9 Killed in Black Church Shooting in South Carolina

[DMX7]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/18/us/charleston-south-carolina-shooting/index.html

The suspect is white and the police chief said he believed it was a hate crime (duh).

The suspect is still on the loose.


Several people were killed in a shooting at a historic African-American church in Charleston, South Carolina, a source close to the investigation told CNN.

The suspect, described as a white man, is still at large.

The shooting took place Wednesday evening at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, the oldest AME church in the South.

Police haven't said how many people have been shot. But the source who spoke to CNN said several bodies were in the church that were yet to be identified.

"It's really bad. It's a very bad scene," local pastor Thomas Dixon said.

"Apparently the person just entered the church and opened fire. That part has not been fully articulated on what happened yet ... they are still looking for the suspect."

[Nbadan]

Via twitter...

deray mckesson ‏@deray 7m7 minutes ago
In hearing that the shooter participated in the bible study, waited, then got up and shot everyone. #CharlestonShooting


https://twitter.com/deray

[HI-FI]

that's fucked up and evil. RIP to the deceased. the media will have a field day on this (racial tensions, guns etc...) while ignoring Obamatrade.

[m>s]

Race war

[cd021]

https://twitter.com/hashtag/CharlestonShooting?src=hash

dropping some truth nukes


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[SupremeGuy]

Christians killed while they were at church? I guess blake and chump are happy this morning.

[DMX7]

Christians killed while they were at church? I guess blake and chump are happy this morning.

No, atheists and agnostics don't need any further evidence of religion's fraudulent nature.

[boutons_deux]

Another FINE Repug, America's (Most Fucked Up) Mayor

Giuliani: 'We Don't Know The Motivation' Behind Charleston Shooting

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rudy-giuliani-charleston-church-shooting?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

... spewing his crap on Fox, natch

[SupremeGuy]

Another FINE Repug, America's (Most Fucked Up) Mayor

Giuliani: 'We Don't Know The Motivation' Behind Charleston Shooting

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rudy-giuliani-charleston-church-shooting?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

... spewing his crap on Fox, natch


Do you know the true motivation?

[boutons_deux]

Do you know the true motivation?

of course not. What do you think transvestite Julie Annie's sub-text is? on Fox, to its old, white, racist, male, "Christian" base? Excuse will be a bad apple, let's move on, not widespread Confederate racism in Fox red-state viewers.

[SupremeGuy]

So what you're saying is that we don't know the true motivation yet, just like he said? What part are you disagreeing with?

[boutons_deux]

So what you're saying is that we don't know the true motivation yet, just like he said? What part are you disagreeing with?

What do you think transvestite Julie Annie's sub-text is? on Fox, to its old, white, racist, male, "Christian" base? Excuse will be a bad apple, let's move on, not widespread Confederate racism in Fox red-state viewers.

[SupremeGuy]

So do you know the true motivation?

[Blake]

Christians killed while they were at church? I guess blake and chump are happy this morning.

No, it's a tragedy that their god didn't protect them from the terrorists.

But they were black so I guess half of Spurstalk just rubbed one out

[Clipper Nation]

So what you're saying is that we don't know the true motivation yet, just like he said? What part are you disagreeing with?
The part where Guiliani is a "Repug." Politics isn't a "team sport" to him, indeed.

[Spurminator]

This is fucked up.

[ChumpDumper]

Christians killed while they were at church? I guess blake and chump are happy this morning.Actually, you're the one who is happty they were murdered so you could trot out that straw man.

That's pretty disgusting of you, dude. You need to pray on that.

[The Reckoning]

sad that all the killer cop rhetoric has jaded the populace to an issue as severe as this

[boutons_deux]

sad that all the killer cop rhetoric has jaded the populace to an issue as severe as this

I expect some shithead on Fox to spew something about "black on black" crime being the bigger problem.

[CosmicCowboy]

I expect some shithead on Fox to spew something about "black on black" crime being the bigger problem.

Statistically it is. Just sayin.

[Blizzardwizard]

But but guns don't cause problems!

[CosmicCowboy]

But but guns don't cause problems!

No they don't. I have three right here in my office and a couple dozen or so in my safe that haven't ever killed anyone.

[boutons_deux]

In your faces, n!gg@s!

"Wednesday night, a white man walked into a historically black church in Charleston, South Carolina (http://www.vox.com/2015/6/17/8802547/mass-shooting-emmanuel-charleston-sc), and shot nine parishioners.

Today, a Confederate flag is flying on the grounds (https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery/status/611526127056781312) of the South Carolina statehouse in Columbia — as it does every day. While the flags on top of the statehouse itself are flying at half-mast, the Confederate flag (displayed at a Civil War memorial) is flying at full mast (https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery/status/611528083779264512).

This is more than just an awkward juxtaposition.

As Cornell historian Edward Baptist (http://history.arts.cornell.edu/faculty-department-baptist.php) explains in a series of chilling tweets, the Confederate flag isn't just a symbol of the pro-slavery rebellion, it's also a symbol of post-Civil War white supremacy — including the KKK and other groups that expressed that supremacy violently, at times by attacking black churches."

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/18/8803661/charleston-sc-shooting-confederate-flag-statehouse

The Civil War wasn't fought over slavery! :lol

[m>s]

The guy did it because he said blacks are taking over the country. You all still aren't getting the guns.

[cantthinkofanything]

that's fucked up and evil. RIP to the deceased. the media will have a field day on this (racial tensions, guns etc...) while ignoring Obamatrade.

Yep. It's a tragedy. But it's quickly going to get turned into political talking points. There is plenty of black on white hate crime committed that takes a back seat. Media and the black talking heads will eat this up.

[Spurminator]

Yep. It's a tragedy. But it's quickly going to get turned into political talking points, such as "There is plenty of black on white hate crime committed that takes a back seat. Media and the black talking heads will eat this up."

[cantthinkofanything]

LOL.

[boutons_deux]

South Carolina is home to at least 19 known hate groups


http://2d0yaz2jiom3c6vy7e7e5svk.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Confederate-memorial-Shutterstock-800x430.jpg

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/south-carolina-is-home-to-at-least-19-known-hate-groups/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[boutons_deux]

Fox & Friends Exploits South Carolina Church Shooting To Call For More Guns


http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/06/18/fox-amp-friends-exploits-south-carolina-church/204046

[boutons_deux]

In Facebook Photo, Charleston Suspect Wears Flags Of Racist African States


http://d35brb9zkkbdsd.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/circle.jpg


http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/06/18/3671202/facebook-photo-charleston-suspect-wears-flags-racist-african-states/

[Blake]

He should have put his gun on a selfie stick

[cantthinkofanything]

He should have put his gun on a selfie stick

you should put your suicide on a selfie stick

[Blake]

you should put your suicide on a selfie stick

tell your mom to get off my selfie stick #canthinkanything®

[cantthinkofanything]

tell your mom to get off my selfie stick #canthinkanything®

Weak. The correct retread would have been, "Bend over...I'll show you a selfie stick".

[SupremeGuy]

No, it's a tragedy that their god didn't protect them from the terrorists.

But they were black so I guess half of Spurstalk just rubbed one outWay to be respectful of the dead, blake.

[ChumpDumper]

Way to be respectful of the dead, blake.You made the same "joke" first, you idiot.

What is your problem, dude?

[Blake]

Weak. The correct retread would have been, "Bend over...I'll show you a selfie stick".

that's a tired rip off of culburn i.e. Thread

[DMX7]

Man, that kid looks like he's fighting some demons. At least he has been caught.

[cantthinkofanything]

that's a tired rip off of culburn i.e. Thread

sure, but it was the better response

[Blake]

Way to be respectful of the dead, blake.

well yeah, I called it a tragedy and it is one. RIP.

But I'm really disrespecting the Bible and the racist Spurstalk posters. Saying "half" might have been overboard tho tbh.

[cantthinkofanything]

Man, that kid looks like he's fighting some demons.

no racist?

[Blake]

sure, but it was the better response

I'll defer to your hee haw one liner expertise

[RD2191]

We are going to lose our gun rights because of stupid ass white racist punks.

[ChumpDumper]

We are going to lose our gun rights because of stupid ass white racist punks.No, you won't.

[RD2191]

No, you won't.
fucking obama already bringing it up, smh

[boutons_deux]

Man, that kid looks like he's fighting some demons. At least he has been caught.

... if he were black, he'd be shot 200 times.

[RD2191]

:lmaomedia already pulling the mental illness card. if this were a man of color he would be a thug!:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

fucking obama already bringing it up, smhSo what?

None of the other church shootings made a difference in gun control laws.

[boutons_deux]

Fox and other racists already tranforming the shooting from "blacks" to "killing of those persecuted Christians", the Old Lesbian from SC:

Lindsey Graham downplays race after black church shooting: People ‘looking for Christians to kill them’

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/lindsey-graham-downplays-race-after-black-church-shooting-people-looking-for-christians-to-kill-them/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[m>s]

Come and take them lefties

[FromWayDowntown]

So what?

None of the other church shootings made a difference in gun control laws.

If a dude shooting up a bunch of babies in an elementary school in Connecticut isn't enough to spur some action on gun control laws, I'm skeptical that anything ever will.

