The ST double standard ...

[K...]

wow, little boy diaz really scraping the barrel, Oh man, there's still crows to scare away, gosh damn it. My precious crop of e-cred, lord knows between the storms, the bandits, and the wolves i've earned my share of gods glory. THIS IS MT LAND. SMH Player fans.

[ElNono]

That was not evident you phrased your sentence, btw your question does not make a lot of sense. Not sure what Parker needs to figure out on cp3 he played him often and there is nothing new in the way cp3 is playing unless you wanted to play the smart ass.

im confident Spurs and Kawhi will figure out the double teams and defensive pressure he will get from now on soon enough. Kawhi is a fast learner. Now I'm a bit surprised seeing him and Spurs taken apparently off guard. This was to be expected after his last 20 games surge offensively tbh

So Kawhi, Tony, or you're not a betting man?

[Brazil]

On a serious note, player fans are so sensitive :lol

people should chill, I took all precaution possible in op to avoid player fans :cry and whine. I'm just talking about one game, one bad game happens. I recognize Kawhi is Spurs best player and this is his team and cherry on the cake I said Spurs will win the serie and Kawhi will receive all credit he deserves. I also stated numerous times parker had a terrible game 1... Not sure what I can do more than that unless it is now forbidden to say anything remotely negative about Kawhi Leonard. It is one thread about a game vs. half of dozen about Parker... :lol

Damn this is worst than Vichy regime and people complained about Bruno :lol

[ElNono]

:lol

[RD2191]

On a serious note, player fans are so sensitive :lol

people should chill, I took all precaution possible in op to avoid player fans :cry and whine. I'm just talking about one game, one bad game happens. I recognize Kawhi is Spurs best player and this is his team and cherry on the cake I said Spurs will win the serie and Kawhi will receive all credit he deserves. I also stated numerous times parker had a terrible game 1... Not sure what I can do more than that unless it is now forbidden to say anything remotely negative about Kawhi Leonard. It is one thread about a game vs. half of dozen about Parker... :lol

Damn this is worst than Vichy regime and people complained about Bruno :lol
man up and admit that you're a parker fan. you got so butthurt that you made a thread to ask why more people weren't blaming kawhi.

[Brazil]

So Kawhi, Tony, or you're not a betting man?

Betting on what ? Parker has nothing to figure out (in terms of adjustments / game plan), he has to play better. Kawhi has a new stuff to learn, things are not comparable.

If if the bet is on what will be first: Kawhi figuring out double teams or parker playing better Id bet on Kawhi. I trust our mvp more than parker dominating cp3

[ElNono]

On a serious note, player fans are so sensitive :lol

people should chill, I took all precaution possible in op to avoid player fans :cry and whine. I'm just talking about one game, one bad game happens. I recognize Kawhi is Spurs best player and this is his team and cherry on the cake I said Spurs will win the serie and Kawhi will receive all credit he deserves. I also stated numerous times parker had a terrible game 1... Not sure what I can do more than that unless it is now forbidden to say anything remotely negative about Kawhi Leonard. It is one thread about a game vs. half of dozen about Parker... :lol

Damn this is worst than Vichy regime and people complained about Bruno :lol

It's true though that's difficult to criticize some players in this place and not come out as a hater, tbh...

I mean, until this season, saying anything less-than-complementary about Tony was viewed as some sort of trolling, even though historically there's been legit questions about him...

Now Kawhi seems to be enjoying some sort of protection cloak, probably largely due to being Finals MVP last season...

But really, no player should be above the fray when it comes to pointing out valid basketball opinions...

[RD2191]

It's a nice article, except it doesn't back what you are saying. Well, it does show that he has had a bit of a decline, but that was easy for all of us to see; we didn't need the article to see he is taking more jumpers and finishing at a lower rate at the rim then in years past. But the stats themselves are misleading because they don't tell the whole story. Yes, Tony has had a slight uptick in turnovers, but that doesn't mean that Mills or Cojo are better ball handlers. If you watch the game, which is dubious, but I'll assume you do, then you'll see that neither Mills or Cojo are the primary handlers or creators when they are in the game. On offense, they play off the ball, especially Cojo. The creators are Manu and Bellineli. So that's why they have less turnovers. As the article points out, Parker has never been a great assists guy, so there isn't much there. The article does say that Duncan and Green have improved their shooting while playing with Parker, which makes sense since he seems to find both after penetrating and kicking out for jumpers. And the second unit has better passers than the starters, so of course the assist rate is higher among them. Manu and Diaw and Splitter are among the best passers in the NBA at their positions. The starters run things differently, including iso plays for Kawhi and post ups for Tim and then Tony pick and rolls that tend to end in Tony jumpers mean less assists. That said, the article points out that Tony is still a great shooter, which is why the Clippers have to guard him, even if he is having an off night. And again, I'll reiterate, that Mills's and Cojo's numbers are a bit inflated because most of their stats come against second stringers. They aren't logging 30 minutes against Paul or their numbers would look bad, especially their defense numbers. All in all, you can say Tony is struggling, but he's still better than what is behind him. Perhaps the biggest dig and posting and worshiping this article is that it was written back in January, when Tony was injured and not playing well, and it doesn't account for when he turned things around in the second half and gave big contributions to the Spurs winning streak. So again, Article is meh, but certainly doesn't back up your nonsense opinions.
Virtually everyone is aware of the on/off impact that Kawhi Leonard has had this year with the Spurs. When Kawhi's on the court, they've played excellent ball. When he's not, they've been... shaky, to say the least. Fewer are aware of the fact that Tony Parker's on-court presence has been essentially the opposite. With Parker on the court, San Antonio has been outscored by one point (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/on-off/2015/). Their defense has been atrocious and their offense has been below par. With Parker off, they've been absolutely excellent, outscoring opponents by 7.6 points. Here are some simple numbers on San Antonio's team performance with Tony Parker on and off the court from the current season:

http://gothicginobili.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Screen-Shot-2015-01-29-at-10.38.29-AM-1024x134.png

[ElNono]

Betting on what ? Parker has nothing to figure out (in terms of adjustments / game plan), he has to play better. Kawhi has a new stuff to learn, things are not comparable.

If if the bet is on what will be first: Kawhi figuring out double teams or parker playing better Id bet on Kawhi. I trust our mvp more than parker dominating cp3

:tu

Although I feel Tony can bust out for a 30pt game in this series, tbh

[Brazil]

man up and admit that you're a parker fan. you got so butthurt that you made a thread to ask why more people weren't blaming kawhi.


Betting on what ? Parker has nothing to figure out (in terms of adjustments / game plan), he has to play better. Kawhi has a new stuff to learn, things are not comparable.

If if the bet is on what will be first: Kawhi figuring out double teams or parker playing better Id bet on Kawhi. I trust our mvp more than parker dominating cp3

your lack of finesse is sometimes mind blowing tbh :lol

i made a thread to call out hypocrites using double standard as a religion

im a fan of all Spurs players, I want them to play well, I don't root for a player to suck... Ya I know it's quite shocking nowadays

[eric365]

:lol Big fucking whoop, Andrea Bargnani made the cover that year too:

http://i.imgur.com/OMGPkpP.jpg

Some countries with a nba player gets a local cover like this one of bargnani

But tony was on the cover for the us and most of the countries that year

Obviously i don t think it will convince you and you will spin this because you're just here to hate

[RD2191]

your lack of finesse is sometimes mind blowing tbh :lol

i made a thread to call out hypocrites using double standard as a religion

im a fan of all Spurs players, I want them to play well, I don't root for a player to suck... Ya I know it's quite shocking nowadays
bull fucking shit. you're butthurt because your fav player is getting rightfully shitted on.

[Brazil]

I mean, until this season, saying anything less-than-complementary about Tony was viewed as some sort of trolling, even though historically there's been legit questions about him...

Short memory :lol

well before the Robertos... Site has always been full of people giving shit to parker: tjastal, FkLA, timvpdpotfwankeridiot, all the dudes with a name starting with Diego, manu... Stop acting like it's kinda new :lol you are not credible.

[Brazil]

:tu

Although I feel Tony can bust out for a 30pt game in this series, tbh

he probably will one game or two and will relieve a bit of pain and make things easier for everybody but he won't play consistently this serie or during the POs imo

[ElNono]

Short memory :lol

well before the Robertos... Site has always been full of people giving shit to parker: tjastal, FkLA, timvpdpotfwankeridiot, all the dudes with a name starting with Diego, manu... Stop acting like it's kinda new :lol you are not credible.

:lol timvpdpotfwankeridiot was banned from upstairs... so if the chatter was there, it was short lived.

It's ok though, have a french mod at the time probably had something to do with it...

[Brazil]

bull fucking shit. you're butthurt because your fav player is getting rightfully shitted on.

that or you lack of finesse to fully understand everything... That's a lot of stuff to read in English

[RD2191]

that or you lack of finesse to fully understand everything... That's a lot of stuff to read in English
why won't you admit it? what are you worried about?

[Brazil]

:lol timvpdpotfwankeridiot was banned from upstairs... so if the chatter was there, it was short lived.

It's ok though, have a french mod at the time probably had something to do with it...

he had banned after months of spamming :lol he had a good life and we still talk about him... Ultimate recognition

but I see you forgot all the others it's all good tho ST never criticized parker before this year :lol dat credibility :lol

[Brazil]

why won't you admit it? what are you worried about?

That I'm butthurt ? :lol about what ? I'm not the one creating a daily thread about a player I don't like tbh... So no sorry to disappoint you brah

[RD2191]

That I'm butthurt ? :lol about what ? I'm not the one creating a daily thread about a player I don't like tbh... So no sorry to disappoint you brah
That you're a huge Parker fan and that it hurts you when people insult him.

[Cry Havoc]

Waaaaaay back on page 4. :lol Still applies!


You can tell how robdiaz isn't mad or taking this personally by his 50 posts in a 4 page thread. :lol

[FkLA]

Most of definition include FGAs / FTAs but also TOs and Assists... this gives us an idea of a player usage that was higher than Parker. Again what you described between 3 games and other 2s is your eye test or the way you see it. I don't think Kawhi's feeding yesterday was the main issue. Opinions.

