Was Scottie Pippen underrated?

[Malik Hairston]

I've been doing some research for a project that examines the effects of torture on the human brain, and I chose watching 90s basketball as the source of pain..I've been watching and doing a little research, and I can't help but feel that Pippen was extremely underrated and a casualty of Jordan propaganda and hype, tbh..

Looking at the 93 to 95 Bulls:

93- title
94 without Dad Killer- 1 game away from the ECFs
95 when Dad Killer returns- lose in 6 in the semis

Was DK's impact overstated of was Scottie underrated?

Just a random example, look at Lebron's impact:

2009 Cavs- ECFs
2010 Cavs without LeBron- bottom feeder

2014 Heat- Finals
2015 Heat with Dragic, Whiteside and Deng- 38 wins

2014 Cavs- bottom feeder
2015 Cavs- Finals and potential title

I'm not going to say DK's presence was overrated, I'm sure it wasn't, but was Scottie underrated?

[AlexJones]

lefty

[RsxPiimp]

I've been doing some research for a project that examines the effects of torture on the human brain, and I chose watching 90s basketball as the source of pain..

:lmao:

[jeebus]

Michael Jordan is the GOAT.

[Alex's foreskin]

I've been doing some research for a project that examines the effects of torture on the human brain, and I chose watching 90s basketball as the source of pain..I've been watching and doing a little research, and I can't help but feel that Pippen was extremely underrated and a casualty of Jordan propaganda and hype, tbh..

Looking at the 93 to 95 Bulls:

93- title
94 without Dad Killer- 1 game away from the ECFs
95 when Dad Killer returns- lose in 6 in the semis

Was DK's impact overstated of was Scottie underrated?

Just a random example, look at Lebron's impact:

2009 Cavs- ECFs
2010 Cavs without LeBron- bottom feeder

2014 Heat- Finals
2015 Heat with Dragic, Whiteside and Deng- 38 wins

2014 Cavs- bottom feeder
2015 Cavs- Finals and potential title

I'm not going to say DK's presence was overrated, I'm sure it wasn't, but was Scottie underrated?
Though Pippen shot 40% against the Knicks that series. :lol

[ffadicted]

troll too obvious, needs more subtlety to actually catch any bait

[Alex's foreskin]

OP should have checked the numbers before making this thread.

[Thebesteva]

Lebron will never surpass Jordan, get over it dude

[Alex's foreskin]

Lebron will never surpass Jordan, get over it dude

He left the thread pretty quick.

[baseline bum]

Still, Pippen is pretty underrated because of his stint in Portland. People like to act like he was never a top 5 player in the league.

[Malik Hairston]

OP should have checked the numbers before making this thread.

:lol moron, you're arguing that the Bulls team was so stacked that they were better than when Jordan returned, despite Pippen not playing up to par, too? wow..

Is anybody going to argue why they were still very successful without Dad Killer, and were worse when he returned the following year? That's not something you typically see from other greats, tbh..

Lakers fell apart without Shaq(and the Heat immediately became a contender when Shaq joined their team) and Magic, all of Lebron's teams improve/fall apart depending on his presence, the Spurs won the title in '99, but were eliminated in the 1st round the following year without Duncan against a shitty Suns team, etc..

[sook]

Michael Jordan is the GOAT.
The man is a POS, but he is the GOAT by huge margin. Probably the most undisputed GOAT in all of sports tbh

[Malik Hairston]

Pippen had 1 shot at leading a team, and he took them to game 7 of the semis and lost to the eventual East champs that were 1 game away from winning the title..he always defended the best player on the opposing team, and he was arguably the best passing forward in the league and the best passer on those Bulls team..

All that, yet he's barely mentioned nowadays, and he's routinely ranked relatively low on all-time lists from fans and media, tbh..

For what it's worth, out of DK/Rodman/Phil/Pippen, he's the only one that hasn't completely embarrassed himself in his post-basketball career, too:lol..at least he has his dignity, I suppose..

