The double standard part 2

[Brazil]

ST is obviously putting the blame once again on Parker for Spurs struggles and basically for losing to the Clippers. Once again Kawhi is "protected", some are whispering dude did not have a good serie but overall no big complain there, Tim has been the best of the serie but not much fuss about it.

This picture is again the result of a double standard when reality is Parker did have an horrible serie, no doubt about that. Kawhi had an overall very bad serie and Tim Duncan had an amazing serie despite the "he cannot defend the P&R" :rolleyes

Using the famous +/- Parker haters love to use....

Cumul +/- for the serie

TD +17 :wow
TP -6
KL -35 :wow

Net Rating per 100 possessions

TD +7
TP +1
KL -4,8


Before anybody starts with their respective agendas, I'm not saying or arguing about the fact Parker has somehow a better serie than KL :lol his PER, PIE, shooting etc.. have been horrible :lol (no need to post for the 100000th times the screen shots).

Nevertheless fact is KL did not play at expected level especially factoring the fact he was our best mismatch to exploit on both end of the floor. His defense has been subpar with a Defrtg of 108, he allowed opponents to score .54 on him +6,2 pts vs. average opponent shooting %. Fun facts Parker allowed .42, -4,5 pts vs. average :lol and Tim fucking Duncan allowed .45, -6,6 pts vs. average :wow


At the end, Duncan at 38 y/o outplayed badly our 23 y/o best player future of the franchise

[jdelar03]

Duncan is 39 :rolleyes

[Mugen]

I'm with OP on this one. It's stupid to think that one of the fattest players in the league could have played better.

Kawhi should have done more tbh.

[dabom]

If you look closely I'm pretty sure matt bonner has a plus 20 you faggot. Look at this whole year you stupid fuck. Now look at this years playoffs and last years playoffs. We lost cause parker was a faggot.
Player fans. :lmao And no, Kawhi did not have a bad series, he had a good series. Tony has one of the worst playoff series ever my any starter ever. If Tony ever played the injury excuse we would be in the playoffs right now. I bet you think benching Kawhi would be the reasonable thing to do then right? :lmao Wow you are a stupid fuck. You don't know shit about basketball.

[Brazil]

Duncan is 39 :rolleyes

yup u right... it's even worst

[spurraider21]

there is an "s" at the end of the word "series" tbh. and not just for the plural form

[Mugen]

^ what a loser tbh.

[RD2191]

If you look closely I'm pretty sure matt bonner has a plus 20 you faggot. Look at this whole year you stupid fuck. Now look at this years playoffs and last years playoffs. We lost cause parker was a faggot.
Player fans. :lmao And no, Kawhi did not have a bad series, he had a good series. Tony has one of the worst playoff series ever my any starter ever. If Tony ever played the injury excuse we would be in the playoffs right now. I bet you think benching Kawhi would be the reasonable thing to do then right? :lmao Wow you are a stupid fuck. You don't know shit about basketball.

[Agloco]

there is an "s" at the end of the word "series" tbh. and not just for the plural form

English as a second language tbh

[Brazil]

If you look closely I'm pretty sure matt bonner has a plus 20 you faggot. Look at this whole year you stupid fuck. Now look at this years playoffs and last years playoffs. We lost cause parker was a faggot.
Player fans. :lmao And no, Kawhi did not have a bad series, he had a good series. Tony has one of the worst playoff series ever my any starter ever. If Tony ever played the injury excuse we would be in the playoffs right now. I bet you think benching Kawhi would be the reasonable thing to do then right? :lmao Wow you are a stupid fuck. You don't know shit about basketball.

so many fails in dat post I don't even know where to start :lol

:lol Matt Bonner +/- during his 5 mpg is irrelevant to this topic
:lol Your crew is the one who started dat +/- shit :lol so that's yours not mine
:lol create a thread for the whole year, I'm talking about 7 games against the Clips
:lol yes KL had a bad serie, Net rating of -4,8, outplayed by Matt Barnes
:lol read OP I said Parker had an horrible serie, still deflecting I see

:lol you have still no clue about advanced stats, you use them when it fits and says it is shit when it does not fit

[Brazil]

there is an "s" at the end of the word "series" tbh. and not just for the plural form

thanks brah :tu

[Brazil]

KL -35 :lol

[loveforthegame]

Seriously? Leonard's getting plenty of blame. There's probably more threads about him than Parker. I'm sure no one is more disappointed in his performance than the man himself. He's young, will get back in the gym, and come back better next year. It's what he does.

