Official Eurobasket 2015 thread

[Brazil]

:depressed

well at least France organized a great Euro, it has been an awesome competition


It is a possibility IMHO that game was last Parker game with NT

Thanks for the titles and the memories Tony...

[turkish spurs fan]

kawhi = batum

my last decision

[hater]

Putain de sa mère !
J'en ai marre de perdre contre l'Espagne...

:lmao les pommes frites :lol

[BillMc]

I'd just like to point out to any lurking Laker fans that they let Pau go for nothing.

[From Downtown]

Sorry this OT is on Porker. An attrocious TO, shot blocked and 2 straight missed FTs
If Batum doesn't miss 3 in a row they still have a chance tho

[Brazil]

:lol he's not leaving that money on the table... no way

:lol shit... that's for sure... how many years left on this contract ? 2 ? oh boy

I think Im gonna retire from ST... I will never hear the end of dat shit :lmao

[testies]

serbia will destroy spain

[turkish spurs fan]

if tony didn't spend his career under gregg pop, he would be just france league second division's man.

[TheGreatYacht]

Heading to the NBA forum to shit on Laker fans

[Brazil]

Putain de sa mère !
J'en ai marre de perdre contre l'Espagne...

On leur a fait la meme y a pas si longtemps

[Brazil]

serbia will destroy spain

I do hope !

[apalisoc_9]

if tony didn't spend his career under gregg pop, he would be just france league second division's man.

:lmao

Man..

I mean everyone has shitty games, but it's when you're ballhogging knowing that you're shitty is what makes tony parker one of the worst players in the league.

[024]

I am no Parker basher but if this is the best he can do after losing weight and getting back into shape, he will be pretty mediocre this year. It's a very good thing the Spurs nabbed Aldridge. Cannot watch more slow Parker in the clutch.

With Parker's decline looking permanent, the Spurs still have a tough road next season even with West and Aldridge.

[bobbybob0]

Parker is done but Collet is just fucking clueless, tbh

[Clipper Nation]

Sorry this OT is on Porker. An attrocious TO, shot blocked and 2 straight missed FTs

:cry But, but Porker never misses FTs in the clutch, only Manu and Kawhi do that! :cry

:cry Matt Barnes! :cry

[BillMc]

Heading to the NBA forum to shit on Laker fans

Always a noble pastime! :toast

[SpursFan86]

644619805924978689

sheesh...

[romain.star]

We missed Diot big time tonight

[MaNu4Tres]

Parker being outplayed by point guards who are no longer in the NBA in this tournament is very concerning.

Confidence is everything and Parker has none of it -- chucking shots won't change that either.

In order to regain confidence, he needs a good 4-8 weeks of strength training for his legs and core to get his legs under him ( it still seems he has no good consistent balance in his lift with his jumper & also is missing the extra step he used to have to turn corners on PnR's). He also needs to put go back to the drawing board and spend hours in the gym working on his shot and finishing in the paint. The time spent in the gym is the only way he'll have a chance to regain confidence.

[apalisoc_9]

No..

Parker just needs to adjust his game.

Enough with this vanilla confidence BS..

no amount of training will get his game back..

Go ahead try making him a focal point and see what happens.

[MaNu4Tres]

No..

Parker just needs to adjust his game.

Enough with this vanilla confidence BS..

no amount of training will get his game back..

Go ahead try making him a focal point and see what happens.

No one is saying he needs to be the focal point of the offense, but Spurs still need him to be as efficient as possible -- he needs a lot of work on his core and his game for that to happen. Even if he'll have a smaller role than the norm, I'm not content with this inefficient Parker & either should the Spurs.

[apalisoc_9]

644619805924978689

sheesh...

[TheGreatYacht]

Always a noble pastime! :toast
:toast

[Kawhitstorm]

644619805924978689

sheesh...

Even the SA media that were defending him on twitter when I was going in on Porker are turning their backs on him.....bwahhahaaahhhaaaaaa

[Arcadian]

I'd just like to point out to any lurking Laker fans that they let Pau go for nothing.

:lmao And they benched him in favor of Dwight fucking Howard... You don't bench one of the greatest players of all time who carried Kobe's ass to two titles.

[ElNono]

Some players just don't age well, tbh... it would be hypocritical to now say people didn't have doubts about Tony changing his game when his speed would inevitable go away.

He's worked hard on his jumpshot, but that's definitely not his bread and butter.

Luckily, he's heading back to San Anton, with phenomenal teammates and a HoF coach that can hopefully masquerade the decline a bit..

[Kawhitstorm]

Parker being outplayed by point guards who are no longer in the NBA in this tournament is very concerning.

Confidence is everything and Parker has none of it -- chucking shots won't change that either.

In order to regain confidence, he needs a good 4-8 weeks of strength training for his legs and core to get his legs under him ( it still seems he has no good consistent balance in his lift with his jumper & also is missing the extra step he used to have to turn corners on PnR's). He also needs to put go back to the drawing board and spend hours in the gym working on his shot and finishing in the paint. The time spent in the gym is the only way he'll have a chance to regain confidence.