[jeebus]

The man is a POS, but he is the GOAT by huge margin. Probably the most undisputed GOAT in all of sports tbh
True. If he was a rapist cuck or a guy who uses the bible to impregnate as many women as possible or a fat fuck who used his weight to dunk or whatever, then try to claim to be one of the best, then he's a faggot. But MJ could do all of those things and kill his family and friends and it wouldn't matter because he skullfucked the competition and made Space Jam, which gave us "hit em high".

[Alex's foreskin]

:lol moron, you're arguing that the Bulls team was so stacked that they were better than when Jordan returned, despite Pippen not playing up to par, too? wow..

Is anybody going to argue why they were still very successful without Dad Killer, and were worse when he returned the following year? That's not something you typically see from other greats, tbh..

Lakers fell apart without Shaq(and the Heat immediately became a contender when Shaq joined their team) and Magic, all of Lebron's teams improve/fall apart depending on his presence, the Spurs won the title in '99, but were eliminated in the 1st round the following year without Duncan against a shitty Suns team, etc..

It's obvious you either have an agenda or are just very retarded. You say they were worse with Jordan, though he only played in 17 games. And you leave out the fact they lost Horace Grant that year. Yet you aren't showing any numbers why Pippen is underrated.

[Alex's foreskin]

Pippen had 1 shot at leading a team, and he took them to game 7 of the semis and lost to the eventual East champs that were 1 game away from winning the title..he always defended the best player on the opposing team, and he was arguably the best passing forward in the league and the best passer on those Bulls team..

All that, yet he's barely mentioned nowadays, and he's routinely ranked relatively low on all-time lists from fans and media, tbh..

For what it's worth, out of DK/Rodman/Phil/Pippen, he's the only one that hasn't completely embarrassed himself in his post-basketball career, too:lol..at least he has his dignity, I suppose..

Show me the numbers comparing his advanced stats to Jordan's. And you say Pippen led that team by getting 22 points on 19 shots a game shooting 43% in the playoffs? While also shooting 26% from 3? Shut the fuck up biatch.

[Malik Hairston]

Show me the numbers comparing his advanced stats to Jordan's. And you say Pippen led that team by getting 22 points on 19 shots a game shooting 43% in the playoffs? While also shooting 26% from 3? Shut the fuck up biatch.

RAPM, excluding role players and players with insufficient possessions:

1994 Pippen: 4.8, #1 wing player in the league

1995 Pippen: 5.6, #1 wing player
1995 Dad Killer: 2.1, 7th among wing players

1996 Pippen: 5.4, #1 wing player
1996 DK: 5.2, #2 wing player

1997 Pippen: 4.6, #2 wing player
1997 DK: 4.3, #3 wing player

1998 Pippen: 3.5, #2 wing player
1998 DK: 3, #4 wing player

Dad Killer is the GOAT based on ability, I agree, but based on value, I don't think he was nearly as valuable to his team as some of the other top 10 all-timers, tbh..for example, it would be easier to replace him with somebody like Kobe/Lebron/Wade/maybe Drexler and the Bulls probably still win at least 4 titles, but I can't think of anybody that could have replaced Scottie outside of Lebron if he had accepted to be a sidekick(which he wouldn't), tbh..

[Alex's foreskin]

It's funny. That series against the Knicks, Pippen took 46 more shots than the next guy, only hitting 40%. While Armstrong and Grant were hitting 50 and 56%.

