2015 Spurs NBA Draft Pick Thread

[RD2191]

By the way can people not ruin the draft this year by embedding woj tweets.

[Chinook]

As I've said before, I think the Spurs could get pretty high up in the draft by moving Mills/using cap space to take bad contracts. I sort of want them to go that route if Tim and Manu return. I'm also curious if Reggie Williams has a second, non-guaranteed year on his deal. Some sites say yes, but others don't.

Assuming yes, the Spurs can use both during the draft to take back as much as $7.5 Million. For example:

Spurs trade Mills and 26 to Washington for Webster, 19 and 49, then in a separate trade move Williams for Blair. The move saves the Wizards almost $10 Million while also giving them a good backup PG. Spurs get a decent shot at a top-15 talent falling to them while also getting a decent second (which they might be able to combine with 55 to get into the 40 range to pick another roster-caliber player). I don't know if Looney, Blair, Webster and Harrison is a better use of resources than Mills, Holmes a a few more million bucks would be. But I think it's up for debate.

Looking at this, I simply don't see anyone else on the roster who is really tradeable other than Patty. There is no Splitter replacement in draft outside the top 6 or in free agency outside Gasol. Diaw's value is relatively low since he has a bad history with fitting into locker rooms he doesn't like. After next season, he'll be a great asset, though. The rest of the guys are free agents, who don't have any value until July at the earliest and Anderson.

[TheGoldStandard]

Speaking of trading Splitter, found this random and likely unrealistic draft-night trade scenario:


First:
Wizards trade: Pick #19, Kris Humpries, Garrett Temple, 2018 & 2020 2nd round picks
for
Phoenix Suns: Archie Goodwin, TJ Warren, 2017 1st round pick (top 10 Protected), 2015 2nd round pick


From Wizards GM serdricacceus:


The Wizards need a little bit of youth and I'm assuming that Paul Pierce is leaving for LAC w/Doc. So I traded for a guy who can flat out score in Warren and an explosive rim player in Goodwin. Both of these guys still have room to grow as player but they can help grow the second unit as in the case for Goodwin, try to provide some relief for Beal as a backup.


Secondly:


Phoenix Suns trade: Pick #19, P.J. Tucker, Marcus Morris
for
San Antonio Spurs: Pick #26, Tiago Splitter


And with the 19th pick in the draft, GM ks10680 and the Spurs select:

19) Tyus Jones, PG from Duke

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From GM ks10680:
I've traded Splitter and my 25 pick for Marcus Morris and Pj Tucker and the 19 pick. The reason why I made the decision to trade Splitter and my 25 pick to move up in for the 19 pick was to pick a guy I feel that could easily replace Tony Parker in the future that guy is Tyus Jones. I feel very comfortable taking this guy in the draft because if there's one thing we the Spurs organization do best is win. As the Spurs gm, I saw what the freshman PG was all about in the National Championship so I had to move up and draft him. He's the guy I've been looking to replace Tony. Our future is looking bright and I can't wait to see what Jones can do in the NBA. I'm looking for Marcus Morris to be a valuable role player that could learn alot from Boris Diaw and P.J. Tucker to step in to possibly replace Marco Bellinelli if we can't re-sign him.

http://trove.com/a/2015-GBB-Community-Mock-Draft-Spurs-trade-into-Pick-%2319.lR6SR?utm_campaign=hosted&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=sns



Moving up 7 slots for splitter and then taking an undersized PG with a small frame and an average burst is not a good idea

[RD2191]

I'd only move Splitter if we could get into the top 10. Even then it would be high risk.

[raybies]

Turner as a splitter replacement? What if fell to 15? I doubt it but he might, I mean kawhi fell to 15. And reason I say 15 cause bud might like Splitter next Horford. Thoughts?

[BatManu20]

Here are the names I'm seeing most associated with the Spurs, via personal work outs & mocks:

NCAA's

1. Rashad Vaughn, SG UNLV
2. Montrezl Harrell, PF Louisville
3. Justin Anderson, SF UVA
4. Delon Wright, PG Utah
5. Anthony Brown, SF Stanford
6. J.P. Tokoto, UNC
7. Rakeem Christmas, PF Syracuse
8. Jordan Mickey, PF LSU

Euro's

1. Guillermo "Willy" Hernangomez, C
2. Cedi Osman, SF
3. Nikola Radicevic, PG
4. Janis Berzins, SF

[DPG21920]

As I've said before, I think the Spurs could get pretty high up in the draft by moving Mills/using cap space to take bad contracts. I sort of want them to go that route if Tim and Manu return. I'm also curious if Reggie Williams has a second, non-guaranteed year on his deal. Some sites say yes, but others don't.

Assuming yes, the Spurs can use both during the draft to take back as much as $7.5 Million. For example:

Spurs trade Mills and 26 to Washington for Webster, 19 and 49, then in a separate trade move Williams for Blair. The move saves the Wizards almost $10 Million while also giving them a good backup PG. Spurs get a decent shot at a top-15 talent falling to them while also getting a decent second (which they might be able to combine with 55 to get into the 40 range to pick another roster-caliber player). I don't know if Looney, Blair, Webster and Harrison is a better use of resources than Mills, Holmes a a few more million bucks would be. But I think it's up for debate.

Looking at this, I simply don't see anyone else on the roster who is really tradeable other than Patty. There is no Splitter replacement in draft outside the top 6 or in free agency outside Gasol. Diaw's value is relatively low since he has a bad history with fitting into locker rooms he doesn't like. After next season, he'll be a great asset, though. The rest of the guys are free agents, who don't have any value until July at the earliest and Anderson.

Would you trade Splitter for a lotter pick (or damn close) like ATL's if you knew you could sign Asik to replace Tiago?

[BatManu20]

PF Christian Wood, whose name I saw in many mocks going to the Spurs, is reportedly slipping down many draft boards after workouts. Draft Express dropped him from their 26th ranked prospect 2 weeks ago to number 41 this week.

[AFBlue]

Here are the names I'm seeing most associated with the Spurs, via personal work outs & mocks:

NCAA's

1. Rashad Vaughn, SG UNLV
2. Montrezl Harrell, PF Louisville
3. Justin Anderson, SF UVA
4. Delon Wright, PG Utah
5. Anthony Brown, SF Stanford
6. J.P. Tokoto, UNC
7. Rakeem Christmas, PF Syracuse
8. Jordan Mickey, PF LSU

Euro's

1. Guillermo "Willy" Hernangomez, C
2. Cedi Osman, SF
3. Nikola Radicevic, PG
4. Janis Berzins, SF

One other guy that has been mentioned in connection with the Spurs is Larry Nance Jr. They've also worked out Olivier Hanlan.

[BatManu20]

One other guy that has been mentioned in connection with the Spurs is Larry Nance Jr. They've also worked out Olivier Hanlan.

Yea they've worked out more players than who I mentioned, those are just the guys I've seen mentioned multiple times via mock drafts or work outs/interviews.

[AFBlue]

Yea they've worked out more players than who I mentioned, those are just the guys I've seen mentioned multiple times via mock drafts or work outs/interviews.

Can't recall the exact tweet, but there was one from Amico I think about teams in the late first being intrigued with Nance, especially the Spurs.

[TheGoldStandard]

Would you trade Splitter for a lotter pick (or damn close) like ATL's if you knew you could sign Asik to replace Tiago?

Nope Asik can't hit free throws and his pick n roll defense is suspect.

[TheGoldStandard]

I'd trade splitter to Sacramento though and paid him next to cousins for there pick in the lottery or try to move mills and 26 to get there pick.

[AFBlue]

The Hanlan thing was just because I feel like he's a Spurs-type pick (score first guard, international, nice size) and Ford said he was getting interest in the late first.

[Russ]

PF Christian Wood, whose name I saw in many mocks going to the Spurs, is reportedly slipping down many draft boards after workouts. Draft Express dropped him from their 26th ranked prospect 2 weeks ago to number 41 this week.

Excellent. Some guy named Kawhi kept slipping in the mocks (from about 6 to about 16) a few years ago. :)

[Ditty]

Wasn't Myles Turner considered a better prospect than Okafor coming out of high school? I'm a huge Splitter fan, but I would trade Splitter and the 26th pick for Turner in a heartbeat if it meant getting Aldridge and Asik, which would save us over $6 million if we acquired Myles Turner. Hopefully Spurs can poke someone's eye out like they did with Indiana :lol.

[baseline bum]

I don't think it's likely that Tiago is traded in the draft, but I could see it for the right offer if FA is the way to go for them. Spurs aren't stupid though - they won't take a risk with much of a downside unless they are confident.

FA is likely not the way the Spurs go - they will likely do a S&T if they end up moving Tiago for Gasol/LMA.

I think a sign and trade would have to be something like Splitter and Green for Aldridge. The reason I think so is the Spurs won't be able to sign Aldridge outright without renouncing Green, assuming Splitter is still on the roster. So LMA's agent could tell Portland the Spurs are willing to renounce Green to sign him, in which case Portland asks for him in sign and trade with Splitter. If the Spurs balk Portland knows they're bluffing.

[DPG21920]

I think a sign and trade would have to be something like Splitter and Green for Aldridge. The reason I think so is the Spurs won't be able to sign Aldridge outright without renouncing Green, assuming Splitter is still on the roster. So LMA's agent could tell Portland the Spurs are willing to renounce Green to sign him, in which case Portland asks for him in sign and trade with Splitter. If the Spurs balk Portland knows they're bluffing.

No way the Spurs do that IMO. Splitter, yes, but not both. If the Spurs can clear the cap space (by trading Splitter) to sign LA outright, POR won't have any leverage.

[TheGoldStandard]

No way the Spurs do that IMO. Splitter, yes, but not both. If the Spurs can clear the cap space (by trading Splitter) to sign LA outright, POR won't have any leverage.

Which I would suspect during the draft if at all..

[Uriel]

Can't recall the exact tweet, but there was one from Amico I think about teams in the late first being intrigued with Nance, especially the Spurs.
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[raybies]

Speaking of Christian Wood, I see him as a poor man's Anthony Davis. So incredibly raw. I just don't know if we are going for role players or swinging for the fences. I would hope we are not relying on free agency to save us, that doesn't really make sense. We are not a destination for free agents. We just aren't. Like non-destination teams, it's the draft and trades where we need to shine and have. If the Spurs don't go for a high upside player, I would think that's a sign that they have a good idea on where they stand in the market. Like many have said, what they do on draft night will indicate so much. If the Spurs don't know and plan to keep their plans open then i think we are just asking to be like what Houston was in last year's off season. I think we need to be decisive in our route. I expect there to be a Spurs trade on draft night. They set the bar the last time we were ousted in the first round. If there is a deal, they will do it. Even if it means letting go of a "favorite" or rotational player.

Houston got a potential lottery pick for Asik, so I would assume Splitter's value is around 15-20. Diaw is tricky cause he has had attitude problems with the wrong teams, so he would have to be dealt to a highly contending team like a Cleveland and I doubt that happens. So Diaw is likely not the guy. As for Patty, you could get a late first round pick for him but that would mean he's dealt to a really good Western Conference team basically. So his value is a high second round pick maybe and what lottery team needs a guy like Patty. Maybe a package with Splitter, but I don't see him moving. You can't really move Anderson, cause you don't know what you have yet. So maybe as trade filler, but I don't see the Spurs moving him.

One scenario i've been contemplating is Splitter and the 26th for the 15th pick if Turner falls. Hawks get Millsap insurance and a shot at getting a small forward for Demarre, while the Spurs get a stretch 5 that has rim protecting potential. I like how the Spurs cultivated Kawhi, maybe they can do it again. Or as mentioned maybe Phoenix might be interested.

We aren't really deep enough at center to not get one in return. And expecting to get a decent big in free agency is gonna cost money we don't have. Especially if Duncan and Ginobili return. I think if they are both returning Splitter is the guy that can be cashed in. Any value left in him?

Just some thoughts.

[TheGoldStandard]

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Seems like an okay kid, if only he could soar like his dad

[BatManu20]

Speaking of Christian Wood, I see him as a poor man's Anthony Davis.


More like an AIDS/herpes/bubonic plague infested homeless man's Anthony Davis, tbh.

[AFBlue]

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That's the one. Thanks!

[AFBlue]

I keep seeing this concept of Splitter for the 15th pick, but is Atlanta even in a position to absorb his contract? Putting aside whether a team would, I'm just wondering if Atlanta, or any mid-first round team for that matter could.

[Big P]

Indiana is looking at moving the #11...something based around Splitter and #26 plus a euro or another pick for Hibbert and the #11? Indiana hangs up the phone?

[RD2191]

Fuck no to Hibbert.

