using. QBR has a max of 100 while passer rating is 158.3. Just look it up.

[Pelicans78]

Not even remotely close to a choke, you actually saw that as a choke, wow~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The way the game ended was a choke whether it was Wilson or the team.

[Avante]

OWNED.

Why do you even bother little guy?

[Ice009]

And how many...third...year QB 's come close to what he has done in that time period? There is nobody ever who started out their career better. Go ahead try and find one, you can't!

I'll take Kurt Warner's first 3 years as a starter over Russell Wilson any day of the week.

[Clipper Nation]

Not even remotely close to a choke, you actually saw that as a choke, wow~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Couldn't even complete a pass until the second quarter
3-10 on third down
Spotted a ten-point lead and couldn't score for the rest of the game
Game-losing interception after a miracle bailout catch by Kearse

Where is the argument for it not being a choke?

[DeadlyDynasty]

I "lose" here by nothing but popular opinion. The Seahawks fans on this board are notoriously quiet. The rest of this forum goes out of its way to bag on wilson
No, you lose because you say insanely stupid shit like Wilson played a "great" game last year--when he was pedestrian at best until the game was essentially over at 29-0. Then you said he played a damn good game until that last throw (possibly the worst unintentional INT in SB history, mind you), when he did nothing in the entire first quarter and led them to nothing in the 4th quarter.

It's just stupid shit all around from you.

[Avante]

The way the game ended was a choke whether it was Wilson or the team.

Come on man, all this talk would be totally different if RW just hands off to Lynch. They lost the game on a stupid call. A handoff and we are all telling a whole different story, and...we all know this.

[spurraider21]

I know what it reads, but that's incorrect. QBR is a different stat from passer rating. What you posted was incorrect by whatever website you were using. QBR has a max of 100 while passer rating is 158.3. Just look it up.
bro. you're trying to hard to make a point. you keep referring to ESPN's Total QBR

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Quarterback_Rating

[Malik Hairston]

Not even remotely close to a choke, you actually saw that as a choke, wow~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In what universe is throwing an INT from the 1-yard line with the SB on the line and 1 minute remaining not a choke? :lol come on, A..

[spurraider21]

Not even remotely close to a choke, you actually saw that as a choke, wow~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
what?

literally the only thing he had to do was NOT throw an interception

[Avante]

No, you lose because you say insanely stupid shit like Wilson played a "great" game last year--when he was pedestrian at best until the game was essentially over at 29-0. Then you said he played a damn good game until that last throw (possibly the worst unintentional INT in SB history, mind you), when he did nothing in the entire first quarter and led them to nothing in the 4th quarter.

It's just stupid shit all around from you.

I saw the same the game that Al and Chris saw. What you had the volume turned off?

Dude, you are only about 100% wrong, again!

[Clipper Nation]

Come on man, all this talk would be totally different if RW just hands off to Lynch. They lost the game on a stupid call. A handoff and we are all telling a whole different story, and...we all know this.

Agreed, it's stupid to try to make Dilfer 2.0 look like a hero. Should have just given it to Team Leader Lynch, the real reason why Seattle wins.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I mean, it'd be one thing if 1 of those 2 good quarters he played was a Doug Williams-like quarter, but it was 2 pretty good quarters surrounded by 2 bad ones. That's mediocrity

[Pelicans78]

bro. you're trying to hard to make a point. you keep referring to ESPN's Total QBR

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Quarterback_Rating

Didn't you say QBR in an earlier post? That's what Total QBR is.

[spurraider21]

Didn't you say QBR in an earlier post? That's what Total QBR is.
here, does this make you happy

Passer rating (also known as quarterback rating, QB rating, or passing efficiency in college football) is a measure of the performance of passers, primarily quarterbacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback), in American football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football)and Canadian football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_football).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passer_rating#cite_note-NFLQBRating-1) There are two formulae currently in use: one used by both the National Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League) (NFL) and Canadian Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Football_League) (CFL), and the other used in NCAA football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_football). Passer rating is calculated using a player's passing attempts, completions, yards, touchdowns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchdown), and interceptions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interception). Since 1973, passer rating has been the official formula used by the NFL to determine its passing leader.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passer_rating#cite_note-b-2)
Passer rating in the NFL is on a scale from 0 to 158.3.




i said QBR to abbreviate Quarterback Rating or QB Rating :lol

based on the number i gave, it was clear what i was referring to, instead you were trying to be ChumpDumper for some reason

[DeadlyDynasty]

I saw the same the game that Al and Chris saw. What you had the volume turned off?

Dude, you are only about 100% wrong, again!
Ok, what are Wilson's combined #'s in the 1st and 4th quarters--and do those #'s constitute good football?

[Avante]

what?

literally the only thing he had to do was NOT throw an interception

To even ty and throw a pass that short with traffic all around was stupid. He's not the off cordinator.

What everyone keeps ignoring is this is a third year QB with two SB's already. That in it's self is...wow~~~~~~

[Ghazi]

The Wilson hate on here is absolutely jealousy and ridiculous. nobody claims this guy to be a top 5 QB and yet peoppe blast on him for being a star on a really good team on here. Wilson deserves most of his praise... Wins matter in the NFL and his first 3 years are ridiculous 6-2 playoffs 1 ring 2 superbowls.

[DeadlyDynasty]

In what universe is throwing an INT from the 1-yard line with the SB on the line and 1 minute remaining not a choke? :lol come on, A..
:lolRussell Tuel

[Pelicans78]

here, does this make you happy

Passer rating (also known as quarterback rating, QB rating, or passing efficiency in college football) is a measure of the performance of passers, primarily quarterbacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback), in American football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football)and Canadian football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_football).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passer_rating#cite_note-NFLQBRating-1) There are two formulae currently in use: one used by both the National Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League) (NFL) and Canadian Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Football_League) (CFL), and the other used in NCAA football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_football). Passer rating is calculated using a player's passing attempts, completions, yards, touchdowns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchdown), and interceptions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interception). Since 1973, passer rating has been the official formula used by the NFL to determine its passing leader.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passer_rating#cite_note-b-2)
Passer rating in the NFL is on a scale from 0 to 158.3. Passing efficiency in college football is on a scale from -731.6 to 1261.6.


