Brady the GOAT

[BatManu20]

It's undeniable now imo. He's the GOAT.


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[Kool Bob Love]

Cheater

[Pelicans78]

Montana still better. But Brady is arguably clear number two.

[Robz4000]

Montana still better. But Brady is arguably clear number two.

[Kool Bob Love]

He cheated. Joe never had to cheat to win.

[BatManu20]

I'm not even a Pats fan.. But 4 rings and EVERY major post-season passing record... And only player ever with 6 SB appearances.. And in BOTH of those SB losses, he gave his team the lead with less than 3 minutes left, before the D let the Giants score...

It's undeniable to me imo.

[BatManu20]

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[Blizzardwizard]

:cry

[Brazil]

Kool is salty

:lmao

[Brazil]

:cry

Grats Blizz tbh

[RD2191]

Cheater

[RD2191]

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And 1 deflated ball.

[Kool Bob Love]

Kool is salty

:lmao

how? NFL is gonna strip the title tomorrow. No worries.

[Raven]

it's undeniable imo. That sb run is the nail in the coffin, the wins against baltimore and seadderals are pure willpower and mastery.

[Clipper Nation]

Montana >>>>>>>>>>>> Brady. That was already set in stone in 2007.

[Kawhi]

I'm not even a Pats fan.. But 4 rings and EVERY major post-season passing record... And only player ever with 6 SB appearances.. And in BOTH of those SB losses, he gave his team the lead with less than 3 minutes left, before the D let the Giants score...

It's undeniable to me imo.
4*

[sook]

GOAT.

Yes.

[unleashbaynes]

:lmao Brady is undeniable now.

[Kawhi]

'Goats' don't throw checkdowns all game

[Malik Hairston]

Easily the greatest, tbh, the Tim Duncan of the NFL, even takes pay cuts:(

[resistanze]

No.

But Brady vs. Manning debate ended 3 weeks ago.

[lefty]

Kool is salty

:lmao

[dbreiden83080]

Between spy gate and this recent nonsense too much of his championship success has been tainted.

[Brazil]

No.

But Brady vs. Manning debate ended 3 weeks ago.

Nope debate ended well before that

[sook]

Between spy gate and this recent nonsense too much of his championship success has been tainted.

....:lmao

[Brazil]

Damn

people are really butt hurt

:lmao

[resistanze]

Nope debate ended well before that

Fivehead with a dominant SB run could've made it a real debate. Brady is 2nd all-time for me tbh.

[AchillesHeel]

most TDs in SB history
4 SB rings
3x SB MVP
game-winning drive, 4 TDs against the best defense in the league, overcoming a 10-point deficit in the 4th

it's a wrap.

[lefty]

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[TampaDude]

Montana and Bradshaw also have 4 SB rings each, and they never lost a SB.

[Infinite_limit]

I already had Brady in my Top 3
- Montana
- Unitas
- Brady

Tom would need to Win 1 more seriously challenge Joe Cool

[Pelicans78]

Brady played in an era for inflated passing numbers.

[spurraider21]

he's undeniably the best qb of this generation

[Pelicans78]

he's undeniably the best qb of this generation

Yes. No debate.

[TampaDude]

BOILED DOWN:::

Duncan 5

Brady 4

Duncan > Brady

:lol

[jag]

Nope debate ended well before that

[resistanze]

Montana and Bradshaw also have 4 SB rings each, and they never lost a SB.

I don't see how losing before the Superbowl is a point that puts them above Brady. I'd rather be 4-2 in the SB than 4-0.

[spurraider21]

I don't see how losing before the Superbowl is a point that puts them above Brady. I'd rather be 4-2 in the SB than 4-0.
:lol this

brady has 6 conference championships while montana has 4... therefore montana is better? :lol

[BatManu20]

I don't see how losing before the Superbowl is a point that puts them above Brady. I'd rather be 4-2 in the SB than 4-0.

Exactly. And Brady led his team down the field and scored to give his team the lead in both SB losses.. the D just couldn't stop NYG from scoring (thanks in large part to two ridiculous catches and 1 Welker drop). Brady could easily be 6-0 right now if not for those miraculous plays/Welker drop.

Not to mention Montana was throwing to the greatest WR of all time. I just think overall what Brady has done gives him the GOAT title. Either way, it'll be a good topic of discussion for a long time.

[Pelicans78]

Montana won 2 Super Bowls without Rice.

And Montana could have led other Niner teams to the Super Bowl in the 90s if not getting benched and later traded to the Chiefs.

[Phillip]

Montana and Bradshaw also have 4 SB rings each, and they never lost a SB.

Stupidest argument ever. It literally does not make any sense as a knock against Brady.

[dirk4mvp]

Exactly. And Brady led his team down the field and scored to give his team the lead in both SB losses.. the D just couldn't stop NYG from scoring (thanks in large part to two ridiculous catches and 1 Welker drop). Brady could easily be 6-0 right now if not for those miraculous plays/Welker drop.

Not to mention Montana was throwing to the greatest WR of all time. I just think overall what Brady has done gives him the GOAT title. Either way, it'll be a good topic of discussion for a long time.

He could also be 3-3 if not for det call.

[Phillip]

Brady played in an era for inflated passing numbers.

Montana played in an era where defenses were physically not equipped or capable of handling West Coast Offenses. Literally had mismatches that teams did not know how to handle, or didn't have the personnel to handle.

[Pelicans78]

Brady has the longevity on his side, but he's also played in an era where the QB has every imaginable advantage especially compared to previous eras. Who's to say he would have been as durable when the rules aren't so much on his side. He's a great QB, arguably top two, but the only advantage he has on Montana is longevity.

[Pelicans78]

Montana played in an era where defenses were physically not equipped or capable of handling West Coast Offenses. Literally had mismatches that teams did not know how to handle, or didn't have the personnel to handle.

Bullshit. Those Bears, Redskins, and Giants defenses in the 80s always had answers for the Niners offense. And they could do whatever they wanted with the rules back then. The NFL wasn't pussified until the mid 2000s when Peyton demanded the rules get changed.

[Phillip]

Bullshit. Those Bears, Redskins, and Giants defenses in the 80s always had answers for the Niners offense. And they could do whatever they wanted with the rules back then. The NFL wasn't pussified until the mid 2000s when Peyton demanded the rules get changed.

WTF are you talking about? The Bears were one of the worst equipped teams to handle the WCO. Their 46 was KNOWN for being exploited by a quick passing attack.

Kill yourself.

[spurraider21]

Montana won 2 Super Bowls without Rice.

And Montana could have led other Niner teams to the Super Bowl in the 90s if not getting benched and later traded to the Chiefs.
not like brady had elite receivers in his first few runs. not to mention Montana was still playing with Clark for those first two, a hall of fame receiver in his own right

[Phillip]

Brady has the longevity on his side, but he's also played in an era where the QB has every imaginable advantage especially compared to previous eras. Who's to say he would have been as durable when the rules aren't so much on his side. He's a great QB, arguably top two, but the only advantage he has on Montana is longevity.

And modern era defenses are much bigger, faster, stronger athletes that QBs have to deal with. The speed of the game in general is faster now than ever before, despite the protection of QBs, due to faggot teams like the Steelers who intentionally try to hurt opposing QBs because anyone knows if you lose your starting QB, your season is almost certainly over.

[Pelicans78]

WTF are you talking about? The Bears were one of the worst equipped teams to handle the WCO. Their 46 was KNOWN for being exploited by a quick passing attack.

Kill yourself.

And they still dominated the Niners in 1985 :lol

But the Giants kicked the Niners ass in the playoffs in back to back years and eliminated them in 1990.

[Pelicans78]

And modern era defenses are much bigger, faster, stronger athletes that QBs have to deal with. The speed of the game in general is faster now than ever before, despite the protection of QBs, due to faggot teams like the Steelers who intentionally try to hurt opposing QBs because anyone knows if you lose your starting QB, your season is almost certainly over.

And offenses have dominated more than ever. The passing game has exploded, spread offenses have played a big part in this league the last few seasons and the athletes are also bigger and faster on the offensive side.

[Phillip]

And they still dominated the Niners in 1985 :lol

But the Giants kicked the Niners ass in the playoffs in back to back years and eliminated them in 1990.

Exactly my point. Despite having a system that teams were not equipped to defend, when adversity struck, Montana struggled like anyone else does. He wasn't unstoppable, unflappable, and NEVER put mediocre talent on his back the way Brady or Manning has had to through large chunks of their careers.

And as teams got equipped to defend them, they started flaming out early each year. So I don't get what makes Montana so unquestionably better than Brady.

[resistanze]

I mean I think Montana and Brady are neck and neck now. It's not egregious to have either on top of the other.

[Ice009]

I don't know. Two lucky ass wins (2001 and this one) and two chokes, not sure about that at all.

If the Rams won like they should have, I think there was a chance that Brady gets benched during or after the following season when the Patriots didn't even make the playoffs. From that point, he may not have ever won a super bowl. It's a very fine line. He's a much better player now then he was then though, but he got all the chances he needed to work on it with a great team around him.

Montana's still number 1 to me and also a few other quarterbacks were great, but unfortunately they didn't get to play in or win as many super bowls as Brady. I still think Kurt Warner was the better quarterback between the two in the 2001 super bowl.

They had lucky shit happen time after time during that first run. Adam Vinatieri was the MVP of that first Superbowl and possibly that whole playoff run.

[Phillip]

I don't know. Two lucky ass wins (2001 and this one) and two chokes, not sure about that at all.

