Brady the GOAT

[Clipper Nation]

If there is 2 minutes to go in the game and we are down by 4 on our 5 yard line and I can call in any QB to win this for me......Joe Montana.

If there's 24 seconds left and we only need to complete a one-yard pass to seal the ring, I definitely don't want Struggle Wilson :lol

[Avante]

If there's 24 seconds left and we only need to complete a one-yard pass to seal the ring, I definitely don't want Struggle Wilson :lol

You do know that since he came in the league he has had more GWD than anyone, right? Of course you don't. Just think, he averages 5 a year because he has 15. If he played 15 seasons lie Peyton....75~! Peyton has 52.

Does your pea brain ever......what happens if this guys wins a coople more SB's, I;m going to look totally stupid....it doesn't does it?

Getting back to Montana.

1:20 on


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yha0VVHCzVo

[Phillip]

You do know that since he came in the league he has had more GWD than anyone, right? Of course you don't. Just think, he averages 5 a year because he has 15. If he played 15 seasons lie Peyton....75~! Peyton has 52.


Are you stupid? Who the hell taught you your math?

If you want to do this math angle correctly, the best way to do it would to take the games started, and divide it by GWD, to get an estimate of how frequently they get GWD.

With the math, both would have a GWD in approximately 1 in every 5 games. Montana was about one tenth of a percent higher than Peyton, which means that if he started 252 games like Peyton did, he would have around 52 or 53, just like Peyton... not 75. And he certainly had nowhere near an average of 5 GWD a season. In fact, the most Joe ever had in a single season was 5.

[Aztecfan03]

Are you stupid? Who the hell taught you your math?

If you want to do this math angle correctly, the best way to do it would to take the games started, and divide it by GWD, to get an estimate of how frequently they get GWD.

With the math, both would have a GWD in approximately 1 in every 5 games. Montana was about one tenth of a percent higher than Peyton, which means that if he started 252 games like Peyton did, he would have around 52 or 53, just like Peyton... not 75. And he certainly had nowhere near an average of 5 GWD a season. In fact, the most Joe ever had in a single season was 5.

He was talking about Russell Wilson.

[Avante]

Are you stupid? Who the hell taught you your math?

If you want to do this math angle correctly, the best way to do it would to take the games started, and divide it by GWD, to get an estimate of how frequently they get GWD.

With the math, both would have a GWD in approximately 1 in every 5 games. Montana was about one tenth of a percent higher than Peyton, which means that if he started 252 games like Peyton did, he would have around 52 or 53, just like Peyton... not 75. And he certainly had nowhere near an average of 5 GWD a season. In fact, the most Joe ever had in a single season was 5.

Try paying attention ok slick? I wasn't takling about Montana.....ok?

[Phillip]

Try paying attention ok slick? I wasn't takling about Montana.....ok?

Well slick, then that's just even more laughable, considering how mediocre Wilson is in any situation where he has to carry a team, yet you think he is worth defending :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Avante]

Well slick, then that's just even more laughable, considering how mediocre Wilson is in any situation where he has to carry a team, yet you think he is worth defending :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

You mean the guy who already has 15 GWD the most in the league since he arrived? Why the...."I;m stupid"...routine?

Just think your Chiefs have been around since they were the Dallas Texans in 1960 and RW already has as many SB wins ,hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Clipper Nation]

Saying Struggle has as many Super Bowl wins as the Chiefs is like saying that Devin Brown has as many rings as the Blazers. They're not "your" rings if you play a miniscule supporting role and don't significantly impact the game. :lol

[Avante]

Saying Struggle has as many Super Bowl wins as the Chiefs is like saying that Devin Brown has as many rings as the Blazers. They're not "your" rings if you play a miniscule supporting role and don't significantly impact the game. :lol

So ya missed the game winning pass vs GB, right? So ya missed that big drop by Kearse, right in his hands....right? So ya turned off the volumn and missed......

Russell Wilson is special

Wilson putting on a show

Right?

Dude, you really are a fucking dummy.