137 qbr to that point against a defense that clowned andrew luck

You said QBR which refers to the ESPN stat. That's all I was saying. So you got it wrong just like predicting the Seahawks would win.

[Pelicans78]

To even ty and throw a pass that short with traffic all around was stupid. He's not the off cordinator.

What everyone keeps ignoring is this is a third year QB with two SB's already. That in it's self is...wow~~~~~~

He's not the offensive coordinator, but he still threw a bad pass.

[Ice009]

Kurt Warner was also on pace to shatter/obliterate every single passing record in his second season until he broke his hand. He was never quite the same after breaking his hand, but before that injury, he was on fire. I would have loved to have seen what kind of season he could have had if he hadn't broken his hand.

[Avante]

Ok, what are Wilson's combined #'s in the 1st and 4th quarters--and do those #'s constitute good football?

Where did he play bad football? Dude.....a foot...from winning two SB's in three seasons. You really don't get this do you?

[spurraider21]

You said QBR which refers to the ESPN stat. That's all I was saying. So you got it wrong just like predicting the Seahawks would win.
QBR is an abbreviation for quarterback rating.

and did i actually make that prediction?

[Clipper Nation]

The Wilson hate on here is absolutely jealousy and ridiculous. nobody claims this guy to be a top 5 QB and yet peoppe blast on him for being a star on a really good team on here. Wilson deserves most of his praise... Wins matter in the NFL and his first 3 years are ridiculous 6-2 playoffs 1 ring 2 superbowls.
Who's "jealous" of the new-age Trent Dilfer?

[Pelicans78]

QBR is an abbreviation for quarterback rating.

and did i actually make that prediction?

QBR refers to the ESPN stat.

[Avante]

He's not the offensive coordinator, but he still threw a bad pass.

Tom Brady threw two bad passes.

[Pelicans78]

QBR is an abbreviation for quarterback rating.

and did i actually make that prediction?

You sounded pretty salty when I predicted the Pats to win.

[Ice009]

To even ty and throw a pass that short with traffic all around was stupid. He's not the off cordinator.

What everyone keeps ignoring is this is a third year QB with two SB's already. That in it's self is...wow~~~~~~

Same place as Kurt Warner was. Same amount of wins in the SB as Kurt too after 3 full seasons, but Kurt was a much better quarterback than Wilson. Kurt's next few years after that didn't go too well. Let's see how Wilson goes.

[spurraider21]

QBR refers to the ESPN stat.
no. both stats are abbreviated by QBR. the context of my post should have filled in the blanks

You sounded pretty salty when I predicted the Pats to win.
nah, i was responding to your post of "seahawks dont stand a chance" as if it was such a horrible mismatch

[Pelicans78]

Tom Brady threw two bad passes.

But also threw 4 TDs against the best defense in the league. They basically asked him to carry the team. He threw the ball 49 times. Different from what the Hawks asked from Wilson. That's one of the things you can't process is how Wilson doesn't have the same responsibilities as elite QBs in this league.

[Ghazi]

Who's "jealous" of the new-age Trent Dilfer?

that was worthy of a 100 page thread? the jealousy is obvious on here of a winner and a winning franchise. The main story of this game is more so the historically bad playcall that cost te Seahawks the game. Dilfer doesnt make half the throws a d ays Wilson makes.

[Avante]

Who's "jealous" of the new-age Trent Dilfer?

You have no clue of any kind the difference in what Dilfer did in his first three seasons compared to what RW has done, do you? Not a clue of any kind, wow!!!!!!!!!!!


Dude, how come you never ever ever get anything right,,,ever?

[Ghazi]

But also threw 4 TDs against the best defense in the league. They basically asked him to carry the team. He threw the ball 49 times. Different from what the Hawks asked from Wilson. That's one of the things you can't process is how Wilson doesn't have the same responsibilities as elite QBs in this league.
What most of you fail to ignore or mention is that Wilson is far greater value at under $1m a year than these $15-$17m hogs on teams built inferior to the Seahawks. is wilson supposed to apologize hes on a good team? and is a superior value atm compared to the others.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Where did he play bad football? Dude.....a foot...from winning two SB's in three seasons. You really don't get this do you?
He threw one of the worst picks in SB history (if not the worst), marinate on that for a bit--then get back to me on those 1st and 4th stats. Don't come back till you do

[Avante]

But also threw 4 TDs against the best defense in the league. They basically asked him to carry the team. He threw the ball 49 times. Different from what the Hawks asked from Wilson. That's one of the things you can't process is how Wilson doesn't have the same responsibilities as elite QBs in this league.

What elite QB's have nothing but non drafted receivers?

The responsibilities of a QB is to win games, there is no QB in the league who had a better first three seasons that RW has had.

RW runs the read option, who could run it better?

[Ghazi]

DD ... with the terrible takes.. per the usual.

[Pelicans78]

What most of you fail to ignore or mention is that Wilson is far greater value at under $1m a year than these $15-$17m hogs on teams built inferior to the Seahawks. is wilson supposed to apologize hes on a good team? and is a superior value atm compared to the others.

Of course not, but no one is arguing against that.

[Ghazi]

idk why this forum is so jealous of Wilson and the Seahawks. it shows how succesful theyve been i suppose

[Clipper Nation]

idk why this forum is so jealous of Wilson and the Seahawks. it shows how succesful theyve been i suppose

I don't get the idea of people being jealous of the new-age Dilfer. He's not good enough to warrant jealousy.

[DeadlyDynasty]

is wilson supposed to apologize hes on a good team?
Nope, as long as people like yourself don't give him undue praise for riding the gravy train. Let's revisit that "value" topic when he gets paid.

[Ghazi]

Wilson is a top 10 QB ... that would be a commonly held view in NFL GM circles I imagine. its just hilarious people are bashing on a top 10 qb for not being a top 3 qb and for having a stacked defense.