Maybe Parker will come back stronger too. Or just bigger. Who knows. Maybe people are leaning on him more because the money he makes and for posting some of the worst numbers in the league all season long.

[RD2191]

Your defensive and offensive numbers take a huge hit when this guy is your starting PG.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDAYXvQUgAAoekZ.jpg




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by robdiaz2191 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7993331#post7993331)
ON/OFF COURT IMPACT
Virtually everyone is aware of the on/off impact that Kawhi Leonard has had this year with the Spurs. When Kawhi's on the court, they've played excellent ball. When he's not, they've been... shaky, to say the least. Fewer are aware of the fact that Tony Parker's on-court presence has been essentially the opposite. With Parker on the court, San Antonio has been outscored by one point (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/on-off/2015/). Their defense has been atrocious and their offense has been below par. With Parker off, they've been absolutely excellent, outscoring opponents by 7.6 points. Here are some simple numbers on San Antonio's team performance with Tony Parker on and off the court from the current season:
http://gothicginobili.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Screen-Shot-2015-01-29-at-10.38.29-AM-1024x134.png




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by robdiaz2191 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7993351#post7993351)
Parker's erratic play has been a big reason for San Antonio's regression on offense this season. The Spurs' offensive rating sits at just 103.6 this season, which is a pedestrian 12th in the league, per NBA.com. (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/#!/advanced/?sort=OFF_RATING&dir=1)

The picture gets even uglier for Parker when you look at how San Antonio has performed with him on the floor. The Spurs have an offensive rating of just 101.6 in Parker's 1,213 minutes this season, the lowest of any regular rotation player, per NBA.com. (http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612759/onoffcourt/advanced/?sort=OFF_RATING&dir=1) San Antonio's net rating is a poor negative-2.5 with Parker on the floor, compared to 8.2 with him on the bench (http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612759/onoffcourt/advanced/?sort=OFF_RATING&dir=1), a stunning difference.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/2/24/8101513/tony-parker-struggling-stats-synergy-sports-spurs




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by robdiaz2191 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7993339#post7993339)
Not all measures agree with this assessment of the Spurs’ point guards (if you’re a diehard PER partisan, you’re not going to find this persuasive), but Parker and Joseph’s on/off court numbers this season support the case: ESPN’s on-court impact metric (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1) has Cory Joseph ranked a respectable 21stamong all NBA point guards, with Tony Parker coming in at 75. The Spurs just aren’t playing as well when Parker is on the floor.


http://hardwoodparoxysm.com/2014/12/31/need-talk-tony-parker/

[dabom]

Enrique
6.3 PER
-.067WS/48

Kawhi
19.7 PER
.142WS/48

As you can clearly see faggot. Tony was the one bringing us down you stupid fuck. :lmao

Looked like D-League material. :lmao

We'd be in the playoffs if it wasn't for that faggot. :lmao

[RD2191]

let's just shut this thread down

[dabom]

Those are playoff numbers. :lmao

[dabom]

Was Tony betting on the Clippers? :lmao

[Brazil]

Seriously? Leonard's getting plenty of blame.

true and I said it in OP but what he is getting is more a whisper than anything else


There's probably more threads about him than Parker.

:lol no... not even close


I'm sure no one is more disappointed in his performance than the man himself. He's young, will get back in the gym, and come back better next year. It's what he does.

Maybe Parker will come back stronger too. Or just bigger. Who knows. Maybe people are leaning on him more because the money he makes and for posting some of the worst numbers in the league all season long.

I agree totally, I don't question the player I question his performance during 7 games against clippers and the ST double standard

[Bartleby]

If you look closely I'm pretty sure matt bonner has a plus 20 you faggot. Look at this whole year you stupid fuck. Now look at this years playoffs and last years playoffs. We lost cause parker was a faggot.
Player fans. :lmao And no, Kawhi did not have a bad series, he had a good series. Tony has one of the worst playoff series ever my any starter ever. If Tony ever played the injury excuse we would be in the playoffs right now. I bet you think benching Kawhi would be the reasonable thing to do then right? :lmao Wow you are a stupid fuck. You don't know shit about basketball.

:lol pretending Kawhi didn't shit the bed the last three games.
:lol "I'm going into hibernation"
:lol "I'm not a player fan"

[spurraider21]

why is it impossible to separate kawhi discussions from tony discussions?

[RD2191]

There is no double standard. Did Kawhi suck games 5-7? tes, he did. Did Parker have anything to do with that? Yes, he did. Did Parker take 21 shots while being the worst shooter on the team? Yes, he did.