[Clipper Nation]

So ya missed the game winning pass vs GB, right?
So you missed the 8-22 passing performance, 4 picks, and 5 sacks in regulation, right?


So ya missed that big drop by Kearse, right in his hands....right?
So you missed Struggle fucking up a one-yard pass with the championship on the line, right?

[Avante]

So you missed the 8-22 passing performance, 4 picks, and 5 sacks in regulation, right?


So you missed Struggle fucking up a one-yard pass with the championship on the line, right?

Why act like you don't know 2 of those 4 were once again right off the hands of Kearse? Just think little man, what if Kearse catchs those two and the one Sunday?

Damn little guy, you take...DUH!!!!!!!...to a whole other level.

[HI-FI]

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"....fans have been critical of his ability to throw deep..."

Lol Montana nut huggers

I appreciate his greatness but be real about it.

damn, such beautiful touch on the ball. I can see why Rice had a hard time getting used to Young's passes.

Montana was also much better at scrambling and improvising than Brady.

[monosylab1k]

damn, such beautiful touch on the ball. I can see why Rice had a hard time getting used to Young's passes.

Montana was also much better at scrambling and improvising than Brady.

Amazing he could only manage 4 Super Bowl appearances with that stacked roster, a top 5 all time head coach, and the WR GOAT by his side.

[Infinite_limit]

Amazing he could only manage 4 Super Bowl appearances with that stacked roster, a top 5 all time head coach, and the WR GOAT by his side.
1981: 13-3 SB Champs
1982: *Strike season* 3-6
1983: 21 point comeback in 4th Quarter @ Washington, blown calls gives Skins Win "The Forgotten Classic"

On fourth and 10, Joe Theisman threw a desperation pass in the direction of Art Monk. The ball sailed well over everybody's head, and the 49ers were prepared to take the ball back for a game winning drive. Except that a penalty had been called. Eric Wright was flagged for pass interference on Monk, even though the pass had been completely, unquestionably uncatchable. It was a crushing blow, but even with the penalty, the 49ers had a chance to shut down the Redskins. Washington marched well within field goal range, but wanted to knock as much time off the clock as possible. On third and five from the 13 yard line, the Redskins caught another break. Theisman threw an incomplete pass, but Ronnie Lott was called for holding a receiver away from the play and the Redskins got another first-down and whittled the clock to under a minute before taking a chip-shot field goal to take the lead.

1984: 15-1 SB Champs
1985: 10-6 Lose @ NYG [Jerry Rice rookie]
1986: 10-5-1 Lose @ NYG [Joe knocked out with concussion]
1987: 13-2 Lose vs Vikings [Legit chokejob]
1988: 10-6 SB Champs
1989: 14-2 SB Champs
1990: 14-2 Lose vs NYG [Joe knocked out]


4 outta 10 seasons
- 1982 strike
- 1983 blown call
- 1990 injury

You could argue 4 outta 7 seasons. Pretty damn impressive.

[monosylab1k]

ROFL and Niners fans accuse Pats fans of being homerish?

Let me try this stupid game out

2001 11-3, SB CHAMPS
2002 9-7 [hell of a lot better than 3-6 tho]
2003 14-2 SB CHAMPS
2004 14-2 SB CHAMPS
2005 10-6 [a slew of bullshit calls, Plummer literally had to drive like 50 yds for 21 pts, and Champ Bailey's INT/fumble should have been a touchback]
2006 12-4 Lost to Indy [called BS offensive PI on troy Brown on what could have give them a 28-3 lead. Also Reche fucking Caldwell]
2007 16-0 [Helmet Catch]
2008 injured
2009 10-6 Lost to Balt [takes over a full season of play for a QB to fully recover from a torn ACL]
2010 14-2 Lost to Jets
2011 13-3 [Welker Drop]
2012 12-4 Lost to Balt
2013 12-4 Lost to Denver
2014 12-4 SB CHAMPS

6 out of 14 seasons
2005 blown calls
2006 blown calls, Reche Caldwell
2008 injury
2009 injury

You could argue 8 out of 12 seasons. More impressive than Montana.

