Splitter Traded to Hawks

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

A lottery protected 1st round pick would be good. They'll prob only give a 2nd rounder or two.

[palangi]

Unless they signed him to trade him to us

[Chinook]

Unless they signed him to trade him to us

Nah. You have to wait 30 days to trade picks you've signed. I don't think the Spurs can hold out that long. Plus, it would have been better for the Spurs to have received his rights and negotiated their own deal.

[kobyz]

You really don't want that. They have the guy who can stop LMA when healthy.

They have Zack Randolph?

[CGD]

Looks like Hawks are about to sign Tavares to a multi year deal. How awesome would it be if that's really part of the Tiago trade?

[Russ]

It ain't Tavares

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So the Hawks trade for center Tiago Splitter, the sign another center Walter Taveras to a multiyear deal.

There are some tea leaves here -- who can illuminate?

[Chinook]

So the3 Hawks trade for center Tiago Splitter, the sign center Walter Taveras to a multiyear deal.

There are some tea leaves here -- who can illuminate?

Filling out the big rotation. Plus, it's not like Tavares is going to be expected to get a big role right off the bat. For either the Hawks or the Spurs.

[Russ]

Here's a Woj article from before last year's draft -- this Taveras dude is 7'3."

Also, note the big hands reference. Does this make Taveras a potential running mate for Kawhi?:



Sources: 7-foot-3 prospect to travel to U.S. to work out for NBA teams

By Adrian Wojnarowski
June 6, 2014 2:38 PM

Yahoo Sports

Walter Tavares, one of the best 7-foot prospects in the world, is working on a contract buyout with his team in the Spanish ACB League and will travel soon to the United States to work out for several NBA teams, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Several NBA executives believe Tavares, who is 7-foot-3, has a strong chance to work himself into the first round of this month's NBA draft, and several teams choosing in the range of the 20s plan to bring him in for closer inspections, sources said.

Agent Andy Miller will represent Tavares, 22, in the NBA.

Tavares doesn't have a formal agreement on a buyout with Gran Canaria of the Spanish ACB, but there is momentum toward that end, sources said.

Tavares maintains a most amazing story: Before his 17th birthday growing up on the tiny island of Cape Verde, he had never played basketball. A tourist discovered him, recommended him to a Spanish ACB team in the Canary Islands, and soon Tavares was whisked away to learn the game of basketball.

Five years later for Gran Canaria of the Spanish ACB League, he impressed NBA scouts with a 16-point, eight-rebound performance in a loss to the talented Real Madrid in the Spanish Cup. His wingspan, rebounding and shot-blocking abilities make him an especially intriguing prospect to NBA front office executives.

As one Western Conference official said: "He has the biggest hands I've ever seen. He's a very interesting player."


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--7-foot-3-prospect-walter-tavares-to-travel-to-u-s--to-work-out-for-teams-183854588.html

[kobyz]

Spurs probably gave away a first rounder to unload splitter...

[Obstructed_View]

Well, David only got owned in one series by Hakeem. Head to Head it's something like 30-12 in D-Rob's favour. That whole series has tainted the perception of Robinson. Sure Hakeem was better, his post game is what made him better, but David also had to guard him in single coverage most of the time in that series whereas the Rockets doubled teamed David.

Never quite understood how people miss that. Swap Robinson and Hakeem for that one playoff series, and the Rockets win in 4 games.

[ceperez]

Walter Taveres going to Signs up with Hawks:

https://twitter.com/IAmDPick/status/616630747474956288

So go figure... they have a 7'2" guy, they have Splitter and they also signed Milsap.

[BackHome]

So we traded our starting center for nothing and we lost Baynes to Detroit. So I guess Bonner is going to be the backup. Lol

[slick'81]

Walter Taveres going to Signs up with Hawks:

https://twitter.com/IAmDPick/status/616630747474956288

So go figure... they have a 7'2" guy, they have Splitter and they also signed Milsap.


they got better that's the point of a deal what did the spurs get again ?

[timvp]

Meh, regardless of what happens, trading Splitter to open the salary cap room to offer a max contract was still a worthy gamble. Considering he's been completely healthy for about two months the last two years and is now on the wrong side of 30, he's just not reliable enough to keep and take away all chances of landing a max free agent.

[Chinook]

Meh, regardless of what happens, trading Splitter to open the salary cap room to offer a max contract was still a worthy gamble. Considering he's been completely healthy for about two months the last two years and is now on the wrong side of 30, he's just not reliable enough to keep and take away all chances of landing a max free agent.

Lol, this is the moratorium, where teams are getting meetings without having any cap space at all. The Spurs jumped the gun; they didn't gamble. If they are content with the return they got for Tiago (like two future firsts), that's one thing. But if they dumped him for the hope to get LMA (since he's the only player they've been rumored to be pursuing besides scrubs like Bulter), then that's almost unforgivably stupid.

[objective]

Disagree with timvp

Plenty to worry about with splitter and his health, but trading him away for nothing without Aldridge on board is not a good play. Even with Aldridge, they really tanked splitters value and sold incredibly low and made a contender and therefore rival much MUCH better. The latter bothers me more than the return even

[Marcus Bryant]

Waiting to see what they got back and what they do with the cap space and/or trade exception.

[Obstructed_View]

Disagree with timvp

Plenty to worry about with splitter and his health, but trading him away for nothing without Aldridge on board is not a good play. Even with Aldridge, they really tanked splitters value and sold incredibly low and made a contender and therefore rival much MUCH better. The latter bothers me more than the return even

Since no details have come out about what the Spurs are getting back, and the paperwork for the trade hasn't even been drawn up, why do so many of you assume that the Spurs are getting nothing of value for him?

[ceperez]

something just doesn't smell right with Aldridge needing a meeting with the Lakers for a 2nd time.

[RD2191]

BIG FUCKING MISTAKE. I GUARANTEE IT.
:wakeup

[objective]

Since no details have come out about what the Spurs are getting back, and the paperwork for the trade hasn't even been drawn up, why do so many of you assume that the Spurs are getting nothing of value for him?

1. Spurs dealt from a position of weakness, why would anyone think they got anything good?

2. Take a look at what ATL even has to offer. They had the 29th pick before the Brooklyn switch. Their record isn't about to get worse adding a legit big like splitter. All they have besides is a lotto protected wolves pick in 2018 that converts to second rounders in 2020. Given the state of the west, I wouldn't hold my breath.

[ceperez]

It makes sense for Atlanta to want a legitimate center after Petrovic decided to sign in Europe.

However, signing Tavares puts a log-jam for the 3rd center with the veteran Okafor and Tavares competing for the same spot. Tavares is still a project so I don't see him playing much.

[Obstructed_View]

1. Spurs dealt from a position of weakness, why would anyone think they got anything good?

2. Take a look at what ATL even has to offer. They had the 29th pick before the Brooklyn switch. Their record isn't about to get worse adding a legit big like splitter. All they have besides is a lotto protected wolves pick in 2018 that converts to second rounders in 2020. Given the state of the west, I wouldn't hold my breath.

How was it a position of weakness? They offered a starting center. If LMA signed with Phoenix and Bud offered nothing of value, you better believe that the Spurs would just bring him back. I think Bud signing Tavares yesterday was in preparation for sending someone back to SA, even if it turns out to be Splitter.

[ceperez]

How was it a position of weakness? They offered a starting center. If LMA signed with Phoenix and Bud offered nothing of value, you better believe that the Spurs would just bring him back. I think Bud signing Tavares yesterday was in preparation for sending someone back to SA, even if it turns out to be Splitter.

Tavares is huge, but is not even a year ready to play in the NBA. Just watch the Eurocup where he played.

Spurs need a center and I don't know what Atlanta can send over in exchange. Okafor?

[Obstructed_View]

Tavares is huge, but is not even a year ready to play in the NBA. Just watch the Eurocup where he played.

Spurs need a center and I don't know what Atlanta can send over in exchange. Okafor?

I don't know, but I see no rule in the league where the Spurs are committed to give up Splitter for absolutely anything Bud feels like throwing back. Worst case scenario is Splitter starting on opening day.

[Bartleby]

Tavares is huge, but is not even a year ready to play in the NBA. Just watch the Eurocup where he played.

Spurs need a center and I don't know what Atlanta can send over in exchange. Okafor?

There was a tweet a couple pages back that no current Hawks were involved in the deal, so probably not much they can send other than picks and/or maybe Tavares (but that seems doubtful).

[ceperez]

I don't know, but I see no rule in the league where the Spurs are committed to give up Splitter for absolutely anything Bud feels like throwing back. Worst case scenario is Splitter starting on opening day.

Well, the Spurs may have got something, considering that it is rare to get a skilled center for under $10 million/year.

My take though is, the Spurs got something that can't translate immediately as a contribution. Maybe there's some dude that the Hawks have stashed away in Europe, who knows!

[Obstructed_View]

Well, the Spurs may have got something, considering that it is rare to get a skilled center for under $10 million/year.

My take though is, the Spurs got something that can't translate immediately as a contribution. Maybe there's some dude that the Hawks have stashed away in Europe, who knows!

