Curry seeking sign-and-trade

[Kori Ellis]

Curry seeking sign-and-trade
Source: Agent has asked Bulls about it
By Marlen Garcia
Tribune staff reporter

September 7, 2005

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Eddy Curry's agent has asked the Bulls to consider a sign-and-trade for the restricted free agent, a source familiar with the negotiations confirmed Tuesday.

Curry's agent, Leon Rose, did not respond to a message, and Bulls general manager John Paxson declined to confirm or deny the request. But Paxson acknowledged the parties are nowhere near reaching an agreement.

"We're not anywhere close to having anything done," Paxson said.

The workings of a sign-and-trade tend to be complicated. Last summer, after 34 days of negotiations, the Bulls and Knicks agreed to a sign-and-trade that sent Jamal Crawford to New York. The upside was the financial relief the Bulls received in salary-cap room.

Curry seems an unlikely candidate for a sign-and-trade, mainly because his heart condition makes such a scenario even more complex than usual.

Two months ago the league informed the Bulls that Curry's condition would be excluded from disability coverage by its insurance carrier, and since then Rose has been unable to secure a policy for the former Thornwood High star.

Without insurance, the Bulls will not make a long-term contract offer, leaving the parties at an impasse, though Paxson said talks remain amicable.

"There's nothing negative," he said.

Nevertheless, he doesn't have any meetings scheduled with Rose this week and an Oct. 1 deadline is looming. If Curry does not have a contract in place by then, and if he does not have an offer sheet from another team, his only option is to play for the Bulls' qualifying offer of $5.14 million. The latter appears most likely at this point.

Before they make a long-term commitment to Curry, Bulls officials want to see how the condition detected last spring affects his play. If he can play one season without incident, an insurance company is more likely to drop exclusions for 2006-07.

Curry has an enlarged heart and an irregular heartbeat, which forced him to miss the season's final 13 games and the playoffs. Prominent heart specialists the Bulls consulted did not clear Curry to play, but he sought the opinion of a respected cardiologist in Los Angeles and received clearance.

If he plays with the qualifying offer, Curry would need to play with the kind of intensity players exhibit during contract years to command mega-millions next summer as an unrestricted free agent—assuming his health would allow it.

While the Bulls could make the most generous contract offer next year, they run a risk of alienating the 22-year-old center. He could spurn the Bulls if he believes they slighted him.

A sign-and-trade would give the Bulls something in return, but as long as his heart issues continue to haunt Curry and the Bulls, his value diminishes.

Meanwhile, questions continue to surface about Curry's weight and whether he's in shape. Earlier this summer he said he wasn't playing full-court because he didn't want to risk an injury while negotiating a contract. He has been drilling and lifting weights under the guidance of Tim Grover, Michael Jordan's former trainer.

[marcus]

lol, i have just posted it as well.

[Kori Ellis]

Yeah you were one minute too late. ;)

[TDMVPDPOY]

trade rasho/any other scrub with fugly contracts for curry/1 year deal at the salary combined, give him only 1 year to see how he goes if he does crap show him the door.

[Kori Ellis]

He wants a sign and trade because he wants more than a one-year deal.

With the insurance issue, I don't think he'll get a long-term contract from anyone. His best bet is just to stay with Chicago for one year.

[marcus]

We should offer Rasho in a sign and trade for curry with a contract of 5 millons each year for the next 3 years.

This way we would free out 1,7 millons for this season and get rid of the rest of Nesterovic's contract especially his huge 4th year.

Moreover, by this we might be able to re-sign Brown.

And about Curry's heart problem, well, if he comes to San Antonio he wouldn't see more than 20 minutes per night so he wouldn't get so damaged.

I said 3 years of length because that way he would agree besides it is better for the spurs to have Curry for 3 years with 15 millons than Rasho for 4 years with more than 30 millons.

[Kori Ellis]

And about Curry's heart problem, well, if he comes to San Antonio he wouldn't see more than 20 minutes per night so he wouldn't get so damaged.

How the hell would you conclude that 20 minutes a night won't hurt him? He could have heart problems just from walking across the street. Insurance won't cover him. The Spurs aren't going to give a guy a 3-year-deal who's health is so much in question that they can't get insurance.