Ok, so you think Kawhi had the ball in his hands more often simply bc Rique did a whole lot of nothing during his dribble dribble dribble (no FGAs, FTs or assts)?

:lol at it just being the way I see it, as if how many touches a player gets is subjective. Check the thread I made to see if it's 'just the way I see it'. He hasn't been fed early like he was during the dominant stretch of the steak...mainly bc Pop still insists on running the offense through a fat, over the hill PG.


the good thing is we are almos the only ones still trying to talk about ball

I'm talking about double standard because parker received all the crap for his bad game and Kawhi escaped from that because of YOUR double standards not mines. Yesterday he defended poorly, had the worst +/- of the team, get stuck in double teams, kept the ball too long but nobody wanted to discuss about it, easier to blast Parker again.

My thread is not a shot at Kawhi, a bad game happen. He will step up, he always stepped up and he will carry his team to a first round win and I will give him props for doing so, for now I'm having fun on ST double standards and give him his share of responsability for yesterday's loss.

The good thing about Kawhi is that even in 'bad' games he puts up 18 on efficient shooting, rebounds, has more assists than the starting PG and grabs steals. If his 'bad' games ever reach the level of shittiness that Rique's 'bad' games reach, then talk about a double standard.

[RD2191]

Waaaaaay back on page 4. :lol Still applies!
hey I'm surprised your gf isn't in here fighting your battles for you.

[Agloco]

Waaaaaay back on page 4. :lol Still applies!

Prolly has over 200 now lol

[RD2191]

Prolly has over 200 now lol
hey so when was parker ever blamed for a loss? did you come up with an answer yet?

[TheGreatYacht]

Waaaaaay back on page 4. :lol Still applies!
:lmao

[apalisoc_9]

Ok, so you think Kawhi had the ball in his hands more often simply bc Rique did a whole lot of nothing during his dribble dribble dribble (no FGAs, FTs or assts)?

:lol at it just being the way I see it, as if how many touches a player gets is subjective. Check the thread I made to see if it's 'just the way I see it'. He hasn't been fed early like he was during the dominant stretch of the steak...mainly bc Pop still insists on running the offense through a fat, over the hill PG.



The good thing about Kawhi is that even in 'bad' games he puts up 18 on efficient shooting, rebounds, has more assists than the starting PG and grabs steals. If his 'bad' games ever reach the level of shittiness that Rique's 'bad' games reach, then talk about a double standard.

[itsamanuthree]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDAYXvQUgAAoekZ.jpg

I wonder if this will make a cover?

Do please photoshop one someone :lol

[RD2191]

Do please photoshop one someone :lol
a bunch on the web, search for parker plank

[Brazil]

Ok, so you think Kawhi had the ball in his hands more often simply bc Rique did a whole lot of nothing during his dribble dribble dribble (no FGAs, FTs or assts)?

:lol at it just being the way I see it, as if how many touches a player gets is subjective. Check the thread I made to see if it's 'just the way I see it'. He hasn't been fed early like he was during the dominant stretch of the steak...mainly bc Pop still insists on running the offense through a fat, over the hill PG.



The good thing about Kawhi is that even in 'bad' games he puts up 18 on efficient shooting, rebounds, has more assists than the starting PG and grabs steals. If his 'bad' games ever reach the level of shittiness that Rique's 'bad' games reach, then talk about a double standard.

Yes it is just the way you see it :lol exactly the way you see it. You used plenty of time usage to complain about Kawhi touches and now this is not valid... Hum ok

you are a funny inconsistent dude, when parker has 18 points with plenty of assists on efficient shooting you trash him saying he is a cone on defense and gives back on the other side... Well by your standard dat was Kawhi game 1, like it or not, he contested 10 shots opponents made 9 of them, his defense was overall subpar but surprisingly its a detail when it fits your agenda :lol

[Silver&Black]

hey so when was parker ever blamed for a loss?

By the 30 threads created....my guess would be last night.

[ElNono]

he had banned after months of spamming :lol he had a good life and we still talk about him... Ultimate recognition

but I see you forgot all the others it's all good tho ST never criticized parker before this year :lol dat credibility :lol

:lol I didn't say criticizing Tony didn't happen before, stop changing what I said. I said criticizing Tony was taken as some sort of trolling, thus the ban...

TIMVPDPOY said a lot of stupid shit, but some truth bombs were there too, tbh...

[RD2191]

By the 30 threads created....my guess would be last night.
But are you not reading this thread? OP wants to know why the guy with 18 pts, 3 assists and 4 steals isn't getting the blame.

[Brazil]

That you're a huge Parker fan and that it hurts you when people insult him.

This is it Beto :cry it is hurting my feelings :cry


carry on tbh :lol not gonna spend my night with your admit it you are butthurt

[RD2191]

This is it Beto :cry it is hurting my feelings :cry


carry on tbh :lol not gonna spend my night with your admit it you are butthurt
Yeah, you should start a thread on how not butthurt you are.

[Brazil]

:lol I didn't say criticizing Tony didn't happen before, stop changing what I said. I said criticizing Tony was taken as some sort of trolling, thus the ban...

TIMVPDPOY said a lot of stupid shit, but some truth bombs were there too, tbh...

you are in the truth bomb business now ? Thought you were better than that. Timvpdoywankeridiot posts make no sense whatsoever and most of the time impossible to understand. Dude is dumb enough to get banned on the most unmoderated forum of the web :lol

for the rest, criticizing manu was also seem as trolling, it has been the same for the big 3 since forever not sure why you are making distinction :lol dude like hater has been tagged as a troll because of that to take one example

[Brazil]

Yeah, you should start a thread on how not butthurt you are.

So that you can post 150 times in it to show how not butthurt you are ?

[FkLA]

Yes it is just the way you see it :lol exactly the way you see it. You used plenty of time usage to complain about Kawhi touches and now this is not valid... Hum ok

you are a funny inconsistent dude, when parker has 18 points with plenty of assists on efficient shooting you trash him saying he is a cone on defense and gives back on the other side... Well by your standard dat was Kawhi game 1, like it or not, he contested 10 shots opponents made 9 of them, his defense was overall subpar but surprisingly its a detail when it fits your agenda :lol

I never complained about usage. I complain about not having a Kawhi centric offense early on to open things up. When idiots were trying to say :cry but Kawhi got 14 FGAs vs NO :cry, I even said it's not about FGAs.

Again, the offense wasn't ran through Kawhi yesterday. He didn't have many plays called for him. The fact that he was able to still put up 18 on efficient shooting despite having few plays called for him is a testament to his greatness. When Enrique had his 18 points and 6 assts vs NO the offense was ran through him and the shooters got 0 3PT FGAs, Kawhi was not involved and they got beatdown. I have no idea why it's so hard for you to grasp the difference tbh.

[RD2191]

So that you can post 150 times in it to show how not butthurt you are ?
No so I can post 150 nuggets of truth, tbh.

[ElNono]

you are in the truth bomb business now ? Thought you were better than that. Timvpdoywankeridiot posts make no sense whatsoever and most of the time impossible to understand. Dude is dumb enough to get banned on the most unmoderated forum of the web :lol

for the rest, criticizing manu was also seem as trolling, it has been the same for the big 3 since forever not sure why you are making distinction :lol dude like hater has been tagged as a troll because of that to take one example

:lol not only nobody got banned for criticizing manu, Bruno the mod went out of his way to bitch and moan about his 2 year extension.

And TDMVPDPOY continually brought up Speedy and Brent Barry's wife, tbh... you can pretend you didn't understand but people don't get banned for gibberish, we both know that.

[Silver&Black]

But are you not reading this thread? OP wants to know why the guy with 18 pts, 3 assists and 4 steals isn't getting the blame.

Because he's the best player on the team.....and he posted a +/- of -21. Should the best player on the team not get the majority of the blame? I certainly think they should....

You know me rob (mi negro). I'll dish out the blame to any Spurs player. This is a lot easier to do when you're not a player fan tbh. Did Parker play like shit last night? Of course. Did Kawhi have a great game last night? No he didn't.

What you're missing though is a lot of the little things that lead to this type of play. Should Parker have more than 1 assist....again, of course he should. Did Diaw and Green missing WIDE OPEN 3s lead to some of this? Yep. The flop CP3 pulled on Kawhi to get him his 2nd foul....that's a huge call. Might have changed the game. The game started to get out of hand after he was benched early.

Parker played an awful game last night....but it wasn't near as bad as Green, Bobo, Splitter, CoJo, Baynes, and even Pop. You only focus on Parker though. I didn't notice the 30 anti-Green threads last night. Were they there? Cause I must have missed them all....

[Agloco]

hey so when was parker ever blamed for a loss? did you come up with an answer yet?

Your issue, your work.
Judging by your posting rate youd be more efficient in using that search function than I. Search away. Let us know what you come up with. Hopefully your findings help with this crisis you're having.

[itsamanuthree]

Y le cantó las 40 nomás! :lol

[itsamanuthree]

Que grande el abuelo!

[RD2191]

Because he's the best player on the team.....and he posted a +/- of -21. Should the best player on the team not get the majority of the blame? I certainly think they should....

You know me rob (mi negro). I'll dish out the blame to any Spurs player. This is a lot easier to do when you're not a player fan tbh. Did Parker play like shit last night? Of course. Did Kawhi have a great game last night? No he didn't.

What you're missing though is a lot of the little things that lead to this type of play. Should Parker have more than 1 assist....again, of course he should. Did Diaw and Green missing WIDE OPEN 3s lead to some of this? Yep. The flop CP3 pulled on Kawhi to get him his 2nd foul....that's a huge call. Might have changed the game. The game started to get out of hand after he was benched early.

Parker played an awful game last night....but it wasn't near as bad as Green, Bobo, Splitter, CoJo, Baynes, and even Pop. You only focus on Parker though. I didn't notice the 30 anti-Green threads last night. Were they there? Cause I must have missed them all....
He put up a very good stat line despite playing with a PG who makes every player on the floor worse. I posted all of his stats and he had a decent game compared to Parker which is what this thread is about. His plus minus was negative but so was Parkers. Plus minus is also a shit stat imo. Kawhi was the reason the game was even close. Parker was the reason we went down big. Spurs biggest runs came with him on the bench. That speaks for itself.