It's possible, but it's equally likely that the Spurs aren't willing to part with Splitter if Aldridge doesn't sign, and they're completely within their rights to have told Bud that the trade was contingent upon that transaction.

[ceperez]

It's possible, but it's equally likely that the Spurs aren't willing to part with Splitter if Aldridge doesn't sign, and they're completely within their rights to have told Bud that the trade was contingent upon that transaction.

I don't know if it works like selling a house. If it were contingent on something that is outside the control of the Hawks, then it would be announced. Also, shouldn't the Hawks at least give up something?

[Obstructed_View]

I don't know if it works like selling a house. If it were contingent on something that is outside the control of the Hawks, then it would be announced. Also, shouldn't the Hawks at least give up something?

I don't know. If you and I are general managers, and I say, "I might get player A, but I'll have to trade player B", and you say, "Hey, I'll take player B if that happens", and I say, "Okay", and we have this conversation during a league-mandated moratorium, are we allowed to do that? I don't see why not. The media reported it because nothing has been submitted to the league, because it can't be. I don't understand why people think that the Spurs are bound to anything just because someone tweeted about the agreement.

[ceperez]

I don't know. If you and I are general managers, and I say, "I might get player A, but I'll have to trade player B", and you say, "Hey, I'll take player B if that happens", and I say, "Okay", and we have this conversation during a league-mandated moratorium, are we allowed to do that? I don't see why not. The media reported it because nothing has been submitted to the league, because it can't be. I don't understand why people think that the Spurs are bound to anything just because someone tweeted about the agreement.

Looks to me like a done deal (details pending).

Bud got a sweat deal. Splitter seems to be injured every season, but there are plenty of other centers who are just like that. Bud knows the details and is more than willing to add a legit center to his roster.

The Spurs need to clear cap space for someone. Is that Aldridge or was it for West? Problem now is the team doesn't have a center to match up against the likes of Howard or the Memphis bigs.

[Obstructed_View]

Looks to me like a done deal (details pending).

They're not allowed to file the paperwork for seven more days. It is, by definition, NOT a done deal. Details pending is from a media report. If a girl in the office calls Marc Stein and reports to him that the Hawks made a trade, it doesn't make it official when Stein talks about it on ESPN Radio.

[ceperez]

They're not allowed to file the paperwork for seven more days. It is, by definition, NOT a done deal. Details pending is from a media report. If a girl in the office calls Marc Stein and reports to him that the Hawks made a trade, it doesn't make it official when Stein talks about it on ESPN Radio.

Do you have a previous instance of a trade like this being rescinded other than because of some discovered injury?

[Obstructed_View]

Do you have a previous instance of a trade like this being rescinded other than because of some discovered injury?

Again. The point. This is a moratorium. It's not a trade. It is just a conversation that was reported. There were phone conversations between general managers long before Twitter.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Do you have a previous instance of a trade like this being rescinded other than because of some discovered injury?

There are all kinds of examples of agreed to deals being rescinded in this time period. What I think you are not considering is that Bud fully understands that he isn't getting Splitter for free if LMA falls through.

That may not be the deal but it is just as plausible if not more so than the backstabbing idea.

[Nathan89]

Looking like two summers in a row with major fuck-ups by the FO.

[K...]

you usually never hear about it because teams aren't so friendly. It's buyer beware and it's usually instant. This is special,

Legally, in order to have a contract you need to have : words of the party or agent or a written contract. What do we have here? Media, people with no connection to the team and a penchant, no a fetish for getting trolled by "sources"

[objective]

Do you have a previous instance of a trade like this being rescinded other than because of some discovered injury?

And I don't think the spurs under pop have ever done that, even with injury. Charles Smith was failing his physical and pop didn't cancel, he just squeezed money out of the Knicks.

And I have vague memories of pop being furious at being betrayed like that with agents and I think the clippers, don't think he would mess with bud like that

[ceperez]

What doesn't make sense is that there are a ton of teams looking for a decent center. I mean, the Pistons who already have a center acquired Baynes for $20m (3 years). We are talking here about the center of the team that won the championship just 2 seasons ago.

So to give away Splitter for nothing absolutely doesn't make sense.

[objective]

Any fan can look with hope towards the moratorium. Hell, the spurs can still sign Lebron for the minimum. Nothing's been sent to the league with the Cavs after all

Hell, I hope splitters back if LMA declines. That would be great news.

But am I supposed to think that Bud, who is wholly responsible for the Hawks title hopes, is going to screw himself out of signing or trading for other bigs with that cap space just to help out the spurs? Instead of getting a guarantee handshake with rc and pop that the deal will be consummated no matter what, he's going to pass on Brendan Wright and Ed David and all these other options just to be cool.

And if LMA doesn't sign with SA July 9, then pop says, "oops, no deal, sorry bro" and Bud is happily left holding a bag of crap, with all the other options off the table and all that cap space disappearing when new deals are signed with milsap and tavares and such. Maybe he can pull off another trade, but is Bud really going to hold his own team hostage to the spurs without a promise?

[ceperez]

Any fan can look with hope towards the moratorium. Hell, the spurs can still sign Lebron for the minimum. Nothing's been sent to the league with the Cavs after all

Hell, I hope splitters back if LMA declines. That would be great news.

But am I supposed to think that Bud, who is wholly responsible for the Hawks title hopes, is going to screw himself out of signing or trading for other bigs with that cap space just to help out the spurs? Instead of getting a guarantee handshake with rc and pop that the deal will be consummated no matter what, he's going to pass on Brendan Wright and Ed David and all these other options just to be cool.

And if LMA doesn't sign with SA July 9, then pop says, "oops, no deal, sorry bro" and Bud is happily left holding a bag of crap, with all the other options off the table and all that cap space disappearing when new deals are signed with milsap and tavares and such. Maybe he can pull off another trade, but is Bud really going to hold his own team hostage to the spurs without a promise?

I agree with you here, Splitter is as good as gone.

The only open question is, what did the Spurs get in return. If they got nothing, then it was a bad deal!

[objective]

Also, why is Jeff McDonald tweeting about trading for other players with that freed up call space if LMA doesn't sign instead of talking up the return of splitter? I know he's Jeff McDonald and not very good at spurs news, but I would think the return of splitter in an either/or scenario would be something he'd put out there.

[Budkin]

Looking like two summers in a row with major fuck-ups by the FO.

[Obstructed_View]

Any fan can look with hope towards the moratorium. Hell, the spurs can still sign Lebron for the minimum. Nothing's been sent to the league with the Cavs after all

Hell, I hope splitters back if LMA declines. That would be great news.

But am I supposed to think that Bud, who is wholly responsible for the Hawks title hopes, is going to screw himself out of signing or trading for other bigs with that cap space just to help out the spurs? Instead of getting a guarantee handshake with rc and pop that the deal will be consummated no matter what, he's going to pass on Brendan Wright and Ed David and all these other options just to be cool.

And if LMA doesn't sign with SA July 9, then pop says, "oops, no deal, sorry bro" and Bud is happily left holding a bag of crap, with all the other options off the table and all that cap space disappearing when new deals are signed with milsap and tavares and such. Maybe he can pull off another trade, but is Bud really going to hold his own team hostage to the spurs without a promise?

That's a good point. I don't think you could get someone to potentially commit assets for several days just for nothing, but if it doesn't interfere with Bud's plans, there's no rule specifically forbidding it.

[Rito3d30]

Any fan can look with hope towards the moratorium. Hell, the spurs can still sign Lebron for the minimum. Nothing's been sent to the league with the Cavs after all

Hell, I hope splitters back if LMA declines. That would be great news.

But am I supposed to think that Bud, who is wholly responsible for the Hawks title hopes, is going to screw himself out of signing or trading for other bigs with that cap space just to help out the spurs? Instead of getting a guarantee handshake with rc and pop that the deal will be consummated no matter what, he's going to pass on Brendan Wright and Ed David and all these other options just to be cool.

And if LMA doesn't sign with SA July 9, then pop says, "oops, no deal, sorry bro" and Bud is happily left holding a bag of crap, with all the other options off the table and all that cap space disappearing when new deals are signed with milsap and tavares and such. Maybe he can pull off another trade, but is Bud really going to hold his own team hostage to the spurs without a promise?

agreed, Spliiter is gone
I don't think I have ever seen a deal being cancelled by either party after exposing to the public
That's kind of a bitch move.

[Chinook]

Any fan can look with hope towards the moratorium. Hell, the spurs can still sign Lebron for the minimum. Nothing's been sent to the league with the Cavs after all

Hell, I hope splitters back if LMA declines. That would be great news.

But am I supposed to think that Bud, who is wholly responsible for the Hawks title hopes, is going to screw himself out of signing or trading for other bigs with that cap space just to help out the spurs? Instead of getting a guarantee handshake with rc and pop that the deal will be consummated no matter what, he's going to pass on Brendan Wright and Ed David and all these other options just to be cool.