[Alex's foreskin]

RAPM, excluding role players and players with insufficient possessions:

1994 Pippen: 4.8, #1 wing player in the league

1995 Pippen: 5.6, #1 wing player
1995 Dad Killer: 2.1, 7th among wing players

1996 Pippen: 5.4, #1 wing player
1996 DK: 5.2, #2 wing player

1997 Pippen: 4.6, #2 wing player
1997 DK: 4.3, #3 wing player

1998 Pippen: 3.5, #2 wing player
1998 DK: 3, #4 wing player

Dad Killer is the GOAT based on ability, I agree, but based on value, I don't think he was nearly as valuable to his team as some of the other top 10 all-timers, tbh..for example, it would be easier to replace him with somebody like Kobe/Lebron/Wade/maybe Drexler and the Bulls probably still win at least 4 titles, but I can't think of anybody that could have replaced Scottie outside of Lebron if he had accepted to be a sidekick(which he wouldn't), tbh..
Why didn't you post win shares? Is it because Jordan had double the win shares?

[lefty]

He was overrated tbh

MJ made him look good


And Pippen improved thanks to MJ's ALPHAness

[daslicer]

Pippen was a great sidekick. Larry Bird once said that when Pippen plays without Jordan he's somewhere around the 10th or 12th best player in the league but with Jordan he becomes the second best player in the league. In '93 Pippen shot over 50 percent against the Knicks in the playoffs and a year later he shot 40 percent without Jordan. That to me shows how much of an impact Jordan's presence was he literally elevated everybody's games to higher levels during his championship years.

[Thread]

Michael Jordan is the GOAT.

Though he was about driven nuts thru 6 seasons before finally breaking thru. & Media tortured him thru those 6 years. Then he finally breaks thru over our dead body, get another two to make it 3 and then is thrown out of the league.

I mean Media don't talk about that like Media don't talk about your Duncan having to win his 5th a 2nd time, but, it all happened and it must be accounted for.

And here? It's where the accounting takes place.

[jeebus]

Though he was about driven nuts thru 6 seasons before finally breaking thru. & Media tortured him thru those 6 years. Then he finally breaks thru over our dead body, get another two to make it 3 and then is thrown out of the league.

I mean Media don't talk about that like Media don't talk about your Duncan having to win his 5th a 2nd time, but, it all happened and it must be accounted for.

And here? It's where the accounting takes place.
On top of spaghetti...

[Caltex2]

Pippen had 1 shot at leading a team, and he took them to game 7 of the semis and lost to the eventual East champs that were 1 game away from winning the title..he always defended the best player on the opposing team, and he was arguably the best passing forward in the league and the best passer on those Bulls team..

All that, yet he's barely mentioned nowadays, and he's routinely ranked relatively low on all-time lists from fans and media, tbh..

For what it's worth, out of DK/Rodman/Phil/Pippen, he's the only one that hasn't completely embarrassed himself in his post-basketball career, too:lol..at least he has his dignity, I suppose..

Actually, he had two shots. Pippen was the best player on a pretty stacked Portland team with a decade of championship experience under his belt. They were up 15 in the fourth quarter of a Game 7 against the Lakers in 2000 but allowed a 25-4 run over an 11-minute span to choke that away. That will always be Pippen's legacy to me. Sure, Dad Killer didn't start winning in the playoffs till he was drafted in 1987-88 but that means Pipp was a great second in command and not necessarily team leader.


The man is a POS, but he is the GOAT by huge margin. Probably the most undisputed GOAT in all of sports tbh

Eh, I'd say Babe Ruth rates up there given what he was able to do in his era.

[Splits]

Eh, I'd say Babe Ruth rates up there given what he was able to do in his era.

he said sports

[CitizenDwayne]

He's usually seen as a legend from what I've seen, not sure how he's underrated.

He was ahead of his time, though, and a blueprint for the modern SF

[Silver&Black]

he said sports

:lol

[Thread]

I'd say Babe Ruth rates up there given what he was able to do in his era.

Little Cal

What we forget about Ruth is he won 94 games as a pitcher.

[Caltex2]

Okay fine, Ruth was better than Jordan. Greatest all-around player in all of sports.