[Brazil]

I never complained about usage. I complain about not having a Kawhi centric offense early on to open things up. When idiots were trying to say :cry but Kawhi got 14 FGAs vs NO :cry, I even said it's not about FGAs.

Again, the offense wasn't ran through Kawhi yesterday. He didn't have many plays called for him. The fact that he was able to still put up 18 on efficient shooting despite having few plays called for him is a testament to his greatness. When Enrique had his 18 points and 6 assts vs NO the offense was ran through him and the shooters got 0 3PT FGAs, Kawhi was not involved and they got beatdown. I have no idea why it's so hard for you to grasp the difference tbh.

:lol except yesterday was not a good example the way he struggled to go through double teams

[FkLA]

Because he's the best player on the team.....and he posted a +/- of -21. Should the best player on the team not get the majority of the blame? I certainly think they should....

You know me rob (mi negro). I'll dish out the blame to any Spurs player. This is a lot easier to do when you're not a player fan tbh. Did Parker play like shit last night? Of course. Did Kawhi have a great game last night? No he didn't.

What you're missing though is a lot of the little things that lead to this type of play. Should Parker have more than 1 assist....again, of course he should. Did Diaw and Green missing WIDE OPEN 3s lead to some of this? Yep. The flop CP3 pulled on Kawhi to get him his 2nd foul....that's a huge call. Might have changed the game. The game started to get out of hand after he was benched early.

Parker played an awful game last night....but it wasn't near as bad as Green, Bobo, Splitter, CoJo, Baynes, and even Pop. You only focus on Parker though. I didn't notice the 30 anti-Green threads last night. Were they there? Cause I must have missed them all....

Because Green got benched. Which is dumb considering the fact that the Clips are the most efficient offensive team in the league but that's besides the point. Meanwhile Enrique was promptly subbed in for MVPaddy when he was hitting shots and sparking a run.

[DPG21920]

There were a lot of problems and yes, I would agree that Parker probably played the biggest role. However, that's stupid considering a lot of guys played really poorly. Even if TP has the biggest part of the blame, it's not like it's a majority percentage.

If you want to argue play by pay, then sure, absolutely TP should receive most of the blame considering he's a very highly paid player. But in the game, no one cares about the amount of money being made. It's not like TP was in the running for MVP and getting a ton of national credit this year; that is what happens to Lebron and why he gets all the blame.

TP has been really, really bad and it has been a very big concern despite the Spurs being one win away from the 2nd seed in a stacked West. Even though TP was really bad last night and hugely important to how far the Spurs can go, a lot of guys played really, really bad and enough so that it just doesn't make sense to blame one player for the game.

Some games, you can blame one player for the majority of problems. This game was not the case.

[Agloco]

Where are your stats to back up your facts?
The team plays better when he is eating bench.

We're not discussing that, try to keep up.

[FkLA]

:lol except yesterday was not a good example the way he struggled to go through double teams

Drawing double teams is a positive thing. Turning it into a negative by going away from your best offensive option is stupid.

Pop should've made adjustments. Surrounding him with shooters would've been a good start (i.e. Paddy in for Porker).

[Silver&Black]

He put up a very good stat line despite playing with a PG who makes every player on the floor worse. I posted all of his stats and he had a decent game compared to Parker which is what this thread is about. His plus minus was negative but so was Parkers. Plus minus is also a shit stat imo. Kawhi was the reason the game was even close. Parker was the reason we went down big. Spurs biggest runs came with him on the bench. That speaks for itself.

C'mon rob....that's a typical player fan response. "My guy didn't do as bad as Parker did".....c'mon you're better than that.

I agree that +/- is not the best stat.....but I've seen you post Parker's bad +/- games in the game thread probably 20 times. You only use this stat when it benefits your agenda.

Kawhi is the better player than Parker. Anybody who argues this is probably just trolling. He's younger, faster, more explosive, plays better D, etc. Is it Parker's fault that Kawhi is taking 2-3 seconds and throwing lazy passes when he is being doubled? You see the double team coming.....move the ball quickly. It's not rocket science. Is it Parker's fault that Diaw and Green can't throw the ball in the Pacific Ocean last night?

You just want Parker to play bad so you can say, "I told you guys so." When 99% of competent Spurs fans already know who the better player is....

[Brazil]

Drawing double teams is a positive thing. Turning it into a negative by going away from your best offensive option is stupid.

Pop should've made adjustments. Surrounding him with shooters would've been a good start (i.e. Paddy in for Porker).

:lol so ok Kawhi has nothing to do with the loss, his struggle against double teams and the 4 TOs is because pop did not surrender with good shooters. Like his poor defense... Must be because of Parker not doing something right :rolleyes

[RD2191]

C'mon rob....that's a typical player fan response. "My guy didn't do as bad as Parker did".....c'mon you're better than that.

I agree that +/- is not the best stat.....but I've seen you post Parker's bad +/- games in the game thread probably 20 times. You only use this stat when it benefits your agenda.

Kawhi is the better player than Parker. Anybody who argues this is probably just trolling. He's younger, faster, more explosive, plays better D, etc. Is it Parker's fault that Kawhi is taking 2-3 seconds and throwing lazy passes when he is being doubled? You see the double team coming.....move the ball quickly. It's not rocket science. Is it Parker's fault that Diaw and Green can't throw the ball in the Pacific Ocean last night?

You just want Parker to play bad so you can say, "I told you guys so." When 99% of competent Spurs fans already know who the better player is....
I've been one of the biggest Parker defenders on this site before. Not sure what you're getting at. And OP is comparing Kawhi to Parker, what else am I supposed to say? Why would I bring up another player when OP asked why Kawhi wasn't getting the majority of the blame? I'm just comparing the 2 and by the looks of it Kawhi played a better game than Parker. Do you really think I want the Spurs to lose? Come on man. This team is awesome and I hate when they lose. I couldn't even watch the end of the game last night because of the Clippers circle jerk. What I want is for the Spurs to have the best shot at winning no matter who is on the floor.

[FkLA]

:lol so ok Kawhi has nothing to do with the loss, his struggle against double teams and the 4 TOs is because pop did not surrender with good shooters. Like his poor defense... Must be because of Parker not doing something right :rolleyes

Nobody is saying he played great. You don't have an argument in saying 'the best player deserves the bulk of the blame' though. Not when he's treated like a complimentary player since the offense is still ran through fat Rique.

[FkLA]

What I want is for the Spurs to have the best shot at winning no matter who is on the floor.

You're not a real fan though bc you don't root for a fat, over the hill PG that's dooming the team. :cry

[DPG21920]

Nobody is saying he played great. You don't have an argument in saying 'the best player deserves the bulk of the blame' though. Not when he's treated like a complimentary player since the offense is still ran through fat Rique.

He's not at all treated like a complimentary player. The offense is run through TP because TP traditionally has been the best offensive player and easily the best ball handler on the team. Almost every single offense in the NBA is run through the best ball handler. If Kawhi had better handles, the offense would run through him more. He's no where treated as a complimentary player; not by the coach, not by the media and not by his teammates.

[RD2191]

You're not a real fan though bc you don't root for a fat, over the hill PG that's dooming the team. :cry
:lol

[Brazil]

Nobody is saying he played great. You don't have an argument in saying 'the best player deserves the bulk of the blame' though. Not when he's treated like a complimentary player since the offense is still ran through fat Rique.

Of course I have an argument following the same standard you usually use, Kawhi put empty stat line, had the worst +/-, he is the face of the franchise and played crappy defense... See how it's easy tbh ?

[Brazil]

He's not at all treated like a complimentary player. The offense is run through TP because TP traditionally has been the best offensive player and easily the best ball handler on the team. Almost every single offense in the NBA is run through the best ball handler. If Kawhi had better handles, the offense would run through him more. He's no where treated as a complimentary player; not by the coach, not by the media and not by his teammates.

and this

[RD2191]

Of course I have an argument following the same standard you usually use, Kawhi put empty stat line, had the worst +/-, he is the face of the franchise and played crappy defense... See how it's easy tbh ?
No, you're argument is that Kawhi should receive the blame because of a flawed plus/minus stat. Any non biased observer can see that Kawhi was one of the main reasons the Spurs were even in the game.

[FkLA]

He's not at all treated like a complimentary player. The offense is run through TP because TP traditionally has been the best offensive player and easily the best ball handler on the team. Almost every single offense in the NBA is run through the best ball handler. If Kawhi had better handles, the offense would run through him more. He's no where treated as a complimentary player; not by the coach, not by the media and not by his teammates.

I'm not talking about handling the ball. I'm talking about calling plays for him and ensuring he is involved early on. He was fed early and often in the post during the most dominant stretch of the winning streak (Den, OKC, GS). All I saw yesterday in the 1st Qtr was a bunch of loops to set up Enrique for his dribble dribble dribble or two man game with Timmy/Boris.

[dabom]

He's not at all treated like a complimentary player. The offense is run through TP because TP traditionally has been the best offensive player and easily the best ball handler on the team. Almost every single offense in the NBA is run through the best ball handler. If Kawhi had better handles, the offense would run through him more. He's no where treated as a complimentary player; not by the coach, not by the media and not by his teammates.

No, it is ran through their best offensive player. We used to do it through tim fucking duncan. That is the same for mostly every fucking team in the nba. I think you have best ball handler and best offensive player mixed.

[dabom]

No, you're argument is that Kawhi should receive the blame because of a flawed plus/minus stat. Any non biased observer can see that Kawhi was one of the main reasons the Spurs were even in the game.

Lets also blames kawhis early season struggles solely on him and not his fucking teammates that couldn't give him the space. I swear that brazil guy is a fucking joke. :lmao

[DPG21920]

I'm not talking about handling the ball. I'm talking about calling plays for him and ensuring he is involved early on. He was fed early and often in the post during the most dominant stretch of the winning streak (Den, OKC, GS). All I saw yesterday in the 1st Qtr was a bunch of loops to set up Enrique for his dribble dribble dribble or two man game with Timmy/Boris.