[SupremeGuy]

:lmaomedia already pulling the mental illness card. if this were a man of color he would be a thug!:lmaoDid you see his pic? That dude was obviously fucked in the head. lol Mental illness combined with prejudice is a deadly combination.

[m>s]

If a dude shooting up a bunch of babies in an elementary school in Connecticut isn't enough to spur some action on gun control laws, I'm skeptical that anything ever will.
Good bitch

[m>s]

well yeah, I called it a tragedy and it is one. RIP.

But I'm really disrespecting the Bible and the racist Spurstalk posters. Saying "half" might have been overboard tho tbh.the real tragedy is the thousands of innocent European Americans who are victims of black violence and hate crimes each year. This is just one guy and when the roles are reverse they cover up the races of the victim/attacker.

[cantthinkofanything]

the real tragedy is the thousands of innocent European Americans who are victims of black violence and hate crimes each year. This is just one guy and when the roles are reverse they cover up the races of the victim/attacker.

no racist but it's true that there is plenty of black on white hate crime, murder, and rape. Far more than 9 whites have been killed or hurt by black hate. They're just bylines in the local news and not even addressed on a national level. no racist

[DMX7]

Fox and other racists already tranforming the shooting from "blacks" to "killing of those persecuted Christians", the Old Lesbian from SC:

Lindsey Graham downplays race after black church shooting: People ‘looking for Christians to kill them’

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/lindsey-graham-downplays-race-after-black-church-shooting-people-looking-for-christians-to-kill-them/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29




That's shameless... it's so obvious it was a racial hate crime.

[DMX7]

So what?

None of the other church shootings made a difference in gun control laws.

And neither is this one.

[boutons_deux]

Fox News: Gun-Free Zones Committed That Hate Crime In Charleston

Professional gunhumper and FoxNews.com columnist John R. Lott explains:


The horrible tragedy last night that left nine people dead at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, S.C., probably could have been avoided. Like so many other attacks, the massacre took place in a gun-free zone, (http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/2015/06/another-shooting-in-a-gun-free-zone-nine-dead-at-the-charleston-african-american-church/) a place where the general public was banned from having guns. The gun-free zone obviously didn’t stop the killer from bringing a gun into the church.


http://wonkette.com/588753/fox-news-gun-free-zones-committed-that-hate-crime-in-charleston

[boutons_deux]

Right-wing Twitter rages: How dare Obama blame Charleston massacre on guns when it’s clearly his fault

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/18/right_wing_twitter_rages_how_dare_obama_blame_char leston_massacre_on_guns_when_its_clearly_his_fault/

[cantthinkofanything]

Right-wing Twitter rages: How dare Obama blame Charleston massacre on guns when it’s clearly his fault

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/18/right_wing_twitter_rages_how_dare_obama_blame_char leston_massacre_on_guns_when_its_clearly_his_fault/

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/489/972/480.gif

[Splits]

Obviously we need more guns in church.

Why is this not called terrorism? If he admits to being a Muslim would that help?

[Nbadan]

I never heard him say anything, but just he had that kind of Southern pride, I guess some would say. Strong conservative beliefs," he (Mullins, Roof's former classmate) said. "He made a lot of racist jokes, but you don't really take them seriously like that. You don't really think of it like that."



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/18/everything-known-about-charleston-church-shooting-suspect-dylann-roof.html

[Nbadan]

Thug..

https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_908w/2010-2019/Wires/Images/2015-06-18/Reuters/2015-06-18T153746Z_01_TOR600R_RTRIDSP_3_USA-SHOOTING-SOUTH-CAROLINA.jpg

[Nbadan]

The wackadoos in full wachadoo mode today...

http://i62.tinypic.com/1zme92a.jpg

Fox News: Charleston shooting is an attack on faith, not race—calls for pastors to arm themselves
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/18/1394261/-Fox-News-Charleston-shooting-is-an-attack-on-faith-not-race-calls-for-pastors-to-arm-themselves

Fox’s Steve Doocy and Guest Wonder Whether Charleston Shooting Part of ‘War on Christians’
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-steve-doocy-and-guest-wonder-whether-charleston-shooting-part-of-war-on-christians/

Rick Santorum: Charleston Shooting ‘Assault on Our Religious Liberty’
http://www.mediaite.com/online/rick-santorum-charleston-shooting-assault-on-our-religious-liberty/

[admiralsnackbar]

Race war War implies organized groups. This is just mental illness.

[Nbadan]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHyfvq6WEAA6G0Q.png

[boutons_deux]

War implies organized groups. This is just mental illness.

thanks, Doc. You're tele-diagnosis is certainly impeccable.

[CosmicCowboy]

I just love these Fox news memes. They take one guy's opinion out of a panel of 4 diverse opinions out of context and claim it's Fox's position on a subject. The memes are just as stupid as the people that post them.

[boutons_deux]

Rand Paul: Shootings Like Charleston Can't Be 'Fixed By Government'
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/charleston-shooting-rand-paul-government?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

yep, smaller govt is the answer to everything. Let's let gun sellers, owners, buyers self-regulate, sorta like KY eye docs do.

[TheSanityAnnex]

put this asshole in the general population asap and let them handle this. No need for him to make it to trial.

And some of the comments in these two threads are sickening.

[Nbadan]

I just love these Fox news memes. They take one guy's opinion out of a panel of 4 diverse opinions out of context and claim it's Fox's position on a subject. The memes are just as stupid as the people that post them.

it may or may not be the majority opinion at FoxNews yet.....but it will be what every wachadoo is talking about at dinner tonight....

[admiralsnackbar]

thanks, Doc. You're tele-diagnosis is certainly impeccable. :lol Thanks for not copy-pasting a reply, nitwit.

[boutons_deux]

Rick Santorum Worried Gays Won’t Let America Pray For Charleston Shooting Victims

http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/santorum-cone.jpg Devout Catholic rightwingnut sucking big brown one.

“You talk about the importance of prayer at this time, but we’re now seeing assaults on religious liberty like we’ve never seen before.”

http://wonkette.com/588779/rick-santorum-worried-gays-wont-let-america-pray-for-charleston-shooting-victims

[cantthinkofanything]

Rick Santorum Worried Gays Won’t Let America Pray For Charleston Shooting Victims

http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/santorum-cone.jpg Devout Catholic rightwingnut sucking big brown one.

“You talk about the importance of prayer at this time, but we’re now seeing assaults on religious liberty like we’ve never seen before.”

http://wonkette.com/588779/rick-santorum-worried-gays-wont-let-america-pray-for-charleston-shooting-victims



LOLZ. Didn't read anything but that's an unfortunate pic.

[Nbadan]

“You have to go,” witnesses quoted Roof as telling his helpless targets.

“He just said, 'I have to do it,’” said Sylvia Johnson, Pinckney's cousin, after speaking to witnesses.

“He said, 'You rape our women, and you're taking over our country,'" she recounted to MSNBC.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/charleston-church-gunman-sat-hour-attack-article-1.2262222

[Nbadan]

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2262333.1434636064!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/article-church12-0618.jpg?enlarged

A Facebook photo showed the demented mass murder suspect glaring into the camera while wearing a black jacket decorated with an apartheid-era South African flag.

[Spurminator]

So the Left believes it's systemic racism, the Right believes it's an attack on Christianity.

It's going to be a fun few weeks on the Internet...

[CosmicCowboy]

Rand Paul: Shootings Like Charleston Can't Be 'Fixed By Government'
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/charleston-shooting-rand-paul-government?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

yep, smaller govt is the answer to everything. Let's let gun sellers, owners, buyers self-regulate, sorta like KY eye docs do.





Governments can't fix crazy people and if they did lock up everyone that appeared they might be crazy you would be in fucking jail already.

[Nbadan]

So the Left believes it's systemic racism, the Right believes it's an attack on Christianity.

It's going to be a fun few weeks on the Internet...

yep...all those anti-christian post on his facebook page point at religious intolerance....

[tlongII]

it may or may not be the majority opinion at FoxNews yet.....but it will be what every wachadoo is talking about at dinner tonight....

That it's a crime against Christians? You really think so? I don't.

[Nbadan]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHxRX2zVAAAHNqB.jpg

[Nbadan]

Look at his license 'specialty' plates...

http://s30.postimg.org/if6e7hxq9/Shooter_photo.jpg

[Nbadan]

https://progressivecynic.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/141015-nikki-haley-gives-utterly-bizarre-reason-for-keeping-confederate-flag.jpg

[Nbadan]

Had somebody in that church had a gun, they probably would have been able to stop him,” host Steve Doocy remarked. “If somebody was there, they would have had the opportunity to pull out their weapon and take him out.”..

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/06/18/3671110/state-gun-laws-south-carolina/

[CosmicCowboy]

That is true. Good chance...especially off to the side or behind him.

[Nbadan]

South Carolina's Confederate flag is still flying. It's an insult to Charleston's victims.
http://www.vox.com/2015/6/18/8803661/charleston-sc-shooting-confederate-flag-statehouse


Wednesday night, a white man walked into a historically black church in Charleston, South Carolina, and shot nine parishioners. Today, a Confederate flag is flying on the grounds of the South Carolina statehouse in Columbia — as it does every day. While the flags on top of the statehouse itself are flying at half-mast, the Confederate flag (displayed at a Civil War memorial) is flying at full mast.