[Thebesteva]

Isn't Pippen considered one of the best 50 players of all time according to the NBA? I dont think hes underrated

[AlexJones]

:lmao Babe Ruth the fatass that hit 55 mphs fastballs out of the ballpark. So impressive

[Clipper Nation]

Isn't Pippen considered one of the best 50 players of all time according to the NBA? I dont think hes underrated
He gets talked about as an insult nowadays, a synonym for "sidekick," as if DK wasn't 182-228 career, 108-138 with the Bulls, and 2-9 in the postseason without MVPippen.

[Thebesteva]

He gets talked about as an insult nowadays, a synonym for "sidekick," as if DK wasn't 182-228 career, 108-138 with the Bulls, and 2-9 in the postseason without MVPippen.

It's like I always say about MJ, his greatest accomplishment was making everyone think that Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, Kerr, Paxson, etc were just decent role players

[Caltex2]

:lmao Babe Ruth the fatass that hit 55 mphs fastballs out of the ballpark. So impressive

He also did it when the baseball was more like a softball.

[HemisfairArena]

Better question would be,,,is Phil Jackson underrated? Seems everyone thinks he only wins with super stars but he guided that Bull team with Pippen as the main guy deep into the playoffs when Jordan was "retired".

[Caltex2]

Yeah, well superstar laden teams aren't easy to manage. Lots of egos to try and meld and get to work together. Granted Pippen was clearly beta to Dad Killer's alpha. An argument can be made for Shaq being Kobe's superior but they were more or less equal, so credit to Colonel Sanders for getting those two to work together for 2, I mean, 3 straight time reaching the podium and being declared champions in the NBA's record book.

[lefty]

he said sports
:lmao

[HemisfairArena]

Phil Jackson took that Bulls team deep into the Eastern playoffs with Pippen and Kukoc as his one two punch,,,dude is the best coach of all time. And everytime he leaves,,,the team wins shit,,,,he comes back,,,they win titles. And dude owned Pop,,,any of my fellow Spurs fans try and tell you different,,,its just bitterness and envy,,,,Jackson would never bench Duncan up 5 with 30 seconds to go with a title on the line in a game 6 on the road,,,

[lefty]

Phil Jackson took that Bulls team deep into the Eastern playoffs with Pippen and Kukoc as his one two punch,,,dude is the best coach of all time. And everytime he leaves,,,the team wins shit,,,,he comes back,,,they win titles. And dude owned Pop,,,any of my fellow Spurs fans try and tell you different,,,its just bitterness and envy,,,,Jackson would never bench Duncan up 5 with 30 seconds to go with a title on the line in a game 6 on the road,,,
Truth nukes

[Tuddy]

Pippen would be pretty average in todays game. A long athletic small forward who cant shoot.

[Alex's foreskin]

He gets talked about as an insult nowadays, a synonym for "sidekick," as if DK wasn't 182-228 career, 108-138 with the Bulls, and 2-9 in the postseason without MVPippen.

MVPippen my ass :lmao

Jordan Win Shares (Regular Season with Pippen)



YEAR

WIN SHARES

WS PER 48



87-88

21.2

.308



88-89

19.8

.292



89-90

19.0

.285



90-91

20.3

.321



91-92

17.7

.274



92-93

17.2

.270



94-95

2.3

.167



95-96

20.4

.317



96-97

18.3

.283



97-98

15.8

.238




















VS Pippen Win Shares with Jordan (RS)




YEAR

WIN SHARES

WS PER 48



87-88

2.3

.066



88-89

4.0

.080



89-90

5.7

.087



90-91

11.2

.179



91-92

12.7

.192



92-93

8.6

.132



94-95

11.8

.188



95-96

12.3

.209



96-97

13.1

.203



97-98

6.6

.193

[lefty]

MVPippen my ass :lmao

Jordan Win Shares (Regular Season with Pippen)



YEAR

WIN SHARES

WS PER 48



87-88

21.2

.308



88-89

19.8

.292



89-90

19.0

.285



90-91

20.3

.321



91-92

17.7

.274



92-93

17.2

.270



94-95

2.3

.167



95-96

20.4

.317



96-97

18.3

.283



97-98

15.8

.238




















VS Pippen Win Shares with Jordan (RS)