[DeadlyDynasty]

1990 had very little to do with Montana's injury. That game was won till Roger Craig coughed it up

[Pelicans78]

1990 had very little to do with Montana's injury. That game was won till Roger Craig coughed it up

The Giants were a better team regardless. They would have dominated the Niners in New York or a neutral field. Niners barely squeaked by in the regular season against them in Candlestick. I don't think even with a healthy Montana, the Niners beat the Bills who were the best team in the league. That was by far the best Bills Super Bowl team who's defense never measured up after the 1990 season.

[JoeTait75]

Really a shame for the Bills that they didn't play the 49ers in any of those Super Bowls. They matched up far better against San Francisco than any of those rough-and-tumble NFC East teams.

[Avante]

Joe Montana had an uncannny knack for knowing exactly where his receivers would end up. He had the mental aspects of game totally down. The best I've ever seen.

[Clipper Nation]

Joe Montana had an uncannny knack for knowing exactly where his receivers would end up. He had the mental aspects of game totally down. The best I've ever seen.
It's called "throwing the receiver open," and it's part of what separates the real franchise quarterbacks from the Struggle Wilsons.

[Avante]

It's called "throwing the receiver open," and it's part of what separates the real franchise quarterbacks from the Struggle Wilsons.

First off "throwing the receiver open" is totally different than what I was talking about. As usual, wrong again.

A franchise QB's job is to win games, nobody has won more in just three seasons. One more time.....his comp % (you do know what that is, right?) is superior to anyones after three seasons.

Little man, with each post ya look dumber and dumber.

[Phillip]

Still waiting to see objective, legit proof that Montana is unquestionably superior to Brady.

I'm thinking it's not gonna be presented... because it doesn't exist.

:lmao russell wilson

[Infinite_limit]

ROFL and Niners fans accuse Pats fans of being homerish?

Let me try this stupid game out

2001 11-3, SB CHAMPS
2002 9-7 [hell of a lot better than 3-6 tho]
2003 14-2 SB CHAMPS
2004 14-2 SB CHAMPS
2005 10-6 [a slew of bullshit calls, Plummer literally had to drive like 50 yds for 21 pts, and Champ Bailey's INT/fumble should have been a touchback]
2006 12-4 Lost to Indy [called BS offensive PI on troy Brown on what could have give them a 28-3 lead. Also Reche fucking Caldwell]
2007 16-0 [Helmet Catch]
2008 injured
2009 10-6 Lost to Balt [takes over a full season of play for a QB to fully recover from a torn ACL]
2010 14-2 Lost to Jets
2011 13-3 [Welker Drop]
2012 12-4 Lost to Balt
2013 12-4 Lost to Denver
2014 12-4 SB CHAMPS

6 out of 14 seasons
2005 blown calls
2006 blown calls, Reche Caldwell
2008 injury
2009 injury

You could argue 8 out of 12 seasons. More impressive than Montana.
2002
2009
2010
2011
2012
2013


^ That's alot of failure

[Avante]

Still waiting to see objective, legit proof that Montana is unquestionably superior to Brady.

I'm thinking it's not gonna be presented... because it doesn't exist.

:lmao russell wilson

Who is faster a guy running a 10.06 on a dirt track in 1964 or a guy running a 9.86 on a synthetic track in 2015?

Russell Wilson has already won as many SB's as KC, it took him two seasons, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Infinite_limit]

1990 had very little to do with Montana's injury. That game was won till Roger Craig coughed it up
The argument is Montana behind center is able to get the needed 1st Down to run out the clock. He had hit John Taylor for a 60 yard TD the previous drive. While Giants needed 5 field goals and a fake punt

[Aztecfan03]

Still waiting to see objective, legit proof that Montana is unquestionably superior to Brady.

I'm thinking it's not gonna be presented... because it doesn't exist.

:lmao russell wilson

Of course you won't becuase it is all opinion.