He seem to be one of those guys who is in denial b/c of his enormous ego (ala Kobe). Pop has to tell him to stay home (ala Rondo) b/c benching/calling him out through the media hasn't worked.

[BillMc]

:lmao And they benched him in favor of Dwight fucking Howard... You don't bench one of the greatest players of all time who carried Kobe's ass to two titles.

Agreed. D'Antoni couldn't figure out how to use Pau for some reason. It interfered with his re-creation of the Suns from 7 to 8 years earlier.

[loveforthegame]

644619805924978689

sheesh...

:vomit:

[Kawhitstorm]

Luckily, he's heading back to San Anton, with phenomenal teammates and a HoF coach that can hopefully masquerade the decline a bit..

Did you follow him last season?...The nagging injuries aren't going anywhere & he's going to actually pick up some new injuries as he's only going to get older. If he can't play through it (ala Manu) he might as well retire instead of using it as an excuse for his terrible performances.

[beirmeistr]

Some players just don't age well, tbh... it would be hypocritical to now say people didn't have doubts about Tony changing his game when his speed would inevitable go away.

He's worked hard on his jumpshot, but that's definitely not his bread and butter.

Luckily, he's heading back to San Anton, with phenomenal teammates and a HoF coach that can hopefully masquerade the decline a bit..
well said

[ElNono]

Did you follow him last season?...The nagging injuries aren't going anywhere & he's going to actually pick up some new injuries as he's only going to get older. If he can't play through it (ala Manu) he might as well retire instead of using it as an excuse for his terrible performances.

He has a kid now, he's not leaving a 2 year max extension on the table, period. And before somebody brings it up, you can't renegotiate that contract. He's also not getting traded.

So you better damn well hope Pop taps his ass and tells him "good leadership" while sitting his ass, and hopefully the rest of the PGs have a good season.

[Kawhitstorm]

He has a kid now, he's not leaving a 2 year max extension on the table, period. And before somebody brings it up, you can't renegotiate that contract. He's also not getting traded.


My point was that he's done so folks need to stop being so profoundly optimistic & that it's best for the TEAM that he retires

[ElNono]

My point was that he's done so folks need to stop being so profoundly optimistic & that it's best for the TEAM that he retires

He's our starting PG, and it doesn't look like we have anybody else to pick up that spot right now... it's gonna be on him to make sure LMA & Kawhi shine and we win...

[RD2191]

Parker doesn't worry me, what worries me is Pop pulling a player who is playing better than Parker in clutch situations.

[hater]

Wonder if we can nab Llull or Rodriguez

[kobyz]

Another heartbreak for us Spurs fans, seeing Tony and Boris go down like this in a game france let it slipped, spurs curse alive also over the sea...

[Kawhitstorm]

He's our starting PG, and it doesn't look like we have anybody else to pick up that spot right now... it's gonna be on him to make sure LMA & Kawhi shine and we win...

Fisher was the Lakers starting point guard, Mario Chalmers was the Heat's starting point guard.....if the team is talented enough they can get by without a point guard especially someone like Tony who is a scoring guard.

When the team last won a championship Tony was MIA in Gm 6 vs. OKC, closeout game vs. Blazers & had ZERO points in the championship clincher until the Heat started waving the white flag. As long as Kawhi keeps improving & LMA doesn't have major growing pains they can make up for Parker's decline. The most anyone could ask from him is to be an average starting point guard at this point of his career. 12pts/5ast plus a low turnover rate & passable defense would be acceptable.

[ElNono]

Fisher was the Lakers starting point guard, Mario Chalmers was the Heat's starting point guard.....if the team is talented enough they can get by without a point guard especially someone like Tony who is a scoring guard.

When the team last won a championship Tony was MIA in Gm 6 vs. OKC, closeout game vs. Blazers & had ZERO points in the championship clincher until the Heat started waving the white flag. As long as Kawhi keeps improving & LMA doesn't have major growing pains they can make up for Parker's decline. The most anyone could ask from him is to be an average starting point guard at this point of his career. 12pts/5ast plus a low turnover rate & passable defense would be acceptable.

yeah, I would agree a key part is that he understands his limitations and gets out of the way when needed, tbh...

[TD 21]

Fisher was the Lakers starting point guard, Mario Chalmers was the Heat's starting point guard.....if the team is talented enough they can get by without a point guard especially someone like Tony who is a scoring guard.

When the team last won a championship Tony was MIA in Gm 6 vs. OKC, closeout game vs. Blazers & had ZERO points in the championship clincher until the Heat started waving the white flag. As long as Kawhi keeps improving & LMA doesn't have major growing pains they can make up for Parker's decline. The most anyone could ask from him is to be an average starting point guard at this point of his career. 12pts/5ast plus a low turnover rate & passable defense would be acceptable.

Fisher and Chalmers were always suited to primarily playing off the ball and the former played with a top 3-5 player and the latter played with the best player in the game.