This is more than just an awkward juxtaposition. As Cornell historian Edward Baptist explains in a series of chilling tweets, the Confederate flag isn't just a symbol of the pro-slavery rebellion, it's also a symbol of post-Civil War white supremacy — including the KKK and other groups that expressed that supremacy violently, at times by attacking black churches. That it's flying today, after what Charleston police are describing as a hate crime, is profoundly ugly:

The flag is still a live controversy in South Carolina. In October 2014, Governor Nikki Haley defended it as unproblematic for the state's business, saying, "I can honestly say I have not had one conversation with a single CEO about the Confederate flag."


So will Nikki be flying it at half-mast?

[Winehole23]

more info on the victims:

http://mashable.com/2015/06/18/charleston-shooting-victims/

[Nbadan]

Top Ten differences between White Terrorists and Others


1. White terrorists are called “gunmen.” What does that even mean? A person with a gun? Wouldn’t that be, like, everyone in the US? Other terrorists are called, like, “terrorists.”

2. White terrorists are “troubled loners.” Other terrorists are always suspected of being part of a global plot, even when they are obviously troubled loners.

3. Doing a study on the danger of white terrorists at the Department of Homeland Security will get you sidelined by angry white Congressmen. Doing studies on other kinds of terrorists is a guaranteed promotion.

4. The family of a white terrorist is interviewed, weeping as they wonder where he went wrong. The families of other terrorists are almost never interviewed.

5. White terrorists are part of a “fringe.” Other terrorists are apparently mainstream.

6. White terrorists are random events, like tornadoes. Other terrorists are long-running conspiracies.

7. White terrorists are never called “white.” But other terrorists are given ethnic affiliations.

8. Nobody thinks white terrorists are typical of white people. But other terrorists are considered paragons of their societies.

9. White terrorists are alcoholics, addicts or mentally ill. Other terrorists are apparently clean-living and perfectly sane.

10. There is nothing you can do about white terrorists. Gun control won’t stop them. No policy you could make, no government program, could possibly have an impact on them. But hundreds of billions of dollars must be spent on police and on the Department of Defense, and on TSA, which must virtually strip search 60 million people a year, to deal with other terrorists.

http://www.juancole.com/2012/08/top-ten-differences-between-white-terrorists-and-others.html

[cantthinkofanything]

Top Ten differences between White Terrorists and Others



http://www.juancole.com/2012/08/top-ten-differences-between-white-terrorists-and-others.html


You're being part of the problem.

[boutons_deux]

44 states could prosecute the Charleston shooting as a hate crime — but not South Carolina
http://www.vox.com/2015/6/18/8807655/charleston-shooting-hate-crime

[Nbadan]

You're being part of the problem.

:rolleyes

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/19/us/on-facebook-dylann-roof-charleston-suspect-wears-symbols-of-white-supremacy.html?_r=0


CHARLESTON, S.C. — The Facebook profile picture chosen by Dylann Storm Roof in May is thick with symbolism. It shows Mr. Roof, a scowling young white man, against a distinctly Southern backdrop: a swamp dripping with Spanish moss. His black jacket is adorned with two flags — one from apartheid-era South Africa, the other from white-ruled Rhodesia — that have been adopted as emblems by modern-day white supremacists.

[admiralsnackbar]

44 states could prosecute the Charleston shooting as a hate crime — but not South Carolina http://www.vox.com/2015/6/18/8807655/charleston-shooting-hate-crime He killed 9 people. Hate-crime laws would only be a distraction from the fucking tragedy this schmuck wrought. He's going to get life... is it really necessary to tack on more theoretical years to the sentence for the benefit of political correctness?

[Spurminator]

...sigh

611588854579986432

[admiralsnackbar]

Do critical-minded people actually entertain anything Alex Jones says?

[m>s]

Alex jones is a lot more credible than the leftist media who has been caught lying time and time again. Rememba det time Assad used chemical weapons or when gaddafi needed to be murdered for the good of his people? It is strange that the guy just created the Facebook account in 2015 is so. We all know they want the guns and are extra butt blasted that sandy hook failed to deliver.

[boutons_deux]

Do critical-minded people actually entertain anything Alex Jones says?

AJ is just another gift from Texas to America.

[boutons_deux]

Chris Cuomo Tweets, Maybe Suspect is Not White (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/18/1394307/-Chris-Cuomo-Tweets-Maybe-Suspect-is-Not-White)


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/18/1394307/-Chris-Cuomo-Tweets-Maybe-Suspect-is-Not-White?detail=email#

[Blake]

He killed 9 people. Hate-crime laws would only be a distraction from the fucking tragedy this schmuck wrought. He's going to get life... is it really necessary to tack on more theoretical years to the sentence for the benefit of political correctness?

Yeah that.

[Blake]

Alex jones is a lot more credible than the leftist media who has been caught lying time and time again. Rememba det time Assad used chemical weapons or when gaddafi needed to be murdered for the good of his people? It is strange that the guy just created the Facebook account in 2015 is so. We all know they want the guns and are extra butt blasted that sandy hook failed to deliver.

So who was behind the new Facebook account? Righty or lefty?

[Spurminator]

It is strange that the guy just created the Facebook account in 2015 is so.

Yeah, he was one of only over 100 million people to create a Facebook account in the past year.

[Blizzardwizard]

Watching all the right wingers scramble for explanations is more sad than anything else.

Rand Paul trying to somehow blame the government as expected :lol

"The government won't keep people safe, but our constitution papers will! :cry"

[DMX7]

Alex jones is a lot more credible than the leftist media who has been caught lying time and time again.

LMAO

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[Blizzardwizard]

LMAO

QtCiJfq87_c

Frank Underwood let himself go..

[Spurminator]

LA LA LA LA LA stop talking about hatred, he was sick!

611647125856718851

I mean, couldn't we talk about both?

[DMX7]

LA LA LA LA LA stop talking about hatred, he was sick!

611647125856718851

I mean, couldn't we talk about both?

I guess Lou just wants to talk about himself.

[m>s]

So who was behind the new Facebook account? Righty or lefty?
The kikes

[Spurminator]

Killer: "I am killing you because racism."

Right Wing Pundits: "Why are we talking about racism?"

[mingus]

Having lived in the Bible Belt before, unfortunately, you see this as no surprise. The amount of hate that A LOT of those redneck, confederate flag waving fucks have for everything non-white, non-Christian, non-"Amurican" is fucked up. I think anyone that espouses and therefore enables that shit has blood on their hands.

[Blizzardwizard]

I see a certain Clipper Nation has totally evaded this thread. The gun nuts are scrambling, I almost feel sorry for them. Please come in here and :downspin: to try and even things up.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I see a certain Clipper Nation (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=28500) has totally evaded this thread. The gun nuts are scrambling, I almost feel sorry for them. Please come in here and :downspin: to try and even things up.

confirmed gun nut checking in. There is nothing to spin nor am I scrambling. A racist killed people, fuck him. My thoughts are with all the families. I hope he is killed in jail and doesn't see the inside of a courtroom. Not surprising though to see a liberal making this about politics before the bodies are even buried, stay classy.

[m>s]

Having lived in the Bible Belt before, unfortunately, you see this as no surprise. The amount of hate that A LOT of those redneck, confederate flag waving fucks have for everything non-white, non-Christian, non-"Amurican" is fucked up. I think anyone that espouses and therefore enables that shit has blood on their hands.
Found the kike

[DMX7]

Found the kike

Are you this way when you're not on the internet?

[m>s]

Are you this way when you're not on the internet?
Calling out Christian haters and anti whites? Dude id punch his little punk ass in the mouth, this is the tame version.

[RD2191]

This dude got the adam Lanza haircut, I'd be pissed too.

[m>s]

This dude got the adam Lanza haircut, I'd be pissed too.
He can always get a haircut but will the shit wash off your skin?

[Blake]

The kikes

or just the one dude

[RD2191]

He can always get a haircut but will the shit wash off your skin?
I almost 100% certain my skin is whiter than yours.

[m>s]

I almost 100% certain my skin is whiter than yours.
What difference would that make? Whites would still be superior

[RD2191]

What difference would that make? Whites would still be superior
Lol. Yeah, sure.

[Clipper Nation]

I see a certain Clipper Nation (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=28500) has totally evaded this thread. The gun nuts are scrambling, I almost feel sorry for them. Please come in here and :downspin: to try and even things up.
I see the anti-gun nuts have already co-opted a tragedy for their feels-over-reals agenda. You guys don't even have the decency to wait for the bodies to cool off anymore before starting up with your garbage.

[m>s]

Yeah but they aren't getting them, period. Just look at the little sissies who would have to come and take them. Obama better hurry up with that domestic defense force he's always talked about because the army and police won't go along with it.