[dabom]

ARPM had tony as the worst player in the PLAYOFFS by game 4. :lmao

[baseline bum]

Srs? Parker was probably the worst rotation player in the playoffs, counting Rondo and Austin Rivers.

[Brazil]

Enrique
6.3 PER
-.067WS/48

Kawhi
19.7 PER
.142WS/48

As you can clearly see faggot. Tony was the one bringing us down you stupid fuck. :lmao

Looked like D-League material. :lmao

We'd be in the playoffs if it wasn't for that faggot. :lmao




reality is Parker did have an horrible serie, no doubt about that.

Before anybody starts with their respective agendas, I'm not saying or arguing about the fact Parker has somehow a better serie than KL :lol his PER, PIE, shooting etc.. have been horrible :lol (no need to post for the 100000th times the screen shots).

what else faggot ? :lol

[cantthinkofanything]

why is it impossible to separate kawhi discussions from tony discussions?

you might as well try to separate the corn from the shit. It's not impossible, but just very messy.

[dabom]

He surely didn't do anything the last 3 games to improve. :lmao

[K...]

I can't even read that dabom splurge.


On one hand you can say you expect more from the hof pg than a young unproven player.except it's pretty common to accuse Parker of being a career playoff choker and the young player is argued to be mini Jordan already. They also claimed kawhi was the team alpha. Kawhi was healthy, kawhI had played the clippers before.



Sadly the only attacks they have left ate the fan fiction favourites starring fat porker, cancer wife stealer, and curmudgeon pop.



Small minds often cling to vanilla narratives. Nuance and logic escapes them. This is now most religions start.multiple people trying to suck the same dick each coming up with greater compliments until Jesus is not one god but three, kawhi is mini Jordan, and Parker is the all time devil.


Too many people are living in Parker's world. Let it go, Parker is a basketball player not the devil or nothing.

[K...]

Srs? Parker was probably the worst rotation player in the playoffs, counting Rondo and Austin Rivers.

Cute.

[Brazil]

Srs? Parker was probably the worst rotation player in the playoffs, counting Rondo and Austin Rivers.

no doubt that

not the topic of this thread tho

[K...]

There is no double standard. Did Kawhi suck games 5-7? tes, he did. Did Parker have anything to do with that? Yes, he did. Did Parker take 21 shots while being the worst shooter on the team? Yes, he did.

Fan fiction, you are claiming something but not proving it. Parker took shots? Is kawhi somehow a volume rhythm guy who needs shots to play lockdown defense?

[dabom]

Lets get this out the way.
No Kawhi =no playoffs and even then maybe a guaranteed first round sweep if we do make the playoffs. ]
No Enrique= we win more games during the season, we get a higher seed, we beat any first round opponent and we beat the clippers if we meet them. We go on to our next Finals. :lmao

[dabom]

This faggot was the one that posted most of the blame should go on Kawhi if we were to lose. He already made his narrative even before the games were played. Such a faggot troll TBH.

[K...]

Smh player fans who can't admit their guy shit the bed. Even Harlem and apo called Parker better during the good stretch.


See I'll walk it slow: Parker played bad, no one expected much, no big deal.


Kawhi played bad, is about to be paid, was expected to dominate, very big deal.




That said I care about neither.I love all my spurs and think they played their bests. Also patty mills can't run the offense.

[RD2191]

11:37
Kawhi Leonard makes 8-foot two point shot (Tony Parker assists)
2-0






10:36
Danny Green makes layup (Kawhi Leonard assists)






10:15
Tony Parker misses jumper






7:58
Tony Parker misses 19-foot jumper






7:15
Kawhi Leonard makes 14-foot two point shot






5:33
Tony Parker misses 8-foot jumper






4:58
Tony Parker personal foul (Chris Paul draws the foul)






7:33
Tony Parker misses 20-foot jumper






5:54
Kawhi Leonard makes 24-foot three point jumper (Danny Green assists)








4:56
Tony Parker bad pass (J.J. Redick steals)






1:39
Tony Parker misses 15-foot jumper






1:15
Tony Parker misses 4-foot jumper






7:24
Tony Parker misses 20-foot jumper






6:56
Chris Paul blocks Tony Parker's shot






1:51
Kawhi Leonard makes two point shot






So as we can see Kawhi started out very well. Did he shit the bed in the 4th? Yes he did. Should your starting PG who is the worst shooter in the playoffs look to get you good looks while you're hot? Yes, yes he should. It looked like it was going to be his night yet for some reason he doesn't touch the ball for a good while in the 2nd and 3rd qtrs. I wonder who had something to do with that?