Whoever you think this team's best player is, they're borderline top 10 and none of the options are go-to perimeter creators, something that's been a requirement for every champion in recent history outside of the '94 Rockets, '03 Spurs and '11 Mavericks.

This team will also be a more conventional NBA team than the '14 Spurs were. It was all the factors that have been talked about ad nauseam with them that won that title; not their star power. This team is going to have to be a hybrid. Parker, more than anyone, has to walk that fine line.

[objective]

He has a kid now, he's not leaving a 2 year max extension on the table, period. And before somebody brings it up, you can't renegotiate that contract. He's also not getting traded.

So you better damn well hope Pop taps his ass and tells him "good leadership" while sitting his ass, and hopefully the rest of the PGs have a good season.

2 years? I thought it was three.

Three long years.

[ElNono]

2 years? I thought it was three.

Three long years.

I thought he already played his 1st year of the new deal, but you might be right...

[Kawhitstorm]

Fisher and Chalmers were always suited to primarily playing off the ball and the former played with a top 3-5 player and the latter played with the best player in the game.

Whoever you think this team's best player is, they're borderline top 10 and none of the options are go-to perimeter creators, something that's been a requirement for every champion in recent history outside of the '94 Rockets, '03 Spurs and '11 Mavericks.

This team will also be a more conventional NBA team than the '14 Spurs were. It was all the factors that have been talked about ad nauseam with them that won that title; not their star power. This team is going to have to be a hybrid. Parker, more than anyone, has to walk that fine line.

We already saw the evolution of the offense in 2015 as one that will be centered around Kawhi. With Tony/Diaw regressing, Manu/Tim aging & Tiago being traded you can forget about the 2014 Championship team. The new offense is going to be centered around Kawhi/LMA (PnR/postups/ISOs) & the ball won't be in Tony's hands as much although he will still be calling the sets. Tony is going to be playing off Kawhi/LMA thus he won't be asked to be a shot creator so he can pick his spots rather than forcing shots or pounding the air out of the ball to trying to get into the paint.

Kawhi is going to be the key since he will be handling the ball a lot on the PnRs but I've the utmost confidence in Kawhi considering how he has improved every season. If Kawhi can run the offense similar to how Paul George/Blake (two players who came into the league w/ similar playmaking skills as Kawhi) are able to from the forward position then it should be all gravy, nobody is asking Kawhi to be a point-forward ala LeBron/Pippen/Bird. The motion offense should take care of the rest as long as Kawhi/LMA can excel as a PnR duo.

[objective]

I thought he already played his 1st year of the new deal, but you might be right...

I just double checked and it's three.

His three year extension starts with 15-16.

[apalisoc_9]

I just double checked and it's three.

His three year extension starts with 15-16.

:cry

[ElNono]

I just double checked and it's three.

His three year extension starts with 15-16.

:tu

[Ice009]

I thought he already played his 1st year of the new deal, but you might be right...

Nope. Pretty sure it starts this year, so I think he has 3 years. That contract is irresponsible. I have no idea what the Spurs were thinking giving it to him without seeing how he played last season. I wasn't happy when I first saw/read about it.

Fuck. Reading through this mini game blog from the France Vs Spain game has put a real damper on this upcoming season for me now. It sounds like he's a lot worse than a still trying to regain his game Derrick Rose. We really need Parker to be better than an average player. Not sure if it was the heat of the moment of it being a game thread, but when posters like Brazil say that he looks done, I'm not too optimistic about him getting back to being a top tier player.

[ElNono]

Nope. Pretty sure it starts this year, so I think he has 3 years. That contract is irresponsible. I have no idea what the Spurs were thinking giving it to him without seeing how he played last season. I wasn't happy when I first saw/read about it.

Fuck. Reading through this mini game blog from the France Vs Spain game has put a real damper on this upcoming season for me now. It sounds like he's a lot worse than a still trying to regain his game Derrick Rose. We really need Parker to be better than an average player. Not sure if it was the heat of the moment of it being a game thread, but when posters like Brazil say that he looks done, I'm not too optimistic about him getting back to being a top tier player.

Meh, too early. Plus the Spurs have options, and at least now LMA is the new head of the snake on the offensive end. Defensively, he hasn't been really guarding other top PGs for a while now.

Not gonna worry about it. If he becomes detrimental, then sure... but we're not there yet with this new team...

[PingPong]

Gasoft > LMA.

:D

[024]

Will there be a third place match? Maybe Parker can give Spurs fans some hope that he's not completely done.

BTW, Parker should just focus solely on shooting 3's now ala Jason Kidd. That's probably the only way he can reinvent himself after losing his speed.

[benefactor]

So you are telling me none of my teams have a QB?

fml

[SAGirl]

I just double checked and it's three.