[Avante]

He threw one of the worst picks in SB history (if not the worst), marinate on that for a bit--then get back to me on those 1st and 4th stats. Don't come back till you do

Marinate on RW is the only QB in history to play in two SB 's in just three seasons. He's already more successful than Jim Kelly who plyed in how many?

[DeadlyDynasty]

DD ... with the terrible takes.. per the usual.
Black QB apologist, with no evidence to support his shitty arguments, per the usual. Your Niners takes were great too, btw

[Pelicans78]

What elite QB's have nothing but non drafted receivers?

The responsibilities of a QB is to win games, there is QB in the leagur who hsd a better first three seasons that RW has had,

Brees was putting up 5000 yards with a 7th round pick and a undrafted FA as his leading receivers as well as an undrafted FA as his leading rusher.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Wilson is a top 10 QB ... that would be a commonly held view in NFL GM circles I imagine. its just hilarious people are bashing on a top 10 qb for not being a top 3 qb and for having a stacked defense.

He's being bashed for throwing a 1-yard interception that lost Seattle the game, and rightfully so. You're an idiot, and this is why your people are relegated to cleaning our shitters out here

[Ghazi]

people are hating on a guy whose 1-1 in first 3 superbowls and got paid 860k this year..
meanwhile Manning got paid over $15m the last 3 years and accomplished less.. its weird, but can only be due to the current dominant run of the seahawks

[Ghazi]

He's being bashed for throwing a 1-yard interception that lost Seattle the game, and rightfully so. You're an idiot, and this is why your people are relegated to cleaning our shitters out here
Youve made over 100 posts about Wilson... you just wreak of saltiness and bitterness.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Marinate on RW is the only QB in history to play in two SB 's in just three seasons. He's already more successful than Jim Kelly who plyed in how many?

4, none of which he had the luxury of playing with a historically great defense who did all the heavy-lifting throughout the playoffs

[Pelicans78]

people are hating on a guy whose 1-1 in first 3 superbowls and got paid 860k this year..
meanwhile Manning got paid over $15m the last 3 years and accomplished less.. its weird, but can only be due to the current dominant run of the seahawks

No its just about a couple of posters (not you) who praise RW no matter what. He does deserve a ton of praise for what he's done, but some posters don't know how to put it in perspective.

[spurraider21]

that was worthy of a 100 page thread? the jealousy is obvious on here of a winner and a winning franchise. The main story of this game is more so the historically bad playcall that cost te Seahawks the game. Dilfer doesnt make half the throws a d ays Wilson makes.
word of advice.

don't bother

[Avante]

I don't get the idea of people being jealous of the new-age Dilfer. He's not good enough to warrant jealousy.


We have those like myself who have seen everyone play and gets how special RW is then we have dumb kids like you totally clueless.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Youve made over 100 posts about Wilson... you just wreak of saltiness and bitterness.
I've made 100 posts about Kobe, Duncan, Robinson, Shaq, Yao Ming, Robert Griffin etc too--this is a sports forum and the SB was just played. Again, you're an idiot.

[Clipper Nation]

We have those like myself who have seen everyone play and gets how special RW is then we have dumb kids like you totally clueless.

Struggle is "special" in a short-bus sense.

[Avante]

No its just about a couple of posters (not you) who praise RW no matter what. He does deserve a ton of praise for what he's done, but some posters don't know how to put it in perspective.

How about he steps off the NCAA fields to the NFL's and starts every single game becoming the NFL's al time winning QB (after three seasona) sets records, and plays in two SB, something no third year QB has ever done?

[Pelicans78]

How about he steps off the NCAA fields to the NFL's and starts every single game becoming the NFL's al time winning QB (after three seasona) sets records, and plays in two SB, something no third year QB has ever done?

I said he deserves a ton of praise, but you also have to put it in perspective.

[Avante]

Struggle is "special" in a short-bus sense.

The list of Hall of Fame QB's who had far inferior first three seasons to RW is a long one.

[spurraider21]

He threw one of the worst picks in SB history (if not the worst), marinate on that for a bit--then get back to me on those 1st and 4th stats. Don't come back till you do
:lmao now you're into analyzing quarter by quarter instead of game as a whole

:cry Flacco was 13-19 for 130 yards and no TD's as the 9ers stormed back in the 2nd half of his superbowl win. why did he get SB mvp?

[Ghazi]

had Wilson not made that throw, and Lynch ran it in for the won... there would still be threads on here berating Wilson. Im siding with my nigga Avante on this one boys... Wilsons a winnerPERIOD.

[Avante]

I said he deserves a ton of praise, but you also have to put it in perspective.

A read option QB doing things never seen before. A record breaker!

You have any idea how many great QB's played on great teams?

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao now you're into analyzing quarter by quarter instead of game as a whole

:cry Flacco was 13-19 for 130 yards and no TD's as the 9ers stormed back in the 2nd half of his superbowl win. why did he get SB mvp?

January Joe Bags didn't throw an interception that entire postseason. Struggle threw 4 of them in the NFC title game alone, and that's not even counting the Super Bowl-losing pick :lmao

[spurraider21]

January Joe Bags didn't throw an interception that entire postseason. Struggle threw 4 of them in the NFC title game alone, and that's not even counting the Super Bowl-losing pick :lmao
that entire postseason was only possible because Denver had a monumental collapse :lol

:lol falling down on a hail mary
:lol manning throwing a pick in his own territory

if not for that colossal choke and miracle hail mary, that was a one and done

[Pelicans78]

A read option QB doing things never seen before. A record breaker!

You have any idea how many great QB's played on great teams?

He's really not just a read option QB. Yeah they run some read option, but he's a West Coast/Pro style QB from his college days.

[Avante]

Russell Wilson a third year QB doing things the NFL has never seen before.

ONE MORE TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I chalenge all you RW haters to give me the name of any QB who hd a better first ....THREE....seasons. Come on back your shit up.

[Clipper Nation]

that entire postseason was only possible because Denver had a monumental collapse :lol

:lol falling down on a hail mary
:lol manning throwing a pick in his own territory

if not for that colossal choke and miracle hail mary, that was a one and done
Fivehead choking is a playoff tradition, can't really hold that against January Joe.