TP got plenty of good shots with that play calling. The fact he missed doesn't mean the play calling was bad. Kawhi is not treated like a secondary player - you can only run so much offense with someone that has average ball handling and passing ability. Kawhi has made great strides there, but the Spurs offense is no longer low post oriented like it was with prime Duncan.

The fact is, whether it's early or late, Kawhi ended up with more shots than Parker. The Spurs normally spread the shooting around with very rare nights where one person's shot numbers far outweigh the next guys. Also, you can't feed a guy when a team is making a concerted effort to take him out of the game plan (i.e. doubling Kawhi really hard). Normally, defenses should be forced to pay for such aggressive strategies, but Kawhi struggled to do anything positive out of the double teams and had numerous turn overs.

It's not all on Kawhi, but he had a rough game. Whether it was worse than TP's? I'd say no, but again, they both contributed to the issues for various reasons and it seems like an exercise in splitting hairs with the blame game in this particular game.

[Brazil]

No, you're argument is that Kawhi should receive the blame because of a flawed plus/minus stat. Any non biased observer can see that Kawhi was one of the main reasons the Spurs were even in the game.

How can you write that with a straight face ?

you are a fucking joke... The +/- is your favorite stat, it feeds most of diarrhea during game threads and post game threads

don't ever come back with a +/- argument

[TheGreatYacht]

How can you write that with a straight face ?

you are a fucking joke... The +/- is your favorite stat, it feeds most of diarrhea during game threads and post game threads

don't ever come back with a +/- argument
:lol

[Brazil]

In this very thread Beto gives us a +/- stat to show how parker sucks but now it is biased

what a jke

[DPG21920]

No, it is ran through their best offensive player. We used to do it through tim fucking duncan. That is the same for mostly every fucking team in the nba. I think you have best ball handler and best offensive player mixed.

No - it's typically that in this NBA, with very limited post players, the best offensive player is usually the best ball handler. Spurs, it's less running the offense through any one person vs moving the ball to get best shots and pretty evenly distrubuted shots. It's why the Spurs don't even have a player in the top 20 with regards to usage rate.

The term "ball-handler" and "running the offense" have become a lot more intertwined.

[RD2191]

How can you write that with a straight face ?

you are a fucking joke... The +/- is your favorite stat, it feeds most of diarrhea during game threads and post game threads

don't ever come back with a +/- argument
I have never use plus/minus when it comes to Parker as his is almost always positive. You need to take your meds bruh.

[RD2191]

In this thread because that's the metric that you're using.:lol

[RD2191]

Lets also blames kawhis early season struggles solely on him and not his fucking teammates that couldn't give him the space. I swear that brazil guy is a fucking joke. :lmao
:lmao

[dabom]

No - it's typically that in this NBA, with very limited post players, the best offensive player is usually the best ball handler. Spurs, it's less running the offense through any one person vs moving the ball to get best shots and pretty evenly distrubuted shots. It's why the Spurs don't even have a player in the top 20 with regards to usage rate.

The term "ball-handler" and "running the offense" have become a lot more intertwined.

I don't think you know what your talking about, but keep going. :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Lets also blames kawhis early season struggles solely on him and not his fucking teammates that couldn't give him the space. I swear that brazil guy is a fucking joke. :lmao
Might as well add that reason as an excuse for his shit play :lmao

He has pink eye, it's not fair. Do you expect Stevie Wonder to shoot threes? :cry
Stooop you bully! It's obvious the bruise on his hand is greatly affecting him :cry
Pop needs to set him up for success and he isn't doing it. But he's not a system player! :cry
He's not getting the amount of shots he deserves, even though he leads the team in FGA :cry

[FkLA]

TP got plenty of good shots with that play calling. The fact he missed doesn't mean the play calling was bad. Kawhi is not treated like a secondary player - you can only run so much offense with someone that has average ball handling and passing ability. Kawhi has made great strides there, but the Spurs offense is no longer low post oriented like it was with prime Duncan.

The fact is, whether it's early or late, Kawhi ended up with more shots than Parker. The Spurs normally spread the shooting around with very rare nights where one person's shot numbers far outweigh the next guys. Also, you can't feed a guy when a team is making a concerted effort to take him out of the game plan (i.e. doubling Kawhi really hard). Normally, defenses should be forced to pay for such aggressive strategies, but Kawhi struggled to do anything positive out of the double teams and had numerous turn overs.

It's not all on Kawhi, but he had a rough game. Whether it was worse than TP's? I'd say no, but again, they both contributed to the issues for various reasons and it seems like an exercise in splitting hairs with the blame game in this particular game.

He's scored 10 or less in 7 of the last 9 games. Hasn't done much since he came back outside of a good stretch in early March. At what point is missing some of those shots just the new norm for him? I'm also obviously not advocating shifting the offense to the offense of the prime Duncan days. The first option should always be team ball, but after that the main individual option should be Kawhi not Enrique. That's how it was during that dominant stretch of the winning streak where Rique mostly just stayed out of the way.

Also as I've been saying FGAs is an overly simplistic way to look at things. Kawhi is a physical specimen that can get his shot off pretty easily, Enrique is an over the hill PG. The fact that Kawhi was able to get more shots off doesn't change the fact that the offensive attack was centered around Rique.

[100%duncan]

He had a great game as stats show and he only shot the ball 12 times.

[dabom]

He's scored 10 or less in 7 of the last 9 games. Hasn't done much since he came back outside of a good stretch in early March. At what point is missing some of those shots just the new norm for him? I'm also obviously not advocating shifting the offense to the offense of the prime Duncan days. The first option should always be team ball, but after that the main individual option should be Kawhi not Enrique. That's how it was during that dominant stretch of the winning streak where Rique mostly just stayed out of the way.

Also as I've been saying FGAs is an overly simplistic way to look at things. Kawhi is a physical specimen that can get his shot off pretty easily, Enrique is an over the hill PG. The fact that Kawhi was able to get more shots off doesn't change the fact that the offensive attack was centered around Rique.

All you need is the coffin for this nigga. :lmao

[DPG21920]

Boston Celtics: Offense mostly run through IT and Evan Turner (best ball handlers)
Brooklyn Nets: Deron Williams (don't even bother passing to Brook Lopez) or JJ (best ball handlers)
New York Knicks: Who cares
Philadelphia 76ers: Who cares
Toronto Raptors: Kyle Lowry (higher usage rate than TP, best ball handler, despite have a low post option in JV)

Chicago Bulls: Rose/Jimmy - they do run a lot through Pau, but when Rose is healthy, he gets the bulk of usage (best BH)
Cleveland Cavaliers: Lebron/Kyrie - obviously this ties into them being the best players, but most best players also best BH
Detroit Pistons: Who cares.
Indiana Pacers: Even with Hibbert, they rely on their best ball handlers even when they aren't great BH's.
Milwaukee Bucks: Traded for guys that can't even shoot just because they can handle the ball.

Atlanta Hawks: Similar to Spurs. Not a crazy usage rate and spread things around when it comes to shots.
Charlotte Hornets: Terrible chucker Kemba has a high usage rate even though they do run things through Al Jefferson.
Miami Heat: Wade/Dragic
Orlando Magic: They run offense through a big man here. Pretty rare as you can see.
Washington Wizards: John Wall gets the ball despite mediocre shooting because he's best ball handler.

Dallas Mavericks: Good system, Monta was getting a lot offense run through him and it was working well.
Houston Rockets: Harden - best ball handler and best player.
Memphis Grizzlies: One of the very few teams that runs offense through their bigs.
New Orleans Pelicans: Very guard heavy team despite having AD
San Antonio Spurs: TP runs the show, but the system is the offense. Spread around, low usage rates for a top team.

Denver Nuggets: Ty Lawson
Minnesota Timberwolves: Who cares.
Oklahoma City Thunder: Lol Westbrook
Portland Trail Blazers: Lol Lillard (even though LA gets offense through him too)
Utah Jazz: Who cares

Golden State Warriors: Curry
Los Angeles Clippers: Paul
Los Angeles Lakers: Who cares.
Phoenix Suns: Who cares.
Sacramento Kings: One of the few teams that runs offense through someone not their best ball handler.

There is only 3-4 teams in the NBA where the best ball handler doesn't spearhead the offense and where that the best ball handler doesn't coincide with that person typically being their best offensive player. It's not like it used to be. High usage rates for the best ball handlers is the most common thing. In fact, the Spurs with TP are opposite than most teams with their best ball handler not having a really high usage rate and shot distribution.

[FkLA]

Let's just leave the word complimentary out of the equation.

Would you say the offensive attack was centered around Kawhi? If he's being called the best player on the team and it's being said that because of that he deserves the bulk of the blame then the offense must've been centered around him, right?

[DPG21920]

He's scored 10 or less in 7 of the last 9 games. Hasn't done much since he came back outside of a good stretch in early March. At what point is missing some of those shots just the new norm for him? I'm also obviously not advocating shifting the offense to the offense of the prime Duncan days. The first option should always be team ball, but after that the main individual option should be Kawhi not Enrique. That's how it was during that dominant stretch of the winning streak where Rique mostly just stayed out of the way.

Also as I've been saying FGAs is an overly simplistic way to look at things. Kawhi is a physical specimen that can get his shot off pretty easily, Enrique is an over the hill PG. The fact that Kawhi was able to get more shots off doesn't change the fact that the offensive attack was centered around Rique.


The game plan was to limit Kawhi's attempts by aggressively doubling. He still ended up with more shots than TP. Like most games, the shot distribution was fairly even. Spurs got many good shots, but they also had a lot of terrible possessions, many of which stemming from Kawhi/Spurs not handling Kawhi getting doubled very well.