His three year extension starts with 15-16.
Wow... three years.... That seems like a long time right now. If ever there was a moment Kawhi would turn a corner into an MVP caliber season I think this is it, or he really might not have it. He either raises the bar for himself and carries this team perimeter play or the Spurs will really, really look done this year and after that, its retool mode again. TBH, no one brings up Manu right now, except to say how he was able to outlast Tony in productivity per his age, but he really, really had moments last season when he looked done as well. He took a whole long time to say he was returning for another season and that was far from a sure thing. With badTony and an even older Manu than last year, this is Kawhi's opportunity to seize the spotlight.

TBH whoever was saying the bunch of young roleplayers we have in the bench were not going to play is wrong. We will also need some of those guys to give us some good games as well, but I have said that all along.

3 years... wow. Spurs saving grace was that rise in capspace. Team will be ok after all if Kawhi raises his bar and maybe some of the roleplayers have a good season.

[Kawhitstorm]

BTW, Parker should just focus solely on shooting 3's now ala Jason Kidd. That's probably the only way he can reinvent himself after losing his speed.

Please don't even compare Tony to Kidd. Kidd could have averaged 5 point a game & would have still be a starting point guard for the Mavs. Sure he lost his turbo speed but Kidd was still an excellent defender/rebounder & still had an elite floor vision along w/ being a good post-up player. He ADDED spot-up shooting to his repertoire game b/c the Mavs ran a half-court offense centered around Dirk thus he had to find a way to play off Dirk which was by being a spot-up shooter. Tony on the other hand is needing to be a spotup shooter just to stay on the floor b/c he doesn't give the team much of anything.

A better comparison is Iverson at the same age as Tony....meaning he isn't going to reinvent himself but play himself out of the league (at least he could play in France rather than Turkey). Kidd at 40 led the Knicks to 55 wins then they became a lottery team when he retired.

[Kawhitstorm]

3 years... wow. Spurs saving grace was that rise in capspace. Team will be ok after all if Kawhi raises his bar and maybe some of the roleplayers have a good season.

Kawhi/LMA have the keys to the offense & just need to carry the team to an 8th seed. Tim/Kawhi/LMA/DWest/Diaw frontline will own any frontline in a postseason series & you have the ultimate wildcard in Danny. Patty is going to consistently produce, Manu might win/lose you a couple of games & whatever Tony gives you is a bonus. Pop has realized a backcourt that relies on Manu/Tony isn't going to win any backcourt battle in the western conference & has put all his chip on building a frontline that will maul every front-line in a postseason series while the rest of the league is currently infatuated w/ the "small ball" lineup. Pop is always one step ahead of the rest of the league.

[SuperCam]

Kawhi/LMA have the keys to the offense & just need to carry the team to an 8th seed. Tim/Kawhi/LMA/DWest/Diaw frontline will own any frontline in a postseason series & you have the ultimate wildcard in Danny. Patty is going to consistently produce, Manu might win/lose you a couple of games & whatever Tony gives you is a bonus. Pop has realized a backcourt that relies on Manu/Tony isn't going to win any backcourt battle in the western conference & has put all his chip on building a frontline that will maul every front-line in a postseason series while the rest of the league is currently infatuated w/ the "small ball" lineup. Pop is always one step ahead of the rest of the league.

That frontline is only inferior to Cleveland, tbh, but shitting on smallball is just typical spursfan :downspin:

[Kawhitstorm]

That frontline is only inferior to Cleveland, tbh, but shitting on smallball is just typical spursfan :downspin:

I said ANY frontline. They can matchup w/ any type of frontline whether it be Draymond/Iggy or Mozgov/Tristan. Besides, the Cavs frontline isn't as versatile since K-Love is a terrible defender & Tristan can't postup.

[SuperCam]

I said ANY frontline. They can matchup w/ any type of frontline whether it be Draymond/Iggy or Mozgov/Tristan. Besides, the Cavs frontline isn't as versatile since K-Love is a terrible defender & Tristan can't postup.


K-love's defense grades out similar to LMA's... he just gets more shit because he's white. Almost identical DBPM, better Drb%, on/off team DRTG of -3.0. Meanwhile LMA's blazers were better defensively with him off the floor.

You can't talk about Kawhi in spurs frontline without bringing in King James... checkmate.

[Kawhitstorm]

K-love's defense grades out similar to LMA's... he just gets more shit because he's white. Almost identical DBPM, better Drb%, on/off team DRTG of -3.0. Meanwhile LMA's blazers were better defensively with him off the floor.

You can't talk about Kawhi in spurs frontline without bringing in King James... checkmate.

LoL @ bringing up a single entity such as DBPM without bring up the fact that he plays in an inferior conference & he is a terrible rim protector (which is VERY important).

Tim/Diaw took turns busting his ass last season _32eaQStww4

Oh, LMA nutted all over his face last season too: ejkmWzo-DLc

As far as LeBron, everyone knows he doesn't want any part of Kawhi & D-West used to abuse LeBron on the block in those ECF series.