[Marcus Bryant]

If Chicago would take back Radoslav in a sign and trade I would not be surprised to see the Spurs interested in Curry.

[marcus]

Still Curry for Nesterovic is a risk i would take. Again, even if he can only play 20 games in season 2 and 3 it would be better than giving 30 millons in 4 years to Rasho.

I can understand the insurances situation as the contract would be pretty significant if Curry signs for more than one season with the bulls.

by the way, i said that 20 minutes per night in San Antonio wouldn't hurt compared to what he would be asked for in Chicago that would be much more than that.

[Kori Ellis]

If Chicago would take back Radoslav in a sign and trade I would not be surprised to see the Spurs interested in Curry.

For one year, I might be able to see it. For a 3-year deal? I don't think so.

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs would not give Curry a 3 year deal. But if the Bulls wanted Radoslav I'm sure the Spurs could come up with a sensible deal for Curry, which most likely would contain a significant nonguaranteed component.

[ChumpDumper]

Just what we need, a walking time bomb who at best could get in Tim's way on offense, play no D and fail to break 1 block per game or 10 boards per 48 despite being 7ft, 300lbs.

[Marcus Bryant]

Just what we need, a walking time bomb who at best could get in Tim's way on offense, play no D and fail to break 1 block per game or 10 boards per 48 despite being 7ft, 300lbs.


...but he'd save Holt Cat some serious $, so that would make a bad basketball decision a good one, according to Spurs fans.

[kskonn]

If we did a trade woudn't we have to take some other players from chicago for the salaries to even out? or is it based only on the current years salary?

[Marcus Bryant]

Are the Bulls under the cap?

[marcus]

If we did a trade woudn't we have to take some other players from chicago for the salaries to even out? or is it based only on the current years salary?

If chicago is under the cap so in a sign and trade they should be able to get a contract like the one of Rasho.

[Kori Ellis]

They are under the cap.

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/chicago.htm

[ShoogarBear]

I bet timvp's lusting for a sign-and-trade to the Spurs.

Eddy Curry is to him as Brent Barry is to whottt.

:)

[FoxMulder]

I´ve never trade Rasho for a player than nobody knows if can die on the floor, I know Curry is far better but...

[marcus]

I´ve never trade Rasho for a player than nobody knows if can die on the floor, I know Curry is far better but...

in 3 years Rasho will still be on the court but just for stealing money with his salary. At least, in a team like San Antonio.

If he goes to Chicago he could improve his numbers a lot.

[Marcus Bryant]

Actually, we have found a NBA center for whom Radoslav is his superior.

[ploto]

You do realize that Curry thinks he is a 6 year- $70M contract guy? He wants what Chandler got for his 0.92 blocks per game. If all he gets is a one-year deal, he can just sign the qualifying offer.

[Marcus Bryant]

It doesn't matter what Curry thinks he is. What matters is that the Bulls would be willing to take back Radosoft for him. Right now Curry isn't going to get anything close to a long term deal in free agency.

The Spurs would take him on just to get rid of Radosoft's contract and then drop Curry at the 1st available opportunity.

[FoxMulder]

in 3 years Rasho will still be on the court but just for stealing money with his salary. At least, in a team like San Antonio.

If he goes to Chicago he could improve his numbers a lot.

Ok but I don´t know how much money can the Spurs save if they trade Rasho for Curry ...

[marcus]

Ok but I don´t know how much money can the Spurs save if they trade Rasho for Curry ...

As an example if we give him a 3 years deal with 5 millons for each year we would be saving 1,7 millons for this season compared to Rasho and in total 15 millons.

Rasho's contract has 4 years at a value around 30 millons.

[ChumpDumper]

Realistically, the best the Spurs could probably do would be the same money for one less year.

Where's the savings?

[marcus]

Rasho makes 6,72 millons this season. Bull's qualifying offer for Curry is of 5,14 millons.

[mcdunk]

They are under the cap.

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/chicago.htm
Chicago is over the cap this total value does not include qualifying offers. So add Chandlers $10mil plus contract and Currys $5.139mil min and their team salary is over $49.5 million.

[ChumpDumper]

Rasho makes 6,72 millons this season. Bull's qualifying offer for Curry is of 5,14 millons.And? That doesn't mean that's what he's looking for.

