Why trump has already won the republican nomination

[m>s]

The question thrown at Trump today about "leading an independent campaign" was Fox's final attempt to sabotage the man.

They are attempting to see if that question is going to lose Trumps fanbase.

The thing that is absolutely clear is that this exposed the media for what it is and the internet is exploding with "Death to foxnews"

People are not understanding that the question he was posed is the biggest question in the entirety of the nomination.

If trumps fan base falls and his independent campaign even claims a few % the dems win.

The GOP will have no choice but to nominate Trump because if they don't they will lose the election.

Trump knows this and put his dick on the table and called their bluff.

Remember this

[Splits]

I will bet you $5000, ELE, whatever the fuck you want, etc, that Trump is not the Republican nominee.

If you seriously think he has a chance in hell, you're a naive dumb cunt

[Infinite_limit]

Trump or Bust

[Infinite_limit]

Meanwhile

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/55c42bd62acae74c2f8bb986/kanye-west-photobombed-a-selfie-kim-kardashian-took-with-hillary-clinton-at-a-campaign-fundraiser-in-hollywood.jpg

[DarrinS]

You two white supremacists are dipshits

[DarrinS]

Donald Trumps is an asshole

[DarrinS]

So is Ted Cruz

[Koolaid_Man]

Im rooting for Trump....he's the best thing to happen to Dems in a long time....the Republicans brought this on themselves with all of their hate speech, race baiting, demagoguery, anti-muslim birther bullshit....when you're inherently wicked and evil you reap what you sow and like the good Rev Wright said..... the cows are now coming home to roost....

[JoeChalupa]

Trump never had a chance at the nomination and he knew that well before he threw his hair into to ring.
But he also knew he'd get plenty of media attention and also win the hearts of those like m>s.

[pgardn]

This is where Repubicans get is so frkn wrong:

Run government like a business...
Does any Republican realize how incredibly stupid this is? Any Republican on this board get the utter nonsense of this, dare I call it, a thought? Implying Republicans are actually thinking... dangerous.

[boutons_deux]

This is where Repubicans get is so frkn wrong:

Run government like a business...
Does any Republican realize how incredibly stupid this is? Any Republican on this board get the utter nonsense of this, dare I call it, a thought? Implying Republicans are actually thinking... dangerous.

VRWC/BigCorp decades long propaganda has led many people to believe corporate life, business is the highest form of human activity, achievement, and that all organizations, institutions should be run as businesses, with the top people being (over)paid. So taxpayers' schools, universities, hospitals, etc get screwed up and run for-profit, with maximized revenue, minimized costs, products, margins, but the main objective is that the top people get really well paid and everybody below is enslaved, screwed towards that objective.

[pgardn]

VRWC/BigCorp decades long propaganda has led many people to believe corporate life, business is the highest form of human activity, achievement, and that all organizations, institutions should be run as businesses, with the top people being (over)paid. So taxpayers' schools, universities, hospitals, etc get screwed up and run for-profit, with maximized revenue, minimized costs, products, margins, but the main objective is that the top people get really well paid and everybody below is enslaved, screwed towards that objective.

It would be quite humorous if a Democrat stepped off the panhandling street and ran garnering a large % of the early vote forcing Hillary to respond. " I'm running on the free cell phone platform".

[DMX7]

The question thrown at Trump today about "leading an independent campaign" was Fox's final attempt to sabotage the man.

They are attempting to see if that question is going to lose Trumps fanbase.

The thing that is absolutely clear is that this exposed the media for what it is and the internet is exploding with "Death to foxnews"

People are not understanding that the question he was posed is the biggest question in the entirety of the nomination.

If trumps fan base falls and his independent campaign even claims a few % the dems win.

The GOP will have no choice but to nominate Trump because if they don't they will lose the election.

Trump knows this and put his dick on the table and called their bluff.

Remember this

He said it clearly -- it's all about leverage

[hater]

Trump would probably get assassinated before the dinosaur GOP bosses allow him to win.

Too bad. He'd make a better president that Bish, Rubio or any of the other turds.

[mrsmaalox]

This is where Repubicans get is so frkn wrong:

Run government like a business...
Does any Republican realize how incredibly stupid this is? Any Republican on this board get the utter nonsense of this, dare I call it, a thought? Implying Republicans are actually thinking... dangerous.

Running it "like a business" is what made health care the screwed up mess that needs to be fixed now.

[boutons_deux]

It would be quite humorous if a Democrat stepped off the panhandling street and ran garnering a large % of the early vote forcing Hillary to respond. " I'm running on the free cell phone platform".

St Ronnie started the "Obamaphone" program. GFY

[pgardn]

St Ronnie started the "Obamaphone" program. GFY

You can handle the Republican appeal to the simpletons but not the Democrats doing the same thing.
You have lo live with your giant contradictory self.

[pgardn]

Trump would probably get assassinated before the dinosaur GOP bosses allow him to win.

Too bad. He'd make a better president that Bish, Rubio or any of the other turds.

B Fkn S

He has no fkn clue what he would do. Boots would make a better president.

[m>s]

Running it "like a business" is what made health care the screwed up mess that needs to be fixed now.
Back in the kitchen with you Maria lopez

[DMX7]

Trump would probably get assassinated before the dinosaur GOP bosses allow him to win.

Too bad. He'd make a better president that Bish, Rubio or any of the other turds.

I think John Kasich is the GOPs best and most electable candidate, but I think Donald Trump is their second best candidate (not electable though).

[JoeChalupa]

I think John Kasich is the GOPs best and most electable candidate, but I think Donald Trump is their second best candidate (not electable though).

Their second best is unelectable? Kasich and Fiorina are the strongest IMHO.

[DMX7]

Their second best is unelectable? Kasich and Fiorina are the strongest IMHO.

In this case, yes.

Fiorina hasn't had to face any scrutiny yet, but she is a bad candidate. She talks a great game right now because no one is aiming for her. But basically, her only selling point is her business acumen, and that is terrible given that she was a complete flop in her most important business role (as HP's CEO).

[m>s]

Daily reminder that when trump wins the election and America is restored, voting records WILL be used to sniff out traitors. And you'd better hope you made the right choice.

[Quetzal-X]

:lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkMWsO_-X7Y


:lmao






:sombrero:

[Nbadan]

This is exactly why, although the two party system has serious flaws....we need to work within the two party system to keep fringe candidates like Cruz, Trump, Huckster, who could very well win the GOP Primary with way less than a majority vote, or at least with way less than majority support...out of the white house....

[hater]

B Fkn S

He has no fkn clue what he would do. Boots would make a better president.

Another bush? I rather become iranan citizen. Rubio? I rather become Cuban citizen

Neither of those have a clue how to run a country. At least trump can run a business empire. Trump trumps

[boutons_deux]

"two party system has serious flaws"

no, the REPUG party is seriously flawed, overtaken, controlled by VRWC-financed extremists who are intent on blocking all govt progress, while screwing the 99% and enabling/protecting/enriching the 1%.


VRWC/BigCorp/FIRE is paying Repug politicians to maintain the status quo which rigged in their favor.

[pgardn]

Another bush? I rather become iranan citizen. Rubio? I rather become Cuban citizen

Neither of those have a clue how to run a country. At least trump can run a business empire. Trump trumps

I will take ANY Republican over Trump.

This asinine idea that he speaks the truth, he speaks his mind somehow qualifies him to run a country is pure BS. I will take a person who understands history and positions, understands and can read people, understands when to push and when to STFU, understands the whole of this country. People make a completely invalid jump that becoming a successful businessman is a qualification for running a country. Running a country is the most difficult job to do well I can think of. Running a business requires the ability to make a profit, that ain't hard except for some on this board who sit behind a keyboard all day and are perplexed by this ability.