Checkmate:http://i.imgur.com/CPYEit4.jpg

[SuperCam]

Damn I thought we could have a reasonable discussion but you're just another kiwitard nuthugger.


any faggot who puts kawhi in the same universe as lebron should choke on dick

[Kawhitstorm]

Damn I thought we could have a reasonable discussion but you're just another kiwitard nuthugger.


any faggot who puts kawhi in the same universe as lebron should choke on dick

Basically, you couldn't handle the FACTS!?!! It must burn you every time you see the LeBron/Kawhi screenshot which is why you keep throwing fits like a little bitch. Kawhi is a TWO way player which is something LeBron can't claim for the past 2 seasons & Kawhi is only getting better while LeBron is on a decline. Kawhi already has a better post-up game/jumpshot & also happens to be a better defender.

Although LeBron is one of the best point-forwards to ever play the game, Kawhi doesn't need to be a point-forward. Kawhi has already proven he can match LeBron while playing within the flow of an offense (totally different than being dared to shoot like Iggy) thus it doesn't matter if LeBron is a better isolation player/point-forward. John Stockton wasn't the greatest 1-on-1 player but he sure damn was one of the best system players to ever play the game.

[Fireball]

Parker really was horrible in that game. No way to sugarcoat that with any "det leadership" nonsense. At least he looked fit and healthy, so continuity and less injuries should be a positive in the upcoming season. And he should be fired up after that chokejob in front of his home crowd.

Regarding Gasol, it sad to realize that 3-4 years of his career were wasted by Kobe and the fucking Lakers. Just thinking about the Spurs were in the race to sign him last year ... wow.

Overall it was the great semi-final I expected ... although with a surprising ending.

[Kawhitstorm]

Parker really was horrible in that game. No way to sugarcoat that with any "det leadership" nonsense. At least he looked fit and healthy, so continuity and less injuries should be a positive in the upcoming season. And he should be fired up after that chokejob in front of his home crowd.

Regarding Gasol, it sad to realize that 3-4 years of his career were wasted by Kobe and the fucking Lakers. Just thinking about the Spurs were in the race to sign him last year ... wow.

Overall it was the great semi-final I expected ... although with a surprising ending.

I'm glad that Tony looked miserable in front of his home crowd just for the sake it deflating his ego. There was no surprise about a team led by Tony pulling a chokejob.

As far as Pau, the Lakers decline coincidences w/ Gasol's decline but yet Kobestans want to claim Pau was a 2nd tier star. It funny how Pau is having renaissance while Kobe is tarnishing his legacy while toiling in mediocrity. In any case, LMA is better than Pau: _weENJtfZBw

[Fireball]

of course I prefer LMA over Gasol because of age .... but I think there was no drastic decline with Gasol, but he just did not give a shit whatsoever playing for the Lakers and who can blame him.

[Ice009]

of course I prefer LMA over Gasol because of age .... but I think there was no drastic decline with Gasol, but he just did not give a shit whatsoever playing for the Lakers and who can blame him.

I thought he was also carrying injuries and having some knee problems towards the end of his tenure there with the Lakers?

[Fireball]

I thought he was also carrying injuries and having some knee problems towards the end of his tenure there with the Lakers?

Might be ... but smaller injuries also come when you play without great motivation and less intensity. So this could be related as well. I think he sat out many games he normally would have played ... but there was just no significance to it.

[Ice009]

Might be ... but smaller injuries also come when you play without great motivation and less intensity. So this could be related as well. I think he sat out many games he normally would have played ... but there was just no significance to it.

Yeah, I guess he could have played through some of those minor injuries if he gave a crap. I also do think that he just didn't care much after they started blaming him for D'antoni's system not working with him in it. I guess I am still upset with him for choosing the Bulls over the Spurs last off-season too. I still think it was the wrong decision to pick the Bulls over the Spurs, but that's on him now. He could have come here and I also think if he did the Spurs would have went after Marc Gasol during the off-season and tried to pair the two together. Either way, I think it still worked out OK for the Spurs as I'm happy to have gotten LMA.

[Kawhitstorm]

Yeah, I guess he could have played through some of those minor injuries if he gave a crap. I also do think that he just didn't care much after they started blaming him for D'antoni's system not working with him in it. I guess I am still upset with him for choosing the Bulls over the Spurs last off-season too. I still think it was the wrong decision to pick the Bulls over the Spurs, but that's on him now. He could have come here and I also think if he did the Spurs would have went after Marc Gasol during the off-season and tried to pair the two together. Either way, I think it still worked out OK for the Spurs as I'm happy to have gotten LMA.

2010-11: He was running on fumes from playing heavy minutes for 3 straight seasons including internationally & got destroyed by Dirk
2011-12: Still was running on fumes & struggled against Ibaka/Perkins
2012-13: Was injured (knee) & also couldn't figure out how to play alongside Dwight
2013-14: Was beefing w/ D'Antoni & had a vertigo issue

2014-15: Had a renaissance season offensive but was K-Love status defending PnRs. Eventually got injured in the postseason & that was all she wrote.