[Big P]

I know #11 is probably a little to high for Splitter, like AFB said, more realistically something around 14-16 is his value, but the only team I can think of would be Phoenix at #13.

[Big P]

Fuck no to Hibbert.

Hes an expiring contract and would give us huge cap room next summer. I'm not doing the trade for Hibbert, its for the #11, gotta give to get. We would be getting out of Splitters extra year.

[raybies]

I doubt Indiana let's us bend them over again.

[AFBlue]

Indiana is looking at moving the #11...something based around Splitter and #26 plus a euro or another pick for Hibbert and the #11? Indiana hangs up the phone?

I think the Pacers would take that deal. Getting out from under Hibbert's contract and getting a decent piece in return is probably worth the 11th pick.

Not sure the Spurs would make that offer though. They'd effectively be eating up cap space to go after Aldridge/Gasol and be settling for Hibbert before free agency even begins.

[DPG21920]

I keep seeing this concept of Splitter for the 15th pick, but is Atlanta even in a position to absorb his contract? Putting aside whether a team would, I'm just wondering if Atlanta, or any mid-first round team for that matter could.

Yes - ATL could (at least with relative ease if they wanted to)

[RD2191]

I doubt Indiana let's us bend them over again.
:lol

[TheGoldStandard]

:lol

Parker sleeps with Hibberts wife and has a renaissance season

[DPG21920]

I think the Pacers would take that deal. Getting out from under Hibbert's contract and getting a decent piece in return is probably worth the 11th pick.

Not sure the Spurs would make that offer though. They'd effectively be eating up cap space to go after Aldridge/Gasol and be settling for Hibbert before free agency even begins.

Splitter's contract is longer than Hibberts so they wouldn't really be getting out from Hibberts deal. Hibbert has a player option this year (very likely opts in), but Splitter's deal is an extra year. Splitter is definitely better than Hibbert, but I don't think he's so much better they would give a lottery pick just to swap them.

[AFBlue]

Yes - ATL could (at least with relative ease if they wanted to)

Thanks.

[RD2191]

Parker sleeps with Hibberts wife and has a renaissance season
:lmao

[cd021]

Sounds like Nance is a stretch 4 or a big 3, about 6'9 with a 7'2 wingspan and 37.5 max vert.

DX has him at 56 to NOP (updated today)

[BatManu20]

All the above trade scenarios are unrealistic, imo. I don't think a team is going to trade a Top-15 pick in a good draft for a 30-year old Splitter who's still owed almost $17 Million, tbh. Unless the spurs take on a horrendous contract in the process, I just don't see it. The aforementioned Pacers option is the only semi-realistic option to me. Hibbert's contract, while only 1-year, is still a bad one to take on because he's owed almost $16 Million. But, I'm almost certain the Spurs aren't going to sign either Aldridge or Gasol, so that might be a decent option if the opportunity presented itself. I still don't think the Pacers would do it, because the #11 pick holds a lot of value in this draft, and a 30-year old Splitter doesn't fit what the Pacers are trying to do, which is play a more uptempo, up-and-down style of basketball.

[TheGoldStandard]

Sounds like Nance is a stretch 4 or a big 3, about 6'9 with a 7'2 wingspan and 37.5 max vert.

DX has him at 56 to NOP (updated today)

Didnt watch any Wyoming this season but he sounds like he would give everything for a shot.

[BatManu20]

This would be great, because he's not currently projected to go in the top-25 of most mock drafts, so him going in the teens or early 20's would push another higher-rated player down to us.


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[DPG21920]

Pretty amazing quote by Dirk:

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Speaking of Tyson Chandler, would people feel comfortable moving Tiago if Spurs could land Tyson in FA to replace him?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Speaking of Tyson Chandler, would people feel comfortable moving Tiago if Spurs could land Tyson in FA to replace him?

Definitely. I'm not sure how that would work with acquiring a big free agent, but Chandler always struck me as someone who could fit right in at Splitter's role.

[palangi]

I'd like to see us trade splitter and deshaun thomas to boston for picks 28 and 35.

Then draft

1. Rashaun Vaughn 6'5" SG- can replace Belinelli the first year as a third SG. At only 18 he might still grow some too. Very good offensively and willing defender.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Rashad-Vaughn-71472/

1. Nikola Milutinov 7' C- another young (20) player to develop. Has good size and athleticism. Can back up center with Baynes.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nikola-Milutinov-7116/

2. Olivier Hanlan 6'4" PG- an intriguing PG prospect out of BC. Can be the '3rd guy behind Parker and mills.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Olivier-Hanlan-47653/

2. Stash prospect

FA
lamarcus Aldridge with splitter off the books and green not resigned we can throw money at him. I also think Manu comes back at a reduced price.

Alexy Shved a Manu type player. A SG that can handle the ball and run the offense. I think he starts the first year. Then gives way to Vaughan and takes ginobli spot off the bench.



PG- Parker, Mills, Hanlan
SG- Shved, Manu, Vaughan
SF- Leonard, Anderson
PF- Aldridge, Diaw, livio
C- Duncan, Baynes, Milutinov

[TheGoldStandard]

I'd like to see us trade splitter and deshaun thomas to boston for picks 28 and 35.

Then draft

1. Rashaun Vaughn 6'5" SG- can replace Belinelli the first year as a third SG. At only 18 he might still grow some too. Very good offensively and willing defender.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Rashad-Vaughn-71472/

1. Nikola Milutinov 7' C- another young (20) player to develop. Has good size and athleticism. Can back up center with Baynes.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nikola-Milutinov-7116/

2. Olivier Hanlan 6'4" PG- an intriguing PG prospect out of BC. Can be the '3rd guy behind Parker and mills.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Olivier-Hanlan-47653/

2. Stash prospect

FA
lamarcus Aldridge with splitter off the books and green not resigned we can throw money at him. I also think Manu comes back at a reduced price.

Alexy Shved a Manu type player. A SG that can handle the ball and run the offense. I think he starts the first year. Then gives way to Vaughan and takes ginobli spot off the bench.



PG- Parker, Mills, Hanlan
SG- Shved, Manu, Vaughan
SF- Leonard, Anderson
PF- Aldridge, Diaw, livio
C- Duncan, Baynes, Milutinov


So Leonard is going to have to cover 3 spots on defense to make up for shved and Parker not being defensive players?

[Sean Cagney]

Fuck no to Hibbert.

Times ten.......

[palangi]

So Leonard is going to have to cover 3 spots on defense to make up for shved and Parker not being defensive players?
Sure?

[Big P]

Pretty amazing quote by Dirk:

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Speaking of Tyson Chandler, would people feel comfortable moving Tiago if Spurs could land Tyson in FA to replace him?

Chandler is looking at getting a 3 year $36 mil deal, I doubt the Spurs would go that high or that many years.

[raybies]

I'd like to see us trade splitter and deshaun thomas to boston for picks 28 and 35.

Then draft

1. Rashaun Vaughn 6'5" SG- can replace Belinelli the first year as a third SG. At only 18 he might still grow some too. Very good offensively and willing defender.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Rashad-Vaughn-71472/

1. Nikola Milutinov 7' C- another young (20) player to develop. Has good size and athleticism. Can back up center with Baynes.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nikola-Milutinov-7116/

2. Olivier Hanlan 6'4" PG- an intriguing PG prospect out of BC. Can be the '3rd guy behind Parker and mills.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Olivier-Hanlan-47653/

2. Stash prospect

FA
lamarcus Aldridge with splitter off the books and green not resigned we can throw money at him. I also think Manu comes back at a reduced price.

Alexy Shved a Manu type player. A SG that can handle the ball and run the offense. I think he starts the first year. Then gives way to Vaughan and takes ginobli spot off the bench.



PG- Parker, Mills, Hanlan
SG- Shved, Manu, Vaughan
SF- Leonard, Anderson
PF- Aldridge, Diaw, livio
C- Duncan, Baynes, Milutinov

I'm not gonna lie, i like the end result kind of. While I think we could get more for splitter than the 28th pick and 35th. Maybe their 16th pick instead. That would put us in position to catch a talent that falls. I just wonder, who might the Spurs be interested in that might fall, cause I believe for the right price we would give up Splitter. I just think we would have to get a big in return. That would be a bold move. Two picks for Splitter. They would be swinging for the fences and hoping to land Aldridge. I like it.

Speaking of names of people that might fall in the draft, here's my names to watch:
Oubre
Dekker
Tyus Jones
Looney

These guys might not fall to 26, some obviously...
Now if these guys fell out of the lottery would they be worth trading up for?
Kaminsky
Turner
Lyles

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs either keep 26 or trade down to early 2nd round.

Aldridge doesn't come here Spurs will keep Green.. Starting lineup Parker, Green, Kawhi, Tim, Tiago..
Manu, Mills, Diaw, Joseph, Either Corey Brewer or a recently bought out Matt Barnes for the backup wing, Anderson, Baynes

Spurs target Anderson, Nance Jr. , Holmes to fill out the 13th roster spot and they spend most of the season in Austin with the occasional call up

Maybe Speights if GS lets him walk or Bargnani for a stretch 4 (bonners role)

[TheGoldStandard]

Sure?

I just meant to say that although the lineup would be okay offensively the defensive pressure on Leonard to cover up for all the defensive holes would be bad for him. Green and Leonard are a solid defensive back court.

[RD2191]

I'd like to see us trade splitter and deshaun thomas to boston for picks 28 and 35.

Then draft

1. Rashaun Vaughn 6'5" SG- can replace Belinelli the first year as a third SG. At only 18 he might still grow some too. Very good offensively and willing defender.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Rashad-Vaughn-71472/

1. Nikola Milutinov 7' C- another young (20) player to develop. Has good size and athleticism. Can back up center with Baynes.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nikola-Milutinov-7116/

2. Olivier Hanlan 6'4" PG- an intriguing PG prospect out of BC. Can be the '3rd guy behind Parker and mills.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Olivier-Hanlan-47653/

2. Stash prospect

FA
lamarcus Aldridge with splitter off the books and green not resigned we can throw money at him. I also think Manu comes back at a reduced price.

Alexy Shved a Manu type player. A SG that can handle the ball and run the offense. I think he starts the first year. Then gives way to Vaughan and takes ginobli spot off the bench.



PG- Parker, Mills, Hanlan
SG- Shved, Manu, Vaughan
SF- Leonard, Anderson
PF- Aldridge, Diaw, livio
C- Duncan, Baynes, Milutinov
No, just no. I mean unless you want to keep losing in the 1st round then go ahead but that is nowhere near a title team. Green and Splitter are crucial to the Spurs success.

[TheGoldStandard]

I'm not gonna lie, i like the end result kind of. While I think we could get more for splitter than the 28th pick and 35th. Maybe their 16th pick instead. That would put us in position to catch a talent that falls. I just wonder, who might the Spurs be interested in that might fall, cause I believe for the right price we would give up Splitter. I just think we would have to get a big in return. That would be a bold move. Two picks for Splitter. They would be swinging for the fences and hoping to land Aldridge. I like it.

Speaking of names of people that might fall in the draft, here's my names to watch:
Oubre
Dekker
Tyus Jones
Looney

These guys might not fall to 26, some obviously...
Now if these guys fell out of the lottery would they be worth trading up for?
Kaminsky
Turner
Lyles

Turner, that's about it.

[palangi]

No, just no. I mean unless you want to keep losing in the 1st round then go ahead but that is nowhere near a title team. Green and Splitter are crucial to the Spurs success.
Ok?

[raybies]

Spurs either keep 26 or trade down to early 2nd round.

Aldridge doesn't come here Spurs will keep Green.. Starting lineup Parker, Green, Kawhi, Tim, Tiago..
Manu, Mills, Diaw, Joseph, Either Corey Brewer or a recently bought out Matt Barnes for the backup wing, Anderson, Baynes

Spurs target Anderson, Nance Jr. , Holmes to fill out the 13th roster spot and they spend most of the season in Austin with the occasional call up

Maybe Speights if GS lets him walk or Bargnani for a stretch 4 (bonners role)

Yes that's what i would guess too, but Pop said they were gonna make changes. My interpretation of that is: there's gonna be some key guys gone or traded.

[RD2191]

Ok?
Ok

[palangi]

I just meant to say that although the lineup would be okay offensively the defensive pressure on Leonard to cover up for all the defensive holes would be bad for him. Green and Leonard are a solid defensive back court.
I can see that. Year 2 though I would have Vaughan in the starting lineup. And I wonder how much emphasis was put on defense when Shved was in Minnesota and New York?