And the idea that this guy is somehow immune to graft or personal profit UNLIKE career politicians is perfectly laughable. This is EXACTLY HOW he has made money, skirting rules and deception. If you are good at this you can make money.

He will not win anything because when the seriousness of running a country v. running a business becomes a palpable, the reality of what I wrote above will set in.

[pgardn]

This is where Repubicans get is so frkn wrong:

Run government like a business...
Does any Republican realize how incredibly stupid this is? Any Republican on this board get the utter nonsense of this, dare I call it, a thought? Implying Republicans are actually thinking... dangerous.

[hater]

Not me. A 3rd Bush would be the epitome of retardation in our country.

And Rubio? He would fuck up so bad wed have a disaster on our hands. I'd love Trump over those and most of the GOP.

Actually the only ones I'd prefer over trump are the HP lady and Rand Paul.

[hater]

Oh and LMAO at running this country is the most difficult thing to do. It's not that hard. You can delegate pretty much 95% of the job. Just look at Bush Jr. Dude couldn't even run a macdonalds. And to many Americans he was a decent pres :lmao

Being president is overrated tbh. Half of the US population could pull it off if babysat like Bush Jr

[pgardn]

Oh and LMAO at running this country is the most difficult thing to do. It's not that hard. You can delegate pretty much 95% of the job. Just look at Bush Jr. Dude couldn't even run a macdonalds. And to many Americans he was a decent pres :lmao

Being president is overrated tbh. Half of the US population could pull it off if babysat like Bush Jr

Pull it off is enough...

Therein lies part of the problem. "Pull it off" gave us the present Middle East thank you very much.
So yes, laugh your ass off.

[hater]

Yup. Nothing tells me Bush the 3rd, Rubio, Perry or any of the other tools would do a better job than Trump.

You haven't even proved it yourself. Keep telling yourself they are better presidential material than the Donald :rolleyes

[pgardn]

Yup. Nothing tells me Bush the 3rd, Rubio, Perry or any of the other tools would do a better job than Trump.

You haven't even proved it yourself. Keep telling yourself they are better presidential material than the Donald :rolleyes

So there is no way to be a great president is what you are really saying.
I get it now. Just clarify your position.

And LMAO at the thought half the population could do the job. They would have a mental breakdown. You are claiming basically that the country can run itself as well. The bureaucrats in place can handle it with a few figureheads.
Ok.

[hater]

I guarantee half the population could pull it off. With so much babysitting, it would be very easy to be presidential. Exhibit A is Bush Jr. Fact.

Of course there is a way to be a great president. I think the HP woman, even Rand Paul could make great presidents.

LMAO thinking the country requires a president in order to run :lol remove Obama from the picture and the country still runs. President is just a figurehead mostly. They barely have a say on anything tbqh.

[pgardn]

Personally I would say Reagan and Clinton were very good Leaders and ran the office exceptionally well even if I totally disagree with some of what they accomplished.

[hater]

If you are looking for a leader it doesn't get better than the Trumpster IMO

[pgardn]

So there is no way to be a great president is what you are really saying.
I get it now. Just clarify your position.

And LMAO at the thought half the population could do the job. They would have a mental breakdown. You are claiming basically that the country can run itself as well. The bureaucrats in place can handle it with a few figureheads.
Ok.

Read again.

[hater]

:lol Hilary Clinton and leader in the same sentence :lmao

[hater]

Read again.

That's the way its been running. Since possibly Bush Sr. Who was not a great pres btw

[pgardn]

If you are looking for a leader it doesn't get better than the Trumpster IMO

No way.
He does as he pleases.
Governing requires the ability to be diplomatic.

But by your standards once Trump was impeached the bureaucracy would take over. So ok.

[pgardn]

:lol Hilary Clinton and leader in the same sentence :lmao

What sentence?

[hater]

No way.
He does as he pleases.
Governing requires the ability to be diplomatic.

But by your standards once Trump was impeached the bureaucracy would take over. So ok.

Clinton got a blowjob in the oval office and lied to the courts about it. If that didn't get him impeached I doubt the Donald would for speaking his mind.

[hater]

What sentence?

That one

[ChumpDumper]

Clinton got a blowjob in the oval office and lied to the courts about it. If that didn't get him impeached I doubt the Donald would for speaking his mind.He was impeached.

[hater]

He was impeached.

Sure he was buddy :rolleyes

[ChumpDumper]

Sure he was buddy :rolleyesPresident Bill Clinton was impeached.

I will bet any amount of money on it.

[hater]

President Bill Clinton was impeached.

I will bet any amount of money on it.

Sure buddy sure he did :lol

[pgardn]

That one

But it does not matter so who cares. Hilary will be just fine as the country runs itself. Cynicism is very easy.

So what positions in the U.S. Government actually run the government?

[DisAsTerBot]

impeached by the house, sucka!

[ChumpDumper]

Sure buddy sure he did :lol
How much do you want to bet he didn't?

[mrsmaalox]

Someone doesn't know what "impeach" means

[boutons_deux]

Someone doesn't know what "impeach" means

Repugs, bubbas, red necks, marans, Bible humpers are mostly illiterate, ignorant, inarticulate

[hater]

But it does not matter so who cares. Hilary will be just fine as the country runs itself. Cynicism is very easy.

So what positions in the U.S. Government actually run the government?

I never denied a president CAN make a difference. I said its possible for a president to be a total imbecile and the country will keep running. Exhibit A Bush Jr.

Still waiting on how Shillary, Jeb or Rubio would do a better job than Trump.....

[ChumpDumper]

I never denied a president CAN make a difference. I said its possible for a president to be a total imbecile and the country will keep running. Exhibit A Bush Jr.

Still waiting on how Shillary, Jeb or Rubio would do a better job than Trump.....Still waiting for you to put your money where your mouth is on Bill Clinton's impeachment.

[hater]

Still waiting for you to put your money where your mouth is on Bill Clinton's impeachment.

:rolleyes

sure he was buddy :rolleyes

"Bill Clinton was acquitted. The senate did not reach the 2/3's majority needed to fully process his impeachment. Clinton was impeached by the House on two charges. The first being perjury, and the second being obstruction of justice. Following this he was acquitted by the senate."



lol impeached

[ChumpDumper]

:rolleyes

sure he was buddy :rolleyes

"The senate did not reach the 2/3's majority needed to fully process his impeachment. Clinton was impeached by the House on two charges. The first being perjury, and the second being obstruction of justice. Following this he was acquitted by the senate."



lol impeachedThe Senate doesn't impeach the President. The Senate tries the President after his impeachment by the House.

[hater]

:rolleyes

sure he was buddy :rolleyes

"Bill Clinton was acquitted. The senate did not reach the 2/3's majority needed to fully process his impeachment. Clinton was impeached by the House on two charges. The first being perjury, and the second being obstruction of justice. Following this he was acquitted by the senate."



lol impeached

[ChumpDumper]

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and Misdemeanors.Clinton was impeached.

He was not convicted.

[hater]

On February 12, 1999, the five-week impeachment trial of Bill Clinton comes to an end, with the Senate voting to acquit the president on both articles of impeachment: perjury and obstruction of justice.

sure he was buddy :rolleyes

[ChumpDumper]

On February 12, 1999, the five-week impeachment trial of Bill Clinton comes to an end, with the Senate voting to acquit the president on both articles of impeachment: perjury and obstruction of justice.

sure he was buddy :rolleyesYep, the trial came to an end.

He had already been impeached.


December 19, 1998.

RESOLUTION

Resolved, That William Jefferson Clinton, President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following articles of impeachment be exhibited to the United States Senate....http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c105:4:./temp/~c105TOu8b2::

[hater]

On February 12, 1999, the five-week impeachment trial of Bill Clinton comes to an end, with the Senate voting to acquit the president on both articles of impeachment: perjury and obstruction of justice.

sure he was buddy :rolleyes

sure it was buddy :rolleyes

[ChumpDumper]

sure it was buddy :rolleyesYep, that was the trial.