[Pelicans78]

Russell Wilson a third year QB doing things the NFL has never seen before.

ONE MORE TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I chalenge all you RW haters to give me the name of any QB who hd a better first ....THREE....seasons. Come on back your shit up.

In the end, he has the same amount of Super Bowls as Brady during that span.

[Ghazi]

Personally the playcall is just always gonna overshadow that throw for me. I dont care who throws that pick, even if it was a dooming mistake.. when you have a RB like Lynch and are 1 yard away from the title.. place and time 21 seconds and 1 timeout and 3 downs.. its just a shockingly terrible playcall and eerily reminds me of Carrolls mismanagement of the 2006 Rose Bowl blowing a 38-26 lead to Texas and making a questionable 4th and 2 playcall.

[spurraider21]

Fivehead choking is a playoff tradition, can't really hold that against January Joe.
im not holding it against him. but LOL at this new quarter-by-quarter evaluation method :lol

joe bags did nothing in the 2nd half as the niners came back :cry

its stupid. Flacco played a good overall game and deserved mvp. nobody took it away because "he had 2 quarters where he did nothing"

[Avante]

4, none of which he had the luxury of playing with a historically great defense who did all the heavy-lifting throughout the playoffs

So what are all those guys like Terry Bradshaw, Bart Star and Troy Aikman doing in the HOF, they all played on great teams.

[Avante]

In the end, he has the same amount of Super Bowls as Brady during that span.

Now look at starts/wins/stats, it's not even close. There is no QB who had a better first three seasons.

[Malik Hairston]

Personally the playcall is just always gonna overshadow that throw for me. I dont care who throws that pick, even if it was a dooming mistake.. when you have a RB like Lynch and are 1 yard away from the title.. place and time 21 seconds and 1 timeout and 3 downs.. its just a shockingly terrible playcall and eerily reminds me of Carrolls mismanagement of the 2006 Rose Bowl blowing a 38-26 lead to Texas and making a questionable 4th and 2 playcall.

Bad playcall, but you're sounding like a Wilson apologist trying to overshadow the actual INT being thrown, tbh..

Definitely should have given it to your best player on 2nd down from the 1 yard line, especially with a few downs remaining, it was a terrible call..however, the QB still threw one of the worst INTs you'll ever see(considering the circumstances)..puzzling, especially for an intelligent QB like Wilson..

[Ghazi]

its only one of the worst INTs ever given circumstance thats it. Still not handong it to your best offensive player and best short yardage runner and just a flat out fucking boss 1 yard away from the end zone? I think thats just being. wilson hater not me being a Wilson apologist. Football is tbe game where coaches fingerprints have the most impact ans the OC and Carroll are the biggest at fault. that INt doesnt even hurt Wilsons legacy.

[Avante]

Fran Tarkenton/Jim Kelly both HOFers went 0-7in SB's.

Namath, Young, only played in one.

Moon
Rivers
Romo
Fouts

never played in one.

RW already more success than all them, and has as many SB wins as Peyton Manning had in his long career.

Lynch falls down in the endzone and RW wins the MVP award.

[Clipper Nation]

that INt doesnt even hurt Wilsons legacy.

Wilson's "legacy"? Game managers don't have legacies :lol

[spurraider21]

Bad playcall, but you're sounding like a Wilson apologist trying to overshadow the actual INT being thrown, tbh..

Definitely should have given it to your best player on 2nd down from the 1 yard line, especially with a few downs remaining, it was a terrible call..however, the QB still threw one of the worst INTs you'll ever see(considering the circumstances)..puzzling, especially for an intelligent QB like Wilson..
this. even on a terrible playcall, you can always throw it away instead of forcing it into traffic. to be fair, the defender made a great play to jump the route the way he did, you can't always account for that (see Brady's 2nd pick where Wagner jumped the route in front of a seemingly open Gronk).

there's never an excuse for a pick like that. if you're wilson, you have to realize its 2nd down. if its not open, just live to fight another down. uncharacteristic. usually the one thing wilson is good at is avoiding picks

[Ghazi]

I cannot believe there is no mention of how we missed out on an epic superbowl mvp interview with marshawn Lynch due to that clusterfuck of a playcall.

[Avante]

Wilson's "legacy"? Game managers don't have legacies :lol

He already has a lecacy, where you been? You really don't know all the things he's done never seen before do up?

[DeadlyDynasty]

:cry Flacco was 13-19 for 130 yards and no TD's as the 9ers stormed back in the 2nd half of his superbowl win. why did he get SB mvp?
and he was still the best Ravens player in the 2nd half with those stats:lol

You can't win anything:lmao

[Avante]

So many know nothings here it's comical, hahahaha!

Joe Namath only made it to one SB and his stats suck....HALL OF FAME! RW has already did more in his short career.

[Avante]

and he was still the best Ravens player in the 2nd half with those stats:lol

You can't win anything:lmao

Why act totally retarded? RW...one foot..from winning two SB's in his first three seasons. Why totally ignore that?

[spurraider21]

and he was still the best Ravens player in the 2nd half with those stats:lol

You can't win anything:lmao
jacoby jones' kickoff return to open the half outweighed everything Flacco did in that half

[Ghazi]

If Im gonna blame Wilson for anything its for not realizing how stupid that playcall was and audibling out of it

[Ghazi]

bizarre slant pass or marshawn fucking lynch? tough fucking call

[spurraider21]

If Im gonna blame Wilson for anything its for not realizing how stupid that playcall was and audibling out of it
he shouldn't have pulled the trigger on a throw into such a congested spot tbh... throw it away and live to fight another down

[DeadlyDynasty]

im not holding it against him. but LOL at this new quarter-by-quarter evaluation method :lol

joe bags did nothing in the 2nd half as the niners came back :cry

its stupid. Flacco played a good overall game and deserved mvp. nobody took it away because "he had 2 quarters where he did nothing"

I'm about to spackle your rectum again, Philo. In that 4th quarter Flacco led 2 time-consuming drives that ended in FG's--one ended on a dropped pass.