[raybies]

No, just no. I mean unless you want to keep losing in the 1st round then go ahead but that is nowhere near a title team. Green and Splitter are crucial to the Spurs success.
Maybe a better starting two-guard and some insurance at the 3?

[TheGoldStandard]

Yes that's what i would guess too, but Pop said they were gonna make changes. My interpretation of that is: there's gonna be some key guys gone or traded.

Marco, Ayres and Bonner are gone, to Pop those are big changes.. Parker plays 25 minutes instead of 28 in the regular season, Tim's not playing back to backs like this past season. Anderson sniffs the court in real rotations. Pop let's Mills or Joseph actually run point occasionally for the 2nd unit.

[RD2191]

Maybe a better starting two-guard and some insurance at the 3?
Hopefully the spurs can re sign green. Finding a 2 guard who can have the impact danny has on both ends will be difficult.

[raybies]

Marco, Ayres and Bonner are gone, to Pop those are big changes.. Parker plays 25 minutes instead of 28 in the regular season, Tim's not playing back to backs like this past season. Anderson sniffs the court in real rotations. Pop let's Mills or Joseph actually run point occasionally for the 2nd unit.
:lol

[palangi]

Hopefully the spurs can re sign green. Finding a 2 guard who can have the impact danny has on both ends will be difficult.
Yep, because he is irreplaceable?

[TheGoldStandard]

I can see that. Year 2 though I would have Vaughan in the starting lineup. And I wonder how much emphasis was put on defense when Shved was in Minnesota and New York?

This is true but Shved would have to tack on some bulk to that frame.

[raybies]

Hopefully the spurs can re sign green. Finding a 2 guard who can have the impact danny has on both ends will be difficult.

That's why I really like JP Tokoto. If his work on his shot pays off he could be the next Green. IMO

Palangi

1Rashad Vaughn
1Hernangomez
2JP Tokoto
2 ???

Fixed

Also, I've been thinking, and Erazem Lorbek could be an option if we need a big on the cheap. Last I heard, he wanted to come over. I wonder what he is up to

[Sean Cagney]

Hopefully the spurs can re sign green. Finding a 2 guard who can have the impact danny has on both ends will be difficult.

That shit will suck if he bolts and they don't get shit in return after that, will be a huge blow to the team. Those who doubt him will not doubt him if that happens, they will fall off significantly against certain teams without DG.

[RD2191]

Yep, because he is irreplaceable?
Just about. Defense is rare in todays league. Shved at the 2? Come on. That would leave us with 1 great defender in Kawhi and a good defender in tim. Lma, shved, and parker are all liabilities on defense. Not enough to get it done. Kawhi would be exhausted like he was in the Clippers series.

[TheGoldStandard]

Yep, because he is irreplaceable?

This season he would be. No UFA that fit that mold are going to be considerably cheaper. Maybe Wes Matthews but not by much

[palangi]

This is true but Shved would have to tack on some bulk to that frame.
Bulk is a little overrated in basketball. Tayshon prince was a very good defender and wasn't very big. At 6'6"" and good athleticism I think he would be just fine.

[TheGoldStandard]

That's why I really like JP Tokoto. If his work on his shot pays off he could be the next Green. IMO

Palangi

1Rashad Vaughn
1Hernangomez
2JP Tokoto
2 ???

Fixed

Also, I've been thinking, and Erazem Lorbek could be an option if we need a big on the cheap. Last I heard, he wanted to come over. I wonder what he is up to

I'd be all in for a Tokoto if we were able to keep Green. Tokoto will need at least 2 seasons to be a true asset to the team and by then Manu and Tim will be done and Parkers game will have fallen off even more. The offense could look insanely different.

[TheGoldStandard]

Bulk is a little overrated in basketball. Tayshon prince was a very good defender and wasn't very big. At 6'6"" and good athleticism I think he would be just fine.

Shved can't be more than a buck eighty. Very wiry with small shoulders. He can't stay healthy because of the contact and thin frame.

[palangi]

That's why I really like JP Tokoto. If his work on his shot pays off he could be the next Green. IMO

Palangi

1Rashad Vaughn
1Hernangomez
2JP Tokoto
2 ???

Fixed

Also, I've been thinking, and Erazem Lorbek could be an option if we need a big on the cheap. Last I heard, he wanted to come over. I wonder what he is up to
Instead of tokoto ( I like the Hanlan kid as a PG for the future) maybe take Qualls at 55. He just tore his ACL doing work outs but maybe let him recover and come back. He is a very good defender with great athleticism and a 7'+ wingspan on a 6'5" frame.

[palangi]

Just about. Defense is rare in todays league. Shved at the 2? Come on. That would leave us with 1 great defender in Kawhi and a good defender in tim. Lma, shved, and parker are all liabilities on defense. Not enough to get it done. Kawhi would be exhausted like he was in the Clippers series.
Ok?

[palangi]

Just about. Defense is rare in todays league. Shved at the 2? Come on. That would leave us with 1 great defender in Kawhi and a good defender in tim. Lma, shved, and parker are all liabilities on defense. Not enough to get it done. Kawhi would be exhausted like he was in the Clippers series.
Curry and thompson aren't very good defenders and Barnes is soft. I wonder how the warriors did this year?

[RD2191]

Curry and thompson aren't very good defenders and Barnes is soft. I wonder how the warriors did this year?
It's time for you to go to bed.

[TheGoldStandard]

Curry and thompson aren't very good defenders and Barnes is soft. I wonder how the warriors did this year?

Thompson is an above average defender and Curry can usually hide on someone for defensive liability issues but he's a menace on the weak side coming over to help. They funnel a lot of their defensive schemes into Bogut and Draymond and they scramble on defense. It also doesn't hurt that they score a ton of points so the other teams are always playing catchup and forcing the issue.

[palangi]

Thompson is an above average defender and Curry can usually hide on someone for defensive liability issues but he's a menace on the weak side coming over to help. They funnel a lot of their defensive schemes into Bogut and Draymond and they scramble on defense. It also doesn't hurt that they score a ton of points so the other teams are always playing catchup and forcing the issue.
No way thompson is above average. I would say curry is a better defender than thompson.

i think that LA will be a very good weak side defender. And we can tunnel much of the defense to Timmy and Kawhi. And by the way Shved does play the passing lanes fairly well.

[palangi]

It's time for you to go to bed.
Oh so sad

[raybies]

https://youtu.be/A8YXHyWp2b8
Tell me you wouldn't want this guy on your team if he had a corner 3? I'm starting to hope the Spurs trade down to the second round. Get a couple picks maybe on non-guaranteed deals at the minimum. Makes sense in keeping the cap clear too. They could wait to sign the picks after they take a shot at LA or Gasol.

[palangi]

https://youtu.be/A8YXHyWp2b8
Tell me you wouldn't want this guy on your team if he had a corner 3? I'm starting to hope the Spurs trade down to the second round. Get a couple picks maybe on non-guaranteed deals at the minimum. Makes sense in keeping the cap clear too. They could wait to sign the picks after they take a shot at LA or Gasol.
I like the kid. I think he will be a better Danny green eventually. Once he gets his shot down. But he can finish at the rim and dribble. I wouldn't mind him or Vaughan at 26.

[raybies]

Minnesota 31 & 36
Philadelphia 35 & 37
Boston 33 & 45

If the Spurs trade down... teams to watch

[palangi]

Minnesota 31 & 36
Philadelphia 35 & 37
Boston 33 & 45

If the Spurs trade down... teams to watch

I wonder if we could get one of those spots by trading cash considerations?

[Chinook]

Yeah, no way the Warriors have good defensive players...

Is this real life?

I actually don't think the Splitter trade is that bad, but that's about the only thing to like.

[palangi]

Yeah, no way the Warriors have good defensive players...

Is this real life?

I actually don't think the Splitter trade is that bad, but that's about the only thing to like.

Wow didn't say all that. I think draymond, bogut, and iggy are very good defenders. But come on with curry, thompson, and Barnes.

It's funny how done here make more of what is written. So many looking to get offended our think they know it all.

[TheGoldStandard]

I wonder if we could get one of those spots by trading cash considerations?

More than likely it would cost #26 and cash considerations but that's only if either of those teams think there is someone worth taking in the 1st round. I could see Philly maybe doing that or Boston but that's a long shot

[RD2191]

I convinced palangi doesn't watch basketball.

[palangi]

I convinced palangi doesn't watch basketball.

Impressive.

[Chinook]

Wow didn't say all that. I think draymond, bogut, and iggy are very good defenders. But come on with curry, thompson, and Barnes.

Thompson is overrated by the national media but underrated on Spurstalk. He's a fine defender, just not as good as Green. More importantly, the Spurs in your scenario end up with only Duncan and Leonard as defensive players. You'll see Tim's numbers collapse without Tiago next to him or Green helping Leonard in front of him. Kawhi's supposed to get more offensive responsibility, but you force him to be the only plus defender on the perimeter. The Spurs drop 15 spots in defensive rankings after this trade, and their offense would only very mildly improve. Swapping out Green for Shved makes Kawhi the tertiary ball handler (of just the starting lineup) and the tertiary post option. How does that make any sense?

[palangi]

Thompson is overrated by the national media but underrated on Spurstalk. He's a fine defender, just not as good as Green. More importantly, the Spurs in your scenario end up with only Duncan and Leonard as defensive players. You'll see Tim's numbers collapse without Tiago next to him or Green helping Leonard in front of him. Kawhi's supposed to get more offensive responsibility, but you force him to be the only plus defender on the perimeter. The Spurs drop 15 spots in defensive rankings after this trade, and their offense would only very mildly improve. Swapping out Green for Shved makes Kawhi the tertiary ball handler (of just the starting lineup) and the tertiary post option. How does that make any sense?

Well if kawhi wants to be a max player then he steps his game up? It's not like shved is the only one kawhi will play with. Manu still gets minutes. And Vaughan would as well.

Splitter and green are vastly overrated by this board. Green bombed out when he left us. Like I said in the initial post I see shved as a Manu to type player and in year two I see him with the second until helping the offense run and Vaughan getting into the starting line-up. But with Aldridge here Timmy can focus a lot more on defense. Aldridge takes a big scoring weight off Timmy shoulder. something splitter can't do.
Also like I have said I wouldn't mind tokoto either. And I think he could step in day one and help defensively. I also think shved would show more in the spurs defensive scheme style. Maybe not as lockdown as green for sure. But he also won't cost 10 million which I think is throwing money away on green.

[Chinook]

Let's just go through this point by point:


Well if kawhi wants to be a max player then he steps his game up?

Yeah, no. You don't take away a bunch of help from your young "star" and then tell him that he just needs to carry more. Not if you're trying to have a good team. It's frankly stupid to make Leonard the only competent defender on the perimeter. You'd think that your reference and defense of Golden State would mean you'd realize that.


It's not like shved is the only one kawhi will play with. Manu still gets minutes. And Vaughan would as well.

All those are reasons why it's a BAD idea, not why it's a good one. At best, only Vaughn would be able to actually excel off the ball next to Leonard. Manu and Shved are ball-handlers, which means if they are playing the way they need to, then Kawhi isn't getting his touches. And if you go, "Well they can play off the ball then," it kinda defeats the purpose of downgrading defense and shooting for play-making.


Splitter and green are vastly overrated by this board.

Because you say so? There are just too many metrics to show that both are elite, and watching games should tell you that. But then again, you're lobbying for Shved, so I'm not surprised to feel that you're not really looking at things correctly.


Green bombed out when he left us.

WTF?


Like I said in the initial post I see shved as a Manu to type player and in year two I see him with the second until helping the offense run and Vaughan getting into the starting line-up.

Shved ISN'T a Manu-type player. The dude's been in the league for a couple years already and has been mediocre on his good days. Banking on him being that guy is silly. Also him doing his thing in the SL actually hurts the team, not helps it. Parker will demand his touches; Aldridge will demand his. Kawhi should get his, and Tim will get his. Why do you want someone to "be Manu" with that lineup? I like Vaughn decently enough. I think he fits in well on the bench. But there's no particular reason why he's going to be this awesome starter in the league. Especially not after just a year.


But with Aldridge here Timmy can focus a lot more on defense. Aldridge takes a big scoring weight off Timmy shoulder. something splitter can't do.

Lol, it's not about Duncan's focus; he's literally just not a very good defender in space anymore. He isn't getting to his rotation spot if it's not 10 feet away or less. He's not hedging on PnRs. He's not recovering onto shooters. The only reason why this isn't obvious to the world is because playing with the Medium Three dramatically shrinks the area of the court he's responsible for. Tim's probably still the best defender in the league in a phone booth. The Spurs' current defensive personnel is what allows him to play that way.