If the Rams won like they should have, I think there was a chance that Brady gets benched during or after the following season when the Patriots didn't even make the playoffs. From that point, he may not have ever won a super bowl. It's a very fine line. He's a much better player now then he was then though, but he got all the chances he needed to work on it with a great team around him.

Montana's still number 1 to me and also a few other quarterbacks were great, but unfortunately they didn't get to play in or win as many super bowls as Brady. I still think Kurt Warner was the better quarterback between the two in the 2001 super bowl.

They had lucky shit happen time after time during that first run. Adam Vinatieri was the MVP of that first Superbowl and possibly that whole playoff run.

Two lucky losses too, don't forget those. I was happy the giants won them, but they were just as, if not more lucky than 01 and this one. And if we wanna talk about luck, it was pure luck that Seattle even had it down on the goal line to begin with. :rolleyes

[BatManu20]

:lol

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[Ice009]

Exactly. And Brady led his team down the field and scored to give his team the lead in both SB losses.. the D just couldn't stop NYG from scoring (thanks in large part to two ridiculous catches and 1 Welker drop). Brady could easily be 6-0 right now if not for those miraculous plays/Welker drop.

Not to mention Montana was throwing to the greatest WR of all time. I just think overall what Brady has done gives him the GOAT title. Either way, it'll be a good topic of discussion for a long time.

Brady didn't play as well as you're saying in those two Superbowls against the Giants. That's one of the reasons why they lost. He wasn't playing one of his better games in either or those superbowls. I seem to recall them bringing up excuses about his ankle after one of them.

[Pelicans78]

Exactly my point. Despite having a system that teams were not equipped to defend, when adversity struck, Montana struggled like anyone else does. He wasn't unstoppable, unflappable, and NEVER put mediocre talent on his back the way Brady or Manning has had to through large chunks of their careers.

And as teams got equipped to defend them, they started flaming out early each year. So I don't get what makes Montana so unquestionably better than Brady.

No, they won back to back in 1988 and 1989 after losing to the Giants in 86 and 87 and reached the NFC Title game in 1990 and lost on a last second FG after Montana was knocked out of the game and basically missed the following season and benched in 1992. However, he gets traded to the Chiefs and carries them to the AFC Title game in his first year at the age of 38 :lol

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Didn't Montana luck out in Superbowl game winning drive? Something about a db dropping an interception that hit him on the chest iirc?

[Ice009]

Two lucky losses too, don't forget those. I was happy the giants won them, but they were just as, if not more lucky than 01 and this one. And if we wanna talk about luck, it was pure luck that Seattle even had it down on the goal line to begin with. :rolleyes

Sorry, I disagree. Montana's the better player between the two. I don't think I'll change my mind on that.

[Clipper Nation]

Montana won 2 Super Bowls without Rice.

And Montana could have led other Niner teams to the Super Bowl in the 90s if not getting benched and later traded to the Chiefs.

Montana also played when defense was allowed. And Brady choked in the Super Bowl with Moss, Welker, and what was at the time the greatest offense in NFL history.

[cjw]

Pretty pedestrian today. Lots of the yardage was Vereen and Edelman after the catch. Two AWFUL interceptions (not tipped balls).

That said while he wasn't the MVP tonight, he's cemented himself ahead of the rest of his generation once and for all. Peyton is Karl Malone with a ring by default because he faced Rex Grossman in the Super Bowl.

[Phillip]

Sorry, I disagree. Montana's the better player between the two. I don't think I'll change my mind on that.

Prove it.

[Ice009]

Pretty pedestrian today. Lots of the yardage was Vereen and Edelman after the catch. Two AWFUL interceptions (not tipped balls).

That said while he wasn't the MVP tonight, he's cemented himself ahead of the rest of his generation once and for all. Peyton is Karl Malone with a ring by default because he faced Rex Grossman in the Super Bowl.

I agree with that. He's earned best of his generation, not best of all time though IMO.

[Phillip]

Didn't Montana luck out in Superbowl game winning drive? Something about a db dropping an interception that hit him on the chest iirc?

Of course people won't want to remember details like that, among many others. Nope, in their minds Montana was perfect and made no mistakes and had no weaknesses.

[Pelicans78]

Didn't Montana luck out in Superbowl game winning drive? Something about a db dropping an interception that hit him on the chest iirc?

It was a dropped pick earlier in the game, but not on the game-winning drive.

[Ice009]

Prove it.

Montana - 11 TD passes 0 interceptions in 4 superbowls. It took Brady 6 superbowls to break his TD passing record.

[spurraider21]

Prove it.
you want him to prove that he disagrees?

[BatManu20]

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[HI-FI]

Cheater
my nigga.

Montana >>>>>>>>>>>> Brady. That was already set in stone in 2007.
cosigned.

[Infinite_limit]

I don't see how losing before the Superbowl is a point that puts them above Brady. I'd rather be 4-2 in the SB than 4-0.
Simply not the case, especially if you consider Montana has never thrown an INT

If Lynch breaks an extra tackle and sneaks into the end zone, the story line tomorrow is "Tom did not play well enough to break his Super Bowl losing streak". His 2 INTs were quite bad.

Joe: 4 perfect games, his final 3 SB's totaled 985 yards + 10 TDs

[Malik Hairston]

:lol sports fans are so stupid with their logic..

Losing in the semis/conference finals > losing in the finals:lol..doesn't make any sense..it's the same logic they used with Lebron, too..

[spurraider21]

:lol sports fans are so stupid with their logic..

Losing in the semis/conference finals > losing in the finals:lol..doesn't make any sense..it's the same logic they used with Lebron, too..
i largely agree with this. but there is also the element of closing it out. its like missing a game winning shot as time expires vs missing a big shot one minute prior.

but yeah, i'll take a superbowl loss vs no appearance... any day of the weak. anybody who says otherwise just hasn't put enough thought into what they're saying

[BatManu20]

:lol sports fans are so stupid with their logic..

Losing in the semis/conference finals > losing in the finals:lol..doesn't make any sense..it's the same logic they used with Lebron, too..



i largely agree with this. but there is also the element of closing it out. its like missing a game winning shot as time expires vs missing a big shot one minute prior.

but yeah, i'll take a superbowl loss vs no appearance... any day of the weak. anybody who says otherwise just hasn't put enough thought into what they're saying


All this :tu

[FkLA]

I didn't watch Montana/Marino but I was always on the Peyton=GOAT wagon until this year. Brady is the best of this generation. Nigga has that prettyboy swag tbh.

[spurraider21]

I didn't watch Montana/Marino but I was always on the Peyton=GOAT wagon until this year. Brady is the best of this generation. Nigga has that prettyboy swag tbh.
i'm the same way

[Infinite_limit]

I didn't watch Montana/Marino but I was always on the Peyton=GOAT wagon until this year. Brady is the best of this generation. Nigga has that prettyboy swag tbh.
:wow

[Clipper Nation]

:lol sports fans are so stupid with their logic..

Losing in the semis/conference finals > losing in the finals:lol..doesn't make any sense..it's the same logic they used with Lebron, too..

I usually agree, but 18-1 was such a gigantic choke that it has to be held against Brady. Other than that, it's really the fact that defense was allowed in Montana's era and that it took Brady six Super Bowls to break a touchdown record that Montana set in four that puts Montana way ahead of Brady.

[Infinite_limit]

You can't lose to Eli Manning twice and be an equal of Joe Cool


Upset Superior Opponent
- Joe vs 1981 Bengals
- Tom vs 2001 Rams

Defeat a Legend
- Joe vs Marino
- Tom vs Warner

Decapitate your opponent
- Joe vs Elway
- Tom vs ?

Come from behind victory
- Joe vs 1989 Bengals
- Tom vs 2015 Seahawks

[HI-FI]

shit I've never even called Peyton the GOAT. probably regular season GOAT though. definitely one of the best and one of my favorites for changing how QBs direct the offense instead of acting like robots out there.

Marino is the best pure passer I've seen and he'd rocco siffredi the league with the modern rules.

Montana will always be number 1 in my book. He just had a grace or coolness under fire that no one has matched since. maybe Eli or Flacco but still not quite.

Brady has done some great things, no doubt, he's definitely the greatest system QB i've ever seen. Tell him what the defense is doing, take a couple psi's off and nigga can get dangerous. Will be real interesting if he ever leaves Belichick's safety net, especially now that they drafted Garafalo.

[spurraider21]

shit I've never even called Peyton the GOAT. probably regular season GOAT though. definitely one of the best and one of my favorites for changing how QBs direct the offense instead of acting like robots out there.

Marino is the best pure passer I've seen and he'd rocco siffredi the league with the modern rules.

Montana will always be number 1 in my book. He just had a grace or coolness under fire that no one has matched since. maybe Eli or Flacco but still not quite.

Brady has done some great things, no doubt, he's definitely the greatest system QB i've ever seen. Tell him what the defense is doing, take a couple psi's off and nigga can get dangerous. Will be real interesting if he ever leaves Belichick's safety net, especially now that they drafted Garafalo.
:lol fight the good fight, brother

[Avante]

This is how it is.

1.Joe Montana
2.Tom Brady
3.Peyton Manning
4.Aaron Rodgers
5.Dan Marino
6.John Elway
7.Brett Favre
8.Drew Brees
9.Warren Moon
10.John Unitas
11.Big Ben
12.Steve Young
13.Troy Aikman
14.Fran Tarkenton
15.Jim Kelly
16.Dan Fouts
17.Sonny Jurgenson
18.Y.A,Tittle
19.Bart Starr
20.Roger Staubach

Otto Graham belongs in the top 10 but the game ws just too different back then.