YEAR

WIN SHARES

WS PER 48



87-88

2.3

.066



88-89

4.0

.080



89-90

5.7

.087



90-91

11.2

.179



91-92

12.7

.192



92-93

8.6

.132



94-95

11.8

.188



95-96

12.3

.209



96-97

13.1

.203



97-98

6.6

.193




Excellent post

[ambchang]

Pippen was phenomenal. the best wing defender I've ever seen and one of the great offensive forwards. He was extremely athletic even without eastern bloc training methods, and pass, shoot, run, jump and finish ridiculously well.

Problem is that he really isn't the type of player who can lead the team to a title in the 90s. He defers too much and can be shut down with team defense focused on him.

He would be great in today's game though, like a less bulky lebron or a healthy Paul George on steroids mixed with Kawhi's defense.

[daslicer]

Pippen was phenomenal. the best wing defender I've ever seen and one of the great offensive forwards. He was extremely athletic even without eastern bloc training methods, and pass, shoot, run, jump and finish ridiculously well.

Problem is that he really isn't the type of player who can lead the team to a title in the 90s. He defers too much and can be shut down with team defense focused on him.

He would be great in today's game though, like a less bulky lebron or a healthy Paul George on steroids mixed with Kawhi's defense.

:lol

[Caltex2]

Pippen was phenomenal. the best wing defender I've ever seen and one of the great offensive forwards. He was extremely athletic even without eastern bloc training methods, and pass, shoot, run, jump and finish ridiculously well.

Problem is that he really isn't the type of player who can lead the team to a title in the 90s. He defers too much and can be shut down with team defense focused on him.

He would be great in today's game though, like a less bulky lebron or a healthy Paul George on steroids mixed with Kawhi's defense.

I say again, his legacy to me is 2000 Western Conference Finals Game 7, the fourth quarter most specifically.

[daslicer]

I say again, his legacy to me is 2000 Western Conference Finals Game 7, the fourth quarter most specifically.

I agree but I felt it was not just game 7 and that the Blazers screwed around throughout that series. They could have won both games at home and gone up 3-1 but instead went down 3-1. I attribute the Blazers messing around in that series to Pippen's poor leadership skills.

[Thread]

I agree but I felt it was not just game 7 and that the Blazers screwed around throughout that series. They could have won both games at home and gone up 3-1 but instead went down 3-1. I attribute the Blazers messing around in that series to Pippen's poor leadership skills.

...& to Kobe's strong sacroiliac. Carrying Daddy away from his own funeral pyre wasn't no picnic.

[midnightpulp]

...& to Kobe's strong sacroiliac. Carrying Daddy away from his own funeral pyre wasn't no picnic.

Nah. Kobe missed 6 FTs in that game (6-12 from the line). He was shaky and nervous.

The Blazers pretty much fell on their own sword un-abetted.

But if we should anoint a Laker hero in that game, it's Brian Shaw. Carried both Kobe and Daddy away from the pyre.

[Thread]

Nah. Kobe missed 6 FTs in that game (6-12 from the line). He was shaky and nervous.

The Blazers pretty much fell on their own sword un-abetted.

But if we should anoint a Laker hero in that game, it's Brian Shaw. Carried both Kobe and Daddy away from the pyre.

No, it was Kobe who with jacks & timbers started back down...then carried Daddy to the surface again and made the next NBA Title probable, and the 4 after that possible.

[midnightpulp]

No, it was Kobe who with jacks & timbers started back down...then carried Daddy to the surface again and made the next NBA Title probable, and the 4 after that possible.

He missed 6 FTs.

Shaw and even Horry drug you out of the fire there.

[Thread]

He missed 6 FTs.

Shaw and even Horry drug you out of the fire there.