[dabom]

Boston Celtics: Offense mostly run through IT and Evan Turner (best ball handlers)
Brooklyn Nets: Deron Williams (don't even bother passing to Brook Lopez) or JJ (best ball handlers)
New York Knicks: Who cares
Philadelphia 76ers: Who cares
Toronto Raptors: Kyle Lowry (higher usage rate than TP, best ball handler, despite have a low post option in JV)

Chicago Bulls: Rose/Jimmy - they do run a lot through Pau, but when Rose is healthy, he gets the bulk of usage (best BH)
Cleveland Cavaliers: Lebron/Kyrie - obviously this ties into them being the best players, but most best players also best BH
Detroit Pistons: Who cares.
Indiana Pacers: Even with Hibbert, they rely on their best ball handlers even when they aren't great BH's.
Milwaukee Bucks: Traded for guys that can't even shoot just because they can handle the ball.

Atlanta Hawks: Similar to Spurs. Not a crazy usage rate and spread things around when it comes to shots.
Charlotte Hornets: Terrible chucker Kemba has a high usage rate even though they do run things through Al Jefferson.
Miami Heat: Wade/Dragic
Orlando Magic: They run offense through a big man here. Pretty rare as you can see.
Washington Wizards: John Wall gets the ball despite mediocre shooting because he's best ball handler.

Dallas Mavericks: Good system, Monta was getting a lot offense run through him and it was working well.
Houston Rockets: Harden - best ball handler and best player.
Memphis Grizzlies: One of the very few teams that runs offense through their bigs.
New Orleans Pelicans: Very guard heavy team despite having AD
San Antonio Spurs: TP runs the show, but the system is the offense. Spread around, low usage rates for a top team.

Denver Nuggets: Ty Lawson
Minnesota Timberwolves: Who cares.
Oklahoma City Thunder: Lol Westbrook
Portland Trail Blazers: Lol Lillard (even though LA gets offense through him too)
Utah Jazz: Who cares

Golden State Warriors: Curry
Los Angeles Clippers: Paul
Los Angeles Lakers: Who cares.
Phoenix Suns: Who cares.
Sacramento Kings: One of the few teams that runs offense through someone not their best ball handler.

There is only 3-4 teams in the NBA where the best ball handler doesn't spearhead the offense and where that the best ball handler doesn't coincide with that person typically being their best offensive player. It's not like it used to be. High usage rates for the best ball handlers is the most common thing. In fact, the Spurs with TP are opposite than most teams with their best ball handler not having a really high usage rate and shot distribution.

Good way too list most of the teams but then decide to "lol" or who cares when it doesn't fit your ideology. Nice. :lmao

[DPG21920]

Let's just leave the word complimentary out of the equation.

Would you say the offensive attack was centered around Kawhi? If he's being called the best player on the team and it's being said that because of that he deserves the bulk of the blame then the offense must've been centered around him, right?


Kawhi is one of the oddest players in the league and is really changing the definition of "Main Guy" IMO. Traditionally, I would say yes, the main guy should have the offense run through them. But in this NBA, with Kawhi's flaws and the Spurs system, it's not a normal thing.

The system is the offense. Again, even though TP is still a huge part of the offense and gets his shots, he's not some gigantic usage hog like other guys who have the offense "run through them". The system gets guys all across the board many shots. Would I like to see Kawhi with 16 shots and TP 9? Sure, I would be ok with that, but the system gets guys like Green as many shots as TP sometimes too.

[DPG21920]

Also, within each game, things change. I don't think TP took a bunch of bad shots, so I'm ok with his 11 shots. Especially when you factor in Kawhi getting doubled big time in an area he gets many of his shots. Do I want the Spurs to adjust and get him in other places where they can't double? Sure, but that's more on Pop than TP.

I would have absolutely hated for TP to give the ball to Kawhi in the spots he was getting doubled last night because nothing good was coming from that. For the same reasons it's hard to run offense through Kawhi: Limited ball handling and passing. He's gotten much better, but those were tough spots for him last night with the Clippers obviously game planning for him.

[dabom]

I want kawhi at 20 shots every game. And 8 shots int he first quarter every game.

[Silver&Black]

No, you're argument is that Kawhi should receive the blame because of a flawed plus/minus stat. Any non biased observer can see that Kawhi was one of the main reasons the Spurs were even in the game.

Mi negro....you can't use the +/- stat to talk shit about Enrique 20 times then call it a "flawed stat" when Kawhi puts up a -21.

Can't lie to me......I'm in every single game thread....I notice these things. But I will give you credit for this. You are the only member of the Krew who will post and give Parker credit when he does have a good game. I remember talking to you 10 different times when you post things like "I'm sorry MVParker" or "Parker carrying scrubs per par". That's why I'm even willing to have a conversation with you....you will be fair at times even when it pains you to the core to admit it.

:bobo You still my nigga rob....we just disagree on some things. No harm done...

[RD2191]

Mi negro....you can't use the +/- stat to talk shit about Enrique 20 times then call it a "flawed stat" when Kawhi puts up a -21.

Can't lie to me......I'm in every single game thread....I notice these things. But I will give you credit for this. You are the only member of the Krew who will post and give Parker credit when he does have a good game. I remember talking to you 10 different times when you post things like "I'm sorry MVParker" or "Parker carrying scrubs per par". That's why I'm even willing to have a conversation with you....you will be fair at times even when it pains you to the core to admit it.

:bobo You still my nigga rob....we just disagree on some things. No harm done...
Mi llanta, I don't remember ever using the plus minus stat to shit on TP because as I said before his is usually always positive. I did in this thread because that's what Brazil was using. But yes, Parker deserves credit when he plays well. Hopefully he can get back to beasting Chris Paul.

[dabom]

Mi negro....you can't use the +/- stat to talk shit about Enrique 20 times then call it a "flawed stat" when Kawhi puts up a -21.

Can't lie to me......I'm in every single game thread....I notice these things. But I will give you credit for this. You are the only member of the Krew who will post and give Parker credit when he does have a good game. I remember talking to you 10 different times when you post things like "I'm sorry MVParker" or "Parker carrying scrubs per par". That's why I'm even willing to have a conversation with you....you will be fair at times even when it pains you to the core to admit it.

:bobo You still my nigga rob....we just disagree on some things. No harm done...

Look faggot.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=241895

Here I cheering for enrique to get better. He still hasn't.

This reminds me of 2013 Manu. He just didn't have it that year. You could see it a mile away. Pop being a bitch per par again. Trying to teach the team a "lesson". :lmao

[Brazil]

I want kawhi at 20 shots every game. And 8 shots int he first quarter every game.

Antiquated player fan shhhh... Girl

[dabom]

Antiquated player fan shhhh... Girl

You mad your lover enrique ain't getting the spotlight anymore. :lmao

[FkLA]

If any of those teams you listed had a post player that helped lead them to a dominant stretch like what Kawhi did during the winning streak, I'm pretty sure they'd consider switching their offensive philosophy. Truth is the Spurs have looked dead the majority of the season aside from that streak...it's beyond idiotic to intentionally get away from what got them there.

Good to have you back for the playoffs though. Nice to see someone respond with something other than 'you're not a real fan for not supporting him'.

[Silver&Black]

Let's just leave the word complimentary out of the equation.

Would you say the offensive attack was centered around Kawhi? If he's being called the best player on the team and it's being said that because of that he deserves the bulk of the blame then the offense must've been centered around him, right?

Kawhi is considered the best player on the team because he is one of the best offensive threats on the team. And BY FAR the best defensive player on the team. Being called the "best player on the team" is not all about the offense being centered around you. There is an opposite end of the court also....

[Brazil]

You mad your lover enrique ain't getting the spotlight anymore. :lmao

Disappointed... You forgot the faggot

[TheGreatYacht]

Antiquated player fan shhhh... Girl
:lmao

[dabom]

Disappointed... You forgot the faggot

That was implied faggot. :lmao

[RD2191]

That was implied faggot. :lmao
:lmao

[DPG21920]

If any of those teams you listed had a post player that helped lead them to a dominant stretch like what Kawhi did during the winning streak, I'm pretty sure they'd consider switching their offensive philosophy. Truth is the Spurs have looked dead the majority of the season aside from that streak...it's beyond idiotic to intentionally get away from what got them there.

Good to have you back for the playoffs though. Nice to see someone respond with something other than 'you're not a real fan for not supporting him'.

I've been worried about and critical of TP before (he proved me wrong before) - it's a legit issue. I just don't agree he was so big of a problem this game compared to others that he should be allocated the majority of the blame. It really was crappy from most players.

Keep in mind, in that dominant stretch, teams weren't really game planning against Kawhi. You didn't see the hard doubles like we saw last night. That's what is different in doing something not only regular season compared to playoffs, but stretches vs always having the offense run through you.

I agree, Spurs could do more there, but it looks like they tried but the Clips game plan was to limit that option and Spurs couldn't adjust by moving Kawhi around the floor.

[dabom]

:lmao

:lmao

[DPG21920]

If any of those teams you listed had a post player that helped lead them to a dominant stretch like what Kawhi did during the winning streak, I'm pretty sure they'd consider switching their offensive philosophy. Truth is the Spurs have looked dead the majority of the season aside from that streak...it's beyond idiotic to intentionally get away from what got them there.

Good to have you back for the playoffs though. Nice to see someone respond with something other than 'you're not a real fan for not supporting him'.


Also, you are doing a bit of correlation vs causation IMO. The point of that post was to show two things: That in today's NBA, the best ball handler traditionally means they are the best player/offensive engine and the even with that, TP's usgage rate is like 50th in the NBA.

Other teams didn't go on that run because they are no where near as good. That run also coincided with Tiago coming back and balling, TP picking his game up & many guys playing well. Kawhi shined obviously, and it would be great to see more of that, but he has limitations when it comes to running offense through him like you would a traditional superstar at this point.

[Silver&Black]

dabom.....don't ever quote me again. I could not possibly care less what you have to say.

You're a scrub. Your mother was a scrub...your father was a scrub. Scrub blood flows through your veins. You think you're sitting at the table with the big dogs but you're not. You are only surviving off the scraps that Malik, apal, FkLA, and robdiaz are throwing at you. All you do is post ":lmao faggot" and you something think you are winning or "putting people in body bags". Nobody here gives a fuck what you think.

You're simply a gnsf like the rest of us. Learn your place faggot...

[pgardn]

dabom.....don't ever quote me again. I could not possibly care less what you have to say.