[Thebesteva]

Honestly, Im not a Patriots hater, wish the cheating thing didnt exist with them because they are so damn great that shit is just retarded. I am not sure if Brady is the GOAT but man is he close to it.

[Infinite_limit]

This is how it is.

1.Joe Montana
2.Tom Brady
3.Peyton Manning
4.Aaron Rodgers
5.Dan Marino
6.John Elway
7.Brett Favre
8.Drew Brees
9.Warren Moon
10.John Unitas
11.Big Ben
12.Steve Young
13.Troy Aikman
14.Fran Tarkenton
15.Jim Kelly
16.Dan Fouts
17.Sonny Jurgenson
18.Y.A,Tittle
19.Bart Starr
20.Roger Staubach

Otto Graham belongs in the top 10 but the game ws just too different back then.
- Brady, Manning & Rodgers all in the Top 4 is too much
- Brees is not Top 10
- You have 5 guys from the 2000's in your Top 8
- Unitas @ 10 is way too low
- Big Ben in the Top 20 is a maybe
- Staubach ahead of Aikman

[AlexJones]

This is how it is.

1.Joe Montana
2.Tom Brady
3.Peyton Manning
4.Aaron Rodgers
5.Dan Marino
6.John Elway
7.Brett Favre
8.Drew Brees
9.Warren Moon
10.John Unitas
11.Big Ben
12.Steve Young
13.Troy Aikman
14.Fran Tarkenton
15.Jim Kelly
16.Dan Fouts
17.Sonny Jurgenson
18.Y.A,Tittle
19.Bart Starr
20.Roger Staubach

Otto Graham belongs in the top 10 but the game ws just too different back then.

Solid list

[Avante]

- Brady, Manning & Rodgers all in the Top 4 is too much
- Brees is not Top 10
- You have 5 guys from the 2000's in your Top 8
- Unitas @ 10 is way too low
- Big Ben in the Top 20 is a maybe
- Staubach ahead of Aikman

And how many of those did you see play? Well I saw them all many times.

[spurraider21]

- Brady, Manning & Rodgers all in the Top 4 is too much
- Brees is not Top 10
- You have 5 guys from the 2000's in your Top 8
- Unitas @ 10 is way too low
- Big Ben in the Top 20 is a maybe
- Staubach ahead of Aikman
this is the golden age of quarterbacking though. the rule changes are obviously a huge part of it, but the game has also evolved with time regardless of the rules.

[LkrFan]

Montana >>>>>>>>>>>> Brady. That was already set in stone in 2007.

They're tied in rangs - like Kobe and Jim. You are basically admitting that Kobe >>>>> Duncan:

1) Kobe has the better h2h playoff record (when both played)
2) Kobe 3peated vs. Duncan never even repeated
3) Kobe then repeated without a HOF player by his side (vs no repeats from Duncan)

Kobe's 5 is more impressive than Duncan's 5.

:downspin:

[Avante]

A QB who was the best ever at his school and pro team.

Joe Montana...Notre Dame/Niners
Tom Brady....Michigan/Pats
Peyton Manning...Tennesse/Colts
Aaron Rodgers...Cal/Packers
Drew Brees....Purdue/Saints
Dan Fouts...Oregon/Chargers
John Elway...Stanford/Broncos
Eli Manning....Ole Miss/Giants
Cam Newton....Auburn/Panthers
Big Ben..Miami of Ohio/Steelers
Joe Flacco..Delaware.Ravens
Warren Moon...Washington/Oilers
Otto Graham...NW/Browns
Sonny Jurgenson..Duke/Redskins
Fran Tarkenton...Georgia/Vikings
Russell Wilson....Wisconsin/Seahawks

[scanry]

They're tied in rangs - like Kobe and Jim. You are basically admitting that Kobe >>>>> Duncan:

1) Kobe has the better h2h playoff record (when both played)
2) Kobe 3peated vs. Duncan never even repeated
3) Kobe then repeated without a HOF player by his side (vs no repeats from Duncan)

Kobe's 5 is more impressive than Duncan's 5.

:downspin:

Why bring a beta into all of this Puto? Shaq & Duncan, now those two are alphas.

[AlexJones]

"Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

1 February 2015

Tom Brady

[lefty]

"Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

1 February 2015

Tom Brady

[lefty]

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[Pelicans78]

A QB who was the best ever at his school and pro team.

Joe Montana...Notre Dame/Niners
Tom Brady....Michigan/Pats
Peyton Manning...Tennesse/Colts
Aaron Rodgers...Cal/Packers
Drew Brees....Purdue/Saints
Dan Fouts...Oregon/Chargers
John Elway...Stanford/Broncos
Eli Manning....Ole Miss/Giants
Cam Newton....Auburn/Panthers
Big Ben..Miami of Ohio/Steelers
Joe Flacco..Delaware.Ravens
Warren Moon...Washington/Oilers
Otto Graham...NW/Browns
Sonny Jurgenson..Duke/Redskins
Fran Tarkenton...Georgia/Vikings
Russell Wilson....Wisconsin/Seahawks

I don't think Brady is the best QB in Michigan history. His career there was pretty unremarkable.

[Killakobe81]

Look I respect Joe Cool but I think now with the 4 plus the other two SB appearances, I am giving the edge to Brady. I dont get how 4-0 > 4-2. Brady has his team in contention every year even AFTER losing HOF mates such as McGinest and BRushi. He never has had a Jerry Rice just a couple brilliant Moss and Gronk seasons. We may hate Brady's pretty boy swag but he is the GOAT QB ...

[Phillip]

Montana - 11 TD passes 0 interceptions in 4 superbowls. It took Brady 6 superbowls to break his TD passing record.

That doesn't prove that Montana is indisputably a superior football player to Tom Brady.


you want him to prove that he disagrees?

No, I want him to prove his blanket statement that Montana is superior to Brady.

[Killakobe81]

That doesn't prove that Montana is indisputably a superior football player to Tom Brady.



No, I want him to prove his blanket statement that Montana is superior to Brady.

So in the NBA we have cats arguing that due to more complex defense, better athletes modern science and anlytics that today's players are superior to the 80's legends ... but in the NFL, Montana's 4 is better than Brady's 4-2? I get it's a team sport but the hypocrisy of this site and the inconsistency of arguments is befuddling. Basically the group think praises or shits on certain players and not even rings seems to shift the dynamic. Makes little sense to me but I am old school. Winning titles is the ultimate measuring stick regardless of the sport.

[Phillip]

No, they won back to back in 1988 and 1989 after losing to the Giants in 86 and 87 and reached the NFC Title game in 1990 and lost on a last second FG after Montana was knocked out of the game and basically missed the following season and benched in 1992. However, he gets traded to the Chiefs and carries them to the AFC Title game in his first year at the age of 38 :lol

After their first couple, they flamed out early for 3 straight years, but had some young talent developing, so that by time they went back to back, they were pretty loaded and could simply out-talent other teams. Those first two SBs were clearly a result of a system teams were not well equipped to defend against. The second two were simply stacked squads, with a bunch of really good to great players in Rice, Taylor, Craig, Rathman, Romanowski, Haley, Lott, etc... that team was simply loaded. No different than Brady's early squads who were loaded with defensive talent, and of course he won 3 in 4 years.

And let's not act like the KC team was awful or something. They had like 4-5 pro bowlers that year, and quite a few other solid players, including former or soon-to-be pro bowlers. Him and Brady have pretty much had comparable stretches of teams over their careers.

From the statistical aspect, Brady has noticeably superior stats (some of which are due to adjustments in the game, but they are still NOTABLY better), along with a better winning % in both the regular season and the playoffs.
From a physical ability aspect, Brady had more longevity, is physically bigger and stronger, with a stronger throwing arm and arguably has the best pocket presence/patience of any QB ever, while Joe would run a bit more.
From an accomplishments aspect, Brady has 2 more Pro Bowl seasons, while Joe had 1 more All-Pro season (Brady played in an era with WAY MORE elite QBs though, in particular Peyton), both have 2 MVPs, 4 SB wins, and 3 SB MVPs, but Brady led his team to 2 more SB appearances.
From an intangible aspect, both are fantastic winners, and highly clutch, but Brady actually has more 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives in both regular season and post season. And then theres the AV rating (which is a rating system that shows the approximate value of a player to their teams success) which Brady also bests Montana at.

So what I want proven to me is... what makes Joe UNQUESTIONABLY better than Brady, as so many people want to claim?

[Phillip]

So in the NBA we have cats arguing that due to more complex defense, better athletes modern science and anlytics that today's players are superior to the 80's legends ... but in the NFL, Montana's 4 is better than Brady's 4-2? I get it's a team sport but the hypocrisy of this site and the inconsistency of arguments is befuddling. Basically the group think praises or shits on certain players and not even rings seems to shift the dynamic. Makes little sense to me but I am old school. Winning titles is the ultimate measuring stick regardless of the sport.

Some people just seem to struggle to accept change. Fact is, there will constantly be bigger and better players coming out as time progresses. In about 15-20 years, there will probably be some QBs that will then be having arguments as being superior to Brady, while Montana will have been generally forgotten about by then, and the chain will keep going on and on. I just refuse to defend a player simply because of some pointless emotional attachment to an era of players. If a player is superior, then they are simply superior, no arguments needed.