He had already been impeached. See quote and link above.

[CosmicCowboy]

You can be impeached without being found guilty. The impeachment is the actual accusation.

[spurraider21]

"two party system has serious flaws"

no, the REPUG party is seriously flawed, overtaken, controlled by VRWC-financed extremists who are intent on blocking all govt progress, while screwing the 99% and enabling/protecting/enriching the 1%.


VRWC/BigCorp/FIRE is paying Repug politicians to maintain the status quo which rigged in their favor.



:lol VLWC
:lol booboo

[pgardn]

I never denied a president CAN make a difference. I said its possible for a president to be a total imbecile and the country will keep running. Exhibit A Bush Jr.

Still waiting on how Shillary, Jeb or Rubio would do a better job than Trump.....

I have already told why Trump would be horrible. You basically say ithe country can run itself with a poor president so what's your point with even mentioning the others?

And since the country can run itself, even with a megalomaniac like Trump, what positions in Government would Trump have to fill, or positions that would make a difference? I am assuming you don't want to move to Somalia given my last sentence. In other words, if no one runs a government there is no government. The institution ceases to exist.

So what positions would are the most critical since the poor president will not effect the government?

[hater]

I have already told why Trump would be horrible. You basically say ithe country can run itself with a poor president so what's your point with even mentioning the others?

And since the country can run itself, even with a megalomaniac like Trump, what positions in Government would Trump have to fill, or positions that would make a difference? I am assuming you don't want to move to Somalia given my last sentence. In other words, if no one runs a government there is no government. The institution ceases to exist.

So what positions would are the most critical since the poor president will not effect the government?

Already stated a president CAN make a difference. But an imbecile can easily be president, by that I mean fulfill the presidential duties. Exhibit A, Bush.

Not sure where ur question is coming from. No one position is essential to government. Are you saying the government is filled with single points of failure?? Completely disagree with that.

[pgardn]

Already stated a president CAN make a difference. But an imbecile can easily be president, by that I mean fulfill the presidential duties. Exhibit A, Bush.

Not sure where ur question is coming from. No one position is essential to government. Are you saying the government is filled with single points of failure?? Completely disagree with that.

Ok we will tick off a list I guess:

We can start outside the Executive office.
Do you think Supreme Court appointments are critical?

And You think half of America could handle constantly being criticized, constantly be under threat of assassination, constantly have Secret Service telling them where to step and breathe. Really? I'm out as Pres. btw.

[hater]

You're looking at it the wrong way. Every branch of government being essential doesn't mean a part of each branch is.

And no president alone is not a branch of government. The presidential branch is run by the entire white house staff.

So again. No single individual is essential for government to run.

[pgardn]

Another bush? I rather become iranan citizen. Rubio? I rather become Cuban citizen

Neither of those have a clue how to run a country. At least trump can run a business empire. Trump trumps

This is where it all started. I'm guessing your definition of "run" changed.

You claim That we have had many incompetent presidents and that half of this board could be president and run the country. (It does not really matter as the country could run itself in later posts.) Yet you would rather become an Iranian citizen implying it does matter. So I don't get it.

I guess you are saying a president who does nothing but the very basics, like the Queen of England, could suffice. As long as a president does not actually try to do anything ((Bush and Iraq) we are ok?

The most powerful position in the state of Texas is probably the Speaker of The House. The next set of questions were centered around this type of evaluation. Not about the entire structure v. A specific part. Just questions on specific positions.

[hater]

This is where it all started.

You claim That we have had many incompetent presidents and that half of the board could be president.

Yes. Bush Jr makes this a fact.


But then it does not really matter as the country could run itself in later posts.

yes


Yet you would rather become an Iranian citizen implying it does matter. So I don't get it.

No I rather become an Iranian citizen if a 3rd Bush is elected to office. Just another Bush in the presidency who would expand on the previous 2 assholes would make an absolute mockery of this country


I guess you are saying a president who does nothing but the very basics like the Queen of England could suffice. So long as long as a president does not actually try to do anything ((Bush and Iraq) we are ok?

You guess wrong. I never said Bush Jr. made an OK job. I said his stupid ass was able to get himself elected and remain in the presidency for the entire term. His presidency was an absolute disgrace but mainly because his handlers made it that way. (Cheney, Rove, etc)

A good president can possibly make a difference for the better. Just that the present candidates most likely wouldn't. Thus I see no difference between a Jeb Bush, or a Rubio or a Trump. At least Trump makes it entertaining

[pgardn]

And Trump can be a good president and make a positive difference?

As well as entertain.

[pgardn]

Yes. Bush Jr makes this a fact.



yes



No I rather become an Iranian citizen if a 3rd Bush is elected to office. Just another Bush in the presidency who would expand on the previous 2 assholes would make an absolute mockery of this country



You guess wrong. I never said Bush Jr. made an OK job. I said his stupid ass was able to get himself elected and remain in the presidency for the entire term. His presidency was an absolute disgrace but mainly because his handlers made it that way. (Cheney, Rove, etc)

A good president can possibly make a difference for the better. Just that the present candidates most likely wouldn't. Thus I see no difference between a Jeb Bush, or a Rubio or a Trump. At least Trump makes it entertaining

No way half of this board could handle the pressure. Fact. If Bush being a bad president is a fact.

You are sure Jeb Bush is just like his brother but not his dad? Or his dad sucked as well?

[hater]

another bush. that's all I need to know.


Still waiting for your reasons as to why Jeb would do a better job than Trump. And talking better and being more diplomatic arent 2 of them. Obama is one of the best most diplomatic speakers in history and he still sucks.

[djohn2oo8]

Not pertaining to trump but still LOL

630893639296778240

[pgardn]

another bush. that's all I need to know.


Still waiting for your reasons as to why Jeb would do a better job than Trump. And talking better and being more diplomatic arent 2 of them. Obama is one of the best most diplomatic speakers in history and he still sucks.

Simple.

He is not all about himself putting on a show.
Trump is a megalomaniac, I thought I stated this.

I think you and others put a lot into heredity and or last names.

Obama is a horrible leader. You call diplomacy completely blowing off the Republicans, especially the House, when he was first elected? Thinking you have a mandate to steamroll the other party is horribly stupid.

[boutons_deux]

"You call diplomacy completely blowing off the Republicans, especially the House, when he was first elected? Thinking you have a mandate to steamroll the other party is horribly stupid."

Obama was incredibly naive to think he could work with Repugs in 2009, who have demonstrated TOTAL obstructionism on ever single issue. "steamroll" :lol

Where did Obama steamroll Repugs in 2009/10?

[hater]

Simple.

He is not all about himself putting on a show.
Trump is a megalomaniac, I thought I stated this.

I think you and others put a lot into heredity and or last names.

Obama is a horrible leader. You call diplomacy completely blowing off the Republicans, especially the House, when he was first elected? Thinking you have a mandate to steamroll the other party is horribly stupid.

Usually megalomaniacs are the best leaders. Read history


The Donald fears nobody and doesn't care for anyone's endorsements. Yet mainstream media and other candidates are terrified of him. Such a man could possibly the leader we need in this country.

Trump it is :tu

[ChumpDumper]

Trolls really love Trump.

Go figure.

[boutons_deux]

Trolls really love Trump.

Go figure.

same ignorant, confused assholes who adored pitbull bitch, some still do

[hater]

Still waiting on reasonings on how Jeb, Rubio or matter fact Shillary would do a better job :rolleyes

Crickets

[hater]

Lol 2 of the biggest trolls in the forum calling other serious posters trolls :lol

[pgardn]

Usually megalomaniacs are the best leaders. Read history


The Donald fears nobody and doesn't care for anyone's endorsements. Yet mainstream media and other candidates are terrified of him. Such a man could possibly the leader we need in this country.