No. It was Kobe who was the catalyst in bringing us back from the brink of extinction. He doesn't to that we lose, Media descends on Daddy like a herd of locust then turn on Kobe & I don't get to mentor you because I ain't here.

[Ghazi]

What has Lebron accomplished without Wade?

[Thread]

What has Lebron accomplished without Wade?

Or, without Amy?

[ambchang]

I say again, his legacy to me is 2000 Western Conference Finals Game 7, the fourth quarter most specifically.

When he was way past his prime and when the opposing team shoots 20+ fts in the fourth?

[Caltex2]

25-4 down the stretch, that's all I'm saying. They scored 4 points in 10 minutes with a chance to go to the NBA Finals.

[ambchang]

25-4 down the stretch, that's all I'm saying. They scored 4 points in 10 minutes with a chance to go to the NBA Finals.

Tough to score when you got hacked every possession and hard to defend when you can't get within 5 feet of the man you're defending.

Watch the tapes, it wasn't as bad as the Kings, but it was close.

[Jodelo]

he said sports

:lmao

[Caltex2]

Tough to score when you got hacked every possession and hard to defend when you can't get within 5 feet of the man you're defending.

Watch the tapes, it wasn't as bad as the Kings, but it was close.

Stop making excuses, they choked with a chance to go to the Finals, bad officiating or not. Maybe bad officiating can make a slight difference in the outcome but not 25-4 over a 10 minute span.

[Pelicans78]

Pippen was so underrated he cost the Bulls a trip to the Finals in 1990 with his awful performance against the Pistons.

[Clipper Nation]

What has Lebron accomplished without Wade?
He's dragged two atrocious lottery teams to Finals without Wade :lol

The real question is, what has Wade ever won without Shaq or LeBron carrying him? His resume as the alpha is about as bad as Kirby. Even with LeBron, he was so bad in 2013 that he needed TWO miracle clutch shots from LBJ and Ray Allen to bail out his career and legacy... then after taking the regular season off the following year, he was even worse in the playoffs :lol

[Clipper Nation]

Pippen was so underrated he cost the Bulls a trip to the Finals in 1990 with his awful performance against the Pistons.
He was so underrated that he dragged the Guests to what is still their last legit playoff run in franchise history as the alpha. Meanwhile, DK couldn't win a damn thing in his life without MVPippen :lol

[Caltex2]

He's dragged two atrocious lottery teams to Finals without Wade :lol

The real question is, what has Wade ever won without Shaq or LeBron carrying him? His resume as the alpha is about as bad as Kirby. Even with LeBron, he was so bad in 2013 that he needed TWO miracle clutch shots from LBJ and Ray Allen to bail out his career and legacy... then after taking the regular season off the following year, he was even worse in the playoffs :lol

Kirby was the Alpha to two title teams. 'Nuff said. And Wade stepped into a rebuilding situation and endured one as Shaq left.

[Caltex2]

He was so underrated that he dragged the Guests to what is still their last legit playoff run in franchise history as the alpha. Meanwhile, DK couldn't win a damn thing in his life without MVPippen :lol

He also failed to be a leader to the Guests at the most crucial moment of that playoff run.

[Alex's foreskin]

He was so underrated that he dragged the Guests to what is still their last legit playoff run in franchise history as the alpha. Meanwhile, DK couldn't win a damn thing in his life without MVPippen :lol


I know you have LeBron's nuts in your mouth to the point you look like a fucking squirrel, but you should really know what you are talking about before you post.

That Blazers' team had 7 excellent 3 point shooters, Steve Smith (39%), Damon Stoudamire (37%) Sabonis (36%). Schrempf (40%), Grant (50%), Anthony (37%), Wells (37%). Guess where Scottie's percentage was? (32%), second worst on the team next to Rasheed Wallace. Scottie was also 3rd on the team in rebounding. There were 4 players with a better PER than Pippen. Rasheed Wallace and Steve Smith scored more points in the playoffs than Pippen, Despite Pippen taking the second most shots on the team and only making 41% during the playoffs.