[ChumpDumper]

There could be some kind of three way trade that could work, but I don't think the Spurs would want anything to do with Curry himself.

[Marcus Bryant]

Did the Spurs want anything to do with Ron Mercer originally?

Curry for Rasho would address the primary concern of Holt Cat at this moment and the Spurs have shown that they will do whatever it takes when Holt Cat's precious $s are threatened.

[ChumpDumper]

Curry for Rasho would address the primary concern of Holt Cat at this moment and the Spurs have shown that they will do whatever it takes when Holt Cat's precious $s are threatened.That would be true if Curry agreed to a one year deal. I don't see that happening.

Now, if we could swing something stupid like:

Rasho to Bulls
Curry to Lakers
ghost of Divac to Spurs

Then you would be in business.

[Marcus Bryant]

I don't see Curry drawing that much interest. The Spurs seem desperate to jettison Radoslav in order to meet the budgetary constraints imposed by Holt Cat. Taking on a never was like Curry for a season is definitely not out of the realm of possibilities for the Spurs.

[ChumpDumper]

How much?

For how long?

The only reason Curry would want to explore a sign and trade is for more money and more years.

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs can make him think they want him long term (ie Anderson, Derek).

Two years at most, make a substantial part of the 2nd year non-guaranteed. In the end it would save the Spurs a fair amount of change, all things considered.

[SenorSpur]

You do realize that Curry thinks he is a 6 year- $70M contract guy? He wants what Chandler got for his 0.92 blocks per game. If all he gets is a one-year deal, he can just sign the qualifying offer.

Given Curry's risky medical condition, I can't see how he could expect any team to shell out a long term commitment to him.

In addition to his bad heart, many teams think the guy actually HAS no heart. He should temper his expectations - at least for this season anyway.

[ChumpDumper]

The Spurs can make him think they want him long term (ie Anderson, Derek).We were locked into what we could pay for DA the first year. No such restrictions with Curry.
Two years at most, make a substantial part of the 2nd year non-guaranteed.That's probably what the Bulls want to do.

He either gets a multiyear guaranteed deal or he takes the qualifying offer.

[Marcus Bryant]

We were locked into what we could pay for DA the first year. No such restrictions with Curry.

The limitation comes from his market value, which is capped due to his health.




That's probably what the Bulls want to do.

He either gets a multiyear guaranteed deal or he takes the qualifying offer.

Unless they find Radoslav more appealing than a Curry who may never play again.

If he's amenable and the Bulls are willing, the Spurs would definitely consumate such a deal.

[ChumpDumper]

The limitation comes from his market value, which is capped due to his health.
So he takes the QO.
If he's amenable and the Bulls are willing, the Spurs would definitely consumate such a deal.The first part is the biggest hurdle. Chances are he's going to cost more than would be practical.

[ploto]

Curry has to agree to any sign-and-trade. It is not a matter of what the Bulls or Spurs may want. Curry ONLY wants it to get more money and more years. He would have absolutely no reason to agree to come to the Spurs for one year at the qualifying offer amount.

[Marcus Bryant]

So he takes the QO.


Spurs can make him a better offer.




The first part is the biggest hurdle. Chances are he's going to cost more than would be practical.

Would Holt Cat pay $6 mil today to an unusable player to make $23 mil+ tomorrow due an unused player go away? I think so.

[Rick Von Braun]

Just what we need, a walking time bomb who at best could get in Tim's way on offense, play no D and fail to break 1 block per game or 10 boards per 48 despite being 7ft, 300lbs.
I agree with Chump here... Curry is horrid. For his size, he is an increadible bad rebounder... and his baskeball IQ is -75... the guy is clueless. I would pass on him.

[Kori Ellis]

Example of Curry's work ethic: Sometimes he reportedly gets in trouble for eating sandwiches DURING practice.

[Marcus Bryant]

Example of Curry's work ethic: Sometimes he reportedly gets in trouble for eating sandwiches DURING practice.


Hey, as long as he can sign a contract that ends by 2007 for $10 mil or less he'd be "coachable" now...

:smokin

Let's not forget that the Spurs wanted to give away Radoslav for the rotting corpse of TAW's career a month ago.