And if LMA doesn't sign with SA July 9, then pop says, "oops, no deal, sorry bro" and Bud is happily left holding a bag of crap, with all the other options off the table and all that cap space disappearing when new deals are signed with milsap and tavares and such. Maybe he can pull off another trade, but is Bud really going to hold his own team hostage to the spurs without a promise?

One thing to understand is that this trade hasn't been announced. It's been leaked. That means that it's very possible that it's being misrepresented. Obviously, they don't even know who's coming back in the deal from Atlanta, which to me implies that the "source" who leaked the deal has been silenced. If the deal were finalized (fully agreed to) and not contingent on anything, I don't think either side would really care if it got leaked. But leaking tentative info leads to situations like this, and I think that's why we haven't heard more.

As far as breaking the agreement goes, I don't think it's a big deal. Besides it being very possible for the two teams to have explicitly agreed to the contingency (so no "Sorry Bud, change of plans" talk would be need), I doubt Atlanta were planning on signing those guys anyway. They've sat on cap space before, and I think they're probably looking for another bargain value as it is. It's also possible they feel Splitter is so good that he's worth waiting on (the same way the Spurs and other teams feel LMA is worth waiting on).

Another thing to consider is that the possible compensation for Splitter may depend on LMA's status. The Spurs might be willing to let him go regardless, but Pop and Bud agreed that if the Spurs don't end up needing the space, the Hawks will pay up more for him. That can also explain why we haven't heard anything about the assets coming back to the Spurs yet.

Seems like there's too much mystery to say that this trade is finalized yet. I think it's very possible that the agreement sort of fizzles out if LMA picks someone else. The Spurs will move on to West, and Atlanta will grab another guy from Europe to be their fourth big.

[ceperez]

One thing to understand is that this trade hasn't been announced. It's been leaked. That means that it's very possible that it's being misrepresented. Obviously, they don't even know who's coming back in the deal from Atlanta, which to me implies that the "source" who leaked the deal has been silenced. If the deal were finalized (fully agreed to) and not contingent on anything, I don't think either side would really care if it got leaked. But leaking tentative info leads to situations like this, and I think that's why we haven't heard more.

As far as breaking the agreement goes, I don't think it's a big deal. Besides it being very possible for the two teams to have explicitly agreed to the contingency (so no "Sorry Bud, change of plans" talk would be need), I doubt Atlanta were planning on signing those guys anyway. They've sat on cap space before, and I think they're probably looking for another bargain value as it is. It's also possible they feel Splitter is so good that he's worth waiting on (the same way the Spurs and other teams feel LMA is worth waiting on).

Another thing to consider is that the possible compensation for Splitter may depend on LMA's status. The Spurs might be willing to let him go regardless, but Pop and Bud agreed that if the Spurs don't end up needing the space, the Hawks will pay up more for him. That can also explain why we haven't heard anything about the assets coming back to the Spurs yet.

Seems like there's too much mystery to say that this trade is finalized yet. I think it's very possible that the agreement sort of fizzles out if LMA picks someone else. The Spurs will move on to West, and Atlanta will grab another guy from Europe to be their fourth big.

Pound the Rock has all the gory details:

"The compensation they will get from the Hawks will be a future pick or the rights to a stashed player, meaning Splitter's salary will be completely removed from the Spurs cap sheet."

In summary, no player coming back.

[Chinook]

Pound the Rock has all the gory details:

"The compensation they will get from the Hawks will be a future pick or the rights to a stashed player, meaning Splitter's salary will be completely removed from the Spurs cap sheet."

In summary, no player coming back.

First, PtR sucks.

Second, that's not "gory details" at all. It's like the opposite.

[therealtruth]

So we traded our best power forward defender and best big pick and roll defending big for ??? Maybe the Spurs plan is to play more small ball?

[Sean Cagney]

So we traded our best power forward defender and best big pick and roll defending big for ??? Maybe the Spurs plan is to play more small ball?

I hope not and I hope they get LA since they traded him... Please don't let this be a huge mistake and a disastrous offseason where you let Banger and Tiago go and get some bum in return as a FA like Ayres.

[timvp]

"Is there any chance of Splitter coming back?"

"None."




Time to move on, tbh.

[AFBlue]

Agreed. Dude was soft and unreliable. Good riddance.

[therealtruth]

I guess worst case scenario is that Peter Holt saved some money and even got his top players (TD, Kawhi) to resign for less than they probably should have gotten.

[TheCerebral1]

Could the Spurs be getting Taveras as a part of the deal for Tiago, I cannot see them dealing him for nothing.

[Dr.Angus]

Another player who won SA's heart.

[Mr. Body]

Could the Spurs be getting Taveras as a part of the deal for Tiago, I cannot see them dealing him for nothing.

I don't think so.

[Jabba]

What a stupid trade in retrospect, spurfan :lmao

[BatManu20]

:cry

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[Mr. Body]

He complete his cycle? Is he an alien depositing eggs in people's stomachs?

[K...]

He complete his cycle? Is he an alien depositing eggs in people's stomachs?

Be wrote a whole book on instagram with the link. Cycle from new to champs.

[CGD]

:cry

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Queue the vagina jokes in 3, 2, 1 ...

[DJR210]

He complete his cycle? Is he an alien depositing eggs in people's stomachs?

:lmao that shit is funny

[DJR210]

He took one final bicycle ride through San Antonio is what I'm getting from that

[Chinook]

Well maybe now that it's been confirmed by Splitter we'll get the news on the assets changing hands.

[RD2191]

Bullshit, tbh. Trading Tiago will come back to bite the Spurs in the ass.

[objective]

So I guess tiago knows there's no chance the deal is off

[AaronY]

I don't know, but I see no rule in the league where the Spurs are committed to give up Splitter for absolutely anything Bud feels like throwing back. Worst case scenario is Splitter starting on opening day.

Gr8 analysis

[SnakeBoy]

:cry

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:cry:depressed

[ceperez]

:cry:depressed

Yep.... the pretty much confirms it.... guy got traded and Spurs aren't getting him back.

[spurraider21]

yes thats how trades work

[Chinook]

yes thats how trades work

Unless you're Dallas.

[Hoops Czar]

I wonder if the Spurs at least get a trade exception for salary dumping Splitter.

[SpursFan86]

I wonder if the Spurs at least get a trade exception for salary dumping Splitter.

Pretty sure they do.

[Obstructed_View]

Yep.... the pretty much confirms it.... guy got traded and Spurs aren't getting him back.

Yeah, I agree. Unless he "fails" the physical.

[PingPong]

Splitter is in Atlanta already. He will do some medical tests and talk with Bud and his former coach from Baskonia. Kyle Korver called to welcome him and his Family is happy about moving to Atlanta. Some believe he will have more freedom at offense in Atlanta. It's done.

[Obstructed_View]

"Is there any chance of Splitter coming back?"

"None."




Time to move on, tbh.

Are these quotes in quotes because they came from Pop, or is it just intended to sound like Pop? Don't mean to sound tin-foil hattish, since I'm just playing devil's advocate, but dude could easily fail a physical.

[Obstructed_View]

Splitter is in Atlanta already. He will do some medical tests and talk with Bud and his former coach from Baskonia. Kyle Korver called to welcome him and his Family is happy about moving to Atlanta. Some believe he will have more freedom at offense in Atlanta. It's done.

I'm pretty interested in seeing him play for Bud, and seeing how different the team looks with him.

[ducks]

smart move

[Mr. Body]

Now we get to see what comes back from this trade. A pick several years from now, that sort of thing.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

I hate the Splitter salary dump. But if it turns out to somehow get Tavares, now that they've officially pulled off Aldridge, while holding on to Green, Diaw, Mills. I just might have to hold off my switch to full on Timberwolves/Warriors fan.

[ceperez]

Isn't it a very odd coincidence that within a day of trading Splitter to the Hawks, Tavares signs a deal that is one half of his current pending deal of $3m?

Why take $1.5m when some other guy is offering $3m? Something happened that convinced Tavares that he had to take a once in a lifetime opportunity.

He could have joined the Hawks at his leisure. That is taken $3m to get ready and join Hawks later, but some situation tells him to take half off and join.

Very curious indeed!

Let's see on July 9th what the deal really is.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Just a few days! Tavares would be a bigger deal than Aldridge, imo.

Tavares/Anderson/Ljc/Green/Kawhi with Aldridge, what's left of the big 3, Diaw and Mills. That would be the most stacked Spurs roster of all time. I hate losing Splitter, but if that's the result. Good God!

[cantthinkofanything]

Isn't it a very odd coincidence that within a day of trading Splitter to the Hawks, Tavares signs a deal that is one half of his current pending deal of $3m?

Why take $1.5m when some other guy is offering $3m? Something happened that convinced Tavares that he had to take a once in a lifetime opportunity.

He could have joined the Hawks at his leisure. That is taken $3m to get ready and join Hawks later, but some situation tells him to take half off and join.

Very curious indeed!

Let's see on July 9th what the deal really is.

wouldn't we have heard something about it by now? or would that have violated the rules if your scenario was premeditated?

[ceperez]

wouldn't we have heard something about it by now? or would that have violated the rules if your scenario was premeditated?