As far as offense goes, Kawhi should be taking those touches in addition to Aldridge. The Spurs only have to move/lose one of Splitter, Green, Mills or Diaw to afford Aldridge. You are trying to move the former two to bring back Tim and Manu. But especially bringing back Manu for anything other than the minimum will just kill the team's ability to field a championship-caliber roster using cap space. They'd be much better off using the MLE and trades to get a couple more rotation-caliber guys rather than trying for LMA.


Also like I have said I wouldn't mind tokoto either. And I think he could step in day one and help defensively. I also think shved would show more in the spurs defensive scheme style. Maybe not as lockdown as green for sure. But he also won't cost 10 million which I think is throwing money away on green.

Green and Leonard MAKE the Spurs' defensive scheme. They're the guys who allow the team to match up with any team. Green's worth his contract, especially considering he only counts for at most like $7 Million against the cap no matter how much he signs for. Shved getting even $4 Million a year only frees up $3 Million in space. Especially considering Manu would take up all that space on his own.

I think you should step back, run the math on the roster you want and come back. It's not much cheaper than what's already here, and it's almost certainly not better. You're relying on a collection of rookies and middling players to equal what is a proven championship roster. Why? Why ANY of it? How are the Spurs even slightly better than they are now? How are they better in the foreseeable future, given that they only guys you have losing are player who are in their primes?

[kobyz]

Can we trade Pop for a second round pick? Need to get rid of that arrogant old shit who so called a good coach...

[Russ]

611250278847778816

He's . . .

Very . . .

Slow . . .

[palangi]

Let's just go through this point by point:



Yeah, no. You don't take away a bunch of help from your young "star" and then tell him that he just needs to carry more. Not if you're trying to have a good team. It's frankly stupid to make Leonard the only competent defender on the perimeter. You'd think that your reference and defense of Golden State would mean you'd realize that.



All those are reasons why it's a BAD idea, not why it's a good one. At best, only Vaughn would be able to actually excel off the ball next to Leonard. Manu and Shved are ball-handlers, which means if they are playing the way they need to, then Kawhi isn't getting his touches. And if you go, "Well they can play off the ball then," it kinda defeats the purpose of downgrading defense and shooting for play-making.



Because you say so? There are just too many metrics to show that both are elite, and watching games should tell you that. But then again, you're lobbying for Shved, so I'm not surprised to feel that you're not really looking at things correctly.



WTF?



Shved ISN'T a Manu-type player. The dude's been in the league for a couple years already and has been mediocre on his good days. Banking on him being that guy is silly. Also him doing his thing in the SL actually hurts the team, not helps it. Parker will demand his touches; Aldridge will demand his. Kawhi should get his, and Tim will get his. Why do you want someone to "be Manu" with that lineup? I like Vaughn decently enough. I think he fits in well on the bench. But there's no particular reason why he's going to be this awesome starter in the league. Especially not after just a year.



Lol, it's not about Duncan's focus; he's literally just not a very good defender in space anymore. He isn't getting to his rotation spot if it's not 10 feet away or less. He's not hedging on PnRs. He's not recovering onto shooters. The only reason why this isn't obvious to the world is because playing with the Medium Three dramatically shrinks the area of the court he's responsible for. Tim's probably still the best defender in the league in a phone booth. The Spurs' current defensive personnel is what allows him to play that way.

As far as offense goes, Kawhi should be taking those touches in addition to Aldridge. The Spurs only have to move/lose one of Splitter, Green, Mills or Diaw to afford Aldridge. You are trying to move the former two to bring back Tim and Manu. But especially bringing back Manu for anything other than the minimum will just kill the team's ability to field a championship-caliber roster using cap space. They'd be much better off using the MLE and trades to get a couple more rotation-caliber guys rather than trying for LMA.



Green and Leonard MAKE the Spurs' defensive scheme. They're the guys who allow the team to match up with any team. Green's worth his contract, especially considering he only counts for at most like $7 Million against the cap no matter how much he signs for. Shved getting even $4 Million a year only frees up $3 Million in space. Especially considering Manu would take up all that space on his own.

I think you should step back, run the math on the roster you want and come back. It's not much cheaper than what's already here, and it's almost certainly not better. You're relying on a collection of rookies and middling players to equal what is a proven championship roster. Why? Why ANY of it? How are the Spurs even slightly better than they are now? How are they better in the foreseeable future, given that they only guys you have losing are player who are in their primes?
All opinion...all arguable back at you. Definitely not worth it. Thanks for playing though.

[tholdren]

Thompson is overrated by the national media but underrated on Spurstalk. He's a fine defender, just not as good as Green. More importantly, the Spurs in your scenario end up with only Duncan and Leonard as defensive players. You'll see Tim's numbers collapse without Tiago next to him or Green helping Leonard in front of him. Kawhi's supposed to get more offensive responsibility, but you force him to be the only plus defender on the perimeter. The Spurs drop 15 spots in defensive rankings after this trade, and their offense would only very mildly improve. Swapping out Green for Shved makes Kawhi the tertiary ball handler (of just the starting lineup) and the tertiary post option. How does that make any sense?

right, because tim was terrible defensively in this years POs

[Chinook]

All opinion...all arguable back at you. Definitely not worth it. Thanks for playing though.

Yeah, no. It's not my opinion that Green DIDN'T suck when he left the Spurs. He hasn't left them (yet). It's also not my opinion that Green and Splitter put up elite defensive metrics. Is it my opinion that Shved's been a poor player in the NBA and that Vaughn and Tokoto haven't played a game in the league yet? Not really.

I'm not saying that what I am saying isn't arguable. You're the one going into a turtle because you don't want to defend your view. You want to sit back on your haunches and think your arguments are as good as everyone else's? Go ahead. But don't act butt-hurt just because someone took the time to explain to you in detail why they think you're wrong.

[Chinook]

right, because tim was terrible defensively in this years POs

He didn't really guard anyone for the most part. Plus, last time I checked, the Medium Three played (though Splitter was at like 50 percent). Tim sure was awful defensively for most of the the championship run, though. Dallas straight destroyed him over and over.

[Russ]

right, because tim was terrible defensively in this years POs

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[AFBlue]

He's . . .

Very . . .

Slow . . .

Who, Amico? Because by all accounts, Nance Jr. is an above average athlete.

[Russ]

Who, Amico? Because by all accounts, Nance Jr. is an above average athlete.

Nance makes Kyle Anderson look like Iverson.

He makes Chris Carrawell look like Archibald.

If he goes anywhere close to the first round, I pledge to forsake all my fanduel points (forever).

[AFBlue]

Nance makes Kyle Anderson look like Iverson.

He makes Chris Carrawell look like Archibald.

If he goes anywhere close to the first round, I pledge to forsake all my fanduel points (forever).

From his Draft Express profile, written two days ago...


From a physical perspective, it is easy to see why. Standing 6'9 with a 7'2 wingspan and a solid 227-pound frame, Nance has excellent size for the power forward position. He is also a very good athlete – quick, mobile, and explosive – and he wasted little time in regaining his reputation as one of the nation's top dunkers after tearing his ACL in February of 2014.

[DJR210]

Yep, because he is irreplaceable?

Not because he's irreplaceable, but how long do you think this Duncan window is gonna stay open? Will take some time to find someone that's gonna come in and play the same role as Danny on both ends.

[palangi]

He didn't really guard anyone for the most part. Plus, last time I checked, the Medium Three played (though Splitter was at like 50 percent). Tim sure was awful defensively for most of the the championship run, though. Dallas straight destroyed him over and over.

Oh boy...more opinion passed as fact.

[palangi]

Not because he's irreplaceable, but how long do you think this Duncan window is gonna stay open? Will take some time to find someone that's gonna come in and play the same role as Danny on both ends.

I get that. But paying him $10 million isn't worth it, no matter what. And this is what makes him replaceable.

[Russ]

From his Draft Express profile, written two days ago...

Not to belabor this, but I just don't see this guy as an athlete.

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[AFBlue]

Not to belabor this, but I just don't see this guy as an athlete.

ekLSTkmFMlU

To belabor it, his lane agility, shuttle run and 3/4 sprint times were either the best or among the best for his position at the combine.

[Russ]

To belabor it, his lane agility, shuttle run and 3/4 sprint times were either the best or among the best for his position at the combine.

To belabor it more, time will tell. :)

[AFBlue]

To belabor it more, time will tell. :)

:lol

[exstatic]

Wow didn't say all that. I think draymond, bogut, and iggy are very good defenders. But come on with curry, thompson, and Barnes.

It's funny how done here make more of what is written. So many looking to get offended our think they know it all.

Of all the players you named, only Curry is sub-standard. Thompson is VERY good.

[Chinook]

Oh boy...more opinion passed as fact.

Yeah, no. Nothing I said was my opinion at this point, you're acting like a sore loser. You're sitting in the middle of the field bawling your eyes out because the other kids wouldn't let you win. It's petulant. Pick yourself up, bro.

[RD2191]

Yeah, no. Nothing I said was my opinion at this point, you're acting like a sore loser. You're sitting in the middle of the field bawling your eyes out because the other kids wouldn't let you win. It's petulant. Pick yourself up, bro.
:lolI like how palangi acts like he schooled you after you tore him a new asshole.

[palangi]

Of all the players you named, only Curry is sub-standard. Thompson is VERY good.

False.

[palangi]

:lolI like how palangi acts like he schooled you after you tore him a new asshole.

Oh how cute. Now you can get your lips off his cock.

[palangi]

Yeah, no. Nothing I said was my opinion at this point, you're acting like a sore loser. You're sitting in the middle of the field bawling your eyes out because the other kids wouldn't let you win. It's petulant. Pick yourself up, bro.

Not crying at all. I just find it funny you think your opinion is fact. You have a very good opinion, but it is still opinion. Even if your girlfriend robdiaz wants to blow you for it.

[RD2191]

Oh how cute. Now you can get your lips off his cock.


Not crying at all. I just find it funny you think your opinion is fact. You have a very good opinion, but it is still opinion. Even if your girlfriend robdiaz wants to blow you for it.
Lmao. You know you're getting shit on when all you have left is personal attacks. Don't be mad because your basketball takes are shit. Shved crofl.

[Chinook]

Not crying at all. I just find it funny you think your opinion is fact. You have a very good opinion, but it is still opinion. Even if your girlfriend robdiaz wants to blow you for it.

Yes, you're crying, and it's completely absurd. It's an opinion that Green and Splitter are good defenders; it's a FACT that they put up elite defensive numbers. It's also a fact that Green hasn't performed poorly since leaving the Spurs. This issue is that you sound like a fool for not knowing the difference between fact and opinion and exposing that foolishness in this thread. You gave opinions, with which no one agrees and which you have NOT even tried to support. Your whole argument is that anything I say is as good as what you say because they're both opinions. But that's silly, because I actually supported my opinions with facts and analysis. You can totally do that instead of continuing to act petulant if you want. I'll totally be willing to engage you.

[BatManu20]

Here are the names I'm seeing most associated with the Spurs, via personal work outs & mocks:

NCAA's

1. Rashad Vaughn, SG UNLV
2. Montrezl Harrell, PF Louisville
3. Justin Anderson, SF UVA
4. Delon Wright, PG Utah
5. Anthony Brown, SF Stanford
6. J.P. Tokoto, UNC
7. Rakeem Christmas, PF Syracuse
8. Jordan Mickey, PF LSU

Euro's

1. Guillermo "Willy" Hernangomez, C
2. Cedi Osman, SF
3. Nikola Radicevic, PG
4. Janis Berzins, SF

Add Nikola Milutinovic to this list. He's surgin a bit right now up draft boards. Doesn't turn 21 until December 30th. He's a 7'0, 220 lb C from Serbia. Decent athlete w/ 7'3 wingspan. Runs the floor well. I'm intrigued. Most likely a draft-and-stash though.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gx1pD3bHrk



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmseN0mXVWQ

[Chinook]

Again, just too many good big-man prospects to not get one. Just too damned many.

[palangi]

Lmao. You know you're getting shit on when all you have left is personal attacks. Don't be mad because your basketball takes are shit. Shved crofl.

No I just thought you were acting so cute.

[TD 21]

Thompson is overrated by the national media but underrated on Spurstalk. He's a fine defender, just not as good as Green. More importantly, the Spurs in your scenario end up with only Duncan and Leonard as defensive players. You'll see Tim's numbers collapse without Tiago next to him or Green helping Leonard in front of him. Kawhi's supposed to get more offensive responsibility, but you force him to be the only plus defender on the perimeter. The Spurs drop 15 spots in defensive rankings after this trade, and their offense would only very mildly improve. Swapping out Green for Shved makes Kawhi the tertiary ball handler (of just the starting lineup) and the tertiary post option. How does that make any sense?