[Aztecfan03]

Fox News: Gun-Free Zones Committed That Hate Crime In Charleston

Professional gunhumper and FoxNews.com columnist John R. Lott explains:

The horrible tragedy last night that left nine people dead at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, S.C., probably could have been avoided. Like so many other attacks, the massacre took place in a gun-free zone, (http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/2015/06/another-shooting-in-a-gun-free-zone-nine-dead-at-the-charleston-african-american-church/) a place where the general public was banned from having guns. The gun-free zone obviously didn’t stop the killer from bringing a gun into the church.


http://wonkette.com/588753/fox-news-gun-free-zones-committed-that-hate-crime-in-charleston

Can you at least keep it to articles that aren't trying to be satire?

[Blizzardwizard]

confirmed gun nut checking in. There is nothing to spin nor am I scrambling. A racist killed people, fuck him. My thoughts are with all the families. I hope he is killed in jail and doesn't see the inside of a courtroom. Not surprising though to see a liberal making this about politics before the bodies are even buried, stay classy.

No don't try to score political points by taking the 'let's make this about morals so we don't have to talk about gun laws" stance. You can respect the dead but you have to address the issue also. For some reason all the conservative figure heads seem to be conveniently forgetting to talk about why this happened, playing the 'moral' game to avoid any and all debates over gun laws. If conservatives had any respect for those who have died they'd take action, open their eyes and realise that absolute fuckin' loonies shouldn't be in possession of guns instead of sitting back and doing nothing.

*Not liberal, also.

[Blizzardwizard]

I see the anti-gun nuts have already co-opted a tragedy for their feels-over-reals agenda. You guys don't even have the decency to wait for the bodies to cool off anymore before starting up with your garbage.

Thanks, this was needed :downspin: Surely the decent ones, like Obama, are the ones who are getting off their asses immediately to question current gun laws instead of the ones who are 'mourning the dead' but will do absolutely nothing to prevent a similar event happening again.

[Aztecfan03]

Rick Santorum Worried Gays Won’t Let America Pray For Charleston Shooting Victims

http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/santorum-cone.jpg Devout Catholic rightwingnut sucking big brown one.

“You talk about the importance of prayer at this time, but we’re now seeing assaults on religious liberty like we’ve never seen before.”

http://wonkette.com/588779/rick-santorum-worried-gays-wont-let-america-pray-for-charleston-shooting-victims



Again, keep the discussion away from intentionally satirical articles.

[Aztecfan03]

So the Left believes it's systemic racism, the Right believes it's an attack on Christianity.

It's going to be a fun few weeks on the Internet...

most of the right doesn't believe that. It is obvious that it his racism was his motivation.

[Clipper Nation]

Thanks, this was needed :downspin: Surely the decent ones, like Obama, are the ones who are getting off their asses immediately to question current gun laws instead of the ones who are 'mourning the dead' but will do absolutely nothing to prevent a similar event happening again.
The "decent ones" apparently are the ones who want to disarm law-abiding citizens (while murderers and terrorists ignore it like they ignore all our other laws), make the rates of strangulation, stabbing, and beating deaths go up, all so they can claim the Pyrrhic victory of a miniscule decline (if that) in gun deaths. Yep, if only we all could be "decent" enough to use the corpses of innocent people to push an unconstitutional fascist agenda.

[m>s]

No don't try to score political points by taking the 'let's make this about morals so we don't have to talk about gun laws" stance. You can respect the dead but you have to address the issue also. For some reason all the conservative figure heads seem to be conveniently forgetting to talk about why this happened, playing the 'moral' game to avoid any and all debates over gun laws. If conservatives had any respect for those who have died they'd take action, open their eyes and realise that absolute fuckin' loonies shouldn't be in possession of guns instead of sitting back and doing nothing.

*Not liberal, also.
Why did it happen? Because the media has been stoking racial tensions like never before the past couple of years. They finally got their wish. Any proposed restrictions wouldn't have stopped this guy from getting a gun.

[TheSanityAnnex]

No don't try to score political points by taking the 'let's make this about morals so we don't have to talk about gun laws" stance. You can respect the dead but you have to address the issue also. For some reason all the conservative figure heads seem to be conveniently forgetting to talk about why this happened, playing the 'moral' game to avoid any and all debates over gun laws. If conservatives had any respect for those who have died they'd take action, open their eyes and realise that absolute fuckin' loonies shouldn't be in possession of guns instead of sitting back and doing nothing.

*Not liberal, also.
Explain to me what gun law would have stopped this.

[Blizzardwizard]

The "decent ones" apparently are the ones who want to disarm law-abiding citizens (while murderers and terrorists ignore it like they ignore all our other laws), make the rates of strangulation, stabbing, and beating deaths go up, all so they can claim the Pyrrhic victory of a miniscule decline (if that) in gun deaths. Yep, if only we all could be "decent" enough to use the corpses of innocent people to push an unconstitutional fascist agenda.

Fascist agenda :lol
You know someone's scrambled when they use fascism for something that clearly is nothing of the sort. This guy was a 'law-abiding citizen' before the crime, meaning he could acquire a gun with no checks whatsoever before proceeding to murder nine people. Everyone's a 'law abiding citizen' before they commit a crime.

Miniscule decline in gun deaths :lol That's so wrong and you know it. Fatal gun crimes are far higher in the U.S. than the vast majority of 1st world countries with strict gun laws. And that argument that removing guns will mean only criminals will have guns is bs too. Making it illegal to own a firearm would mean that any guns available on the black would sky rocket in price because of the lack of guns in the country, and no criminal is going to spend thousands and thousands to acquire weapons just to kill someone. Also, not using the corpses. I've pushed this for a long ass time, difference being conservatives only talk 'moral' but make no moral actions.

[m>s]

lol no checks so how would they stop him? He didn't have any felonies that I've heard of. And hypothetically say they did stop him, Jamal would have sold him one on the street for half the price so he could go shoot other jamals.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Fascist agenda :lol
You know someone's scrambled when they use fascism for something that clearly is nothing of the sort. This guy was a 'law-abiding citizen' before the crime, meaning he could acquire a gun with no checks whatsoever before proceeding to murder nine people. Everyone's a 'law abiding citizen' before they commit a crime.

Miniscule decline in gun deaths :lol That's so wrong and you know it. Fatal gun crimes are far higher in the U.S. than the vast majority of 1st world countries with strict gun laws. And that argument that removing guns will mean only criminals will have guns is bs too. Making it illegal to own a firearm would mean that any guns available on the black would sky rocket in price because of the lack of guns in the country, and no criminal is going to spend thousands and thousands to acquire weapons just to kill someone. Also, not using the corpses. I've pushed this for a long ass time, difference being conservatives only talk 'moral' but make no moral actions.
He had a felony charge on his record you stupid twat. For fucks sake do some research before spouting your bullshit.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The more I read on this the more I'm confused. Close friends of his interviewed were black and he had lots of black friends in his Facebook. Curious to find out if he was on any meds.

[Blizzardwizard]

Explain to me what gun law would have stopped this.

Anyone with recent run-ins with the law, say last 5 years, should either have to pass extensive tests to prove fitness to carry a firearm or not own a gun at all. This guy was involved with substance abuse and was was arrested on drug charges. This guy shouldn't have owned a gun. Easy.

[Clipper Nation]

Fascist agenda :lol
You know someone's scrambled when they use fascism for something that clearly is nothing of the sort.
Fascism = authoritarian government. Confiscating people's lawfully-owned private property is authoritarian. Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Pol Pot, and Castro all instituted strict gun bans.


This guy was a 'law-abiding citizen' before the crime, meaning he could acquire a gun with no checks whatsoever before proceeding to murder nine people. Everyone's a 'law abiding citizen' before they commit a crime.
This "logic" could be used to ban anything that could possibly kill someone.

"Everyone's a law-abiding driver until they get drunk and mow people down! Ban all cars!"

"Everyone's a law-abiding knife owner unfil they stab somebody! Ban all knives!"


Fatal gun crimes are far higher in the U.S. than the vast majority of 1st world countries with strict gun laws.
Just in Europe alone I can think of a few examples where this is false. I posted a study on it about a month or so ago and surprise, surprise, all you libtards just ignored it or deflected.


And that argument that removing guns will mean only criminals will have guns is bs too. Making it illegal to own a firearm would mean that any guns available on the black would sky rocket in price because of the lack of guns in the country, and no criminal is going to spend thousands and thousands to acquire weapons just to kill someone.
By that logic, you'd think drugs would be too expensive for the average person to afford. Instead, they're extremely prevalent and easy to get if you're into that kind of thing. Alcohol was no different when we tried to ban that. Guns would be no different.

[Blizzardwizard]

He had a felony charge on his record you stupid twat. For fucks sake do some research before spouting your bullshit.

:cry :cry

This guy, despite his charge, was viewed as a law-abiding citizen by the United States of America when he owned the gun and in the days leading up to his actions. You're just proving my point. The fact that he had a felony charge and still owned a gun without any background checks on him proves that current gun laws are a shambles and the 2nd Amendment is a fucking death warrant.

Fuck. You.

[m>s]

He had a felony charge on his record you stupid twat. For fucks sake do some research before spouting your bullshit.
Did he really? I stand corrected. So he didn't even obtain it legally.