Tavares is 2014 second round pick. Deal could be that Spurs acquire 2014 second round pick for trading Splitter. Deal could be that Spurs instructed Hawks to sign up for a mere $1.5m rather than the $3m European teams offered.

Why would Tavares take 1/2 the salary to go to the Hawks knowing that Hawks have like 3 other centers? Horford, Splitter, Brand.

With Antic leaving the Hawks, there was enough incentive to get Splitter. Surely Spurs got something out of the deal.

[jeebus]

Splitter shouldn't report to the Hawks and just continue playing for the Spurs. That way, he still gets paid by Atlanta and can back up Timmy off the bench here! Win win for both sides.

[ChumpDumper]

Tavares is 2014 second round pick. Deal could be that Spurs acquire 2014 second round pick for trading Splitter. Deal could be that Spurs instructed Hawks to sign up for a mere $1.5m rather than the $3m European teams offered.

Why would Tavares take 1/2 the salary to go to the Hawks knowing that Hawks have like 3 other centers? Horford, Splitter, Brand.

With Antic leaving the Hawks, there was enough incentive to get Splitter. Surely Spurs got something out of the deal.Yes,

It just won't be Tavares.

[ceperez]

Yes,

It just won't be Tavares.

I mean, c'mon, the Hawks needed a back up center with Antic leaving. They got a world champion starting center... WTF... nothing in exchange?

[ChumpDumper]

I mean, c'mon, the Hawks needed a back up center with Antic leaving. They got a world champion starting center... WTF... nothing in exchange?The Spurs will get something back.

Just not Tavares.

[Mr. Body]

I mean, c'mon, the Hawks needed a back up center with Antic leaving. They got a world champion starting center... WTF... nothing in exchange?

Seriously, dude, what the fuck is wrong with you?

[will_spurs]

Isn't it a very odd coincidence that within a day of trading Splitter to the Hawks, Tavares signs a deal that is one half of his current pending deal of $3m?

Why take $1.5m when some other guy is offering $3m? Something happened that convinced Tavares that he had to take a once in a lifetime opportunity.

Where did you find this precise info about the contract? All I can see is "multi-year contract".

[cantthinkofanything]

Tavares is 2014 second round pick. Deal could be that Spurs acquire 2014 second round pick for trading Splitter. Deal could be that Spurs instructed Hawks to sign up for a mere $1.5m rather than the $3m European teams offered.

Why would Tavares take 1/2 the salary to go to the Hawks knowing that Hawks have like 3 other centers? Horford, Splitter, Brand.

With Antic leaving the Hawks, there was enough incentive to get Splitter. Surely Spurs got something out of the deal.

IDK why. But it's total speculation. If that was the plan, I would think we would have heard about it from at least one more source besides Spurstalk.

[BackHome]

Thinking we still might get WT since when they announced the trade they said no active Hawks player envolved in trade. But at that point he wasn't signed nor were they talks of signing him so I am holding out.

[Axegrinder]

Tavares is 2014 second round pick. Deal could be that Spurs acquire 2014 second round pick for trading Splitter. Deal could be that Spurs instructed Hawks to sign up for a mere $1.5m rather than the $3m European teams offered.

Why would Tavares take 1/2 the salary to go to the Hawks knowing that Hawks have like 3 other centers? Horford, Splitter, Brand.

With Antic leaving the Hawks, there was enough incentive to get Splitter. Surely Spurs got something out of the deal.Read they want Horford @ PF this year..and wasnt there talk of brand retiring too? I think they keep WT

[ceperez]

Thinking we still might get WT since when they announced the trade they said no active Hawks player envolved in trade. But at that point he wasn't signed nor were they talks of signing him so I am holding out.

It is the timing of it all (one day of announcing Splitter trade) and the fact that Tavares took a 50% pay cut.

[ceperez]

Read they want Horford @ PF this year..and wasnt there talk of brand retiring too? I think they keep WT

If Horford wants to be @PF this year, then where does Milsap go?

[dbestpro]

If Horford wants to be @PF this year, then where does Milsap go?

He has already agreed to play SF.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Just a few days! Tavares would be a bigger deal than Aldridge, imo.

Tavares/Anderson/Ljc/Green/Kawhi with Aldridge, what's left of the big 3, Diaw and Mills. That would be the most stacked Spurs roster of all time. I hate losing Splitter, but if that's the result. Good God!

Bigger deal than Aldridge? :lmao

[littlecoyotecoin]

It is the timing of it all (one day of announcing Splitter trade) and the fact that Tavares took a 50% pay cut.

Just coincidence, probably. Lots of things happened at relatively the same time within 24-48 hours of them being ALLOWED to happen wrt the rules.

[ceperez]

Looks like the drama here is *not* over! Tavares still in play!

[DPG21920]

Looks like the drama here is *not* over! Tavares still in play!

Huh?

[ChumpDumper]

Looks like the drama here is *not* over! Tavares still in play!Link?

Here's mine:


Edy Tavares will play for the Hawks’ entry in the Las Vegas Summer League after agreeing to a contract last week. The 7-foot-3 center was a second-round pick of the Hawks last year and played in Spain.

The Hawks announced their roster Monday.http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/basketball/walter-tavares-on-atlanta-hawks-summer-league-rost/nmsQJ/

If you have something else, I'd be glad to read it.

[BillMc]

Looks like the drama here is *not* over! Tavares still in play!

Do we know that Tavares is the point of contention? Or is it speculation on our parts?

[ceperez]

Do we know that Tavares is the point of contention? Or is it speculation on our parts?

Rumor is there is a hicup with the deal in that Spurs are expecting something back. Tavares is pure speculation.

[dgspursforlife]

Yeah I hope we get him but I don't think we even have the cap space to take him back, do we?
Chinook? I thought we needed to trade splitter for cap space and get some picks or rights to players. So since they signed Tavares we probably won't get him.
Have I understood this shit correctly?

[ChumpDumper]

Rumor is there is a hicup with the deal in that Spurs are expecting something back. Tavares is pure speculation.Rumor from where?

[BillMc]

Rumor is there is a hicup with the deal in that Spurs are expecting something back. Tavares is pure speculation.

Thanks! :toast

[DPG21920]

Spurs do have the cap space if Tim takes a certain amount, but that's not known.

[NASpurs]

Rumor from where?

Apparently Chris Broussard said on Sportscenter there's a hangup in the Splitter deal with Atlanta.

[NASpurs]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250633&p=8103043&viewfull=1#post8103043

Everything else is just speculation though.

[dgspursforlife]

Ah ok thanks DPG

[Aztecfan03]

Rumor from where?
supposedly Broussard on espn last night.

[Rev Hill]

If true, hopefully hang-up just means "another component (player)" vs. there is a problem with the deal in it's entirety.

[DPG21920]

:lol Anyone thinking SA after landing LMA/West/Manu/DG/Kawhi would let the deal fall through is absolutely messed up in the head.

[BillMc]

:lol Anyone thinking SA after landing LMA/West/Manu/DG/Kawhi would let the deal fall through is absolutely messed up in the head.

Agree. But that is the very reason Bud has all the leverage. It means more to the Spurs than Atlanta.

[cd98]

Agree. But that is the very reason Bud has all the leverage. It means more to the Spurs than Atlanta.

True, but Splitter would be big for Atlanta, even for a 1st rounder.

[Chinook]

Yeah I hope we get him but I don't think we even have the cap space to take him back, do we?
Chinook? I thought we needed to trade splitter for cap space and get some picks or rights to players. So since they signed Tavares we probably won't get him.
Have I understood this shit correctly?

They can't trade him until 30 days after signing him. So yeah, he's probably not going to be a Spur. The team still has room for to add him for a deal starting at the min. So they can still sign him. Or Tim/Aldridge could take a little less (like $200k each) to make it happen. But probably not.

[ChumpDumper]

Apparently Chris Broussard said on Sportscenter there's a hangup in the Splitter deal with Atlanta.No videos with that as a subject on ESPN....

[TheGoldStandard]

They can't trade him until 30 days after signing him. So yeah, he's probably not going to be a Spur. The team still has room for to add him for a deal starting at the min. So they can still sign him. Or Tim/Aldridge could take a little less (like $200k each) to make it happen. But probably not.

I'm thinking Muscala is more likely than Tavares

[ceperez]

True, but Splitter would be big for Atlanta, even for a 1st rounder.

Atlanta lost Antic... so it is like replacing their 2nd string center with a 1st string championship center. That's a sweat deal, considering Splitter is under $10m per.

[NASpurs]

No videos with that as a subject on ESPN....

Yeah I'm skeptical too but it's not like ESPN puts videos online of every segment of Sportscenter. I don't know, take it up with BatManu20 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=33095) :lol

[Chinook]

I'm thinking Muscala is more likely than Tavares

I'd rather have a pick. I actually don't dislike him, but the Spurs better not be stashing their picks only to use a million in cap space on that guy.

[TheGoldStandard]

I'd rather have a pick. I actually don't dislike him, but the Spurs better not be stashing their picks only to use a million in cap space on that guy.