You're a scrub. Your mother was a scrub...your father was a scrub. Scrub blood flows through your veins. You think you're sitting at the table with the big dogs but you're not. You are only surviving off the scraps that Malik, apal, FkLA, and robdiaz are throwing at you. All you do is post ":lmao faggot" and you something think you are winning or "putting people in body bags". Nobody here gives a fuck what you think.

You're simply a gnsf like the rest of us. Learn your place faggot...

His place is bent over with me beatin the hell outta of his rear end with a paddle.
This kid is like 12 years old.

[dabom]

dabom.....don't ever quote me again. I could not possibly care less what you have to say.

You're a scrub. Your mother was a scrub...your father was a scrub. Scrub blood flows through your veins. You think you're sitting at the table with the big dogs but you're not. You are only surviving off the scraps that Malik, apal, FkLA, and robdiaz are throwing at you. All you do is post ":lmao faggot" and you something think you are winning or "putting people in body bags". Nobody here gives a fuck what you think.

You're simply a gnsf like the rest of us. Learn your place faggot...

Superioty complex because you signed up to a website earlier than me. :lmao

I can tell I got you shook and a ton of other posters. :lmao

Don't get scared faggot. We just talking basketball. Wait NVM. You don't know shit about it. :lmao

[dabom]

His place is bent over with me beatin the hell outta of his rear end with a paddle.
This kid is like 12 years old.

That's some sexual fantasy you got there faggot. :lmao

[K...]

What's the going rate for adult daycare? Does it go up if the kid has behavioral problems?

[pgardn]

That's some sexual fantasy you got there faggot. :lmao

You need a good wuppin, that's all son.

If you think that's sexual we will have to inform your mom.

[RD2191]

You need a good wuppin, that's all son.

If you think that's sexual we will have to inform your mom.
Lmao, gay as hell. Are you 60?

[dabom]

You need a good wuppin, that's all son.

If you think that's sexual we will have to inform your mom.

That's what faggots like to tell people. :lmao

[dabom]

Like usual. We talking basketball then deflectors come in here and start deflecting. Typical really.

[dabom]

Guys don't start backpedaling now. :lmao

[DMC]

I'm a fan of what Tony has done for the Spurs but you have to admit that his effectiveness rests on his ability to get to the rim over and over and collapse the defense. These days he barely hits the paint, seems to prefer that pull up jumper, and seems to think it's most important that his shot be dialed in, ignoring everyone else.

Unlike the rest of the squad, Tony's game hasn't evolved as he's aged and as the Spurs have acquired new talent. Parker plays around the talent, not with them. You see him out there and it's like he's intentionally ignoring everyone else on the floor most of the time, except Timmy or Manu. That's not evolving, that's not teamwork, that's hero ball and clique thinking.

[pgardn]

That's what faggots like to tell people. :lmao

Son, does you school counselor need a new folder for your portfolio?

[FkLA]

I've been worried about and critical of TP before (he proved me wrong before) - it's a legit issue. I just don't agree he was so big of a problem this game compared to others that he should be allocated the majority of the blame. It really was crappy from most players.

Keep in mind, in that dominant stretch, teams weren't really game planning against Kawhi. You didn't see the hard doubles like we saw last night. That's what is different in doing something not only regular season compared to playoffs, but stretches vs always having the offense run through you.

I agree, Spurs could do more there, but it looks like they tried but the Clips game plan was to limit that option and Spurs couldn't adjust by moving Kawhi around the floor.

Post ups were called for him pretty sporadically. Also off the top of my head he was able to split the double team and score (Jordan goaltend), find Timmy on an assist, and move the ball out of the double team a couple of times. The double absolutely shook him on the plays where he turned it over but that's way too small of a sample size to warrant going away from him.


Also, you are doing a bit of correlation vs causation IMO. The point of that post was to show two things: That in today's NBA, the best ball handler traditionally means they are the best player/offensive engine and the even with that, TP's usgage rate is like 50th in the NBA.

Other teams didn't go on that run because they are no where near as good. That run also coincided with Tiago coming back and balling, TP picking his game up & many guys playing well. Kawhi shined obviously, and it would be great to see more of that, but he has limitations when it comes to running offense through him like you would a traditional superstar at this point.

TP picking his game up? Again, he's scored 10 points or less in 7 of the past 9 games. With all 7 of those games being part of the winning streak. Tiago's comeback was obviously huge for the defense but I'd hardly call him a difference maker on offense. Plus he missed the last 5 games of the streak.

Kawhi doesn't need to be a traditional superstar but he needs to be the first individual option for the team. First overall option is team ball, after that it needs to be Kawhi. I also disagree about him not seeing double teams during that stretch, he did see them although they weren't as aggressive and weren't by a guy as intimidating as Jordan.

[dabom]

I'm a fan of what Tony has done for the Spurs but you have to admit that his effectiveness rests on his ability to get to the rim over and over and collapse the defense. These days he barely hits the paint, seems to prefer that pull up jumper, and seems to think it's most important that his shot be dialed in, ignoring everyone else.

Unlike the rest of the squad, Tony's game hasn't evolved as he's aged and as the Spurs have acquired new talent. Parker plays around the talent, not with them. You see him out there and it's like he's intentionally ignoring everyone else on the floor most of the time, except Timmy or Manu. That's not evolving, that's not teamwork, that's hero ball and clique thinking.

Aside from our differences I agree with this.

[dabom]

Post ups were called for him pretty sporadically. Also off the top of my head he was able to split the double team and score (Jordan goaltend), find Timmy on an assist, and move the ball out of the double team a couple of times. The double absolutely shook him on the plays where he turned it over but that's way too small of a sample size to warrant going away from him.



TP picking his game up? Again, he's scored 10 points or less in 7 of the past 9 games. All 7 of which were part of the winning streak. Tiago's comeback was obviously huge for the defense but I'd hardly call him a difference maker on offense. Plus he missed the last 5 games of the winning streak.

We beat some of the best teams in the league with Tiago not playing. Warriors, rockets and some other teams.

[pgardn]

Aside from our differences I agree with this.

Too bad for any poster who might have a good point.

[dabom]

Too bad for any poster who might have a good point.

You keep derailing the thread. Keep going. :lmao

[RD2191]

I'm a fan of what Tony has done for the Spurs but you have to admit that his effectiveness rests on his ability to get to the rim over and over and collapse the defense. These days he barely hits the paint, seems to prefer that pull up jumper, and seems to think it's most important that his shot be dialed in, ignoring everyone else.

Unlike the rest of the squad, Tony's game hasn't evolved as he's aged and as the Spurs have acquired new talent. Parker plays around the talent, not with them. You see him out there and it's like he's intentionally ignoring everyone else on the floor most of the time, except Timmy or Manu. That's not evolving, that's not teamwork, that's hero ball and clique thinking.
DMC bringing the heat.

[pgardn]

All you need is the coffin for this nigga. :lmao

Sure thing son.

Get to bed.

[FkLA]

I'm a fan of what Tony has done for the Spurs but you have to admit that his effectiveness rests on his ability to get to the rim over and over and collapse the defense. These days he barely hits the paint, seems to prefer that pull up jumper, and seems to think it's most important that his shot be dialed in, ignoring everyone else.

Unlike the rest of the squad, Tony's game hasn't evolved as he's aged and as the Spurs have acquired new talent. Parker plays around the talent, not with them. You see him out there and it's like he's intentionally ignoring everyone else on the floor most of the time, except Timmy or Manu. That's not evolving, that's not teamwork, that's hero ball and clique thinking.

Just when I thought you had lost your touch. Great post.:bobo

[romain.star]

people on ST might not be aware of it but there is absolutely no legal obligation to be an immature, insulting liar to hate on Parker

[DPG21920]

Can anyone pull TP's shot chart from last night? I would be interested to see how many shots came in the paint vs outside the paint (assuming majority, but still want to see). On my iPad and NBA.com won't seem to let me pull shot chart on my iPad.

TP does rely on collapsing defenses, but it's not just getting all the way to the rim - it's about getting into the paint. He missed a couple of good looks in the paint last night (not talking all season here, just last night). I'm not sure how much that hammy set him back. He looks really bad when injured or hobbled for whatever reason. I think what we saw this year had a lot to do with that too - more than we want to give credit to. Doesn't change the result though.

[DPG21920]

Even when you expand your gaze to the entire season vs last night, TP has still been awful this season. Whether it's injury (I think that has a lot to do with it) or not, the results have been really bad. However, on the same note, Kawhi's role has massively expanded. I don't know what more you can want. He's not a traditional type of "best player". He's the best player because he's amazing on defense and made great strides on offense. He has a lot of flaws for an offensive player with regards to running offense through him consistently at this point, but he's made great strides and the team has forced the issue as much as you think I can.

I agree in moments, TP has tried to get going, but I don't think it's excessive like how Westbrook does things. He still keeps moving and has always been a great hockey assister. He's fallen in love with the jumper because of the lack of burst, but he also worked on his 3PT shot and expanded that some. He ignores more than others so it stands out, but again, I don't think it's malicious.

[dabom]

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[ElNono]

Can anyone pull TP's shot chart from last night? I would be interested to see how many shots came in the paint vs outside the paint (assuming majority, but still want to see). On my iPad and NBA.com won't seem to let me pull shot chart on my iPad.

TP does rely on collapsing defenses, but it's not just getting all the way to the rim - it's about getting into the paint. He missed a couple of good looks in the paint last night (not talking all season here, just last night). I'm not sure how much that hammy set him back. He looks really bad when injured or hobbled for whatever reason. I think what we saw this year had a lot to do with that too - more than we want to give credit to. Doesn't change the result though.

http://i59.tinypic.com/aypymb.png

[DPG21920]

So it looks like 6-11 shots for TP came within the paint last night. I think that is pretty reasonable and matches the eyeball test. He got into the paint, but with spacing being an issue and him missing some easier shots (been an issue this year) it made it look worse than it was.

He didn't play good and has been awful this year, but last night, I don't have a problem with his shot selection is what I am saying. I have a problem with how he handled getting pressed at the point of attack and his decision making (along with Manu too). It was either a solid look in the paint/open look or a really bumbled possession - not a lot of in between last night from the offense from what I saw.

