LOL CLIPPERS

[noles1983]

i wish injuries on that whole pos clipper team, serious bush league. And i hate the mavs too but this is classless. Jordan won't even talk to Cuban like a man, what a pussy I hope he tears every ligament in his knee.

[cd021]

Don't think it affects the Spurs all that much. Duncan plays likes he's 27 years old against Jordan and Blake might faint having to defend LA/Diaw/West for 40 minutes. Stephenson is coming off the worst 3pt season in NBA history, teams are going to dare him to shoot and back the paint.

[GSH]

Again, this won't work. No lawsuit will be filed. Jordan had no legal obligation to sign with Mavs and Mavs knew it.


Brah, read carefully. Take a few minutes to read up. It's not about the contract. It's not about forcing him to play.

Under promissory estoppel, you make a promise that the other person relies on, and loses a bunch of money. I didn't make it up. Lots of estoppel cases wind up with settlements being paid. This is pretty much a classic case. The only thing that I can think of that would prevent it is if there is some special provisions for sports teams.

[ernest787]

I don't understand why people are blaming the Clippers on this.

Deandre said he was going to sign with the Mavs. For whatever reason he started to second guess his decision. He DID NOT sign a contract with the mavs. He then picks up the phone and calls Doc and tell him he is second guessing his decision and wants to talk.

Why would the Clips not pursue him at that point?!?

They would have been stupid to say, "Sorry Deandre, we heard that you told the Mavs you were going to sign there. So b/c of that we can't discuss you coming back here instead when we really wanted you to pick us over Dallas in the first place."

They made the right decision. They flew to Houston. Met with Deandre, and are locking him up now.

The only thing that should have happened differently is that Deandre should have manned up and called Cubes and told him he was leaving.

[cd98]

Pretty Cuban done the right move. Jordan will no longer be welcomed in Dallas with open arms by fans for what happened, anyway.
I'd watch when these two teams first meet this season in Dallas and see the fans' reaction..

Right. It's one thing to have second thoughts. That's human and deep down we can all understand that. But to ignore and hide from a guy that wanted to pay you 80 million is classless. Just man up and be straight. He'll rumor has it the Spurs let Korver out of a contract when he had second thoughts. Cuban would have let him walk without the same hard feelings.

[cd021]

Sucks for Cuban. I respect him for fielding good teams consistently. They could of have a solid playoff team, not a contender but top six possibly.

[GSH]

David trying to keep it classy. He knows there will be hell to pay.


You can just about bet that Cuban will think of something special to make his point. Embarrass the Clippers, embarrass the league, make a game a circus sideshow? Most people will cheer and think it's funny, and Cuban will get a big-ass fine. But I just can't see him going away quietly.

[Obstructed_View]

Clippers had their chance to negotiate, and they let him go. Then the entire organization goes crying to him days after he agrees to a deal. I guarantee Mark Cuban will vote not to change the moratorium. He's going to own the Mavericks for a lot of years.

[cd98]

Brah, read carefully. Take a few minutes to read up. It's not about the contract. It's not about forcing him to play.

Under promissory estoppel, you make a promise that the other person relies on, and loses a bunch of money. I didn't make it up. Lots of estoppel cases wind up with settlements being paid. This is pretty much a classic case. The only thing that I can think of that would prevent it is if there is some special provisions for sports teams.

i know promissory estoppel well. I'm an attorney and I've been involved in many breach of contract cases. It doesn't fit under these facts. And guys like Ballmer would hire good attorneys to make it go away. And Cuban has good attorneys that would tell him not to bother. There will be no lawsuits.

[Vokun]

off topic but I started to pick at me screen thinking it was a dam fly there :lol

:lol Got em

[ElNono]

Brah, read carefully. Take a few minutes to read up. It's not about the contract. It's not about forcing him to play.

Under promissory estoppel, you make a promise that the other person relies on, and loses a bunch of money. I didn't make it up. Lots of estoppel cases wind up with settlements being paid. This is pretty much a classic case. The only thing that I can think of that would prevent it is if there is some special provisions for sports teams.

It doesn't work like that. The NBA is basically a boys club, controlled by their bylaws, and to become a member of the club, you sign off certain rights. For example, one of such rule is that the commissioner decisions are final, and you forfeit your right to sue over those decisions. Furthermore, IIRC, the bylaws include a clause for mandatory arbitration, which is pretty common in this kind of agreements.

This whole thing plays out in contract law. Cubes would have to first sue to declare the bylaws illegal, potentially risking his membership and sending the league on a spin. He's not going to do that.

EDIT: That was one of Sterling's original claims, that the bylaws were anti-competitive. Which, IIRC, was dismissed.

[ernest787]

I don't think this meets Estoppel. You have to actually have monetary loss to have a case of Estoppel.

Classic insurance example:

Your insurance carrier tell you that you have coverage after an accident. You go get you car repaired because of them telling you there is coverage. They then realize there should not have been coverage and tell you they cannot pay for your damages, but you have already had the repairs completed.

You are now out money b/c you wouldd not have gotten teh vehicle repaired if you knew there was not coverage. The insurance carrier would then have to pay for the repairs regardless b/c of this.

I dont see how the Mavs would be able to say they were out anything monetary in this situation.

[milkyway21]

I WISH POP will CONTINUE TO HACK DeANDRE next season:D. He deserves the embarassment.

[Thompson]

Pretty much Longhorn vs. Aggie. :flag:

:lmao Seriously? If you want to look at integrity when it comes to those schools, which would be more damning - a one-and-done player who was at A&M for a year (seven years ago) reneging on his verbal agreement to go to Dallas, or the Texas coaching staff waiting until the day after signing day (when kids were locked up) to announce the position coaches they committed to were leaving the school?

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/06/2015-texas-signees-not-pleased-with-dl-coachs-move-to-gators/ (leaving the day after Lampkin signs).

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/2015/07/report-texas-signee-duvonta-lampkin-appealing-ncaa-for-scholarship-release.html/ (still refusing to release Lampkin).

This is not a road you want to go down.

[GSH]

I don't understand why people are blaming the Clippers on this.




Seriously? You don't do it because it's just not done. If this gets started, if fucks up the whole offseason process. Nobody can count on any agreement during this part of the offseason. Teams don't know if they can quit pursuing other players. Hell, players don't know if they have a deal - a team could swing another player cheaper. The Players Union would have a fucking fit if that happened.

I guarantee you, the Spurs FO would refuse to talk to a player who pulled something like this. Because they would understand that there have to be some rules, or everyone is screwed. It's worse than classless.

[rexrobinson]

And then he proceeded to blow him for one hour.

If all he really wanted was man love, he should of just stuck with the Mavs.

Dick Jefferson is begging to get in on that action.

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1471021/richard-jefferson.jpg?

[mbass]

I think Jordan could be declared mentally ill. He must have a child mentality to need Clippers to protect him from Cuban giving him 80 mil. I actually feel sorry for him because he will soon become one of the most hated players in the league, and he doesn't have a clue.

My family and I will boo him at every opportunity - what a weak willed pussy.

[Mikeanaro]

Classless move by DeAnderthal, If some team is willing to pay you the max and you actually had a verbal agreement then WTF is this? I dont care about Cuban but it could have happened to us.