True, I still don't understand Mulitinov being their stash

[DPG21920]

I'd rather have a pick. I actually don't dislike him, but the Spurs better not be stashing their picks only to use a million in cap space on that guy.

I'm so confused with you. That guy is wayyyyyyyyyyy better than whom they could have gotten with their picks this year IMO. By getting Muscala, that effectively turned out to be their 1st rounder this year instead of stashing and getting someone that I believe already posted an PER of 18+ last year in his first or 2nd season.

[Fireball]

if Bud fucks this up, CIA Pop will haunt him for the rest of his life

[DPG21920]

Dudes, there is literally no chance of the trade not going through. None. The only way that would even be possible is if SA knew they could immediately do another trade in the same mold.

But let's say the cap jumps like we think and Tim takes 4M instead of 6 - that would leave enough room to land a player like the one's discussed.

[SPURt]

Welcome back Austin Daye! That 52 you dropped the other day really caused Pop and RC to risk blowing up this off season!

[ceperez]

Welcome back Austin Daye! That 52 you dropped the other day really caused Pop and RC to risk blowing up this off season!

So Spurs get Austin Daye's unguaranteed contract only to have it rescinded?

Does that have any effect on the cap situation?

[Chinook]

I'm so confused with you. That guy is wayyyyyyyyyyy better than whom they could have gotten with their picks this year IMO. By getting Muscala, that effectively turned out to be their 1st rounder this year instead of stashing and getting someone that I believe already posted an PER of 18+ last year in his first or 2nd season.

He doesn't fill a niche for the Spurs, and his contract expires next off-season. So the team is going to have to deal his new deal despite him getting almost no playing time this season. Milutinov and LJC would have years to grow into their roles while being cheap and filling needs. Withey would fill a gigantic need and be a good flyer, since he wouldn't cost cap space. But Muscala isn't the same. He's not a great future asset, nor is he great for the present.

[SPURt]

So Spurs get Austin Daye's unguaranteed contract only to have it rescinded?

Does that have any effect on the cap situation?
I was kidding, I hope they don't bring Daye back, good lawd that'd be something no one wants

[hater]

maybe splitter played pickup ball and lost a limb

[Chinook]

Maybe the hangup is that they want Diaw instead of Splitter. :stirpot:

[DPG21920]

I really disagree. He's obviously much, much better than LJC, CADY, Milutinov right now and you still have all their rights. I would rather have the player that looks much more like an NBA player today while keeping the others' rights - which SA did even with LJC.

By your logic, the only way he gets a better deal is if he's worth it. I'd rather have the asset that has shown some promise and has potential to play in a pinch vs someone who is likely to fail this year.

Also, who cares if he costs cap space? If he did, it would just be coming out of Tim's pocket anyways and what does that matter when Spurs only have min deals to work with anyways?

[ceperez]

Couldn't Spurs make a deal with some other team that need a center? There are plenty of team that have enough cap room for this.

Why does Atlanta get first dibs? Is it because Atlanta has something the Spurs want?

[Chinook]

I really disagree. He's obviously much, much better than LJC, CADY, Milutinov right now and you still have all their rights. I would rather have the player that looks much more like an NBA player today while keeping the others' rights - which SA did even with LJC.

By your logic, the only way he gets a better deal is if he's worth it. I'd rather have the asset that has shown some promise and has potential to play in a pinch vs someone who is likely to fail this year.

He doesn't have to prove anything. The guy barely played in Atlanta last year, and you covet him. Do you think he's going to get no offers next summer just because he isn't in the rotation? Did you see what happened with Joseph?

Anyway, Muscala is a stretch-five. Normally that's a pretty awesome asset to have, but it's pretty much wasted on the Spurs this season. They need a defensive big, not a shooter. I don't care who's better in a vacuum. Either LJC and Milutinov are better suited to play roles on the Spurs this season. And having them both over Muscala seems like a no-brainer for a team that's looking old and salary-locked.

[cd98]

Couldn't Spurs make a deal with some other team that need a center? There are plenty of team that have enough cap room for this.

Why does Atlanta get first dibs? Is it because Atlanta has something the Spurs want?

Yeah, Dallas may be in the market.

[SPURt]

Yeah, Dallas may be in the market.
Haha! This.

[Mr. Body]

Wonder if SA wanted another team's stashed involved and we're working to get those in. What Atlanta has alone isn't very promising. So I think there are contingencies that aren't coming through. Worst case the trade goes down as more or less a dump.

[ChumpDumper]

I still say the Spurs are getting the anorexic Swede.

[ceperez]

Wonder if SA wanted another team's stashed involved and we're working to get those in. What Atlanta has alone isn't very promising. So I think there are contingencies that aren't coming through. Worst case the trade goes down as more or less a dump.

Doesn't make sense if it is a pure dump. I expect some draft picks.

[Mr. Body]

I don't get the infatuation with Tavares. Spurs like fleet centers and he's definitely not. Hence Milutinov, who definitely is.

[ElNono]

I'm sure the Spurs can get a third team involved if needed to absorb whatever the Hawks might want to unload.

[Mr. Body]

Doesn't make sense if it is a pure dump. I expect some draft picks.

Of course it makes sense. The trade is only a salary dump, anything else is icing. My point is they may be trying to get via another team the icing they want but it's not working. They'll get something in the end but it will be negligible.

[BackHome]

No way Pop and RC did not dot the I and crossed the t on a deal this big

[Rev Hill]

Agree. But that is the very reason Bud has all the leverage. It means more to the Spurs than Atlanta.

Exactly. I'm sure all is good and will be good, but nothing is final until the deal is done, contracting 101.

[kaji157]

Of course it makes sense. The trade is only a salary dump, anything else is icing. My point is they may be trying to get via another team the icing they want but it's not working. They'll get something in the end but it will be negligible.

While i agree with you i think Splitter is a serviceable player and his salary is maybe a bit excesive, but for the league it can also be considered "low".

That´s why i think the Spurs will ask for "something" in return other than the cap space.

But on the other hand, the fact that Atlanta already knows that we need to move him in order to land Aldridge gives them and edge on negotiations.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Maybe the hangup is that they want Diaw instead of Splitter. :stirpot:

If Splitter is healthy that works for the Spurs IMO. Except Diaw makes a million less than Splitter.

[Mr. Body]

While i agree with you i think Splitter is a serviceable player and his salary is maybe a bit excesive, but for the league it can also be considered "low".

That´s why i think the Spurs will ask for "something" in return other than the cap space.

But on the other hand, the fact that Atlanta already knows that we need to move him in order to land Aldridge gives them and edge on negotiations.

Obviously. My point, again, it's that Atlanta has little to trade back in assets. Tavares is fool's gold. The plan, I'm suggesting, is that they wanted to get a third team involved to provide better assets (Hawks would add an existing player(s). But that hasn't worked. Now, the Spurs will accept assets they're not thrilled about.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

I was kidding, I hope they don't bring Daye back, good lawd that'd be something no one wants

lol

[kaji157]

Obviously. My point, again, it's that Atlanta has little to trade back in assets. Tavares is fool's gold. The plan, I'm suggesting, is that they wanted to get a third team involved to provide better assets (Hawks would add an existing player(s). But that hasn't worked. Now, the Spurs will accept assets they're not thrilled about.

There already was a report that the Spurs will not receive any roster asset over this deal. So i expect picks and cash.

[lmbebo]

I'm guessing its a top 55 protected pick or somethin

[BillMc]

So, did this deal get finalized?

[timvp]

If the Spurs get more than a second round pick for Splitter, I'd be surprised. Sure, he's worth more than that but it's the timing that I think cost the Spurs. Instead of allowing the Hawks to explore with their salary cap room, the Spurs needed the deal done ASAP in order to make everything crystal clear prior to the Aldridge meeting. Thus, the Spurs really didn't have much leverage in the negotiations.

It obviously worked out well for the Spurs but I just can't imagine they got anything close to equal value for Splitter. Even if they get essentially nothing, it'd still be a great trade, especially since everything panned out perfectly following this risky move.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

If the Spurs get more than a second round pick for Splitter, I'd be surprised. Sure, he's worth more than that but it's the timing that I think cost the Spurs. Instead of allowing the Hawks to explore with their salary cap room, the Spurs needed the deal done ASAP in order to make everything crystal clear prior to the Aldridge meeting. Thus, the Spurs really didn't have much leverage in the negotiations.

It obviously worked out well for the Spurs but I just can't imagine they got anything close to equal value for Splitter. Even if they get essentially nothing, it'd still be a great trade, especially since everything panned out perfectly following this risky move.

Agreed...we should be happy that Atlanta did us the favor so that the Spurs could land Aldridge...getting something else in return from Atlanta is icing on the cake...

[duncan2150]

Don't forget that the Hawks have the rights of three players overseas not named Tavares :

SF Lamar Patterson from Pitt who played in Turkey last year ( draft 2014), SG Marcus Eriksson from Sweden( draft 2015), PF Dimitrios Agravanis from Greece ( draft 2015)

Maybe one of them is involved in the deal plus a 2nd round pick or a first

[Kawhitstorm]

If the Spurs get more than a second round pick for Splitter, I'd be surprised. Sure, he's worth more than that but it's the timing that I think cost the Spurs. Instead of allowing the Hawks to explore with their salary cap room, the Spurs needed the deal done ASAP in order to make everything crystal clear prior to the Aldridge meeting. Thus, the Spurs really didn't have much leverage in the negotiations.