You can't even rag on that point because you made your bed last year when you sucked off Wilson for "leading the Seahawks" on 2 1st qtr FG drives (despite excellent field position):lmao

You can't beat me, boy...you never will

[spurraider21]

I'm about to spackle your rectum again, Philo. In that 4th quarter Flacco led 2 time-consuming drives that ended in FG's--one ended on a dropped pass.

You can't even rag on that point because you made your bed last year when you sucked off Wilson for "leading the Seahawks" on 2 1st qtr FG drives (despite excellent field position):lmao

You can't beat me, boy...you never will
the difference is, i'm showing you how stupid this "what did he do in x quarter" evaluation method is. i'm not actually being serious in saying Flacco didn't deserve MVP. he absolutely did. he played a damn good game and deserved it. i'm not going to nitpick by saying "well in this quarter, he didn't do so good"

[DeadlyDynasty]

Black QB's with the SB in their grasp:

1. Kaep: 4 and out on the goal line
2. Wilson: 1-yard interception.

[Clipper Nation]

DeadlyDynasty working Philo like Joe Bags works opposing defenses come playoff time.

[spurraider21]

http://i.imgur.com/vDxJOf6.gif

[DeadlyDynasty]

the difference is, i'm showing you how stupid this "what did he do in x quarter" evaluation method is. i'm not actually being serious in saying Flacco didn't deserve MVP. he absolutely did. he played a damn good game and deserved it. i'm not going to nitpick by saying "well in this quarter, he didn't do so good"
Don't say stupid shit if you're not prepared to get called on it. He played "damn good football!:cry" besides, you know, half the game.

[spurraider21]

Don't say stupid shit if you're not prepared to get called on it. He played "damn good football!:cry" besides, you know, half the game.
i'm looking at the game as a whole. i'm not going to sit there and analyze increments...

"well in between the 15 minute mark to the 11 minute mark, he was bad, but then from 11-4, he was really good... and then from 4-1, he was average"

:lol its just silly. he had been playing a very good game and then choked horribly. no excuses for the bad throw

[Clipper Nation]

he had been playing a very good game

http://i.imgur.com/vDxJOf6.gif

[spurraider21]

http://i.imgur.com/vDxJOf6.gif
137 quarterback rating to that point is a pretty good game imo.

unfortunately, he was playing a pretty good game to that point... and that point is what decided the game

[Clipper Nation]

137 quarterback rating to that point is a pretty good game imo

Disappearing for half the game and relying on flukes =/= a "pretty good game."

[spurraider21]

Disappearing for half the game and relying on flukes =/= a "pretty good game."
realistically there was 1 fluke catch by Kearse and also one horrendous drop by Kearse, for comparable yardage

[Clipper Nation]

BTW, it's cute how you're trying to act like talking about an entire half of football is somehow exactly the same as cherrypicking arbitrary increments of minutes.

[spurraider21]

BTW, it's cute how you're trying to act like talking about an entire half of football is somehow exactly the same as cherrypicking arbitrary increments of minutes.
i never said its exactly the same

[Clipper Nation]

Don't say stupid shit if you're not prepared to get called on it. He played "damn good football!:cry" besides, you know, half the game.


i'm looking at the game as a whole. i'm not going to sit there and analyze increments...

"well in between the 15 minute mark to the 11 minute mark, he was bad, but then from 11-4, he was really good... and then from 4-1, he was average"

:lol its just silly. he had been playing a very good game and then choked horribly. no excuses for the bad throw
Sure looks like you're implying that talking about the first half is the same thing as analyzing four-minute increments, Philo.

[DeadlyDynasty]

i'm looking at the game as a whole. i'm not going to sit there and analyze increments...

"well in between the 15 minute mark to the 11 minute mark, he was bad, but then from 11-4, he was really good... and then from 4-1, he was average"

:lol its just silly. he had been playing a very good game and then choked horribly. no excuses for the bad throw
Again, that's your subjective opinion--but you have a hx of lavishing undue praise on Wilson so you really can't be taken seriously.

Btw, Flacco had more completions in his "quiet" 2nd half of the SB than Wilson had in this entire game:lmao

[spurraider21]

Again, that's your subjective opinion--but you have a hx of lavishing undue praise on Wilson so you really can't be taken seriously.
and you have a history of undue criticism of Wilson, so you really can't be taken seriously

Btw, Flacco had more completions in his "quiet" 2nd half of the SB than Wilson had in this entire game:lmao
ok

and Wilson threw for 163 yards to Flacco's 130 in their respective 2nd halves

[spurraider21]

Sure looks like you're implying that talking about the first half is the same thing as analyzing four-minute increments, Philo.
he was talking about 1st and 4th quarters, not either half in its entirety

dude, get off other people's balls and formulate your own opinions

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Luck could throw 50 int in a season an not one of them would be as shitty as Struggle Wilsons throw. What a great way to end the game. Fuck Wilson!

[Avante]

This is fucking funny, a third year QB coming within a foot of beating the great Tom Brady.

Have never so many who knew so little about pro football, wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DeadlyDynasty]

and you have a history of undue criticism of Wilson, so you really can't be taken seriously

ok

and Wilson threw for 163 yards to Flacco's 130 in their respective 2nd halves
and Flacco won, Wilson lost. We're also comparing Flacco's "bad" half to Wilson's good (or better) half...so again, you lose.

[Avante]

Luck could throw 50 int in a season an not one of them would be as shitty as Struggle Wilsons throw. What a great way to end the game. Fuck Wilson!

Luck fucks it up for his team much earlier. RW plays in SB's, Andrew Luck doesn't.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Luck fucks it up for his team much earlier. RW plays in SB's, Andrew Luck doesn't.
Post the supporting defenses and running games of each team for those 3 seasons. I'm waiting

[Avante]

and Flacco won, Wilson lost. We're also comparing Flacco's bad half to Wilson's good (or better) half...so again, you lose.

Compare what Flacco did in his first three seasons to what RW has done in his. That's how you do this. If you do that it's all about RW, not even close.