Trump it is :tu

Yes Hitler, Stalin, Napoleon, Mussolini did wonderful things for their countries.

Read history and follow the eventual catastrophe of these personalities.
Read history...
Holy crap.

[pgardn]

Simple.

He is not all about himself putting on a show.
Trump is a megalomaniac, I thought I stated this.

I think you and others put a lot into heredity and or last names.

Obama is a horrible leader. You call diplomacy completely blowing off the Republicans, especially the House, when he was first elected? Thinking you have a mandate to steamroll the other party is horribly stupid.

See above Boots.
Read.

[pgardn]

Still waiting on reasonings on how Jeb, Rubio or matter fact Shillary would do a better job :rolleyes

Crickets

Given.

But keep repeating if you wish.

[hater]

Yes Hitler, Stalin, Napoleon, Mussolini did wonderful things for their countries.

Read history and follow the eventual catastrophe of these personalities.
Read history...
Holy crap.

Lmao listing the typical evil leaders. I give you Alexander the Great, George Washington, Winston Churchill, Margaret Thatcher, Mao Zedong. Awesome leaders but also megalomaniacs.


Read history. Trump would lead the nation like no other including shillary

[hater]

Given.

But keep repeating if you wish.

Not given. Diplomacy and being a better talker do not count. Exhibit A Barak Obama

Still waiting.....

[pgardn]

Lmao listing the typical evil leaders. I give you Alexander the Great, George Washington, Winston Churchill, Margaret Thatcher, Mao Zedong. Awesome leaders but also megalomaniacs.


Read history. Trump would lead the nation like no other including shillary

George Wahington and Thatcher... = Trump

Holy shit you really don't read.

You want Mao? Holy shit.

[pgardn]

Not given. Diplomacy and being a better talker do not count. Exhibit A Barak Obama

Still waiting.....

Oh so being able to communicate and manipulate without alienating by constant Ill tempered insults will get er done...

Keep waiting.

[hater]

George Wahington and Thatcher... = Trump

Holy shit you really don't read.

You want Mao? Holy shit.

On terms of magalomaniacy and leadership yes. Trump is all time imo.

Ratchet was about to nuke Argentina in order to look good. And Washington? He had his own slaves for christ sakes :lmao

[m>s]

same ignorant, confused assholes who adored pitbull bitch, some still do
Misogynist pig

[hater]

Oh so being able to communicate and manipulate without alienating by constant Ill tempered insults will get er done...

Keep waiting.

It's not an insult if he's telling the truth tbqh

[pgardn]

On terms of magalomaniacy and leadership yes. Trump is all time imo.

Ratchet was about to nuke Argentina in order to look good. And Washington? He had his own slaves :lmao

You have read about Washingtons slaves and his quandary and call him a megalomaniac? He was one of our most reluctant leaders. You know nothing about Washington or Thatcher.
You really don't, or we are reading completely different history.

[pgardn]

It's not an insult if he's telling the truth tbqh

So you think he is telling the truth about his bankruptcies?
Holy shit again.

[m>s]

George Wahington and Thatcher... = Trump

Holy shit you really don't read.

You want Mao? Holy shit.
Thatcher was nothing but a little b

[hater]

So you think he is telling the truth about his bankruptcies?
Holy shit again.

What do his bankrupcies have to do with the insults you are referring to? Moving goalposts I see...

[SpursforSix]

Thatcher was nothing but a little b

Speaking of little b...

Rapper drops Clinton for Sanders
Washington (CNN)California rapper Brandon McCartney, known by his professional name Lil B The Based God, (https://www.youtube.com/user/lilbpack1/videos) released a track last year expressing his love and respect for Bill Clinton.

And in his ode to the former President, titled "B---- I'm Bill Clinton," (https://soundcloud.com/everythingredflame/22-bitch-im-bill-clinton)he raps a sort of endorsement for Hillary Clinton even before her 2016 presidential bid was announced: "Shout-outs to Hillary Clinton. You gonna win that presidency."
But last month, Lil B took that endorsement back, and in a series of passionate tweets, he publicly endorsed Bernie Sanders, saying, "As much as I want to a woman leading the USA, right now it's all about Bernie ... he's the real he loves us."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/10/politics/lil-b-based-god-black-lives-matter-clinton-sanders/

[hater]

You have read about Washingtons slaves and his quandary and call him a megalomaniac? He was one of our most reluctant leaders. You know nothing about Washington or Thatcher.
You really don't, or we are reading completely different history.

He had slaves that dressed him and served him breakfast. If that's not being a mgalimaniac. I don't know what is

[Clipper Nation]

Trolls really love Trump.

Go figure.
Who are you supporting, David? Let me guess - Hillary?

[ChumpDumper]

Who are you supporting, David? Let me guess - Hillary?Haven't decided, David.

All I know is anyone supporting Trump is an idiot.

Don't get angry again.

[hater]

Still waiting on logistics as to how Jebb/Rubio/other loser is a better choice over Trump.... 3 pages and counting...

[Splits]

Trump is already done: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/donald-trump-is-winning-the-polls-and-losing-the-nomination-2/

[ChumpDumper]

Still waiting on logistics as to how Jebb/Rubio/other loser is a better choice over Trump.... 3 pages and counting...One of those others would have some chance of winning a general election.

[boutons_deux]

Trump is only running a self-promoting marketing campaign, pimping his brand, and tea baggers, rightwingnuts, bubbas, etc are actually being suckered in, as with grifter pitbull bitch.

[hater]

One of those others would have some chance of winning a general election.

Fail. That wasn't my question. Try again.

[ChumpDumper]

Fail. That wasn't my question. Try again.


Still waiting on logistics as to how Jebb/Rubio/other loser is a better choice over Trump.... 3 pages and counting...

How was that not your question?

Did you have a second question?

[hater]

How was that not your question?

Did you have a second question?

Reading comprehension failure. Re read and give it another shot

[ChumpDumper]

Reading comprehension failure. Re read and give it another shot


Still waiting on logistics as to how Jebb/Rubio/other loser is a better choice over Trump.... 3 pages and counting...I read it.

I answered it.

Is there another question you are whining about?

Ask it.

[m>s]

Trump is already done: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/donald-trump-is-winning-the-polls-and-losing-the-nomination-2/
He's not done but even if he doesn't win and they screw him he wok ensure that a dem wins. I say good, soon you all will see what happens with your communist policies. Once this plane crashes we can rebuild. All the useless eaters won't eat and will perish.

[ChumpDumper]

He's not done but even if he doesn't win and they screw him he wok ensure that a dem wins. I say good, soon you all will see what happens with your communist policies. Once this plane crashes we can rebuild. All the useless eaters won't eat and will perish.If he runs as an independent, Democrats win.

If he runs as the Republican nominee, Democrats win.

[hater]

Reading comprehension failure. Re read and give it another shot

[ChumpDumper]

If you have another question, ask it. It's not like Trump will ever be President anyway.

[m>s]

If he runs as an independent, Democrats win.

If he runs as the Republican nominee, Democrats win.
Trump could beat shillary

[ChumpDumper]

Trump could beat shillaryNope. Just like you, women don't like him.

[boutons_deux]

Nope. Just like you, women don't like him.

no Repug has won the woman vote since 1988. Trump the misogynist chump sure wouldn't

[hater]

:lmao a guy with 95,000 posts in an internet forum claiming to know what women like :lol

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao a guy with 95,000 posts in an internet forum claiming to know what women like :lolThey don't like Trump.

Don't get angry, it's just a fact.

[RandomGuy]

The question thrown at Trump today about "leading an independent campaign" was Fox's final attempt to sabotage the man.

They are attempting to see if that question is going to lose Trumps fanbase.