Pippen alienated teammates in Portland just like he did in Houston. The only place he dragged teams were down. Going back and looking at the stats, It's funny that you omit the season Pippen went to Houston. Because even with Barkley and Hakeem, Pippen shot 32% in the playoffs, while taking the most shots on the team.

[ambchang]

Stop making excuses, they choked with a chance to go to the Finals, bad officiating or not. Maybe bad officiating can make a slight difference in the outcome but not 25-4 over a 10 minute span.

Because the Lakers shot 37 FTs to 16 for the TrailBlazers, and that's throughout the game. The Lakers made that "come back" on the strength of an endless parade to the freethrow line.

They still have that game on youtube, go check it out.

It's just hilarious that whenever people try to put together a highlight reel of that 15 point comeback, nobody can actually find the plays, because who likes to watch Lakers go the FT line one after another to makeup a 15 point deficit?

[Sean Cagney]

Lebron will never surpass Jordan, get over it dude

The truth. No matter how hard he tries to convince people, NO.

[Sean Cagney]

I know you have LeBron's nuts in your mouth to the point you look like a fucking squirrel, but you should really know what you are talking about before you post.

That Blazers' team had 7 excellent 3 point shooters, Steve Smith (39%), Damon Stoudamire (37%) Sabonis (36%). Schrempf (40%), Grant (50%), Anthony (37%), Wells (37%). Guess where Scottie's percentage was? (32%), second worst on the team next to Rasheed Wallace. Scottie was also 3rd on the team in rebounding. There were 4 players with a better PER than Pippen. Rasheed Wallace and Steve Smith scored more points in the playoffs than Pippen, Despite Pippen taking the second most shots on the team and only making 41% during the playoffs.

Pippen alienated teammates in Portland just like he did in Houston. The only place he dragged teams were down. Going back and looking at the stats, It's funny that you omit the season Pippen went to Houston. Because even with Barkley and Hakeem, Pippen shot 32% in the playoffs, while taking the most shots on the team.
People only posts what suits their so called argument (There is none really). Jordan came back to a bad Wizards team for Gods sakes, Pippen on a stacked Portland team never won a thing either. If you put MJ on that 00 Portland team they ring, no way he chokes that bad in the 4th Q like Pippen did against LA. Jordan never won a thing without Pippen he said, well Pippen never won a damn thing without MJ either did he? Some of his teams were stacked as well.

[Caltex2]

I know you have LeBron's nuts in your mouth to the point you look like a fucking squirrel, but you should really know what you are talking about before you post.

That Blazers' team had 7 excellent 3 point shooters, Steve Smith (39%), Damon Stoudamire (37%) Sabonis (36%). Schrempf (40%), Grant (50%), Anthony (37%), Wells (37%). Guess where Scottie's percentage was? (32%), second worst on the team next to Rasheed Wallace. Scottie was also 3rd on the team in rebounding. There were 4 players with a better PER than Pippen. Rasheed Wallace and Steve Smith scored more points in the playoffs than Pippen, Despite Pippen taking the second most shots on the team and only making 41% during the playoffs.

Pippen alienated teammates in Portland just like he did in Houston. The only place he dragged teams were down. Going back and looking at the stats, It's funny that you omit the season Pippen went to Houston. Because even with Barkley and Hakeem, Pippen shot 32% in the playoffs, while taking the most shots on the team.

LOL, I forgot Scottie played for the Rockets. I can't decide if he or Barkley was a bigger cancer. There goes another bad part of Scottie's legacy in my book.


Because the Lakers shot 37 FTs to 16 for the TrailBlazers, and that's throughout the game. The Lakers made that "come back" on the strength of an endless parade to the freethrow line.

They still have that game on youtube, go check it out.

It's just hilarious that whenever people try to put together a highlight reel of that 15 point comeback, nobody can actually find the plays, because who likes to watch Lakers go the FT line one after another to makeup a 15 point deficit?