Splitter is a very good all around defender, but the notion that he's propping up Duncan, is ridiculous. Part of the reason why he appears so indispensable, is because of the lack of another big that's anything better than adequate defensively. Give this team Aldridge, who fits the mold (not the all around defender Splitter is, but a decent one) and a decent backup center and I'm confident they'd remain among the elite.

They were for the first few months without Splitter. Sure, the sample size wasn't huge, but it wasn't small either. Griffin destroyed them, but he's also the 2nd best PF in the game.

[Chinook]

Splitter is a very good all around defender, but the notion that he's propping up Duncan, is ridiculous. Part of the reason why he appears so indispensable, is because of the lack of another big that's anything better than adequate defensively. Give this team Aldridge, who fits the mold (not the all around defender Splitter is, but a decent one) and a decent backup center and I'm confident they'd remain among the elite.

They were for the first few months without Splitter. Sure, the sample size wasn't huge, but it wasn't small either. Griffin destroyed them, but he's also the 2nd best PF in the game.

Splitter is not propping Tim up, but he is allowing Tim to play to his strengths. A smart team can do a lot of damage to the Spurs by isolating on Duncan using PnR switches. Tim's a legend and perhaps the smartest defender ever. So every once in a while, he makes a great play on the move. (That block on Harden for example.) But more often, he'll get exploited if he has to come out above the FT line. Would the Spurs be fine defensively without Splitter? Yes. They would drop a little and would have less defensive upside, but they'd manage. Would they be fine losing Splitter AND Green? Hell no.

[RD2191]

Splitter is a very good all around defender, but the notion that he's propping up Duncan, is ridiculous. Part of the reason why he appears so indispensable, is because of the lack of another big that's anything better than adequate defensively. Give this team Aldridge, who fits the mold (not the all around defender Splitter is, but a decent one) and a decent backup center and I'm confident they'd remain among the elite.

They were for the first few months without Splitter. Sure, the sample size wasn't huge, but it wasn't small either. Griffin destroyed them, but he's also the 2nd best PF in the game.
Splitter is the reason Memphis isn't shitting all over us anymore. He does work on most big men in the league. He is absolutely needed with all the talented big men out west. Gasol/zbo, dirk, lma, davis, Griffin, and Dwight, cousins are all very talented big men. Duncan is a good defender but he's old and slow. Splitter is criminally underrated around here.

[TD 21]

Splitter is not propping Tim up, but he is allowing Tim to play to his strengths. A smart team can do a lot of damage to the Spurs by isolating on Duncan using PnR switches. Tim's a legend and perhaps the smartest defender ever. So every once in a while, he makes a great play on the move. (That block on Harden for example.) But more often, he'll get exploited if he has to come out above the FT line. Would the Spurs be fine defensively without Splitter? Yes. They would drop a little and would have less defensive upside, but they'd manage. Would they be fine losing Splitter AND Green? Hell no.

It goes both ways though and Duncan's role defensively wouldn't change without Splitter. They don't even play that much together anyway. Either way, Duncan will be defending centers almost exclusively. If a team wants to "pick on him" by repeatedly running PnR with his man, they can do that even with Splitter around.

Obviously they wouldn't be fine if they lost both Splitter and Green.



Splitter is the reason Memphis isn't shitting all over us anymore. He does work on most big men in the league. He is absolutely needed with all the talented big men out west. Gasol/zbo, dirk, lma, davis, Griffin, and Dwight, cousins are all very talented big men. Duncan is a good defender but he's old and slow. Splitter is criminally underrated around here.

He's one of them, but he's not the reason. There is no specific reason, it's a combination and what it adds up to is this: The Spurs being flat out better.

Many would have been an upgrade over an on the verge of retirement McDyess, Bonner and Blair. If they didn't have Splitter, they'd have another starting big at a similar salary. They probably wouldn't be as good defensively as him, but it's not like it would be Baynes or Bonner taking his place.

Splitter is underrated by the idiot posters, but overrated by the intelligent ones.

[Richie]

That's why I said "something of a Diaw replacement". Play making PF's are rare, so it's not going to be easy to replace that aspect of Diaw's game. Other than that though, he should be able to fill a similar role. In the interim, he'd almost certainly spell the end of Bonner's tenure, unless they signed Aldridge and traded Diaw instead of Splitter.

They're not going to trade Splitter for the sake of it; this is not a re-build. Trading him at the draft would be both unnecessary and beyond stupid because if they miss on Aldridge, they'll have created a massive hole, with no clear way of filling it.

If Atlanta is interested in Splitter for #15, I'm pulling the trigger and taking Bobby Portis. He has the size to play center in the modern NBA, high motor on both ends, decent shooter, good BBIQ. That puts us in a position to get a big time free agent and even if we strike out we've drafted a guy who I think is going to be a really good rotation player in the league. He actually reminds me of Splitter a bit with his strengths and weaknesses.

[TD 21]

If Atlanta is interested in Splitter for #15, I'm pulling the trigger and taking Bobby Portis. He has the size to play center in the modern NBA, high motor on both ends, decent shooter, good BBIQ. That puts us in a position to get a big time free agent and even if we strike out we've drafted a guy who I think is going to be a really good rotation player in the league. He actually reminds me of Splitter a bit with his strengths and weaknesses.

I'm not, because if they miss on Aldridge, I'd rather keep Splitter and try one final time to win another championship.

Not just Portis, but no one who's going to be available at 15, has a high enough upside to risk that chance for.

[Richie]

I'm not, because if they miss on Aldridge, I'd rather keep Splitter and try one final time to win another championship.

Not just Portis, but no one who's going to be available at 15, has a high enough upside to risk that chance for.

I disagree, I think it's worth the risk. Splitter isn't unreplaceable in his role on our team. There are a bunch of guys we would play a smaller role overall but could replace what Splitter does defensively in the playoffs. Someone like Chandler, Robin Lopez, Koufos or Asik could come in and fill that role adequately if we have to face a team like the Grizzlies.

Splitter is very much a situational player come playoff time. Against the projected best teams next year, the Cavaliers, Thunder and Warriors, Splitter will play a limited role and I think we can beat the Clippers, Blazers, Grizzlies or Houston with any of the guys I listed.

[TD 21]

I disagree, I think it's worth the risk. Splitter isn't unreplaceable in his role on our team. There are a bunch of guys we would play a smaller role overall but could replace what Splitter does defensively in the playoffs. Someone like Chandler, Robin Lopez, Koufos or Asik could come in and fill that role adequately if we have to face a team like the Grizzlies.

Splitter is very much a situational player come playoff time. Against the projected best teams next year, the Cavaliers, Thunder and Warriors, Splitter will play a limited role and I think we can beat the Clippers, Blazers, Grizzlies or Houston with any of the guys I listed.

If they trade Splitter for Portis, they're no longer contenders. All for a guy who projects as a decent, jack of all trades, master of none type third big (think Jason Thompson). He might be the better player in 3 years, but by then they'll be a run of the mill team that could draft or sign a player of his caliber.

None of the four players you named can guard power forwards, so they couldn't play next to Duncan much. Three are also overqualified to only back him up and doing so would mean they'd need Portis to be an immediate 20 mpg player on a contender.

[tholdren]

Yes, you're crying, and it's completely absurd. It's an opinion that Green and Splitter are good defenders; it's a FACT that they put up elite defensive numbers. It's also a fact that Green hasn't performed poorly since leaving the Spurs. This issue is that you sound like a fool for not knowing the difference between fact and opinion and exposing that foolishness in this thread. You gave opinions, with which no one agrees and which you have NOT even tried to support. Your whole argument is that anything I say is as good as what you say because they're both opinions. But that's silly, because I actually supported my opinions with facts and analysis. You can totally do that instead of continuing to act petulant if you want. I'll totally be willing to engage you.

Just because you support your OPINION with facts doesn't change that it is still an OPINION.

[RD2191]

Just because you support your OPINION with facts doesn't change that it is still an OPINION.
The fuck.

[tholdren]

The fuck.
I think Kobe Bryant is the best NBA player, he had the highest salary this year.

now you try to find the opinion and the fact. tell me if the opinion changed because I provided factual evidence.

[Chinook]

Just because you support your OPINION with facts doesn't change that it is still an OPINION.

Lol. Yes, but if you support your opinion with facts, then it's not accurate to say that all you stated was your opinion. You can't say, "My opinion is as good as yours," when one is supported and the other isn't. That's just not what we as a society agreed on.

[Chinook]

I think Kobe Bryant is the best NBA player, he had the highest salary this year.

now you try to find the opinion and the fact. tell me if the opinion changed because I provided factual evidence.

:lol

[RD2191]

I think Kobe Bryant is the best NBA player, he had the highest salary this year.

now you try to find the opinion and the fact. tell me if the opinion changed because I provided factual evidence.
You are a faggot. Fact or opinion?

[tholdren]

Lol. Yes, but if you support your opinion with facts, then it's not accurate to say that all you stated was your opinion. You can't say, "My opinion is as good as yours," when one is supported and the other isn't. That's just not what we as a society agreed on.
again it is your opinion as to what society has agreed upon, I certainly didn't agree to anything. I can absolutely say that my opinion is as good as yours with ZERO evidence. Many people come with the thought that "this is what I believe, and nothing you can say is going to change that" These people may be stupid as all get out, but that doesn't change the concept that their opinion "isn't as good" as one backed with facts.

Religion is one of the easiest correlations. Non-religious here, but I cannot tell someone who is that their opinion isn't as good as mine because they don't have facts to back up their faith. That would be dick. Coincidentally, you are saying that I should not accept their opinions as equal. In terms of being a human being, I would whole-heartedly disagree with your original take. My job isn't trying to prove others right or wrong. My job, in society, is listen to everyone's opinion and try to help them grow, or think more deeply regarding what they believe, and why.

Next time you take a societal poll, please inform me.

[Chinook]

again it is your opinion as to what society has agreed upon, I certainly didn't agree to anything. I can absolutely say that my opinion is as good as yours with ZERO evidence. Many people come with the thought that "this is what I believe, and nothing you can say is going to change that" These people may be stupid as all get out, but that doesn't change the concept that their opinion "isn't as good" as one backed with facts.

Religion is one of the easiest correlations. Non-religious here, but I cannot tell someone who is that their opinion isn't as good as mine because they don't have facts to back up their faith. That would be dick. Coincidentally, you are saying that I should not accept their opinions as equal. In terms of being a human being, I would whole-heartedly disagree with your original take. My job isn't trying to prove others right or wrong. My job, in society, is listen to everyone's opinion and try to help them grow, or think more deeply regarding what they believe, and why.

Next time you take a societal poll, please inform me.

Lol: "Let me justify to you why I don't have to justify my opinion."

You don't see how absurd it is what you just did?

[tholdren]

Lol: "Let me justify to you why I don't have to justify my opinion."

You don't see how absurd it is what you just did?
lol - you still don't get the concept. When you become a little older/wiser you will get it. Until then, you're right, you proved me wrong.

[Chinook]

lol - you still don't get the concept. When you become a little older/wiser you will get it. Until then, you're right, you proved me wrong.

It's hard to take a concept seriously when the person explaining it couldn't even go one post without negating it.

[RD2191]

It's hard to take a concept seriously when the person explaining it couldn't even go one post without negating it.
:lol

[Nathan89]

Splitter is the reason Memphis isn't shitting all over us anymore. He does work on most big men in the league. He is absolutely needed with all the talented big men out west. Gasol/zbo, dirk, lma, davis, Griffin, and Dwight, cousins are all very talented big men. Duncan is a good defender but he's old and slow. Splitter is criminally underrated around here.

If Splitter's replacement is not a huge negative on defense and is a upgrade on offense then we should be able to manage against those bigs/teams. Dirk shouldn't be on that list anymore.

[TheGoldStandard]

Gasol and zbo are aging and bonner had success against guys like Dwight and zbo lol. 2011 was a shitty year for our bigs and long passed. Griffin and soon Davis will be at a point where it doesn't matter who you put on them they'll get there's. Splitter is useful but if he goes the Spurs are still contenders because Kawhi, green, to and perhaps Aldridge

[palangi]

You are a faggot. Fact or opinion?
Brilliant!

[cd021]

Splitter is a very good all around defender, but the notion that he's propping up Duncan, is ridiculous. Part of the reason why he appears so indispensable, is because of the lack of another big that's anything better than adequate defensively. Give this team Aldridge, who fits the mold (not the all around defender Splitter is, but a decent one) and a decent backup center and I'm confident they'd remain among the elite.