[Aztecfan03]

2002
2009
2010
2011
2012
2013


^ That's alot of failure

not to mention he is counting super bowl losses and is magically trying to add even two more.

[Blake]

Joe Montana had an uncannny knack for knowing exactly where his receivers would end up. He had the mental aspects of game totally down. The best I've ever seen.

Since you're a fat ol fuck with horrible football takes a terrible documented gambling record, your opinion is shit.

lol :cry "but I'm 280 lbs of twisted steel" :cry

[Blake]

2002
2009
2010
2011
2012
2013


^ That's alot of failure

How many failures does Joe have again?

[Infinite_limit]

How many failures does Joe have again?
Not 5+ straight years

[Blake]

Not 5+ straight years

Not what i asked.

[Infinite_limit]

Not what i asked.
I posted on previous page

[Avante]

There is a reason all of us who know the game because we've been into the game for decades, go with Joe Montana as the best ever.

Sometimes it simply comes down to watching the games. I've never seen a better QB.

[Silver&Black]

There is a reason all of us who know the game because we've been into the game for decades, go with Joe Montana as the best ever.

Sometimes it simply comes down to watching the games. I've never seen a better QB.

This post makes it seem like Joe Montana is the only answer to the "Who is the GOAT" question.....It's not that easy my friend.

Tom Brady also deserves consideration....and IMO Tom Brady is the GOAT.

Tell me this Avante. Is it harder to win now or when Joe played? What I mean is are the players bigger, stronger, and faster today? Or 30 years ago?

[Phillip]

Of course you won't becuase it is all opinion.

To an extent.

There are facts that can prove it as well. But fact is, Montana doesn't have them. Brady does.

Either way, my question came as a result of someone claiming "Montana is clearly better than Brady" which was not presented or stated as an opinion, but rather as a fact, which is why I asked for the facts to be presented.

[Phillip]

I posted on previous page

Not entirely. Some years were left out conveniently.

[Avante]

This post makes it seem like Joe Montana is the only answer to the "Who is the GOAT" question.....It's not that easy my friend.

Tom Brady also deserves consideration....and IMO Tom Brady is the GOAT.

Tell me this Avante. Is it harder to win now or when Joe played? What I mean is are the players bigger, stronger, and faster today? Or 30 years ago?

Sure a realistic argument can be made for Tom Brady. But I care more about those who saw him play every game of his career (living in Cali) than someone who simply knows...about...him. I've also seen all of Brady's big games.

We all have our opinions, mine is that when it comes to QB's, I'd take Montana over everyone else.

[lefty]

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRLUTNz_S8VGpP48opCZ5f3DLm9f8Agq nYu-vGBzg-U_bmYhUx2LQ

[Aztecfan03]

But fact is, Montana doesn't have them. Brady does.



false

[Silver&Black]

Sure a realistic argument can be made for Tom Brady. But I care more about those who saw him play every game of his career (living in Cali) than someone who simply knows...about...him. I've also seen all of Brady's big games.

We all have our opinions, mine is that when it comes to QB's, I'd take Montana over everyone else.

And you might be correct. But just because you "saw him play every game" doesn't sway my opinion one way or the other.

But you still haven't answered my question. Is it harder to win today or 30 years ago? Also....did the 49ers deal with roster changes due to "free agency" like the Patriots have? If you're going to be fair about this conversation.....all these things should be considered.

[Avante]

And you might be correct. But just because you "saw him play every game" doesn't sway my opinion one way or the other.

But you still haven't answered my question. Is it harder to win today or 30 years ago? Also....did the 49ers deal with roster changes due to "free agency" like the Patriots have? If you're going to be fair about this conversation.....all these things should be considered.

When it comes to sport we can't really get too carried away with eras. So you go with....dominance of era. I have no doubts at all that Ohio State would have beaten the 60 Packers. We see high school lines today bigger than back in the day pro lines.

So all this...easier today, harder today.....nay~~~~~~~~~ You go with ...dominance of era.