[Clipper Nation]

Did he really? I stand corrected. So he didn't even obtain it legally.
:cry But, but, banning guns totally would have stopped this guy! :cry

[ChumpDumper]

What difference would that make? Whites would still be superiorWhy do you come across as completely inferior to just about everyone here?

[ChumpDumper]

Just in Europe alone I can think of a few examples where this is false. I posted a study on it about a month or so ago and surprise, surprise, all you libtards just ignored it or deflected.Could you find that again? I as hearing differently on the radio.

[m>s]

:cry But, but, banning guns totally would have stopped this guy! :cry
We need do do something about this gosh darn it :cry everyone knows that someone who would break the law to commit murder wouldn't dare purchase a gun off the streets. Even murderes have an honor code, always commit crimes with store bought guns only

[Blake]

Did he really? I stand corrected. So he didn't even obtain it legally.

Tsa thinks you're a stupid twat

[Blizzardwizard]

Fascism = authoritarian government. Confiscating people's lawfully-owned private property is authoritarian. Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Pol Pot, and Castro all instituted strict gun bans.


This "logic" could be used to ban anything that could possibly kill someone.

"Everyone's a law-abiding driver until they get drunk and mow people down! Ban all cars!"

"Everyone's a law-abiding knife owner unfil they stab somebody! Ban all knives!"


Just in Europe alone I can think of a few examples where this is false. I posted a study on it about a month or so ago and surprise, surprise, all you libtards just ignored it or deflected.


By that logic, you'd think drugs would be too expensive for the average person to afford. Instead, they're extremely prevalent and easy to get if you're into that kind of thing. Alcohol was no different when we tried to ban that. Guns would be no different.

Please, englighten me, find me a source that isn't from a deranged rightwing blog, something with credit, that suggests that strengthening gun laws is fascist.

In which countries within Europe that possess strict gun laws are gun deaths higher than the U.S.?

You can't possibly compare small bags of Heroin that you get off the street cheap to assault rifles or shotguns. So you think criminals would just hand around weapons for tiny prices?

Oh goodness, the ol' "if you want to ban guns you should ban all cars and knives too!" chestnut. You're running low on attacks aren't you?

[Blake]

What the fuck:


South Carolina is one of 42 states that do not require background checks for private gun transactions, like the one that allegedly took place between Roof and his father. Gun control activists call this the “private sale” loophole.It’s illegal to give guns to felons or people with felony indictments — but that’s only if you know about their criminal records. In South Carolina, you don’t have to ask,*so*private citizens can more or less freely exchange guns.....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/06/18/the-legal-loophole-that-allowed-dylann-roof-to-get-a-gun/

So he got it because of shitty state law

[m>s]

^lol hey Britain actually did that, banning knives. Sup piers go home.

[m>s]

Gun control isn't fascist by nature at all, hitler relaxed gun control laws for Germans when he came to power. Fascists governments draw their power from the will of the national body and have no need to disarm them because they are both working together to achieve the same ends. There is no class or any type of divisions for that matter in national socialism. The government doesn't fear the people, the people don't fear the government.

[Clipper Nation]

Please, englighten me, find me a source that isn't from a deranged rightwing blog, something with credit, that suggests that strengthening gun laws is fascist.
In the words of fascist dictators themselves:

Hitler: "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms."

Stalin: "If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves."

Mao: "All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns."

Mussolini: "I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind."

Castro: "Guns? For what?"


In which countries within Europe that possess strict gun laws are gun deaths higher than the U.S.?
Russia's murder rate until recently was four times higher than the US despite having some of the strictest gun laws in the world. They finally responded by allowing citizens to own firearms for self-defense because gun control clearly didn't work.

Bonus stats:

The nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population).

Norway has the highest rate of gun ownership in Western Europe, yet possesses the lowest murder rate. In contrast, Holland’s murder rate is nearly the worst, despite having the lowest gun ownership rate in Western Europe.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

[Clipper Nation]

Oh goodness, the ol' "if you want to ban guns you should ban all cars and knives too!" chestnut. You're running low on attacks aren't you?

From your own country:

http://i.imgur.com/17e9Hwk.png

http://i.imgur.com/eki7O7W.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QByebyr.jpg

[TheSanityAnnex]

Anyone with recent run-ins with the law, say last 5 years, should either have to pass extensive tests to prove fitness to carry a firearm or not own a gun at all. This guy was involved with substance abuse and was was arrested on drug charges. This guy shouldn't have owned a gun. Easy.
You've failed to tell me what new gun law would have stopped this. Try again.

[TheSanityAnnex]

:cry :cry

This guy, despite his charge, was viewed as a law-abiding citizen by the United States of America when he owned the gun and in the days leading up to his actions. You're just proving my point. The fact that he had a felony charge and still owned a gun without any background checks on him proves that current gun laws are a shambles and the 2nd Amendment is a fucking death warrant.

Fuck. You.
You are not a law abiding citizen if you carry around a felony charge you stupid twat.

[TheSanityAnnex]

What the fuck:



So he got it because of shitty state law
WTF did you even read your own post? His Dad knew of his charge and broke the law and should be charged as an accessory to murder.

[Blizzardwizard]

In the words of fascist dictators themselves:

Hitler: "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms."

Stalin: "If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves."

Mao: "All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns."

Mussolini: "I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind."

Castro: "Guns? For what?"


Russia's murder rate until recently was four times higher than the US despite having some of the strictest gun laws in the world. They finally responded by allowing citizens to own firearms for self-defense because gun control clearly didn't work.

Bonus stats:

The nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population).

Norway has the highest rate of gun ownership in Western Europe, yet possesses the lowest murder rate. In contrast, Holland’s murder rate is nearly the worst, despite having the lowest gun ownership rate in Western Europe.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

Words can be interpretated many different ways. I see you could find no respectable source backing up your claim that myself and Obama are fascists.

Russia play by their own rules, and of course mass revolutionary violence for years on end will distort the 'gun deaths per year on average stats'. No gun laws can change that in such short time.

You compare murder rates within other countries in Europe, but do not answer my question. Do any of those countries have higher gun death rates than the U.S.?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Tsa thinks you're a stupid twat
Yup.

[Blizzardwizard]

You are not a law abiding citizen if you carry around a felony charge you stupid twat.

You seem rattled, your responses growing ever shorter. It seems I've kicked up a fuss in the chicken coop.

This man was free, was not serving any prison sentence, house arrest or parole. He was law abiding AT THE TIME he committed the crime.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Please, englighten me, find me a source that isn't from a deranged rightwing blog, something with credit, that suggests that strengthening gun laws is fascist.

In which countries within Europe that possess strict gun laws are gun deaths higher than the U.S.?

You can't possibly compare small bags of Heroin that you get off the street cheap to assault rifles or shotguns. So you think criminals would just hand around weapons for tiny prices?

Oh goodness, the ol' "if you want to ban guns you should ban all cars and knives too!" chestnut. You're running low on attacks aren't you?
Have you ever once looked at Europes overall violent crime rate and wondered why it was so high and when it spiked?

[TheSanityAnnex]

You seem rattled, your responses growing ever shorter. It seems I've kicked up a fuss in the chicken coop.

This man was free, was not serving any prison sentence, house arrest or parole. He was law abiding AT THE TIME he committed the crime.
Rattled? Lol. At least the anti-gun American posters here put up a good debate. You are just awful post after post. A felon carrying a gun is not law abiding at any time you stupid twat.

[Blizzardwizard]

Rattled? Lol. At least the anti-gun American posters here put up a good debate. You are just awful post after post. A felon carrying a gun is not law abiding at any time you stupid twat.

Well that's a rather subjective evaluation isn't it? I seem to have put up a good enough debate to force response after response, insult after insult from you. Surely you wouldn't have thrown your vitriol in my direction if you weren't shaken, which you clearly are.

Now, I'll leave you to clean up from here, I need at least some sleep. Have fun, sport.

[Clipper Nation]

Words can be interpretated many different ways.
There's no real room for interpretation there. All those dictators instituted gun control, making it easy for them to enslave their people and exterminate dissidents.

Meanwhile...

Washington: "A free people ought to be armed."

Jefferson: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."

Adams: "Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense."

Mason: "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them."

The Dalai Lama: "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun."

Gandhi: "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."

MLK: "The right to defend one's home and one's person when attacked has been guaranteed through the ages by common law."


I see you could no respectable source backing up your claim that myself and Obama are fascists.
Never said either one of you were fascists, just that gun control is a fascist idea. Try to keep up.


You compare murder rates within other countries in Europe, but do not answer my question. Do any of those countries have higher gun death rates than the U.S.?
Russia did. You handwaved that away with an excuse, of course, but it's a certified fact that they had some of the world's harshest gun laws and higher murder rates than the US.

Another statistic: according to the Small Arms Survey, the US has the highest rate of gun ownership in the world. However, it's only 28th in the world in gun murders.

Honduras, El Salvador, and Jamaica - the latter two being especially known for their harsh gun control laws - have the highest firearm murder rates by far.

Meanwhile, Puerto Rico, Sierra Leone, and St. Kitts and Nevis - all of whom also have strict gun laws (although Sierra Leone has started toning theirs down in recent years) - are the top three in firearms murders as a percentage of all homicides.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list

Sorry, but history and statistics have shown that the reals always contradict your feels when it comes to gun ownership.