[hater]

Lol why r ppl saying Cuban will do anything..he will bitch and moan but wont do a damn thing

[DesignatedT]

Damn. Was hoping DJ would go to Dallas. Oh well. Glad we don't have to deal with that shit.

[ElNono]

Cubes CAN stop doing business with DJ's agent. That's certainly one option he has, and I think he could follow suit on that. DJ's agent also lost a lot of credibility here.

[picnroll]

i know promissory estoppel well. I'm an attorney and I've been involved in many breach of contract cases. It doesn't fit under these facts. And guys like Ballmer would hire good attorneys to make it go away. And Cuban has good attorneys that would tell him not to bother. There will be no lawsuits.
Not that he would but couldn't Fegan sue the crap out of Jordan.

[K...]

The correct way for this to be handled would be for the agent to handle this. jordan calls his agent says to change the contract. Agent smooths things over with Cuban like the human leach he is.

instead, they bypassed the agent (leading to fallout between agent and client) and blew of the mavs in a mocking display.

[ernest787]

Seriously? You don't do it because it's just not done. If this gets started, if fucks up the whole offseason process. Nobody can count on any agreement during this part of the offseason. Teams don't know if they can quit pursuing other players. Hell, players don't know if they have a deal - a team could swing another player cheaper. The Players Union would have a fucking fit if that happened.

I guarantee you, the Spurs FO would refuse to talk to a player who pulled something like this. Because they would understand that there have to be some rules, or everyone is screwed. It's worse than classless.
I love the Spurs, but they would be dumb if Tim Duncan said he was going to leave to Orlando, told Orlando he was coming, but before he signed the contract second guessed himself and called the Spurs.

If the Spurs passed on resigning him b/c he agreed to go to Orlando but was now second guessing his decision then they don't deserve to win.

A player has every right to agree to a deal and to then reneg on said deal. As long as they have not signed the contract then they haven't done anything wrong.

The crappy part of this is that Deandre didn't call the mavs and just man up and tell them he didn't wnat to go there anymore.

[noles1983]

if i was a billionaire like cuban i would throw so many frivolous lawsuits towards jordan just to annoy him.

[Clipper Nation]

Clippers had their chance to negotiate, and they let him go. Then the entire organization goes crying to him days after he agrees to a deal.

You do realize that DJ went crying to the Clippers, not the other way around, right? He was too much of a pussy to keep his word and too scared to leave LA and take on the responsibility of a so-called "franchise player" in the end. This is all on him. I know his camp is trying to spin it as the Clippers begging for him and his mean old agent trying to dupe him into going to the Mavs, but I can't believe people are actually buying that crap.

[RodNIc91]

It doesn't work like that. The NBA is basically a boys club, controlled by their bylaws, and to become a member of the club, you sign off certain rights. For example, one of such rule is that the commissioner decisions are final, and you forfeit your right to sue over those decisions. Furthermore, IIRC, the bylaws include a clause for mandatory arbitration, which is pretty common in this kind of agreements.

This whole thing plays out in contract law. Cubes would have to first sue to declare the bylaws illegal, potentially risking his membership and sending the league on a spin. He's not going to do that.

EDIT: That was one of Sterling's original claims, that the bylaws were anti-competitive. Which, IIRC, was dismissed.

Great post!

[GSH]

It doesn't work like that. The NBA is basically a boys club, controlled by their bylaws, and to become a member of the club, you sign off certain rights. For example, one of such rule is that the commissioner decisions are final, and you forfeit your right to sue over those decisions. Furthermore, IIRC, the bylaws include a clause for mandatory arbitration, which is pretty common in this kind of agreements.

This whole thing plays out in contract law. Cubes would have to first sue to declare the bylaws illegal, potentially risking his membership and sending the league on a spin. He's not going to do that.

EDIT: That was one of Sterling's original claims, that the bylaws were anti-competitive. Which, IIRC, was dismissed.



Meh... you're probably right about that. I know that you're right in principle. It is a boy's club, and you have to kiss the ring, and all that. I didn't know about mandatory arbitration if I had thought about it, I guess it just about goes without saying. BUT... I don't think the league (including all the other owners) are going to want this shit to get started. They've got to come up with something to nip it in the bud. That probably wouldn't include giving Cuban the right to set a different kind of precedent. But they have to do something - you can see that, can't you? This is something that ALL the other owners will see as a threat.

[noles1983]

or maybe cuban can hire a guy, full time dude and pay him just to harass jordan every day

[cd98]

Cubes CAN stop doing business with DJ's agent. That's certainly one option he has, and I think he could follow suit on that. DJ's agent also lost a lot of credibility here.
Sounds like DJ's agent wasn't involved. They froze him out. He's not dumb enough to piss off an owner like that and get a bad rep from the league.

[ernest787]

You do realize that DJ went crying to the Clippers, not the other way around, right? He was too much of a pussy to keep his word and too scared to leave LA and take on the responsibility of a so-called "franchise player" in the end. This is all on him. I know his camp is trying to spin it as the Clippers begging for him and his mean old agent trying to dupe him into going to the Mavs, but I can't believe people are actually buying that crap.
this

[Mr. Body]

Not that he would but couldn't Fegan sue the crap out of Jordan.

How? Did he sign the papers with Jordan tonight? If he carried on with him as a client he has no grounds.

[K...]

Not that he would but couldn't Fegan sue the crap out of Jordan.

I assume he gets paid for the clippers massive contract and cuts his losses and fire his client. He can't really complain about it because any damages would be speculative and there was no Dallas contract, just a verbal intent. I think the agent is fine here. All evidence shows that jordan went straight to Doc and blocked everyone else afterwards.

[mbass]

Not only is he backing out of a verbal deal with the mavs he isn't even man enough to meet with Cuban and tell him face to face

Isnt that the truth - total lack of character - what a loser.

[ElNono]

Sounds like DJ's agent wasn't involved. They froze him out. He's not dumb enough to piss off an owner like that and get a bad rep from the league.

Let's see his reaction to this whole thing. Does he drops DJ as a customer? He should. Then again, he's getting a commission out of the Clippers signing...

[cd98]

Not that he would but couldn't Fegan sue the crap out of Jordan.

Doubt it. Depends on their contract, but he's paid to represent. If DJ doesn't let him, that's DJs choice. I could see them parting ways, tho.

[Slydragon]

if i was a billionaire like cuban i would throw so many frivolous lawsuits towards jordan just to annoy him.

Yea but I'm sure the Clippers owner has a bit more coin in his pocket to protect his crybaby.

[K...]

Meh... you're probably right about that. I know that you're right in principle. It is a boy's club, and you have to kiss the ring, and all that. I didn't know about mandatory arbitration if I had thought about it, I guess it just about goes without saying. BUT... I don't think the league (including all the other owners) are going to want this shit to get started. They've got to come up with something to nip it in the bud. That probably wouldn't include giving Cuban the right to set a different kind of precedent. But they have to do something - you can see that, can't you? This is something that ALL the other owners will see as a threat.

So arbitration is really just another court. They can still force $$$$ to pass. The big reason for arbitration is privacy. But i think something like this would leak. Too much interest and too many parties involved.

[ElNono]

Meh... you're probably right about that. I know that you're right in principle. It is a boy's club, and you have to kiss the ring, and all that. I didn't know about mandatory arbitration if I had thought about it, I guess it just about goes without saying. BUT... I don't think the league (including all the other owners) are going to want this shit to get started. They've got to come up with something to nip it in the bud. That probably wouldn't include giving Cuban the right to set a different kind of precedent. But they have to do something - you can see that, can't you? This is something that ALL the other owners will see as a threat.