[Kori Ellis]

Oh I'm not against Curry coming here for one season. I was just making note of his eating habits :lol

[Marcus Bryant]

The sad thing is, some Spurs fans out there will hail a Rasho for Curry swap as being a steal, just so that they wouldn ot have to criticize their lord, their savior, HC himself.


WWHD?

[ChumpDumper]

Spurs can make him a better offer.So can the Bulls -- and all things being equal contract-wise, one would think he'd stay there.
Would Holt Cat pay $6 mil today to an unusable player to make $23 mil+ tomorrow due an unused player go away? I think so.The first part was Curry and his agent, not Holt.

[Marcus Bryant]

Sure, but Holt Cat can improve the offer to make Curry and his agent amenable to making the journey south.

If the Bulls won't commit today, when will they?

[ChumpDumper]

Sure, but Holt Cat can improve the offer to make Curry and his agent amenable to making the journey south.That would take alot of improving.
If the Bulls won't commit today, when will they?They don't have to -- all they have to do is wait for him to take the QO.

I simply think that any offer that would actually interest Curry would pretty much equal or more likely surpass Rasho's current deal. Higher than he'd probably get in the open market? Sure, but that didn't stop Swift either.

[Supergirl]

Yeah, that's great <sarcasm>

Let's trade a center who is defensively better than 85-90% of the centers in the NBA, who is healthy and reliable, and who has proven that when it is needed of him, he can step up and provide offense (such as when Tim is out of the game) as well.

I mean, hey, a center who MAY or MAY NOT succeed with the Spurs in his first full season with the team (Nazr) and a center with such serious heart problems insurance companies won't cover him ought to be enough, right? Oh, and an undersized unproven foreigner who's never played in the NBA, who may be better suited to PF (Fabri). Yeah, right. You are all smoking crack.

Rasho stays put, until and IF Nazr proves to be better and Rasho proves to be expendable. And that's a big if.

[clubalien]

I don't think we would end up with him

[Marcus Bryant]

Yeah, that's great <sarcasm>

Let's trade a center who is defensively better than 85-90% of the centers in the NBA, who is healthy and reliable, and who has proven that when it is needed of him, he can step up and provide offense (such as when Tim is out of the game) as well.

I mean, hey, a center who MAY or MAY NOT succeed with the Spurs in his first full season with the team (Nazr) and a center with such serious heart problems insurance companies won't cover him ought to be enough, right? Oh, and an undersized unproven foreigner who's never played in the NBA, who may be better suited to PF (Fabri). Yeah, right. You are all smoking crack.

Rasho stays put, until and IF Nazr proves to be better and Rasho proves to be expendable. And that's a big if.


You do realize that if such a deal was available to the Spurs they'd take it knowing full well all of the problems you listed?

[Kori Ellis]

Paxson not pushing for Curry swap
By Marlen Garcia
Tribune staff reporter

September 7, 2005, 10:12 PM CDT

John Paxson isn't pursuing a sign-and-trade for Eddy Curry, the Bulls general manager said Wednesday in an interview on WSCR-AM 670.

"If we were to do it, we'd have to get something we really like in return, and I don't think that's very realistic," Paxson said.

Paxson acknowledged the primary stumbling block in a sign-and-trade would be Curry's heart condition, for which he has no disability insurance.

Curry's agent, Leon Rose, had asked the Bulls to consider a sign-and-trade, according to a source familiar with the negotiations.

Curry has been offered a multiyear deal with "parameters that reflect concerns we have," Paxson said.

That proposal is believed to be for three years. If no deal is reached by October, Curry will play for the Bulls' qualifying offer of $5.14 million and could become an unrestricted free agent after the upcoming season.

Paxson also indicated the Bulls again will ask Curry to undergo genetic testing to determine if he is predisposed to hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, a potentially life-threatening condition. Curry declined the test last spring.

"Eddy can refuse to do it," Paxson said. "And if that happens when the day is done come October, then we have another issue we're going to have to deal with."

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[Dre_7]

Am I the only that finds it weird that there is a Marcus and a Marcus Bryant here? :lol

[Dre_7]

BTW, if his heart is good, Curry will be a BEAST!