[Blake]

WTF did you even read your own post? His Dad knew of his charge and broke the law and should be charged as an accessory to murder.

yeah a private sale law would have helped here. Definitely wouldn't have hurt.

what law will they use to charge the dad with? I don't know I'm asking.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Well that's a rather subjective evaluation isn't it? I seem to have put up a good enough debate to force response after response, insult after insult from you. Surely you wouldn't have thrown your vitriol in my direction if you weren't shaken, which you clearly are.

Now, I'll leave you to clean up from here, I need at least some sleep. Have fun, sport.
You put up no debate at all and have been wrong on all counts. "Good enough debate" :lol

do I need to bullet point all your fuckups?

[Clipper Nation]

Well that's a rather subjective evaluation isn't it?
No it isn't. If you're a felon, you don't abide by the law, by definition. I know that SJWs like you love to redefine the meanings of words to suit your agenda, but this is pretty clear-cut.

[TheSanityAnnex]

yeah a private sale law would have helped here. Definitely wouldn't have hurt.

what law will they use to charge the dad with? I don't know I'm asking.
Don't know the laws there but from the looks of it he knowingly gave a felon a gun so he should be charged and I hope he is.

[Blizzardwizard]

You clearly implied I was fascist by wanting to implement strong gun laws. You're backtracking because you know your claim was outlandish and farfetched.

You keep referring to Russia constantly, unsurprisingly, as it's an anomaly that supports your claim. I ask again, which countries in Europe that have strict gun laws have higher gun death rates than the U.S.?

[Blizzardwizard]

do I need to bullet point all your fuckups?

You can if you like, I'm sure that'll keep you entertained for a good few minutes, in your mind at least.

[Clipper Nation]

You clearly implied I was fascist by wanting to implement strong gun laws. You're backtracking because you know your claim was outlandish and farfetched.

You keep referring to Russia constantly, unsurprisingly, as it's an anomaly that supports your claim. I ask again, which countries in Europe that have strict gun laws have higher death rates than the U.S.?
I thought you were going to bed? You must be rattled, since you're still responding with more drivel.

I never implied shit about you. I referred to gun control as an "unconstitutional, fascist agenda," implying that the idea is fascist.

I brought up another study, and like clockwork, you ignored it.

You probably should go to bed, as you're getting your ass kicked left and right and have brought up zero substantive points.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I ask again, which countries in Europe that have strict gun laws have higher death rates than the U.S.?
You may want to reword your question because the answer to this is quite a few. Another fuckup lol.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You can if you like, I'm sure that'll keep you entertained for a good few minutes, in your mind at least.
I'll help you along. First explain to me how a felon carrying a firearm was not breaking any laws at the time.

[Blizzardwizard]

Yep, if only we all could be "decent" enough to use the corpses of innocent people to push an unconstitutional fascist agenda.

Implication.

[Clipper Nation]

Implication.

Where?

[Blizzardwizard]

I thought you were going to bed? You must be rattled, since you're still responding with more drivel.

I never implied shit about you. I referred to gun control as an "unconstitutional, fascist agenda," implying that the idea is fascist.

I brought up another study, and like clockwork, you ignored it.

You probably should go to bed, as you're getting your ass kicked left and right and have brought up zero substantive points.

You and your cute little teamwork. Don't worry, I'll stay here longer if it keeps you boys occupied.

More subjective crap.

Fourth time. Which European countries with strict gun laws currently have a higher gun death rate than the U.S.?

[TheSanityAnnex]

I'll help you along. First explain to me how a felon carrying a firearm was not breaking any laws at the time.

[Blizzardwizard]

I'll help you along. First explain to me how a felon carrying a firearm was not breaking any laws at the time.

Are you going to keep proving my point? Thanks for your support. How was your felon freely allowed to acquire a gun, own one or more for a substantial period of time without being checked or vetted? A free man with previous charges owning a weapon? Surely this should not happen, or is this ok with you?

[ElNono]

Did the parents of the kid said anything, tbh? For some reason I get the sense his hatred isn't some recent development...

[Clipper Nation]

Statistical proof that Europe is more violent than the US:

http://cogitansiuvenis.blogspot.com/2012/07/is-america-really-more-violent-than.html

[Clipper Nation]

Here is the list of European countries whose most recent murder rates exceeded the U.S.'s.
• Greenland (19.2)
• Russia (10.2)
• Moldova (7.5)
• Lithuania (6.6)
• Ukraine (5.2)
• Estonia (5.2)
• Belarus (4.9)

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/12/listening_to_the_latest_media.html#ixzz3dT4aa8fs

[Clipper Nation]

You can look for various trends, but there is no evidence here that the availability of guns leads to more murders. Two of the most heavily armed countries, Finland and Switzerland, have murder rates of 2.2 and 0.7, among the lowest in the world. On the other hand, every country with a murder rate at least 5 times greater than the U.S.'s has at least 5 times fewer firearms per person than the U.S.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/12/listening_to_the_latest_media.html#ixzz3dT50Jb5K

[admiralsnackbar]

There is no class or any type of divisions for that matter in national socialism. The government doesn't fear the people, the people don't fear the government. Are you really naive enough to believe this shit? It's off-topic, so I won't bother explaining how wrong you are here. All the same... daaaaamn. :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

Are you going to keep proving my point? Thanks for your support. How was your felon freely allowed to acquire a gun, own one or more for a substantial period of time without being checked or vetted? A free man with previous charges owning a weapon? Surely this should not happen, or is this ok with you?
Are you going to keep dodging my question?


He was law abiding AT THE TIME he committed the crime.

how is a felon carrying a gun law abiding at any time?

[Clipper Nation]

http://i.imgur.com/BhxRiHC.png

To the eyeball, it looks like a more heavily armed population goes hand-in-hand with less murder, as an average. The statistics bear that out: the correlation coefficient is negative, -0.23, and it is statistically significant.

[Blizzardwizard]

Here is the list of European countries whose most recent murder rates exceeded the U.S.'s.
• Greenland (19.2)
• Russia (10.2)
• Moldova (7.5)
• Lithuania (6.6)
• Ukraine (5.2)
• Estonia (5.2)
• Belarus (4.9)

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/12/listening_to_the_latest_media.html#ixzz3dT4aa8fs


Gun rates. Not murder rates. Gun rates. You're struggling with this.

Fifth time. Which European countries with strict gun controls have a higher gun death rate than the U.S.?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Are you going to keep proving my point? Thanks for your support. How was your felon freely allowed to acquire a gun, own one or more for a substantial period of time without being checked or vetted? A free man with previous charges owning a weapon? Surely this should not happen, or is this ok with you?
The felon's father committed a crime in giving him the firearm you stupid twat. You are too stupid to debate I am through with you.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Did the parents of the kid said anything, tbh? For some reason I get the sense his hatred isn't some recent development...

He had plenty of black friends though. Like I said earlier I'm very confused.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Gun rates. Not murder rates. Gun rates. You're struggling with this.

Fifth time. Which European countries with strict gun controls have a higher gun death rate than the U.S.?
Actually you did say this...





http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Blizzardwizard (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8055156#post8055156)
I ask again, which countries in Europe that have strict gun laws have higher death rates than the U.S.?

[Blizzardwizard]

The felon's father committed a crime in giving him the firearm you stupid twat. You are too stupid to debate I am through with you.

When did I talk about the father? You're struggling.

[Clipper Nation]

Gun rates. Not murder rates. Gun rates. You're struggling with this.

Fifth time. Which European countries with strict gun controls have a higher gun death rate than the U.S.?

Any criminologist will tell you that "gun rates" are a deflection and distraction, as murder by strangling, beating, and stabbing simply go up in countries with harsher gun laws, meaning society isn't any safer. You have to look at murder rates and violent crime to judge the efficacy of gun control laws, and by any objective measure, they fail to prevent either one.

[TheSanityAnnex]

When did I talk about the father? You're struggling.

For fucking fucks sake you stupid twat.


How was your felon freely allowed to acquire a gun,

[ChumpDumper]

Here is the list of European countries whose most recent murder rates exceeded the U.S.'s.
• Greenland (19.2)
• Russia (10.2)
• Moldova (7.5)
• Lithuania (6.6)
• Ukraine (5.2)
• Estonia (5.2)
• Belarus (4.9)

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/12/listening_to_the_latest_media.html#ixzz3dT4aa8fs
So every other country in Europe has a lower murder rate than that of the US.

Hmm.

[TheSanityAnnex]

A free man with previous charges owning a weapon? Surely this should not happen, or is this ok with you?
What the fuck do you not understand about it being illegal for a felon to own a firearm? :lol Are you really this stupid or are you trolling cause if you are trolling well done.

[Clipper Nation]

So every other country in Europe has a lower murder rate than that of the US.

Hmm.

And many of them rank among the highest in the world in gun ownership.

Hmm.

[ChumpDumper]

And many of them rank among the highest in the world in gun ownership.

Hmm.And many do not.

So basically no clear causation has been shown one way or the other.

Hmm.

[Blizzardwizard]

For fucking fucks sake you stupid twat.