[DPG21920]

http://i59.tinypic.com/aypymb.png

Thanks - got to good spots in the paint. Over half the shots. Many were open too. Also got some good open shots for others from that. Need more of that, especially if DJ is going to pull out on him when he's initiating the offense. Get by him, take care of the ball and hit shooters and his shots.

[dabom]

Tony doesn't play good vs 7footers too. His whole career for some reason.

[K...]

I'm a fan of what Tony has done for the Spurs but you have to admit that his effectiveness rests on his ability to get to the rim over and over and collapse the defense. These days he barely hits the paint, seems to prefer that pull up jumper, and seems to think it's most important that his shot be dialed in, ignoring everyone else.

Unlike the rest of the squad, Tony's game hasn't evolved as he's aged and as the Spurs have acquired new talent. Parker plays around the talent, not with them. You see him out there and it's like he's intentionally ignoring everyone else on the floor most of the time, except Timmy or Manu. That's not evolving, that's not teamwork, that's hero ball and clique thinking.

I think that he could be a good roleplayer. He had the outside shot going this year. But the team is not ready to have a pure motion offense like Atlanta. I guess we should root for Atlanta so that pop becomes more willing to bench parker. I think pop is going to ride TP for this post season until we get bounced. So be it.


Replacing parker outright is 3 years away. It's going to take lottery talent whether it comes via trade or draft.

[ElNono]

Thanks - got to good spots in the paint. Over half the shots. Many were open too. Also got some good open shots for others from that. Need more of that, especially if DJ is going to pull out on him when he's initiating the offense. Get by him, take care of the ball and hit shooters and his shots.

Unfortunately, Tony the jumpshooter is an average efficiency player, IMO. If he's not a treat to attack the basket and finish, then the help doesn't come, the drive and kick doesn't work, we end up with a stagnated offense.

[ElNono]

Tony doesn't play good vs 7footers too. His whole career for some reason.

This is not true. But he needs help from the bigs to clear a path, and there just can't be a lot of congestion in the paint. When he was speedier, he could get past anybody.

[pgardn]

Tony doesn't play good vs 7footers too. His whole career for some reason.

He ate Denver up numerous times with DPOY Marcus Camby, a 7 footer...
Please go to bed son.

[DPG21920]

Unfortunately, Tony the jumpshooter is an average efficiency player, IMO. If he's not a treat to attack the basket and finish, then the help doesn't come, the drive and kick doesn't work, we end up with a stagnated offense.

Sure, but I think of jump shooting as out of the paint. He got into the paint, even when it was clogged and missed some very good looking shots. Shots that even with how he's currently playing I think he can make at a good clip. It also got the Spurs a few open looks too and guys missed. But on the otherhand, there were a ton of really bad possessions too. It was either open look in the paint/around the court or just a cluster****.

[Clipper Nation]

You need a good wuppin, that's all son.

If you think that's sexual we will have to inform your mom.

http://i.imgur.com/AwegDKY.jpg

Pictured: pgardn

[ElNono]

Sure, but I think of jump shooting as out of the paint. He got into the paint, even when it was clogged and missed some very good looking shots. Shots that even with how he's currently playing I think he can make at a good clip. It also got the Spurs a few open looks too and guys missed. But on the otherhand, there were a ton of really bad possessions too. It was either open look in the paint/around the court or just a cluster****.

Looking at that short-chart, the bulk of his shots came from outside the paint. Now, I'm not going to blame him for settling, I think the Clippers did a good job of clogging the paint and we couldn't knock down the open looks to open it up. Plus they played better defense than we did offense, as Pop said. I don't expect Tony to suddenly become 2013 Tony, tbh... that's not happening at least these playoffs, so the Spurs will have to do a better, smarter job to space the floor and give him lanes to penetrate.

I just think overall our offense suffers when the end result is more jumpers than drive and finish/kicks.

[DPG21920]

Looking at that short-chart, the bulk of his shots came from outside the paint. Now, I'm not going to blame him for settling, I think the Clippers did a good job of clogging the paint and we couldn't knock down the open looks to open it up. Plus they played better defense than we did offense, as Pop said. I don't expect Tony to suddenly become 2013 Tony, tbh... that's not happening at least these playoffs, so the Spurs will have to do a better, smarter job to space the floor and give him lanes to penetrate.

I just think overall our offense suffers when the end result is more jumpers than drive and finish/kicks.

Well, it looks like 6 of his 11 shots came within 10 feet. I mean, even if some where outside of the paint, that's about as close as you can get and not really jumpshooting is what I was getting at.

But I agree overall with TP settling. I just didn't see that last night IMO. Think he did drive some. But the other possessions were so bad it didn't matter. Spurs got a lot more uncontested looks than I thought, but also their looks that were contested were so bad it didn't matter.

[ElNono]

Well, it looks like 6 of his 11 shots came within 10 feet. I mean, even if some where outside of the paint, that's about as close as you can get and not really jumpshooting is what I was getting at.

Talking about 6 feet, I like his floater. He's not gone to it as much this season, and it's a mystery to me why. I think that's an effective shot for him, and I'd like to see more of it.

[DPG21920]

Talking about 6 feet, I like his floater. He's not gone to it as much this season, and it's a mystery to me why. I think that's an effective shot for him, and I'd like to see more of it.

Agreed and that is still plenty deep enough to collapse a defense. Doesn't have to go all the way in for the layup, especially if DJ is there.

More importantly, he has to be the one to beat that hard trap at the point of attack. Jordan was wayyyyy out of position numerous times with that strategy but Spurs didn't make them pay. TP and Manu are the only ones with good enough ball handling to blow that up.

[pgardn]

http://i.imgur.com/AwegDKY.jpg

Pictured: pgardn

gut wun...

Are you doubling up screen names as a dumb fuck?

[DMC]

Even when you expand your gaze to the entire season vs last night, TP has still been awful this season. Whether it's injury (I think that has a lot to do with it) or not, the results have been really bad. However, on the same note, Kawhi's role has massively expanded. I don't know what more you can want. He's not a traditional type of "best player". He's the best player because he's amazing on defense and made great strides on offense. He has a lot of flaws for an offensive player with regards to running offense through him consistently at this point, but he's made great strides and the team has forced the issue as much as you think I can.

I agree in moments, TP has tried to get going, but I don't think it's excessive like how Westbrook does things. He still keeps moving and has always been a great hockey assister. He's fallen in love with the jumper because of the lack of burst, but he also worked on his 3PT shot and expanded that some. He ignores more than others so it stands out, but again, I don't think it's malicious.

No one is as malicious about it as Westbrook. It's the only way Tony knows to play; he's either the go to guy on offense or he's not involved. He's not big enough to set a decent pick, can't defend anyone with handles very well and that extra weight he's packed on doesn't help. I think he just doesn't have that explosive 1st step to get around the defender. There were many times last night when I saw open opportunities for TP to not pull up at the arc because there was no one in the front court, and TP of old would have exploited that and collapsed all the defenders to shut him down, he'd hit a roller down the middle who would find a wide open 3pt shooter on the wing who'd pull both defenders and dump off to the corner for a wide open look, or go back underneath to the roller who set a pick and now is free to lay the ball in. All of that starts with Tony collapsing the defense and getting people off their rotations. Tony wasn't doing that. If he cannot do that, he needs to sit down.

[DMC]

Well, it looks like 6 of his 11 shots came within 10 feet. I mean, even if some where outside of the paint, that's about as close as you can get and not really jumpshooting is what I was getting at.

Sure, but he was looking for HIS shot, not trying to move the defense. That 6 of 11 from within 10 feet weren't because the defense collapsed. He went around a screen and took a jumper. We can get that any day all day, it's not a great look and doesn't do shit to move the defense. That's Monta Ellis type stuff.


But I agree overall with TP settling. I just didn't see that last night IMO. Think he did drive some. But the other possessions were so bad it didn't matter. Spurs got a lot more uncontested looks than I thought, but also their looks that were contested were so bad it didn't matter.
Manu drove some as did a few other people. Opponents typically call timeouts because of Tony's penetration during his one man fast break, during the spin moves and up and unders and that floater in the lane. He's only doing pull up jumpers now.

[DPG21920]

He got into the painted area enough for me to have some optimism. It's not like Mills can collapse a defense. Neither can Cory. Plus they have much weaker handles than TP/Manu. Spurs got some good looks off of TP getting within 10 feet of the basket - he just needs to find a few times where he goes all the way and it will be a good balance.

It's no where near where he was pre-hammy, but I saw some good things last night in that regard. If he continues to play really poorly (whether that's settling, over-dribbling or just not hitting even the good looks) I am confident you will see him play less. However, the issue with that is (based on the GM1 LAC defense) the lack of legit ball handling against a very aggressive, hedging team at the point of attack.

[wildchild]

Kawhi's role has massively expanded. I don't know what more you can want.
Don't want to see Leonard begging Belinelli for the ball when Crawford was guarding him and DJordan was on the bench. Or begging Tony when he was wide open in the 1rst and 3rd quarter.
It's not this game, we watched he barely touch the ball for whole quarters, maybe people want the team pass Leonard the ball when he demands it.

Probably they want the coach facilitate Kawhi's offense in other ways.
A week ago, Manu said Kawhi can create his own shot now, that means there is a team-consensus that he can do it after watching him in practices and games.
So where the screen set for him, where's the space to operate when the team play most minutes with two bigs like Tim-Tiago/Tim-Baynes...
Sadly, Pop was unable to find better ways to involve, build and accompany Kawhi's offensive game into the new role.

However, about the massive expansion of his offensive role, his usage rate and attempts didn't increase extremely high this season.

About Parker.
He ignores more than others so it stands out, but again, I don't think it's malicious.
Agree with you it's not malicious, maybe is some court vision issue, lack of playmakers skills, or just his offensive game, but that's an issue especially in playoffs.
An elite PG can ignore some guy who plays 5 minutes per game but he shouldn't ignore Kawhi or the player who has the favorable matchup.