The way this is handled is in owner's meetings. And I suspect it will be addressed.

I was reading that originally there was no moratorium. But that caused teams to talk to players "off the record" and it was a mess, which is why the moratorium was implemented.

[cd98]

You do realize that DJ went crying to the Clippers, not the other way around, right? He was too much of a pussy to keep his word and too scared to leave LA and take on the responsibility of a so-called "franchise player" in the end. This is all on him. I know his camp is trying to spin it as the Clippers begging for him and his mean old agent trying to dupe him into going to the Mavs, but I can't believe people are actually buying that crap.

Dude, don't make excuses for your sorry franchise. Just admit they acted low class and move on.

[Strategic]

http://i.imgur.com/kqZ7WL3.gif

:lmaoDammit!

[peacemaker885]

Pathetic move.

[Vokun]

July 8th, 2010 – “The Decision”
July 8th, 2015 – “The Indecision”

[GSH]

i know promissory estoppel well. I'm an attorney and I've been involved in many breach of contract cases. It doesn't fit under these facts. And guys like Ballmer would hire good attorneys to make it go away. And Cuban has good attorneys that would tell him not to bother. There will be no lawsuits.


Yeah, but are you a good attorney? Just kidding. I'll defer to the attorney. Thanks for the info.

Like I said to Nono, though, the league is going to have to make a statement. And I don't think they'll reward the Clippers for a move like this. The collective weight of the owners has to be given some weight. And I can't imagine that any of the others are please with the prospect of this happening to them.

[Clipper Nation]

Dude, don't make excuses for your sorry franchise. Just admit they acted low class and move on.

I'm not making excuses at all. DJ is the one making excuses for his cowardice by trying to deflect the blame onto his agent and his team. He's a mental midget who is too immature to take full responsibility for his actions.

[cd98]

Let's see his reaction to this whole thing. Does he drops DJ as a customer? He should. Then again, he's getting a commission out of the Clippers signing...

Yes, he's got a couple million reasons not to drop him.

[RD2191]

Am I the only one who thinks this is hilarious and Lmao eat shit Cuban?

[ElNono]

So arbitration is really just another court. They can still force $$$$ to pass. The big reason for arbitration is privacy. But i think something like this would leak. Too much interest and too many parties involved.

Plus the commissioner can simply say there was no wrongdoing, and the decision would be final.

Just as likely, the commissioner could say that the Clippers needs to compensate the Mavs. And that would be final too.

Commissioner is king, basically.

[ElNono]

Yes, he's got a couple million reasons not to drop him.

which then raises the question whether he was really "freezed out" or he stayed out to save face with Cubes... don't forget he gets more money if DJ goes back to the Clips...

[mbass]

And Blake's tweets are funny but classless.

Blake thinks everything is about winning - character and your word doesn't matter. I've lost all respect for him as well as Doc Rivers. The Clippers need to be greeted at every NBA arena this upcoming season with BOOs.

[picnroll]

How? Did he sign the papers with Jordan tonight? If he carried on with him as a client he has no grounds.
I said "could". If he continues acting as Jordan's agent obviously he can't. I read in one of these threads where Boozer's agent had the integrity to drop Boozer as a client when he signed with the Jazz. Didn't go as far as suing him but either out if integrity or not wanting to sully his reputation with all the other owners at least dumped Boozer.

[windboy226]

I assume he gets paid for the clippers massive contract and cuts his losses and fire his client. He can't really complain about it because any damages would be speculative and there was no Dallas contract, just a verbal intent. I think the agent is fine here. All evidence shows that jordan went straight to Doc and blocked everyone else afterwards.

If he doesn't fire Deandre the Mavs front office is will probably cut the close relationship they've had with Fegan for the last 15 years. Can't believe ANYONE would handcuff any organization like this. CP3/Deandre can suck a nut.

Hoping the Spurs roll the Clips and they all die ringless.

[cd98]

Yeah, but are you a good attorney? Just kidding. I'll defer to the attorney. Thanks for the info.

Like I said to Nono, though, the league is going to have to make a statement. And I don't think they'll reward the Clippers for a move like this. The collective weight of the owners has to be given some weight. And I can't imagine that any of the others are please with the prospect of this happening to them.

i think the league will make a rule going forward. I think other team owners will ostracize Clippers and Jordan.

[cutewizard]

oh shit

just entered the forum only to be shocked again, ahahah

what the hell?

there is a term for it in spanish, its called DELICADEZA.......

translated into something like "sense of honor in interpersonal relations"

what the hell, this fucking gorilla Deandre definitely DOES NOT have delicadeza.....

anyway, it doesnt matter, we are going to obliterate everyone....

[mbass]

It wouldn't shock me if this guy becomes broke after his career is over. The clippers are frightened that this guy could change his decision if he's left alone that in itself tells me this guy can easily be conned into losing his money.

A real low IQ guy in every way.

[cutewizard]

July 8th, 2010 – “The Decision”
July 8th, 2015 – “The Indecision”


lol

very apt!

[Obstructed_View]

You do realize that DJ went crying to the Clippers, not the other way around, right? He was too much of a pussy to keep his word and too scared to leave LA and take on the responsibility of a so-called "franchise player" in the end. This is all on him. I know his camp is trying to spin it as the Clippers begging for him and his mean old agent trying to dupe him into going to the Mavs, but I can't believe people are actually buying that crap.


The scene at Jordan's home turned surreal in the wake of that revelation, as Clippers owner Steve Ballmer, coach and president of basketball operations Doc Rivers, forward Blake Griffin, point guard Chris Paul, shooting guard J.J. Redick, and small forward Paul Pierce all gathered at the meeting to inspire this DeAndre double back and later stayed by his side at his home as the clock kept ticking. The Mavericks have been attempting to get another meeting with Jordan as well, but it appears all but impossible considering the company he's keeping.

You understand that Jordan's home is in Houston, where he lives and none of those other people live, right? :lol

[cd98]

I'm not making excuses at all. DJ is the one making excuses for his cowardice by trying to deflect the blame onto his agent and his team. He's a mental midget who is too immature to take full responsibility for his actions.

He is a mental midget, but how do we know it was him that reached out and not his teammates. They acted more bizarre than him.

[beirmeistr]

ClipperGate

[cutewizard]

so, let us not fear the fucking Clippers and just go on with Spurs business as usual...

i hope this makes us go "below the radar" once more

let the accursed Clippers get all the attention


(ugh, i hate those Chris Paul commercials in NBA TV!!!!)

[Clipper Nation]

i think the league will make a rule going forward. I think other team owners will ostracize Clippers and Jordan.
This league is a joke if they ostracize an entire franchise for one player being an immature piece of shit. Especially when the Lakers weren't ostracized after Kirby raped, the Blazers weren't ostracized after the Jail Blazers era, etc.

[Mr. Body]

i think the league will make a rule going forward. I think other team owners will ostracize Clippers and Jordan.

How are they going to ostracize them? This is why I think the owners will decide on a punishment in draft pick(s) and money. I know you'll say this is unenforceable, but the Clippers will take it as price of readmission into the gang. There's league-wide comity of importance.

