Any word on Devin?

[Walton Buys Off Me]

Weren't Pop and RC supposed to crunch some numbers this past weekend and come to a conclusion Monday morning (yesterday)?

Does CIA have something else up his sleeve?

[Kori Ellis]

I honestly thought it would be in today's Express-News. But nothing.

I wonder if they are still trying to pull something off to keep him.

[Kori Ellis]

Jazz awaiting Spurs decision on Brown
By Linda Hamilton
Deseret Morning News

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,605152320,00.html

Utah Jazz senior vice president of basketball operations said Monday evening he has not heard yet if the San Antonio Spurs will match his offer sheet for restricted free-agent guard Devin Brown.

Spurs coach Gregg Popovich had told the San Antonio Express-News on Friday that he planned to discuss the matter with general manager R.C. Buford over the weekend and have a decision by Monday morning, but a public announcement was not made Monday.

O'Connor said he doubted the Spurs would do anything prior to the deadline — seven days from when they received a copy of the signed offer sheet — because another team might offer a trade over the next few days that would mean the Spurs would want to hold onto Brown. Or a Spurs player could sustain an injury.

Utah's two-year offer is apparently for $2.5 million this season, a bit more next season, with the second year at the option of the team.

O'Connor said he's not sure exactly when San Antonio received a copy of the offer sheet but guessed it was last Friday morning, meaning the Spurs have until this Friday morning to match it. Official NBA transactions list the date as Friday.

If there are no trades or injuries to complicate things, it seems unlikely San Antonio would be able to keep Brown as it has recently signed guards Nick Van Exel and Michael Finley and already has a 13-man roster, the NBA minimum. Also, the Spurs would likely go over the salary cap threshold, so matching on Brown might cost them nearly double the contract in luxury tax, according to the Express-News.

Brown, 26, was born in Ogden but has lived most of his life in San Antonio. He played 67 regular-season games for San Antonio last season, missing the last 15 with a herniated disk, He played limited minutes during the Spurs’ championship playoff run due to the back injury.

[Rescueone]

I'll say that they are trying to do a sign and trade for a second round draft pick from Utah. We should hear something soon.

[Dex]

I'll say that they are trying to do a sign and trade for a second round draft pick from Utah. We should hear something soon.

Unless they're trying to lower the offer they made to Brown, why would Utah want to give away a second round pick to the Spurs when they could just take him for the 2.5 million?

[ChumpDumper]

I haven't ever heard of an offer sheet being rescinded to facillitate a trade, but technically it is possible. Don't know what would be in it for the Jazz, however.

[Kori Ellis]

I don't think they are working on a sign-and-trade with Devin. I think they are just making sure there isn't a last-second possibility of trading someone else and keeping him. Especially if Finley's contract is only one year, they might want to keep Devin around.

[mcdunk]

I don't think they are working on a sign-and-trade with Devin. I think they are just making sure there isn't a last-second possibility of trading someone else and keeping him. Especially if Finley's contract is only one year, they might want to keep Devin around.
Teams like Charlotte and Atlanta who very young and are under the cap would be prime destinations for Barry in order to clear cap space.

[timvp]

mcdunk is right. The Spurs are most likely trying to see what they can get for Barry. If they can trade Barry for some cap relief, then they can re-sign Devin and take Barry's long-term contract off the ledger.

[ducks]

yeah but did brown request spurs not to match because he actually wants playing time this year

[timvp]

yeah but did brown request spurs not to match because he actually wants playing time this year

No.

[Spurs Biggest Fan]

No.

He said in Max Sports interview that his first priority is taking care of his family (which meand $$ comes first) -- if he gets playing time that's great -- he said he would love to stay in SA and have an opp to challenge for a spot on the rotation.

So he said he was just going to wait and see like everyone else.

[ducks]

No.


cool
I am for him for 2 years at that price even if it means no barry

the point guard spot is much more solid this year then last
nve will be here this season and chip is here helping tp shoot

[Solid D]

I think the Spurs are trying to trade Brent AND Rasho...but what do I know?

I also think that Devin would be a real Deal Sweetener.

[clubalien]

if barry traded
devin stays if barry stays devin is off to utah

[Solid D]

if barry traded
devin stays if barry stays devin is off to utah

I agree.

[CHAMPS AGAIN]

Teams like Charlotte and Atlanta who very young and are under the cap would be prime destinations for Barry in order to clear cap space.

Barry is not going anywhere

[timvp]

Barry is not going anywhere

Did you ever get the Barry jersey?

[Solid D]

Chuck Miketinac on Maximum Sports KABB tonight (Tues.) said that as of 8:30 PM tonight when they spoke with Devin's agent, no word from the Spurs on their intentions.