It obviously worked out well for the Spurs but I just can't imagine they got anything close to equal value for Splitter. Even if they get essentially nothing, it'd still be a great trade, especially since everything panned out perfectly following this risky move.

Teams around the league had no incentive to offer the Spurs anything in return for Tiago since it was obvious that he had to be traded to make room for LMA. The fear was that teams would actually demand a pick from the Spurs to take Tiago as part of a "salary dump". The Warriors traded David Lee for Gerald Wallace as part of a salary dump & were commended for not surrendering a pick although Lee is clearly the better player.

[Nathan89]

Teams around the league had no incentive to offer the Spurs anything in return for Tiago since it was obvious that he had to be traded to make room for LMA. The fear was that teams would actually demand a pick from the Spurs to take Tiago as part of a "salary dump". The Warriors traded David Lee for Gerald Wallace as part of a salary dump & were commended for not surrendering a pick although Lee is clearly the better player.

David Lee isn't useful to a winning team like Tiago is.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If the Spurs get more than a second round pick for Splitter, I'd be surprised. Sure, he's worth more than that but it's the timing that I think cost the Spurs. Instead of allowing the Hawks to explore with their salary cap room, the Spurs needed the deal done ASAP in order to make everything crystal clear prior to the Aldridge meeting. Thus, the Spurs really didn't have much leverage in the negotiations.

It obviously worked out well for the Spurs but I just can't imagine they got anything close to equal value for Splitter. Even if they get essentially nothing, it'd still be a great trade, especially since everything panned out perfectly following this risky move.

Perhaps Pop and Bud had some sort of a gentleman's agreement that the deal would be pending on Spurs actually getting Aldridge which no other team would be willing to do. Thus, Spurs not getting equal value but having a way out if things went wrong with their FA targets.

[cd021]

Maybe the hangup is that they want Diaw instead of Splitter. :stirpot:

They lose some of their versatility against small ball units (I'd really be interested to see a Diaw-Aldridge pairing)

but a Aldridge/West-Duncan/Splitter big rotation is makes more since.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

Perhaps Pop and Bud had some sort of a gentleman's agreement that the deal would be pending on Spurs actually getting Aldridge which no other team would be willing to do. Thus, Spurs not getting equal value but having a way out if things went wrong with their FA targets.

:bobo

[DrunkTXLabrat]

i think the "hawks have the ultimate leverage" case, is a bit over-blown.

The Spurs were seriously limited on time? Aldridge took his sweet time making up his mind, and the full details of the trade are still at large. I suppose hindsight is 20/20. But, part of the pitch to get LMA here was the decisive action of keeping Green and dumping Splitter? I'm starting to see the hesitation, and the need for second meetings, tbh. Was the pitch not a simple "look at these rings that Timmy and Pop win, and this shiny new maxed out Kawhi. think they're done? look at this beautiful state with limited tax, and plentiful family... you likey?" Do Green and Splitter really factor so heavily into the pitch that you gotta run out and make some lopsided deal?

And another thing. the Spurs were seriously limited on partners? Forget the notion that they're dumping Splitter, like a desperate, out of control junky. needing a LMA fix. all the branches of the Spurs management tree. Orlando, Utah, OKC, New Orleans, LAC, Philly, GS, Sacramento. Hell, did anybody read the one about Portland and Splitter? It just happened last year, is a sign and trade seriously not an additional "ace in the hole" during the negotiation game of cards? There's no Gerald Wallace or Brendan Haywood to help smooth things out? Everybody so fears the Spurs talent at talent, that they'd shun picks and rights that must surely be some kind of trojan horsery?

If the hawks appear to have sooooo much leverage, it's not because the Spurs had a lack of options... it's worse than that. it's because they just aren't as smart as sooooo many suckers buy. Cue the bs.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Teams around the league had no incentive to offer the Spurs anything in return for Tiago since it was obvious that he had to be traded to make room for LMA. The fear was that teams would actually demand a pick from the Spurs to take Tiago as part of a "salary dump". The Warriors traded David Lee for Gerald Wallace as part of a salary dump & were commended for not surrendering a pick although Lee is clearly the better player.

Except if they actually want Tiago.

[Chinook]

i think the "hawks have the ultimate leverage" case, is a bit over-blown.

The Spurs were seriously limited on time? Aldridge took his sweet time making up his mind, and the full details of the trade are still at large. I suppose hindsight is 20/20. But, part of the pitch to get LMA here was the decisive action of keeping Green and dumping Splitter? I'm starting to see the hesitation, and the need for second meetings, tbh. Was the pitch not a simple "look at these rings that Timmy and Pop win, and this shiny new maxed out Kawhi. think they're done? look at this beautiful state with limited tax, and plentiful family... you likey?" Do Green and Splitter really factor so heavily into the pitch that you gotta run out and make some lopsided deal?

And another thing. the Spurs were seriously limited on partners? Forget the notion that they're dumping Splitter, like a desperate, out of control junky. needing a LMA fix. all the branches of the Spurs management tree. Orlando, Utah, OKC, New Orleans, LAC, Philly, GS, Sacramento. Hell, did anybody read the one about Portland and Splitter? It just happened last year, is a sign and trade seriously not an additional "ace in the hole" during the negotiation game of cards? There's no Gerald Wallace or Brendan Haywood to help smooth things out? Everybody so fears the Spurs talent at talent, that they'd shun picks and rights that must surely be some kind of trojan horsery?

If the hawks appear to have sooooo much leverage, it's not because the Spurs had a lack of options... it's worse than that. it's because they just aren't as smart as sooooo many suckers buy. Cue the bs.

Most cogent thing I think I've ever seen you write.

[ceperez]

i think the "hawks have the ultimate leverage" case, is a bit over-blown.

The Spurs were seriously limited on time? Aldridge took his sweet time making up his mind, and the full details of the trade are still at large. I suppose hindsight is 20/20. But, part of the pitch to get LMA here was the decisive action of keeping Green and dumping Splitter? I'm starting to see the hesitation, and the need for second meetings, tbh. Was the pitch not a simple "look at these rings that Timmy and Pop win, and this shiny new maxed out Kawhi. think they're done? look at this beautiful state with limited tax, and plentiful family... you likey?" Do Green and Splitter really factor so heavily into the pitch that you gotta run out and make some lopsided deal?

And another thing. the Spurs were seriously limited on partners? Forget the notion that they're dumping Splitter, like a desperate, out of control junky. needing a LMA fix. all the branches of the Spurs management tree. Orlando, Utah, OKC, New Orleans, LAC, Philly, GS, Sacramento. Hell, did anybody read the one about Portland and Splitter? It just happened last year, is a sign and trade seriously not an additional "ace in the hole" during the negotiation game of cards? There's no Gerald Wallace or Brendan Haywood to help smooth things out? Everybody so fears the Spurs talent at talent, that they'd shun picks and rights that must surely be some kind of trojan horsery?

If the hawks appear to have sooooo much leverage, it's not because the Spurs had a lack of options... it's worse than that. it's because they just aren't as smart as sooooo many suckers buy. Cue the bs.

Spot on comment, Spurs have trading partners beyond just the Hawks. There are lots of team looking for a good experienced championship center. that isn't over paid.

Hawks getting Splitter for nothing is absolutely absurd. Not going to happen, I expect to hear something soon about the trade.

[AFBlue]

I don't think it really matters does it? The trade enabled the Spurs to get Aldridge. Anything on top of that of value is gravy. Obviously we'll see the riddle get solved today since the transactions to sign Aldridge will likely take place.

[ceperez]

I don't think it really matters does it? The trade enabled the Spurs to get Aldridge. Anything on top of that of value is gravy. Obviously we'll see the riddle get solved today since the transactions to sign Aldridge will likely take place.

Worse case.... Bud owes the Spurs organization big time. It's is not like he's just the coach, he's president of operations.

[vander]

it's past 8 eastern why isn't this done yet?! :madrun

[Extra Stout]

What was the objective of the Splitter trade? Was it to acquire LaMarcus Aldridge, or was it to acquire assets from the Atlanta Hawks?

And what happened? Did the Spurs acquire LaMarcus Aldridge?

If the Spurs had executed a deal where Portland signed-and-traded Aldridge to the Spurs in exchange for Splitter, would that be considered a good trade or a bad trade?

Effectively, how is what actually transpired any different from the Spurs' perspective?

[Fireball]

What was the objective of the Splitter trade? Was it to acquire LaMarcus Aldridge, or was it to acquire assets from the Atlanta Hawks?

And what happened? Did the Spurs acquire LaMarcus Aldridge?

If the Spurs had executed a deal where Portland signed-and-traded Aldridge to the Spurs in exchange for Splitter, would that be considered a good trade or a bad trade?