[Obstructed_View]

Am I the only one who thinks this is hilarious and Lmao eat shit Cuban?

No, you aren't. Part of me thinks this is excellent karma for shit Cuban's done in the past. But I'm also going to really enjoy when the Karma bites the Clippers in the ass.

[cutewizard]

peste DeAndre Jordan,

lol

[Mr. Body]

This league is a joke if they ostracize an entire franchise for one player being an immature piece of shit. Especially when the Lakers weren't ostracized after Kirby raped, the Blazers weren't ostracized after the Jail Blazers era, etc.

Don't be a dope. Jordan is one of the least badly behaved people involved on the Clippers side tonight.

[cd98]

which then raises the question whether he was really "freezed out" or he stayed out to save face with Cubes... don't forget he gets more money if DJ goes back to the Clips...

Yep, hard to say. But an agent doesn't want to piss off all the other owners. That's bad for future business.

[GSH]

Plus the commissioner can simply say there was no wrongdoing, and the decision would be final.

Just as likely, the commissioner could say that the Clippers needs to compensate the Mavs. And that would be final too.

Commissioner is king, basically.


That's the ultimate truth bomb, right there. No doubt about it. And now that I think about it, they would never let Cuban go rogue with a lawsuit. Even if he had grounds, they keep stuff in-house. And it probably needs to be that way.


But I still think Cuban will find some way to make a statement. Create some kind of circus sideshow involving the Clippers and/or Jordan. He'll pay the fine, just to get a shot in. Sterling will be livid. I'll think it's funny. At least that's what I'm hoping for. I don't like Cuban, but he's got style on stuff like this.

[mbass]

Curious about the fallout. I see draft picks going to the Mavs plus money. I wonder if Fagen gets any grief. Cuban will have it out for Ballmer. Amazing situation. Feel for Dirk, I really do.

Same here - Dirk is a really good guy and deserves the best.

[picnroll]

I assume he gets paid for the clippers massive contract and cuts his losses and fire his client. He can't really complain about it because any damages would be speculative and there was no Dallas contract, just a verbal intent. I think the agent is fine here. All evidence shows that jordan went straight to Doc and blocked everyone else afterwards.
Maybe I'm wrong but I'm assuming there is a binding agreement between Fegan and Jordan that Negotiations are to go through Fegan and it's Fegan's reputation and relationships that's on the line. This may not hurt him but certainly isn't going to help him in future negotiations

[Clipper Nation]

You understand that Jordan's home is in Houston, where he lives and none of those other people live, right? :lol

And? He begged them to come to his house and meet with him because he backed out of the deal with Dallas. He also cut off all communication with Dallas yesterday, apparently.

It's very obvious that DJ did (ironically) the same thing Elton Brand did to the Clippers - gave his word to one team, decided he made a mistake, backed out of the deal, turned his phone off and hid from his now former team, and signed elsewhere. Back in the day, Brand got all the blame for that little maneuver. Why it's somehow not DJ's fault now is beyond me.

[mbass]

This. Unbelievably classless. Do these idiots think people are going to forget this shit?

Fans won't forget this - just as they haven't forgotten Boozer and Brand.

[Strategic]

:lol Damn Clips

618944732203319296Cuban should just text good riddance to the wishy washy turd. This change of heart is worse than Caitlyn's, unless your a left coaster.

[ElNono]

Yep, hard to say. But an agent doesn't want to piss off all the other owners. That's bad for future business.

It has happened before. baseline bum was just giving an example that happened to the Spurs in '99. Pop never did business with the agent (Arn Tellem) anymore.

[ViceCity86]

618960135050825729

Comedy Gold :lmao

[Clipper Nation]

Don't be a dope. Jordan is one of the least badly behaved people involved on the Clippers side tonight.

Bullshit. DJ orchestrated the whole thing because he was too chickenshit to keep his word or even tell Cuban he changed his mind. It's all on him. End of story.

[tholdren]

Comedy Gold :lmao
which is why the world is becoming a terrible place - kids without a job thinking this is funny.

[Mr. Body]

Bullshit. DJ orchestrated the whole thing because he was too chickenshit to keep his word or even tell Cuban he changed his mind. It's all on him. End of story.

You're kidding yourself. The rest of the team come off super bad from this.

[Clipper Nation]

You're kidding yourself. The rest of the team come off super bad from this.
The rest of the team was widely hated to begin with, much of it justified and some of it unjustified, so of course people are going to reach for reasons to blame them for it. At the end of the day, though, this is simply about one "man" who couldn't keep his word. No different than what Brand did to us.

[Gooshie]

If I were Cuban, I would call Paul Pierce directly right now and offer him a one year max, $20million+ contract. Let's see him say no to that.

[Mr. Body]

The rest of the team was widely hated to begin with, much of it justified and some of it unjustified, so of course people are going to reach for reasons to blame them for it. At the end of the day, though, this is simply about one "man" who couldn't keep his word. No different than what Brand did to us.

You're kidding yourself.

[picnroll]

The league is the owners and the owners just saw the Clippers totally fuck up the system that teams restructure during the off season. There will be repercussions and changes, bet on it.

[Obstructed_View]

And? He begged them to come to his house and meet with him because he backed out of the deal with Dallas. He also cut off all communication with Dallas yesterday, apparently.

It's very obvious that DJ did (ironically) the same thing Elton Brand did to the Clippers - gave his word to one team, decided he made a mistake, backed out of the deal, turned his phone off and hid from his now former team, and signed elsewhere. Back in the day, Brand got all the blame for that little maneuver. Why it's somehow not DJ's fault now is beyond me.

:lmao Are you for real? Because the entire Clippers organization came running. Elton Brand and his agent never claimed to have made any verbal agreement, he just opted out to help the team sign free agents, and negotiations broke down after Baron Davis was signed. And nobody in the Sixers organization showed up at his house at any time, blocking representatives from other teams from getting in the fucking door. :lol

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The rest of the team was widely hated to begin with, much of it justified and some of it unjustified, so of course people are going to reach for reasons to blame them for it. At the end of the day, though, this is simply about one "man" who couldn't keep his word. No different than what Brand did to us.
Why did the douche bags all have to go to Houston if it was all on Jordan?

[Axegrinder]

Det Aggie edumacation tho:downspin:

[Aztecfan03]

This is so fucked up. If Jordan doesn't commit they'd have been able to at least land Lopez or Koufos, or maybe Asik.


Keep Chandler or Greg Monroe

CHandler and monroe committed well before DJ, and I think Lopez did too.

[Obstructed_View]

Fans won't forget this - just as they haven't forgotten Boozer and Brand.

Brand never made a verbal agreement. He opted out, not the team. There was a bidding war during the moratorium. The Clippers felt screwed by it because they signed Baron Davis at Brand's request, then they couldn't offer Brand enough money to keep him. Dunleavy later, in an attempt to save face, claimed to have offered Brand more money than was possible under the salary cap.

[Aztecfan03]

I think the Mavs easily keep Chandler if they offer the same 4/52 deal he took with Phoenix.
doesn't matter. He was committed well before jordan committed.

[Despot]

Wow... This is so weird it brought me out of Lurkmode. Not even the LMA news got my lazy ass to type in my password.

My takeaway...

Free agency will have major tweaks coming.