[dabom]

Enrique
6.3 PER
-.067WS/48

Kawhi
19.7 PER
.142WS/48

As you can clearly see faggot. Tony was the one bringing us down you stupid fuck. :lmao

Looked like D-League material. :lmao

We'd be in the playoffs if it wasn't for that faggot. :lmao

[dabom]

I wonder how we closed out in OKC last year. O YEAH! Enrique got BENCHED you stupid fucks. :lmao

[RD2191]

I wonder how we closed out in OKC last year. O YEAH! Enrique got BENCHED you stupid fucks. :lmao
:lmao

[dabom]

Come on K... Respond already. Or too many truth nukes? :lmao

[dabom]

enrique was a sore vagina the whole year. Maybe his feelings were hurt when he didn't win FMVP last year. :lmao

[UnWantedTheory]

It wasn't JUST TP or JUST Kawhi. When you only have 2-3 guys bring it on this team you can't expect sustained success. There is a huge problem when your best player in the series is 39. We didn't play good enough as a team to win. End of story. We wouldn't have faired much better with TP riding the bench btw. Team game. Depth only matters if you continue to have it & Patty can't run the offense which has been stated by many. Sure TP sucking it up hurt the team. But so did Kawhi the last 3 games. So did Danny until game 7. Blah blah blah. Doesn't matter anymore.

[dabom]

I'm out of this stupid fucking thread.

[RD2191]

It's not like we wanted Parker to shit the bed, we were all rooting for him. So what does he do? He takes 21 shots in Game 7.

[SpurSwag]

fuck arguing who was worse between them..they were both pretty bad if i can be real, anyone saying kawhi had an overall good series is lying to themselves. I'd say the same with parker, but no one is saying he had a good series lol. Outside of 2, maybe 3 games, Kawhi was terribly outplayed by matt fucking barnes, which is pretty embarrassing. Tony getting outplayed by chris paul is to be expected, but kawhi vs. matt barnes was our biggest mismatch realistically and he fell short. Not anything that worries me moving forward, the last 3 postseasons before this one he made huge play after huge play, but he let Tim down this time.

[ChumpDumper]

Kawhi had a bad series overall.

It's OK to say that without saying anything else.

[dabom]

Kawhi had a great first 4 games and he played good in game 7. How is that a bad series faggots?

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao at the false equivalence Riquetards are doing to spin and deflect.

:cry "Tony and Kawhi both played bad!" :cry

Meanwhile, they ignore the vast difference between Kawhi having a couple off nights and Enrique being the worst rotation player in the NBA in both the regular season and playoffs :lol

[RD2191]

Kawhi had a great first 4 games and he played good in game 7. How is that a bad series faggots?
these dudes are delusional

[ChumpDumper]

I'm out of this stupid fucking thread.


Kawhi had a great first 4 games and he played good in game 7. How is that a bad series faggots?lol drama queen

[Mikeanaro]

What? and our young superstar doesnt deserve the blame for being a full piece of shit during ´03-'05 because he was soooo young but Kawhi is a turd?
Thats the double standard

[vander]

yes I would like an explanation of how Parker's +/- improved when Leonard sat, while Leonard's got worse when Parker sat...

kinda doesn't fit the TP dragged KL down argument.

[cjw]

outplayed by Matt Barnes

Exactly, it's not like he had a tough matchup on the offensive end. Paul is an elite defensive PG, Griffin a much improved defender and DeAndre being DeAndre. Timmy stepped it up nonetheless. Kawhi didn't despite having the second easiest match up on the floor.

[Brazil]

:lol usual suspects twisting this thread to fit personnal agenda and posting screen shots as expected

:lol nobody is claiming Parker played better than Kawhi that would be stupid

:lol TP on the court has nothing to do with Kawhi's performance on the defensive end where he basically allowed opponents to shoot .54, 6 pts better than RS or btw on the turnovers or the way you handle double teams

[Brazil]

What? and our young superstar doesnt deserve the blame for being a full piece of shit during ´03-'05 because he was soooo young but Kawhi is a turd?
Thats the double standard

terrible comparaison :lol

TP never was a top 10 player of the league when he was 23 y/o :lol

apple to orange comparaison

[RD2191]

:lol usual suspects twisting this thread to fit personnal agenda and posting screen shots as expected

:lol nobody is claiming Parker played better than Kawhi that would be stupid

:lol TP on the court has nothing to do with Kawhi's performance on the defensive end where he basically allowed opponents to shoot .54, 6 pts better than RS or btw on the turnovers or the way you handle double teams
Kawhi was on Redick, Paul, Griffin and Barnes. 2 superstars and a deadly 3 point shooter. Who was TP guarding besides the floor?