They were for the first few months without Splitter. Sure, the sample size wasn't huge, but it wasn't small either. Griffin destroyed them, but he's also the 2nd best PF in the game.

Weird stat, Aldridge is actually one of the best "rim protectors" allowing 39% on 9 attempts at the rim (compared to Duncan who allows 45% on 10 attempts) ( in way fewer minutes per game).

I agree Splitter is a great defender in his own right. Very good post defender, agile enough in the pick and roll and good at the rim. Does small stuff too like walling off the paint and forcing guards to shoot over his length.

So long as both Green and Leonard are on the wings, i'd agree that a Splitter/Aldridge and ,say, Baynes would be a top 10 probably top 5 defense.

[lmbebo]

Im ok with the Splitter trade as mentioned above, but just remember that rookies don't always tend to come right out and make an impact. Partly because of inexperience, but also because Pop doesn't tend to play them

[TheGoldStandard]

Im ok with the Splitter trade as mentioned above, but just remember that rookies don't always tend to come right out and make an impact. Partly because of inexperience, but also because Pop doesn't tend to play them

Unfortunate for Pop he would be forced to unless he plans to go small ball for a good part of the season.

[Biggems]

I would be ok with trading Splitter. I don't hate him, but I find him to be too soft offensively, and he is always dealing with nagging ailments.

There are 5 players I really like in this draft and all seem to be able to be had in the 2nd round, based on almost all of the mocks I have seen. Unfortunately, we only have one 2nd round pick right now, and none of the five players is a PG. We do have a 1st rounder and we could possibly shop Splitter.

in no particular order

C Nikola Milutinovic
C Guillermo Hernangomez
PF Jonathan Holmes
SF Anthony Brown
SG Pat Connaughton

[palangi]

I would be ok with trading Splitter. I don't hate him, but I find him to be too soft offensively, and he is always dealing with nagging ailments.

There are 5 players I really like in this draft and all seem to be able to be had in the 2nd round, based on almost all of the mocks I have seen. Unfortunately, we only have one 2nd round pick right now, and none of the five players is a PG. We do have a 1st rounder and we could possibly shop Splitter.

in no particular order

C Nikola Milutinovic
C Guillermo Hernangomez
PF Jonathan Holmes
SF Anthony Brown
SG Pat Connaughton

I like the Nikola kid a lot too.

[look_at_g_shred]

Really diggin Harrell and Anderson

[T Park]

I disagree, I think it's worth the risk. Splitter isn't unreplaceable in his role on our team. There are a bunch of guys we would play a smaller role overall but could replace what Splitter does defensively in the playoffs. Someone like Chandler, Robin Lopez, Koufos or Asik could come in and fill that role adequately if we have to face a team like the Grizzlies.

Splitter is very much a situational player come playoff time. Against the projected best teams next year, the Cavaliers, Thunder and Warriors, Splitter will play a limited role and I think we can beat the Clippers, Blazers, Grizzlies or Houston with any of the guys I listed.


Yeah Splitter is only one of the best pick and roll defenders in the league. Don't see how he'd get any mins vs Golden State or OKc or Cleveland at all.......

[T Park]

Im ok with the Splitter trade as mentioned above, but just remember that rookies don't always tend to come right out and make an impact. Partly because of inexperience, but also because Pop doesn't tend to play them



Ah the old "Pop doesn't play rookies" falsehood. It's like 2004 all over again

[raybies]

These are some guys i really like for the team.

PG: Not really a need
SG: Vaughn, Wright, Hunter, JP Tokoto,
SF: Not really a need
PF: Harrell, Holmes, Mcullough, Nance
C: Hernangomez, Milutinov, Dakari Johnson

[spurs1990]

I don't have any background in college / euro ball so I'll rely on yalls knowledge.

Any chance of picking up a Leonard or Hill type prospect.

Seems like the FO strikes gold every 3 years or so.

[raybies]

I don't have any background in college / euro ball so I'll rely on yalls knowledge.

Any chance of picking up a Leonard or Hill type prospect.

Seems like the FO strikes gold every 3 years or so.

As for Leonard, in our range, that would be Hollis-Jefferson or Justin Anderson. Both are projected to be gone by the time the Spurs pick though. Overall it would be Stanley Johnson or Justise Winslow.

And Hill, maybe Olivier Hanlan, but i'd like to see the Spurs get Delon Wright if he's available and they're looking for a combo.

[FireMicoHalili]

1st ROUND WISHLIST:

Montrezl Harrell
Frank Kaminsky (hoping teams get turned off by his weak physical tools; perfect as a Bonner replacement)
Jerian Grant
Delon Wright
Justin Anderson
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
Arturas Gudaitis

2nd ROUND WISHLIST:
BPA

[BatManu20]

Anderson will be long gone.


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[AFBlue]

I don't have any background in college / euro ball so I'll rely on yalls knowledge.

Any chance of picking up a Leonard or Hill type prospect.

Seems like the FO strikes gold every 3 years or so.

The "Leonard" (trade-up impact player) is Bobby Portis...do-it-all, high motor PF.

The "Hill" (obscure, but talented reach) could be Olivier Hanlan...combo guard with good scoring instincts. Or, it could be Larry Nance Jr...high-motor defensive PF with an emerging offensive game.

[buttsR4rebounding]

The "Leonard" (trade-up impact player) is Bobby Portis...do-it-all, high motor PF.

The "Hill" (obscure, but talented reach) could be Olivier Hanlan...combo guard with good scoring instincts. Or, it could be Larry Nance Jr...high-motor defensive PF with an emerging offensive game.

I am with you on Portis. I think when we look back in 10 years he has a better career than Okafor. Do you think coach Bud would take Diaw and 26 for 15?

[BatManu20]

Big, unathletic, fundamentally sound, unselfish, PnR specialist, European, etc.. this guy has "Spur" written all over him, tbh. And he's supposedly shooting up draft boards and expected to be drafted right around where we pick. And he's a potential draft-and-stash player, too. You may very well be looking at the next San Antonio Spur, tbh.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE2u5Zrcrek


I'm seeing Hernangomez mentioned with Spurs more and more as we approach the draft. Just sayin.

[TheGoldStandard]

I'm seeing Hernangomez mentioned with Spurs more and more as we approach the draft. Just sayin.

Boo

[AFBlue]

I'm seeing Hernangomez mentioned with Spurs more and more as we approach the draft. Just sayin.

Have they even worked him out? Not that it's a prerequisite for them selecting him, but my guess is the mentions are primarily based on the fact that he's European and eligible for draft-n-stash.

[AFBlue]

I am with you on Portis. I think when we look back in 10 years he has a better career than Okafor. Do you think coach Bud would take Diaw and 26 for 15?

Hard to say whether you'd get the same out of Boris on a different team. Splitter is probably more likely to fetch a pick from ATL than Boris tbqh.

[BatManu20]

Have they even worked him out? Not that it's a prerequisite for them selecting him, but my guess is the mentions are primarily based on the fact that he's European and eligible for draft-n-stash.

A lot of mocks are projecting us to go the draft-and-stash route, so they're penciling him in at 26. Doesn't help that his NBA comparison by many of these sites is Tiago Splitter.

[Nathan89]

If Justin Anderson is available and the spurs don't take him I'll be pretty pissed. Wouldn't mind moving up a little to get him tbh.

[AFBlue]

A lot of mocks are projecting us to go the draft-and-stash route, so they're penciling him in at 26. Doesn't help that his NBA comparison by many of these sites is Tiago Splitter.

Not to be argumentative, but I've only seen one mock with the Spurs going draft-n-stash and selecting Hernangomez. I see the logic behind it but don't necessarily know if it's a guess with any insight.

I also don't understand the Splitter comparison. Though he was not a shot-blocker overseas, he came across the pond with a rep for being a good defender and solid athlete. Hernangomez is not that. Honestly if he's the pick I'm going to be slightly underwhelmed.

[GSH]

Jonathan Holmes has reportedly been canceling his workouts with teams selecting in the early 30's. This suggests that a team in the late 20's has already promised him he'll be taken. That could be the Spurs, given how close R.C. and co. are with the Texas Basketball program . They know Holmes well (he's also from San Antonio), and he's the type of team-first, stand-up kid that the Spurs like. Wouldn't be surprised if we have another Cojo situation where they reach on a guy who they're very familiar with. He's also a stretch 4, which the spurs appear to be interested in. Just speculation, but wouldn't at all be surprised.





I think they've been looking at Holmes. He's a smart kid, with a lot of the things the Spurs look for.

I was told that they've looked at Nikola Radicevic as a possible draft-and-stash. Serbian connection?

Don't be surprised to see Sonny Weems in a Spurs workout. He improved his game overseas, and the word is that he's willing to sign relatively cheap to get back to the NBA on a club that will develop him further. Both are things that will probably make the Spurs give him another look.

[Big P]

I'm pretty sure, if we don't trade out of the first round, it's going to be a draft and stash player for the simple fact of opening up as much cap room as possible.

[TheGoldStandard]

I'm pretty sure, if we don't trade out of the first round, it's going to be a draft and stash player for the simple fact of opening up as much cap room as possible.

Which probably means euro since most of those prospects late in the draft actually want a chance at an NBA team.

[raybies]

I just thought of something that made some sense. What if the Spurs did do draft and stash for a big while everyone is squirming for the glut of shooting guards and small forwards, the Montrezl Harrells of the worlds etc. We instead pick a big that can replace Splitter. If we draft a big that's ready to come over next year or two years from now that keeps us flexible. In this scenario, we don't trade Splitter on draft night, but keep him until after free agency. If we sign LA, we then trade him and the needed pieces, probably a future first rounder, and have Duncan in the middle. In one or two years, depending on how long Duncan plays, we then have the big come over and take Duncan's place to stand alongside LA. If LA doesn't sign, we still have Splitter and possible replacement anyhow.

The three names to watch in this scenario:
Arturas Gudaitis
Guillermo Hernangomez
Nikola Milutinov

After watching the scouting reports and etc videos, I am really high on Gudaitis. Very good defender, good size, a jumper, and most of all, somewhat of a rim protector. The Spurs also just brought him in for a workout. I could see this going down. I'm not ready to say this is my final pick that the Spurs are gonna make, but I'm close. The more I think about this, the more it makes sense. We can just resign Danny and Manu, if he doesn't retire, or Marco. We have Kyle to fight for the back-up 3. You always can bring LJC and Deshaun over to fight it out at that spot and worse case scenario Danny can get more minutes with the 8 plus million he'll be making. So that's covered. Maybe you look to bring Denmon over for the 3rd string pg spot maybe not or make a move in the second round for a Olivier Hanlan or Joseph Young. So that's covered. Now that comes to backup big. Who we got? We need a stretch four, but we do have Diaw. Maybe Nance is actually available at 55. According to Draftexpress, he will be.

Patty might fetch a 2nd round pick to the right team. If Manu isn't back, we'll need a playmaking guard and we can just bring Cory back. With that pick we take a Hanlan or Young. Maybe Patty gets dealt. Makes more sense to dangle him on draft night then Splitter. This is assuming they know Manu's plans or have an inclination. If we sign LA then he most likely has to go anyway.

Just some thoughts. Feel free to add anything

[cd021]

I'm seeing Hernangomez mentioned with Spurs more and more as we approach the draft. Just sayin.

He, apparently, wants to stay with Real Madrid for a couple of seasons. He'd be better as a second rounder pick.

[cd021]

I've been reading up on Anthony Brown. Kind of a mixed bag

Pro's

6'8 (he is listed at 6'5 1/2 in shoes at the combine but that's almost certainly a typo he's likely 6'7 1/2 without shoes. He was listed at 6'7 in shoes last year in the Kevin Durant Camp)

Compares to Green physically. Taller, longer, and slightly more athletic. Above average lateral quickness. Capable of defending 3 positions in college.

Really good shooter-(46% 3pt shooter, excellent as a catch and shoot guy)
Good in transition, takes long strides and gets out into the open floor.

Cons

Poor 2pt FG% (98th out of DX top 100 players)
Doesn't really fight around screens, kind of gives up on them.
23 years old-5 year college player (missed a season)
Low ceiling

[TheCerebral1]

It really seems like Hunter or Harrell might be there. The question is who do you take.

[Chinook]

I'm pretty sure, if we don't trade out of the first round, it's going to be a draft and stash player for the simple fact of opening up as much cap room as possible.

You're talking about $400k in cap space here. There's no way it makes sense for the Spurs to give up on a salary-locked player for so little space. If they draft and stash it will be because that is the best move to make for the roster or because the BPA is an overseas prospect. It won't be to save cap.