Imagine the cavs sending Lebron to the spurs on the first day of the moratorium so that the Spurs do not pursue Aldredge, only to have Lebron take his talents back to Cleveland at the last minute. Too much room for shady stuff to go on.

While I am not sure DJ or the Clippers can be sued, fined or punished, they will surely face repercussions by other teams, players etc. Would several free agents who agreed to terms after DJ have a legal argument to say they took deals at C-market value when they could have gotten B-market value? What happens if Cuban accuses the Clippers of planning this? That could surely open up legal avenues. Either way I am sure the NBA Lawyers are going over various agreements as we type to ensure any type of punishment. Remember, At first everyone said Silver could not force out Sterling.

I believe the Clippers are trying to be funny and are exaggerating about not leaving his house to get him to sign and to deflect what big douchebags they are being. That and joking about kidnapping will backfire for them and the rest of the league in the future. I am pretty sure they got there, he said "yeah I'll come back, by the way, why don't you guys stay the night?" I could see rules regulating accumulated time and money spent among other things recruiting free agents.

Maybe a letter of intent with some more legal bite than say a college letter of intent. Hefty fine for breaking intent.

Maybe DJ was upset about not being the big story in Free agency this year? Well, he will be remembered along time for this, especially when the DJ free agency rules take effect.


***Edit*** Forgot what signature I had, kinda awkward....

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I have to say, on top of this offseason for the Spurs, this is pretty fucking entertaining. Spurstalk hasn't been this much fun in a long time.

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao Are you for real? Because the entire Clippers organization came running. Elton Brand and his agent never claimed to have made any verbal agreement, he just opted out to help the team sign free agents, and negotiations broke down after Baron Davis was signed. And nobody in the Sixers organization showed up at his house at any time, blocking representatives from other teams from getting in the fucking door. :lol
Mike Dunleavy has said multiple times that Brand told him to his face that he was coming back, conditional to the Baron signing, and even shook on it. After we signed Baron, he stopped answering any calls from the Clippers altogether (like DJ), signed elsewhere (like DJ), and tried to pin it on his agent (like DJ).

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Chandler probably made his decision based on thinking he could get Aldridge to go to the Suns.

[Obstructed_View]

Mike Dunleavy has said multiple times that Brand told him to his face that he was coming back, conditional to the Baron signing, and even shook on it. After we signed Baron, he stopped answering any calls from the Clippers altogether (like DJ), signed elsewhere (like DJ), and tried to pin it on his agent (like DJ).

Dunleavy also, as I posted above, said that he offered Brand more money than he was able to, which is bullshit. Brand's agent said that Dunleavy was attempting to negotiate with Brand without his agent present, and there was never a news release of any kind saying that Brand had agreed to anything with the Clippers.

[GSH]

Brand never made a verbal agreement. He opted out, not the team. There was a bidding war during the moratorium. The Clippers felt screwed by it because they signed Baron Davis at Brand's request, then they couldn't offer Brand enough money to keep him. Dunleavy later, in an attempt to save face, claimed to have offered Brand more money than was possible under the salary cap.


And the Cavs tried to make a wink-wink agreement with Boozer, which is totally out of bounds. They said that they would let him out of the team option, and then re-sign him to a big contract. Still a chickenshit move by Boozer, but the Cavs owner knew he was breaking the rules, too.

[TheGoldStandard]

CHandler and monroe committed well before DJ, and I think Lopez did too.

I get that but if you're Dallas you walk away from the initial pitch or their second conversation especially after LAC made their pitch and they feel great about their situation so they let DAJ marinate on it thinking they have it in the bag meanwhile they stopped making calls on other players. If after there initial dinner and conversation if they felt he was leaning towards LAC they would have made other phone calls I'm sure but they felt they were all in on him and I'm sure they gave that impression.. Regardless its just bush league for a player to do that and waste a teams time. No matter... the guy earned himself some serious bad karma

[Obstructed_View]

And the Cavs tried to make a wink-wink agreement with Boozer, which is totally out of bounds. They said that they would let him out of the team option, and then re-sign him to a big contract. Still a chickenshit move by Boozer, but the Cavs owner knew he was breaking the rules, too.

Yeah, I agree with that. If nothing else, I think it's fair to say the Cavs were guilty of being stupid, since Carlos would have been a RFA the next season. The resignation of Boozer's agent suggests that he wasn't on board with what Boozer did, though.

I don't know how the Mavs can look out for their interests if a guy locks up all their cap money for five or six days and then goes back to his team an hour before the moratorium ends. If this becomes okay for players and teams to do, this process is going to fucking suck.

[baseline bum]

First thing I thought of :lol

Pop never spoke to Arn Tellem (Murray's agent) again.

(Damn, I just read that Tellem is now working in the Pistons front office. Don't expect any Spurs/Pistons trades any time soon.)

Did you know Tellem is only one month removed from being Aldridge's agent? Holy fuck the Pistons did the Spurs a solid.

[Despot]

And the Cavs tried to make a wink-wink agreement with Boozer, which is totally out of bounds. They said that they would let him out of the team option, and then re-sign him to a big contract. Still a chickenshit move by Boozer, but the Cavs owner knew he was breaking the rules, too.

I just refreshed myself about the other instances where these instances occurred. NONE are as cut and dry as what DJ has done. Not even close. Others are all he said she said, and could have been GM's and coaches trying saving face and it gets out of hand.

[cutewizard]

this is surreal!!!!

hahahahaha

[cutewizard]

check this out:

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/7/8/8914659/the-clippers-mavericks-battle-for-deandre-jordan-is-all-out-emoji

[physics dude]

Reading through this thread as a die hard Mavs fan since 1980 makes me step back and realize how much class you all have. Huge difference between this place and Clutch Fans.

[baseline bum]

CHandler and monroe committed well before DJ, and I think Lopez did too.

Nah, if you go back and read the Aldridge mega thread everyone was excited when DJ agreed to terms with Dallas because it meant he wasn't going to New York. and thus the Knicks were going to poach Lopez from Portland.

[mbass]

This league is a joke if they ostracize an entire franchise for one player being an immature piece of shit. Especially when the Lakers weren't ostracized after Kirby raped, the Blazers weren't ostracized after the Jail Blazers era, etc.

Sorry, but it's the whole Clipper organization - players, owner and coach flew to Houston to basically hold Jordan hostage in his own home. Would'nt even let Jordan talk to Cuban to explain his change of heart. Total lack of character of all those involved, including Doc.

[cutewizard]

poor Mark Cuban, who's gonna take Dirk's torch into the 21st century??!!

lol

[Clipper Nation]

Dunleavy also, as I posted above, said that he offered Brand more money than he was able to, which is bullshit.

I have no idea where you were getting that from, because the Clippers matched Philly's offer and threw in a no-trade clause. He and his agent had also publicly announced that the reason he opted out of the last year of his previous contract was to give the Clippers cap flexibility to build around him. Oh, and he made us sign fat-ass Baron for $65 million. We got screwed worse than Dallas, to be honest.

[Holden_Caulfield]

lol mavs, too bad now they cant overpay lin

[Clipper Nation]

Sorry, but it's the whole Clipper organization - players, owner and coach flew to Houston to basically hold Jordan hostage in his own home. Would'nt even let Jordan talk to Cuban to explain his change of heart. Total lack of character of all those involved, including Doc.
And again, this is a falsehood being pushed by a few of the more sensational reporters. It was DJ's choice to not talk to Cuban.