[Robz4000]

Damn, player fans are tearing this place apart...

[Johnny RIngo]

:lmao at the false equivalence Riquetards are doing to spin and deflect.

:cry "Tony and Kawhi both played bad!" :cry

Meanwhile, they ignore the vast difference between Kawhi having a couple off nights and Enrique being the worst rotation player in the NBA in both the regular season and playoffs :lol

http://s5.postimg.org/3tqbb461j/2015_playoffs.png

:lol worst point guard in the entire playoffs
:lol 2nd worst starter in the entire post-season

[Johnny RIngo]

http://s5.postimg.org/hooltl0gn/2015_Spurs.png

:lol $45 million for a guy that gives you worse production than Rondo

[RD2191]

http://s5.postimg.org/hooltl0gn/2015_Spurs.png

:lol $45 million for a guy that gives you worse production than Rondo
:lol

[Blizzardwizard]

Kiwi squad still out in force I see, patrolling this place 24 hours a day, ready to pounce with a spree of emoticons whenever someone posts about Parker.

[Clipper Nation]

http://s5.postimg.org/hooltl0gn/2015_Spurs.png

:lol $45 million for a guy that gives you worse production than Rondo

:lol Rondo must be feeling some type of way about Enrique still getting his playoff money for that performance.

[Johnny RIngo]

:lol Rondo must be feeling some type of way about Enrique still getting his playoff money for that performance.

Rondo's gonna look like a bargain to all NBA teams after they see how much we still owe Enrique for the next three years.

[Mikeanaro]

terrible comparaison :lol

TP never was a top 10 player of the league when he was 23 y/o :lol

apple to orange comparaison
Lets just blame Parker, he was the one dragging the team down, with him and Pop a first round exit was unavoidable.

[K...]

Hi guys, glad to see jerk off hours are still on effect.


I don't know what you guys want. Nearly everyone says Parker played bad. Smart people also see kawhi did not meet expectations. So valiant that Rob Diaz clings to his theory that Parker kills mojo. Meanwhile kawhi was up and down all sorts of ways unrelated to Parker.


It's ok to say Matt Barnes abused him! As Parker fans we've gone through many such trials and we've gotten through. Parker played good, and bad throughout his career. If he could dominate in the playoffs like people seem to expect he'd be the greatest pg of all time and a top 20 player. Instead he's a short dude who couldn't get around thabo (among others) and succumbed to age.


No matter what spin you make, it'll be hard to cut down Parker. That book has been written. You can spin your stats and spam this board but consensus nba and consensus spurs fan agree..Parker is good.



Now kawhi here. He's Jesus Christ. Born of virgin mother. Sent to save the franchise after the last prophet (Tim being Moses). Parker is Muhammed. A true prophet who was an offensive mastermind in battle. Liked women.


As we all know, Christians and Muslims agree on 90% but kill each other regardless. I think spurstalk will probably fight about this long after our two prophets retire.

[baseline bum]

Cute.

http://i.imgur.com/QceN4LR.png

[baseline bum]

:lol $45 million for a guy that gives you worse production than Smush Parker

fify

[K...]

http://i.imgur.com/QceN4LR.png

You brought stats to a jerk off party? Some guys are into kinky shit like that I guess but you really just had to call be a fsggot, that's the normal response. Enjoy your time with dabom, Johnny ringo, and fun boy Rob Diaz

[loveforthegame]

See I'll walk it slow: Parker played bad, no one expected much, no big deal.

Wait. Shouldn't we have expectations for our starting pg who makes max money?

[SnakeBoy]

So as we can see Kawhi started out very well. Did he shit the bed in the 4th? Yes he did.

I'm with you on this one Rob. Kawhi shit the bed.

[K...]

Wait. Shouldn't we have expectations for our starting pg who makes max money?

Absolutely, you'd be dumb, but absolutely. Fwiw it's not the max but a max extension. Also I'm cool with a legacy contract for a hof player.

[Johnny RIngo]

Wait. Shouldn't we have expectations for our starting pg who makes max money?

Yup. I can understand Brazil's retarded fanboyism being a surrender monkey himself. National pride's a strong force that tends to blind people from the truth. But the way this guy sucks Tony's dick. Incredible. His idol just had the worst playoffs in Spur history and he's still slurping Enrique.