[Clipper Nation]

Compare what Flacco did in his first three seasons to what RW has done in his. That's how you do this. If you do that it's all about RW, not even close.

Flacco's 2012 playoff run (statistically the best since Montana) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Struggle's entire career

[Avante]

Post the supporting defenses and running games of each team for those 3 seasons. I'm waiting

Post the receivers that Luck has had vs the receivers that RW has had.

Tell me again about how the Ravens are going to beat the Pats, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

Flacco's 2012 playoff run (statistically the best since Montana) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Struggle's entire career


That was his fifth season, and he lost 6 games that year and had a QBR of less than...FIFTY....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, you crack me up, hahahaha!!!!!!!!! DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Post the receivers that Luck has had vs the receivers that RW has had.

Tell me again about how the Ravens are going to beat the Pats, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What is more important? A elite defense and elite rushing attack or solid WRs? You act like Luck is playing with with multiple HOF recievers? Lucks first year he had ReggieWayne 3 rookies (Hilton, Allen, Fleener) and Donnie Avery. Last year Luck was without Dwayne Allen and Reggie Wayne, oh unless you coubt Heyward-Bey and Da'rick Rodgers, and Lavon Brazil as elite. This year Luck was surrounded by the corpse of Reggie Wayne, Hilton, and a rookie Moncrief.

Your argument fucking sucks, just like that shitty QB Wilson.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lmao Avante
:lmao pedo rapist
:lmao defending struggle wilson
:lmao go run in front of a train and die

[Clipper Nation]

That was his fifth season, and he lost 6 games that year and had a QBR of less than...FIFTY....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, you crack me up, hahahaha!!!!!!!!! DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who the fuck cares about regular season losses when you win it all that year?

2012 playoffs: 1140 yards, 11 TD, 0 INT, 117.2 passer rating. Beat Luck, Fivehead, Brady, and that Niners defense all in the same playoff run. And he didn't put up Lindley-caliber performances while getting bailed out by his defense like Struggle did against the Saints last year and Packers this year, nor did he get to play cupcakes like the under-.500 Panthers.

That run Flacco had pretty much shits on anything Struggle has ever done in his career.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Post the receivers that Luck has had vs the receivers that RW has had.

Tell me again about how the Ravens are going to beat the Pats, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Again, you're not going to get credit for backing a 7.5 pt favorite...and you yourself have been campaigning the merits of defense and running game since you've been here--so you've indirectly acknowledged that Wilson plays with a decidedly better supporting cast.

Next.

[Avante]

What is more important? A elite defense and elite rushing attack or solid WRs? You act like Luck is playing with with multiple HOF recievers? Lucks first year he had ReggieWayne 3 rookies (Hilton, Allen, Fleener) and Donnie Avery. Last year Luck was without Dwayne Allen and Reggie Wayne, oh unless you coubt Heyward-Bey and Da'rick Rodgers, and Lavon Brazil as elite. This year Luck was surrounded by the corpse of Reggie Wayne, Hilton, and a rookie Moncrief.

Your argument fucking sucks, just like that shitty QB Wilson.

Even with far better receivers, Lucks stats suck compared to those of RW's, go ahead idiot check it out. Education is a great thing.

[Ice009]

This is fucking funny, a third year QB coming within a foot of beating the great Tom Brady.

Have never so many who knew so little about pro football, wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm new here to this forum. Hardly ever come here, but why are you not counting Kurt Warner when you asked what quarterback has had a better first 3 year stretch. I suppose it's because he played a few downs in the season before '99? If so, it shouldn't, but whatever.

Also, you didn't answer the question about those awesome knowledgeable friends of yours. What did they think about not giving the ball to Lynch at the 1 yard line with the Superbowl on the line?

[DeadlyDynasty]

Who the fuck cares about regular season losses when you win it all that year?

2012 playoffs: 1140 yards, 11 TD, 0 INT, 117.2 passer rating. Beat Luck, Fivehead, Brady, and that Niners defense all in the same playoff run. And he didn't put up Lindley-caliber performances while getting bailed out by his defense like Struggle did against the Saints last year and Packers this year, nor did he get to play cupcakes like the under-.500 Panthers.

That run Flacco had pretty much shits on anything Struggle has ever done in his career.

These are facts

[Avante]

:lmao Avante
:lmao pedo rapist
:lmao defending struggle wilson
:lmao go run in front of a train and die

Dummy too stupid to know you can't rape professional hookers, hahahaha!!!!!!!! Fucking dummy

Also too stupid to know you don't "struggle" to two SB's in three seasons and before turning 27.

What a fucking idiot, wow~~~~~~~~~~

[spurraider21]

and Flacco won, Wilson lost. We're also comparing Flacco's "bad" half to Wilson's good (or better) half...so again, you lose.
i'm not making the claim Wilson outplayed Flacco... holy shit you're on some crusade :lol

[Avante]

Who the fuck cares about regular season losses when you win it all that year?

2012 playoffs: 1140 yards, 11 TD, 0 INT, 117.2 passer rating. Beat Luck, Fivehead, Brady, and that Niners defense all in the same playoff run. And he didn't put up Lindley-caliber performances while getting bailed out by his defense like Struggle did against the Saints last year and Packers this year, nor did he get to play cupcakes like the under-.500 Panthers.

That run Flacco had pretty much shits on anything Struggle has ever done in his career.

I'll go slow...


Joe Flacco was in his...FIFTH..season in 2012, ok faggot? Why not compare his first three to Wilsons first thrree, it's all RW!

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Even with far better receivers, Lucks stats suck compared to those of RW's, go ahead idiot check it out. Education is a great thing.

Far better recievers? So you'd rather have Donnie Avery or DHB Over Doug Baldwin and Jermaine Kearse? Please tell me where Lavon Brazil and Da'Rick Rogers are playing.

Would Struggle Wilson have gone to 2 straight superbowls with Indys "Elite" WRs? Face it Wilson detailed out by Lynch and the defense. He is fucking garbage. Get on my level bitch tits.