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How many hostage situations do you know of in which the hostage's mother orders food for their captors, BTW?


The Clippers' contigent had a short meeting with Jordan on Wednesday afternoon, when it became clear they didn't need to sell him hard on reneging on his commitment to the Dallas Mavericks, sources said. He had already decided to return to the Clippers. Before long, it was clear Jordan was committed to re-signing and some visitors started to play card games for the rest of the evening. Jordan's mother ordered out food for her Clippers guests, too, a source said.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/nba_impact/print.html?entry=/2015/07/clippers_settle_in_at_home_of.html

It's stunning that people actually believe the Clippers were barricading DJ in his own home and not letting him talk to Cuban. Are you people out of your minds? It's obvious to anyone not blinded by hate that DJ was just using any excuse to avoid Cuban like the plague.

[mbass]

:lmao Are you for real? Because the entire Clippers organization came running. Elton Brand and his agent never claimed to have made any verbal agreement, he just opted out to help the team sign free agents, and negotiations broke down after Baron Davis was signed. And nobody in the Sixers organization showed up at his house at any time, blocking representatives from other teams from getting in the fucking door. :lol

This - The actions of the Clippers organization were unreal. Lost all respect for the whole crew.

[physics dude]

This - The actions of the Clippers organization were unreal. Lost all respect for the whole crew.

This will be the first time in decades I will actually be rooting for the Lakers in a game during the season. Clippers are a disgrace. And this opinion is coming in from so many sources. Former GMs, players, etc.

[ace3g]

Ben Bolch @latbbolch
(https://twitter.com/latbbolch)DeAndre Jordan's deal is for four years with an opt-out after the third year.


Ben Bolch @latbbolch
(https://twitter.com/latbbolch)DeAndre Jordan's deal is for four years with an opt-out after the third year.


Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)I've heard same as @sam_amick (https://twitter.com/sam_amick/), who just tweeted DeAndre Jordan, in the end, is opting for a four-year deal as opposed to full five-year max

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And again, this is a falsehood being pushed by a few of the more sensational reporters. It was DJ's choice to not talk to Cuban.

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http://blog.oregonlive.com/nba_impact/print.html?entry=/2015/07/clippers_settle_in_at_home_of.html

It's stunning that people actually believe the Clippers were barricading DJ in his own home and not letting him talk to Cuban. Are you people out of your minds? It's obvious to anyone not blinded by hate that DJ was just using any excuse to avoid Cuban like the plague.

So again, why did all the douche bags convene in Houston?

[024]

Fucking Clippers, another team to worry about in the Western Conference. Now that the Clippers kept their team together and have legitimate wings in Pierce and Stephenson, they will be a top 4 team in the West.

[RD2191]

Fucking Clippers, another team to worry about in the Western Conference. Now that the Clippers kept their team together and have legitimate wings in Pierce and Stephenson, they will be a top 4 team in the West.
Don't matter, CP3 is a choker. Won't make it past the 2nd round next season.

[Obstructed_View]

I have no idea where you were getting that from, because the Clippers matched Philly's offer and threw in a no-trade clause. He and his agent had also publicly announced that the reason he opted out of the last year of his previous contract was to give the Clippers cap flexibility to build around him. Oh, and he made us sign fat-ass Baron for $65 million. We got screwed worse than Dallas, to be honest.

ESPN, the LA Times. Do a Google search. It's all over the place. Brand did announce that he was opting out to give them flexibility. Then they signed Baron and reportedly offered him less money and a take-it-or-leave-it message. Then Donald Sterling told David Falk that he was okay with Brand staying or going. The Warriors and Sixers didn't have any problem with Brand's injury, and they offered him more money. According to the LA Times, they couldn't offer brand more than five years and 70 million. Just found another LAT article that says Dunleavy renounced some players which is how he was able to up the offer to 81 million, which is ten mil less than Philly.

In no place anywhere is it reported that Brand verbally agreed to anything with the Clippers. They assumed they were going to sign him and managed to fuck it up. This is not Cleveland and Boozer, by any stretch of the imagination. Anyone with a brain would have locked him up before getting Davis.

[GSH]

I just refreshed myself about the other instances where these instances occurred. NONE are as cut and dry as what DJ has done. Not even close. Others are all he said she said, and could have been GM's and coaches trying saving face and it gets out of hand.


Yep. This is serious shit. I'm no Cuban fan, but this is bad for the whole league. Bad for the game. You just can't do business if you can't count on having an agreement with a player.

[ace3g]

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[024]

Don't matter, CP3 is a choker. Won't make it past the 2nd round next season.
What if the Spurs meet the Clips in the first round again? Clippers improved in the offseason, no denying that. They can have Pierce making clutch plays if Paul shrinks again.

[Mugen]

Why is Big Baby there?

[RD2191]

Paul Pierce is a huge faggot. Can't wait for SA to beat up on the Clippers next season.

[Despot]

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/ea/db/55/eadb5530617c3b2707613e94532c6a4a.jpg


I knew it.... official beer of the Clippers..

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ESPN said agent had to be there

[RD2191]

What if the Spurs meet the Clips in the first round again? Clippers improved in the offseason, no denying that. They can have Pierce making clutch plays if Paul shrinks again.
The Spurs were coming off of a conference finals run and back to back finals. They were tired, very tired. LMA brings much needed hunger and energy to the team. I also expect Kawhi to keep growing on offense. I just don't fear the Clips, tbh. Spurs took them to 7 without HCA and it took a game winner for the clips to beat them.

[GSH]

oh shit

what the hell, this fucking gorilla Deandre definitely DOES NOT have delicadeza.....




Well you just blew your chance at the Mister Rogers "Won't You Be My Neighbor" award.

And here we all thought you were all nice, all the time. :lol

[Spursmania]

The Spurs were coming off of a conference finals run and back to back finals. They were tired, very tired. LMA brings much needed hunger and energy to the team. I also expect Kawhi to keep growing on offense. I just don't fear the Clips, tbh. Spurs took them to 7 without HCA and it took a game winner for the clips to beat them.

This plus the addition of West is definitely better than adding Pierce for the Clips.

[Aztecfan03]

This league is a joke if they ostracize an entire franchise for one player being an immature piece of shit. Especially when the Lakers weren't ostracized after Kirby raped, the Blazers weren't ostracized after the Jail Blazers era, etc.

It's clear from all the tweets that Jordan was far from being the only immature piece of shit here.

[rastaspur]

Meh... you're probably right about that. I know that you're right in principle. It is a boy's club, and you have to kiss the ring, and all that. I didn't know about mandatory arbitration if I had thought about it, I guess it just about goes without saying. BUT... I don't think the league (including all the other owners) are going to want this shit to get started. They've got to come up with something to nip it in the bud. That probably wouldn't include giving Cuban the right to set a different kind of precedent. But they have to do something - you can see that, can't you? This is something that ALL the other owners will see as a threat.

El no-no is spot on. It's during a moratorium that per NBA rules. Antitrust laws exempts NBA, NFL , etc. From being considered monopolies. Cuban files suit then clips would invoke nbas mandatory mediation grievance procedure. NBA keeps power of the situation when compared to catching a presidentially appointed federal judge who may not be predictable and it keeps the nbas dirty laundry from being public record and a bigger spectacle. NBA is the house and holds all the cards.