Personally, I think Brady > Montana by a bit, but I can see both sides. I just can't see how people can make a blanket statement that Montana is superior with no questions asked. That is an incredibly narrow-minded point of view.

[Clipper Nation]

They're tied in rangs - like Kobe and Jim. You are basically admitting that Kobe >>>>> Duncan:

1) Kobe has the better h2h playoff record (when both played)
2) Kobe 3peated vs. Duncan never even repeated
3) Kobe then repeated without a HOF player by his side (vs no repeats from Duncan)

Kobe's 5 is more impressive than Duncan's 5.

:downspin:
:lol Reaching. We're comparing first options here, Hernando, not role players.

[Blake]

I haven't read through anything here.

1. Brady
2. Elway
3. Montana

Normally I'd say it's the QB that makes the receiver, but Jerry Rice was a sick freak of nature that he's the exception to the rule, imo. I have yet to see anyone better at taking a five yard pass and turn it into an 80 yard TD.

I read a stupid article once that if you were to split Jerry's career into two by going odd and even years, that it would be enough top make two Hall of Fame caliber careers.

Meanwhile Brady has Edelman.

[Clipper Nation]

Normally I'd say it's the QB that makes the receiver, but Jerry Rice was a sick freak of nature that he's the exception to the rule, imo. I have yet to see anyone better at taking a five yard pass and turn it into an 80 yard TD.

I read a stupid article once that if you were to split Jerry's career into two by going odd and even years, that it would be enough top make two Hall of Fame caliber careers.

Meanwhile Brady has Edelman.

Brady choked away an undefeated season and Super Bowl with Moss, one of the greatest wide receivers ever. He also had a stacked defense for his first three rings and played the Struggle Wilson role. Let's not act like he hasn't had any help.

Also, Elway over Montana is an even shittier take. He was a career choker (like Fivehead) until Denver cheated their asses off in a desperate attempt to get him some rings as a TOSB. Losing Super Bowls by 19, 32 and 45 points (the last ass-whooping coming against Montana's team) eliminates him from the GOAT discussion.

[spurraider21]

Brady choked away an undefeated season and Super Bowl with Moss, one of the greatest wide receivers ever. He also had a stacked defense for his first three rings and played the Struggle Wilson role. Let's not act like he hasn't had any help.

Also, Elway over Montana is an even shittier take. He was a career choker (like Fivehead) until Denver cheated their asses off in a desperate attempt to get him some rings as a TOSB. Losing Super Bowls by 19, 32 and 45 points (the last ass-whooping coming against Montana's team) eliminates him from the GOAT discussion.
i dont even know who you like tbh... you just hate on everybody :lol

you hate brady (enough to say Manning >>>>>> Brady), you hate manning, elway. you even bag on your boy rivers... who are your top 5-10 qb's all time?

[Blake]

Also, Elway over Montana is an even shittier take. He was a career choker (like Fivehead) until Denver cheated their asses off in a desperate attempt to get him some rings as a TOSB. Losing Super Bowls by 19, 32 and 45 points (the last ass-whooping coming against Montana's team) eliminates him from the GOAT discussion.

calling Elway a career choker is a diarrhea take. Just an ignorantly horrible take not worth responding too.

Lol "the Drive" has it's own Wikipedia entry. That's how horribly brown pants your take on Elway being a choker is

[Clipper Nation]

calling Elway a career choker is a diarrhea take. Just an ignorantly horrible take not worth responding too.

Lol "the Drive" has it's own Wikipedia entry. That's how horribly brown pants your take on Elway being a choker is
He followed "The Drive" up by blowing a double-digit lead and getting absolutely outplayed by Doug Williams :lmao

Fact is, Elway was known as a choker until Shanarat's cheating paid off in '97 and '98. It is what it is. Similarly, Fivehead has a ring and everyone still knows he's a choker.

[Infinite_limit]

I haven't read through anything here.

1. Brady
2. Elway
3. Montana

Normally I'd say it's the QB that makes the receiver, but Jerry Rice was a sick freak of nature that he's the exception to the rule, imo. I have yet to see anyone better at taking a five yard pass and turn it into an 80 yard TD.

I read a stupid article once that if you were to split Jerry's career into two by going odd and even years, that it would be enough top make two Hall of Fame caliber careers.

Meanwhile Brady has Edelman.
Montana = 2 Super Bowls without Rice

[Infinite_limit]

Look I respect Joe Cool but I think now with the 4 plus the other two SB appearances, I am giving the edge to Brady. I dont get how 4-0 > 4-2. Brady has his team in contention every year even AFTER losing HOF mates such as McGinest and BRushi. He never has had a Jerry Rice just a couple brilliant Moss and Gronk seasons. We may hate Brady's pretty boy swag but he is the GOAT QB ...
Greatest ever Quarterback losing to Eli Manning twice?

Both times as Vegas favorite? Once a 12 point favorite

Sorry, can't do it

[lefty]

So what if he lost to Eli twice?


Brady is still the GOAT

The haters are just maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad :lol

[spurraider21]

Greatest ever Quarterback losing to Eli Manning twice?

Both times as Vegas favorite? Once a 12 point favorite

Sorry, can't do it
how many playoff games did montana lose as a favorite? he shouldn't get bonus points just because he lost in an earlier round as opposed to the superbowl

[Phillip]

Greatest ever Quarterback losing to Eli Manning twice?

Both times as Vegas favorite? Once a 12 point favorite

Sorry, can't do it

You're stupid.

Sorry.


how many playoff games did montana lose as a favorite? he shouldn't get bonus points just because he lost in an earlier round as opposed to the superbowl

:tu

[Clipper Nation]

As clutch as Elite Manning is, Montana would not have lost to him with a perfect season on the line. Wouldn't have lost to him in 2011 either.

[Infinite_limit]

So what if he lost to Eli twice?


Brady is still the GOAT

The haters are just maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad :lol
I rooted for Patriots in 2001 & last night

When we are discussing all time greats, being upset by Eli twice is a glaring embarrassment. Alex Smith would have defeated Eli in 2011 if not for Kyle Williams

[Infinite_limit]

how many playoff games did montana lose as a favorite? he shouldn't get bonus points just because he lost in an earlier round as opposed to the superbowl
Why not take this logic a step further and consider missing the Playoffs "losing 2 Rounds earlier"

[Phillip]

As clutch as Elite Manning is, Montana would not have lost to him with a perfect season on the line. Wouldn't have lost to him in 2011 either.

Prove it.

[Phillip]

I rooted for Patriots in 2001 & last night

When we are discussing all time greats, being upset by Eli twice is a glaring embarrassment. Alex Smith would have defeated Eli in 2011 if not for Kyle Williams

I didn't know Brady defends Eli, or that Eli defends Brady. Last I checked, they are never on the field at the same time. Great reasoning bro :tu

[Infinite_limit]

As clutch as Elite Manning is, Montana would not have lost to him with a perfect season on the line. Wouldn't have lost to him in 2011 either.
Has Eli even made the Postseason since 2011?

[Infinite_limit]

I didn't know Brady defends Eli, or that Eli defends Brady. Last I checked, they are never on the field at the same time. Great reasoning bro :tu
Then why bother crediting Brady with reaching the Super Bowl, since he didn't defend Luck

Sidenote Montana also led your sorry Franchise to an AFC Title Game

[Clipper Nation]

Prove it.

Montana never put up less than 20 points in his Super Bowls, and that was in an era where defense was a lot less restricted. Despite having stacked teams and a rulebook that overwhelmingly favored him, Brady only managed 14 and 17 respectively against Giants teams that were nothing special in the regular season.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Montana never put up less than 20 points in his Super Bowls, and that was in an era where defense was a lot less restricted. Despite having stacked teams and a rulebook that overwhelmingly favored him, Brady only managed 14 and 17 respectively against Giants teams that were nothing special in the regular season.

Can you name the top receivers that Brady had during his run? Can you name Montana's?

[Infinite_limit]

Can you name the top receivers that Brady had during his run? Can you name Montana's?
Rice = Moss
Clark = Gronkowski
Taylor = Troy Brown
Solomon = Branch

Looks even to me

[lefty]

how many playoff games did montana lose as a favorite? he shouldn't get bonus points just because he lost in an earlier round as opposed to the superbowl
Excellent observation

[Clipper Nation]

Can you name the top receivers that Brady had during his run? Can you name Montana's?

Montana won half his Super Bowls without Rice. Hell, he went to the AFC title game as a TOSB with Willie Davis and J.J. Birden as his WR's. Meanwhile, Brady choked twice with Moss, Welker, and Roidkowski. The receiver argument doesn't really hold water.

[Blake]

He followed "The Drive" up by blowing a double-digit lead and getting absolutely outplayed by Doug Williams :lmao

Redskins rolled up 600 yards of offense including 200 rushing from Timmy Smith.

:cry but Elway choked :cry



Fact is, Elway was known as a choker until Shanarat's cheating paid off in '97 and '98. It is what it is.

That's the biggest ass talking line I've seen in a while. Worse than Avante's shit takes, tbh.

You're better than that.

[Infinite_limit]

Belichick over Walsh
Montana over Brady

[Clipper Nation]

Redskins rolled up 600 yards of offense including 200 rushing from Timmy Smith.

:cry but Elway choked :cry
Double-digit lead against a journeyman quarterback who was out of the league within three years, and he couldn't get it done. Oh, and he threw three picks to only one touchdown. Additionally, nobody had ever come back from a 10-point deficit to win a Super Bowl until Elway gagged it away that year. It was a choke, plain and simple.