Just stop it. What does any of that have to do with just scoring 4 points in 10 minutes with an NBA Finals berth on the line? They choked, plain and simple. Maybe they were aided in it but I don't wanna hear any excuses, I watched that game and unlike Lakers-Kings Game 6, I don't remember any horribly biased officiating that dramatically altered play in the game.

[Infinite_limit]

He's dragged two atrocious lottery teams to Finals without Wade :lol

The real question is, what has Wade ever won without Shaq or LeBron carrying him? His resume as the alpha is about as bad as Kirby. Even with LeBron, he was so bad in 2013 that he needed TWO miracle clutch shots from LBJ and Ray Allen to bail out his career and legacy... then after taking the regular season off the following year, he was even worse in the playoffs :lol
In other words his biggest accomplishment is defeating the Pacers and Hawks

I am not impressed

[ambchang]

Just stop it. What does any of that have to do with just scoring 4 points in 10 minutes with an NBA Finals berth on the line? They choked, plain and simple. Maybe they were aided in it but I don't wanna hear any excuses, I watched that game and unlike Lakers-Kings Game 6, I don't remember any horribly biased officiating that dramatically altered play in the game.

Getting hacked on shots won't affect players from making them? Sabonis getting fouled out on TWO highly questionable calls, forcing the Blazers to put Grant on Shaq had no impact on their offense?

[Pelicans78]

He was so underrated that he dragged the Guests to what is still their last legit playoff run in franchise history as the alpha. Meanwhile, DK couldn't win a damn thing in his life without MVPippen :lol

And he cost MJ a 7th ring with his choke job in the 1990 ECFs.

[Pelicans78]

He was so underrated that he dragged the Guests to what is still their last legit playoff run in franchise history as the alpha. Meanwhile, DK couldn't win a damn thing in his life without MVPippen :lol

He wasn't even close to being their best player and that team was 10 deep and still came up small when it counted.

[Caltex2]

Getting hacked on shots won't affect players from making them? Sabonis getting fouled out on TWO highly questionable calls, forcing the Blazers to put Grant on Shaq had no impact on their offense?

With all due respect, I don't care what you say. I watched that game just like you did. Questionable officiating is a part of the game. The fact is that they came unraveled, period. Even with all they had to overcome, that team was stacked enough to still score more than 4 points in 10 minutes with a berth to the NBA Finals on the line.

[Infinite_limit]

http://forums.nba-live.com/dl_mod/thumbs/2285_00Blazersbest.jpg

[hitmanyr2k]

I say again, his legacy to me is 2000 Western Conference Finals Game 7, the fourth quarter most specifically.

34 year old, post back surgery Pippen is supposed to turn black the clock and act like he's 27 years old? His body was already breaking down by '96 from the playoff/Olympic mileage. By 2000 he was clearly wasn't the same player.

[Infinite_limit]

Blazers Up 8 with 3 minutes remaining in the 3rd Quarter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc2qE8cMCMw



Blazers up 15 with 10 minutes remaining in 4th Quarter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27vW0L8E-MI



Blazers up 15 with 6 minutes remaining in 4th Quarter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU3WRMyXw_I

[Infinite_limit]

The conclusion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldY8bcrmdPI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKLg6ewgs20

[ambchang]

With all due respect, I don't care what you say. I watched that game just like you did. Questionable officiating is a part of the game. The fact is that they came unraveled, period. Even with all they had to overcome, that team was stacked enough to still score more than 4 points in 10 minutes with a berth to the NBA Finals on the line.

Which makes you wonder why they would only be scoring 4 points in 10 minutes, no?

[Caltex2]

34 year old, post back surgery Pippen is supposed to turn black the clock and act like he's 27 years old? His body was already breaking down by '96 from the playoff/Olympic mileage. By 2000 he was clearly wasn't the same player.

Not necessarily the same player he was but he had been through all those playoff wars and was the leader of a very talented team in a crucial moment.