Basically, he isn't durable enough to survive a championship run if he has to play heavy minutes & has become a liability on defense otherwise he is an All-NBA forward. A Pau/Tim frontline would have been a disaster defending PnRs/stretch 4s (would have gotten shredded by CP3) & Pau wouldn't have been able to do much w/ Blake other than post him up on the other end. He would have been a better option than Baynes/injured Tiago but Diaw played well enough on offense that I'm not sure how much of a difference it would have made against he Clips when Tony was shooting the team out of the game.

[jyra]

Will there be a third place match?

Yes, it will be played on the same day as the finals. Even the losing teams of the quarter finals played another game afterwards even though nobody cares about that at all.

[MaNu4Tres]

Parker really was horrible in that game. No way to sugarcoat that with any "det leadership" nonsense. At least he looked fit and healthy, so continuity and less injuries should be a positive in the upcoming season. And he should be fired up after that chokejob in front of his home crowd.

Regarding Gasol, it sad to realize that 3-4 years of his career were wasted by Kobe and the fucking Lakers. Just thinking about the Spurs were in the race to sign him last year ... wow.

Overall it was the great semi-final I expected ... although with a surprising ending.

He may look slightly more lean, but the guy was grabbing his knees on the court whenever he could. His legs/core and conditioning is still no where near it should be.

[kobyz]

I knew not having Heurtel will cost france this tournament, stupid full of himself coach not knowing how to bring together personals for the good of the team and instead choosing to take the easy way out and waive great talent, what, he didn't knew that Parker not the same and need someone to give another option to fill that role???

[kobyz]

The way france lose that game was very spursish, being weak mentality, too nonchalant, missing free throws, losing 11 points lead with like 4 minutes to go, if you didn't knew you would have thought Pop was coaching them... I can't stand this dynamic of losing that happened over and over again, it's have to be a curse...

[NikosChelsea7]

Bleus- Parker: "I put too much pressure"
Tony Parker made his mea culpa after the defeat of the Blues in the semifinal against Spain (75-80, ap). The leader of the team of France does not flee his responsibilities. http://www.sport365.fr/basketball/bleus-parker-je-me-suis-mis-trop-de-pression-1268478.shtml (The video is in French).

[NASpurs]

Wow Srbija, wtf happened. Lithuania played like five gears above Srbija today. They wanted it more.

[jyra]

Serbia really missed Boban out there, none of their center's played well today.

[turkish spurs fan]

teodosic loses again :lmao

[TD 21]

We already saw the evolution of the offense in 2015 as one that will be centered around Kawhi. With Tony/Diaw regressing, Manu/Tim aging & Tiago being traded you can forget about the 2014 Championship team. The new offense is going to be centered around Kawhi/LMA (PnR/postups/ISOs) & the ball won't be in Tony's hands as much although he will still be calling the sets. Tony is going to be playing off Kawhi/LMA thus he won't be asked to be a shot creator so he can pick his spots rather than forcing shots or pounding the air out of the ball to trying to get into the paint.

Kawhi is going to be the key since he will be handling the ball a lot on the PnRs but I've the utmost confidence in Kawhi considering how he has improved every season. If Kawhi can run the offense similar to how Paul George/Blake (two players who came into the league w/ similar playmaking skills as Kawhi) are able to from the forward position then it should be all gravy, nobody is asking Kawhi to be a point-forward ala LeBron/Pippen/Bird. The motion offense should take care of the rest as long as Kawhi/LMA can excel as a PnR duo.

I know. What I'm saying is, this team can't win a championship the way they did in '14 or by out starring the top teams; they have to be a combination of the two.

No one symbolizes that more than Parker. Out of necessity more than anything, he won't be the focal point of the offense, but he also can't be Fisher/Chalmers. He has to be somewhere in between.

[Kawhitstorm]

I know. What I'm saying is, this team can't win a championship the way they did in '14 or by out starring the top teams; they have to be a combination of the two.

No one symbolizes that more than Parker. Out of necessity more than anything, he won't be the focal point of the offense, but he also can't be Fisher/Chalmers. He has to be somewhere in between.

Porker can play like Jordan Farmer & he still won't be missed as long as his usage rate is kept at a minimum.

[apalisoc_9]

Porker can play like Jordan Farmer & he still won't be missed as long as his usage rate is kept at a minimum.

did you watch him play for France?

what makes you think he's willing to play a role that's suited to his game?

He probably still thinks he needs to be the third option or some shti.

[TD 21]

Porker can play like Jordan Farmer & he still won't be missed as long as his usage rate is kept at a minimum.

They're not beating the elite teams in a series with Leonard/Aldridge playing hero ball and Parker relegated solely to spot up duty. I'm not saying he can necessarily successfully play the role they need him to to win the championship; just that they can't if he's impersonating Fisher/Chalmers.

It still has to be done as a collective to overcome greater star power, just not to the extent that it has been in recent years.