Jesse Owens once broke five WR and tied another at a Big10 meet back in the 30's. There are high school kids today that would smoke him

All this...well ya see free agency and.....has nothing to do with anything. Once again....dominance of era.

[Phillip]

false

Prove it.

[Silver&Black]

When it comes to sport we can't really get too carried away with eras. So you go with....dominance of era. I have no doubts at all that Ohio State would have beaten the 60 Packers. We see high school lines today bigger than back in the day pro lines.

So all this...easier today, harder today.....nay~~~~~~~~~ You go with ...dominance of era.

Jesse Owens once broke five WR and tied another at a Big10 meet back in the 30's. There are high school kids today that would smoke him

All this...well ya see free agency and.....has nothing to do with anything. Once again....dominance of era.

Well you shouldn't say that Joe Montana is the GOAT. You should in fact be saying that Joe Cool is the best of his era. And Tom Brady is the best of his era.....

[Avante]

Well you shouldn't say that Joe Montana is the GOAT. You should in fact be saying that Joe Cool is the best of his era. And Tom Brady is the best of his era.....

But it doesn't work that way.

You go with who was the most dominant in their era. Like Jim Brown was in the 60's, Don Hutson in the 30's.

When Montana was playing there was no debate about who was "da man". We do see....Brady/Manning/Rodgers..today.

[Silver&Black]

But it doesn't work that way.

You go with who was the most dominant in their era. Like Jim Brown was in the 60's, Don Hutson in the 30's.

When Montana was playing there was no debate about who was "da man". We do see....Brady/Manning/Rodgers..today.

Avante.....don't go there. This conversation was going so well.

Rodgers still has time....he's fairly young still. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt....and if he wins a couple more SuperBowls.....I'll start this conversation over.

But don't bring up Manning....please don't. He's Tom Brady's bitch....

[Blake]

I posted on previous page

did you include Kansas City years or will it make your argument fail if you do

[Blake]

But it doesn't work that way.

You go with who was the most dominant in their era. Like Jim Brown was in the 60's, Don Hutson in the 30's.

When Montana was playing there was no debate about who was "da man". We do see....Brady/Manning/Rodgers..today.

when Steve Young arrived there was debate as to who was "duh man" on the 49ers.

[Blake]

Lol fat ol fuck still has me on ignore

[Blake]

There is a reason all of us who know the game because we've been into the game for decades, go with Joe Montana as the best ever.

Sometimes it simply comes down to watching the games. I've never seen a better QB.

You've proven you don't know the game.

And you're fat.

[Avante]

Avante.....don't go there. This conversation was going so well.

Rodgers still has time....he's fairly young still. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt....and if he wins a couple more SuperBowls.....I'll start this conversation over.

But don't bring up Manning....please don't. He's Tom Brady's bitch....

Well then Aaron Rodgers is Russell Wlson's bitch, he's 0-3 vs him. Do we really use that at some barometer of anything?

Peyton Manning had one of the truly amazing NFL careers. Forget the stupid....but he lost....that's what dummies play. Who was better Dan Marino or the 4 time SB champ Terry Bradshaw? Johnny Unitas was far better than the two time SB champ Bart Starr.

If they ever chisel out a Mount Rushmore for QB's.

John Unitas
Joe Montana
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning

[Silver&Black]

Well then Aaron Rodgers is Russell Wlson's bitch, he's 0-3 vs him. Do we really use that at some barometer of anything?

Peyton Manning had one of the truly amazing NFL careers. Forget the stupid....but he lost....that's what dummies play. Who was better Dan Marino or the 4 time SB champ Terry Bradshaw? Johnny Unitas was far better than the two time SB champ Bart Starr.

If they ever chisel out a Mount Rushmore for QB's.

John Unitas
Joe Montana
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning

Most people call Peyton the best regular season QB of all time. And again....this maybe correct. The stats obviously say that Peyton is a great QB....and I'm not calling him a "bust" by any stretch of the imagination.