Cuban is a smart business man. He won't waste money. He will chalk it up as a lesson learned and try to get revenge 10 fold. He strikes me as a vindictive cutt throat mfer if you cross him and leave a knife in his back.

It should be excellent entertainment for years to come. The drama Dallas is back in a sense. Let these two rich white men come to war over a whorish monkeyballer. Jordan's such a little slut and cocktease.

Also, Blake Griffin forgot to explain why that chair was placed in the room like that. Cause cp3 let Jordan face bang him cuckold style in the corner while the whole entourage watched. Apology accepted upon swallow I reckon

[Obstructed_View]

It's clear from all the tweets that Jordan was far from being the only immature piece of shit here.

But unlike any of the other things mentioned, only one side is in the wrong here. The Mavericks did absolutely nothing wrong or untoward. They negotiated in good faith and thought they locked him up. I'm unsure how DJ's agent doesn't end up in really bad shape after this.

[BatManu20]

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[Axegrinder]

DJ gonna be 29 teams Pinata next year

[Despot]

And again, this is a falsehood being pushed by a few of the more sensational reporters. It was DJ's choice to not talk to Cuban.

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http://blog.oregonlive.com/nba_impact/print.html?entry=/2015/07/clippers_settle_in_at_home_of.html

It's stunning that people actually believe the Clippers were barricading DJ in his own home and not letting him talk to Cuban. Are you people out of your minds? It's obvious to anyone not blinded by hate that DJ was just using any excuse to avoid Cuban like the plague.

Wow... How many Clippers does it take to not answer a phone or not answer a door.

[pgardn]

I think if both parties just relaxed and popped in a tape of Jordan shooting free throws he might become a hot potato.

"Youch, you hold it, no you..."

[RD2191]

This plus the addition of West is definitely better than adding Pierce for the Clips.
Yup, West and Manu should do some damage off the bench.

[ace3g]

Danny Green @DGreen_14
(https://twitter.com/DGreen_14)80 in Texas is a lot more than 80 in California lol

[Dverde]

He upset the basketball gods. Clippers not winning shit. Just like Boozer and Brand. Doc is the ultimate snake oil salesman. They should have held out until next offseason. DJ not worth the max. Either team loses to the Spurs anyway.

[BatManu20]

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[ace3g]

Danny Green @DGreen_14
(https://twitter.com/DGreen_14)Humidity of course https://ton.twimg.com/tweetdeck-web/web/assets/emoji/light/1f602.3a54518c1e.png

[RD2191]

Gawd dammit, does Green enjoy getting shit on by Pop? :lol

[Aztecfan03]

Nah, if you go back and read the Aldridge mega thread everyone was excited when DJ agreed to terms with Dallas because it meant he wasn't going to New York. and thus the Knicks were going to poach Lopez from Portland.
And if you go back, Lopez had already agreed with knicks as long as knicks couldn't get DJ. Knicks still wouldn't have gotten DJ, so lopez was theirs.

[Dverde]

DG is right. Why not sign for more money. That was the advantage the clippers had over the mavs. What an idiot.

[Aztecfan03]

I have no idea where you were getting that from, because the Clippers matched Philly's offer and threw in a no-trade clause. He and his agent had also publicly announced that the reason he opted out of the last year of his previous contract was to give the Clippers cap flexibility to build around him. Oh, and he made us sign fat-ass Baron for $65 million. We got screwed worse than Dallas, to be honest.
sounds more akin to Lebron leaving the heat.

[LakerHater]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJcb7uKUAAAy8mZ.jpg:small

[GSH]

Danny Green @DGreen_14
(https://twitter.com/DGreen_14)80 in Texas is a lot more than 80 in California lol




He don't do maf.

(Jordan, not Danny. chill.)

[Aztecfan03]

But unlike any of the other things mentioned, only one side is in the wrong here. The Mavericks did absolutely nothing wrong or untoward. They negotiated in good faith and thought they locked him up. I'm unsure how DJ's agent doesn't end up in really bad shape after this.
agreed. Not sure about the agent. He wasn't actually their for the signing. someone else from the firm was.

[Johnny RIngo]

First thing I thought of :lol

Pop never spoke to Arn Tellem (Murray's agent) again.

(Damn, I just read that Tellem is now working in the Pistons front office. Don't expect any Spurs/Pistons trades any time soon.)

I find that hard to believe considering he was Pau's agent last summer(when the Spurs were trying to convince him to sign here):

"The NBA champion San Antonio Spurs have inquired with Gasol's agent Arn Tellem, expressing an interest, sources said, but the Spurs can't become a legitimate suitor unless Gasol significantly drops his asking price."

[rastaspur]

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I guess cp3 is already on the offensive and generically denying that Jordan face fucked him tonight to square things. 10-4 , cp3. We won't assume it to be true just because you are a little bitch.

[Beaverfuzz]

The Spurs were coming off of a conference finals run and back to back finals. They were tired, very tired. LMA brings much needed hunger and energy to the team. I also expect Kawhi to keep growing on offense. I just don't fear the Clips, tbh. Spurs took them to 7 without HCA and it took a game winner for the clips to beat them.

And even that shouldn't have happened. Spurs choked away game 6 and fucked up their chance at destiny.

[Aztecfan03]

which then raises the question whether he was really "freezed out" or he stayed out to save face with Cubes... don't forget he gets more money if DJ goes back to the Clips...
nope only signing for 4 years.

[RD2191]

And even that shouldn't have happened. Spurs choked away game 6 and fucked up their chance at destiny.
Yup.

[rastaspur]

After how this played out, this might have been the greatest troll job ever or a case of butthurt between Jordan and cp3 the likes of which have never been seen. Bitch move anyway you spin it or dissect it though. Hilarious.

[SpursBig3s]

in for later

[spursistan]

The Spurs were coming off of a conference finals run and back to back finals. They were tired, very tired. LMA brings much needed hunger and energy to the team. I also expect Kawhi to keep growing on offense. I just don't fear the Clips, tbh. Spurs took them to 7 without HCA and it took a game winner for the clips to beat them.

+ Pop going soft and in shameless vacation mode, bearhugging Doc Rivers pre- and post match with zero competitive edge in him..Next year he'll be coaching..

[ducks]

Agent was suppose to be there when deal was signed he sent assistant
Agent and Jordan not getting along

[spurtech09]

Paul Pierce is a huge faggot. Can't wait for SA to beat up on the Clippers next season.Paul Pierce is washed up.....

[ducks]

Cuban is looking at all options

[Obstructed_View]

I find that hard to believe considering he was Pau's agent last summer(when the Spurs were trying to convince him to sign here):

"The NBA champion San Antonio Spurs have inquired with Gasol's agent Arn Tellem, expressing an interest, sources said, but the Spurs can't become a legitimate suitor unless Gasol significantly drops his asking price."

I suppose Pop didn't need to be the one making the inquiry, and RC is technically the one to make the decision.

[spurtech09]

LA sold there soul to the Devil...that's what happened

[Yuixafun]

The Good ... The Bad... And the Ugly

What a twisted pattern of events.

Two Texas boys supposedly returning home to usher in a new era for fading greats in their twilight.

The Spurs do things the right way for a reason, and money doesn't buy loyalty.

I feel the worst for Dirk, he deserves better than this fate.