[timtonymanu]

Kawhi definitely sucked to close the series. Still Kawhi at 14 million a year is still fair. Can't say the same for the 14 million PG that plays like a 3rd stringer.

[timtonymanu]

http://s5.postimg.org/hooltl0gn/2015_Spurs.png

:lol $45 million for a guy that gives you worse production than Rondo

Start Patty and bench Enrique. And we are likely talking about Game 3 vs Houston.

[Malik Hairston]

Meh, Spurs lost, everybody other than Duncan, Mills and Belinelli played below expectations, tbh..Kawhi didn't play well for the final 3 games after dominating the first part of the series, he deserves blame for not showing up later on..

The problem I have with Parker isn't that the Spurs lost and he played horribly, the problem is that he's getting paid 13 mil for terrible production and is going to begin a 3-year, huge extension when he looks finished as a starting PG in the league, unfortunately..

[loveforthegame]

Absolutely, you'd be dumb, but absolutely. Fwiw it's not the max but a max extension. Also I'm cool with a legacy contract for a hof player.

So he gets a pass for the next 3 years for past contributions. Good to know.

[Brazil]

Kawhi was on Redick, Paul, Griffin and Barnes. 2 superstars and a deadly 3 point shooter. Who was TP guarding besides the floor?

:lol absolutely and they thank Kawhi for the 6 pts they shot better during the course of the 7 games vs their RS average

[Brazil]

Lets just blame Parker, he was the one dragging the team down, with him and Pop a first round exit was unavoidable.

oh ok :lol

[RD2191]

:lol absolutely and they thank Kawhi for the 6 pts they shot better during the course of the 7 games vs their RS average
Kawhi can't do it all. He did work on Redick until Pop had him move all over the place. Sucks that he has to cover for the french piece of shit on defense, tbh.

[K...]

Kawhi can't do it all. He did work on Redick until Pop had him move all over the place. Sucks that he has to cover for the french piece of shit on defense, tbh.

HOF piece if shit to you sir

[Brazil]

http://s5.postimg.org/hooltl0gn/2015_Spurs.png

:lol $45 million for a guy that gives you worse production than Rondo

:lol again showing you understand shit about advanced stats... stop posting embarrassing screen shots

:lol Mills, Beli, Boris and Gino having better BPM, it must be because they all are better defenders than Kawhi and Green

[K...]

Also "can't do it all" is code speak for role player. Lol cripple Parker tries too hard, hero kawhi weighed down by reddick.

[ElNono]

Not sure what's the "double standard", but it's not difficult to see what happened. Neither Manu or Kawhi could elevate their games consistently enough in this series... when that happens, the Spurs normally don't have enough...

[Clipper Nation]

Also "can't do it all" is code speak for role player. Lol cripple Parker tries too hard, hero kawhi weighed down by reddick.
"K..." is code speak for "pillowbiter."

[RD2191]

"K..." is code speak for "pillowbiter."
:lmao:lmao

[Floyd Pacquiao]

http://i.imgur.com/QceN4LR.png
Holy fuck that's sad

[baseline bum]

Also "can't do it all" is code speak for role player. Lol cripple Parker tries too hard, hero kawhi weighed down by reddick.

:cry Cripple Parker :cry

:cry Injury so much worse than Chris Paul's :cry

:cry Hamstring, achilles made him get fat for the season :cry

[TheGreatYacht]

Matrix 3/23 in the last 3 second halves of the series :lol

"I want more minutes" :lol

"I promise I'll be an All-Star by my 16th season, I mean it this time" :lol

Leave of absence :lol

fanduel points :lol

going into hybernation :lol

What thread is being game-planned next?

[TheGreatYacht]

If we're talking stats, partna :toast


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[K...]

:cry Cripple Parker :cry

:cry Injury so much worse than Chris Paul's :cry

:cry Hamstring, achilles made him get fat for the season :cry

Chris Paul was at a legacy defining juncture. Parker was still high on 5, marriage, etc.


Parker is a hero to us try not so hards, us skate by on talents, we are naturally superior and don't give a fuck

[TheGreatYacht]

Is MLK High School's finest, Tony Snell, a free agent this summer tbh?

[K...]

"K..." is code speak for "pillowbiter."