[Clipper Nation]

Dummy too stupid to know you can't rape professional hookers, hahahaha!!!!!!!! Fucking dummy

When the hookers are preteens, it's statutory rape, dumbfuck.

[DeadlyDynasty]

i'm not making the claim Wilson outplayed Flacco... holy shit you're on some crusade :lol
You brought Flacco into this, not me...holy hell you're losing every facet of this argument. Only one poster here is assuming semen shield duties, yet it's others that are on the crusade.:lol

[Pelicans78]

I'll go slow...


Joe Flacco was in his...FIFTH..season in 2012, ok faggot? Why not compare his first three to Wilsons first thrree, it's all RW!

They both have one ring.

[Avante]

I'm new here to this forum. Hardly ever come here, but why are you not counting Kurt Warner when you asked what quarterback has had a better first 3 year stretch. I suppose it's because he played a few downs in the season before '99? If so, it shouldn't, but whatever.

Also, you didn't answer the question about those awesome knowledgeable friends of yours. What did they think about not giving the ball to Lynch at the 1 yard line with the Superbowl on the line?

Warners first thre seasons simply don't match up with RW's, nobody's does.

They were just like everyone else.....are you fucking kidding me????? All Lynch has to do is fall forward and you are throwing the ball.....WTF???????????

[Clipper Nation]

I'll go slow...


Joe Flacco was in his...FIFTH..season in 2012, ok faggot? Why not compare his first three to Wilsons first thrree, it's all RW!
I don't care if it was Flacco's first or hundredth season. His 2012 run alone is better than Struggle's entire career. Add on the fact that Flacco has won more road playoff games than any other QB in history and it's not even close, Flacco is the far superior QB when it matters.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Warners first thre seasons simply don't match up with RW's, nobody's does.
Do you have some statistics to support this?

[Avante]

They both have one ring.

And Trent Dilfer has a ring while Dan Marino, Johnny Unitas, Warren Moon, Fran Tarkenton, Jim Kelly, Tony Romo don't, se how silly that is?

[Pelicans78]

And Trent Dilfer had a ring while DAan Marino, Johnny Unitas, Warren Moon, Fran Tarkenton, Jim Kelly, Tony Romo don't, se how silly that is?

And they both have one ring.

[spurraider21]

You brought Flacco into this, not me...holy hell you're losing every facet of this argument. Only one poster here is assuming semen shield duties, yet it's others that are on the crusade.:lol
i brought it up to show how ridiculous you were being with your evaluation method, not to compare their performances to one another

[Avante]

Do you have some statistics to support this?

Absolutely, be right back.

No need to get into any other numbers than these two.

Warner started 24 games
RW started 48

Nuff said~~~~~~~~~

[DeadlyDynasty]

i brought it up
Exactly, and it backfired on you.

[Avante]

Exactly, and it backfired on you.


Joe Flacco's career will not be better than RW's, at the same stage of their careers it was all RW, not evern close and right now RW has the better career stats.

[Clipper Nation]

Joe Flacco's caeer will not be better than RW's
Already is and always will be. Ravens are looking primed for another ring or two if they can fix the secondary.

[spurraider21]

Exactly, and it backfired on you.
no, you've just misrepresented my point and claimed victory. its fine man, wilson threw the game icing pick, and you can bask in that glory.

[Avante]

Already is and always will be. Ravens are looking primed for another ring or two if they can fix the secondary.

No it's not, where in the hell did you get this ridiculous idea it was. Dude....LOOK AT THE STATS...ok little man.

Wins....RW
Comp %...RW
TD/INT...RW
QBR..RW
Passer rating...RW

Little guy, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Clipper Nation]

No it's not, where in the hell did you get this ridiculous idea it was. Dude....LOOK AT THE STATS...ok little man.

It is. Most road playoff wins and that 2012 run >>>>>>>>> game-managing and riding Lynch and the defense's coattails, followed by an all-time Super Bowl choke.

[Avante]

It is. Most road playoff wins and that 2012 run >>>>>>>>> game-managing and riding Lynch and the defense's coattails, followed by an all-time Super Bowl choke.

How many years did it take Flacco to win a SB compared to Wilson? Who has by far the better numbers? Are you saying the Ravens don;t play defense, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dude, compare their first three seasons ok stupid? That's how you do this....DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Like talking to a little kid, hahaha!!!!!!!

[Clipper Nation]

How many years did it take Flacco to win a SB compared to Wilson? Who has by far the better numbers? Are you saying the Ravens don;t play defense, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Flacco played in the tougher conference and had worse coaching until they finally fired Cam Cameron.

[Avante]

Little people...

You compare QB's by like experience....ok? That's how it's done, alright? I shouldn't have to tell you little shits this, sheesh!

Tom Brady won by a foot to a third year QB, while he's a 15 year vet...ok midgets?

[Avante]

Flacco played in the tougher conference and had worse coaching until they finally fired Cam Cameron.

Dude, why do you think Joe Flacco had to go to Delaware? Now think stupid!

Cool this stupid...he played in a tougher conference...bullshit, ok shorty?

Come on faggot, actually check out their career stats and tell me what you see. Stop being such a lazy fuck.

[Clipper Nation]

Dude, why do you think Joe Flacco had to go to Delaware? Now think stupid!

Cool this stupid...he played in a tougher conference...bullshit, ok shorty?

Come on faggot, actually check out their career stats and tell me what you see. Stop being just a lazy fuck.

I'm talking about AFC vs. NFC, dumbfuck, not sure what Delaware has to do with anything.

[spurraider21]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8z0jLiIYAMCtkV.jpg

[Avante]

I'm talking about AFC vs. NFC, dumbfuck, not sure what Delaware has to do with anything.

I know, that's why I call you stupid.

Why didn't the big schools recruit Joe Flacco like they did Russell Wilson, now think ya fucking moron. Damn you're dumb.

Well no shit...AFC and NFC are really the conferences, really? Dude, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fuck head, wanna talk AFL vs NFL?

[Clipper Nation]

I know, that's why I call you stupid.