That's the biggest ass talking line I've seen in a while. Worse than Avante's shit takes, tbh.

"Elway won't let rap as Super Bowl choker bother him"
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1368&dat=19900124&id=FKxRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=shIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2864,5306365

"John Elway choked plenty before clutching."
http://espn.go.com/magazine/vol4no11elfoldo.html

"Still by this point, many doubted that he would ever win a Super Bowl in his career."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Elway

[Pelicans78]

People forget how good Montana was good in KC. His performance at Houston in the playoffs was one of the gutsiest performances ever. He took a beating that game and was still throwing on the money.

[lefty]

:lol Det Brady pic

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B82FsSUCAAAm-tI.jpg

[Pelicans78]

To be fair to Elway, those Broncos weren't as good as the NFC powerhouses they lost to. But he was awful in those games. Ranking him over Montana however is silly.

[Phillip]

Then why bother crediting Brady with reaching the Super Bowl, since he didn't defend Luck

Sidenote Montana also led your sorry Franchise to an AFC Title Game

No one was comparing Brady to Luck, Wilson, or any of the QBs he faced to get to his Super Bowl victories, the way you did with him and Eli. The opposing QB that he faces has nothing to do with what he does. His job is to score as many points as possible against the opposing defense. Are you seriously this retarded?

[BatManu20]

:lol Det Brady pic

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B82FsSUCAAAm-tI.jpg


:lol

[Phillip]

Montana never put up less than 20 points in his Super Bowls, and that was in an era where defense was a lot less restricted. Despite having stacked teams and a rulebook that overwhelmingly favored him, Brady only managed 14 and 17 respectively against Giants teams that were nothing special in the regular season.

That does not prove that Montana would have 100% not lost to Eli ever, especially considering he lost to some mediocre QBs (all of whom are arguably worse than Eli) in the playoffs such as Wade Wilson, Phil Simms, and Jeff Hostetler.

[Phillip]

Montana over Brady

Still haven't really given any good, indisputable proof that Montana is flat out better than Brady. Do you have any? Other than personal feelings that are quite obviously involved?

[Infinite_limit]

No one was comparing Brady to Luck, Wilson, or any of the QBs he faced to get to his Super Bowl victories, the way you did with him and Eli. The opposing QB that he faces has nothing to do with what he does. His job is to score as many points as possible against the opposing defense. Are you seriously this retarded?

Moving goal posts now I see. Avante school of debating

[Infinite_limit]

Still haven't really given any good, indisputable proof that Montana is flat out better than Brady. Do you have any? Other than personal feelings that are quite obviously involved?

- Superior numbers
- Superior record
- Superior opponents (Anderson, Marino, Elway & Boomer)

What's left?


Sidenote: my favorite QB is Steve Young

[Blake]

Montana = 2 Super Bowls without Rice

That first Super Bowl, the 49ers had a 20-0 halftime lead and had to hold on for a 26-21 win. Montana had 150+ yards passing.
The Bungles had four turnovers and still almost pulled it out.

The second Super Bowl, Montana was outstanding, getting the ball to the running backs, controlling the clock, keeping the dolphin D on the field.

The third, Rice went nuts.

The fourth, Montana cemented his GOAT status.


But people act like Montana was destroying people left and right in all four Super Bowls and in every playoff run, when it was really two arguably 3 that he was phenomenal.

[Blake]

- Superior numbers
- Superior record
- Superior opponents (Anderson, Marino, Elway & Boomer)

What's left?


Sidenote: my favorite QB is Steve Young

Brady's superior opponent was the Seattle D......not Russ.

[spurraider21]

Montana had a hall of fame receiver in all his Superbowl wins

[Blake]

To be fair to Elway, those Broncos weren't as good as the NFC powerhouses they lost to. But he was awful in those games. Ranking him over Montana however is silly.

Actually he was stellar in one of them, bad in two.

But shit, those three teams probably had no business being there to begin with. He dragged them there on his shoulders.

[Pelicans78]

Actually he was stellar in one of them, bad in two.

But shit, those three teams probably had no business being there to begin with. He dragged them there on his shoulders.

Its true. Those Browns teams he beat were much better overall and they would have provided more competition for the NFC powerhouses.

[Clipper Nation]

Its true. Those Browns teams he beat were much better overall and they would have provided more competition for the NFC powerhouses.

They were coached by Marty Chokenheimer. Even if they hadn't gagged to Denver, they'd have just choked in the Super Bowl anyway.

[Pelicans78]

They were coached by Marty Chokenheimer. Even if they hadn't gagged to Denver, they'd have just choked in the Super Bowl anyway.

Geez forgot about that. This guy was a choker everywhere he went. Those Browns teams were really good with really good defenses and they always gagged against Elway.

[Blake]

Double-digit lead against a journeyman quarterback who was out of the league within three years, and he couldn't get it done. Oh, and he threw three picks to only one touchdown. Additionally, nobody had ever come back from a 10-point deficit to win a Super Bowl until Elway gagged it away that year. It was a choke, plain and simple.



"Elway won't let rap as Super Bowl choker bother him"
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1368&dat=19900124&id=FKxRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=shIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2864,5306365

"John Elway choked plenty before clutching."
http://espn.go.com/magazine/vol4no11elfoldo.html

"Still by this point, many doubted that he would ever win a Super Bowl in his career."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Elway

Lol the term "choke" has changed a lot.

people in this century that look back realize just how clutch Elway really was in playoff games. Not just "the Drive" but I still remember the way he put a knife straight through Warren Moon's heart with an incredible 4th quarter comeback drive ftw.

[Pelicans78]

Lol the term "choke" has changed a lot.

people in this century that look back realize just how clutch Elway really was in playoff games. Not just "the Drive" but I still remember the way he put a knife straight through Warren Moon's heart with an incredible 4th quarter comeback drive ftw.

I remember the game against the Oilers. Elway kept converting on 3rd and 4th downs on the last drive. Really cemented his reputation as a 4th quarter QB.

I remember the Monday Night Game against the Chiefs when he and Montana exchanged last minute drives. One of the best regular season games to remember.

[JoeTait75]

Its true. Those Browns teams he beat were much better overall and they would have provided more competition for the NFC powerhouses.

I wouldn't say they were much better than Denver, but I do think they matched up a little bit better with the NFC teams than the Broncos did.

[Pelicans78]

I wouldn't say they were much better than Denver, but I do think they matched up a little bit better with the NFC teams than the Broncos did.

You're right. The 86 and 89 Broncos were better according to Pro Football Reference, but the 87 Browns were clearly the best in the AFC that season. The only reason they didn't have homefield is the Broncos finished half a game better due to a tie.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1987/

[Phillip]

Moving goal posts now I see. Avante school of debating

How?


- Superior numbers

Incorrect. Brady > Montana in yards, TD, completion %, QB rating, TD%, INT%, Sack%, AV rating, and more.


- Superior record

Incorrect.

Regular Season
Brady - 160-47
Montana - 117-47

Post season
Brady - 21-8
Montana - 16-7


- Superior opponents (Anderson, Marino, Elway & Boomer)

Inconclusive and perhaps even blatantly incorrect. (Roethlisberger, Manning, Rivers, Rodgers, Romo, McNabb, Warner)


What's left?

Some evidence that Montana is clearly superior to Brady would be nice.


Sidenote: my favorite QB is Steve Young

Neat.

[Infinite_limit]

How?



Incorrect. Brady > Montana in yards, TD, completion %, QB rating, TD%, INT%, Sack%, AV rating, and more.



Incorrect.

Regular Season
Brady - 160-47
Montana - 117-47

Post season
Brady - 21-8
Montana - 16-7



Inconclusive and perhaps even blatantly incorrect. (Roethlisberger, Manning, Rivers, Rodgers, Romo, McNabb, Warner)



Some evidence that Montana is clearly superior to Brady would be nice.



Neat.
You're moving goal posts again.

How does regular season statistics and WL records matter in this debate

Brady is rightfully viewed as one of the greatest (I had him Top 3 before) but unless he wins a 5th, losing twice to Eli is his undoing

Give me Montana, Marino, Elway, Kelly, Fouts, Theisman, Anderson, Boomer, Cunningham and Moon over those you listed

[Ice009]

That doesn't prove that Montana is indisputably a superior football player to Tom Brady.



No, I want him to prove his blanket statement that Montana is superior to Brady.

I disagree. I don't have to prove what my opinion is. I don't give a shit what anyone else thinks about my opinion. I say Montana is better. That's that.

[unleashbaynes]

You're moving goal posts again.

How does regular season statistics and WL records matter in this debate

Brady is rightfully viewed as one of the greatest (I had him Top 3 before) but unless he wins a 5th, losing twice to Eli is his undoing

Give me Montana, Marino, Elway, Kelly, Fouts, Theisman, Anderson, Boomer, Cunningham and Moon over those you listed

congrats, you're a homer idiot :tu

[unleashbaynes]

I disagree. I don't have to prove what my opinion is. I don't give a shit what anyone else thinks about my opinion. I say Montana is better. That's that.

Definitely not bitter at all.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The argument is really close either way, but using Brady losing two superbowls as an argument against him is fucking retarded. Making the superbowl and losing is still better than not making it at all.

[JoeTait75]

As great a QB as Montana was he shit the bed in the playoffs as well. From 1985 through '87 he failed to generate a TD in ten consecutive quarters of playoff football and was benched for Steve Young at halftime of the '87 divisional game against Minnesota, a game the 49ers lost at home to a double-digit underdog.