But the "best regular season QB of all time" line is not really a compliment. There is always a "but" to begin the next sentence. And that sentence is "But....he under-performed (and some people say "choked") in the playoffs."

And with the Russel Wilson vs. Aaron Rodgers comment.....3 games isn't exactly a great sample size to go with. How many times have Brady and Manning played? A helluva lot more than 3 games........

[Infinite_limit]

This post makes it seem like Joe Montana is the only answer to the "Who is the GOAT" question.....It's not that easy my friend.

Tom Brady also deserves consideration....and IMO Tom Brady is the GOAT.

Tell me this Avante. Is it harder to win now or when Joe played? What I mean is are the players bigger, stronger, and faster today? Or 30 years ago?
It works both ways Are Brady's offensive teammates not bigger, stronger, faster than Joe's?

[Infinite_limit]

And you might be correct. But just because you "saw him play every game" doesn't sway my opinion one way or the other.

But you still haven't answered my question. Is it harder to win today or 30 years ago? Also....did the 49ers deal with roster changes due to "free agency" like the Patriots have? If you're going to be fair about this conversation.....all these things should be considered.
It works both ways. Did Joe not face defenses that did not deal with roster changes?

[Silver&Black]

It works both ways Are Brady's offensive teammates not bigger, stronger, faster than Joe's?

Of course they are. And that is a legitimate critique....

But it still doesn't change my initial claim that it is harder to win today than it was 30 years ago.....

[Infinite_limit]

did you include Kansas City years or will it make your argument fail if you do
OP asked specifically about his coach and roster in SF. I answered it.

The Patriots played in the SB within 5 years of drafting Brady. Chiefs hadn't made the AFC Title Game in 25 years

[Infinite_limit]

Of course they are. And that is a legitimate critique....

But it still doesn't change my initial claim that it is harder to win today than it was 30 years ago.....
Quarterbacks could be legally knocked out in Joes time. Today you can't hit a QB high, low or viciously

And it's extremely easy to pass offense. Which is why we have players like Wilson, Newton, Kaepernick being successful.

It's easier to Quarterback today

[Blake]

If they ever chisel out a Mount Rushmore for QB's.






If there was a Mount Rushmore for fat ol fucks, there'd literally be no room for anyone else after they put you up there

[Blake]

OP asked specifically about his coach and roster in SF. I answered it.

The Patriots played in the SB within 5 years of drafting Brady. Chiefs hadn't made the AFC Title Game in 25 years

I asked you a very specific, easy to answer question and you're running away from it.

[Blake]

It works both ways Are Brady's offensive teammates not bigger, stronger, faster than Joe's?

it works both ways. Are Brady's opponents bigger, stronger and faster than Joe's?

[Avante]

Most people call Peyton the best regular season QB of all time. And again....this maybe correct. The stats obviously say that Peyton is a great QB....and I'm not calling him a "bust" by any stretch of the imagination.

But the "best regular season QB of all time" line is not really a compliment. There is always a "but" to begin the next sentence. And that sentence is "But....he under-performed (and some people say "choked") in the playoffs."

And with the Russel Wilson vs. Aaron Rodgers comment.....3 games isn't exactly a great sample size to go with. How many times have Brady and Manning played? A helluva lot more than 3 games........

There have been thousands of guy play QB in the NFL, so who do we know/hear about?

"Slingin' " Sammy Baugh
Otto Graham
Johnny Unitas

We are talking about 40 years there and only three or so that made a real impact. Well Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Joe Montana all made a huge impact. There is no discussion of great QB's without them.

[Blake]

There have been thousands of guy play QB in the NFL, so who do we know/hear about?

"Slingin' " Sammy Baugh
Otto Graham
Johnny Unitas

We are talking about 40 years there and only three or so that made a real impact. Well Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Joe Montana all made a huge impact. There is no discussion of great QB's without them.

40 years ago you were hitting on underage girls while stationed in Olongapo.

Sick fuck.