[angel_luv]

Barry is not going anywhere


I hope you are right.

[timvp]

Chuck Miketinac on Maximum Sports KABB tonight (Tues.) said that as of 8:30 PM tonight when they spoke with Devin's agent, no word from the Spurs on their intentions.

That means the Spurs are burning the phone lines. Signing Finley to a one-year contract probably altered the Spurs' plans just a tad. The Spurs probably don't want to be in a situation where they let Devin walk this summer and Finley walks next summer.

Plus, trading Barry and matching on Brown saves the Spurs $$$ this season and into the future.

[ZStomp]

I was high on Barry one year ago.

I am not high on Barry right now.

[Vashner]

He will be in an nba team making millions... Devin will be fine..
If he can prove the back over a couple seasons maybe Pop will get him bak in future.

[timvp]

The Spurs have yet to inform the Utah Jazz and restricted free-agent guard Devin Brown if they are going to match the $2.5 million offer sheet the Jazz gave Brown last week. Barring injury to another guard, or perhaps a trade, they not expected to match the offer.

Interesting.

The Spurs told Devin and Utah that they'd inform them by Monday. We are now going into Wednesday. The Spurs are being verrrrrrrrry quiet.

I think something is up.

:hat

[Marcus Bryant]

But who will deal with the champs?

[Isiah Thomas]

But who will deal with the champs?


Only a fool would make a good team better, which reminds me, I need to make a call.

[remingtonbo2001]

Spurs have looked intensivly into trading Barry for the past two weeks. They knew about the possibility of this situation. I'm not sure if I want to sign Devin at the moment. Utah holds the 2nd year option, which means, more than likely they will pick it up. How good will Devin be in 2 years? Where do you think he might go? Hmmm....Sean Elliott, Detriot? Ring any bells? Devin does remind me of Elliott in some sense. Devin plays for the Jazz for a couple of seasons, becoming a consistant player. After 2 years, he comes back to San Antonio, when we will need him, for oh, I would say 4 million per year.

[marcus]

I though about this possible deal with New York and Cleveland.

San Antonio Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Radoslav Nesterovic
Brent Barry
Beno Udrih

Incoming

Aleksandar Pavlovic
Maurice Taylor
New York 2nd round pick
Cleveland 2nd round pick

Cleveland Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Eric Snow
Ira Newble
Luke Jackson
Aleksandar Pavlovic

Incoming

Radoslav Nesterovic
Brent Barry
Beno Udrih
Trevor Ariza

New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Maurice Taylor
Trevor Ariza

Incoming

Eric Snow
Ira Newble
Luke Jackson

a) We get in Maurice Taylor an expiring contract for next season and 2 second round draft picks. And Pavlovic as well who has lot of potential. Moreover, between the difference of Rasho, Barry and Udrih with Pavlovic and Taylor there is a difference of 2,2 millons, enough to re-sign Devin Brown.

b) If Cleveland trades Snow they would get Udrih to be behing Jones. besides Barry could play pg as well. Moreover they would get a center that could be good if given the chance in Rasho and Ariza that would replace Pavlovic in terms of potential.

c) New York would accept this since they had been looking till Brown joined New York to get good defensive players with Snow among the list. Snow-Newble would be a very good defensive combo besides they wouldn't need to give much in return.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't think Zeke is that stupid and Cleveland needs exactly none of those players.

[marcus]

A trade like that would improve both Cleveland and New York.

and there is something else, if Marcelo Machado finally decides to sign with Cleveland with a trade like this there would be more space for him to play. However, i heard before he thought Cleveland's offer was the best because there was an open spot open for him in the pg position. That should have changed now that they signed Jones.

[mcdunk]

Cleveland definitely does not need Rasho and his contract backing up Zydrunas Ilgauskas.

[marcus]

Actually, Rasho's contract is similar to the one of snow but a bit higher so that wouldn't be a problem

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/3210/a4iq.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

A trade like that would improve both Cleveland and New York.That does nothing for New York. Ariza and Nate Robinson are going to get some pretty heavy burn. They won't let one go and throw the other behind Eric Snow.

[marcus]

Well, Brown was thinking about moving Marbury to sg. And he said several times he was interested in Snow and that he wanted to bring him to New York. In addition to this a change of atmosphere could be good for Luke Jackson to do everything he didn't as a cav.

[Sense]

I though about this possible deal with New York and Cleveland.