[exstatic]

You're talking about $400k in cap space here. There's no way it makes sense for the Spurs to give up on a salary-locked player for so little space. If they draft and stash it will be because that is the best move to make for the roster or because the BPA is an overseas prospect. It won't be to save cap.

I think it's more than the "empty space" $400K slot charge. It would be whatever the rookie scale rate is for spot #26, much closer to $1M.

[Chinook]

I think it's more than the "empty space" $400K slot charge. It would be whatever the rookie scale rate is for spot #26, much closer to $1M.

The "empty space" charge is $525k. That can't be turned into cap space no matter how you finagle it. A rookie at 26 would have a first year salary ranging from $793k to $992k (the max is actually $1.2 Million, but obviously the team would just use the hold in this case). So that's a functional effect of $268k to $467k.

[Old School 44]

With all the Spurs success and the growth of the "Spurs tree" throughout the NBA, I'm sure more teams are evaluating and looking at prospects the same way. Makes it tough for the Spurs to get who they really want, especially considering they're almost always selecting near the end of the draft.

[Chinook]

With all the Spurs success and the growth of the "Spurs tree" throughout the NBA, I'm sure more teams are evaluating and looking at prospects the same way. Makes it tough for the Spurs to get who they really want, especially considering they're almost always selecting near the end of the draft.

Yes, that's a great observation. On one hand, it seems like trading up with Atlanta to 15 makes sense, as they'd value a guy like Splitter. But on the other hand, the Spurs would be trading up that far to target someone, and there's a good chance that whatever makes that player intriguing to the Spurs would also make them intriguing to the Hawks. Meaning if the Spurs value 15 and cap space more than Splitter, Atlanta like would as well.

[dabom]

Would bud take splitter though?

[venitian navigator]

Imho t depends on roles...both teams are in win now mode. But Atlanta does miss a big man at C and it's difficult to find one at 15th that can play immediately. I don't think at 15th the Spurs are gonna select a big man...

[Richie]

Yeah Splitter is only one of the best pick and roll defenders in the league. Don't see how he'd get any mins vs Golden State or OKc or Cleveland at all.......

Those 3 teams all play small with Lebron, Durant and Iguodala at the 4. In those situations we can't play Duncan/Splitter together so Splitter is relegated to playing the 14 minutes or so that Duncan sits. Even when the Thunder play Ibaka at the 4, we turned the series around by putting Diaw in to draw him away from the basket.

In 2014 Splitter went from averaging 28 minutes against Dallas and Portland to 17 minutes against the Thunder and Heat, and in three of those games he played less than 12 minutes. Anyone who watches the Spurs knows the teams that Splitter is most useful against and those in which his role is relegated to bit-part player, and the fact is that against the better teams it is more likely to be the latter.

[dabom]

A healthy splitter is great. Too bad that's rarely the thing nowadays.

[Chinook]

Even when the Thunder play Ibaka at the 4, we turned the series around by putting Diaw in to draw him away from the basket.

It was Bonner, and he also pretty much shut down Ibaka on the other side of the court, which played an even bigger role, in my opinion.

[Richie]

Yes, that's a great observation. On one hand, it seems like trading up with Atlanta to 15 makes sense, as they'd value a guy like Splitter. But on the other hand, the Spurs would be trading up that far to target someone, and there's a good chance that whatever makes that player intriguing to the Spurs would also make them intriguing to the Hawks. Meaning if the Spurs value 15 and cap space more than Splitter, Atlanta like would as well.

It's a fair point, but I'm not sure I agree. The Spurs have much more to gain out of cap room than the Hawks, as Atlanta will only be able to open up around $9m before resigning Carroll and Millsap which I think they are certain to do. With the way players are getting paid in anticipation for the cap jump, I doubt $9m gets them a big man as good as Splitter.

I think the trade itself makes the Spurs worse and the Hawks better in the immediate future, there's no question that over the next 2 years Splitter will be a better player than whoever is picked at #15, but if we need to open up cap room it is the best deal we can get. If we wait until the summer and have to dump Splitter somewhere prior to signing a free agent we won't get anywhere near as much value, and may even have to give up picks to get someone to take him as we'll have no leverage.

It would absolutely be a gamble from the Spurs perspective, and given their track record it seems like something they are unlikely to do, but personally I'm all in on cap space. This summer is the best chance we'll ever have to land a big fish.

[DPG21920]

The logic of the sentiment makes sense but I doubt the impact is as severe. It would have to be identical team needs, salary position & value for the overlap to apply.

[Maddog]

It's a fair point, but I'm not sure I agree. The Spurs have much more to gain out of cap room than the Hawks, as Atlanta will only be able to open up around $9m before resigning Carroll and Millsap which I think they are certain to do. With the way players are getting paid in anticipation for the cap jump, I doubt $9m gets them a big man as good as Splitter.

I think the trade itself makes the Spurs worse and the Hawks better in the immediate future, there's no question that over the next 2 years Splitter will be a better player than whoever is picked at #15, but if we need to open up cap room it is the best deal we can get. If we wait until the summer and have to dump Splitter somewhere prior to signing a free agent we won't get anywhere near as much value, and may even have to give up picks to get someone to take him as we'll have no leverage.

It would absolutely be a gamble from the Spurs perspective, and given their track record it seems like something they are unlikely to do, but personally I'm all in on cap space. This summer is the best chance we'll ever have to land a big fish.

I think this is a point that needs to be reiterated.
The chance of finding a major immediate contributor where the Spurs will be drafting or could reasonably be able to get to is pretty low. Splitter, Green and whoever else we wish to bring up may have flaws, but they are still proven NBA rotational players.
In last years draft only 12 players logged more than 800 minutes (random number- 10 minutes a game for 80 games)

[wildbill2u]

Has there been any serious discussion about Robert Upshaw? I know he was kicked off of two programs, but does anyone know the reason? TheSpurs have usually stayed away from players with issues off the court, but there have been some exceptions who got some slack although the FO moves then quickly if the player doesn't work out.

[tholdren]

He, apparently, wants to stay with Real Madrid for a couple of seasons. He'd be better as a second rounder pick.

willy is a spanish center who played his first year professionally on real madrid reserves. He did get week 8 mvp in the eurocup. I think its worth the wasted pick.

[DPG21920]

The "empty space" charge is $525k. That can't be turned into cap space no matter how you finagle it. A rookie at 26 would have a first year salary ranging from $793k to $992k (the max is actually $1.2 Million, but obviously the team would just use the hold in this case). So that's a functional effect of $268k to $467k.

What would you think of the Spurs trading their #26 for Jordan Clarkson? Gets a guard that has shown potential, free's up ability to lose Mills and/or Cory and actually costs less than the pick.

LA probably wouldn't do that, but what it would do for LA is give them more flexibility. They could not trade their #2 before the draft without having to wait until they sign the pick and gives them another 1st rounder for an asset that some may not be sure of anyways in a trade (meaning, some teams would value the pick over Clarkson).

[objective]

There isn't anyone who is projected to be available that I love as much as I loved KJ McDaniels last draft

Assuming Justin Anderson is gone, the next best for me is Delon Wright. Flawed, older, but enough to like, especially the defense. Drafting players who can't guard their NBA position in the modern age like Kyle Anderson & Deshaun Thomas is too risky. The league has changed, and guys better be able to guard at least their position, and better if they can switch and not lose it, or excel at protecting the rim for bigs.

[BatManu20]

Has there been any serious discussion about Robert Upshaw? I know he was kicked off of two programs, but does anyone know the reason? TheSpurs have usually stayed away from players with issues off the court, but there have been some exceptions who got some slack although the FO moves then quickly if the player doesn't work out.

Spurs won't touch him. He was kicked out of 2 different basketball programs for drug-related issues and insubordination. And on top of that, he was just flagged at the NBA combine for a heart issue. Not sure the severity of it, but I know he had to cancel his upcoming workouts because of it. He'll be a 2nd round pick for somebody, but it won't be us.

[Richie]

I think this is a point that needs to be reiterated.
The chance of finding a major immediate contributor where the Spurs will be drafting or could reasonably be able to get to is pretty low. Splitter, Green and whoever else we wish to bring up may have flaws, but they are still proven NBA rotational players.
In last years draft only 12 players logged more than 800 minutes (random number- 10 minutes a game for 80 games)

If it was a choice for next year between Splitter and Portis with all else remaining equal of course I'd keep Splitter, but that is not the situation I'm proposing. This trade would be for Portis + $18m compared to Splitter + $9m, which gives us a shot at adding a big fish free agent but even if we strike out there are players like Robin Lopez or Chandler we could sign who could give us most of what we've lost.

I wouldn't be worried if our team next season looked like this

Parker/Mills/Joseph
Green/Manu
Kawhi/Anderson
Duncan/Diaw
Lopez/Portis

[kobyz]

A healthy splitter is great. Too bad that's rarely the thing nowadays.

Healthy splitter is still shitty rebounder and big liability on offence...

[DPG21920]

Tiago is not a liability on offense.

[Nathan89]

Tiago is not a liability on offense.

Depends who he's playing with. If he's playing with Tony and Tim then he becomes a problem because we have three non-shooters on the court.

[look_at_g_shred]

What does everyone think of Anthony Brown?

[lmbebo]

What does everyone think of Anthony Brown?

If we could acquire an early 2nd rounder, then yes. But not a first round pick.

[TheGreatYacht]

What does everyone think of Anthony Brown?
Kent Bazemore 2.0 imo

[kobyz]

Tiago is not a liability on offense.
He is, soft with sorry ass finish technique, can't score even on smaller players, teams can go small against us and take advantage of that...

[FireMicoHalili]

Some observations re: draft

1. Spurs draft-and-stash plan is mere speculation prescinding from the premise they're going after Aldridge or Gasol, which has so far been unsubstantiated.
2. Clear they're looking for a 4th big and/or a guard that can shoot.
3. That Spurs are "interested" in Nance, aside from work out, has also been unsubstantiated.
4. Some names unheard of here and there (Jeromie Hill, Satnam Singh Bhamara, Janis Berzins) that the Spurs have worked out.
5. Guards net a more immediate return (window is closing), so I wager they're picking a guard with the 1st round pick, and a big man with the latter pick.

[FireMicoHalili]

really hope they go with the best player available

[RD2191]

Thoughts on Tyus Jones? Cojo and Mills are both incomplete PGs imo. And while I love Cojos defense his PG skills leave something to be desired.

[Juan]

Sixers apparently want to trade their 35th and 37th picks for a first rounder. Wouldn't surprise me to see the Spurs take this route.

[TheGoldStandard]

Thoughts on Tyus Jones? Cojo and Mills are both incomplete PGs imo. And while I love Cojos defense his PG skills leave something to be desired.

Undersized and non athletic

[RD2191]

Undersized and non athletic
So is Tony Parker, tbh.

[TheGoldStandard]

So is Tony Parker, tbh.

Not originally, he used to be fast.

[RD2191]

With Green and Kawhi on the wings we can survive with a non athlete at PG. I mean Parker was a beast in 2013 without being an explosive athlete.

[Vic Petro]

Thoughts on Tyus Jones? Cojo and Mills are both incomplete PGs imo. And while I love Cojos defense his PG skills leave something to be desired.

I'm not a fan at all. Would much prefer Jerian Grant if we can move up. If not, maybe Wright falls to 26.

[TheGoldStandard]

There are a couple of prospects that don't seem to be slated to be drafted in a lot of the mock drafts. I mentioned it in the Think Tank but I wouldn't mind giving a call to Aaron Harrison after the draft for a camp or summer league invite.

[TheGoldStandard]

With Green and Kawhi on the wings we can survive with a non athlete at PG. I mean Parker was a beast in 2013 without being an explosive athlete.

Shouldn't have to settle for unathletic PG if we don't have to. Wright and Grant are better options that could fall.

[Chinook]

Thoughts on Tyus Jones? Cojo and Mills are both incomplete PGs imo. And while I love Cojos defense his PG skills leave something to be desired.

Joseph's PG skills are just fine. Not great, but very adequate for a backup. His problem is that he needs to have the ball in his hand to be effective and he has a tendency to become passive when he isn't able to do that. But as far as the roster goes, he's one of few who can get a look any time he wants.

[RD2191]

Shouldn't have to settle for unathletic PG if we don't have to. Wright and Grant are better options that could fall.
Haven't seen any of their vids. Will check them out. I got a feeling about Tyus though. Seems like a Spur. Willing passer and all.

[RD2191]

Joseph's PG skills are just fine. Not great, but very adequate for a backup. His problem is that he needs to have the ball in his hand to be effective and he has a tendency to become passive when he isn't able to do that. But as far as the roster goes, he's one of few who can get a look any time he wants.
Tbh I'm just tired of Pop's bullshit with both Mills and Cojo. Just choose one imo. He benches one for the other way too much for my liking. I just want a steady backup PG.