[ducks]

Dan fegan was sj agent

[ducks]

Marc Stein
Marc Stein – Verified account ‏@ESPNSteinLine

Teams leaguewide that have merely been watching this drama unfold are bound to join Mavs in the protest that surely follows. Because ...

[Aztecfan03]

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It's probably slightly more after taxes in Texas though.

[Holden_Caulfield]

i guess ty lawson to mavs is happening soon

[Fireball]

29 teams committing to hack a jordan all season long ...

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Chris Paul's PR team going into reputation damage control mode. Don't want his sleazy character effecting his Geico endorsements.

[BillMc]

This thread is so long, but did DJ actually meet with the Dallas group again? Or did he blow Cuban off when he arrived in Houston?

[Aztecfan03]

This thread is so long, but did DJ actually meet with the Dallas group again? Or did he blow Cuban off when he arrived in Houston?
He wouldn't meet with Dallas. Wouldn't even take any of their calls.

[BillMc]

He wouldn't meet with Dallas. Wouldn't even take any of their calls.

Thanks for the update.

Keep it classy, DJ. Keep it classy.

[aal04]

He wouldn't meet with Dallas. Wouldn't even take any of their calls.

seriously sounded like they kidnapped him. Even had a chair barring the door.

[Mugen]

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lol #Holocaust

[RD2191]

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lol #Holocaust
:lol

[Perry Mason]

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It's probably slightly more after taxes in Texas though.

It's significantly more after taxes in Texas. There are even tricks where he may be able to avoid the non-domestic (i.e. non-Texas) source income tax from other states.

[Perry Mason]

Marc Stein
Marc Stein – Verified account ‏@ESPNSteinLine

Teams leaguewide that have merely been watching this drama unfold are bound to join Mavs in the protest that surely follows. Because ...

Exactly what I was saying last night. At a minimum league action will be taken on some level. Too much bad faith gamesmanship can result from a culture where players can easily break a verbal commitment.

I'm not sure I expect legal action in the courts or arbitration. But I do think promissory estoppel and tortious interference claims could get some legs based upon the ugly facts.

I'm sure they didn't physically restrain DeAndre, but he is a mentally immature soul and surrounding him and influencing him like they did is questionable and in poor taste. Too much money is at stake, as Clyde the Glide tweeted.

The upside to this is that league and legal action are probably not necessary. I expect the unwritten culture to largely remain, and players like DeAndre (and the GM/Owner) to suffer the consequences of their actions. Other teams will like LAC even less.

[cd021]

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It's probably slightly more after taxes in Texas though.

Cali has 11% income tax over $1 million. He'd make $78.3 million with LAC and $84 with the Mavs.

[boutons_deux]

Chris Paul's PR team going into reputation damage control mode. Don't want his sleazy character effecting his Geico endorsements.

.... Affecting his STATE FARM ads.

[ducks]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA · 9h9 hours ago
Several GM's solution to changing moratorium: Push back start of free agency until now, once the salary cap numbers are calculated.

[lmbebo]

Exactly what I was saying last night. At a minimum league action will be taken on some level. Too much bad faith gamesmanship can result from a culture where players can easily break a verbal commitment.

I'm not sure I expect legal action in the courts or arbitration. But I do think promissory estoppel and tortious interference claims could get some legs based upon the ugly facts.

I'm sure they didn't physically restrain DeAndre, but he is a mentally immature soul and surrounding him and influencing him like they did is questionable and in poor taste. Too much money is at stake, as Clyde the Glide tweeted.

The upside to this is that league and legal action are probably not necessary. I expect the unwritten culture to largely remain, and players like DeAndre (and the GM/Owner) to suffer the consequences of their actions. Other teams will like LAC even less.

its hypocritical . If Cuban had decided to not fulfill his commitment to Matthews, players Union would be up in arms over this. Yet if a player does it, its there right to have a change of heart ...

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA · 9h9 hours ago
Several GM's solution to changing moratorium: Push back start of free agency until now, once the salary cap numbers are calculated.

This is the obvious solution. The way it currently happens is a fraught process. Easy to reform for the good of all. Likely to be opposed by the NBA Journalists' Union though. :lol

[TheDoctor]

This is the obvious solution. The way it currently happens is a fraught process. Easy to reform for the good of all. Likely to be opposed by the NBA Journalists' Union though. :lol

What is the effect of pushing back the start of free agency? Shorter window for signing contracts?

[Mr. Body]

What is the effect of pushing back the start of free agency? Shorter window for signing contracts?

Let teams sign FAs right away if they want.

[TheMulletMan3000]

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lol #Holocaust


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[TheDoctor]

Let teams sign FAs right away if they want.

Got it. Thank you!

[will_spurs]

I'm really looking forward to 5y from now with all the articles stating "DAJ defecting on Dallas made all this possible", after Dallas tanks hard this season and get the #1 pick in the draft and it turns out to be one of those legendary players and it changes the NBA landscape for years (à la Tim Duncan).

[clubalien]

with cp3 pissing off jordan is there a chance they want to trade away chris paul to avoid a cancer in the locker room?

[GSH]

Cali has 11% income tax over $1 million. He'd make $78.3 million with LAC and $84 with the Mavs.


He said that he was unhappy being part of the Clippers, then he turns down more (net) money to go somewhere else? That ought to be the ultimate no-brainer.

I hate to start this, but Jordan has always been a head case. They had to bring in his old high school coach for the first season or two, to try and keep him under control. He's dumb as a bag of rocks. He's got big physical attributes, but his career has been a constant display of dumbfuckery. I think any team would have to provide just the right cradle to rock him.

I'd say the Mavs are better off without him, but after missing out on other prospects, I don't know how you recover from this.

[hater]

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[Aztecfan03]

Cali has 11% income tax over $1 million. He'd make $78.3 million with LAC and $84 with the Mavs.
No because only games played in Cali are taxed the 11%. The state taxes are based on where the game is played. So in Cali he will make mor than 78.3 and in Texas he would make less than 84 (ignoring all federal taxes.)

[cd021]

No because only games played in Cali are taxed the 11%. The state taxes are based on where the game is played. So in Cali he will make mor than 78.3 and in Texas he would make less than 84 (ignoring all federal taxes.)

Thanks for the correction.

[cd021]

He said that he was unhappy being part of the Clippers, then he turns down more (net) money to go somewhere else? That ought to be the ultimate no-brainer.

I hate to start this, but Jordan has always been a head case. They had to bring in his old high school coach for the first season or two, to try and keep him under control. He's dumb as a bag of rocks. He's got big physical attributes, but his career has been a constant display of dumbfuckery. I think any team would have to provide just the right cradle to rock him.

I'd say the Mavs are better off without him, but after missing out on other prospects, I don't know how you recover from this.

This devastates the Mavs, There's a decent chance they miss the PS now. May set there franchise back four or five years.

[RayTdropout]

Up 3 games to 2. Have a game at home to end there season.:bang smh

[ducks]

So Blake told him to call doc

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/14/report-blake-griffin-initially-told-deandre-jordan-to-honor-commitment-to-mavericks/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

[ceperez]

Well, Spurs have to contend with a better Clippers team this year. Paul Pierce and Lance Stephenson are the two notable additions. The lost Matt Barnes. Paul Pierce may be problematic for the Spurs with nobody to cover him at SF (Leonard would be covering someone else).

Maybe a slow and lengthy guy like Kyle Anderson would work.