Not sure this has logical bearing....It's like "clip nations means dog poo" giggle giggle

[TheGreatYacht]

http://youtu.be/hVufV7iKfRw

[Johnny RIngo]

:lol again showing you understand shit about advanced stats... stop posting embarrassing screen shots

:lol Mills, Beli, Boris and Gino having better BPM, it must be because they all are better defenders than Kawhi and Green

:lol posting +/- numbers while ignoring every advanced metric that said Tony was a fucking abomination in the playoffs
:lol blaming a dude on his rookie contract while our highest paid player performed worse than Rondo(and every other PG in the playoffs)
:lol Frenchie still damage controlling for his countryman

http://www.lawsome.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/napigleon.jpg

[apalisoc_9]

:lol posting +/- numbers while ignoring every advanced metric that said Tony was a fucking abomination in the playoffs
:lol blaming a dude on his rookie contract while our highest paid player performed worse than Rondo(and every other PG in the playoffs)
:lol Frenchie still damage controlling for his countryman

http://www.lawsome.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/napigleon.jpg

:lmao

[HI-FI]

http://i.imgur.com/QceN4LR.png
:lmao
so depressing.

[DarrinS]

You can trust your eyeballs, tbh. Parker's decision to brick his gangsta tear drop on defensive specialist J.J. Redick cost 7.

[K...]

It's called the double standard becuase you need to measure two things at once. Complex logic.


I see you can make the first point. GOOD, now take your smart pills and answer, "are we satisfied with KAwhi?" "are the kawhi haters at least somewhat right" "is my parker hate really just a women issue that i won't iron out until I'm on my second year of testosterone therapy"

[Brazil]

:lol dingo still did not understand anything about this thread
:lol dingo still can't figure out what's the screen shots he is posting mean

and then you have game planner :cry other teams will make a bigger offer to Kawhi apalisoc to the rescue... Priceless :lmao

[100%duncan]

Kawhi and to a lesser extent DG, are the ones getting most of the blame. Parker only gets criticized by us :lol


Look at it this way Kawhi was great games 1-4, decent in 5, then disappeared 6-7. What games were tony good at? Game 7 when he scored 20 pts in 21 shots and being a liability in defense?

[RD2191]

Kawhi and to a lesser extent DG, are the ones getting most of the blame. Parker only gets criticized by us :lol


Look at it this way Kawhi was great games 1-4, decent in 5, then disappeared 6-7. What games were tony good at? Game 7 when he scored 20 pts in 21 shots and being a liability in defense?
exactly

[tim_duncan_fan]

Parker's been shit since Eva, and consequently the world, found out he was trying to fuck (did fuck) Mrs. Berry. I haven't liked him much since then. Fucks team wives, shits on his own team to foreign media and doesn't bother to do anything else that might be helpful when he's having a bad shooting night. Fuck that guy.


That's not to let the future of the Spurs franchise off either. He picked some really awesome times to not be amazing/miss FTs/etc.

[mkurts]

Parker crushed by Austin Rivers

Leonard destroyed by Matt Barnes

Splitter castrated himself

Green played like he was still in Cleveland


They all helped to sink the team, but it was Parker who had issues the longest - he has been AWOL since 2013

[SASdynasty!]

Lets get this out the way.
No Kawhi =no playoffs and even then maybe a guaranteed first round sweep if we do make the playoffs. ]
No Enrique= we win more games during the season, we get a higher seed, we beat any first round opponent and we beat the clippers if we meet them. We go on to our next Finals. :lmao
I'll believe this if I ever see the Spurs win a playoff series where Kawhi is our leading scorer.

[SASdynasty!]

Parker crushed by Austin Rivers

Leonard destroyed by Matt Barnes

Splitter castrated himself

Green played like he was still in Cleveland


They all helped to sink the team, but it was Parker who had issues the longest - he has been AWOL since 2013
And by AWOL you of course mean being an All-NBA, coach-voted All-Star in 2014 who also happened to lead the Spurs in scoring and assists throughout the regular season and playoffs right?

[rasuo214]

I'll believe this if I ever see the Spurs win a playoff series where Kawhi is our leading scorer.

If Parker even had a below average series the Spurs easily win. It's kind of tough to win when one of the supposed stars on the team completely no shows the entire series.

[SASdynasty!]

If Parker even had a below average series the Spurs easily win. It's kind of tough to win when one of the supposed stars on the team completely no shows the entire series.
Lol, and I'm sure you would have been happy to post, "see, we don't need a good Parker to win."

[SASdynasty!]

If Parker even had a below average series the Spurs easily win. It's kind of tough to win when one of the supposed stars on the team completely no shows the entire series.
Parker was the 4th leading scorer, 2nd in assists, and still shot better from the field than guys like Ginobili and Green. If Parker scores 23 instead of 20 in G7 then we win. If Leonard scores 16 instead of 13 we win. If Mills doesn't go 2/6 in a closeout game, then we win. There are lots of ways to win.