[Avante]

Quarterbacks could be legally knocked out in Joes time. Today you can't hit a QB high, low or viciously

And it's extremely easy to pass offense. Which is why we have players like Wilson, Newton, Kaepernick being successful.

It's easier to Quarterback today

Good point!

Back in the day you could destroy a QB, he was no different than a RB.

[Blake]

Good point!

Back in the day you could destroy a QB, he was no different than a RB.

Back in the day you thought you could destroy underage pussy as long as it was legal over there.

[Aztecfan03]

Prove it.

You are the one that said there is proof that brady is better.

[Phillip]

You are the one that said there is proof that brady is better.

I know. Prove me wrong.

[HI-FI]

Joe Montana had an uncannny knack for knowing exactly where his receivers would end up. He had the mental aspects of game totally down. The best I've ever seen.
cosigned. Kurt Warner and P. Manning are also two of the best I've seen at hitting guys in stride, right where they are supposed to be. Rodgers is closest to Montana I've seen in being able to scramble, throw from awkward angles and still be accurate.

[lefty]

Brady on the bench after Seattle scored the last TD of the 1st half:

"Its OK, we're gonna beat their asses after HT"

:wow


Ny nikkuh :lol

[HI-FI]

http://thebiglead.com/2015/02/02/tom-brady-tied-joe-montana-in-super-bowl-rings-but-joe-cool-still-on-top-in-super-bowl-performances/


good article on how Brady and Joe Cool compare. Montana still comes out on top (i figured this was common sense but if people want some numbers)

from the article

In their best five statistical seasons, Brady played with 15 pro bowlers on offense (3 per year) and 6 all pros, including Randy Moss in his best year. Montana played with 12 pro bowlers (2.4 per year) and 3 all pros (two being Rice in 1987 and 1989). For what it’s worth, Montana only played with Rice in two of his top five statistical seasons, Rice was a rookie in #6, and Montana was in KC for #7.
but but brady has no help :cry

this next one is interesting and was always a gut feeling of mine.

It’s an interesting phenomenon. Three of Joe Montana’s Super Bowl titles came in his five best passing seasons. None of Brady’s have. It’s almost like the Patriots have been better in other areas in years they have won the title, to compensate for a little less offensive firepower.
ouch, stings a little bit.

definitely worth reading, it has some other good info.

[HI-FI]

another stat comparison/breakdown on how they compare, from nate silver's fivethirtyeight site. Real good read, Brady's numbers are definitely impressive, but based on how they formulated it, they got Montana and Warner above Brady for the postseason.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/tom-bradys-statistical-place-in-the-pantheon-of-nfl-qbs/

[Infinite_limit]

Great find HI-FI

[Pelicans78]

So I guess Hi-Fi "proved it".

[LnGrrrR]

One thing to note is Brady's "lost" year in 2008. You gotta figure they would have had a good chance to compete for a title. I don't think Brady was whole until 2010 or so.

What was the SF defensive ranking in the years they won it?

[Infinite_limit]

So I guess Hi-Fi "proved it".
Chiefs fan vanished

[Phillip]

http://thebiglead.com/2015/02/02/tom-brady-tied-joe-montana-in-super-bowl-rings-but-joe-cool-still-on-top-in-super-bowl-performances/


good article on how Brady and Joe Cool compare. Montana still comes out on top (i figured this was common sense but if people want some numbers)

from the article

but but brady has no help :cry

this next one is interesting and was always a gut feeling of mine.

ouch, stings a little bit.

definitely worth reading, it has some other good info.


another stat comparison/breakdown on how they compare, from nate silver's fivethirtyeight site. Real good read, Brady's numbers are definitely impressive, but based on how they formulated it, they got Montana and Warner above Brady for the postseason.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/tom-bradys-statistical-place-in-the-pantheon-of-nfl-qbs/

:lmao a bunch of "stats" that provide little to no explanation for how they came to create these stats doesn't prove jack, as well as some other nonsensical stats that doesn't take 90% of the rest of game situations into account. Highly hilarious that 49er fans would post this, after the excuses for "situations" that you idiots posted earlier in this thread ":cry montana got robbed by a call :cry montana got robbed by a lucky play etc etc..." but ignores the fact that Brady in both SBs that the Pats lost, got his team to a late lead in the game, only for the defense to fail miserably by allowing the Giants to score with only a few seconds on the clock, while giving up what are arguably the two greatest and luckiest SB catches of all time (Tyree and Manningham).