[apalisoc_9]

In all seriousness, relegating Parker to a mere shooter will stagnate the offense. The perimeter needs players that are willing drivers with Kawhi and LMA handling most of the offensive responsibilities.

Parker needs to play at a level where he would efficient average around 11-13 PPG...Take the open shot, generate attention if he finds the ball on his hands after going through Kawhi. I said a month ago that Tony Making his shots is probably one of biggest factors in the spurs winning it or not this year.. if he can't do any of those for whatever reason, the spurs are going to struggle.

But seriously using him any where close to Kawhi and LMA is asking for trouble and dribble dribble dribble.

[Kawhitstorm]

In all seriousness, relegating Parker to a mere shooter will stagnate the offense. The perimeter needs players that are willing drivers with Kawhi and LMA handling most of the offensive responsibilities.

Parker needs to play at a level where he would efficient average around 11-13 PPG...Take the open shot, generate attention if he finds the ball on his hands after going through Kawhi. I said a month ago that Tony Making his shots is probably one of biggest factors in the spurs winning it or not this year.. if he can't do any of those for whatever reason, the spurs are going to struggle.

But seriously using him any where close to Kawhi and LMA is asking for trouble and dribble dribble dribble.

If only he could just swallow his ego & remodel his game after the GOAT Spurs pure PG w/ a chip (Avery).

[TD 21]

In all seriousness, relegating Parker to a mere shooter will stagnate the offense. The perimeter needs players that are willing drivers with Kawhi and LMA handling most of the offensive responsibilities.

Parker needs to play at a level where he would efficient average around 11-13 PPG...Take the open shot, generate attention if he finds the ball on his hands after going through Kawhi. I said a month ago that Tony Making his shots is probably one of biggest factors in the spurs winning it or not this year.. if he can't do any of those for whatever reason, the spurs are going to struggle.

But seriously using him any where close to Kawhi and LMA is asking for trouble and dribble dribble dribble.

Exactly. The notion that they can win a championship with him impersonating Fisher/Chalmers, is ridiculous. As good as Leonard and Aldridge are, they're not prime James and Duncan and this team isn't beating superior players like Curry, Durant, Westbrook, Paul, Griffin, Harden or James, in a series, on the strength of their individual brilliance.

Whether Parker can successfully play the in between role we agree he needs to, is another question.

[apalisoc_9]

If only he could just swallow his ego & remodel his game after the GOAT Spurs pure PG w/ a chip (Avery).

I think we're asking for trouble by making Parker an Avery PG..srs

Paker is one of the most detrimental players in the league, but he's going to play..

What he needs to do is drive to the basket and Shoot well..The ball won't go to Kawhi and LMA all the time, and in times it doesn't, the spurs need someone that xan generate attention and drive to the middle. Parker is the guy in the starting lineup because green won't be able to dribble his way to the middle.

I'm all for benching him though, but that won't happen....so let's hope he knows his limitations.

[Kawhitstorm]

I think we're asking for trouble by making Parker an Avery PG..srs


Avery played alongside PRIME Sean/D-Rob & he let them do their thing by simply running sets based on what the defense gave him then handing the ball to D-Rob/****** in their sweet spots. He was a good enough finisher to be an offensive threat & would take the occasional mid-range shot if D-Rob was doubled.

Manu transformed his game from being a slasher to being a perimeter type player ala Brent Barry.

[apalisoc_9]

Avery played alongside PRIME Sean/D-Rob & he let them do their thing by simply running sets based on what the defense gave him then handing the ball to D-Rob/****** in their sweet spots. He was a good enough finisher to be an offensive threat & would take the occasional mid-range shot if D-Rob was doubled.

The problem I have with that Avery johnsons was that his game was completely reliant on feeding the stars. While it's important for Parker to understand that he is nowhere near the player Kawhi and LMA is, reducing him to play like Avery Johnson is asking him to be a player that he's terrible at...He is going to be a terrible player if he tries to play like Avery..srs. He's not that kind of a player. He is very limited and doesn't have the tools to adapt the same way as Ginoboili.

Parker is still an average driver and he can take care of the ball, he can stillo use some of his skillsets like quick drives and teardrops..He can do all of those with Kawhi and LMA getting most of the touches. They Key for Parker is knowing when to do a it and knowing when not to do it..He should also understand that the he shouldn't have the luxury of "Heat check", that's reserved for Kawhi and LMA..

The problem again lies with willingness to play that role. If the FNT and game 7 clippers is any indication, he's not going to play the way the spurs need him to play..He still believes he's a legitimate option. That's the main problem.

It's his ego that needs to be checked..He's not Manu or Timmy who easily adaopt to new roles.

[Kawhitstorm]

Parker is still an average driver and he can take care of the ball, he can stillo use some of his skillsets like quick drives and teardrops..He can do all of those with Kawhi and LMA getting most of the touches. They Key for Parker is knowing when to do a it and knowing when not to do it..He should also understand that the he shouldn't have the luxury of "Heat check", that's reserved for Kawhi and LMA..