[rasuo214]

Lol, and I'm sure you would have been happy to post, "see, we don't need a good Parker to win."

No, I would have been happy the team won the series. I don't care if Parker carries the team or not, but the team can't have one of its stars totally stink it up and expect to beat a quality team.

[rasuo214]

Parker was the 4th leading scorer, 2nd in assists, and still shot better from the field than guys like Ginobili and Green. If Parker scores 23 instead of 20 in G7 then we win. If Leonard scores 16 instead of 13 we win. If Mills doesn't go 2/6 in a closeout game, then we win. There are lots of ways to win.

3rd worst OffRtg and worst DefRtg on the team. 6.3 PER, 38.6 TS%, 2nd worst WS/48 (-.066). Those are awful numbers for a starter, let alone one of the star players on the team.

[baseline bum]

I'll believe this if I ever see the Spurs win a playoff series where Kawhi is our leading scorer.

Wow, off by a whole 0.2 points in a series he shot 61% in.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2014_finals.html

[SASdynasty!]

No, I would have been happy the team won the series. I don't care if Parker carries the team or not, but the team can't have one of its stars totally stink it up and expect to beat a quality team.
Of course...that's why at some point you're going to need the next guy like Kawhi to step up. Parker's been carrying this team offensively for a long time now. He's been our leading scorer in 8 of our last 12 playoff series (18.0, 18.4, 19.9, 24.5, 22.5, 22.3, 21.5, 21.0). And he's not going to average 25/5/3 on 57% shooting like he did in the 2007 Finals every series. He's not going to average 30/7 on 52% shooting every playoff series like he did against Phoenix in 2008. He's not going to average 29/7/4 on 55% shooting like he did against Dallas in 2009. He's not going to go for 25/10/4 on 53% like he did in the WCF a couple years ago. At some point he's going to have series where he's not putting up 20/7 on 50+% anymore...no one can do it forever. That's why we need guys like Kawhi to step up eventually and carry us home like Parker has for so many years when Duncan's production went down.

[SASdynasty!]

Wow, off by a whole 0.2 points in a series he shot 61% in.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2014_finals.html
He was close to being our leading scorer in one series we won...I'll give him that. But what we need is someone who's clearly our best offensive option. Think about this...in the 2009 playoffs, here's how much Parker was carrying the team: the second and third highest scorers on the team didn't COMBINE to match Parker's scoring. That's something that's never going to be asked of Kawhi. We're just hoping to see him step up offensively and carry the team now that the torch is being passed. We're not asking him to do what Parker was having to do in 2009.

[rasuo214]

Of course...that's why at some point you're going to need the next guy like Kawhi to step up. Parker's been carrying this team offensively for a long time now. He's been our leading scorer in 8 of our last 12 playoff series (18.0, 18.4, 19.9, 24.5, 22.5, 22.3, 21.5, 21.0). And he's not going to average 25/5/3 on 57% shooting like he did in the 2007 Finals every series. He's not going to average 30/7 on 52% shooting every playoff series like he did against Phoenix in 2008. He's not going to average 29/7/4 on 55% shooting like he did against Dallas in 2009. He's not going to go for 25/10/4 on 53% like he did in the WCF a couple years ago. At some point he's going to have series where he's not putting up 20/7 on 50+% anymore...no one can do it forever. That's why we need guys like Kawhi to step up eventually and carry us home like Parker has for so many years when Duncan's production went down.

Parker doesn't need to carry the team, but if he's going to start he needs to put up starter numbers. He didn't, it happens, I just hope this isn't the start of the end for Parker and it really was the injuries otherwise the team will need to find a new starting PG if they hope to succeed in the future.

I'm actually impressed the team was able to compete as well as they did all things considered because they really didn't play that well and the Clippers are one of the top teams in the league.

[rasuo214]

He was close to being our leading scorer in one series we won...I'll give him that. But what we need is someone who's clearly our best offensive option. Think about this...in the 2009 playoffs, here's how much Parker was carrying the team: the second and third highest scorers on the team didn't COMBINE to match Parker's scoring. That's something that's never going to be asked of Kawhi. We're just hoping to see him step up offensively and carry the team now that the torch is being passed. We're not asking him to do what Parker was having to do in 2009.

Well that was Parker's 8th season and the Spurs lost in the 1st round. The fact that we already have that type of expectation out of Kawhi, who is only in his 4th season and was never supposed to be an offensive star is sort of amazing and shows how much he has progressed.