[BatManu20]

The one guy I do not want at 26 is Cliff Alexander. Seen a few mocks have us taking him, and I would hate the pick, tbh. Doesn't make much sense either. He's not very skilled at all. An undersized 4 at 6'8 who is a good rebounder, but that's about it. Would be another Errors-type imo.

[stnick2261]

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Cauley-Steins-Foot-Giving-Lottery-Teams-Pause-5123/

"Five separate NBA teams we spoke with all indicated varying degrees of concern after consulting with their team doctors this week, with some saying it may cost the Kentucky big man a few spots on draft night....

...Even beyond any injury concerns, a more pressing issue that Cauley-Stein is dealing with is the apparent lack of need for a player with his skill-set in the 7-10 range, should he fall past Orlando or Sacramento at 5 or 6."

If by chance he falls from 11 to 15, I'd be willing to give up Splitter (if it also nets us LMA)

[Chinook]

The one guy I do not want at 26 is Cliff Alexander. Seen a few mocks have us taking him, and I would hate the pick, tbh. Doesn't make much sense either. He's not very skilled at all. An undersized 4 at 6'8 who is a good rebounder, but that's about it. Would be another Errors-type imo.

Yeah, Cliff looks awful. It would be a major disappointment to have him picked by the Spurs. I'd rather see them trade the pick for cash.

[TheGoldStandard]

Cliff Alexander will go in the 2nd round to LA

[raybies]

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Not Spurs related but looking at what the blazers could be getting for the 23rd pick is interesting, cause trading down might be an option.

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[BatManu20]

Joe Kotoch of SheridanHoops says a close source to the Spurs told him that the Spurs will not be taking on any money on draft night. In other words, barring an unforeseen trade or a top prospect slipping to 26, we're likely going draft-and-stash again.

[palangi]

Shouldn't have to settle for unathletic PG if we don't have to. Wright and Grant are better options that could fall.

I also like Olivier Hanlan

[DPG21920]

Joe Kotoch of SheridanHoops says a close source to the Spurs told him that the Spurs will not be taking on any money on draft night. In other words, barring an unforeseen trade or a top prospect slipping to 26, we're likely going draft-and-stash again.

Well that about covers it all :lol. So unless a good player falls (duh) or they perhaps trade (duh) the Spurs may or may not take on money by drafting a stash. So they will either take a good player if he falls to them, trade or stash :tu

That website is garbage.

[Thomas82]

Some observations re: draft

1. Spurs draft-and-stash plan is mere speculation prescinding from the premise they're going after Aldridge or Gasol, which has so far been unsubstantiated.
2. Clear they're looking for a 4th big and/or a guard that can shoot.
3. That Spurs are "interested" in Nance, aside from work out, has also been unsubstantiated.
4. Some names unheard of here and there (Jeromie Hill, Satnam Singh Bhamara, Janis Berzins) that the Spurs have worked out.
5. Guards net a more immediate return (window is closing), so I wager they're picking a guard with the 1st round pick, and a big man with the latter pick.


I hope they get a big in the first and a guard in the 2nd.

[Thomas82]

The one guy I do not want at 26 is Cliff Alexander. Seen a few mocks have us taking him, and I would hate the pick, tbh. Doesn't make much sense either. He's not very skilled at all. An undersized 4 at 6'8 who is a good rebounder, but that's about it. Would be another Errors-type imo.

I would like to see us get Christian Wood if he falls to us.

[raybies]

So that explains some of the recent workouts with international players. As i posted earlier, i think that means we are taking a big. One of the Hernangomez, Milutinov,Gudaitis trio. Could they really take Berzins in the first if they liked him that much? ... And out of that 3, i like Gudaitis the most.

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[raybies]

Another question, which prospect that is out of our reach would we sacrifice cap space for should he fall? Anderson, Looney?

[AFBlue]

Sixers apparently want to trade their 35th and 37th picks for a first rounder. Wouldn't surprise me to see the Spurs take this route.

I could definitely see this, based on who they've worked out this far.

[TheGoldStandard]

It makes almost zero sense to draft and stash when there is a need for a backup wing

[MaNu4Tres]

It makes almost zero sense to draft and stash when there is a need for a backup wing

They already have a back up wing that's likely better than any wing available at 26 -- Kyle Anderson.

Draft/stashing or trading their pick for a future 1st ( giving them two 1sts in the 16' draft) seems like a likely scenario to me. IMO

[BatManu20]

Well that about covers it all :lol. So unless a good player falls (duh) or they perhaps trade (duh) the Spurs may or may not take on money by drafting a stash. So they will either take a good player if he falls to them, trade or stash :tu

That website is garbage.


:lol he essentially said we're definitely going draft-and-stash, but yea, idk much about SheridanHoops, or any of these other sources not named Woj tbh, so everything in thos thread should be taken with a grain of salt.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Am I the only one that feels like who they draft will show what their long term interest is in Patty? I think if they really like a combo guard that's available, they may go for it and feel a little bit better about trading Patty in a potential Aldridge trade.

[BatManu20]

So that explains some of the recent workouts with international players. As i posted earlier, i think that means we are taking a big. One of the Hernangomez, Milutinov,Gudaitis trio. Could they really take Berzins in the first if they liked him that much? ... And out of that 3, i like Gudaitis the most.

8KOMevYoZfE

Agree with Gudaitis out of those 3, followed by Milutinov. I think Gudaitis has the highest ceiling. I know the Spurs worked him out last Saturday, and the Cavs are working him out today I believe, so he's garnering attention from teams in the mid 20's.

[RD2191]

Don't need euro scrubs.

[MaNu4Tres]

Am I the only one that feels like who they draft will show what their long term interest is in Patty? I think if they really like a combo guard that's available, they may go for it and feel a little bit better about trading Patty in a potential Aldridge trade.

If they don't draft/stash Gudaitis or Hernandogomez or trade their 1st, think SA will just draft the best player available -- no preference in position.

If it happens to be a combo guard then they can renounce and move on from Cojo or use Mills in a trade to get Aldridge.

[TheGoldStandard]

They already have a back up wing that's likely better than any wing available at 26 -- Kyle Anderson.

Draft/stashing or trading their pick for a future 1st ( giving them two 1sts in the 16' draft) seems like a likely scenario to me. IMO

Do you really believe that? Kyle is smart but not athletic, don't know if he got faster at staying in front of SG/SF. Don't know if his release has been fixed to shoot from around the arc. He can handle the ball we know that. If Anderson or Vaughn are there at 26 that's a better option

[AFBlue]

:lol he essentially said we're definitely going draft-and-stash, but yea, idk much about SheridanHoops, or any of these other sources not named Woj tbh, so everything in thos thread should be taken with a grain of salt.

It just doesn't make much sense if the plan is to "retool" the roster. Getting low-cost replacements seems like an effective method to preserve cap space while retaining decent value.

[raybies]

Agree with Gudaitis out of those 3, followed by Milutinov. I think Gudaitis has the highest ceiling. I know the Spurs worked him out last Saturday, and the Cavs are working him out today I believe, so he's garnering attention from teams in the mid 20's.

Yeah. He's the only one of the three that offers some sort of rim protection which is a must if we intend to draft a big. Cause when Duncan retires and if we sign LA, any big we pair him with would have to be able to protect the rim cause we know that's not really a strength of LA. So if this guy can be stashed for one to two years and become more seasoned, he could have a chance to start when he comes over, which would be a selling point.

And I agree with your ranking of the three.

[tim_duncan_fan]

So that explains some of the recent workouts with international players. As i posted earlier, i think that means we are taking a big. One of the Hernangomez, Milutinov,Gudaitis trio. Could they really take Berzins in the first if they liked him that much? ... And out of that 3, i like Gudaitis the most.

8KOMevYoZfE

I'm intrigued by this Artie Gudaitis guy. I liked that he can put the ball on the floor. Seems to have the potential to develop legit post-moves. Will he get stronger? Can he quicken the release of his jumper?

Not that it matters. Someone will take him before us.

[AFBlue]

Not intrigued by any international players tbqh.

[99 Problems]

Do you really believe that? Kyle is smart but not athletic, don't know if he got faster at staying in front of SG/SF. Don't know if his release has been fixed to shoot from around the arc. He can handle the ball we know that. If Anderson or Vaughn are there at 26 that's a better option


Tend to agree. Kyle's D at the moment is not going to help us get over the line as a team. Anderson/Vaughn are ready to contribute minutes from day 1, and we only got a short window with TD.

[TheGoldStandard]

Not intrigued by any international players tbqh.

Same here, the majority of the euros that draft and stash never come over

[Russ]

So that explains some of the recent workouts with international players. As i posted earlier, i think that means we are taking a big. One of the Hernangomez, Milutinov,Gudaitis trio. Could they really take Berzins in the first if they liked him that much? ... And out of that 3, i like Gudaitis the most.

8KOMevYoZfE

Don't forget about Mouhammadou Jaiteh (Center) from France.

He was a revelation at the NBA Combine in Chicago.

He could actually be what Mahinmi was supposed to be.

[raybies]

Don't forget about Mouhammadou Jaiteh (Center) from France.

He was a revelation at the NBA Combine in Chicago.

He could actually be what Mahinmi was supposed to be.

Yah you're right and then there's that French connection. I remember hearing that he was close to joining the French national team last summer or the year before when they were short on big men, so there's the possibility of more growth there. I might be mistaking him for someone else... but yah. I wish there was an up to date scouting report on him. Let me check.

[AFBlue]

Don't forget about Mouhammadou Jaiteh (Center) from France.

He was a revelation at the NBA Combine in Chicago.

He could actually be what Mahinmi was supposed to be.

More like Kevin Seraphin than Mahinmi...big bodied, unathletic, good touch inside, no game beyond 12ft, good rebounder, not a defender. Mixed bag, but he's not terrible I suppose.

[Uriel]

FWIW, the SA Express-News' mock draft has us selecting Nikola Milutinov at #26. Not that they're known to be a groundbreaking Spurs insider or anything, but they do have regular access to the Spurs' practice facility, so they probably have a better idea of which types of players the Spurs are looking for than anything.

[Russ]

FWIW, the SA Express-News' mock draft has us selecting Nikola Milutinov at #26. Not that they're known to be a groundbreaking Spurs insider or anything, but they do have regular access to the Spurs' practice facility, so they probably have a better idea of which types of players the Spurs are looking for than anything.

Milutinov looks like a reach in the First Round -- hopefully not correct.

But this guy looks intriguing -- Rondae Hollis-Jefferson. Supposedly a Bruce Bowen type.

[AFBlue]

Milutinov looks like a reach in the First Round -- hopefully not correct.

But this guy looks intriguing -- Rondae Hollis-Jefferson. Supposedly a Bruce Bowen type.

Jumpshot would need to be reworked completely, but all the other tools are there. He's what everyone thought Kawhi would be coming out. If he falls to the Spurs they have to take him. I don't see it happening though.

[Russ]

Jumpshot would need to be reworked completely, . . .

Spurs are best in the biz at that.

[look_at_g_shred]

Per Ken Berger, the Houston Rockets are interested in Memphis' 25th pick or San Antonio's 26th pick...

[look_at_g_shred]

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/report-houston-trying-to-acquire-san-antonio-s-first-round-pick-062315

[wildbill2u]

Per Ken Berger, the Houston Rockets are interested in Memphis' 25th pick or San Antonio's 26th pick...

That's almost bizarre. Unless they have already focused on a sure fire player that will still be around at that late spot in the draft==and who finds sure fire players there--it makes no sense.

[Vic Petro]

"I’ve heard from the Spurs themselves that they love him.” Amico said. “The fact that they love him and the word’s out about that has probably made a lot more teams interested just because everybody wants to be like the Spurs.”


RE: Larry Nance. Hopefully subterfuge.

http://trib.com/sports/college/wyoming/mbb/analysts-former-wyoming-star-larry-nance-jr-could-be-drafted/article_fff61556-5216-5340-9cf4-902f7b1aeec2.html

[Ditty]

Sounds like a smoke screen to me...

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs doing a solid for Larry Nance and generating some interest for him. That's nice

[raybies]

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Forgive me if this is known already, but as suspected this might be one of the players we might draft if he fell or possibly trade up for. Although, I seriously doubt the ladder.

[TheGoldStandard]

613032431940173824

Forgive me if this is known already, but as suspected this might be one of the players we might draft if he fell or possibly trade up for. Although, I seriously doubt the ladder.

He seems like a mixed bag.. He always seems to be moving at half speed.