But.....but.....but he did state in 2014 that he's letting his teammates shine. Tony is a quasi alpha that will bow down to a true alpha such as LMA/Kawhi, the key is the true alpha's have to demand the ball & deliver otherwise Porker is going to heroball. Tony fears Tim b/c he put him in check as a rookie & made him kiss the ring before he accepted him as his point guard. LMA has showed he doesn't back down from fake thugs & Tony knows better than messing w/ the quiet dude in the locker room.

[Ice009]

The problem I have with that Avery johnsons was that his game was completely reliant on feeding the stars. While it's important for Parker to understand that he is nowhere near the player Kawhi and LMA is, reducing him to play like Avery Johnson is asking him to be a player that he's terrible at...He is going to be a terrible player if he tries to play like Avery..srs. He's not that kind of a player. He is very limited and doesn't have the tools to adapt the same way as Ginoboili.

Parker is still an average driver and he can take care of the ball, he can stillo use some of his skillsets like quick drives and teardrops..He can do all of those with Kawhi and LMA getting most of the touches. They Key for Parker is knowing when to do a it and knowing when not to do it..He should also understand that the he shouldn't have the luxury of "Heat check", that's reserved for Kawhi and LMA..

The problem again lies with willingness to play that role. If the FNT and game 7 clippers is any indication, he's not going to play the way the spurs need him to play..He still believes he's a legitimate option. That's the main problem.

It's his ego that needs to be checked..He's not Manu or Timmy who easily adaopt to new roles.

One other thing Parker needs to seriously, seriously concentrate on is playing average/above average defense. It wasn't his offense that drove me nuts last season, it was his horrific defense. He has to at least be average on that end of the court. He got his ass lit up by almost everyone he defended last season. I also agree that he can't play an Avery type game. He needs to still get to the rack and be a driver while mixing in some jumpshots. This team doesn't have enough penetrators, so he still needs to be able to do it some to keep the defense off-balance.

[spurs10]

What is the status for the FNT getting in the 2016 Rio Olympics? Do they have to win the bronze or do they simply have to win the next FIBA tournament?

[apalisoc_9]

What is the status for the FNT getting in the 2016 Rio Olympics? Do they have to win the bronze or do they simply have to win the next FIBA tournament?

FIBA tournament will have multiple teams qualifying...Europe has two straight tickets to RIO and it's both finalist Spain and lituva...

France might not even make it to the tournament depending on how the these teams are grouped.

They're going to compete against Canada, Serbia, Italy, Greece, Mexico and some other teams for three spots...It will be three groups, if lady luck isn't on their side and they get grouped with two really good teams..could be disastrous.

[spurs10]

FIBA tournament will have multiple teams qualifying...Europe has two straight tickets to RIO and it's both finalist Spain and lituva...

France might not even make it to the tournament depending on how the these teams are grouped.

They're going to compete against Canada, Serbia, Italy, Greece, Mexico and some other teams for three spots...It will be three groups, if lady luck isn't on their side and they get grouped with two really good teams..could be disastrous. So they must win their group and the winner of those three groups makes it to Rio. Thanks...so whether they win or lose the bronze is insignificant....apart from the medal.

[Kawhitstorm]

I also agree that he can't play an Avery type game. He needs to still get to the rack and be a driver while mixing in some jumpshots. This team doesn't have enough penetrators, so he still needs to be able to do it some to keep the defense off-balance.

Avery used to get to the rack at a decent rate, he just sucked at making outside shots. Tony nowadays struggles to beat his defender & is taking mid-range shots rather than attacking or setting up his teammates. Tony should just cut back on those mid-range shots is all I'm saying.

[dabom]

Xan anyone make GIFs of the parker misses in the fourth and the block?
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:lmao

Hero ball

Worse than Kirby

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Reactions are classic. :lmao




Thanks apo. :tu

[BillMc]

France vs Serbia Game stream (low quality though):

http://firstrowusa.eu/basketball/first-france-vs-serbia-usaed24h

[turkish spurs fan]

a great generation of serbia had been ruined by milos teodosic in last years. he is the cancer of serbia.

[BillMc]

Cheers to Boris and Tony (and ex-Spur Nando) for the victory today. :bobo

[Braff]

Again a great game for Nando, 20 points 4 assists 3 rebounds 1 steal. Lock for the team of the tournament.

[Kawhitstorm]

MVPau, MVPau, MVPau! *Meanwhile Kobe is plotting a way on how to ruin a franchise*

[Kawhitstorm]

Again a great game for Nando, 20 points 4 assists 3 rebounds 1 steal. Lock for the team of the tournament.

What does it say for Porker when he's looking like a bum in comparison to none other than Nando "Couldn't Make it in the NBA" De Colo? *SIGH*

[Kawhitstorm]

a great generation of serbia had been ruined by milos teodosic in last years. he is the cancer of serbia.

He's the Brandon Jennings of Europe.

[kobyz]

Gasol should ask Kobe if he want to come to the Bulls to be his Pau...