Effectively, how is what actually transpired any different from the Spurs' perspective? The Spurs traded Splitter to ATL (only for draft pick/s) to be able to sign Aldridge who is an unrestricted Free Agent (so no trade with POR necessary).

Because their salaries do not match, trading only Splitter for Aldridge would not be possible. Giving up extra pieces ... well that might not be such a good deal .

[ChumpDumper]

i think the "hawks have the ultimate leverage" case, is a bit over-blown.

The Spurs were seriously limited on time? Aldridge took his sweet time making up his mind, and the full details of the trade are still at large. I suppose hindsight is 20/20. But, part of the pitch to get LMA here was the decisive action of keeping Green and dumping Splitter? I'm starting to see the hesitation, and the need for second meetings, tbh. Was the pitch not a simple "look at these rings that Timmy and Pop win, and this shiny new maxed out Kawhi. think they're done? look at this beautiful state with limited tax, and plentiful family... you likey?" Do Green and Splitter really factor so heavily into the pitch that you gotta run out and make some lopsided deal?

And another thing. the Spurs were seriously limited on partners? Forget the notion that they're dumping Splitter, like a desperate, out of control junky. needing a LMA fix. all the branches of the Spurs management tree. Orlando, Utah, OKC, New Orleans, LAC, Philly, GS, Sacramento. Hell, did anybody read the one about Portland and Splitter? It just happened last year, is a sign and trade seriously not an additional "ace in the hole" during the negotiation game of cards? There's no Gerald Wallace or Brendan Haywood to help smooth things out? Everybody so fears the Spurs talent at talent, that they'd shun picks and rights that must surely be some kind of trojan horsery?

If the hawks appear to have sooooo much leverage, it's not because the Spurs had a lack of options... it's worse than that. it's because they just aren't as smart as sooooo many suckers buy. Cue the bs.You're right.

This offseason is a disaster.

[Extra Stout]

The Spurs traded Splitter to ATL (only for draft pick/s) to be able to sign Aldridge who is an unrestricted Free Agent (so no trade with POR necessary).

Because their salaries do not match, trading only Splitter for Aldridge would not be possible. Giving up extra pieces ... well that might not be such a good deal .
Thank you, but I understood all of that already. Any criticism of the front office for what they do or do not get in return from Atlanta is unwarranted and foolish. The Spurs already have accomplished their objective in trading Tiago Splitter, because they were successful in signing LaMarcus Aldridge as a free agent. Even if all they get in return from Atlanta is a pair of volt-green tube socks, they still come out well ahead.

[Marcus Bryant]

Some Spurs fans deserve to be fans of a franchise like Sacto or Charlotte for a year.

[Fireball]

Thank you, but I understood all of that already. Any criticism of the front office for what they do or do not get in return from Atlanta is unwarranted and foolish. The Spurs already have accomplished their objective in trading Tiago Splitter, because they were successful in signing LaMarcus Aldridge as a free agent. Even if all they get in return from Atlanta is a pair of volt-green tube socks, they still come out well ahead. Next time use blue font ... and you are right.

[raybies]

Chris Vivlamore ‏@CVivlamoreAJC (https://twitter.com/CVivlamoreAJC) 3m3 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/CVivlamoreAJC/status/619167271504711680)
I expect Tiago Splitter deal to be announced today. Hawks gave up rights to international player and heavily protected future 2nd.

[ace3g]

Chris Vivlamore @CVivlamoreAJC
(https://twitter.com/CVivlamoreAJC)I expect Tiago Splitter deal to be announced today. Hawks gave up rights to international player and heavily protected future 2nd.

[Chinook]

What's the point in the second? Only possible explanation I can think of is that the rights for the player don't qualify as a trade asset, so they need the second for the trade to be legal.

[Mr. Body]

Chris Vivlamore ‏@CVivlamoreAJC (https://twitter.com/CVivlamoreAJC) 3m3 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/CVivlamoreAJC/status/619167271504711680)
I expect Tiago Splitter deal to be announced today. Hawks gave up rights to international player and heavily protected future 2nd.

Heavily protected future 2nd. LOL. LOL. LOL. Has anyone ever protected a 2nd rounder before?

[BillMc]

Who is the international player? Anyone we should be excited about?

[Chinook]

Heavily protected future 2nd. LOL. LOL. LOL. Has anyone ever protected a 2nd rounder before?

Happens all the time.

[Chinook]

Who is the international player? Anyone we should be excited about?

Doubting it, if the Hawks had to include a protected second.

[Mr. Body]

Happens all the time.

When? And why now?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Doubting it, if the Hawks had to include a protected second.

Probably true, but also - why the need for the international player if they're giving a protected second unless it's someone the Spurs might have at least a slight interest in.

[raybies]

Hawks Draft Rights Retained

Name
Pos
Draft Status
Nationality


Marcus Eriksson (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Marcus-Eriksson/Summary/26852)
SG
2015 Rnd 2 Pick 20
Sweden (http://basketball.realgm.com/info/nationality/51/Sweden/E)


Dimitrios Agravanis (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Dimitrios-Agravanis/Summary/26515)
F
2015 Rnd 2 Pick 29
Greece (http://basketball.realgm.com/info/nationality/35/Greece/A)


Walter Tavares (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Walter-Tavares/Summary/39662)
C
2014 Rnd 2 Pick 13
Cape Verde (http://basketball.realgm.com/info/nationality/140/Cape-Verde/T)


Lamar Patterson (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Lamar-Patterson/Summary/6235)
GF
2014 Rnd 2 Pick 18
United States (http://basketball.realgm.com/info/nationality/1/United-States/P)


Sergii Gladyr (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Sergii-Gladyr/Summary/1639)
G
2009 Rnd 2 Pick 19
Ukraine (http://basketball.realgm.com/info/nationality/27/Ukraine/G)


Georgios Printezis (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Georgios-Printezis/Summary/18)
F
2007 Rnd 2 Pick 28
Greece (http://basketball.realgm.com/info/nationality/35/Greece/P)


Alain Digbeu (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Alain-Digbeu/Summary/888)
G-F
1997 Rnd 2 Pick 21
France (http://basketball.realgm.com/info/nationality/21/France/D)


Augusto Binelli (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Augusto-Binelli/Summary/51051)
C
1986 Rnd 2 Pick 16
Italy (http://basketball.realgm.com/info/nationality/6/Italy/B)

[nickdaquick]

When? And why now?

Didn't we just do it with the Ray McCallum trade?

[Chinook]

When? And why now?

Spurs own a protected pick from Charlotte right now. Had one from the Clips in 2014. Philly surrendered a crazy-protected pick to Boston (like one of five teams owned it depending on where Philly landed). It happens for the same reason it does with first-rounders.

[Mugen]

I like Augusto Binelli. Good Size and at 50 years old, he's probably gotten over himself at this point of his career.

[loveforthegame]

I like Augusto Binelli. Good Size and at 50 years old, he's probably gotten over himself at this point of his career.

:lol

Spit my coffee out damnit.

[Chinook]

Probably true, but also - why the need for the international player if they're giving a protected second unless it's someone the Spurs might have at least a slight interest in.

Could be that the Spurs want something, but that something happens to not count for the league rules.

[100%duncan]

No kent bazemore i guess. Fuk

[raybies]

Golden State dumped a past All-Star for Gerald Wallace. What are we expecting? We salary dumped.

[Mr. Body]

I'm surprised the pick is 'heavily' protected. Splitter is worth more than any 2nd rounder. I realize the Spurs had to sell, but this sounds like a dick move. I didn't care much before and now I'm ticked.

[Chinook]

Golden State dumped a past All-Star for Gerald Wallace. What are we expecting? We salary dumped.

They dumped him for an even bigger unwanted contract. I really hope that's not what the Spurs did here.

[Mr. Body]

Golden State dumped a past All-Star for Gerald Wallace. What are we expecting? We salary dumped.

But it wasn't a salary dump in the same way. When Greivis Marcus and Tim Hardaway (by Atlanta!) both drew 1st round picks, I'm thinking the Spurs messed this up a bit.

[Solid D]

I like Augusto Binelli. Good Size and at 50 years old, he's probably gotten over himself at this point of his career.

...and that, my friends, is quality stuff right there! Good one, Mugen.