Why didn't the big schools recruit Joe Flacco like they did Russell Wilson, now think ya fucking moron. Damn you're dumb.

Well no shit...AFC and NFC are really the conferences, really? Dude, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fuck head, wanna talk AFL vs NFL?
Who fucking cares about college recruiting in the NFL? The guy who picked Struggle off to clinch the win came from a D-2 school.

[DeadlyDynasty]

no, you've just misrepresented my point and claimed victory. its fine man, wilson threw the game icing pick, and you can bask in that glory.
Wow, you got a little emo with that last sentence. He's exactly what we thought he was, a game manager. That's all there is to take from this latest playoff run. The difference this year is that instead of his play being a non-factor in the outcome, he actually was a factor in this game--but for the wrong reason.

[Infinite_limit]

I know, that's why I call you stupid.

Why didn't the big schools recruit Joe Flacco like they did Russell Wilson, now think ya fucking moron. Damn you're dumb.

Well no shit...AFC and NFC are really the conferences, really? Dude, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fuck head, wanna talk AFL vs NFL?
Why couldn't the Seahawks stop Edelman, Gronk and Amendola?

[Clipper Nation]

BTW, Flacco started out at Pitt (a major conference school) and transferred to Delaware.

[Ghazi]

Certain people are desperate to promote their already debunked black qb agenda

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

5 picks in 2 games......

[Avante]

Who fucking cares about college recruiting in the NFL? The guy who picked Struggle off to clinch the win came from a D-2 school.

Why not compare these guys according to same experience, ok stupid?

And if yu don't get the Delaware ve Wisconsin thing, why am I not surprised.

[Malik Hairston]

In all honesty, if you replaced Wilson with almost any SpursTalk poster, Seattle wins the game, tbh..

[Avante]

BTW, Flacco started out at Pitt (a major conference school) and transferred to Delaware.

Oh yeah I forgot, he was chased out of Pitt by...


In 2004, he was the backup quarterback finding limited playing time behind starter Tyler Palko (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Tyler_Palko). He only saw action in three games against Ohio University (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Ohio_Bobcats_football), University of Nebraska (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Nebraska_Cornhuskers_football), and the University of South Florida (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/South_Florida_Bulls_football). He finished the season with one completion for 11 yards.

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

In all honesty, if you replaced Wilson with almost any SpursTalk poster, Seattle wins the game, tbh..

How many here can run a 4.5 40? How about throw a football 60 yards? Who here can run the read option? Who here can run away from NFL defender for 4-5 seconds then throw a 30 yard lazer? Well?

[Infinite_limit]

How many here can run a 4.5 40? How about throw a football 60 yards? Who here can run the read option? Who here can run away from NFL defender for 4-5 seconds then throw a 30 yard lazer? Well?
I can recognize to not throw Interceptions on the 1 yard line

[Avante]

I can recognize to not throw Interceptions on the 1 yard line

How about being the winnigest QB in NFL history after three seasons? How about winning a SB and playing in two before turning 27?

[Malik Hairston]

How many here can run a 4.5 40? How about throw a football 60 yards? Who here can run the read option? Who here can run away from NFL defender for 4-5 seconds then throw a 30 yard lazer? Well?

If we were playing as the Seahawks QB, we wouldn't have to do much, tbh..

- Hand off to Lynch
- Make 1 or 2 good throws
- Let the defense get a few INTs to give us great field position
- Run a few times
- Thank God and cry
- Don't throw the worst INT in the history of Super Bowl to lose the game

[Avante]

Do you dumb fucks know a fucking thing? You have any idea at all how many great QB's never even played in a SB?

Who here can give me a list of those who played in two SB's in their first three seasons? Who was that?

Come on people, stop acting like little dumb ass kids, ok?

[Malik Hairston]

Do you dumb fucks know a fucking thing? You have any idea at all how many great QB's never even played in a SB?

Who here can give me a list of those who played in two SB's in their first three seasons? Who was that?

Come on people, stop acting like little dumb ass kids, ok?



I can give you a list of QBs that threw an INT from the 1 yard line to lose the Super Bowl:

Wilson, Russell

[Avante]

If we were playing as the Seahawks QB, we wouldn't have to do much, tbh..

- Hand off to Lynch
- Make 1 or 2 good throws
- Let the defense get a few INTs to give us great field position
- Run a few times
- Thank God and cry
- Don't throw the worst INT in the history of Super Bowl to lose the game

Or...

Throw the most td passes as a rookie in NFL history
Win more games as a third year QB in history
Play in two SB in first three seasons
Hold the NFL passer rating after three seasons record.
Play in more games in first three seasons in NFL history

[Avante]

I can give you a list of QBs that threw an INT from the 1 yard line to lose the Super Bowl:

Wilson, Russell

Just as I thought, you lack depth. Just another simpleton, sheesh~~~~~~~~~~

[Malik Hairston]

Just as I thought, you lack depth. Just another simpleton, sheesh~~~~~~~~~~

How is my list any difrerent from yours?

My list is regarding the Super Bowl, the pinnacle of football..what means more than that?

[Avante]

How is my list any difrerent from yours?

My list is regarding the Super Bowl, the pinnacle of football..what means more than that?

So you think Trent Dilfer was better than Dan Marino,...right? So there is no debate over Luck vs RW, since RW has been in two SB's and Luck..0...right? So according to you Doug Wiliams was better than Warren Moon....right?

[Malik Hairston]

So you think Trent Dilfer was better tan Dan Marino,...right? So there is no debate over Luck vs RW, since RW has beeen in two SB's and Luck..0...right?

I'm talking about choking in the biggest possible moment..

Great QBs love pressure, they would all take the opportunity to be at the 1 yard line in the Super Bowl, with the game on the line and the ball in their hands..the truly great QBs want the game in their hands, they want to control their own destiny..

Wilson had this opportunity, but the pressure overwhelmed him, he couldn't come through for his team..he's the only QB in the history of the NFL to throw an INT from the 1 yard line in the Super Bowl, with the game in his hands..first in history:wow:wow..

Unfortunately, he couldn't handle the pressure..