[Avante]

Grew up watching...(***Hall of Fame)

Niners...John Brodie
Rams...Roman Gabriel
Bears...Bill Wade
Vikings...Fran Tarkenton***
Lions...Milt Plum
Colts...Johnny Unitas***
Packers...Bart Starr***
Redskins...Sonny Jurgenson***
Steelers...Bill Nelson
Cowboys...Don Meredith
Eagles...Norm Snead
Browns...Frank Ryan
Cards...Charley Johnson
Giants...Y.A.Tittle***
Chargers...Tobin Rote/John Hadl
Raiders..Tom Flores/Daryl Lamonica
Chiefs...Len Dawson
Broncos...Frank Tripucka
Bills...Jack Kemp
Jets..Al Dorow/Joe Namath
Oilers...George Blanda
Patriots...Babe Parilli

Then here came Dan Fouts,Terry Bradshaw, Kenny Stabler, Roger Stabach.

It doesn't matter who we talk about, those listed above or the ones who came later. The best QB to ever play the position in my opinion........Joe Montana. An opinion based on watching all of them play many times. The only one I didn't see play...Otto Graham. But....the caliber of defenders back then, well.

Montana just knew how to run an offense, he was like a master dart thrower, key word...precision. While not an actual runner he was mobile. He had it all, the total package. Watching him play was like watching a concert pianist, he had you mesmerized.

Tom Brady the closest thing to Montana I've seen.


Here's where stats just don't work. Not unlike a boxer with a 20-8 record, not knowing he won his first 20 but has lost his last 8. Montana knew receivers and defenses unlike anyone else. He had....finese.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

As great a QB as Montana was he shit the bed in the playoffs as well. From 1985 through '87 he failed to generate a TD in ten consecutive quarters of playoff football and was benched for Steve Young at halftime of the '87 divisional game against Minnesota, a game the 49ers lost at home to a double-digit underdog.

smart move on his part to lose before the superbowl. According to a certain 49ers fan who enjoys pictures of black dicks, losing before the superbowl is better than losing in the superbowl :lmao

[LkrFan]

:lol Reaching. We're comparing first options here, Hernando, not role players.
:lol

[spurraider21]

smart move on his part to lose before the superbowl. According to a certain 49ers fan who enjoys pictures of black dicks, losing before the superbowl is better than losing in the superbowl :lmao
:lol

[Pelicans78]

Brady's the best I've seen since Montana. Not blessed with great physical tools, but poise, mental toughness, and work ethic is the reason why he's the best of his generation and arguably the best ever. As a Saints fan it leaves me bitter than Brees and Payton haven't had the same amount of success.

[Phillip]

You're moving goal posts again.

You still never answered how. I think you just have no idea what the hell you are talking about.


How does regular season statistics and WL records matter in this debate

WTF??? YOU were the one that said Montana had a better record, and I showed that is clearly NOT the case, both in the regular season and the playoffs. Brady had both more total wins, as well as better win percentages. They both have 4 championships as well. So how on earth does Montana have a superior record to Brady in any way, shape, or form???


Brady is rightfully viewed as one of the greatest (I had him Top 3 before) but unless he wins a 5th, losing twice to Eli is his undoing

How is losing to Eli his undoing? In what way does that count as a knock against him, when he and Eli have absolutely nothing to do with each other's performance? I could understand knocking Brady if he struggled to score against some crappy defensive team, but those Giants teams had some solid defenses. But knocking him for losing to a QB? Please explain how that is Brady's fault, when in BOTH games he led his team to a late drive and score to take a lead, and the Patriots defense was the unit that allowed Eli to accomplish the final drives with virtually no time left for Brady to accomplish anything? And this doesn't even include the wide open, dropped pass by Welker that almost certainly would have sealed the victory in the second game.


Give me Montana, Marino, Elway, Kelly, Fouts, Theisman, Anderson, Boomer, Cunningham and Moon over those you listed

Cool. I'm happy you prefer them. It still does not prove in any way how Montana is clearly > Brady as you claim. Still awaiting explanation.

[Phillip]

As great a QB as Montana was he shit the bed in the playoffs as well. From 1985 through '87 he failed to generate a TD in ten consecutive quarters of playoff football and was benched for Steve Young at halftime of the '87 divisional game against Minnesota, a game the 49ers lost at home to a double-digit underdog.

Bingo. Everyone has faults, everyone falls short, everyone had bad games in the playoffs. Hate it when people act like Montana and Jordan were these flawless, unstoppable forces that no one could ever beat and was better at every phase of the game than any player who has ever played X100000.

[Phillip]

smart move on his part to lose before the superbowl. According to a certain 49ers fan who enjoys pictures of black dicks, losing before the superbowl is better than losing in the superbowl :lmao

:lol

[Infinite_limit]

smart move on his part to lose before the superbowl. According to a certain 49ers fan who enjoys pictures of black dicks, losing before the superbowl is better than losing in the superbowl :lmao
"Jim Kelly > Marino"

Said no one ever

[Avante]

Actually, this QB thing needs to be done by decade.

[Infinite_limit]

The reason you can't reward 'just getting to the SB' because the Conferences are divided. Who is to say the 2011 Patriots were better than 2011 49ers?

Then who is to say the 15-1 Packers that lost Divisional Round to eventual Champion Giants wasn't the 2nd finest team in 2011?

Slippery slope once you start rewarding the first loser. Harbaugh should have pleaded to the FO bout his record setting NFC Title

Kaepernick > Luck?

[Phillip]

The reason you can't reward 'just getting to the SB' because the Conferences are divided. Who is to say the 2011 Patriots were better than 2011 49ers?

Then who is to say the 15-1 Packers that lost Divisional Round to eventual Champion Giants wasn't the 2nd finest team in 2011?

Slippery slope once you start rewarding the first loser. Harbaugh should have pleaded to the FO bout his record setting NFC Title

Kaepernick > Luck?

No one asked for a reward for getting to the super bowl. Just that to knock Brady for getting to 2 more SBs than Montana did is incredibly stupid. What's the difference between losing there, and losing in a divisional round game? A loss is a loss.

If anything, there is a better argument that those 2 additional appearances is better than not having them at all, since he won 4 already. Fact is, if you got there, that means you generally beat 2, if not 3 really good football teams to get there. Any playoff win you get in football is quite an accomplishment, considering how difficult it is to win in the playoffs.

So to sum it up, 4-2 =/> 4-0

[Infinite_limit]

No one asked for a reward for getting to the super bowl. Just that to knock Brady for getting to 2 more SBs than Montana did is incredibly stupid. What's the difference between losing there, and losing in a divisional round game? A loss is a loss.

If anything, there is a better argument that those 2 additional appearances is better than not having them at all, since he won 4 already. Fact is, if you got there, that means you generally beat 2, if not 3 really good football teams to get there. Any playoff win you get in football is quite an accomplishment, considering how difficult it is to win in the playoffs.

So to sum it up, 4-2 =/> 4-0
would you rather have sex with a 10/10 hbb once or get blue balls from 4 different 10/10hbbs

[Phillip]

would you rather have sex with a 10/10 hbb once or get blue balls from 4 different 10/10hbbs

Would you rather answer my questions to you, or just beat around the bush and make it evident that you are a faggot that has no idea what he is talking about?

[Blake]

I'm old and fat

Tldr don't care

[JoeTait75]

The reason you can't reward 'just getting to the SB' because the Conferences are divided.

But that's the same reason you can't knock a QB for losing a Super Bowl. Can you really knock John Elway for losing three Super Bowls to teams that were all vastly superior to his teams, for example?

[Phillip]

I disagree. I don't have to prove what my opinion is. I don't give a shit what anyone else thinks about my opinion. I say Montana is better. That's that.

I understand that is your opinion. You are entitled to that. But you didn't just state it as "In my opinion, Montana is better than Brady." No, you made a blanket statement, that "Montana is better than Brady". By making such a blanket statement, you are saying anyone who believe "Brady is better than Montana" is dead wrong. So I would love to see the evidence you have, to clearly prove that Montana is better than Brady.

If you don't have evidence, and this is simply a personal preference, then just say so. No problem if that is the case.

[Agloco]

It's undeniable now imo. He's the GOAT.


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What about Joe Cool?

[Infinite_limit]

What about Joe Cool?
No particular order (Except #1)


TOP 3
1.Montana
- Unitas
- Brady


Top 6
- Peyton
- Marino
- Elway


Top 10
- Favre
- Young
- Staubach
- Rodgers



Top 16
- Graham
- Brees
- Starr
- Bradshaw
- Tarkenton
- Aikman

[Blake]

Kelly> Aikman

[monosylab1k]

Making 4 straight SB's really is a tougher accomplishment than winning one, or even two. The Bills were pretty clearly the second best franchise of the 90's and Jim Kelly deserves alot more respect than he gets.

[spurraider21]

Favre is pretty overrated imo

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Favre is pretty overrated imo

He was still great.

[scanry]

They were coached by Marty Chokenheimer. Even if they hadn't gagged to Denver, they'd have just choked in the Super Bowl anyway.

I was in SD during the Marty Schottenheimer days. Even the fans pitied Marty for his choking.

[spurraider21]

He was still great.
of course. both statements can be true

[JoeTait75]

Kelly> Aikman

Agreed. Aikman had great physical ability and did what he had to do, but he ran Norv Turner's offense. Jim Kelly basically ran the offense in Buffalo. He had a lot more responsibility than Aikman did.