The thing that is absolutely clear is that this exposed the media for what it is and the internet is exploding with "Death to foxnews"

People are not understanding that the question he was posed is the biggest question in the entirety of the nomination.

If trumps fan base falls and his independent campaign even claims a few % the dems win.

The GOP will have no choice but to nominate Trump because if they don't they will lose the election.

Trump knows this and put his dick on the table and called their bluff.

Remember this

(shrugs)

Who knows if there are enough sane people left in the GOP to stop him. I have to wonder.

[boutons_deux]

(shrugs)

Who knows if there are enough sane people left in the GOP to stop him. I have to wonder.

there are sane ones, but they are intimidated by the crazies. I can't imagine Trump being the candidate, but I can't see from now how he will not get it. If he carries all the primaries, then what, going into the convention?

[m>s]

Nope. Just like you, women don't like him.

Next


http://youtu.be/Io6B3AfG2HA

[ChumpDumper]

Next


http://youtu.be/Io6B3AfG2HANext, his unfavorable rating among women is 64%.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling/us/us07302015_U645de.pdf

But you got a YouTube.

[m>s]

I guess you don't consider them women. Not much has changed with you dems.

[ChumpDumper]

I guess you don't consider them women. Not much has changed with you dems.You don't even consider them to be Americans.

This is how desperate you have become.

lol

[hater]

(shrugs)

Who knows if there are enough sane people left in the GOP to stop him. I have to wonder.

What I want to know if there are enough sane dems who can stop Shillary....

[CosmicCowboy]

Right now it's Trump the showman against 17.

If it actually gets to where it is Trump vs. ? as the others drop out Trump will get his ass kicked

[boutons_deux]

Right now it's Trump the showman against 17.

If it actually gets to where it is Trump vs. ? as the others drop out Trump will get his ass kicked

Polls have Trump losing the both Hillary and Bernie.

[hater]

According to mainstream media, polls and "experts" last month. Trump should be 6 foot underground today.

Well shit. What happened? :lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

Polls have Trump losing the both Hillary and Bernie.

Trump would lose to just about any of the other Republican one on one as well.

[m>s]

You don't even consider them to be Americans.

This is how desperate you have become.

lol
Notice he's isn't deny it. I'm just calling u out so others know about you and don't get mislead by a shill.

[Clipper Nation]

Nope. Just like you, women don't like him.
Shillary now has a higher unfavorability rating than favorability among white women according to NBC polling.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/wary-voters-shake-up-presidential-race-1438641090?mod=wsj_streaming_latest-headlines

Doesn't represent ALL women, but that should be her bread-and-butter demographic and they hate her.

[m>s]

Shillary now has a higher unfavorability rating than favorability among white women according to NBC polling.http://www.wsj.com/articles/wary-voters-shake-up-presidential-race-1438641090?mod=wsj_streaming_latest-headlines Doesn't represent ALL women, but that should be her bread-and-butter demographic and they hate her.this this this

[hater]

Lol

[boutons_deux]

they hate her.

hate? :lol so they will vote for any Repug where each is a proven, documented misogynist?

[hater]

Shillary is done

Does Hillary Have a Women Problem?
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/does-hillary-have-a-women-problem.html

[hater]

Democrats like to argue that demographics are destiny. If so, they’re headed for disaster, as long as Hillary Clinton remains the front-runner for the nomination. A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll shows her favorability ratings shrinking, most significantly among two demographics considered key to Democratic turnout. The WSJ report focuses on one particular subgroup:

Many Democrats have long hoped that Hillary Clinton might expand Barack Obama‘s electoral coalition by drawing in more white women voters.

A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll suggests she may have a tough time pulling it off. Mrs. Clinton is losing ground with white women and many other important slices of the electorate, the poll shows, amid a spate of reports about her email practices, speaking fees and foreigndonations to the Clinton Foundation.

In June, 44% of white women had a favorable view of Mrs. Clinton, compared to 43% who didn’t. In July, those numbers moved in the wrong direction for Mrs. Clinton: Only 34% of white women saw her in a positive light, compared to 53% who had a negative impression of her, the poll found.

That’s a problem, but one that Democrats have had in the past, too. As Peter Nicholas points out, Mitt Romney won that subgroup by 14 points in 2012. The scope of the problem is what should worry Democrats, especially since one of the main premises of the Hillary Clinton campaign is the opportunity for women to make history by electing the first woman President. Either that message isn’t as compelling as Democrats thought, or Hillary herself isn’t.

That’s not the big story, though — this graph is:

http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/wsj-chart.jpg

Look at the slide in these key demos within the Democratic coalition. In just one month, Hillary has lost nearly 10 points among all women, and is now underwater. Her negatives have jumped significantly among independents to a majority (27/52), and close to a plurality among younger voters. In all three cases, the number of neutrals declined at the same time, which means less opportunity to correct the trend. Even among black voters, a constituency that Democrats must have both engaged and enthusiastic in order to win, a significant drop in favorability has taken place. She went from 81/3 to 66/15 in thirty days.

It’s not just the suburban-mom vote. It’s across the board in almost every demo that matters. And this collapse is happening fast, suggesting once again that the more people see Hillary Clinton, the less they like her.

Nichols offers Democrats one lifeline at the end:

If Mrs. Clinton wants some comfort in the latest poll numbers, she can look to history. Back in 1992, a Democratic candidate named Bill Clinton also grappled with a poor negative image. In the summer before the presidential election that year, only 30% had a positive view of Mr. Clinton; 38% saw him in a negative light.

He went on to become the nation’s 42nd president.
Yeah, but. In 1992, people hardly knew Bill Clinton, and the exposure of his infidelity did some damage. At 30/38, though, Bill had plenty of upside left and a lot of political talent with which to woo the neutrals and the soft opposition, and his peccadilloes were seen as personal. Hillary Clinton has had 23 years in the spotlight since that time, and the scandals in which she’s mired are related to public corruption, not private relationships. Even if there were people who don’t know Hillary well enough to be persuaded, she clearly lacks the natural political talent that Bill has, or her favorables wouldn’t be collapsing, especially among otherwise loyal Democratic constituencies.

[m>s]

Literally every woman I've spoken to about this, at least a couple dozen, ALL hate Hillary

[ChumpDumper]

Notice he's isn't deny it. I'm just calling u out so others know about you and don't get mislead by a shill.Nothing you say changes the numbers.

[ChumpDumper]

Shillary now has a higher unfavorability rating than favorability among white women according to NBC polling.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/wary-voters-shake-up-presidential-race-1438641090?mod=wsj_streaming_latest-headlines

Doesn't represent ALL women, but that should be her bread-and-butter demographic and they hate her.They hate Trump more.

[m>s]

Nothing you say changes the numbers.your sources and numbers suck

[Clipper Nation]

They hate Trump more.
Trump will be phenomenal to the women, David. He can beat Shillary.

[in2deep]

Painting Trump as a woman hater is pretty fucking stupid.

the man has had what? 4 wives? he can't get enough of them

[Clipper Nation]

"There's nothing I love more than women, but they're really a lot different than portrayed. They are far worse than men, far more aggressive, and boy, can they be smart. Let's give credit where credit is due, and let's salute women for their tremendous power, which most men are afraid to admit they have." ("Trump: The Art of the Comeback")

:cry "But, but, Trump hates women!" :cry

[Splits]

The Donald is done: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/has_the_donald_peaked


Donald Trump remains the leader in the race for the Republican presidential nomination, but his support has fallen by a third over the past week-and-a-half. Carly Fiorina is now near the front of the pack.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds Trump with 17% support among Likely Republican Primary Voters, down from 26% in late July before the first GOP debate (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/trump_is_well_ahead_as_first_debate_looms).

...

In late July, Trump earned 30% of the male vote and had 22% support among women. He now earns 19% and 14% support from these two groups.