[ceperez]

Hawks Draft Rights Retained

Name
Pos
Draft Status
Nationality


Marcus Eriksson (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Marcus-Eriksson/Summary/26852)
SG
2015 Rnd 2 Pick 20
Sweden (http://basketball.realgm.com/info/nationality/51/Sweden/E)


Dimitrios Agravanis (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Dimitrios-Agravanis/Summary/26515)
F
2015 Rnd 2 Pick 29
Greece (http://basketball.realgm.com/info/nationality/35/Greece/A)


Walter Tavares (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Walter-Tavares/Summary/39662)
C
2014 Rnd 2 Pick 13
Cape Verde (http://basketball.realgm.com/info/nationality/140/Cape-Verde/T)


Lamar Patterson (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Lamar-Patterson/Summary/6235)
GF
2014 Rnd 2 Pick 18
United States (http://basketball.realgm.com/info/nationality/1/United-States/P)


Sergii Gladyr (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Sergii-Gladyr/Summary/1639)
G
2009 Rnd 2 Pick 19
Ukraine (http://basketball.realgm.com/info/nationality/27/Ukraine/G)


Georgios Printezis (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Georgios-Printezis/Summary/18)
F
2007 Rnd 2 Pick 28
Greece (http://basketball.realgm.com/info/nationality/35/Greece/P)


Alain Digbeu (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Alain-Digbeu/Summary/888)
G-F
1997 Rnd 2 Pick 21
France (http://basketball.realgm.com/info/nationality/21/France/D)


Augusto Binelli (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Augusto-Binelli/Summary/51051)
C
1986 Rnd 2 Pick 16
Italy (http://basketball.realgm.com/info/nationality/6/Italy/B)



International player? Not many here. I doubt it is a 2015 draft pick.

[duncan2150]

It could be a player of this draft Eriksson or Agravanis ( maybe an arrangement between atlanta and sa on draft day), the other player in this trade could be Patterson

[NASpurs]

619175469066387460

[spurraider21]

Time to call up erazem lorbek

[ChumpDumper]

619175469066387460Better than I could have hoped for tbh.

[Mr. Body]

Atlanta got a gift.

[Mr. Body]

Georgios Printezis was drafted by the Spurs in 2007 then tossed to the Raps for the pick used for Goran Dragic.

[coopdogg3]

Does anybody know anything about Printezis?

[ChumpDumper]

Atlanta got a gift.Spurs got robbed!

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Spurs got robbed!

No, they got LMA. Atlanta didn't the Spurs a huge favor in taking on Splitter's contract with no salaries back to the Spurs. That was that essence of this deal. Factor in the Spurs got West for peanuts as a result, the Spurs came out way ahead.

[ChumpDumper]

No, they got LMA. Atlanta didn't the Spurs a huge favor in taking on Splitter's contract with no salaries back to the Spurs. That was that essence of this deal. Factor in the Spurs got West for peanuts as a result, the Spurs came out way ahead.That can't be right.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs got robbed!

I didn't say the Spurs got robbed. I said the Hawks got a gift. Which they did.

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't say the Spurs got robbed. I said the Hawks got a gift. Which they did.They had cap space.

That's how it works.

[Mr. Body]

I think strengthening one of Cleveland's rivals is a secondary benefit (after getting room for LMA).

[Mr. Body]

They had cap space.

That's how it works.

No fucking shit.

[ceperez]

I didn't say the Spurs got robbed. I said the Hawks got a gift. Which they did.

These Hawks give insult to injury be giving us a 55-protected 2017 2nd round pick. WTF is that?

[Marcus Bryant]

Clearing cap space to be able to sign Aldridge.

[stxspurs]

It's a player from greece...que Kill Bill Pana posting how we should have signed spatula and brontasauras

[ceperez]

Austin Daye for the minimum anyone?

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Can't wait to see Tavares shocking an absurd amount of blind butt kissers. While Aldridge wets the bed, West sits on ir, Diaw and Anderson go into slumps trying to backup Kawhi, and the Spurs sign scrub after scrub instead of simply playing Bobarian.

[SquawkinHawkBigCock]

Can't wait to see Tavares shocking an absurd amount of blind butt kissers. While Aldridge wets the bed, West sits on ir, Diaw and Anderson go into slumps trying to backup Kawhi, and the Spurs sign scrub after scrub instead of simply playing Bobarian.
You must really be a drunkard, because this doesn't make any sense.

[Axegrinder]

You must really be a drunkard, because this doesn't make any sense.Just another trollin asshat

[K...]

Can't wait to see Tavares shocking an absurd amount of blind butt kissers. While Aldridge wets the bed, West sits on ir, Diaw and Anderson go into slumps trying to backup Kawhi, and the Spurs sign scrub after scrub instead of simply playing Bobarian.

You know, there is a place where guys like Tavares and bobi get plenty of minutes....It's called Euro basketball! Nothing but soft, slow, bigs.

[PingPong]

619175469066387460

A 30years old 6'9 greek WOW!

[Leetonidas]

Can't wait to see Tavares shocking an absurd amount of blind butt kissers. While Aldridge wets the bed, West sits on ir, Diaw and Anderson go into slumps trying to backup Kawhi, and the Spurs sign scrub after scrub instead of simply playing Bobarian.

you're a retard

[Splits]

http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4993414/tiago-splitter-portrait-oil.JPG

[Budkin]

No, they got LMA. Atlanta didn't the Spurs a huge favor in taking on Splitter's contract with no salaries back to the Spurs. That was that essence of this deal. Factor in the Spurs got West for peanuts as a result, the Spurs came out way ahead.

[TheGreatYacht]

633776150511226881

[tholdren]

633776150511226881
Tiago finally coming out

[DPG21920]

I'm actually really, really excited to see Tiago with ATL this season. Definitely something I am going to watch a lot of. He could really elevate them and I want to see him outside of the Spurs franchise.

[SquawkinHawkBigCock]

BIG FUCKING MISTAKE. I GUARANTEE IT.
Sure it was

[rastaspur]

I am excited tiago went to the hawks as well. Used to be a hawks fan as a young child until d Rob went to spurs. I have starting following them again in recent years. I'm a huge tiago supporter and fan and plan on catching some games in Atlanta this year.

[Mayhem321]

I wonder if this picture was taken before the trade or if he simply didn't have Hawks gear yet.
I'm guessing it was before the trade.
(In case anyone is wondering the other guy in the picture is the best brazilian tennis player ever... and his father and Tiago's father used to play basketball together)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMcL5hOWwAAJiDO.jpg

[DrunkTXLabrat]

so excited about the hawks! no spurs no!

[hooperflash]

I wonder if this picture was taken before the trade or if he simply didn't have Hawks gear yet.
I'm guessing it was before the trade.
(In case anyone is wondering the other guy in the picture is the best brazilian tennis player ever... and his father and Tiago's father used to play basketball together)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMcL5hOWwAAJiDO.jpg

I remember that photo, was posted literally the day before the trade. At least he could say that's the team he won the chip with. :tu

[cariocaz]

Tiago was/is a great team player and excellent defender. He will be missed.

[benefactor]

Will be following Spurs East again for sure.

[tmtcsc]

Here's some new footage of Tiago Splitter after a recent National team practice:

http://images.rapgenius.com/ae8aeaf6fe05caa64d3ab339c54beed1.320x240x16.gif

[Walter Donovan]

Getting rid of Splitter: Spurs FO's biggest mistake since letting Enrique remain on the team.

[DPG21920]

It's only a mistake in context of they gave up a really good player who would be perfect for the new roster. But you don't get things for free & it's really whiny to say they should have moved Boris. In a perfect world? Sure. But when you take a gamble on a player like LMA you have to give up something.

Unless people are saying they would rather have no LMA & keep Tiago - which is a reasonable stance. We will see if LMA was worth the risk soon but I don't fault the Spurs for swinging for the fences in a controlled manner at all. Regardless of result.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1852/tristan-thompson

Thompson is still having trouble getting a deal done with the Cavs.

[wildbill2u]

Hated to lose Splitter's defense, offense not so much. But we had to give up something to get ALL-Star LMA. I don't see why there is all this sturm und drang. It'll end up a good deal unless LMA breaks a leg or something.

[PingPong]

I wonder if this picture was taken before the trade or if he simply didn't have Hawks gear yet.
I'm guessing it was before the trade.
(In case anyone is wondering the other guy in the picture is the best brazilian tennis player ever... and his father and Tiago's father used to play basketball together)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMcL5hOWwAAJiDO.jpg

Probably Kuerten brought the Jersey and Splitter just signed it.

[Kawhitstorm]

Looked pretty shitty in his Hawks debut..former Spurs system player struggling per par.

[ducks]

Lol first preseason game

[BatManu20]

Lol first preseason game

[timtonymanu]

Does he look healthy at least?

[RD2191]

BIG FUCKING MISTAKE. I GUARANTEE IT.

:wakeup

[spurraider21]

golden god getting outplayed by aron baynes :lol

[SpurPadre]

He only played 16 minutes due to foul trouble most likely. He'll have better days for them.

[HarlemHeat37]

Watched most of the game, Splitter looked fine, Hawks played with very questionable effort/energy..

They really struggled to get clean looks, though, it looked like the playoffs all over again..it'll be interesting to see if that continues..

[Kawhitstorm]

Shitter:lmao

[apalisoc_9]

I didn't watch the game, but the hawks does have a tendency to ignore their shooters...and rely on their trio teague, Horford and millsap for offense...their offense stagnate when that happens.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Bud sitting Tavares and Hardaway Jr. like a true Pop protege, with the same shit results.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Bud sitting Tavares and Hardaway Jr. like a true Pop protege, with the same shit results.


silver lining for Bud is somewhere deep down in his brown nosed nostrils... he knows better.

[gambit1990]

if bud wasn't in atl i wonder how different the offseason/roster would have been.

[BatManu20]

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