[Clipper Nation]

Favre is pretty overrated imo

:lol Another shit take from Philo. Favre is actually underrated. He was an amazing QB but all anyone ever says about him is "DURR HURR INTERCEPTIONS AND DICK PIX LOLOLOL."

[spurraider21]

:lol Another shit take from Philo. Favre is actually underrated. He was an amazing QB but all anyone ever says about him is "DURR HURR INTERCEPTIONS AND DICK PIX LOLOLOL."
:lmao

Favre had like 5-6 great seasons and a shit ton of mediocre ones. the one thing he has that i cant take away is his durability, which is a big deal

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lmao

Favre had like 5-6 great seasons and a shit ton of mediocre ones. the one thing he has that i cant take away is his durability, which is a big deal

I used to think people our age didn't appreciate Favre because we only saw him past his prime, but I also don't see what puts him even close to the same category as Montana/Marino/Elway/Brady/Manning etc. He had a long ass career but never had any record breaking seasons (in his 15 year career as a starter he had only 6 seasons with over 4000 passing yards) and it's not like he had a great saga of playoff performances.

You can also go "DURR HURR INTERCEPTIONS" all you want to try and preemptively scoff someone who brings up his interception total, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a stain on his legacy :lol

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao

Favre had like 5-6 great seasons and a shit ton of mediocre ones. the one thing he has that i cant take away is his durability, which is a big deal

:lol 40-year-old Favre >>>>>> Carr Wreck at any age.

[spurraider21]

:lol 40-year-old Favre >>>>>> Carr Wreck at any age.
ur such a terrible poster. u just play shtick after shtick instead of actually giving any takes

[Clipper Nation]

Favre could have come out of retirement for the Super Bowl this year, signed with the Seahawks, and completed that one-yard pass at the goal line to seal the ring. :lol

[unleashbaynes]

He wouldn't even be in position to complete that one yard pass because he would throw an interception early in the drive, probably a stupid one right to a defender.

[Clipper Nation]

He wouldn't even be in position to complete that one yard pass because he would throw an interception early in the drive, probably a stupid one right to a defender.
Funny, he didn't throw a pick on his two-point conversion to Chmura when he played the Patriots in the Super Bowl.

Favre :worthy:

[unleashbaynes]

That was cool. He also threw one right to Sharper with a trip to the big one on the line.

[Pelicans78]

That was cool. He also threw one right to Sharper with a trip to the big one on the line.

Porter

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So with all the QBs who CN hates, have we finally found one (Favre) that he actually likes :lol

Seems like a pretty random player for him to like given that he was never particularly clutch...

[unleashbaynes]

Porter

Always get the two confused.

[Clipper Nation]

So with all the QBs who CN hates, have we finally found one (Favre) that he actually likes :lol

Seems like a pretty random player for him to like given that he was never particularly clutch...

Elite Manning (yes, even after his draft-day tantrum) and January Joe are also among my favorite QB's, and you can't tell me they were never clutch. :toast

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Elite Manning (yes, even after his draft-day tantrum) and January Joe are also among my favorite QB's, and you can't tell me they were never clutch. :toast

So you chose your QBs based off whichever ones have had success against New England :lol

Your NFL fanhood revolves around New England :lol

[Clipper Nation]

So you chose your QBs based off whichever ones have had success against New England :lol

Your NFL fanhood revolves around New England :lol

If that were the case, I'd be a huge Fivehead and Mark Sanchez fan too since they've also beaten the Patriots in playoff games :lol

[Phillip]

No particular order (Except #1)


TOP 3
1.Montana
- Unitas
- Brady


Top 6
- Peyton
- Marino
- Elway


Top 10
- Favre
- Young
- Staubach
- Rodgers



Top 16
- Graham
- Brees
- Starr
- Bradshaw
- Tarkenton
- Aikman

Hilarious how you continue to duck the questions asked of you, because you obviously can't prove your claim.

[Avante]

Favre could have come out of retirement for the Super Bowl this year, signed with the Seahawks, and completed that one-yard pass at the goal line to seal the ring. :lol

Brett Favre started 33 games his first three seasons, RW 48, talking regular season. In his 33 starts Favre three 39 INT;s, in RW's 48 starts....26.

We can do that with all those legends/greats, none of them match what RW has done in three seasons. Eli and Flacco....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

Imagine a black QB better than Joe Montana.....hmmmm?

[Clipper Nation]

Imagine a black QB better than Joe Montana.....hmmmm?
I'm certainly not imagining Struggle Wilson, if that's what you're implying.

[Infinite_limit]

Favre is pretty overrated imo
3 MVPs is pretty damn impressive

[Infinite_limit]

Hilarious how you continue to duck the questions asked of you, because you obviously can't prove your claim.
- Same amount of Rings with less games needed
- Same amount of TDs with less attempts needed
- Less Interceptions
- Higher Passer Rating
- Higher Completion Percentage

What is there left to say?

[Phillip]

- Same amount of Rings with less games needed

Terrible argument. Counter argument - Brady was able to get his team farther in the playoffs more often than Montana.


- Same amount of TDs with less attempts needed
- Less Interceptions
- Higher Passer Rating
- Higher Completion Percentage

What is there left to say?

Where on earth are you getting your stats from? None of those are correct, except for less INTs, yet Brady has a lower INT%, which is a much better stat to go by than total INTs.

Obviously you still cannot make a legit argument. You simply don't have proof, nor do you know what you are talking about.

[Silver&Black]

- Same amount of Rings with less games needed
- Same amount of TDs with less attempts needed
- Less Interceptions
- Higher Passer Rating
- Higher Completion Percentage

What is there left to say?

So getting to the SB and losing is somehow worse than getting eliminated in the 1st Round or not even making the playoffs?

Explain that one to me.....

[Infinite_limit]

So getting to the SB and losing is somehow worse than getting eliminated in the 1st Round or not even making the playoffs?

Explain that one to me.....
Where do you draw the line? Who is to say the Colts or Ravens weren't the 2nd Best team this season, just because they met the Patriots earlier in the Playoffs.

Why should we credit Brady when we don't know if his team would have defeated the 2011 49ers (whom lost to Giants or the 15-1 Packers that lost to NYG in the Divisional Round)

[Sean Cagney]

Montana and Bradshaw also have 4 SB rings each, and they never lost a SB.

Montana had that TD record in 4 Superbowls you are correct, took Brady 6 to get that record and he lost twice. I would say Montana has the edge there obviously. Brady though overall body of work is up there, way up there. Bradshaws stats were not that great but he did win, had dominant D's and a great RB and two great WR's to boot, he had some help with that Steel Curtain behind him but he was a mad man throwing that ball down the field.

[unleashbaynes]

- Same amount of Rings with less games needed
- Same amount of TDs with less attempts needed
- Less Interceptions
- Higher Passer Rating
- Higher Completion Percentage

What is there left to say?
Montana played with 12 offensive HOFers in his runs, Brady had just 2, Your failure of a take just keeps failing more.

[spurraider21]

- Same amount of Rings with less games needed
- Same amount of TDs with less attempts needed
- Less Interceptions
- Higher Passer Rating
- Higher Completion Percentage

What is there left to say?
Why didn't Montana make more Superbowl games? Because he lost in earlier rounds. Far less impressive

[Blake]

Montana played with 12 offensive HOFers in his runs, Brady had just 2, Your failure of a take just keeps failing more.

Just curious, who are the HOFers on your lists

[Pelicans78]

Why didn't Montana make more Superbowl games? Because he lost in earlier rounds. Far less impressive

To be fair, the NFC was a far superior conference from the mid to late 80s to the first half of the 90s.

[Pelicans78]

Montana played with 12 offensive HOFers in his runs, Brady had just 2, Your failure of a take just keeps failing more.

That seems to be a bit too high. 12?

[Phillip]

Where do you draw the line? Who is to say the Colts or Ravens weren't the 2nd Best team this season, just because they met the Patriots earlier in the Playoffs.

Why should we credit Brady when we don't know if his team would have defeated the 2011 49ers (whom lost to Giants or the 15-1 Packers that lost to NYG in the Divisional Round)

You have the most ass backwards logic I have ever seen. Your ignorance and complete lack of knowledge, combined with your adamant arrogance is incomprehensible. You would be better off begging Lennox Lewis to fist you, than ever talking about football again.

[spurraider21]

To be fair, the NFC was a far superior conference from the mid to late 80s to the first half of the 90s.
I know. I just hate the "4-0 is better than 4-2" thing. It makes no sense

[Infinite_limit]

Montana played with 12 offensive HOFers in his runs, Brady had just 2, Your failure of a take just keeps failing more.
Please list these 12 offensive hall of famers genius

[Infinite_limit]

You have the most ass backwards logic I have ever seen. Your ignorance and complete lack of knowledge, combined with your adamant arrogance is incomprehensible. You would be better off begging Lennox Lewis to fist you, than ever talking about football again.
Tell me more about how losing Super Bowls is just like winning them

Kaepernick and Grossman are Elite Quarterbacks!

[Infinite_limit]

I know. I just hate the "4-0 is better than 4-2" thing. It makes no sense
If the 49ers were in the AFC, they would have played in 10 straight Super Bowls (1981-1991)

[Pelicans78]

Rice was the only offensive Hall of Famer that Montana played with.