:cry but, but the women love Trump :cry

[Clipper Nation]

After the 2010 midterm elections, Silver concluded that Rasmussen's polls were the least accurate of the major pollsters in 2010, having an average error of 5.8 points and a pro-Republican bias of 3.9 points according to Silver's model.

[Clipper Nation]

Polls such as Rasmussen Reports’ that take methodological shortcuts reach only a tiny fraction of the voter population (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-poll-scientific-if-it-excludes-more/), resulting in poor raw data.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/why-did-a-rasmussen-reports-poll-disappear/

[ChumpDumper]

your sources and numbers suckYou can't refute them, no matter how many YouTubes you post.

[m>s]

You can't refute them, no matter how many YouTubes you post.
Fake and gay, stop shillposting. The women love Donald.

[hater]

He said hell be fantastic to them if elected. Good enough for me.

[ChumpDumper]

Fake and gay, stop shillposting. The women love Donald.Nope, it's a real, asexual poll. You failed to refute it.

[ducks]

I think trump might have peaked but if people like his policies he will get back to those levels or fall off

he is a very interesting candidate

they will not be 17 in awhile then he might even get past his highest number then if people like his views and policies
they are short of a ? now. Pretty smart how he is playing that do not let people have to much info tell you start dropping

[PublicOption]

Donald Trump is there for the same reason Bauchmann was. 1. Remind the GOP lemmings there is an election coming up. 2. Keep people from focusing on the populist Rand Paul, just like Bauchmann et al did from Ron Paul.

[hater]

Fail..dont remember Bachman singlehandely breaking all time ratings records

[clambake]

the gop has already received a major gift.

[Splits]

Trump doesn't know what the 13 stripes on the flag stand for :lol


http://buzzfeed-video1.s3.amazonaws.com/video/2015/08/11/Trump13Stripes-500x376.mp4

[m>s]

Comedians love him. Donald Trump is practically a caricature of himself. He's so rediculous he should be an asterisk in the polling results.

Yet Trump leads all Republicans in the polls. Not just one poll, not just one state, and not just one week. Why?
Most people write it off as a fluke. It's not sustainable. It's just a temporary embarrassing moment in American politics.

I believe they are missing the bigger story. There is an ideology at work here.

It's hard to pin down exactly what is Trump's ideology because he tends to say whatever comes into his head. He often contradicts himself, except with the jingoism so popular with the GOP. However, he is consistent on at least three issues.

1) Immigration (complete intolerance)
2) Economic nationalism (shift trade policy to mercantilism)
3) Corporate policy (eliminate corporate taxes and regulation)

On all three of these issues Trump is consistent with one of the most sucessful political ideologies of the 20th Century - Fascism.

[m>s]

With the full economic collapse set to happen before elections, they can blame democrats and welfare rats. Then they can offer the military as a viable job since so one has any money. This is literally Wiemar.

Be scared, libcucks

[daslicer]

Looking at the polls the only candidate whose numbers have drastically changed is Carly Fiorina. I would venture to say after Trump smacks her around in the next debate her numbers will drop. One thing I have learned about political debates over the years its not about sounding the smartest that wins you the debate but it's about who comes across as the most aggressive. Trump will continue to be aggressive and in the process make all the other candidates look weak and thus will continue to have the lead in the GOP primaries.

[ChumpDumper]

Comedians love him. Donald Trump is practically a caricature of himself. He's so rediculous he should be an asterisk in the polling results.

Yet Trump leads all Republicans in the polls. Not just one poll, not just one state, and not just one week. Why?
Most people write it off as a fluke. It's not sustainable. It's just a temporary embarrassing moment in American politics.

I believe they are missing the bigger story. There is an ideology at work here.

It's hard to pin down exactly what is Trump's ideology because he tends to say whatever comes into his head. He often contradicts himself, except with the jingoism so popular with the GOP. However, he is consistent on at least three issues.

1) Immigration (complete intolerance)
2) Economic nationalism (shift trade policy to mercantilism)
3) Corporate policy (eliminate corporate taxes and regulation)

On all three of these issues Trump is consistent with one of the most sucessful political ideologies of the 20th Century - Fascism.Fascism failed badly.

[Clipper Nation]

Donald Trump is there for the same reason Bauchmann was. 1. Remind the GOP lemmings there is an election coming up. 2. Keep people from focusing on the populist Rand Paul, just like Bauchmann et al did from Ron Paul.
Rand has done a good enough job of being forgettable on his own. He's flip-flopped so much that he's just another neocon now.

[m>s]

Fascism failed badly.
Nein, it brought Germany back to prominence and the world powers got jealous

[CosmicCowboy]

Nein, it brought Germany back to prominence and the world powers got jealous

So will Trump Blitzkrieg Mexico?

[CosmicCowboy]

Hell, why stop there? We could make it all the way to the Antarctic Ocean.

[m>s]

So will Trump Blitzkrieg Mexico?
He realistically should if they continue their hostile behavior towards us and don't build wall

[ChumpDumper]

Nein, it brought Germany back to prominence and the world powers got jealousNo, it failed and never came back to Germany, which is doing better than ever.

[m>s]

No, it failed and never came back to Germany, which is doing better than ever.
We disagree, my family was actually there

[ChumpDumper]

:cry Muh fascist family :cry

[Frank Dux]

He's turned the race into a reality show and will win the Republican nomination. If he gets Honey BooBoo as his running mate, he just might win the whole thing.

[m>s]

Trump would be smart to select either Cruz, myself, or that black surgeon has his VP

[CosmicCowboy]

Trump would make his wife VP.

It might work. She is screaming hot.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/sites/default/files/styles/content_full_width/public/field/image/articles/trump_0.jpg?itok=7tKwFVDH

[RandomGuy]

What I want to know if there are enough sane dems who can stop Shillary....

Probably going to throw in my vote for Bernie. Hillary is more than capable of the job, and pretty uniquely qualified in many ways.

Going with heart over mind, which is odd for me.

[pgardn]

What do his bankrupcies have to do with the insults you are referring to? Moving goalposts I see...

You said he told the truth.

Wtf moving goalposts.

[m>s]

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1439415113018.png

[m>s]

Tump leading Iowa

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/politics/iowa-donald-trump-poll-cnn-orc/index.html

[hater]

You said he told the truth.

Wtf moving goalposts.

I said they are not insults if its true referring to the insults you are whining about


ALL thse politicians lie. Lets hope you are not one of those ppl.that believe their candidate tells the truth :lol

[Splits]

http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Trump-lion-Kelly.jpg

[Winehole23]

fascists and baby libertarians line up to kiss the hand of lifetime Democrat, Obamacare supporter and longtime Clinton buddy, Donald Trump.

[m>s]

Blah blah slander slander, positions and views evolve over time. Just 5 years ago I myself wasn't racially aware.

[hater]

fascists and baby libertarians line up to kiss the hand of lifetime Democrat, Obamacare supporter and longtime Clinton buddy, Donald Trump.

Meanwhile democrats are forced to decide between poison pill Shillary and the retarded part time idiot full time clown Joe Biden :lmao

The white house cringes every time he has a public appearance :lol

[Winehole23]

the potential matchups are revolting no matter how you slice it

[pgardn]

I said they are not insults if its true referring to the insults you are whining about


ALL thse politicians lie. Lets hope you are not one of those ppl.that believe their candidate tells the truth :lol

So Kelley was on her period.
Glad he was able to sniff that out.
They all do it so its ok line... C'mon.

And Stop with the emoticons, it makes you look like a teenager.

[in2deep]

So Kelley was on her period.
Glad he was able to sniff that out.
They all do it so its ok line... C'mon.

And Stop with the emoticons, it makes you look like a teenager.

it's ok?

[hater]

So Kelley was on her period.
Glad he was able to sniff that out.
They all do it so its ok line... C'mon.