You're trying real hard to connect dots that you have created yourself. Where did I mention the father specifically? Why was the man in possession of a gun with previous charges without any police intervention? You seem to be trying very hard to deviate from my gun laws questions by mentioning that the man was a felon constantly.. How can conservatives defend this?

You want to play the 'which gun laws would you implement' game, then what do you propose is done jackass? You enlighten us all with your infinite knowledge. How will Conservatives prevent these mass murders happening again.


I doubt you'll answer properly. Probably mention felons again.

[Clipper Nation]

And many do not.

So basically no clear causation has been shown one way or the other.

Hmm.
Yet the statistics show that overall there is a statistically-significant correlation between high gun ownership rates and low murder rates (and vice versa):


http://i.imgur.com/BhxRiHC.png

To the eyeball, it looks like a more heavily armed population goes hand-in-hand with less murder, as an average. The statistics bear that out: the correlation coefficient is negative, -0.23, and it is statistically significant.

Hmm.

[ChumpDumper]

Yet the statistics show that overall there is a statistically-significant correlation between high gun ownership rates and low murder rates (and vice versa):



Hmm.But, to the eyeball, there are plenty of countries with low gun ownership and low murder rates.

Are they insignificant?

Hmm.

[Blizzardwizard]

Any criminologist will tell you that "gun rates" are a deflection and distraction, as murder by strangling, beating, and stabbing simply go up in countries with harsher gun laws, meaning society isn't any safer. You have to look at murder rates and violent crime to judge the efficacy of gun control laws, and by any objective measure, they fail to prevent either one.

Your stats and graphs did not address solely gun rates. Which is my entire point.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list

Which European countries with strict gun laws from that list have a higher 'Number of homicides by Firearm' (gun rate) than the U.S. ?

[Clipper Nation]

Hey Blizzardwizard, if gun control is the only answer to tragedies like this, how do you explain the heroism of Charl van Wyk, Jeanne Assam, and Terry Howell Sr. during similar attacks on churches?

http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/20-years-later-st-james-horror-endures-1.1552670#.VYN2H-d318o

http://www.5280.com/magazine/2012/12/jeanne-assam-still-waiting

http://www.westernjournalism.com/florida-pastor-armed-ready-disgruntled-employee-opened-fire-church/

[TheSanityAnnex]

You're trying real hard to connect dots that you have created yourself. Where did I mention the father specifically? Why was the man in possession of a gun with previous charges without any police intervention? You seem to be trying very hard to deviate from my gun laws questions by mentioning that the man was a felon constantly.. How can conservatives defend this?his father gave it to him illegally and should be charged as such. No "new" law would have prevented an already illegal act. I don't see a single conservative defending this wtf are you talking about. And why do you refuse to defend your claim that he wasn't committing a crime while carrying a firearm as a felon? Are you just pretending you never said that do I need to quote it again?


You want to play the 'which gun laws would you implement' game, then what do you propose is done jackass? You enlighten us all with your infinite knowledge. How will Conservatives prevent these mass murders happening again.im not going to propose any new laws because I am aware they wouldn't have stopped his father from illegally giving him a gun. You on the other hand seem to have some law in mind that would have prevented this so what is this new law you propose?



I doubt you'll answer properly. Probably mention felons again.have you figured out its illegal for felons to own firearms in America yet?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Go to bed Blizzardwizard this is embarrassing.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Your stats and graphs did not address solely gun rates. Which is my entire point.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list

Which European countries with strict gun laws from that list have a higher 'Number of homicides by Firearm' (gun rate) than the U.S. ?

Which European countries have 35 million n¡ggers and 50 million Mestizos in them?

Ive never understood why people compare 95% white countries in Europe to the US

[vy65]

No don't try to score political points by taking the 'let's make this about morals so we don't have to talk about gun laws" stance. You can respect the dead but you have to address the issue also. For some reason all the conservative figure heads seem to be conveniently forgetting to talk about why this happened, playing the 'moral' game to avoid any and all debates over gun laws. If conservatives had any respect for those who have died they'd take action, open their eyes and realise that absolute fuckin' loonies shouldn't be in possession of guns instead of sitting back and doing nothing.

*Not liberal, also.

You have used a lot of words, but said nothing.

[Spurminator]

He had plenty of black friends though. Like I said earlier I'm very confused.

This is purely anecdotal but the most racist person I know has several black friends, including a close friend basically transgender. He's the only person I know who will drop "n*gger" without a care in the world. I don't really understand it, but it seems like racists are able to still have friends of a different race while being completely belligerent to that race as a whole.

[vy65]

This Blizzard dude is like euro Fuzzy

[Blake]

his father gave it to him illegally and should be charged as such.

maybe, maybe not.

But it's not until he's charged.



No "new" law would have prevented an already illegal act.

How many laws actually prevent people from committing illegal acts?

I can't think of any preventive criminal laws.

[vy65]

^ are you kidding me? I'd steal all kinds of shit all the time if theft wasn't illegal.

[cd021]

:lmaomedia already pulling the mental illness card. if this were a man of color he would be a thug!:lmao

:tu

kid is a terrorist

[Blake]

^ are you kidding me? I'd steal all kinds of shit all the time if theft wasn't illegal.

yet theft happens all the time.

But you just made the point of why stricter gun laws would help.

[pgardn]

^ are you kidding me? I'd steal all kinds of shit all the time if theft wasn't illegal.

So would you rape if rape was not illegal?

[vy65]

So would you rape if rape was not illegal?

Fuck yah, you wouldn't? You must be a fag huh?

[vy65]

yet theft happens all the time.

But you just made the point of why stricter gun laws would help.

You don't get the point per/par.

The law deters a large body of people all the time. It doesn't deter criminals, that's kinda what makes them criminals.

If a guy is gonna kill some nigs, and there's already some measure of gun control, I don't see how incremental increases in regulation would get us from no deterrence to deterrence. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong. But you're simplistic view of more laws = more deterrence probably isn't right.

[pgardn]

Fuck yah, you wouldn't? You must be a fag huh?

No I would not.

But I would beat the holy fuck out of you if I caught you trying to rape someone.
And I would probably enjoy it.

[vy65]

No I would not.

But I would beat the holy fuck out of you if I caught you trying to rape someone.
And I would probably enjoy it.

crofl this is literally the gayest shit I've ever seen. You're white knighting in hypothetical no law land. What a fagget

[pgardn]

crofl this is literally the gayest shit I've ever seen. You're white knighting in hypothetical no law land. What a fagget

You would seriously impose your will on someone weaker than you, Peter Pan?
Knowing it would most likely screw them up?

Fuck your white knight no law land shit ya gay little coward.
You said you would rape if it was not illegal.
Why do you think it's illegal ya little pile o shit?

[Clipper Nation]

:tu

kid is a terrorist
He is a terrorist. That's another reason why this gun control agenda is counterproductive. Giving up our rights because of a terrorist is letting them win.

[vy65]

You would seriously impose your will on someone weaker than you, Peter Pan?
Knowing it would most likely screw them up?

If she was hot enough sure. Deep down inside they all want the D. Rape is a legal fiction we made up to convince ourselves we're civilized, but, in the end, we're just animals.


Fuck your white knight no law land shit ya gay little coward.
You said you would rape if it was not illegal.
Why do you think it's illegal ya little pile o shit?

Ok. cool.

[Blake]

Fuck yah, you wouldn't? You must be a fag huh?

Good god you must be one ugly son of a bitch.

Damn what a piece if shit you are :lol

[vy65]

commenting on other posters looks is the last refuge of the defeated Blake.

[Blake]

You don't get the point per/par.

The law deters a large body of people all the time. It doesn't deter criminals, that's kinda what makes them criminals.



Uh it helps deter people from becoming criminals.

Like you, Ripper.



If a guy is gonna kill some nigs, and there's already some measure of gun control, I don't see how incremental increases in regulation would get us from no deterrence to deterrence. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong. But you're simplistic view of more laws = more deterrence probably isn't right.

I'm specifically looking at the South Carolina policy that allows private sales of guns to happen without background checks.

Cracking down on that bullshit policy would be a solid start here.

[DPG21920]

Uh it helps deter people from becoming criminals.

Like you, Ripper.



I'm specifically looking at the South Carolina policy that allows private sales of guns to happen without background checks.

Cracking down on that bullshit policy would be a solid start here.

As terrible as this is, does this happen a lot in South Carolina? I mean, are normal non-gun related murders in SC way less frequent than events like this? I am geniunely asking.

This is awful, but to assume when a tragedy strikes that it's due to laws seems to miss the true root causes.

[pgardn]

If she was hot enough sure. Deep down inside they all want the D. Rape is a legal fiction we made up to convince ourselves we're civilized, but, in the end, we're just animals.



Ok. cool.

Thank you Dr. Phil

You Fkn coward. You brought up a hypothetical and now you back out by saying "they" want it.
Did you get Sanduskyed, is that why you feel this way? You know it usually is. We are all animals, so pedophiles usually become so themselves. Is that the problem since we know so much "deep down"?

So you are the bad boy that tells us all the truth... And this makes you some insightful slag.
BS shithead.