[DMC]

I think that he could be a good roleplayer. He had the outside shot going this year. But the team is not ready to have a pure motion offense like Atlanta. I guess we should root for Atlanta so that pop becomes more willing to bench parker. I think pop is going to ride TP for this post season until we get bounced. So be it.


Replacing parker outright is 3 years away. It's going to take lottery talent whether it comes via trade or draft.

I'm not really concerned with the long run. We'll have time to worry about that in the post season. Right now we have the ability to beat the Clippers and who knows what happens elsewhere, you have to be positioned to take advantage of situations that present themselves, like key players going down and suddenly your path to the Finals is much easier, but if you shit the bed in the 1st round you watch the Clippers go get the shit kicked out of them by the Cavs.

[wildchild]

Is kawhi not the best player of the team, the FMVP, the top 10 players of the league who is supposed to lead the Spurs to a repeat?

Agree with you he's the best player on this team, the FMVP and top 10-15 player in the league. But how you can blame a player for the mediocre team-play when that player barely touch the ball for whole quarters, when he must beg for the ball when he is open...?

You can remember when Kawhi had 18 or more attempts in a game? I don't, but I recall those numbers in Tony/Tim best seasons.

We can't blame Kawhi when he isn't the offensive centerpiece of the Spurs system, not having the offense run through him.

[Brazil]

Agree with you he's the best player on this team, the FMVP and top 10-15 player in the league. But how you can blame a player for the mediocre team-play when that player barely touch the ball for whole quarters, when he must beg for the ball when he is open...?

You can remember when Kawhi had 18 or more attempts in a game? I don't, but I recall those numbers in Tony/Tim best seasons.

We can't blame Kawhi when he isn't the offensive centerpiece of the Spurs system, not having the offense run through him.

I guess you did not read OP. I don't put all the blame on him I put most of, the whole team played bad, our best player had a subpar game on both end of the floor.

[elbamba]

Spurs just looked bad altogether. Not one player's fault. They were collectively bad. The good news is that we can play a lot better. I think Clippers played about as good as they can.

[wildchild]

I guess you did not read OP. I don't put all the blame on him I put most of, the whole team played bad, our best player had a subpar game on both end of the floor.

OP about Kawhi
why in hell he is receiving almost no blame after this loss.

I said "But how you can blame a player for the mediocre team-play when that player barely touch the ball for whole quarters, when he must beg for the ball when he is open...when he isn't the offensive centerpiece of the Spurs system, not having the offense run through him? "

You asked why and I answered it.

[Brazil]

^ :lol ok

most FGAs
4 TOs
struggling against double team
subpar defense

i guess all dat shit is because he is not centerpiece of offense.... Player fans :lol

[RD2191]

Brazil, give it up bruh. You took weiners to the face in this thread.

[dabom]

4 steals but keep deflecting.

1 assist 2 turnover
more shots than points. :lmao
more turnovers than assist. :lmao

1:1 faceplant to assist ratio. :lmao

[dabom]

Rivers Jr taking him to school. :lmao

[RD2191]

Rivers Jr taking him to school. :lmao
Nigga couldn't take arguably the worst PG off the dribble and niggas trying to blame Kawhi.:lol

[K...]

So I never got an answer. If kawhi, our Lord I corn rows, gets the max deal what is minimum stat line he needs to average to escape criticism?

[dabom]

Calling westbrook a low IQ chucker but Tony is worse. :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Thinking steals = defense :lmao

Scottie Barnes - 2
Kawhi Marion - 0

[TheGreatYacht]

Lmao. Stay mad bro. Gtfo if you don't like it.

I ain't mad...this is 17 pages of you getting punked
22 pages and counting :lmao

[wildchild]

i guess all dat shit is because he is not centerpiece of offense.... Player fans :lol

You really think this is his team? How he can be when he should beg for the ball, when play limited minutes in playoffs...and more.

I blame a player for team-failure when his presence takes all protagonism on his team.
Just give Kawhi that, 18 touches per game, 44 minutes per game in playoffs, like many other young stars in the league and I'll blame him, too.

I'm naive enough to settle for having him at least Beli's touches and minutes. Adding to Kawhi's current numbers that could be a nice improvement.
But Pop hates me.


most FGAs
No. Kawhi isn't even the Spurs leader in attempts per game in the season.

[Silver&Black]

Player fans :lol

[RD2191]

You really think this is his team? How he can be when he should beg for the ball, when play limited minutes in playoffs...and more.

I blame a player for team-failure when his presence takes all protagonism on his team.
Just give Kawhi that, 18 touches per game, 44 minutes per game in playoffs, like many other young stars in the league and I'll blame him, too.

I'm naive enough to settle for having him at least Beli's touches and minutes. Adding to Kawhi's current numbers that could be a nice improvement.
But Pop hates me.


No. Kawhi isn't even the Spurs leader in attempts per game in the season.
Go easy on Brazil, his love of Parker is obviously blinding him.

[TheGreatYacht]

Player fans :lol

[wildchild]

Go easy on Brazil, his love of Parker is obviously blinding him.

Toxic love.

[itzsoweezee]

Op is obviously a fucking moron. The clippers are doubling kawhi every time he touches the ball. That means Tony and Danny should be scoring easily. Unfortunately, both of those guys shit the bed. Can't blame kawhi for other players' shitiness.

[itzsoweezee]

So I never got an answer. If kawhi, our Lord I corn rows, gets the max deal what is minimum stat line he needs to average to escape criticism?

Being The most dominant defender in the league is good enough.

[RD2191]

Op is obviously a fucking moron. The clippers are doubling kawhi every time he touches the ball. That means Tony and Danny should be scoring easily. Unfortunately, both of those guys shit the bed. Can't blame kawhi for other players' shitiness.
Mah nigga on a roll tonight.

[TheGreatYacht]

Being The most dominant defender in the league is good enough.
He got shitted on by everyone in Game 1. Walking negative, tbh... -21

[RD2191]

He got shitted on by everyone in Game 1. Walking negative, tbh... -21
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDAYXvQUgAAoekZ.jpg
It ain't easy carrying a dead teammate.

[TheGreatYacht]

-21

[RD2191]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDAYXvQUgAAoekZ.jpg
It ain't easy carrying a dead teammate.

[TheGreatYacht]

-21

[RD2191]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDAYXvQUgAAoekZ.jpg
It ain't easy carrying a dead teammate.

[TheGreatYacht]

-21

[Brazil]

You really think this is his team?

No. Kawhi isn't even the Spurs leader in attempts per game in the season.

It's duncan team then he is spur best player acknowledged by everybody including pop so yeah it's more his team than manu parker or the others.

for the rest dear god dude I'm talking about game 1. Why do you bring this season in this thread ? He played a subpar game like the rest of the team, he is the reigning fmvp and a top 10 player of the league it's quite legitimate to expect more from him than the rest of the team and don't come with your :cry he had not the ball enough game 1 :cry he struggled against double teams and had a pedestrian defensive game.

we will win the serie, he will shine and I will give him props for leading his team

[Brazil]

Op is obviously a fucking moron. The clippers are doubling kawhi every time he touches the ball. That means Tony and Danny should be scoring easily. Unfortunately, both of those guys shit the bed. Can't blame kawhi for other players' shitiness.

Speaking of moron, the fact Kawhi played a very pedestrian game on defense has something to do with Danny and parker or maybe he just had a bad game ? Shit happens, get over it faggot

[TheGreatYacht]

Speaking of moron, the fact Kawhi played a very pedestrian game on defense has something to do with Danny and parker or maybe he just had a bad game ? Shit happens, get over it faggot
Quit abusing the special needy bro

[itzsoweezee]

He got shitted on by everyone in Game 1. Walking negative, tbh... -21

^^^ thinks Matt Bonner is a hall of famer

[TheGreatYacht]

^^^ thinks Matt Bonner is a hall of famer
Your krew uses +/- ... Oh so now that stat is meaningless, huh, faggot

[itzsoweezee]

Speaking of moron, the fact Kawhi played a very pedestrian game on defense has something to do with Danny and parker or maybe he just had a bad game ? Shit happens, get over it faggot

No. Danny and Parker had shitty games because they played like shit. Now go eat a baguette, shithead.

[RD2191]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDAYXvQUgAAoekZ.jpg
It ain't easy carrying a dead teammate.

[TheGreatYacht]

-21

[wildchild]

he struggled against double teams and had a pedestrian defensive game.
There is something else between pedestrian and a great game but you aren't willing to admit it or able to understand the difference. Anyway, I don't want to generate another endless discussion.


don't come with your he had not the ball enough :cry:
I've been saying the same thing for three seasons and I still maintain that.

[Brazil]

No. Danny and Parker had shitty games because they played like shit. Now go eat a baguette, shithead.

Try to understand what you read... it will avoid you look stupid

It seems you are not a very clever dude so it takes longer for you tbh at least you have the vocabulary to call people names that's already something... I guess you an average joe in your wood

[cd021]

Seems Matrix can be easily neutralized by sending a double team his way. Plenty of time for Pop to counteract.

What id be more worried about is Matrix trying to be the black Keith Van Horn. That and Barnes toying with him.

Oh and it would help if Kawhi could successfully post up when Jamal Crawford is guarding him imo 40 pound and 4 inch difference tbh

They are 2 inches apart

[wildchild]

Oh and it would help if Kawhi could successfully post up when Jamal Crawford is guarding him imo 40 pound and 4 inch difference tbhThey are 2 inches apart

Sure? Really? Just tell his coach and teammates they should give him the fucking ball



:lol Beli still in the game and Kawhi not getting the ball with Crawford guarding him
Holy fuck Pop.


Kawhi has Crawford on him and we are running the offense through Enrique Heroball. :lol

[itsamanuthree]

http://rack.1.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDEzLzA3LzE4L2EwL2NyeWluZ3dhdGVyLjQ2NzZiLmdpZg pwCXRodW1iCTEyMDB4OTYwMD4/9fead436/c15/crying-waterfalls.gif

:lol:lol:lol

[dabom]

:lmao

[lefty]

:lol

[Brazil]

Why bumping dat thread tbh ?

as I said we will win the serie and Kawhi will lead the way....