And Stop with the emoticons, it makes you look like a teenager.

you gotta be an extreme sexual deviant to believe The Donald was referring to her menstrual period.

:rolleyes

[pgardn]

you gotta be an extreme sexual deviant to believe The Donald was referring to her menstrual period.

:rolleyes

So where else was she bleeding from BESIDES her EYES?
Shes a getdemmed horned toad or something?

[DMX7]

you gotta be an extreme sexual deviant to believe The Donald was referring to her menstrual period.

:rolleyes

I agree... Although I wouldn't use Donald's exact words like a complete tool... But..., I do doubt that is what he meant. He isn't stupid enough to go there.

[boutons_deux]

I agree... Although I wouldn't use Donald's exact words like a complete tool... But..., I do doubt that is what he meant. He isn't stupid enough to go there.

It wasn't stupidity, it was his well-known, life-long sexism and misogyny, both so loved by the Repugs, tea baggers, Bible humpers. Trump is classless trash from which his money can't extract him.

Shitbag Trump is exposing the shitty people of the Repug base which the Repugs have been pandering to for decades.

[ducks]

Right now it's Trump the showman against 17.

If it actually gets to where it is Trump vs. ? as the others drop out Trump will get his ass kicked

Lol

[midnightpulp]

Lol

Fix any computers lately, ducks?

[ducks]

2 today half day

[midnightpulp]

2 today half day

Nice.

[midnightpulp]

2 today half day

Nice.

[DMC]

Nice twice for two PC repairs.

There are some real pundits here. :lol

[Spurtacular]

Cherp got his ass handed to him in this thread. :lol

[DMC]

This thread shows that, no matter the outcome of the last 4 years, Trump was going to be a failure to the left. TDS is very real.

[baseline bum]

This thread shows that, no matter the outcome of the last 4 years, Trump was going to be a failure to the left. TDS is very real.

LOL people who think Trump is a competent president accusing anyone else of TDS.

[DMC]

LOL people who think Trump is a competent president accusing anyone else of TDS.
Whether or not Trump is competent, the evidence is here that the well was poison before anyone got a chance to drink from it.

[baseline bum]

Whether or not Trump is competent, the evidence is here that the well was poison before anyone got a chance to drink from it.

Expecting a guy mentored by Roy Cohn to be a shitty and corrupt president was somehow unwarranted?

[spurraider21]

Obviously incompetent candidate becomes incompetent President.

BIAS!

[DMC]

Expecting a guy mentored by Roy Cohn to be a shitty and corrupt president was somehow unwarranted?

Warranted or not, the facts are there that the TDSers, the never Trumpers had no plan of ever considering him anything but a failure before he ever set foot in office, before he ever was the GOP candidate.

[DMC]

Obviously incompetent candidate becomes incompetent President.

BIAS!

How can you say he was an incompetent candidate when he won the primary? What record did he have for public office and policy? I didn't like him as a person, still don't, and I refused to vote for either of those clowns, but some of you have ridden the TDS train for 4 years and have never had any plans on doing anything else. It's easy to see why some on the right think there's a conspiracy to wreck the country just to get Trump out of office.

[baseline bum]

Warranted or not, the facts are there that the TDSers, the never Trumpers had no plan of ever considering him anything but a failure before he ever set foot in office, before he ever was the GOP candidate.

Why would anyone consider another McCarthy to have any potential to be anything but a failure?

[baseline bum]

It's easy to see why some on the right think there's a conspiracy to wreck the country just to get Trump out of office.

That's the true TDS. As if it's not Trump wrecking the country. Some COVID plan he has, just keep saying it's going away.

[spurraider21]

How can you say he was an incompetent candidate when he won the primary? What record did he have for public office and policy? I didn't like him as a person, still don't, and I refused to vote for either of those clowns, but some of you have ridden the TDS train for 4 years and have never had any plans on doing anything else. It's easy to see why some on the right think there's a conspiracy to wreck the country just to get Trump out of office.
Incompetent for the job he was seeking. “But he won” doesn’t make him more fit or competent for the position

[ChumpDumper]

Whether or not Trump is competent, the evidence is here that the well was poison before anyone got a chance to drink from it.Turns out we were right. He's the worst president in US history.

You had the misfortune of admitting your support right before the pandemic when Trump sealed his and your fate.

You've been a whataboutornado ever since.

[ducks]

Lol he is the best president in everyone’s lifetime that is alive now

[DMC]

Why would anyone consider another McCarthy to have any potential to be anything but a failure?

So are you agreeing with my original assertion that never Trumpers had no intention of being objective? You seem to be defending the concept but not disagreeing with it.

[DMC]

Incompetent for the job he was seeking. “But he won” doesn’t make him more fit or competent for the position

Minus COVID-19 Trump wins 2020 by landslide. His results can only be challenged on subjective social issues and personal demeanor while in office (aka not Presidential enough).

Which of these do you disagree with (From Whitehouse.gov)?


Almost 4 million jobs created since election.
More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
Under my Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. We are committed to VOCATIONAL education.
95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.
Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.
Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.
Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
Record number of regulations eliminated.
Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
My Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.
Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.
Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.
NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.
Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.
Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.
Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.
Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.
Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
We have begun BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao

[baseline bum]

So are you agreeing with my original assertion that never Trumpers had no intention of being objective? You seem to be defending the concept but not disagreeing with it.

The guy's campaign was born on Obama's birth certificate. That right there was enough to write him off as a worthless piece of shit. Still can't believe this fucker began his presidency lying about inauguration crowds and you guys defended that shit.

[ChumpDumper]

You guys never gave the cheating, grifting, money laundering, narcissistic conspiracy theorist a chance.

[Spurtacular]

Chumpettes were calling for impeachment before the man was even sworn in.
They're nutters.

[Spurtacular]

This thread shows that, no matter the outcome of the last 4 years, Trump was going to be a failure to the left. TDS is very real.

[baseline bum]

Minus COVID-19 Trump wins 2020 by landslide. His results can only be challenged on subjective social issues and personal demeanor while in office (aka not Presidential enough).


The fuck? :lol

Trump had shitty approval ratings before COVID thanks to his constant lies, his bait and switch on healthcare, his constant racism, his wildly unpopular tax plan, his ridiculous government shutdown, and so on. He probably would have been a slight favorite thanks to electoral college food stamps and lack of enthusiasm for Biden but LOL landslide. :lol

[Spurtacular]

How can you say he was an incompetent candidate when he won the primary? What record did he have for public office and policy? I didn't like him as a person, still don't, and I refused to vote for either of those clowns, but some of you have ridden the TDS train for 4 years and have never had any plans on doing anything else. It's easy to see why some on the right think there's a conspiracy to wreck the country just to get Trump out of office.

:lol Some?

Every single one of these fucking snowflakes :lmao

[ElNono]

I didn't like him as a person, still don't, and I refused to vote for either of those clowns, but some of you have ridden the TDS train for 4 years and have never had any plans on doing anything else. It's easy to see why some on the right think there's a conspiracy to wreck the country just to get Trump out of office.

What did you plan to do, since you allegedly don't like the guy either? What can anybody do? How is voicing your disapproval of this grifter 'wrecking the country'?

[DMC]

The guy's campaign was born on Obama's birth certificate. That right there was enough to write him off as a worthless piece of shit. Still can't believe this fucker began his presidency lying about inauguration crowds and you guys defended that shit.

You're avoiding the question.

[ElNono]

You're avoiding the question.

So are you, but, what was the question? The incompetent one?

[baseline bum]

You're avoiding the question.

I didn't avoid anything. Trump showed in 2011 he wasn't worth giving any benefit of the doubt to when his campaign was birthed on Obama not being US born.

[DMC]

What did you plan to do, since you allegedly don't like the guy either? What can anybody do? How is voicing your disapproval of this grifter 'wrecking the country'?

