I've been doing some research for a project that examines the effects of torture on the human brain, and I chose watching 90s basketball as the source of pain..I've been watching and doing a little research, and I can't help but feel that Pippen was extremely underrated and a casualty of Jordan propaganda and hype, tbh..
Looking at the 93 to 95 Bulls:
93- le
94 without Dad Killer- 1 game away from the ECFs
95 when Dad Killer returns- lose in 6 in the semis
Was DK's impact overstated of was Scottie underrated?
Just a random example, look at Lebron's impact:
2009 Cavs- ECFs
2010 Cavs without LeBron- bottom feeder
2014 Heat- Finals
2015 Heat with Dragic, Whiteside and Deng- 38 wins
2014 Cavs- bottom feeder
2015 Cavs- Finals and potential le
I'm not going to say DK's presence was overrated, I'm sure it wasn't, but was Scottie underrated?
Michael Jordan is the GOAT.
Though Pippen shot 40% against the Knicks that series.
troll too obvious, needs more subtlety to actually catch any bait
OP should have checked the numbers before making this thread.
Lebron will never surpass Jordan, get over it dude
He left the thread pretty quick.
Still, Pippen is pretty underrated because of his stint in Portland. People like to act like he was never a top 5 player in the league.
Is anybody going to argue why they were still very successful without Dad Killer, and were worse when he returned the following year? That's not something you typically see from other greats, tbh..
Lakers fell apart without Shaq(and the Heat immediately became a contender when Shaq joined their team) and Magic, all of Lebron's teams improve/fall apart depending on his presence, the Spurs won the le in '99, but were eliminated in the 1st round the following year without Duncan against a ty Suns team, etc..
The man is a POS, but he is the GOAT by huge margin. Probably the most undisputed GOAT in all of sports tbh
Pippen had 1 shot at leading a team, and he took them to game 7 of the semis and lost to the eventual East champs that were 1 game away from winning the le..he always defended the best player on the opposing team, and he was arguably the best passing forward in the league and the best passer on those Bulls team..
All that, yet he's barely mentioned nowadays, and he's routinely ranked relatively low on all-time lists from fans and media, tbh..
For what it's worth, out of DK/Rodman/Phil/Pippen, he's the only one that hasn't completely embarrassed himself in his post-basketball career, too
True. If he was a rapist cuck or a guy who uses the bible to impregnate as many women as possible or a fat who used his weight to dunk or whatever, then try to claim to be one of the best, then he's a got. But MJ could do all of those things and kill his family and friends and it wouldn't matter because he skull ed the compe ion and made Space Jam, which gave us "hit em high".
It's obvious you either have an agenda or are just very re ed. You say they were worse with Jordan, though he only played in 17 games. And you leave out the fact they lost Horace Grant that year. Yet you aren't showing any numbers why Pippen is underrated.
Is anybody going to argue why they were still very successful without Dad Killer, and were worse when he returned the following year? That's not something you typically see from other greats, tbh..
Lakers fell apart without Shaq(and the Heat immediately became a contender when Shaq joined their team) and Magic, all of Lebron's teams improve/fall apart depending on his presence, the Spurs won the le in '99, but were eliminated in the 1st round the following year without Duncan against a ty Suns team, etc..
Show me the numbers comparing his advanced stats to Jordan's. And you say Pippen led that team by getting 22 points on 19 shots a game shooting 43% in the playoffs? While also shooting 26% from 3? Shut the up biatch.Pippen had 1 shot at leading a team, and he took them to game 7 of the semis and lost to the eventual East champs that were 1 game away from winning the le..he always defended the best player on the opposing team, and he was arguably the best passing forward in the league and the best passer on those Bulls team..
All that, yet he's barely mentioned nowadays, and he's routinely ranked relatively low on all-time lists from fans and media, tbh..
For what it's worth, out of DK/Rodman/Phil/Pippen, he's the only one that hasn't completely embarrassed himself in his post-basketball career, too
RAPM, excluding role players and players with insufficient possessions:
1994 Pippen: 4.8, #1 wing player in the league
1995 Pippen: 5.6, #1 wing player
1995 Dad Killer: 2.1, 7th among wing players
1996 Pippen: 5.4, #1 wing player
1996 DK: 5.2, #2 wing player
1997 Pippen: 4.6, #2 wing player
1997 DK: 4.3, #3 wing player
1998 Pippen: 3.5, #2 wing player
1998 DK: 3, #4 wing player
Dad Killer is the GOAT based on ability, I agree, but based on value, I don't think he was nearly as valuable to his team as some of the other top 10 all-timers, tbh..for example, it would be easier to replace him with somebody like Kobe/Lebron/Wade/maybe Drexler and the Bulls probably still win at least 4 les, but I can't think of anybody that could have replaced Scottie outside of Lebron if he had accepted to be a sidekick(which he wouldn't), tbh..
It's funny. That series against the Knicks, Pippen took 46 more shots than the next guy, only hitting 40%. While Armstrong and Grant were hitting 50 and 56%.
Why didn't you post win shares? Is it because Jordan had double the win shares?
Last edited by Alex's foreskin; 05-23-2015 at 06:42 PM.
He was overrated tbh
MJ made him look good
And Pippen improved thanks to MJ's ALPHAness
Pippen was a great sidekick. Larry Bird once said that when Pippen plays without Jordan he's somewhere around the 10th or 12th best player in the league but with Jordan he becomes the second best player in the league. In '93 Pippen shot over 50 percent against the Knicks in the playoffs and a year later he shot 40 percent without Jordan. That to me shows how much of an impact Jordan's presence was he literally elevated everybody's games to higher levels during his championship years.
Though he was about driven nuts thru 6 seasons before finally breaking thru. & Media tortured him thru those 6 years. Then he finally breaks thru over our dead body, get another two to make it 3 and then is thrown out of the league.
I mean Media don't talk about that like Media don't talk about your Duncan having to win his 5th a 2nd time, but, it all happened and it must be accounted for.
And here? It's where the accounting takes place.
On top of spaghetti...
Actually, he had two shots. Pippen was the best player on a pretty stacked Portland team with a decade of championship experience under his belt. They were up 15 in the fourth quarter of a Game 7 against the Lakers in 2000 but allowed a 25-4 run over an 11-minute span to choke that away. That will always be Pippen's legacy to me. Sure, Dad Killer didn't start winning in the playoffs till he was drafted in 1987-88 but that means Pipp was a great second in command and not necessarily team leader.Pippen had 1 shot at leading a team, and he took them to game 7 of the semis and lost to the eventual East champs that were 1 game away from winning the le..he always defended the best player on the opposing team, and he was arguably the best passing forward in the league and the best passer on those Bulls team..
All that, yet he's barely mentioned nowadays, and he's routinely ranked relatively low on all-time lists from fans and media, tbh..
For what it's worth, out of DK/Rodman/Phil/Pippen, he's the only one that hasn't completely embarrassed himself in his post-basketball career, too
Eh, I'd say Babe Ruth rates up there given what he was able to do in his era.
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