San Antonio Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Radoslav Nesterovic
Brent Barry
Beno Udrih

Incoming

Aleksandar Pavlovic
Maurice Taylor
New York 2nd round pick
Cleveland 2nd round pick

Cleveland Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Eric Snow
Ira Newble
Luke Jackson
Aleksandar Pavlovic

Incoming

Radoslav Nesterovic
Brent Barry
Beno Udrih
Trevor Ariza

New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Maurice Taylor
Trevor Ariza

Incoming

Eric Snow
Ira Newble
Luke Jackson

a) We get in Maurice Taylor an expiring contract for next season and 2 second round draft picks. And Pavlovic as well who has lot of potential. Moreover, between the difference of Rasho, Barry and Udrih with Pavlovic and Taylor there is a difference of 2,2 millons, enough to re-sign Devin Brown.

b) If Cleveland trades Snow they would get Udrih to be behing Jones. besides Barry could play pg as well. Moreover they would get a center that could be good if given the chance in Rasho and Ariza that would replace Pavlovic in terms of potential.

c) New York would accept this since they had been looking till Brown joined New York to get good defensive players with Snow among the list. Snow-Newble would be a very good defensive combo besides they wouldn't need to give much in return.


:pctoss

So do you actually think that all of your "this should happen" trade predictions will happen?

[marcus]

Only a fool would make a good team better, which reminds me, I need to make a call.

Isiah Thomas should invest all his Vbookie cash in some stupid cause. :lol

[marcus]

:pctoss

So do you actually think that all of your "this should happen" trade predictions will happen?

I don't know but i think it could be good for the spurs to explore that option.

[marcus]

San Antonio Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Nazr Mohammed
Brent Barry

Incoming

Devean George
Chris Mihm
Brian Cook

L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Devean George
Chris Mihm
Brian Cook

Incoming

Nazr Mohammed
Brent Barry

Successful Scenario
Due to San Antonio and L.A. Lakers being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. San Antonio and L.A. Lakers had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


That is another idea that just came up to my mind. In that deal we would save $ 787.325 filling one spot more in the roster.

With that deal we would get Mihn that can not only play c but pf and has 2 years of contract with pretty good salary. George is expiring besides he could adjust to the spurs system. And Cook would be there in case we have an injury. Moreover he could be a backup to give a similar game as Horry does as pf.

In this deal Lakers would get a better center in Mohammed and a very experienced guard in Barry. Moreover Barry would be perfect for Jackson's system as he likes using big pgs that can shoot and also distribute the ball.

[Mark in Austin]

why the FUCK would SA ever help LA like that? Give them Nazr and Barry so we can match a 2.5 million dollar offer for Devin Brown?

I know this phrase gets thrown around a lot here, but I've gotta say:

Dumbest. Trade. Ever.

[marcus]

lol, Chris Mihn could actually be a very good fit and can play pf so that would help Oberto to be able to play more time as c. Besides even if they don't re-sign Brown, financially, it woul be a great deal. Good enough to even keep Rasho and secure next year off-season.

[marcus]

Lakers wouldn't be a threat besides we still have the LLE. We could sign some good player for 2 seasons making sure that ge can get some minutes. Someone like Kapono.

With 2 those 2 moves the team would look like this:

Center
Rasho
Oberto
Mihn
Marks

PF
Duncan
Horry
Cook

SF
Bowen
Kapono
George

SG
Manu
Finley

PG
Parker
Van Exel
Udrih

That way we would be younger, maybe even better and next season Marks, George, Van Exel and Finley (if he signed to a one year deal) would be free agents.

[Solid D]

Last evening on the 10 PM WOAI TV Sportscast with Don Harris, Don finally shed some light on the Devin Brown decision by the Spurs. He said that he had spoken with the Spurs "tonight" and that the deadline for matching the Utah offer sheet was actually at 3PM on Friday. He said the Spurs will not match the offer, so it looks like Devin will be a member of the Utah Jazz.

KABB's Chuck Miketinac had reported a half-hour earlier that RC Buford had been out of the country the past few days and that apparently nobody from the Spurs had contacted the Jazz, Devin, or Devin's agent about their intentions.

Regardless, it appears that the deadline is today at 3 PM CDT and (according to Don Harris) the WILL NOT MATCH the offer sheet.