Situations can go back and forth, but fact is both QBs are/were natural winners, won 4 SBs, won 2 MVPs, and 3 SB MVPs. You can make washout arguments for eras saying "It was a bit harder to pass in Montana's day" and "Defenses are much stronger, faster, and CLEARLY more strategic/sophisticated in Brady's day". You can make washout arguments that "Montana was a bit more mobile" and "Brady is bigger with a stronger arm". Then you can make counter arguments "Montana was the beneficiary of a transcendent system" and "Brady got protected by refs from cheap shots". Both were comeback kings, with fantastic stats for both, although Brady has a slight edge, but lets call it a wash. Both had comparable teams through their careers, although from about 09-13 the general talent Brady had was worse than anything Montana had, but lets just say that's a wash too, for the sake of you crybaby 49er fans/joe apologists. Both had generally fantastic playoff careers, but occasionally had awful performances as well, even getting outplayed by mediocre QBs in playoff games, with arguable "choke jobs" for each.

Here are the facts. Brady has clearly better, and more efficient stats while being more durable and long lasting. Brady also has better records both in the playoffs and regular season. Brady got his team farther in the playoffs more frequently than Montana did as well.

Brady > Montana

No proof to show otherwise, other than some junk stats that were clearly pulled together for the sole sake of trying to make Montana look superior in certain situations. I could go and find about 15 articles doing the same for Brady. Your best argument, was yet again, a wash.

Facts are facts.

Sorry.


Chiefs fan vanished

:rollin what a faggot

Kindly kill yourself after your 18 vanishes throughout this thread after you posted clearly incorrect material to "prove" Montana > Brady.

[monosylab1k]

Eli 2-0 in Super Bowls
Elway 2-3 in Super Bowls

Clearly Eli > Elway

[AlexJones]

Brady already has Montana in his rear view mirror... he's looking to surpass Jordan and Tiger Woods next tbh

[Killakobe81]

Brady whether you like him or not has strong case. The fact he has been in contention SB appearances, AFC title and divisional games almost every year is more impressive than 4-0. I dont even like the cheaters and of course I dont like the Niners but I respected the shit out of Joe.

At 4-0 it was Joe at 4-2 it's Brady.

[spurraider21]

lol Woods

if you're going to throw in fucking golfers, we might as well add other GOATS like Garry Kasparov

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Eli 2-0 in Super Bowls
Elway 2-3 in Super Bowls

Clearly Eli > Elway
Eli never went Back2Back

[Blake]

Eli never went Back2Back

because that's an important argumentEXCLAMATIONPOINT

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because that's an important argumentEXCLAMATIONPOINT
Only the best of the best repeat. It signifies complete domination over an extended period of time

Giants combined record for Eli's 2 SBs: 19-13 (59%)

^ Fluke. Would not qualify for Playoffs in some given seasons

[Blake]

Only the best of the best repeat. It signifies complete domination over an extended period of time

Giants combined record for Eli's 2 SBs: 19-13 (59%)

^ Fluke. Would not qualify for Playoffs in some given seasons

How do you rank Tim Duncan then

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How do you rank Tim Duncan then
Championships in 3 different decades is Epic.

[Clipper Nation]

Only the best of the best repeat. It signifies complete domination over an extended period of time

Giants combined record for Eli's 2 SBs: 19-13 (59%)

^ Fluke. Would not qualify for Playoffs in some given seasons
:lmao Still butthurt over your boy Alice Smith going 1-13 on third down.

[Blake]

Championships in 3 different decades is Epic.

It's neat how you're making up rules of greatness as you go