Voicing disapproval isn't wrecking the country. Wrecking the country is wrecking the country. Bus loads of people being brought in to do damage to cities under the guise of racial inequality protests, while many if not most of them are white kids. Again, some on the right feel this way, and because of the never-Trump narrative, it's reasonable to think so. I'm not saying I feel this way.

[ChumpDumper]

Not every day you see a tornado ride a fence.

[DMC]

This thread shows that, no matter the outcome of the last 4 years, Trump was going to be a failure to the left. TDS is very real.


I didn't avoid anything. Trump showed in 2011 he wasn't worth giving any benefit of the doubt to when his campaign was birthed on Obama not being US born.

So what are you disagreeing with, exactly? Are you saying that TDS isn't real or that it's a justified TDS?

[ChumpDumper]

Trump's failure is real.

[baseline bum]

So what are you disagreeing with, exactly? Are you saying that TDS isn't real or that it's a justified TDS?

I'm saying you have TDS thinking he's being treated unfairly.

[DMC]

Not every day you see a tornado ride a fence.

As much as you're on here I doubt you see much else.

[ChumpDumper]

As much as you're on here I doubt you see much else.DMC's white flag.

[DMC]

I'm saying you have TDS thinking he's being treated unfairly.

I didn't say he was treated unfairly. I said the mind was set that he was not going to be successful regardless the outcome of his presidency, not to many on the left.

[DMC]

DMC's white flag.

Yeah you really destroyed me with the tornado/fence comment.

[DMC]

Trump's failure is real.

Here you are again using the term "failure" that you refused to quantify when I asked you. What has he failed to do? What would have been a success had it done it differently?

[ElNono]

Voicing disapproval isn't wrecking the country. Wrecking the country is wrecking the country. Bus loads of people being brought in to do damage to cities under the guise of racial inequality protests, while many if not most of them are white kids. Again, some on the right feel this way, and because of the never-Trump narrative, it's reasonable to think so. I'm not saying I feel this way.

So what is the TDS you're accusing people here of having? Did they get bused to protest? And since when people can't protest?

There were protests in every administration I can remember. From Tea Pottys to Occupy Wall Street to now this thing. But now it's trying to wreck the country? That sounds like selective memory to me.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah you really destroyed me with the tornado/fence comment.Since you can't talk about anything but me, sure looks that way. It's not my fault your afraid to have a real take.

Other people see you people this way!

[baseline bum]

I didn't say he was treated unfairly. I said the mind was set that he was not going to be successful regardless the outcome of his presidency, not to many on the left.

If I saw a toddler trying to drive a car it would be pretty reasonable to expect he wouldn't be successful before letting him turn the key in the ignition.

[DMC]

You guys never gave the cheating, grifting, money laundering, narcissistic conspiracy theorist a chance.

Where are the convictions for any of these things you mentioned? Just like you asked for regarding Hillary, likely over a thousand times.

[ChumpDumper]

Where are the convictions for any of these things you mentioned?The money laundering fine for Trump's casino is a matter of record. Trump University. The Donald J. Trump Foundation, etc. All cases you can review if you choose.

Do you really think this guy isn't a grifter?

Let's see your actual opinion on Donald Trump.

[Spurminator]

I'm saying you have TDS thinking he's being treated unfairly.

:lol

DMC needs to validate himself by inventing reasons that others are unreasonable. He will spend hours a day defending an indefensibly terrible leader, and somehow it's those who think he's terrible that have a disorder.

It's basic childish ego-feeding contrarianism.

[DMC]

If I saw a toddler trying to drive a car it would be pretty reasonable to expect he wouldn't be successful before letting him turn the key in the ignition.

I get the concept, don't need analogies. It's called confirmation bias.

[ElNono]

Where are the convictions for any of these things you mentioned? Just like you asked for regarding Hillary, likely over a thousand times.

I'll give you the nod on this one (for now, anyways), but I also will tell you I don't even remember a politician that has so many felon 'friends' or felon employees/former-employees surrounding him.

[DMC]

:lol

DMC needs to validate himself by inventing reasons that others are unreasonable. He will spend hours a day defending an indefensibly terrible leader, and somehow it's those who think he's terrible that have a disorder.

:lol yeah it's about me.

[baseline bum]

I get the concept, don't need analogies. It's called confirmation bias.

Trump shitty businessman

Trump six bankruptcies

Trump conman

Trump liar

Trump racist

Therefore natural to expect Trump be shit president

[ElNono]

Minus COVID-19 Trump wins 2020 by landslide. His results can only be challenged on subjective social issues and personal demeanor while in office (aka not Presidential enough).

Which of these do you disagree with (From Whitehouse.gov)?


Almost 4 million jobs created since election.
More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
Under my Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. We are committed to VOCATIONAL education.
95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.
Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.
Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.
Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
Record number of regulations eliminated.
Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
My Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.
Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.
Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.
NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.
Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.
Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.
Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.
Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.
Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
We have begun BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.


There's actually plenty to disagree with the list above, as far as favoring America.

[DMC]

Since you can't talk about anything but me, sure looks that way. It's not my fault your afraid to have a real take.

Other people see you people this way!


:lol interjects in my conversation, says I talk about him.

[DMC]

There's actually plenty to disagree with the list above, as far as favoring America.

There's the list

[DMC]

Trump shitty businessman

Trump six bankruptcies

Trump conman

Trump liar

Trump racist

Therefore natural to expect Trump be shit president
I expected him to be a shit president. I cannot argue with his results though, minus the social shit and some stupid comments.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol interjects in my conversation, says I talk about him.

And you speak in 3rd person as if you have any friends here.
:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

I expected him to be a shit president. I cannot argue with his results though, minus the social shit and some stupid comments.You think he's a good president?

[ElNono]

I expected him to be a shit president. I cannot argue with his results though, minus the social shit and some stupid comments.

I wished him the best, tbh... tho it wasn't unexpected when he was absolutely terrible. Him being largely unpopular wasn't a surprise either, goes hand in hand with the job he's done.

[Blake]

Minus COVID-19 Trump wins 2020 by landslide. His results can only be challenged on subjective social issues and personal demeanor while in office (aka not Presidential enough).

Which of these do you disagree with (From Whitehouse.gov)?


Almost 4 million jobs created since election.
More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
Under my Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. We are committed to VOCATIONAL education.
95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.
Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.
Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.
Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
Record number of regulations eliminated.
Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
My Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.
Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.
Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.
NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.
Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.
Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.
Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.
Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.
Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
We have begun BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.


Lol Whitehouse.gov "facts"

[DMC]

I wished him the best, tbh... tho it wasn't unexpected when he was absolutely terrible. Him being largely unpopular wasn't a surprise either, goes hand in hand with the job he's done.

Did he fulfill his campaign promises or even try? Or did you simply think his campaign promises were shitty as well? I mean, if voters elect a guy and that guy does what he said he would do, that's what they wanted, regardless how unsavory the promises (that's on the voters as well). Do you think they got that?

[Blake]

Lol he is the best president in everyone’s lifetime that is alive now

Like you are the best writer and communicator this forum has ever seen

[DMC]

Lol Whitehouse.gov "facts"

Strawman from Blake, unusual. I never called them facts.

[DMC]

There's a lot of shuffling around and lashing out, but no one has actually taken the time to outline where he's failed and what would have been a success (based on his campaign, not based on your political leanings).

[ElNono]

Did he fulfill his campaign promises or even try? Or did you simply think his campaign promises were shitty as well? I mean, if voters elect a guy and that guy does what he said he would do, that's what they wanted, regardless how unsavory the promises (that's on the voters as well). Do you think they got that?

He largely did not, but, a lot of what he promised was impossible to do. So I understand people got conned, and he's certainly not the first to do so.

I would even argue the did the exact opposite of what he promised, at least on salient points, like healthcare, manufacturing and sticking it to his hedge fund buddies.