[Infinite_limit]

Rice was the only offensive Hall of Famer that Montana played with.
Clark and maybe a couple Olineman. Ill have to double check. Even 12 total HOFs is a major stretch. 49ers don't have 12 players in HOF in Franchise History

And that noob was lobbing insults at me

[Pelicans78]

Clark and maybe a couple Olineman. Ill have to double check. Even 12 total HOFs is a major stretch. 49ers don't have 12 players in HOF in Franchise History

And that noob was lobbing insults at me

I just checked on the Niners website. Only Rice, Fred Dean, Lott, Walsh, and Young made the Hall of Fame.

[Aztecfan03]

I just checked on the Niners website. Only Rice, Fred Dean, Lott, Walsh, and Young made the Hall of Fame.

Maybe some others made it but went into the hall with other teams? Or does it not work like baseball?

[Aztecfan03]

I just checked on the Niners website. Only Rice, Fred Dean, Lott, Walsh, and Young made the Hall of Fame.

http://www.49ers.com/team/history/hall-of-famers.html

they have 14 hall of famers according to their website. most were pre-montana and only rice was on offense during his time.

[Phillip]

Tell me more about how losing Super Bowls is just like winning them

Kaepernick and Grossman are Elite Quarterbacks!

I'm curious as well. Who made that claim? I know I certainly didn't, but if someone did, they are nearly as stupid as you.

[spurraider21]

If the 49ers were in the AFC, they would have played in 10 straight Super Bowls (1981-1991)
and if my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle

[spurraider21]

Tell me more about how losing Super Bowls is just like winning them

Kaepernick and Grossman are Elite Quarterbacks!
winning a superbowl is a bigger accomplishment than making one. making a superbowl is certainly a bigger accomplishment than getting knocked out before it

[Infinite_limit]

and if my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle
Between 1981 and 1990, the only teams to make the Super Bowl from AFC and not lose to 49ers were Raiders and the embarrassed Patriots.

So yah Montana would have most likely played in 10 straight Super Bowls

[Infinite_limit]

winning a superbowl is a bigger accomplishment than making one. making a superbowl is certainly a bigger accomplishment than getting knocked out before it
Can you prove the Seahawks were better than Colts or Ravens?

[Phillip]

Can you prove the Seahawks were better than Colts or Ravens?

Can you prove Montana is better than Brady?

[Silver&Black]

Can you prove the Seahawks were better than Colts or Ravens?

Can you prove the Seahawks were not better than the Colts or Ravens?

[Brazil]

Can you prove Montana is better than Brady?

of course he can't :lol

they pretty close tbh but I'd still give the edge to Joe... at the end he played in an era much tougher for QBs, his numbers are below TB but in Joe's era, less TDs were scored, rules protected less offense tbh but I can see both side of the argument

[Phillip]

of course he can't :lol

they pretty close tbh but I'd still give the edge to Joe... at the end he played in an era much tougher for QBs, his numbers are below TB but in Joe's era, less TDs were scored, rules protected less offense tbh but I can see both side of the argument

Good logical reply tbh.

Much better than providing false stats, or getting butthurt, like the faggot known as Infinite_limit

[DAF86]

Carroll calls any play other than the one he called and this thread doesn't exist. Sorry but I can't call a guy that can't throw beyond 10 yds the best QB of all-time.

[spurraider21]

Yeah I forgot Montana was a rocket launcher playing in a vertical offense

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yeah I forgot Montana was a rocket launcher playing in a vertical offense

:lol

[Infinite_limit]

Good logical reply tbh.

Much better than providing false stats, or getting butthurt, like the faggot known as Infinite_limit
Why so butthurt over Joe Cool.

He played 30 games as a Chief leading them to their farthest Postseason finish since 1969 and retiring as atleast the Chiefs second greatest Quarterback. You should be idolizing the guy like every Chiefs fan I've ever met does.

[Infinite_limit]

Can you prove the Seahawks were not better than the Colts or Ravens?
Don't have to. All 3 were losers in my book.

[Silver&Black]

Don't have to. All 3 were losers in my book.

:lmao You asked the question dumbass....I just changed one word.

[Brazil]

Carroll calls any play other than the one he called and this thread doesn't exist. Sorry but I can't call a guy that can't throw beyond 10 yds the best QB of all-time.

:lol the fact that long throw is not the best of brady arsenal does not mean dude is not capable to punish a defense beyond 10 yds

[Clipper Nation]

Don't have to. All 3 were losers in my book.

Funny how that logic didn't apply to your Niners when you spent an entire offseason insisting that they were a better team than the Giants, even after the Giants beat your ass in the NFC title game and won the Super Bowl.

[Phillip]

Why so butthurt over Joe Cool.

He played 30 games as a Chief leading them to their farthest Postseason finish since 1969 and retiring as atleast the Chiefs second greatest Quarterback. You should be idolizing the guy like every Chiefs fan I've ever met does.

No issues with Joe whatsoever.

I simply just asked for evidence as to how you can make a "factual" statement that Montana is better than Brady.

[DAF86]

Yeah I forgot Montana was a rocket launcher playing in a vertical offense

I didn't bring Montana to the conversation, tbh.

[monosylab1k]

Carroll calls any play other than the one he called and this thread doesn't exist. Sorry but I can't call a guy that can't throw beyond 10 yds the best QB of all-time.

:lol you still try to act like you know shit about football?

[HI-FI]

Carroll calls any play other than the one he called and this thread doesn't exist. Sorry but I can't call a guy that can't throw beyond 10 yds the best QB of all-time.
qft.

funny how life works. if Lynch just runs a fucking yard, I doubt Brady's dinking and dunking would be enough to tie with 20 seconds left. Instead you would hear stuff like "well Brady is still 0-3 since spygate" etc...NE should really consider building a statue for Carroll.

[Ice009]

Why didn't Montana make more Superbowl games? Because he lost in earlier rounds. Far less impressive

When saying stuff like this, you've got to look at the level of competition in both the NFC and AFC and analyze how those teams stack up to the teams that made the Superbowl on the other side of the conference. Who says that the team that loses the Superbowl was the second best team that season? Maybe the two best teams were in the NFC? So even if the 49ers (for example) lost to the Superbowl winner from the NFC, that doesn't mean they were worse than the team that made the Superbowl in the AFC and lost.


To be fair, the NFC was a far superior conference from the mid to late 80s to the first half of the 90s.

If this is correct, then that is the point that I'm trying to make. Making more Superbowls doesn't always necessarily mean more if you only won the same amount as the player you're comparing to. You have to look at other factors such as how strong the conferences were.

[monosylab1k]

qft.

funny how life works. if Lynch just runs a fucking yard, I doubt Brady's dinking and dunking would be enough to tie with 20 seconds left. Instead you would hear stuff like "well Brady is still 0-3 since spygate" etc...NE should really consider building a statue for Carroll.
If Welker catches a routine pass, Brady would already have 4.

[spurraider21]

qft.

funny how life works. if Lynch just runs a fucking yard, I doubt Brady's dinking and dunking would be enough to tie with 20 seconds left. Instead you would hear stuff like "well Brady is still 0-3 since spygate" etc...NE should really consider building a statue for Carroll.
dont go down the rabbit hole. a lot of 1 play what ifs that would completely change the landscapes of professional sports

[Brazil]

What the fuck with this dinking and dunking BS tbh ?

Brady has been smart enough to play what the defense gave him all night long... why dude would throw long passes against sherman and co when this is what Seahawks was waiting for ?

A great player is a player who plays the way his team needs him to play to win if it's less sexy than throwing 30-40 yds passes who cares

[lefty]

What the fuck with this dinking and dunking BS tbh ?

Brady has been smart enough to play what the defense gave him all night long... why dude would throw long passes against sherman and co when this is what Seahawks was waiting for ?

A great player is a player who plays the way his team needs him to play to win if it's less sexy than throwing 30-40 yds passes who cares
Exactly

He picked their D apaer

[Blake]

qft.

funny how life works. if Lynch just runs a fucking yard, I doubt Brady's dinking and dunking would be enough to tie with 20 seconds left. Instead you would hear stuff like "well Brady is still 0-3 since spygate" etc...NE should really consider building a statue for Carroll.

Lol 49er fan crying :cry dink dunk :cry

do you know how the west coast offense that Montana ran works?

do you know why it was created in the first place?

[Phillip]

dont go down the rabbit hole. a lot of 1 play what ifs that would completely change the landscapes of professional sports

especially when it comes to Montana lol

[Phillip]

Lol 49er fan crying :cry dink dunk :cry

do you know how the west coast offense that Montana ran works?

do you know why it was created in the first place?

:toast beat me to it lol

[Blake]

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Madden: "Montana was only 1-4 on passes over ten yards until this play"

dink dunk king

[Blake]

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"....fans have been critical of his ability to throw deep..."

Lol Montana nut huggers

I appreciate his greatness but be real about it.

[Avante]

If there is 2 minutes to go in the game and we are down by 4 on our 5 yard line and I can call in any QB to win this for me......Joe Montana. He is the best I've ever seen, and it has nothing to do with Superbowls***

Dan Marino better than 95% of all QB's, and he has no SB success.

*** Terry Bradshaw was no Dan Fouts.

[Blake]

If there is 2 minutes to go in the game and we are down by 4 on our 5 yard line and I can call in any QB to win this for me......Joe Montana. He is the best I've ever seen, and it has nothing to do with Superbowls***

Dan Marino better than 95% of all QB's, and he has no SB success.

*** Terry Bradshaw was no Dan Fouts.

Fat ol fuck with the lack of football knowledge bads.

Regular season last minute drives, it's not even close: Peyton.

If you need a game winning drive in the playoffs: Brady. Elway a close second.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm?mobile=false