[lefty]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CH0L6Z4WgAABPQY.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/CH0L6OdWwAAyPfY.jpg

[Aztecfan03]

You may want to reword your question because the answer to this is quite a few. Another fuckup lol.
:lol

[ElNono]

his father gave it to him illegally and should be charged as such.

This is actually not true in South Carolina. It's only illegal if the person transferring the gun willfully knows that the receiving party is a felon. It's a loophole, and it obviously makes prosecuting a case like that much more complicated. This is why some states have started to require background checks even on private sales.

[Aztecfan03]

Implication.

reading comprehension. learn it.

[baseline bum]

What if raping 16 year-olds was legal?

[cd021]

He is a terrorist. That's another reason why this gun control agenda is counterproductive. Giving up our rights because of a terrorist is letting them win.

I'm not interested in the gun debate that others are getting into. Kid made a plan to murder innocent people then carried it out. He was motivated, he would have found ways to get weapons either way.

[cd021]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CH0L6Z4WgAABPQY.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/CH0L6OdWwAAyPfY.jpg

:lolI've literally seen at least five of these things on various websites describing him. When in doubt mentally ill is the way to go.

kid is a terrorist and racist and media is trying to make excuses.

[baseline bum]

If she was hot enough sure. Deep down inside they all want the D. Rape is a legal fiction we made up to convince ourselves we're civilized, but, in the end, we're just animals.



Ok. cool.

The problem with legal rape is you can't really do it in a vacuum. Is it assault to knock her out first? Or is assault allowable as a precursor to sexual assault?

[Aztecfan03]

maybe, maybe not.

But it's not until he's charged.



How many laws actually prevent people from committing illegal acts?

I can't think of any preventive criminal laws.

Underage buying alcohol, felons buying weapons. They will still happen sometimes but they prevent a lot of people.

[Aztecfan03]

commenting on other posters looks is the last refuge of the defeated Blake.

Blake is probably correct for once, though.

[Aztecfan03]

Uh it helps deter people from becoming criminals.

Like you, Ripper.



I'm specifically looking at the South Carolina policy that allows private sales of guns to happen without background checks.

Cracking down on that bullshit policy would be a solid start here.

i agree that would be a good law to change.

[TheSanityAnnex]

This is actually not true in South Carolina. It's only illegal if the person transferring the gun willfully knows that the receiving party is a felon. It's a loophole, and it obviously makes prosecuting a case like that much more complicated. This is why some states have started to require background checks even on private sales.
Seems pretty easy to prove the father willfully knew his son was a felon. I've got no problem with the background check amongst private parties. I do it here a lot here in CA when selling to a private party as it required at a licensed FFL every time. Protects my ass as well when selling a gun.

[Aztecfan03]

This is actually not true in South Carolina. It's only illegal if the person transferring the gun willfully knows that the receiving party is a felon. It's a loophole, and it obviously makes prosecuting a case like that much more complicated. This is why some states have started to require background checks even on private sales.
considering it is his son, i'm pretty sure he knew.

[ElNono]

Seems pretty easy to prove the father willfully knew his son was a felon. I've got no problem with the background check amongst private parties. I do it here a lot here in CA when selling to a private party as it required at a licensed FFL every time. Protects my ass as well when selling a gun.


considering it is his son, i'm pretty sure he knew.

I'm not sure it's so easy. It could be if the father was present in some of his son's previous court appearances and the prosecutors can demonstrate that, but he could just as easily have not been. Once he claims he didn't know, the burden shifts to the prosecutors to prove otherwise. It can be a high bar, and it certainly moves the case from a sure fire prosecution to anything, really.

I do agree that private to private background checks make sense. It might not have prevented this case, but it certainly would have made the conviction of the dad that provided the weapon a sure thing.

[Aztecfan03]

http://therightscoop.com/white-people-are-terrorists-black-lady-screams-at-cnns-don-lemon-while-hes-on-air/

what an idiot.

[SnakeBoy]

So every other country in Europe has a lower murder rate than that of the US.

Hmm.

Hmmm


In over 52% of the murders in the US in 2011 in which the race of the murderer was known, the murderer was black. Over half of the victims of murder were also black. But blacks are only 13.6% of the population. Put all that together, and the murder rate in the US for non-blacks was more like 2.6 per 100,000 in 2011.

[ChumpDumper]

HmmmAnd?

You can't separate them from America.

Or do you want to?

[SnakeBoy]

And?

You can't separate them from America.

Or do you want to?

If you are going to compare the murder rate in America to that of western Europe then you should at least acknowledge why the murder rate is higher here. Or is that racist?

[Blizzardwizard]

his father gave it to him illegally and should be charged as such. No "new" law would have prevented an already illegal act. I don't see a single conservative defending this wtf are you talking about. And why do you refuse to defend your claim that he wasn't committing a crime while carrying a firearm as a felon? Are you just pretending you never said that do I need to quote it again?

im not going to propose any new laws because I am aware they wouldn't have stopped his father from illegally giving him a gun. You on the other hand seem to have some law in mind that would have prevented this so what is this new law you propose?


have you figured out its illegal for felons to own firearms in America yet?

I thought you were done with me?

[Nbadan]

Roof Roommate Says Charleston Suspect Planned Shooting For 6 Months
Source: Talking Points Memo retelling of ABC News


The roommate of the white, 21-year old man who allegedly massacred nine people at a historic black church in Charleston, South Carolina said Thursday that he thought the suspect had been planning the attack for about six months.

Dalton Tyler told ABC News that he'd known Dylann Storm Roof for about seven months to a year. Tyler told the news outlet that he last saw Roof about a week ago and knew he'd been planning something like the Charleston church attack "for six months."

“He was big into segregation and other stuff,” Tyler told ABC News. “He said he wanted to start a civil war. He said he was going to do something like that and then kill himself.”

[Blake]

commenting on other posters looks is the last refuge of the defeated Blake.

Neh, just a sidebar on a crazy comment that you didn't think through before posting, Ripper.

[ChumpDumper]

If you are going to compare the murder rate in America to that of western Europe then you should at least acknowledge why the murder rate is higher here. Or is that racist?I don't know your motivations -- they could certainly be racist. Is race the only reason the hate is higher than that of many countries?

[Splits]

Oh he did legally buy a gun? Guess that changes nothing from the gun nuts, they'll obfuscate and come up with another excuse.


Officials: Suspect bought a gun in April

It's one thing to talk of stirring racial hatred, another to act on it to kill nine innocent people -- including the Rev. Clementa Pinckney, a state senator who had welcomed Roof into the Bible study session.

One key part of this horrific scheme -- the weapon -- came in April, when Roof bought a .45-caliber handgun at a Charleston gun store, the two law enforcement officials told Perez and Bruer from CNN, the first network to report this development.

[Clipper Nation]

Hey Blizzardwizard (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42696), if gun control is the only answer to tragedies like this, how do you explain the heroism of Charl van Wyk, Jeanne Assam, and Terry Howell Sr. during similar attacks on churches?

http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/20-years-later-st-james-horror-endures-1.1552670#.VYN2H-d318o

http://www.5280.com/magazine/2012/12/jeanne-assam-still-waiting

http://www.westernjournalism.com/florida-pastor-armed-ready-disgruntled-employee-opened-fire-church/
Still no answer from the anti-gun nuts.

[Winehole23]

relax CN, they're not coming for your guns this time either.

[Splits]

Still no answer from the anti-gun nuts.

Here's your answer, nut: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/14/america-mass-murder-australia-gun-control-saves-lives


Every country is unique, but Australia is more similar to the US than is, say, Japan or England. We have a frontier history and a strong gun culture. Each state and territory has its own gun laws, and in 1996 these varied widely between the jurisdictions. At that time Australia's firearm mortality rate per population was 2.6/100,000 – about one-quarter the US rate (pdf), according to data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics and the US Center for Disease Control. Today the rate is under 1/100,000 – less than one-tenth the US rate (pdf). Those figures refer to all gun deaths – homicide, suicide and unintentional. If we focus on gun homicide rates, the US outstrips Australia 30-fold.

[Clipper Nation]

relax CN, they're not coming for your guns this time either.
I'm perfectly relaxed. I don't even own a gun myself, I just don't begrudge law-abiding citizens their constitutional rights.

[Clipper Nation]

Here's your answer, nut: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/14/america-mass-murder-australia-gun-control-saves-lives
That's a deflection, not an answer, and it was already addressed earlier in the thread.

[Winehole23]

I'm perfectly relaxed. I don't even own a gun myself, I just don't begrudge law-abiding citizens their constitutional rights.I don't begrudge anyone their constitutional rights; non-law abiding citizens have rights too.

Gun control is politically impossible in the US for the present and probably for a long time.

[Splits]

I'm perfectly relaxed. I don't even own a gun myself, I just don't begrudge law-abiding citizens their constitutional rights which I approve of.

fixed

[Splits]

That's a deflection, not an answer, and it was already addressed earlier in the thread.

That is an answer. You can have strict, effective gun control and not outlaw guns, as has been successfully done in Australia. This kid walked into a gun store and out with a .45. A real background check would have prevented that from happening.

[Blake]

This kid walked into a gun store and out with a .45.

where are you getting that from?