This report from the Deseret Morning News in Salt Lake City supports the Friday deadline
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http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,605153203,00.html
Jazz camp in Boise, hopefully with Brown

By Linda Hamilton
Deseret Morning News
The Utah Jazz — who should learn today if the San Antonio Spurs will match their offer sheet for restricted free-agent guard Devin Brown — have announced they will hold their preseason training camp at the Taco Bell Arena on the campus of Boise State University in Boise, Idaho, starting Oct. 4.
The Jazz will hold daily practices in Boise Oct. 4-7, with the workouts closed to both public and media.
They hope to have the 6-foot-5, 26-year-old shooting guard Brown with them after signing him to a two-year offer sheet last week. The Spurs had seven days to match the Jazz deal, which was reportedly for $2.5 million this season and slightly more for a second year, which would be at the Jazz's option.
The seven days is up today.
San Antonio recently signed Dallas free-agent shooting guard Michael Finley and already has Manu Ginobili, Bruce Bowen and Brent Barry who can play at that position, in addition to Brown. The Spurs will be into luxury-tax territory, meaning it could cost them almost twice as much as the Jazz offer to keep Brown, who is a full-time San Antonio resident but was born in Ogden and still has family there.
Brown will hold his own relief drive Saturday in San Antonio for victims of Hurricane Katrina, said his agent, Darrick Powell. Powell said Brown will donate his own money, ask for matching contributions from corporations and take donations of things like disposable diapers and milk from the public.
"If Utah Jazz get this kid, they're getting more than a basketball player," Powell said. "This guy has done a lot in the community, especially with the kids and family. He's very adamant about that."
Utah's first preseason game will be played at the Air Canada Center on Wednesday, Oct. 12, against the Toronto Raptors. The Jazz will then travel to Indiana to take on the Pacers on Thursday, Oct. 13 at Conseco Fieldhouse. On Monday, Oct. 17, the Jazz will play the first of two home preseason games against the Phoenix Suns at the Delta Center.
Utah will then embark on a three-game road swing to meet the Portland Trail Blazers at MacArthur Court in Eugene, Ore., Thursday, Oct. 20; the Los Angeles Lakers on Tuesday, Oct. 25, at the Pond in Anaheim, Calif.; and the Rockets on Wednesday, Oct. 26, at the Toyota Center in Houston.
The Jazz will close the 2005 preseason on Friday, Oct. 28, at the Delta Center vs. the Denver Nuggets.
JAZZ NOTE: Another free-agent guard in whom the Jazz have had interest this summer, former Memphis player Earl Watson, who signed to play for the Denver Nuggets for their $5-million mid-level exception contract on Wednesday, turned down an offer from the Jazz, according to the Memphis Commercial Appeal. The Appeal also said he rejected a $20 million offer from Orlando. The Jazz reportedly did not want to give Watson the full MLE, and other teams had indicated he was too expensive, which he disputed in the Appeal. "None of that was ever true," Watson told the paper. "All I ever wanted was something close to the midlevel or the midlevel, and to play for a team that had an upside." His agent is Dan Fegan, with whom the Jazz have had difficult dealings in the past.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

marcus, that's one of the dumbest trade ideas I've heard in a while.

So, you want to make the Lakers stronger, Spurs weaker, and all to overpay our 12th man?

Dumb. Not to mention George is a scrub, Mihm sucks a fatty against any decent pivot in the West, and Brian Cook shows up about 12 times a year.

No thanks.

[xcoriate]

You know one of my pet peeves is misspelling of a players name....


its fucking Mihm.

You said Mihn like 8 times wtf?

[Solid D]

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/VNhochi.JPG

Ho Chi Minh

[Dex]

Oh well, sucks to lose the hometown kid, but I guess we've seen this coming all summer. Personally, I'd rather have Barry over Brown anyways, and not just because I'm too damn lazy to change my avatar. Devin's a great guy, though, and I wish him the very best in Utah and hope he gets the playing time and recognition he deserves, and wouldn't have gotten playing here.

At least I managed to pick up a few vBucks on this deal. Helps to ease the pain just a tad. :king

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Man Marcus, you're pretty dead set on keeping Devin Brown. I suspect you may in fact BE Devin Brown the way you're willing to revamp the whole damn lineup just to keep him here. Devin's on his way out. I'm not happy about it (personally I wanted him more than Finley) but it's just the way it is. Why can't everyone just accept this?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Why can't everyone just accept this?

Amen. Look, Malik actually played. Devin would costing San Antonio more than Rose did and be stuck on the end of the bench.

Think about it people... 5 million dollars for your 12th man is pretty stupid.

[Marcus Bryant]

Think about this: letting a 26 year old swing go who fits your system and has a great attitude go with virtually everyone else on the bench at the 2 and 3 spots either aging, under 1 year contracts, or both is pretty stupid.

Fuck being cheap. Don't we want good basketball decisions?

[howbouthemspurs]

BYE BYE .... hes gone to utah for good ... spurs didnt match offer. Well it was fun while it lasted.

http://www.newrussianworld.com/info/adm/pics/Sad%20Face.gif

[manustarting2gd]

D Brown has tremendous upside... he's young and i mean how can u not? he played with the best team on EARTH. Devin will be fine, the dude learned from Ginobili and Parker .. WHAT!! Mo Fuckers !